WEBVTT - Constance Zimmer 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.440 The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.920 It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:12.479 it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.840 on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.560 buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.439 see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.919 I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.160 you should at least know what's happening, and it is. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.200 The tour kicks off late September and goes through the 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.040 end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.000 the Craig Ferguson Show dot Com slash tour. They are 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.120 available at the Craig Ferguson show dot Com slash tour 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.800 or at your local outlet in your region. 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.800 My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:49.040 is Joy. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.080 I talk to interest in people about what brings them 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:59.960 happiness on the podcast today is one of my favorite 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.560 actresses in the world and also one of the best 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.119 people I've met in Hollywood. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:08.319 I know that's a low bar. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.039 But she's she really is a lovely person and very clever, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.559 and you'll know exactly what I'm. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.240 Talking about when I say it is Constance Zimmer. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.520 I think that the fact that you look exactly the 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.200 same as the last time I saw you, which has 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.399 gotta be seven years or something, Oh. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.080 My god, that's just terrifying that it's been saying. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.559 Well, what's terrifying is you look exactly the same, which 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:43.560 makes me think you're probably getting collagen or bat blood 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.600 injections or something. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.720 Or no, I wish I haven't done anything. I'm going 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.920 to try and hold out for as long as possible. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.480 Do whatever you're doing. It's working, That's what I'm saying. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.840 You look great. It's really it's really a thing. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.440 If I could just carry this light around with me 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:00.880 wherever I went, that would probably. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.560 Ah. The lighting is key, I mean beyond the age 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.280 of like thirty five, lighting is key. So when you 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.760 get to thirty five, you're going to have to start 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.959 thinking about all of that how I went into the 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:14.160 show business that you're still in. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:18.160 Mos I am. I'm hanging on by a thread though. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.440 I feel like, you know, the last four years have 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.840 been really fucking rough. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.440 It's really weird, right, I mean, I don't understand what 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.280 the fuck is going on with it at all. I've 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.400 been following this guy on Instagram, don't know if you 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:31.720 know me. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.119 I think he's handled his producer Patrick. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.480 I've heard, yeah, I've heard about it. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.560 Right, And he's fascinating because he's just like he's stayed 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.800 up on it all the time. It's like show business 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.840 isn't free fall basically the way that I understand it 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.680 and the way that I think because you're I mean, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.960 you're a lot younger than me, obviously, but we're kind. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.040 Of a lot a lot. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.800 Younger obviously, but we were running the same time with 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.560 like Sitcom in the nineties and like right up through 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.399 twenty fifty ish. Really yeah, and then it's just it's 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.720 in free fall because of no one knows what to do, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:11.640 right am I right? 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:13.239 Yes, you're right. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.200 I mean, look, I think COVID was one thing, right, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.040 and then I think the strike was another, and both strikes, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:26.120 writers strike, actors strike, right, like, everybody is scrambling to 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:30.600 make up for the lost time. And so I think 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.000 the lost time and the lack of money and the 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:39.960 reality that like streaming platforms were not bringing in money, 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.400 there was too many there's too many options. So there's 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.960 definitely is this word that everybody keeps using, and I'm 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:52.160 sorry to use it, but the whole constricting of the basis. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.120 I haven't even heard. That was the constricting thing. Like 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:55.320 everything's getting. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.880 Yeah, everything's small everything's getting smaller. So it's why like 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.360 companies are folding under companies. So like you have an 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.560 ABC signature which is now under Fox. You know, you 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:12.600 have everything is going back to like one place instead 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:18.320 of one place having ten options, right, And so with that, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.320 you have people getting fired, losing their jobs after thirty years. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:27.360 You have the lack of jobs for actors, writers, directors. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:31.479 Because the one statistic that I heard that made it 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.839 all make sense to me was at the beginning of 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:39.840 this year, like February March, normally there was like three 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:46.840 hundred things in production. Okay, three hundred, there were fifty geez. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.679 So if you look. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:54.400 At that, you go, oh, well, then there's no surprise 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.680 that all of us are in a free fall and wondering, well, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.839 how the fuck do we come back from that? Sorry, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.680 pardon my language. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.600 No, you could say fuck. In fact, I kind of 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.920 like it when you do. It makes me feel like 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.279 I'm talking to someone who has an authentic voice and 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.880 is in no way under the threat from the man. 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.760 I I wonder, have you started doing that, like like 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.560 what I'm doing now, Like I'm working for an evil 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:26.600 corporation called iHeart on this this podcast right now. But 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.320 you know, I'll probably get fired from that or they'll 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.960 fall apart or something like that. And have you started 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.320 doing a podcast or something there because everybody has to 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:36.880 do that now apparently. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.320 Well I'm so. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.800 I you know, I had a podcast in twenty eighteen, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.200 maybe twenty nineteen. Look, I don't even remember when the 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.720 fuck it was, but it was. I had it for 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.280 like a year, and it was I just I couldn't 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:53.680 take it. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.080 It was so much work. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.800 But it was the kind where we went into a 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.039 place and we brought people into was studio, and it 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.800 was a whole setup. It wasn't, you know, like from 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.760 a chair in your library, right, It. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:12.400 Wasn't how dare you? How dare you? No? I get it. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:12.680 I mean. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.840 It's It's an interesting thing though, because it feels to 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.480 me that the model that's beginning to emerge out of 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.120 the mist it reminds me of the late nineties early 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.400 two thousands independent film where you had to go and 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.719 find the money from. Like I remember going to the 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.520 can Film Festival over and over again and dealing with 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.279 horrible arms dealers on yachts out in the Bay trying 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.920 to get sell them the you know, the brattis Lavin 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.320 TV rights for another one hundred grand so you could 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.360 finance your movie and then you know, and there were 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.640 there were three places to shop in town for television, ABC, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:58.680 NBC and the other one CBS. I was there for 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.920 a long time forgot all of it, and Fox, and 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:06.800 that's it. But I think that I think it's probably 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.200 time to start thinking about starting your own studio. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.760 Sure, well, you know, I played a studio ahead on television, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:13.880 so that's crazy. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:15.640 I'm a great at it too. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.880 I kind of assume that I'm already in that position. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:19.720 Are you? 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.160 Did you write rebooting on Tarajia? You're going to do 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:23.480 it again? 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.440 Is that a thing? Or is a rumor? 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.440 They have been trying to reboot that show for years, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.520 and I'm not quite sure how you do it unless 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:39.480 you completely flip the narrative and you place it in 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:44.440 today's times and you make DANEA. Gordon the lead of 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.160 the show and you show how women are running the 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.840 industry and how the men are trying to get back 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.040 in and become relevant. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.680 Is what's happening. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.520 That's what I'd like to believe is happening. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.600 I mean, there's so many more females in charge and 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.120 be studios than ever before. That is true, definitely, they 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.640 were not that many when we were doing Entourage. So 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:19.040 but look, I mean, those characters are iconic, and you know, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.520 there's a whole new Entourage following because of streaming and 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.040 then putting out all of the seasons, you know, during COVID, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.040 and so there's a whole new generation of fans, which 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:33.440 has been crazy because that show is twenty years old. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.920 Shut up, is it really? Yes? 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.640 Yeah, that's really right doing the two things that age 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:46.120 you are at other people's kids and other people's TV shows. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:50.040 My god, I know, and I mean the show that 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.880 I that I and again I didn't just do it, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.400 but the show Unreal that I was on. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.720 That was a great show. By the way, I was 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.280 going to talk about that, because that really is a 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:00.880 great show. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:05.560 Well, you're very kind, but it's that is on Netflix now, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:12.280 right that show. We premiered that show ten years ago. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.319 Next year. Wow, and so I'm really excited. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.360 That's the one thing where I'm like, Wow, this is 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.560 amazing that you can have a show that is now 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.880 again an entire new audience, an entire new fan base 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:34.480 watching it. Except I'm constantly reminding people like, we dropped 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:39.160 that ten years ago, so I don't know how offensive 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.719 it's going to be today. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.640 I have that from Late Night because I stopped doing 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.120 Late Night ten years ago next month. Stopped doing it 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.560 ten years ago next month. And you know, people like 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.880 I have kids calling them stand up shows who are 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.679 like in their early twenties. Meant, when he's in there 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.000 watching online, they never saw it ever go out, and 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.360 they're like, how do you get away with saying that? 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.360 I said, I don't I said it. I said it 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.160 fifteen years ago. That's how I got away with saying it. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.559 It was like because the attitudes have changed so much. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.280 I mean, authorized, I think in particular probably suffers a 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.760 great deal from that because it was very much in 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.600 that kind of lad culture, wasn't it, And it kind 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.400 of like the zeitguy shifted hard in a different direction. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.120 It's kind of It's an odd thing though, because you 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.839 when I look back at some of this stuff I. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:38.520 Did in late night. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.520 I'm like, I don't know if I would do that now, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.000 But there was stuff that even in late night would 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.840 I would think, I'm not going to do that now. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.200 I mean, things change. I think that you can you 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:57.040 can overthink it. It's like when Friends came back on 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.160 on Netflix and people were like, you know, people loved it, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.960 but they had this whole kind of problem with certain 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.000 aspects of it, which I remember people have it at 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:09.840 the time as well. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.560 But let's like, I mean, this is the one thing 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:20.480 that I'm constantly trying to remember is that it shows 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.120 that we've progressed. It shows that we've changed, we've grown, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:31.679 and so we cannot fault anybody or anything about something 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.680 that was okay. You know twenty years ago that's not okay. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:39.719 Now Let's instead say, oh, this is great. We have 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.760 come this far and we've grown, and we know now 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.120 that this is not okay. So now from this point forward, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:46.960 you know, and there's still going to be people that 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.560 make mistakes today that in ten years time we're going 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.000 to say, oh, we thought that was okay, then now 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:53.840 it's not okay. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.240 I mean, it's cool. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.440 Also, it also comes and goes. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.440 I mean it changes that the people this kind of 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.000 the backlash thing about people saying, you know, is there 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.480 you can't have some you know, it's all too woke, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:07.400 and you go, well, it's not. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.600 It's not too bad to question yourself about what you do. 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.439 I think it's I think it's all right to question 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.240 yourself and go, is this I mean, I had this thing. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.520 Did you ever meet Peter Lasally who was my boss 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:18.120 and late night? 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.800 I'm sure I did because I did your show and 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.040 so yeah, I think I. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:23.640 Did you good. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:24.160 Yeah. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:24.480 Peter. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.960 Peter was he was like Johnny Carson's producer for thirty 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.000 five years, and he was and he produced Letterman and stuff, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.160 so he was like the guru of late night TV. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.280 And whenever I was, particularly early on, if I had 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.920 a kind of a particularly salty joke that I wanted 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.200 to do on the show, he would say, it's. 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.560 Not worth it. It's not worth it. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.199 There's always another joke, and you're just going to make 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.440 people mad and you're going to And I kind of 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:55.680 feel that way. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:57.240 Now. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.520 I heard are you familiar with a comedian called Anthony 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.400 jessel Nick? Yes, who I am a big fan of him. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.280 He says he does the most awful material, but he 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:13.200 does it in a very clever way. And he I 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.880 saw him discussing it and he said, he quoted Warhol 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.679 as like, are is what you get away with? And 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.960 he said, if you're not getting away with it, people 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.559 are angry at you, then you haven't done it properly. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.439 You know, you haven't managed to slip it in. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.559 You haven't managed to couch it in such a way 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.640 where you can say something awful or say something regrettable, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.120 or portray a character. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:35.680 Who actually talks like that. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.880 I mean, you know what, the characters that were in authorized, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.800 these guys exist, right, you know. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.560 I mean they're in Hollywood. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.960 They're probably less of them now, but but they are 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:50.480 still there. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:51.840 Oh no, they're still there. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:52.520 Yeah. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.160 I haven't been Hollywood in a while. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:14:00.360 Yeah. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.120 I mean, do you feel like like that at the time, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:04.640 because obviously not everyone is like you? 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.400 Guy, You're not Dana. You know, you're not you know, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.160 you don't run a reality show. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.680 You you know, Anthony Hopkins is not a serial killer 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.400 who eats people. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.120 I mean, you're playing a character. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.400 So at what point do you have to sanitize the 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:24.200 art to make it okay? For common sensibilities, even if 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.760 you're portraying someone who's not sympathetic or doesn't have sympathetic qualities. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.760 Yeah, you know, I think this has always been a discussion, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:38.600 especially now because as actors, we are paid to play 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.000 characters that aren't aren't. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.560 Like us, right, unless you are. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.760 I mean, you could look at Julia robertson Pretty Woman 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.040 and everyone would say, oh, no, but that's exactly who 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.560 she's like. She's not a prostitute, but she feels like 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.200 she has that similar personality. No, it's not, it's like 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.880 and so I think, you know, whenever people meet me one, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.400 they are always surprised that I'm nice, always surprised that 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.280 I'm not an evil bitch because those are the characters 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:15.840 I play on television, or they think that I actually 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:20.520 am a studio executive. And so I've always taken it 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:25.240 as a huge compliment because it makes me go, oh, well, 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.080 so you believed me so much that you thought I 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.600 was that person, that that person exists in real life. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:36.200 And obviously a lot of characters are based on real people. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.920 I mean, my character on Unreal was based on a 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:46.040 real person, right, right, And so it's constantly this there's 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.480 a problem now where actors are not allowed to portray 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.240 anything that they are not. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.040 Right, unless unless the character is Scottish. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.840 That doesn't matter, theller like anyone can. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.880 Just get an old chair, put a ball of whiskey on. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:08.440 It doesn't matter, fine, you know. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.880 And so I think I get it, and I understand it, 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:18.960 and I think, again, there's a balance, right, there's. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.200 Well maybe, but I also think that it's kind of 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:28.200 it's ridiculous. I mean, because everybody knows most people, I 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.720 would say under the age of four years old probably 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.200 have some kind of social media presence, right, so they 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.920 present some fake idea of themselves to the zeitgeist, you know, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.520 once a week, twice a week, twice a day, however 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.280 much they post their content, and you know, it's like 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.520 here's me and the beach or living my best life 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.360 and all that nobody, you know, it shows himself, you know, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.280 stubbed my toe, having a horrible time in a bad mood, 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:00.400 just snapped at the lady in the grocery store. Because 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.280 all of these things are human. I think of the 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.919 thing with Ellen DeGeneres who got like basically canceled for 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.840 not being apparently not being as I don't know Ellen DeGeneres, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.919 but not being as nice a person off camera as 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.360 she was on camera. I'm like, well, have you met 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.800 anyone who works into your business. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.560 Because it's right, it can happen all the time. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.720 I mean, and I know in one of your episodes 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.159 of your podcast, you were saying you were talking about 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:35.080 meeting your your heroes or meeting the people you know 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.320 that you've looked up to, and how sometimes you get 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:43.000 disappointed and that's really tough, and that's happened to all 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.399 of us. But again, I think it's because entertainers and artists, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:52.000 whether you're a writer, director, or actor, anything, everybody is 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:56.520 held up to a standard, whether you present as that 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:01.720 or not. And so you know, it's and I think 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.160 because of social media, there's. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.359 Another layer that everyone's adding. 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.920 You know, everyone's adding that like my life is amazing, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:14.440 and uh, it's it's tough, man, I can't. The whole 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.000 social media part of being a person in the public 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:23.000 eye is really daunting. And I think it's really hurting 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.440 a lot of people. And and and I also mean, 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.600 you know, the people who come up in social media 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.800 where it's their job, sure, you know, to be a 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.760 social media influencer, it's a lot. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.720 It's just a lot that we're all tearing. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:45.199 It's also it's kind of uh, it's relentless, it's unrealistic. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.080 And also it removes the role. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.919 Like when I was doing Late Night particularly, I use 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.960 this because I had one of the greatest. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.359 Producers that ever worked in television. 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.200 It was Peter Sally, and I had so many ideas 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.240 that he, as a producer, would say, you know, that's 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:05.440 maybe not such a great idea. And I didn't do 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.920 a thing that I thought this will be a thing. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.359 And I mean, I think that the role of the 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.919 producer a lot of time, particularly in the artistic sense, 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:21.040 was to perhaps temper the enthusiasm of the talent so 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.680 it was palatable, rather than just throwing it out there 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:26.280 on filter. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.480 But I feel like, because I. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.920 Wrestled with the social media thing as well, I don't 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.960 want to do it. I certainly don't want to scroll 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.240 through other people's stuff, but I feel like I'm duty 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.159 bound as a member of society, and particularly in the 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:44.040 business I'm into. Like people say you have to contact 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.600 your fans, and I don't. First of all, the idea 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.920 of having fans. I think that's sports teams have fans. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.639 I think, you know, performers have people who enjoy what 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.119 they do, right, maybe Taylor Swift has fans. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.320 I get it. But yeah, have you been to see 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:00.800 Taylor Swift a daughter? Right? 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:01.520 I do? 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.720 She's sixteen. But no, we didn't get into the whole swifty. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:06.280 Of it all. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.800 All right, just wonder if I mean I appreciate her. 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:14.280 I think that what she is doing for young women 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:20.000 is incredible. I'm but we never went to the concerts 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.520 and we didn't get into the whole brain size. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.080 I never connected with that either. But we'll see this 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.600 having listened, I mean, she's the real deal. She's a 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.239 dully parting level songwriter. I mean, she can really do 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.000 the job. And I think that that I kind of 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.960 love that at least someone who's that talented and clearly 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:43.920 that discipline then clearly works at it and tries and 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.760 puts the effort and it's held up as an example 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:50.560 rather than you know, I don't know someone who doesn't 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.280 try or it was just lucky, because I don't think 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:54.760 she's lucky. I think she was. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.320 Yeah, Oh no, she works her ass off. 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.800 I mean I think that's obvious, and yeah, it's it's 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.119 very impressive, especially when you're constantly reminded at how young 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.880 she is and how long she's been doing it, and 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.760 she still has an incredible head on her shoulders. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.439 So it's very impressive because you know what it's like. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.520 I mean, you've seen it, you've had it. I've had 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.920 it too. It's like you get a bit of fame 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.399 in it. It's it's weird what it does to your 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.080 head a lot. I was surprised that much fucked with 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.080 me a little bit because. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:27.520 How did it fuck with you? In what way? 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.280 I felt? I think I got paranoid. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.679 And I think what it was is not because people 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.440 were recognizing me all the time. It was because I 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.240 thought they were recognizing me all the time. So any 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.119 kind of like if you make eye contact with someone 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:49.120 randomly on public transport or in a coffee shop or 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.960 in a store and you're like, oh fuck, they they 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.080 know me, or they're going to come over, or that. 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.000 It just made me feel very strange. 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.960 And I find myself walking around whearing hat and not 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.320 quite a false s beard, but nearly a false spard 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.159 in a hat, and you know, maybe a home, you know, 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:12.320