WEBVTT - What If?! Sliding Doors and Second Chances 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:08.200 Hey everyone, I'm Wilmer about the Rama. This is Freddy Rodriguez. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:09.800 Welcome to those amigos. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:11.240 Wimer, how are you man. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.200 I'm good, I'm good. What are you sipping on? 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.919 I am sipping on the coffee that you made me upstairs. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.320 By the way, everybody, Wilmer has an incredibly fancy coffee 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.360 machine upstairs, and he's quite the barista. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.319 I take my coffee ritual moist setios, as we say 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.000 in latinosos. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:31.360 I don't know if you can see that right there. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.160 I mean he has a he has a like that's 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:34.159 like a Starbucks quaes. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.199 It's about the tone too, And you want to a disarming. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.479 Brown, ah, disarming brown. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.600 You want the coffee to be a disarming brown. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.960 You should pitch that color to like bear paints and 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:46.640 in the arming brown. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.280 About the Rama cafe, dis army in brown is a 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:50.960 medium roast. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.200 We make it. We make it disarming brown. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.440 This army and brown coffee. And what does that mean? 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.840 It means like it invites you. And once you go 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.440 to half a cup, it's too late. It's too late, 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.559 full anxiety with the kefin You've. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.560 Been disarmed from the beginning, so now too late. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.319 Like we've been seduced by the by the disarming brown. Yes. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.440 So this is our new collection of ep U eplur 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.840 of us unum, which means out of many one. It's 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.760 actually really exciting. It's our it's our fitness apparel brand 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.039 that has an impact program. The impact program is actually 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.399 taking out. We have tons of missions throughout the year 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.319 has been really beautiful. So we have a partnership with 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:37.560 a company that has this beautiful vintage frames and we 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:44.120 are honoring those vintage frames with graphics that you know 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.120 that really reflect on certain times of war. You know. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.880 So this seal here, I think this is the seal 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.160 the ceo you know, is balancing a bomb, right, but 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.360 these this ceo was technically in the nose of one 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.480 of these planes that will go into missions and war zones. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.160 So this was kind of like you know how the 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.600 you know sometimes they have like the pin up girl 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.880 that the side of plane. You know, these were also 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.800 part of that kind of culture of putting certain graphics 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.320 on aircraft's helicopters and things like that. So we're embracing 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.919 that and making it part of the brand. It's really fun. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.880 It's just really cool, and you know, if you want 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:26.280 to know more APU EPU HQ as in headquarters EPU 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.560 HQ dot com. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:28.480 Did you design it? 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.320 Yeah, we had a whole team that kind of brought 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.840 the sentiment and we're all started going to spit balling things. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.200 But our team, a graphics team just aist it, you know, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.919 like we were like what if, what if? And then 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.520 they just pitched this thing and and it's really great. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.840 And then also we have a handful of arrows to 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.160 you know the meaning of the handful of arrows. So 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.200 if you have if you grab a bunch of arrows, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.480 you know, together and you try to break them as impossible, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.320 So a number of arrows coming together, you know, becoming 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.160 an unbreakable you know task. So it's an unbreakable bond. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.720 And the idea is that out of many arrows, you know, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.880 one invincible approach type of things. So it's become kind 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.079 of like a new tag and our new our new 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.440 tag in the back of the sweatist was pretty cool. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.919 It looks like a cool sweatshirt that you would buy 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.280 like it, Fred Siegel. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.120 Yeah, kind of right, And it feels like that it 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.959 feels like that's not going to be as expensive. Guys, 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:29.720 you know, it's definitely a lot more affordable. We wanted 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.440 to make this approbable that the point is that this 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.240 brand also fuels the impact program good like the ideas 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.080 as a private company who is pledging, you know, it's 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.680 it's profit to to also you know, to also fund 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.240 the change in the mission, the missions and the agendas. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.640 But anyways, enough about me. Yeah, so today's episode, we're 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.680 very excited about Leo, our lead producer of those amigos, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.640 had a really good idea. But we're coming back to fundamentals. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.080 We had a streak of amazing guess you know, some 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.120 really great friends of ours with a lot of reflection 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.040 on our stuff. I hope all of you guys also have 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.640 taken some from those episodes as well. I know we 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.320 definitely walked away with a great deal of appreciation for 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.400 not only our friends, but like you know, the sentiment 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.080 of starting from scratch and ya and you know their stories, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.760 so so you know, we find the relativity in theres 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.240 and in hours, right, So so that was really cool. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.840 But he had this cool idea and this episode is 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.440 called what If? What If? What if? Everything that happened 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.200 or those little moments at the beginning of our lives 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.320 and or the moments where we decided we were going 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.320 to be what we are now? What if those moments 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.000 never happened? What is the road? What would have been? 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:40.880 And I don't want to call it a plant, plant 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.360 B or a plant C, but like what what would 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.160 your life would have been if I don't know, if 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.159 you had an auditioned for that play, if you hadn't 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.520 gone into that gotten into the the theater group, or 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.159 you know, same thing, like if I had audition for 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.680 this regional Yellow Pages commercial in California, Like, uh, you 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:01.159 know what? 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:01.599 What? What? 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.040 You know? What would have happened if I never got 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.840 to audition again? Like what what would that path be? 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.200 Yeah? Or what if? Like like what what? What was 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.000 your earliest what if? Experience? Like did you ever have 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.840 like a like a near death experience? 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:17.400 Like yeah, what if? 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.040 What if that would have happened? Right? I mean, what 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.000 was your earliest what if experience? 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.440 It wasn't so much a death experience for me, but 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.320 it could have been a really bad experience for my sister. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.599 We were at a at a finca, which is you know, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.240 our Spanish word for for farm. We had a we 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.040 had a little ranch, a little farm in the middle 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.320 of Venezuela, four hours south of you know, Venezuela, and 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.039 we had horses, and you know, I was to think 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.039 about maybe eight years old or something like that, and 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.479 I was my sister was on this horse, and I 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.960 was pulling this horse, and while I was walking, I 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.440 kind of slowed down, and all of a sudden, the 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.880 horse's head came here and he opened his mouth and 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.480 I saw his teeth at the corner my eye, and 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.560 he scared me because I thought he was trying to 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.280 bite me or something. And I screamed and I just 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.479 like started and then the horse got spooked with my 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:17.080 sister on it and took off. Oh wow, and I froze, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.080 like I didn't know what to do in that moment. 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:20.440 How old are you? 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.360 I was about eight, I think eight or nine years old. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:28.520 And then another lady that was like probably ten yards 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:33.159 in front of me, you know, thought quickly and went 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.279 and put her foot down on the reins and the 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:40.520 realms the reins, and slowed down the horse, and all 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.920 of a sudden it stopped him from like going into 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.760 the savannah and just like running aimlessly with my sister 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:50.400 on it. And in that moment, I felt such great 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.480 deal of killed, you know, Like I was just like, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.800 what if she would have fallen off? What if she 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.560 would have broken a leg or her back or neck 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.159 like what, you know, like all these things, you know, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.359 And I just became incredibly protective of my sister and like, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.040 get out of get down from there, get down there, 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.920 don't do that, don't run that fast like you know. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.200 So like that really kind of marked me. But but 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.320 it would have changed the trajectory of my life. I 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.320 don't know if I would have had the confidence I 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:18.680 have now. I don't know, you know what I mean, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.760 Like I think about how what what if all of 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.600 a sudden, you like, I couldn't even protect my sister, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.560 could I have my own kids? You know what I mean? 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.560 Like maybe turns into that you never know, but I 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.800 guess this was one of those moments where I told 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.160 close to something really bad happening. The other one was, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:35.840 you know, and I wrote about it in my book 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:41.200 An American Story Everyone's Invited. It was we were in 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.920 a private plane and you know, oxygen stopped going into 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.880 the cabin and uh, and we had to do an 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.360 emergency landing. In that moment was like what what if 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.040 that would have been it? Right? You know, would I 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:58.880 still get a movie, a VH one movie, you know? Yeah, 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.360 you know, back to do those those really low budget 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.320 into my movies, A biopigs about some. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:18.360 Oh yeah, I do remember that. Wow, that's crazy. I've 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.840 had a few of those too. Man. I remember one time, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.760 and he probably doesn't remember this. I was in high school. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.480 It was my senior year of high school. And I 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:31.440 grew up in Chicago. Uh and unfortunately sometimes Chicago is 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.120 the murder capital of the United States, right, And I 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:38.400 grew up in that kind of environment, and I had 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.880 this really vivid dream that I got shot. I mean 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.960 I'm talking about like vivid where I could like feel 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.640 like the blast going through my chest and blood coming 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.920 down and everything. And I woke up from the dream 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.000 and I couldn't speak. And remember back then when you 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.559 would have somebody on speed dial, and I had my 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.000 wife out on speed dial. We were dating, and I 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.280 speed dialed her but I couldn't speak, and she knew 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.440 that something was wrong and she talked me down. But 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.559 the next day I went to school and I had 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.760 this premonition that something was gonna happen. I just knew it. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.640 I just knew something. Y. Yeah, it was too real. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.719 It was like God was warning me, you know. And 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.800 so this was back when I was a store sort 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.640 of heavily involved in the hip hop scene, and we 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.080 had heard that Common was having a show on the 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.679 South Side of Chicago and I live on the Northwest Side, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.880 and I was like, oh, man, I said, I don't 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.880 feel good about going to the South Side. And they 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.520 were like, come on, man, We're gonna go hang out 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.880 with Common, and I was like, nah, I feel bad 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:43.960 about it, you know. And so I got convinced to 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.800 go to the South Side of Chicago. And we're waiting 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.280 for Common and a bunch of people outside of this club, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.679 and because I was so hyper aware, I noticed that 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.080 these two guys were getting into a fight on the sidewalk. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.160 And after they got into a fight, one guy jumped 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.720 into his truck started to take off. The other guy 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.080 picked up a brick and threw it at the truck, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.960 and the guy got mad and went to the end 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.680 of the block, turned around and came barreling down the 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.800 sidewalk in his truck. And because I was so hyper 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.839 aware of that dream, I saw the truck coming a 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.000 mile away and my best friend Marco had his back 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:23.920 turned to the truck, and I grabbed him and I 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.600 threw him out of the way and we got out 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.840 of the way. So what if I didn't have that dream, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.280 we probably would have still went to the south side, 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.360 and I wouldn't have been aware, and we probably both 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.120 would have gotten run over. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.600 Yeah, I mean in that's it. I mean, even if 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.079 you had survived, Like, why would have your lafe been? Yeah? 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.120 You know, yeah, man, I also think what if, Like, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.760 you know, my wife Elsie was pregnant when I was 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:47.680 nineteen years old, you. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:48.000 Know, I was. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:54.760 A young man, and what if she would have gotten 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.200 an abortion? What if? Right she if she would have 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.840 even gotten pregnant? You know, uh, you know, this December 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.520 of the thirty years of marriage for me, and I've 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:09.439 had such a wonderful relationship with her in a wonderful marriage, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:09.960 and and what. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.400 Would have doneationship? 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.920 Yeah? Yeah, She's kept me so incredibly grounded in this business, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.559 I feel, and it saved me, I think inadvertently from 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.280 like the traps that that this structure is very easily 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.360 for us to fall into. And so like what if, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:26.840 what if? 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.680 You know, you know, and and also celebrating the different 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:35.079 versions they never were about ourselves. You know, those examples 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:39.800 were examples that definitely feel I mean feel like just 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:40.760 rude awakenings. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:40.960 You know. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.160 Yeah, there was also times in our lives where we 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.640 were delusional, but like I'll be okay dying now. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.000 Right, like you know what I mean, James Dean, Yeah, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:54.800 leave a good looking corpse. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.000 Well do you know That's the thing that I reflect 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.640 is I went on a US SOL tour and I 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.400 was flying over a bag that I think it was 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.640 back then. We was I forget what it was. When 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.040 we were on our way to Iraq and we were 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.040 funding in Offspry you know, in Ofspry for those who 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.720 don't know, as a military aircraft that kind of takes 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.520 off like a helicopter in midair that you know, the 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.160 the wings start tilting forward and then the jets pick 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.240 up and then it shoots from midair and he becomes 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.840 a plane. Uh and the back is you know open, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:29.640 and he has a you know, fifty cow on the 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.200 side and all that. And we were going in from 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.360 you know, with those we were going from base to 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.280 base where we were in the Middle East, you know, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:42.760 entertaining the troops and as we were flying over, I 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.880 looked throughout the back and the flares shut out right 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.640 and what that when that does? It looks like fireworks 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.880 right to the back of the plane. And I was like, oh, interested. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:56.240 I didn't think much of it. Then we did a 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.439 comeback landing into the base that we're supposed to come 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.520 in and bring entertainment through the years, and one of 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.480 the colonels uh, looks up to me. It looks up 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.200 and he goes because that was crazy, huh. And I 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.199 was like, we got locked down by a missile. And 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.680 I was like, excuse me, we got what because we 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.280 got locked down by a missile? And I was like, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.920 what you we don't worries. They never hit anything. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:18.560 I'm sorry you got what. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.480 We got locked on by a missile. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.880 No. So the flares that you thought were just flares, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.360 it was it was it was it was too vade 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.160 a missile that that was locked on to the thing 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:29.800 and whoa. 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.000 And I was like, wait, what do you mean, like, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.880 you go locked don't worry they never hit anything. Yeah, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.040 And I'm like, they never hit anything. It made me 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.480 think in that moment, I'm like, hm, let's see I 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.200 would have died on this plane right now, the Middle 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:50.680 East military aircraft twenty seven years old, twenty eight years old. Maybe, yeah, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:56.280 I'm like, I get my VH one movie. I get 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.120 me H one. Sure that's what I thought. But you know, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.720 like looking back at that, yeah, bro, like I would 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.319 have been so sad if we didn't have our kids. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.040 Yeah right, I wouldn't be. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.520 So sad if we But you would have had a 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.360 VH one movie though, But yes, no kids to watch, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:19.000 damn kids to watch? The w You know, man, if 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.640 you hadn't gotten into entertainment, what do you think? 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:22.560 What path? 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.880 Because I mean, it's so hard to imagine it because 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.720 we've done it for so long and since we're so 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.880 young at the moment we were supposed to make that decision. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.680 I know I heard some things that are probably would 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.640 have explored. But what about for you? 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:35.680 Something creative? 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:36.160 For sure? 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:40.880 Something creative. I don't know if teaching. I don't know 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.440 if because there's other creative avenues too, right, Like I 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.000 know you and I have have a passion for like furniture, 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.840 Like we love furniture. We love to meet furniture, like 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.640 certain pieces like art pieces to me. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.520 You know, they say something yes and something Yes. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.040 Man, furniture. I love architect picture you know, I love 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.640 I love houses. I you know, one of my uh 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.520 you know your ladies are super gifted and tears. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:12.840 my wife Elsie's a super very very shout out to Elsie, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.240 very talented interior designer. Like I love when people go, 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.520 what's your guilty pleasure? When you watch stuff on TV? 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.560 Like I love seeing old houses being renovated in the 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.000 like new Like, oh, I'm talking like one hundred years old. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:27.760 Maybe I'd be doing that. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.360 I don't know, Like that's I mean, that's a pretty 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:36.040 good trajectory too. That was yeah, really fulfilling, creative Yeah, profitable, yeah, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:37.600 living like that. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.400 Yes, maybe something with music maybe you know, but but 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.400 definitely something that that has a creative bet. You know. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.080 That's why I love even like producing so much. You know, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:51.240 I feel like sometimes producing could feel like like work 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.880 or a job, But to me, I feel like, no, 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.000 You're you're putting the pieces to a puzzle together. You're 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:02.040 you're curating something. Although you're not the director per se 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.240 or the writer or the actor. You're you're curating this 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.640 like gigantic piece man, And you're putting all the pieces together. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:10.840 To me, there's a there's a form of art to. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.440 That, you know, and everyone has a contribution of the 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.480 piece of the puzzle, right, So like that that there's 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:16.720 honor in that as well. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.520 Yeah, it's almost like you're like a conductor in a 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.520 in a in an orchestra, right, and you have your 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.600 your horn section and your you know. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.560 But I mean the thing is that's so interesting is 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.760 if the performing arts hadn't worked out for you, Yeah, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.000 do you think it would have still led you to 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.840 directing and writing and producing? 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.440 I don't know, man, because I can't be available. 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.040 You would have had like tasted the performance, which would 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.480 have which would have led to the curiosity of the 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.600 other jobs on that set or on that stage, which 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.960 eventually made you passionate over the exploration of directing or 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.280 writing a screenplay or right. I mean like it's the 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.200 performing is the gateway to you know, to every everything 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.359 else that touches the product. Yeah, the entertainment piece. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.240 You know, it almost feels like like those Like now, 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.920 so my nephew, my oldest brother's kid is is in 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.600 the fall, is starting as a freshman at the Art 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.480 Institute of Chicago, you know, so He calls me a lot, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.880 and we have a lot of conversations about like what 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.120 that is. And it's really interesting seeing our industry through 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.320 his perspective, right, this younger perspective, and and he only 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.760 knows what he knows, right, And so I try to 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.160 tell him, like, it's so different now in your generation, man, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.040 you have YouTube, you could you could film a movie 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.920 on a phone. And so I think that if we 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.800 had that, maybe when you and I were younger, it 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.040 wouldn't have only been acting, right, it would have been like, well, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.639 I'm going to go make my own movie. I'm going 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.280 to go do these other things. But we didn't have 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.439 those avenues. You know, what about you? What do you 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:54.320 think you would have been doing. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.919 I was always curious. I was very social, so I 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.640 was always curious about the human mind. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:17:59.320 Yeah. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.080 I think it's like coology. Yeah, it'd have been interesting 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.640 for me, the exploration of the why people grow up 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:11.120 with certain habits, character traits. You know, where they gain 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.840 their their ripples of experience. You know how their inheritance 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.679 informs how they handle certain things, like how they handle 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.119 you know, tragedy, how they handle breakups, how they handle happiness. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.840 You know that that made me because I also think 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.840 that you have to be a little bit of a 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.280 psychologist to do this acting thing. You have to the 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.800 phrase you have to kind of understand where where these 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.040 characters are coming from in order to predict how they 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.800 will react based on the performances that you need to 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.840 bring a character not only to life, but to tell 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.959 their story in a way that embodies their shoes that 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.679 are so far removed from the ones you wear. So 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.000 to me, psychology felt like like I love talking to people. 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.879 I love getting in people's minds and saying, you know, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.080 how do I how can I understand you? You know? 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.760 What is your love language? How could I communicate the 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:06.640 most efficient way? 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:06.960 You know? 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.199 Like that that kind of stuff is something that fascinates me. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.879 But if you if you, if you asked my my 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.040 nineteen year old self, yeah, I would have been a 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.040 pilot for the Air Force. I would have worn a uniform, 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:21.560 I would have been some type of I would have 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.040 been part of the armed forces, for sure. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.359 But then, but then do you feel that those professions 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.159 would have suppressed your personality? 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.200 It's interesting if you would have joined the armed forces, 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.679 there were it would have been I would have been 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.960 programmed you know, to do something different, you know, being 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.320 of service. Sure, yeah, but maybe I don't know, maybe 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.480 like you know, being part of that community. Also, you 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.080 know there is room for that type of lively livelihood 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:52.240 of likelihood of like connecting with others. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:20:03.360 Yeah, you think you would have you think you would 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.320 have gone into politics. Let me tell you why. I 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.040 asked him, because and I remember Gabriel Luna when he 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.440 was here. He said it best, He goes, Man, I 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.800 remember when you and I when to meet Obama, and 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:21.679