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Speaker 1: all right? Coming up a little later on NFL Cornerback

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Speaker 1: Safety defensive Back, logan Ryan pretty Cool came to the studio,

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Speaker 1: sat for almost an hour where we talk about high

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Speaker 1: what it was like, getting drafted by Bill Belichick, the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings, getting Tom Brady to sign something, all

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Speaker 1: that coming up in a little bit. You can follow

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Speaker 1: Logan on Twitter at Real Logan Ryan. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to pass off that too quickly. We'll come back to it,

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Speaker 1: but we got to get right to it, Kevin, let's

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Speaker 1: do this before we get sad. I want to get

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Speaker 1: happy being a Celtics fan. Game six tagged me through

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Speaker 1: it because wow, what up then and down then up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a while since I felt like that

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Speaker 2: as a fan. And it went from the ultimate low

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Speaker 2: two point four seconds? And I haven't. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: it compares to the whole Malcolm Butler, not necessarily because

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Speaker 2: Butler actually won Super Bowl, so that's different. But from

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Speaker 2: being dang, we're gonna lose this, our season's over. Is

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Speaker 2: like marsh score touchdown here, Yeah, this is it. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Falcons being up twenty five a half. Man, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna lose this game. But I mean, snap of a finger,

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Speaker 2: everything changes and you're freaking out and you're jumping up

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Speaker 2: then you got to remind yourself the next day, you like,

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Speaker 2: dam we gotta win another one.

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Speaker 1: Whenever they watched back on the jumbo Tron because both

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, ah, so cool it was. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: It was so cool, and you know what, they're for

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Speaker 1: sure gonna win Game seven because Game seven is back

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Speaker 1: in Boston. And then when I started to read things

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Speaker 1: Miami after the game. They booked a flight to Denver.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even book a flight back to Florida. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: They've already booked a flight after Game seven to go

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Speaker 1: Game seven. You gotta feel good before the game starts,

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Speaker 1: at least, right, absolutely right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Better? But I will say, like I wasn't totally

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Speaker 1: They're an eight point favorite. I know.

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Speaker 2: That's how it was all serious except for one game.

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Speaker 1: Though, an eight point favorite. So it starts and Tatum

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Speaker 2: Not saying that's why they lost. Obviously they still should

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Speaker 2: have won. Jaden Brown is a whole different subject, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: first play kind of set the tone, and you could

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Speaker 1: Tatum also had I know, fourteen points, eleven rebounds. Eleven

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Speaker 1: And our offense was just so like stagnant. It's just

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Speaker 1: Wes Spaulstraw, he will throw a zone on you for

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Speaker 1: Freaking pat Riley retired. Spoilsh is like eleven, he gets

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Speaker 1: It's like it's basically Lebron's team.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, yeah, he's pretty damn good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Tatum forty two minutes, fourteen points, eleven rebounds, four assists.

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Speaker 1: Brown forty three minutes, nineteen points, eight rebounds, five assists.

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Speaker 1: But Tatum still played basically the whole game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jalen I think I had seven turnovers.

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Speaker 1: thirty six minutes, eighteen points, he wrote from last game

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Speaker 1: the key stats from the Heat. Butler twenty eight points,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the final score. I remember one point.

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Speaker 1: It was twenty points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was nineteen. It was I turned

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Speaker 1: Well. If I would have done that, I would have

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Speaker 2: Great come back, but then do you turn it back

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I sure do. Yeah. Martin had twenty

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that if it went seven and back

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody did.

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Speaker 1: They tried to hand Jimmy Butler the trophy for the

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Speaker 1: Eastern Conference. Is that the bird trophy? Or is the

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Speaker 1: other one the Lair bird Trophy? Yeah, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a bird one bird. And he was like, I want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think Kaylen Martin should have won it the MVP. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: he was so good, all serious.

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Speaker 1: He was, but he was so good in that, Yes

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Speaker 1: and you know, Butler consistently was really good. It had

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Speaker 1: they kept showing the club of last year. When he

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Speaker 1: like something i'll paraphrase, all right, we'll be bigger and

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, and the heroics of Jimmy Butler may be

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Speaker 1: lost if they don't win the title. If they win

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Speaker 1: the title, Jimmy Butler has elevated himself inside the consciousness

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Speaker 1: of even middle NBA fans. If you're just a casual

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Speaker 1: If you're a diehard, you've known. But if he wins

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Speaker 1: who Jimmy Butler is. But it's like Jokic too, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think even me as a basketball fan, I've

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Speaker 1: toying with Mount Mice whatever way you wanted to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm sorry I started Celtics, didnt went for you.

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Speaker 1: I was rooting for him, for you.

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Speaker 1: There is something something to say for you, though, in

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Speaker 1: the death of your Celtics again, is that you don't

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Speaker 1: really know a lot of defeat and you still don't.

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Speaker 1: You lost games ever of these comments finals, I don't

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for you. Just turn this crap off. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel sorry for you. You have teams that win

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Speaker 1: all the time, so screw it. I don't feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for you. But your losses are almost winning the championships.

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Speaker 1: My losses are finishing next to last in the SEC West,

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Speaker 1: two as a Cubs fan, or so, I ain't doing it.

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Speaker 1: You've won plenty of titles with the Patriots, the Celtics

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Speaker 1: glad you lost, now that I think about it. All right,

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Speaker 1: well we hit that first. Let's go to the tittle

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Speaker 2: Well, last night wasn't one of them. But what is

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Speaker 2: your most memorable Game seven of any sport?

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Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good question. Now, I mentioned the Cubs earlier.

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Speaker 1: ten eleven twelfth graders, but I didn't say anything because

431
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Speaker 1: I'm the freaking ninth grader and I didn't play as

432
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Speaker 1: a ninth grader. Yeah, when did you start playing? And

433
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,919
Speaker 1: when could you actually be a vocal leader in high school?

434
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Speaker 1: Because I'm imagining that you were far more athletic than

435
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Speaker 1: the other kids your age. Yeah.

436
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Speaker 3: So when I got to high school, I started varsity

437
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 3: basketball as a freshman, but I was on the freshman

438
00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 3: football team, so I led my little, you know, freshman

439
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 3: teammates on the freshman games, but I wasn't on varsity

440
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: and in basketball, I kind of was the point guard.

441
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 3: But I mean, these kids, my brother was four years

442
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 3: older than My brother was a senior and I was

443
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 3: a freshman, and I was playing with his friends, and

444
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 3: I felt really little compared to them, Like I was

445
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: like I didn't have a voice.

446
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Speaker 1: I just ran the place. You were playing as like

447
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old. Fifteen years old with eighteen year olds. Yeah,

448
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: that's it. You were. You as good as some of them.

449
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 1: I was definitely good enough to be on the court,

450
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: for sure. I wasn't.

451
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 3: I wasn't the best player at fourteen on our team. Yeah,

452
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 3: I knew that. But by you know, my sophomore junior year, Yeah, definitely,

453
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 3: so I kind of grew into it. I would say,

454
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 3: once that ball got in my hands and I realized

455
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 3: what we needed to win, and I wasn't afraid to

456
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 3: step up and demand that because I always wanted you know,

457
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 3: to win more than anything else.

458
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Speaker 1: I was watching The Redeemed Team on Netflix. I don't

459
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: know if you've seen it yet. It's about it's been

460
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,239
Speaker 1: out for about a year, but you know, the US

461
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 1: Olympic basketball team got a bronze and they were embarrassed

462
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: and they had to somehow get a new coach, get

463
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: the players to commit in because to a lot of

464
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 1: those guys, I would get that, being twenty two and

465
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: rich and you just got and now they want you

466
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: to go train for months, and I would get why

467
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: some of them wouldn't want to do that. I watched that.

468
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: I loved it. Oh wasn't it awesome? Yeah? Man, I

469
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: got a Kobe tattoo on me.

470
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Speaker 3: They had to bring Kobe in that, you know, they

471
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 3: had to bring Kobe in it to really win that.

472
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Speaker 1: And that was my point about leadership. And I always

473
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: understood and respect to Kobe because in my mind's probably

474
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: the third greatest player of all time, top three for sure.

475
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: And the fact that the guys were, like we were

476
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: in Vegas. We went to the club, we did what

477
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: we put in Kobe's their gloves on going to the

478
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: gym when they're coming in and all those guys slowly

479
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: started to do what Kobe was doing because he was

480
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: doing it and he was that leader. Yeah. So you

481
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Speaker 1: say you were vocal and by example, were you like

482
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Speaker 1: first one in, last one out type guy.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of picked up that because I was

484
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: never I was always like one of the best athletes,

485
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: but there was always like a more physical freak on

486
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 3: the team. Like I wasn't like raw out of bed

487
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 3: better than everybody. I was like more skilled because I

488
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: worked on it. And I remember my mom would pick

489
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: me up in high school every day after work. My

490
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: mom worked at nine to five, nine to four thirty,

491
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 3: and she would pick me up at like five o'clock

492
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: five pm, and we would get out of high school

493
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: at like two two thirty. So in football season, obviously

494
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: had practice and my mom would pick me up. But

495
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: out of football basketball season, the spring, I had two

496
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: and a half hours to kill. You know, I wasn't

497
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 3: taking a bus home, so I was just literally every

498
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 3: day Monday through Friday in the weight room, five days

499
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: a week, lifting for an hour or two, going out

500
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: to the field doing just drills that I made up.

501
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: And then eventually more people came out there and I

502
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: would put a ladder drills down to a drill to drills.

503
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Speaker 1: And I was like pretty much donning the drills.

504
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was pretty much coming out with drills

505
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: that I would see on I mean, shoot, don't even

506
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: know if YouTube was out back then, but whatever I was,

507
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: I was just finding drills and doing them and doing this,

508
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: and that was kind of leadership, right, Like I'm doing

509
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 3: these these off season workouts, but I just was like

510
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 3: waiting for my mom to pick me up.

511
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Speaker 1: Did you have a good relationship with the coaches? Because

512
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: it sounds like you love the game games we can

513
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: say games, and you also weren't afraid to put work in.

514
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: Were you the guy that they would lean on high

515
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: school and college to go all right? You got to

516
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: be the voice to those guys, be my voice to them, right, Yeah?

517
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Speaker 3: I think so, Especially playing the quarterback position and stuff.

518
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 3: I just think there's certain positions in sports where you

519
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 3: expect the leader there and I kind of was that.

520
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: So I think it happened naturally mainly because of the

521
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: position I played. But I do remember like my junior sophomore,

522
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: junior year when I kind of was stepping in the

523
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 3: role as varsity quarterback and stuff. I was not great

524
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: at pregame speeches, Like I didn't want to talk and

525
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: I felt like a senior should talk, you know, before

526
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: the game. Like I was silent, and I would always

527
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: get really nervous before games. Still do, Like I always

528
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 3: get like a little bit nervous and tense, and I

529
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: just was really really quiet. And I feel like that

530
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: developed more in the NFL in college of having the

531
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, taking public speaking classes and whatnot, just having

532
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 3: the confidence to go up in front of a room

533
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Speaker 3: of one hundred people and motivate them without feeling like,

534
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: you know, a clown or say something dumb or mess

535
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: it up, you know, be laughed at. And I just

536
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: think that came in older like giving actual the speech,

537
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: but actually just on the field, Yeah, when I'm playing

538
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: in between the lines, you had a leadership always came out.

539
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: Were you super educated on what was happening every game?

540
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: Put the time in the film room? Always? Was that

541
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: a priority? Or did you have to learn how to

542
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: did that later? I learned how to. I learned how

543
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: to do that later.

544
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: But growing up, my dad coached me when I was little,

545
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: uh maybe up till I don't know, ten eleven years old,

546
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: and every year, Like I said, I played, I played

547
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: offense and I played defense, so I didn't come off

548
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: the field. And I swear every year he made me

549
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: change positions. He's like, all right, well, last year receiver,

550
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 3: this year gonna play run out to learn. Yeah, and

551
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: then this year're gonna do this. And then we had

552
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: a really good team in like eighth grade, and we

553
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 3: went in literally we went like unscored upon, Like we

554
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: beat everybody thirty five to nothing and didn't give up

555
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: a point the entire season. And on that team, we

556
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: had like three NFL players in like six Division one

557
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: wrestlers out of like eleven starters.

558
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Speaker 1: Like none of us went to college for sports. So

559
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: it was a really good team.

560
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: But in the second half, my dad would make all

561
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: the skill players play O line and get the old

562
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: lineman the ball so that.

563
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: You know, we would block for them. Yeah, you know,

564
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: and I just felt like why are we doing this?

565
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: You know, But like I love my old lineman, you know,

566
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: I always treat them well, and I understood what it

567
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: was like to block. I played tight end, I played receiver,

568
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: I played running back, I played quarterback, I played corner,

569
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 3: I played safety, and really in the NFL really helped

570
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: my versatility because I learned the game from so many

571
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: different angles and even when I played defense in the NFL.

572
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: I think but from like a reverse quarterback perspective, like, Okay,

573
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: what is he reading? He's probably gonna throw this because

574
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: I'm showing him that.

575
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: It's like you're reverse engineering. Yeah what exactly you think

576
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: is about to happen? Yeah? Dang. So when you were

577
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: in high school you play quarterback? Did you were you

578
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: recruited as a quarterback?

579
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: So that was back before they wanted like, you know,

580
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: six foot black quarterbacks running around the NFL, Like that's

581
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: not the just the norm.

582
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: Now, did you feel like because you were six foot

583
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: black quarterback that was actually held against you? Well, they're

584
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: going to recruit you as an athlete.

585
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 3: So happens is like everybody like, like I would say,

586
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 3: half of you know, college football players probably played quarterback

587
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: when they were growing up because they're the best player

588
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: and they want the ball in their hands. But back then,

589
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: they was say you're going to be a receiver, or

590
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 3: you're gonna be a corner, or you're gonna be a safety.

591
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: So I knew like looking ahead, like yeah, IM probably

592
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: gonna end up being a corner and I played corner

593
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: as well, and I was ranked pretty high in New

594
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: Jersey for it, so I kind of knew already what

595
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: it was, but they did. You just didn't have the

596
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: opportunities division one to be like, oh, you're five eleven

597
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: and a half and you know you're a great athlete.

598
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: We're gonna make you play a different position, like quarterback

599
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: is for these type of guys. Six foot four, white,

600
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty five pound guys.

601
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: You know.

602
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: But now the NFL, as you see, has caught up

603
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: and Bryce Young, Yeah, Bryce Young is Kyler Murray's five nine, No,

604
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: these dudes. I I remember hosting the draft in Nashville

605
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: when they had the draft in Nashville a couple of

606
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: years ago, and I was actually working in media and

607
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: I was on the red carpet hosting these guys, and

608
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, Quinn Williams, lift the mic up and DJ

609
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf lift the mic way up, and like Kyler

610
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: Murray put the mic Like I'm like, this guy is little, I.

611
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: Mean little hands, little arms.

612
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's specially in his skill set and he

613
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: had to They never made him switch positions, but a

614
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of us.

615
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: They They were like, I don't know if you're gonna

616
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: go to Division one and play What star were you recruit?

617
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: I was a four star recruit, and what is life

618
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: like as a four star recruit? Gotta be pretty yoah man,

619
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, it's gonna be good.

620
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: So I was really a three star coming out and

621
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: for most of it, and then I think the ranking guy,

622
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: Rivals ranking guy comes to check out one of my

623
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: games my senior year, and I was already committed to Rutgers,

624
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: so I like had twenty five scholars.

625
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: And later safety or what at the time, were you

626
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: going to Rutgers to do? What? Though? I was going

627
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: to Rutgers to play corner.

628
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I was a number one corner in Stay in

629
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: New Jersey, and I was like one of the better quarterbacks,

630
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: but I was a number one at that position. Got

631
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: him and I was a three star committed to Rutgers

632
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: verbally and all that stuff. And then we play We

633
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: play an opening game and he comes to see our

634
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: game play and I get a pick six, like on

635
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: the first possession of the game and literally reverse engineering.

636
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: The coach told me, if you see the quarterback roll out,

637
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: you know it's going to be a hitch a rout

638
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: in front of you, a route behind you. Just bait

639
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 3: the route behind you, and any time they roll out

640
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: there on the same play. So the first play the game,

641
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: I see the rollout, I see the route behind me.

642
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: I act like I'm going to go get the route

643
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: behind me, and I just bait him. He throws around

644
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: in front of me eighty yard pick six to start

645
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: my senior year. And that night I got a four

646
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: star right being four star. So what happens Notre Dame

647
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: calls me, Miami calls me, Penn State.

648
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Calls from that that one star.

649
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: Oh, now he's this level of recruit and they're like, oh,

650
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: you don't want to go to Rutgers, come here, come there.

651
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: It's crazy that it wasn't some tape that it wasn't

652
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: like a library of tape on you that changed their mind.

653
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: It was literally a recruiting service. One guy who saw

654
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: one game.

655
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah and wow, and new colleges come. It's lazy. Recruiting

656
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: is lazy. What happens is a lot of states out

657
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: of state teams like Alabama is not going to come

658
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: to New Jersey unless one you're offered by your new

659
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: Jersey school.

660
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: So they're gonna let Rutgers do the work.

661
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: Once Rutgers does the work, all the other big Eiet

662
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: schools at the time, right, it was West Virginia, it

663
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: was whatever, They're like, Okay, this guy. Obviously Rutgers identified them.

664
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: So now your conference is going to start recruiting you,

665
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: and they start offering you. And then once your whole

666
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: conference offers you, and then you get that fourth star,

667
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: then you become a national recruit. Now coaches are jetting

668
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: to your field, your high school and landing on the

669
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: thing and trying to and that's why you see guys

670
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: flip recruitment. So I mean, now they're getting paid, but

671
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: they flip recruitment so much because one thing changed. Who

672
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: came that was cool, I would say, Greg Gianno, when

673
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Rutgers recruited me, they put out all the stops. He

674
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: landed a helicopter on a local hospital, and so he

675
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: flew a helicopter in to see me. I think Iowa

676
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: was super dope. Michigan State was cool. But Rutgers. I

677
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: mean they sent people to my grandmother's funeral. My grandmother

678
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: passed away. They had people at the fun in a

679
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: role they were work, They had a Bible in front

680
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: of my mom. They won a whole different angle at

681
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: my dad. I mean they were they were pulling every

682
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: stop like to to get me to stay.

683
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: I feel like if I was on a jury or

684
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: if I was being recruited, I just flip all the time.

685
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Oh, that's great, I'm here. Oh that's great. Guilty,

686
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, not guilty Michigan State. I feel like I'll

687
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: be doing that like crazy because I'm sure everybody's giving

688
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: you their best effort. They're showing you that. Like you know,

689
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Chris Rock talks about dating somebody knew and he's like,

690
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really meet me, you meet my

691
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: representative when you you know, it's the early version, but

692
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: it's the best version of the school in every way.

693
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: Like aren't they all just awesome? When you do that?

694
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: They they like really recruit your parents. I came from

695
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 3: a two parent background, super solid. My dad was a cop,

696
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: was a cop. My mom worked, like I said, a

697
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: nine to five, So they really had my parents on lock.

698
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: But looking back at I'm like, man, I should have

699
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: took that official visit to Hawaii. That's a great flight,

700
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: great trip, should have went out there. Maybe I should

701
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: have took that NLV. That would have been a fun,

702
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: little vague we.

703
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Should do on an official visit, like you Land. Yeah,

704
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: just a brief discris. I have no idea. You Land,

705
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: then what what happens? Who's who's there? What's the daylight?

706
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: So you Land, you'll be red carpeted, black car, picked up,

707
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: go to the school, all the coaches will be there, excited, balloons,

708
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: catered food. And then New York Rutgers. This whole pitch was,

709
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: we're gonna send you to New York. So you take

710
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: the train. In New York, they rent it out like

711
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: a Dave in Busters and like Times Square. So you're

712
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: in Times Square, You're like, gotta reunt it out David Busters.

713
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: You're playing games. They're talking like, yeah, you're gonna like

714
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: we have these mccordy twins and they're all right, but

715
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna come in and you're gonna play over them

716
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: and the like all this. But I knew they were

717
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: on their way out. I was gonna fill in the

718
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: next shoes. But they're like, yeah, they're okay. But Jason McCarty,

719
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: this guy, I mean, you can't even get an interception.

720
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: Look at me here, you had six interceptions last year.

721
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: We need you, right, So they tell you what you

722
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 3: want to hear. And then we got back on the

723
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: train of Rutgers and the coaches leave, and then you're

724
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: paired with a player.

725
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: So I didn't have the mccordy twins I had.

726
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: I had a kid that was actually on my little

727
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: league team that I told you about that we like

728
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: went undefeated or whatever. So I knew him since we

729
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: were kids. So he kind of hosted me, and that's

730
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: your host, and they gave me by why they gave

731
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: you him right, right, because we knew each other. So

732
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: then so then I got one of my best friends

733
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: already there and he's like whatever. And then they gave

734
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: your host like a hundred bucks and he's supposed to

735
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: take you to a party and take you and he

736
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: was like, look, man, I'm keeping fifty of these bucks,

737
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: like you got fifty you know. So and then you know,

738
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: they try to show you girls and try to give

739
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: you a good night and then but the worst part

740
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: is when you're when you're a host, you have practice

741
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: the next day. I'm like, I'm not partying with this

742
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: freaking sixty year old kid, seventeen year old kid all

743
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: night and I gotta wake up at seven am and

744
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: run sprints like I kept that hundred bucks.

745
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: I bet some people do though. I bet they go

746
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: hard and then go to I mean it's just so Yeah,

747
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: when you're younger, you can do it. Yeah, so you

748
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: when you get to Rutgers. Is the speed of the

749
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: game so much different going high school to college or

750
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: college to the pros? When does it adjust so much

751
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: that you're like, okay, hold on, let me get you straight.

752
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: I think the speed of the game because everyone comes

753
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: from different high school. You come from from country school

754
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: where I mean you got eight on eight football whatever

755
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: in the middle of Nevada or something. But I think

756
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: the speed of the game is a bigger difference. I

757
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: think the coaching was a bigger difference for me because

758
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: Greg Sean was such a tough coach for me, and

759
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't used to getting yelled at or just like

760
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: negativity shouting my way or getting cussed at like I

761
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: wasn't used to.

762
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, this is kind of hard environment for

763
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: to thrive in.

764
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: So I think that was the biggest shock for me,

765
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: the speed and just the coaching, because as soon as

766
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: you commit and day one practice stars, all that recruitings

767
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: out the window, like now I own, and it really

768
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: felt like military. I feel like like a military academy.

769
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: It was that strict in discipline at Rutgers with him,

770
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: and you know, well, then I went to the NFL.

771
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: I came from that academy mindset, so like the discipline

772
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: was there, no one could do anything I haven't done already,

773
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: like I've been through tougher workout. So now now it's

774
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: all about execution and just skill, like we need you

775
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: here at your job to do it and use way more.

776
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: It's way more efficient. The first time you go to

777
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: a college practice and it's actually full pads, what does

778
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: that feel like?

779
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: Oh my, I have so many stories man, the first

780
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: college practice. So practice is based on what they call periods,

781
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: and they blow the whistle in a period five minutes.

782
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: So a practice could be I don't want to stay

783
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: here and get butchered on math. But a practice could

784
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: be twenty periods you do the math, or fifteen periods

785
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: or twelve or twenty four whatever, two hour practice whatever.

786
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: Our first practice was thirty six periods. It was like

787
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: over three hours It was in middle of July in

788
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: New Jersey.

789
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: It was really hot and human on the field. I

790
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: had brand new cleats.

791
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: When I was getting blisters, they made everyone tape your

792
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: ankles mandatory have to tape. I never taped my ankles before,

793
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: so my ankles were stiff, my cleat's hurt. And then

794
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: Giano had a rule you weren't allowed to take your

795
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: helmet off at any point in the practice, so I

796
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: couldn't even take my helmet off to get water. So

797
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: I had to get water through my helmet. And I

798
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: just was so just equipment, uncomfortable, not used to practicing

799
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: that long. It just was all like all the little

800
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: things I guess that you're just supposed to ignore that

801
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 3: I got don't even bother me. Now they all bother

802
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: me so much. Like at first, it was a huge adjustment.

803
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: When you're eighteen, you're hitting twenty two to twenty three

804
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: year old dudes. I assume that's physically a lot more

805
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: taxing on you than seventeen hit and eighteen, you know

806
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: high school like it's young, it's an older kid versus men.

807
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Now it's a big jump. It's hard. If

808
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: you see guys that come in to college true freshmen

809
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: and dominate like that. That's tough because the physical aspect,

810
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: like these guys in college, you're lifting and running your

811
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: butt off like you are working. They're where ye had

812
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: nothing else to do. They're owning you. They work you.

813
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: So I came in one hundred and seventy five pounds.

814
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: I red shirted, so I was a number one corner

815
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: in the state, a four star going to Rutgers. That

816
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: wasn't the greatest school in that recruited me. So I'm

817
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 3: supposed to come in and be a savior type of thing,

818
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: replace the mccordy twins. And I red shirted like I

819
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: got crushed by all expectation pressure. And I came in

820
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy five pounds, and I was one

821
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety five pounds in less than a year.

822
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: I put on twenty pounds of muscle. I couldn't even

823
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: dunk a basketball anymore because you had put on so much,

824
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: so much weight. I wasn't used to carrying that weight.

825
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred and ninety four pounds at thirty two

826
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: years old. So in the last whatever fourteen to fifteen years,

827
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: I didn't gain one pounds, right, I just but I

828
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: put on twenty pounds in one year of muscle. I'm

829
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: squatting four hundred and fifty pounds. I'm power cleaning over

830
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: three hundred pounds, and that's what they want. Oh they

831
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: were lifting?

832
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And are your feelings hurt that you have to

833
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: red shirt? When did they tell you that? Or is

834
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: this something that that happens in game three when you

835
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: haven't played at all?

836
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 3: So I kind of like, I had like a little

837
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: back injury and just had a rough start to it,

838
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 3: and it kind of was like, Hey, you're either gonna

839
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: play special teams this year or we can red shirt you.

840
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, I'm like I'm not going

841
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: to waste a year just playing special team. So I

842
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: red shirted.

843
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: But he Giano used to red shirt like the entire

844
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: classes because he won an older team. So I think

845
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: out of our true freshman class we had twenty five commits,

846
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: twenty five guys on four rides and not counting walk ons,

847
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: I would say he probably played four or five guys

848
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 3: twenty of us red shirted. He just wanted to backload

849
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: the whole roster like that, right, So now a senior

850
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: class or fifty year seniors twenty three years old. So

851
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: that just was like if you weren't a super phenomenal

852
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: right away, he was, you're gonna red shirt?

853
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: What year did you leave college?

854
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: So I actually left as a red shirt junior, So

855
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 3: I left early. I got it together and I took off.

856
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: So I left. So your red shirt year than your

857
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: two years I red shirted.

858
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: I had a red shirt freshman sophomore. Then I left

859
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: after I almost left after a red shirt sophomore year,

860
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: but I left after my red shirt junior.

861
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: It was my fourth year. So you go, and you

862
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: I was reading some of your because it still exists,

863
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: the draft stuff or like this is his peak, this

864
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: is what we think his ceiling is. This is who

865
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: did you ever read that stuff back then? Too?

866
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: I don't, I mean I don't, I don't know what

867
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: they wrote about me, but I can probably could tell

868
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: you what it was.

869
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so, I mean, so they would they do

870
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: compare a certain player compare they're like at his ceiling,

871
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: not quite Palamalu, but you know, and they're doing it. Yeah,

872
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: So who did they compare you to? In college? Just

873
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: when you would talk to folks and they'd be like oh,

874
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: we get to kind of see you being this type

875
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: of player in the NFL.

876
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know if there was an exact like

877
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: ceiling comp that I knew in the NFL at the moment.

878
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: But my biggest thing is like I was super smart

879
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: and tough and productive, Like I had some of the

880
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: most productive stats, Like I was second in Biggie's history

881
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: in pass breakups, ahead of Devin mccordy, behind a Roll

882
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: ReBs By like a couple.

883
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: And do you think that's because of your athletic ability

884
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: or because you your instincts. Instincts and studying was so

885
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: good instincts and studying.

886
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 3: Once I figured out the game, I would say half

887
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: the time now in the NFL, I played plays over

888
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: players like I don't care, Like Julio's one of my

889
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: good friends.

890
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: I had to cover Julio in Super Bowl. I don't care,

891
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: it's Julio.

892
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: Julio only runs, Like can only run ten routes, and

893
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: once I figure out what they are, it can only

894
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: be three. So I'm gonna play these three routes right

895
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: based on situation and all that. So I'm paying the plays.

896
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, the quarterbacks got

897
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: thrown to a spot if I could figure out that

898
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: spot before you figure out this, or you know, cause

899
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 3: I don't know where you're going, I gotta do some mass.

900
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: So I always say I'm just playing high high stakes

901
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: blackjack out there.

902
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Being such a cerebral guy, because again, that's the story

903
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: on you too, is that you were able to almost

904
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: predict chess moves before the chess move happened. Do you

905
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: ever think about coaching?

906
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I get asked that a lot because

907
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: I definitely have. I have a memory where I almost

908
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: remember every game I playing in the place, and then

909
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: I think I do a decent job of explaining it

910
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: to the everyday person.

911
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: So that's why media is good in coaching.

912
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: I just don't like how many hours these coaches work,

913
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: Like it's very hard for a coach to have a

914
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: balance with any family life, Like they're.

915
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Home at midnight all year round.

916
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's a crazy profession that doesn't

917
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: have any balance work life balance.

918
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: So right now not attractive to you. Would you go

919
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: coach college or NFL if you had to, I.

920
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: Would coach NFL or college because I don't want to

921
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: recruit on the road when you're off time at a

922
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: seventeen year old high school telling him it's going to

923
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: be better than Devin mccordy. You know, it's just like

924
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: I don't feel like doing that. I'm too real with kids.

925
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, look, you're not good, but but we'll take you.

926
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: We'll probably make you good, but you're not. You know,

927
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: you got to earn everything here.

928
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: You're deciding to go, and you're gonna leave Rutgers are

929
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna go to the NFL, and they kind of have

930
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: you pegged, as you know, late second third round pick,

931
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: and do you kind of have an idea of what

932
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: team will take you in that resent like four or

933
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: five teams or does everybody just act like they like

934
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: you until they got to make that decision.

935
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I leave. I leave Rutgers. I got a

936
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: second They give you a draft grade if you want

937
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: to leave. Earlier gave me a second round draft grade.

938
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: So it's all going me depending like all my combine

939
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 3: but I wasn't a combine free who.

940
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Gave you that grade? By the way, I don't know

941
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: get the official you submitted to some dudes who are

942
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: sitting in a room. So you go the second round.

943
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: I think they have to protect you because they want

944
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: to keep kids in school, so they give you a

945
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 3: lower grade because they don't want kids coming out, right.

946
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: They don't want to say you're on the first round

947
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: if you come out and then you slide a sixth round.

948
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: And I really pissed. So they gave me a second

949
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: round grade based on production. That's like, at worst, I'm

950
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: going in the second round. That's that's good money. So

951
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: Rutgers is like, no, don't go, You'll be a first

952
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: round next year. I'm like, I'm going I go to

953
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: the second round, all right. I start training and I'm

954
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: like one of those athletes I like, I play. I

955
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: can play baseball, I could play ping pong like, I

956
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: could play pickleball, like I can fish, I could play basketball.

957
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm like an all around like a ball athlete. I

958
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: guess bowl I can bowl it over two hundred whatever.

959
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: There's guys that could literally not swing a baseball bat,

960
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: but they can jump forty four inches and stuff.

961
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm not like that. So I had very mediocre numbers

962
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: at the Combine.

963
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: And obviously I was a junior, so I didn't have

964
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl or all that stuff to have more

965
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: opportunity to be seen. So I kind of was like, oh,

966
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: this guy just kept every time I look, I just slipped.

967
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: Someone did something at something that I wasn't even at,

968
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: and I slipped.

969
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: You weren't doing anything to slip. No, just because you

970
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: weren't able to do certain things.

971
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you leave as a junior. There is no Senior Bowl,

972
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: there is no so right, so I'm okay, I'm a junior.

973
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: All I have is the NFL Combine. As soon as

974
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: I ran a four or five, it was like, oh,

975
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: this guy ran who this guy out of nowhere who

976
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: has no numbers ran a four to three. Let's because

977
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: they're kind of sell a story at the combine too, right,

978
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: They want the biggest athletic freaks there. So I kind

979
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: of slipped. I went to the third round, New England.

980
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: New England came to Rutgers, and Rutgers had a lot

981
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: of guys at the time coming out and Bill Belichick

982
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: and this is actually another I got all these Belichick

983
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: stories that just keep coming out. So when you're in college,

984
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: there's local pro days. So in New Jersey, right like

985
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 3: the Jets and the Giants can work out the local

986
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: guys on their own day, and guys from all those

987
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: colleges in New Jersey can go do a local pro

988
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: day for the Jets and the Giants. So Bill Belichick

989
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: decides that he wants to come do a visit with

990
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: me on the day of the Jets local pro day.

991
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to work out for the Jets.

992
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: The Patriots are coming to work me out privately, and

993
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 3: I think only two or three teams work me out privately.

994
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: Not only didn't invite.

995
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: Purpose for right right, not only did he invite me,

996
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 3: he invited about sixteen Rutgers players, so everybody, I mean,

997
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: I think we had seven guys get drafted that year.

998
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: We led the draft with players Me, Deron Harmon, Steve Bahrnis,

999
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: everybody that we had coming out. We had like eight

1000
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: guys on defense, eight guys on offense. So it was

1001
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: like a pretty much Patriot Pro Day the day that

1002
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the Jets Pro day. So Rex

1003
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: Ryan and Jets were pissed because none of the Rutgers

1004
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 3: players went to their pro day. They had like Mamath

1005
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: players go and it was like, well, Bill came in

1006
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: and said to do this, So I remember I did

1007
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: the thing with Bill, but I called Devon because Devon's

1008
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: one of my good friends and he was on the

1009
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: Patriots already, was their captain. So I said, I need

1010
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: all your drills. Give me all your warm up drills,

1011
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: give me all your dB drills. What do you guys

1012
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: do in a workout? So Devin sent me all their drills,

1013
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: and I've been practicing with the guys for a week

1014
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: because we knew what day this was coming. So our

1015
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: entire secondary was practicing these drills for a week. So

1016
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: when they come in, we crushed the workout. Then we

1017
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: go to the film room and I'm like, oh, this

1018
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: is what I do. I'm telling what the noseguard does.

1019
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm telling what all eleven players do on every defense.

1020
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: So I knew I impressed Bill and then he ends

1021
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: up drafting me in the third round. Deron Harmon, who

1022
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 3: was our free safety, in the third round as well,

1023
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: so we drafted four guys on Rutgers defense alone in

1024
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: that draft. But I had the drills from Devon a

1025
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: week prior and we were practicing for this workout.

1026
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: What's it like as a rookie going into the locker

1027
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: room of the NFL where you got thirty five year

1028
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: olds in there as well.

1029
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: Crazy it was again that's another adjustment again, and I

1030
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: just think you got to earn them with your play

1031
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: and just being a good rookie. I was singing songs,

1032
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: I was telling jokes. I remember I was playing really

1033
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: well in the preseason. I actually had a pick six

1034
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: against the Bucks who shianna want to be that coach.

1035
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: So I kind of got Schiano back with a pick

1036
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: six in the preseason. And because he didn't draft me

1037
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: in the second round, so I'm like, old coach, that

1038
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: passing on me.

1039
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: Dang, that had it hurt a little bit, like a

1040
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: I taking that personal.

1041
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little personal at the time. So

1042
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, don't draft me.

1043
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: That's fine. See what I do.

1044
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: So I uh, he actually drafted another corner as well,

1045
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: so I end up doing that.

1046
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: So I'm playing well.

1047
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: So I'm like kind of playing with the starters like

1048
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: when the season is about to start, like kind of

1049
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: like in there, very different than the started my college career.

1050
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: And I remember a keep to leeve was like and

1051
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: I think there's no more intimidating veteran you can have

1052
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: than a keep to leave as a rookie, and a

1053
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: key was like, yo, rookie, you gotta get his chicken

1054
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: wings before we.

1055
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Go in away game.

1056
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: On the flight, I'm like, I'm not getting no chicken wings.

1057
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: I'm like one of the starters, like get the other

1058
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: rookies a day. And he was like he looked at me,

1059
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: He's like, you're getting those chicken wings. And I just

1060
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: was like, I'm getting those chickens. So I ended up

1061
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: getting chicken wings before every road game. I had to

1062
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: go to Skipjacks across the street a Patriot place and

1063
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: get like three hundred chicken wings and in.

1064
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: A suit and bring buffalo wings in a suit.

1065
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 3: And not get any sauce on me and get pictured

1066
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: in the planes every like pregame picture of me in

1067
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: the plane. I had like big old bag of chicken

1068
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: wings for the entire secondary or whatever. And I did

1069
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: that for I did that for an entire year, and

1070
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: I ended up starting most of that year leaning the team,

1071
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: leaning the AFC and it I had five interceptions as

1072
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 3: a rookie.

1073
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: He's still getting wings even though you got fired.

1074
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Started AFC Championship, starting AFC Championship, had more picks than

1075
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: to leave that year, and uh yeah, I was getting

1076
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: chicken wings up to the AFC Championship, and I remember

1077
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: we were flying to the AFC Championship and Bill was like,

1078
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: let the players sit first clipt and some other organizations

1079
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: when you fly, the coaches sit first class and the

1080
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 3: players in the bat and that pisses the players off.

1081
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: But Bill's like, nah, the players, they run the show

1082
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: like they're in the first class. But there's only so

1083
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: many seats, so he doesn't do it on some yard

1084
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: he doesn't know who's playing. So I remember I was

1085
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: I got like a first class seat, and I'm like, yeah,

1086
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: like okay, I made it. And they had some guys

1087
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 3: that are ten year vets in economy pissed. I'm like, hey,

1088
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: like I'm playing better, Bill rewards, who's playing better?

1089
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: Who gets respect? Somebody who plays well or somebody's got

1090
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: a big deal.

1091
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 3: Who I always say play well because even when I

1092
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: signed some big deals. I signed two thirty million dollar

1093
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: contracts in my career, and I just I always felt

1094
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: like I got to show to the guys like I'm

1095
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: worth it, because nothing's worse than a guy who gets

1096
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: paid and doesn't work.

1097
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: And you're like, this is a guy we're paying.

1098
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: Like you're do you see that in locker rooms. Oh yeah,

1099
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: that's a lot of team's issues. They play guys they

1100
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: don't know their character. The money changes the guys, and

1101
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: now you have a big issue because not only is

1102
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: your paid player supposed to be your best player and

1103
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: hopefully your hardest worker like Tom Brady is, and these

1104
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: guys are, he's your least hardest worker and he's not

1105
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: even playing up to his own potentials. That really hurts

1106
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: your team. So you got to pay. You got to

1107
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: make sure that you reward the right guys. I'm a

1108
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: big booster.

1109
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: I do NILS with players, big Arkansas guy, and I

1110
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I've been able to

1111
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: observe is that some of these guys grew up like

1112
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: I did, no money, broke, but this is their first

1113
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: time to get some money in college, and it actually

1114
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: prepares them from when they get more money in the NFL.

1115
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: So it's not just straight culture shot going from nothing

1116
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: to everything. I feel like that's a real positive of

1117
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: the NIL is there's an adjustment period before you hit

1118
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: it real big. Your thoughts on that? I love that.

1119
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: I love that IL.

1120
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: It's I mean, I just like that the players are

1121
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: getting a piece of the pie. And I know it's

1122
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 3: kind of crazy to regulate, and I know a lot

1123
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: of players are making a lot.

1124
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: Of money at a young age. But I think what

1125
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: it also does.

1126
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: I think it can expose the family that's been waiting

1127
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: to do it anyway, so you might you know, when

1128
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: you've got a million dollars at twenty one, you got

1129
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: some uncles that have been waiting in the weeds. You

1130
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: know that now if you don't give them something now,

1131
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 3: they now they're mad at you. So maybe it exposes

1132
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: a little the family dynamic or the support dynamic a

1133
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 3: little earlier. So these kids be like, oh, okay, I

1134
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 3: really see who's got my back and not? You know,

1135
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: so I think a lot of guys stresses is dealing

1136
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: with family and how to hint, like you.

1137
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Can't help everybody and where where? Who do you owe

1138
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: what to? And what?

1139
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 3: Your aunt struggling, so you got to pay for her,

1140
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: and so and so had a hospitality, got to pay

1141
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: for that, and your mom needs this, and your dad

1142
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: needs that, and you're oh, by your brother's always been

1143
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: there with you, so he needs this. And then eventually

1144
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: it's like you tell them no one time, and then

1145
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: they get mad at you, you know, so you definitely

1146
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: need to work on that dynamic.

1147
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: Do they work with you guys on money when you

1148
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: go in like that? Because I know in the NBA

1149
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: they do these these class.

1150
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: They Yeah, we have a we have a we have

1151
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: like a rookie symposium, you know, but it's just it's generic,

1152
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like a class, it's a it's

1153
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 3: a one day, you know, four hour presentation. You watch

1154
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 3: the documentary about Going Broke, which was that you that

1155
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: thirty for thirty which was crazy, and see Antoine Jamison

1156
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: and then buying an apartment complexes and JaMarcus Russell, like buying

1157
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: an entire plane every seat.

1158
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: You know. I'm like, I wouldn't do that.

1159
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: But I don't know if that teaches you actually like

1160
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: what taxes are and like how to percentages? Yeah, Like

1161
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: I don't think guys like every draft pick is buying

1162
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: their mama house and somebody a car the first day

1163
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 3: and it's like, dude, you're making like maybe eight hundred

1164
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 3: thousand dollars this year after taxes, that's like five hundred.

1165
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: Now you bought a car and a house, Like, how

1166
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: are you even going to pay for your own rent?

1167
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Like there's not enough money to do that in day one,

1168
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: which I you know, for Nils. Again, I think it's

1169
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: great when you somebody make a few hundred thousand bucks

1170
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: because then when they make a million, they know half

1171
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: of it where it's going anyway. Yeah, you know. Yeah,

1172
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: So when you get to the NFL and you're playing

1173
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: with the Patriots and you're playing, well, I mean, you

1174
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: got the greatest player of all time Tom Brady there.

1175
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, does he just walk around and everybody just

1176
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: it's instant respect or is he one of the guys.

1177
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: He's he's one of the guys much as he could be,

1178
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: and he's just he's different. He was older than you know,

1179
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: older than a lot of us and all that stuff.

1180
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: But he is the most one of the most huge

1181
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 3: like humble people for high star power.

1182
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: Like like does he try to be involved with folks.

1183
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very authentic, He's very genuine. He's very engaging, engaging.

1184
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: I think his EQ is what got him so many

1185
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: Super Bowls. He really knows how to how to how

1186
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: to tap in with his teammates and get the best

1187
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: out of his teammates. Like sometimes you hear how Kobe

1188
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: didn't always rub right with his teammates, or Jordan didn't

1189
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: always rub right with his teammates or whatever. I think

1190
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: Tom has that same competitive passion and he knows when

1191
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: to do that, but he also knows when to love

1192
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: up on his teammates and maybe a little more Lebron esque.

1193
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think that like Tom has

1194
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: mastered I think that's the difference with him in a

1195
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: lot of these other quarterbacks. That's why he has seven

1196
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 3: and these other guys have one or two. Is how

1197
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 3: much like I'll tell quickly, like this story I've told

1198
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: a couple of times my first time ever meeting him.

1199
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: So I get drafted by the Patriots.

1200
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm walking in the hall, I kind of like see

1201
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: him like down the home, like, oh shit, I'm have

1202
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: the run into this guy, Like do I call him

1203
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: Tom Thomas, mister Brady? Like I had this guy's jersey

1204
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: growing up, right, So I'm like like clearing my throat

1205
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: and as I walk up to him outside of normal

1206
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: conversation range, like you know, you have like maybe a

1207
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: second to get ready for this conversation. He's like, oh, hey,

1208
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: you're Logan right. We're drafting a third round out of

1209
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: Rutgers and he's like, man, look i'm Tom quarterback. Here Like,

1210
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 3: if you need anything, my lockers are here. I'm always

1211
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: here early anything you need, like, just come to me

1212
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: and I'll do the best I can. He's like, trust me,

1213
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: I was a rookie. It's hard. Just put your head

1214
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: down and keep working. And I just thought that was

1215
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: so cool. Not only did take the awkward interaction out

1216
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: of me, but he made me feel he knew who

1217
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: I was, he knew where I was, school I came from.

1218
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: He made me feel important, and he said he was

1219
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: an open book for me. And when you're just the

1220
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: third round rookie out of Rutgers who's probably the fifty

1221
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: third best player on the team, I was like, dang,

1222
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: that's really cool. And I was like, yo, I want

1223
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: to be like that veteran One day. I might not

1224
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 3: be Tom Brady, but I want to be that guy

1225
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: that's not hazing and not like making it so hard.

1226
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: We need these guys, and I think Tom knows that

1227
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: he's going to need every one of his teammates.

1228
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: We only got a few minutes left too with you,

1229
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: but a couple questions. What if you said, hey, Tom,

1230
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: will you sign this, well, that football, anything, it could

1231
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: be anything. You're like, Tom, hey, thanks man, were you signed?

1232
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Like is that allowed on the locker room? Yeah? I

1233
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: got him. You didn't see I got him to sign

1234
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: his last I picked off his last. But that's the end.

1235
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: That's you already were established, oh early on. Yeah, and

1236
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: you're like, it's crazy.

1237
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you got to just draw

1238
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: the line there because everyone would do it, so certain

1239
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: guys when you're established.

1240
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: I think he does it, and charity he'll do it.

1241
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: But like just he would be there all day, Like

1242
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, you're that went viral when you had him

1243
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: sign the ball after you. And do you think part

1244
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: of that situation you approached that was because you alreadyknew

1245
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: him and played with him. Yeah. I knew him.

1246
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 3: We kind of grown together, our relationship of respect, and

1247
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know how much longer he was going to play.

1248
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: I was going to play whatever, So I kind of

1249
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: just snuck a bunch of stuff from the sign for

1250
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: family finally over these years, and then I kind of

1251
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: snuck the football in there.

1252
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: You still have the ball. I do have the ball. Yeah,

1253
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: what could you get? Forty thinks that's.

1254
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: What I want to know. I mean, let me know

1255
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 3: who's listening. I want to over have five hundred thousand.

1256
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: How do you still train? I get two questions, like,

1257
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: how do you still train with the intensity that you

1258
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: need to train with when you're waiting on that call

1259
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: instead of knowing who that call is going to be from.

1260
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: I did this during COVID. I was a free agent

1261
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 3: for a long time and I left Tennessee. I didn't

1262
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: sign with the New York Giants till week one of

1263
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: the season. So I was all the way through training

1264
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: camp and I got in there and I ended up

1265
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: leading the team and snaps played and tackles on stuff.

1266
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: So I've been through this. I think it's just it's discipline.

1267
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: I get up and get it done, period, doesn't matter

1268
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 3: who I'm playing for.

1269
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: I get up.

1270
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: I know, I know the work and what I need

1271
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: to do at this point in my career, and I

1272
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: get up and just get it done.

1273
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: You want to come here? I know some people here.

1274
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to come here? What the Titans?

1275
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, we want to come here? I know

1276
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: some people here. I don't know, Like where you want

1277
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: to go? Where do you see yourself fitting well? Who

1278
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: needs you.

1279
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: Man, I would love to be in Tampa because my

1280
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: family's there, you know. But if that's not the case,

1281
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: then I obviously want to play for a good organization,

1282
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: a cold tender that can get a guy to plug

1283
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: in and play and win championships.

1284
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: I gonna see, Yeah, we'll see what the record is

1285
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: during during the year. He wants to play for the Cowboys.

1286
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Any question for Logan?

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00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Logan, So like, growing up, who did you want

1288
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: to play for? Because I got four kids, three of

1289
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: them are pretty decent at sports, so I fought them

1290
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: all jerseys, like so they can take baby pictures with

1291
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: so the announcer can be like he's always been a

1292
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: forty nine fan.

1293
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: From the you know, So who did you want to play? Crazy?

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 3: I kept this hitting. I was a New York Giant,

1295
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 3: and I literally kept this hitting. But I grew up

1296
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: a diehard Philly fan because I'm from South Jersey and

1297
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: there's like no choice, all right, there's Cowboys fans there.

1298
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: They get like beat up daily fights. It's real rivalries

1299
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: up there. So I was I was an Eagles fan

1300
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: growing up. I grew up watching McNab years and and

1301
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: all those years.

1302
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: Brian Dawkins and all that. So I was big.

1303
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: So when the Phillies won the World Series in eight

1304
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: oh nine or whatever, like our teachers didn't.

1305
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: Show up to school, like there was no school. Everyone

1306
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: was at the parade. It's like that type of town.

1307
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: They were climbing the pole. Yeah, oh yeah, it's serious.

1308
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm a big animal guy. Tell me about Ryan's monthly

1309
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: rescue and your goal and what you've been able to

1310
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: do so far.

1311
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: Man, we were able to raise hundreds of thousands of

1312
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: dollars for animals throughout the years. I just love I

1313
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: was waiting, I was looking for my calls, and I

1314
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: love shelter animals. I have rescue dogs, my daughter foster's kittens.

1315
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: So we started a big animal foundation to raise money,

1316
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 3: awareness and just be a different face in that industry.

1317
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: You don't see young black guys like loving on pitbulls.

1318
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: You see a different type of stereotype. You don't see

1319
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 3: guys with kittens and stuff like that. So I've done

1320
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: a lot when Naturally Humane out here when I was

1321
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: still currently and we're just trying to promote adoption and

1322
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: give out grants and stuff for people that are, you know,

1323
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: struggling with animals and animals need help.

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00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: So I'm just an animal lover at r A r

1325
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: F dot com, which is r A r F and

1326
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: you find them on Facebook search for the Ryan Animal

1327
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: Rescue Foundation. We talked about a little bit before you

1328
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: got in here, but I really appreciate the time, man,

1329
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: I could just for three hours. So yeah, I hope

1330
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: you get picked up by a contender. I hope you

1331
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: still find your fulfillment for playing sports the next couple

1332
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: of years. Whatever makes you feel like you still got it.

1333
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: If you still got it, I hope you get But

1334
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: then when you're don dude, you're gonna kill it in

1335
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: this space.

1336
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I got peace. I'm proud of what I've done.

1337
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 3: So I'm just honestly, it's a financial decision at this point.

1338
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: I thankfully I had good team and support it where

1339
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: financially I made good decisions where I don't have to

1340
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: do that anymore. And my body is important to me.

1341
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 3: My time with my family's important to me. So I'm

1342
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: in the one making decisions now and waiting for the

1343
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: right opportunity with the right team. If that doesn't happen

1344
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: and we can do this more often, that's cool too.

1345
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1346
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying it. Yeah, pig Sue Man. I played Arkansas

1347
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 3: in college.

1348
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: You played against them. Yeah, we beat them. Two picks

1349
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: you had. That's how we cut Oh, I did Okay,

1350
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: we whispered to one guy called back. Yeah, probably get

1351
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: what was it like a clip or something. That's how

1352
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: you got it in the first place. I don't know what. Yeah,

1353
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: something I didn't do somebody else or else follow Logan.

1354
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: It's at Logan, Ryan, good luck this season. If it

1355
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: don't work out, let's go, let's get let's do something big.

1356
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys are awesome. Man, it was a

1357
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: big deal to be here, so I appreciate the opportunity.

1358
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: And that's crazy, all right, Logan Ryan, everybody, No, thanks

1359
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: to Logan Ryan. That's awesome. Really one of the coolest

1360
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: interviews we got to do. Yeah, just sit for an

1361
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: hour and talk with Logan about that stuff. Whatever you wanted.

1362
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Scotty Pippen says Michael Jordan was a horrible player before

1363
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: he got there. Statistically, says Lebron's going to be easily

1364
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: be the greatest statistical player of all time. Obviously, Scotty

1365
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: Pippen's still hurt by the last dance and how he's

1366
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: portrayed there. Now, what I did is I went back

1367
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: and looked. These are Jordan's stats without Pipping on the Bulls,

1368
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: thirty two points per game, six rebounds, five assists. But

1369
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: then with Pipping on the Bulls he had the same

1370
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: exact stat line. Yeah, in his two healthy seasons he

1371
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: was seventy eight and eighty six and one and six

1372
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So that's Jordan's record before Pipen gets there. Now,

1373
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: like we said, the points per game, the rebounds, assists,

1374
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: they were all basically the same. But with Pipping he

1375
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: was five ninety two and two thirty eight. Again not

1376
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: mister stats, Dang, that's such a difference. He was one

1377
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen and fifty one with six championships with Pippen.

1378
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: Now he was thirty one or twelve without Pipping in

1379
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: the final three p years. But by that point he

1380
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: had other great role players too. I can't get on

1381
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: pippin side and say Jordan was garbage, but I do

1382
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: think Scotty Pippen defensively was a beast and made Jordan's

1383
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: life a whole lot easier. I'm gonna fall to somewhere

1384
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of this. I think they needed each other,

1385
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: and the fact that Momadad are fighting makes me uncomfortable.

1386
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: I think Jordan gets all the credit, and I think

1387
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: Pippin should get a little bit of it, and he doesn't,

1388
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: and it probably hurts his feelings, And it hurts feelings

1389
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: when Jordan does the last dance and acts like Pippen

1390
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: was a cry baby Scotti. Pippen's career stats in seventeen

1391
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: seasons with the Bulls, Troilblazers and Rockets sixteen points a game,

1392
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: six or rebounds, five assists, older when he finally got

1393
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: paid because he didn't get paid, that documentary shows you

1394
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: he kind of got screwed financially. But older Pippin with

1395
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: the trail Blazers and Rockets wasn't the same. It wasn't

1396
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: prime pipping. They just need to admit they needed each other.

1397
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: But you can't have Michael Jordan and he needed anything.

1398
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: And Pip's already said Jordan's garbage. We know that's not

1399
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: true as well. I still think Lebron's best basketball player

1400
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: of all time. I still think it is, and I

1401
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: watch Michael Jordan a ton, but there's not been another

1402
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: Lebron that can do everything that he does with the

1403
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: size that he is, and he's also has a scoring record.

1404
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: You can hit me with rings, sure, but as we

1405
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: saw here, rings have a lot to do with who

1406
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: else is on your team, because Jordan was garbage until

1407
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: Pippin got there. I started to get on Pipping's side

1408
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: after saying that Quentin Tarantino once paid a strip or

1409
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: ten thousand bucks to liquor toes until they were prunes. Man,

1410
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: I said this disposable money, Like that's just like, you

1411
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: got so much money, you have access to everything. So

1412
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: what do you do? You have a foot fetish and

1413
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: you go lick some toes until they prune. Like how

1414
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: much spit is coming out of his mouth. It takes

1415
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: me a solid thirty five minutes in the bathtub to

1416
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: start pruning anything. And I'm sitting directly in water. Yeah,

1417
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean tongue in that, tongue in a toe.

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01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: A lot of work.

1419
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: God, dang, how's he gonna take He's licking toes for

1420
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: an hour. He had to be to some toe sucking though, too.

1421
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 1: It just can't be licking. I know this is liquing,

1422
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: but he's got to be doing some toe sucking with

1423
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: them in the bathtub of his mouth.

1424
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: He's getting juicy in there.

1425
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like he's. Guys got to be holding him

1426
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: in his mouth bathtub because otherwise that ain't pruning. A

1427
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: former stroke club manager in Hollywood is Quentin Tarantino. Once

1428
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: came in and asked for a VIP room and a girl,

1429
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: and then he pursued a liquorr feet and suck her

1430
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: toes until they look like prunes, and he gave her

1431
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. After thirty minutes, the guy says her

1432
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: feet looked like prunes. Quentin gave her ten grand. You know, hmm,

1433
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: it's tough. I'm thinking about it. If I would take

1434
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: ten grand to have my toes sucked by Quentin Tarantino, Yeah,

1435
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I do for ten grand. Well, yeah, but

1436
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: you like movies.

1437
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna.

1438
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: Get to ask him any questions about directing Mike. Oh,

1439
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: even if I don't have to ask one single question,

1440
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: I would do it for ten grand. I'm okay right now,

1441
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: or I don't. I would do it for ten grand.

1442
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: You're not the one doing it, You're the I mean.

1443
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm taking it. Yeah, yeah, I'm still probably not gonna

1444
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: Oh no, you gonna do that? No, one hundred grand

1445
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: I think we're talking ten Probably not you weird o

1446
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino sucking on your toes?

1447
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Grand, probably not, no, maybe, Okay, all right.

1448
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: Look that's it. Let's go around the room here. Final thoughts,

1449
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Kevin will get yours every week, go ahead.

1450
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted mentally physically from being a fan

1451
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: this series. Last two weeks is just from the ultimate

1452
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: highs to the ultimate lows from it, whether it's a

1453
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: shot or a game or the series. And I'm just exhausted,

1454
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: and I feel like I need to have a few

1455
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: days to recoup before I get toast sucked.

1456
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you get mister Tarantino on the phone.

1457
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: So I'm happy the series is over because I'm exhausted.

1458
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: Our camera guy Reid read what's up? What's going on?

1459
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: So I am leaving tomorrow actually to go to the UK.

1460
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to Kentucky. He's gonna watch Kentucky basketball, that's it.

1461
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to London and in Scotland and it's gonna

1462
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: be fun.

1463
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: I have not packed whatsoever, so I need to do

1464
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: a lot of preparation Also, I didn't even know they

1465
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: had different plugs there, did they do? Yeah, So you

1466
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 1: can get this up at the airport. Okay, that's probably

1467
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: the best place because you can go to a gas

1468
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: station too. But it's like finding an extension cord at

1469
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: a gas station here, Like you got to find the

1470
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: right kind of gas station you have an extension cord,

1471
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: like country gas stations have extension cords. But I would

1472
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: just get a couple of those at the airport or one.

1473
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: It just spends how many thing's gonna plug in. Yeah.

1474
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: I went to Utah over the weekend and watched Utah

1475
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: softball when they're super regional, and be honest with you,

1476
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: pretty freaking cool. My brother in law, the assistant head

1477
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: coach there, but he's really gone in there, in my opinion,

1478
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: totally flipped that program. And they're gonna be in Oklahoma

1479
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: City playing the College World Series, first time that team's

1480
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: ever made it, or at least since ninety four, So

1481
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: first time since ninety four. So this coaching the head

1482
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: coach there has never been until now, and they had

1483
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: never hosted a Super Regional. And so that's where I'll

1484
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: be this weekend is in Oklahoma City watching women's softball.

1485
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this, the environment in a stadium

1486
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: is so much more fun than a college baseball game.

1487
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: And I love college baseball in Arkansas's in a regional

1488
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: but you know, dude, they gotta be cool. And you

1489
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: take the energy from the players and they're all like yelling, singing,

1490
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: doing cheer. I mean, it's definitely, as they say, a

1491
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: vibe in a college softball stadium. I mean, people, it's NonStop.

1492
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's music. I mean, it's just so much

1493
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: more active than a baseball game. And I love baseball,

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Speaker 1: love college baseball, and I'll be rooting for Arkansas, probably going,

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Speaker 1: but I'm telling you, if you have to go to

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Speaker 1: one of a team, you don't know, man, college softball

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Speaker 1: is so much more fun just to be at the game.

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Speaker 1: I never thought i'd say it, but I have to

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Speaker 1: say it. That's it. I hope you guys have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of the day. I don't know if we'll

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Speaker 1: be back this week or not, but if we will,

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Speaker 1: we'll be up on the twenty five whistles feed only.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we don't know what we're doing. We

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Speaker 1: don't know when we'll be back, but I assume it'll

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Speaker 1: be sometime soon. We'll probably talk about the finals if

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Speaker 1: something crazy happens. But we're not under a schedule. We're

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Speaker 1: under our own rule. Now, thank you, I'll blow the whistle.

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Speaker 1: We'll get out of here until next time. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys. The theme song written by Bobby Bones and

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Speaker 1: performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon

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Speaker 1: Ray Music. Thanks to our crew, segment producer at Kickoff Kevin,

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Speaker 1: video producer at reed Yarberry, and executive producer at Mike Diestro.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, thank you for listening to Bobby Bones. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next week.