1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Wilmer about the Rama. This is Freddy Rodriguez. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to those amigos. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: Wimer, how are you man. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. What are you sipping on? 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: I am sipping on the coffee that you made me upstairs. 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: By the way, everybody, Wilmer has an incredibly fancy coffee 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: machine upstairs, and he's quite the barista. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: I take my coffee ritual moist setios, as we say 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: in latinosos. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see that right there. 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: I mean he has a he has a like that's 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: like a Starbucks quaes. 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: It's about the tone too, And you want to a disarming. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: Brown, ah, disarming brown. 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: You want the coffee to be a disarming brown. 16 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: You should pitch that color to like bear paints and 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: in the arming brown. 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: About the Rama cafe, dis army in brown is a 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: medium roast. 20 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: We make it. We make it disarming brown. 21 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: This army and brown coffee. And what does that mean? 22 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: It means like it invites you. And once you go 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: to half a cup, it's too late. It's too late, 24 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: full anxiety with the kefin You've. 25 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: Been disarmed from the beginning, so now too late. 26 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: Like we've been seduced by the by the disarming brown. Yes. 27 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: So this is our new collection of ep U eplur 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: of us unum, which means out of many one. It's 29 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: actually really exciting. It's our it's our fitness apparel brand 30 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: that has an impact program. The impact program is actually 31 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: taking out. We have tons of missions throughout the year 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: has been really beautiful. So we have a partnership with 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: a company that has this beautiful vintage frames and we 34 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: are honoring those vintage frames with graphics that you know 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: that really reflect on certain times of war. You know. 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: So this seal here, I think this is the seal 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: the ceo you know, is balancing a bomb, right, but 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: these this ceo was technically in the nose of one 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of these planes that will go into missions and war zones. 40 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: So this was kind of like you know how the 41 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: you know sometimes they have like the pin up girl 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: that the side of plane. You know, these were also 43 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: part of that kind of culture of putting certain graphics 44 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: on aircraft's helicopters and things like that. So we're embracing 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: that and making it part of the brand. It's really fun. 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: It's just really cool, and you know, if you want 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: to know more APU EPU HQ as in headquarters EPU 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: HQ dot com. 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: Did you design it? 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a whole team that kind of brought 51 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: the sentiment and we're all started going to spit balling things. 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: But our team, a graphics team just aist it, you know, 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: like we were like what if, what if? And then 54 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: they just pitched this thing and and it's really great. 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: And then also we have a handful of arrows to 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: you know the meaning of the handful of arrows. So 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: if you have if you grab a bunch of arrows, 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, together and you try to break them as impossible, 59 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: So a number of arrows coming together, you know, becoming 60 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: an unbreakable you know task. So it's an unbreakable bond. 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: And the idea is that out of many arrows, you know, 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: one invincible approach type of things. So it's become kind 63 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: of like a new tag and our new our new 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: tag in the back of the sweatist was pretty cool. 65 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: It looks like a cool sweatshirt that you would buy 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: like it, Fred Siegel. 67 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of right, And it feels like that it 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: feels like that's not going to be as expensive. Guys, 69 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's definitely a lot more affordable. We wanted 70 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: to make this approbable that the point is that this 71 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: brand also fuels the impact program good like the ideas 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: as a private company who is pledging, you know, it's 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: it's profit to to also you know, to also fund 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: the change in the mission, the missions and the agendas. 75 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: But anyways, enough about me. Yeah, so today's episode, we're 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: very excited about Leo, our lead producer of those amigos, 77 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: had a really good idea. But we're coming back to fundamentals. 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: We had a streak of amazing guess you know, some 79 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: really great friends of ours with a lot of reflection 80 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: on our stuff. I hope all of you guys also have 81 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: taken some from those episodes as well. I know we 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: definitely walked away with a great deal of appreciation for 83 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: not only our friends, but like you know, the sentiment 84 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: of starting from scratch and ya and you know their stories, 85 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: so so you know, we find the relativity in theres 86 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: and in hours, right, So so that was really cool. 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: But he had this cool idea and this episode is 88 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: called what If? What If? What if? Everything that happened 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: or those little moments at the beginning of our lives 90 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: and or the moments where we decided we were going 91 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: to be what we are now? What if those moments 92 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: never happened? What is the road? What would have been? 93 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: And I don't want to call it a plant, plant 94 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: B or a plant C, but like what what would 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: your life would have been if I don't know, if 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: you had an auditioned for that play, if you hadn't 97 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: gone into that gotten into the the theater group, or 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: you know, same thing, like if I had audition for 99 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: this regional Yellow Pages commercial in California, Like, uh, you 100 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: know what? 101 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: What? What? 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: You know? What would have happened if I never got 103 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: to audition again? Like what what would that path be? 104 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? Or what if? Like like what what? What was 105 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: your earliest what if? Experience? Like did you ever have 106 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: like a like a near death experience? 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Like yeah, what if? 108 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: What if that would have happened? Right? I mean, what 109 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: was your earliest what if experience? 110 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't so much a death experience for me, but 111 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: it could have been a really bad experience for my sister. 112 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: We were at a at a finca, which is you know, 113 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: our Spanish word for for farm. We had a we 114 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: had a little ranch, a little farm in the middle 115 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: of Venezuela, four hours south of you know, Venezuela, and 116 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: we had horses, and you know, I was to think 117 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: about maybe eight years old or something like that, and 118 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: I was my sister was on this horse, and I 119 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: was pulling this horse, and while I was walking, I 120 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: kind of slowed down, and all of a sudden, the 121 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: horse's head came here and he opened his mouth and 122 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: I saw his teeth at the corner my eye, and 123 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: he scared me because I thought he was trying to 124 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: bite me or something. And I screamed and I just 125 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: like started and then the horse got spooked with my 126 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: sister on it and took off. Oh wow, and I froze, 127 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: like I didn't know what to do in that moment. 128 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: How old are you? 129 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: I was about eight, I think eight or nine years old. 130 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: And then another lady that was like probably ten yards 131 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: in front of me, you know, thought quickly and went 132 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: and put her foot down on the reins and the 133 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: realms the reins, and slowed down the horse, and all 134 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden it stopped him from like going into 135 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: the savannah and just like running aimlessly with my sister 136 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: on it. And in that moment, I felt such great 137 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: deal of killed, you know, Like I was just like, 138 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: what if she would have fallen off? What if she 139 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: would have broken a leg or her back or neck 140 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: like what, you know, like all these things, you know, 141 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: And I just became incredibly protective of my sister and like, 142 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: get out of get down from there, get down there, 143 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: don't do that, don't run that fast like you know. 144 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: So like that really kind of marked me. But but 145 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: it would have changed the trajectory of my life. I 146 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: don't know if I would have had the confidence I 147 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: have now. I don't know, you know what I mean, 148 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: Like I think about how what what if all of 149 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, you like, I couldn't even protect my sister, 150 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: could I have my own kids? You know what I mean? 151 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Like maybe turns into that you never know, but I 152 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: guess this was one of those moments where I told 153 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: close to something really bad happening. The other one was, 154 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I wrote about it in my book 155 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: An American Story Everyone's Invited. It was we were in 156 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: a private plane and you know, oxygen stopped going into 157 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: the cabin and uh, and we had to do an 158 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: emergency landing. In that moment was like what what if 159 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: that would have been it? Right? You know, would I 160 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: still get a movie, a VH one movie, you know? Yeah, 161 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, back to do those those really low budget 162 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: into my movies, A biopigs about some. 163 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I do remember that. Wow, that's crazy. I've 164 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: had a few of those too. Man. I remember one time, 165 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: and he probably doesn't remember this. I was in high school. 166 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: It was my senior year of high school. And I 167 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: grew up in Chicago. Uh and unfortunately sometimes Chicago is 168 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: the murder capital of the United States, right, And I 169 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: grew up in that kind of environment, and I had 170 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: this really vivid dream that I got shot. I mean 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: I'm talking about like vivid where I could like feel 172 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: like the blast going through my chest and blood coming 173 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: down and everything. And I woke up from the dream 174 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: and I couldn't speak. And remember back then when you 175 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: would have somebody on speed dial, and I had my 176 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: wife out on speed dial. We were dating, and I 177 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: speed dialed her but I couldn't speak, and she knew 178 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: that something was wrong and she talked me down. But 179 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: the next day I went to school and I had 180 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: this premonition that something was gonna happen. I just knew it. 181 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: I just knew something. Y. Yeah, it was too real. 182 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: It was like God was warning me, you know. And 183 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: so this was back when I was a store sort 184 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: of heavily involved in the hip hop scene, and we 185 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: had heard that Common was having a show on the 186 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: South Side of Chicago and I live on the Northwest Side, 187 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, man, I said, I don't 188 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: feel good about going to the South Side. And they 189 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: were like, come on, man, We're gonna go hang out 190 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: with Common, and I was like, nah, I feel bad 191 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: about it, you know. And so I got convinced to 192 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: go to the South Side of Chicago. And we're waiting 193 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: for Common and a bunch of people outside of this club, 194 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: and because I was so hyper aware, I noticed that 195 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: these two guys were getting into a fight on the sidewalk. 196 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: And after they got into a fight, one guy jumped 197 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: into his truck started to take off. The other guy 198 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: picked up a brick and threw it at the truck, 199 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: and the guy got mad and went to the end 200 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: of the block, turned around and came barreling down the 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: sidewalk in his truck. And because I was so hyper 202 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: aware of that dream, I saw the truck coming a 203 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: mile away and my best friend Marco had his back 204 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: turned to the truck, and I grabbed him and I 205 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: threw him out of the way and we got out 206 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: of the way. So what if I didn't have that dream, 207 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: we probably would have still went to the south side, 208 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have been aware, and we probably both 209 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: would have gotten run over. 210 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in that's it. I mean, even if 211 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: you had survived, Like, why would have your lafe been? Yeah? 212 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, man, I also think what if, Like, 213 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, my wife Elsie was pregnant when I was 214 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: nineteen years old, you. 215 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: Know, I was. 216 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: A young man, and what if she would have gotten 217 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: an abortion? What if? Right she if she would have 218 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: even gotten pregnant? You know, uh, you know, this December 219 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: of the thirty years of marriage for me, and I've 220 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 2: had such a wonderful relationship with her in a wonderful marriage, 221 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: and and what. 222 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Would have doneationship? 223 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, She's kept me so incredibly grounded in this business, 224 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: I feel, and it saved me, I think inadvertently from 225 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: like the traps that that this structure is very easily 226 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: for us to fall into. And so like what if, 227 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: what if? 228 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: You know, you know, and and also celebrating the different 229 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: versions they never were about ourselves. You know, those examples 230 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: were examples that definitely feel I mean feel like just 231 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: rude awakenings. 232 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: You know. 233 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was also times in our lives where we 234 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: were delusional, but like I'll be okay dying now. 235 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: Right, like you know what I mean, James Dean, Yeah, 236 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: leave a good looking corpse. 237 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: Well do you know That's the thing that I reflect 238 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: is I went on a US SOL tour and I 239 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: was flying over a bag that I think it was 240 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: back then. We was I forget what it was. When 241 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: we were on our way to Iraq and we were 242 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: funding in Offspry you know, in Ofspry for those who 243 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: don't know, as a military aircraft that kind of takes 244 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: off like a helicopter in midair that you know, the 245 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the wings start tilting forward and then the jets pick 246 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: up and then it shoots from midair and he becomes 247 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: a plane. Uh and the back is you know open, 248 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: and he has a you know, fifty cow on the 249 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: side and all that. And we were going in from 250 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, with those we were going from base to 251 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: base where we were in the Middle East, you know, 252 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: entertaining the troops and as we were flying over, I 253 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: looked throughout the back and the flares shut out right 254 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: and what that when that does? It looks like fireworks 255 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: right to the back of the plane. And I was like, oh, interested. 256 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: I didn't think much of it. Then we did a 257 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: comeback landing into the base that we're supposed to come 258 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: in and bring entertainment through the years, and one of 259 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: the colonels uh, looks up to me. It looks up 260 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: and he goes because that was crazy, huh. And I 261 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: was like, we got locked down by a missile. And 262 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: I was like, excuse me, we got what because we 263 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: got locked down by a missile? And I was like, 264 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: what you we don't worries. They never hit anything. 265 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm sorry you got what. 266 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: We got locked on by a missile. 267 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: No. So the flares that you thought were just flares, 268 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: it was it was it was it was too vade 269 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: a missile that that was locked on to the thing 270 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: and whoa. 271 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what do you mean, like, 272 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: you go locked don't worry they never hit anything. Yeah, 273 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, they never hit anything. It made me 274 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: think in that moment, I'm like, hm, let's see I 275 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: would have died on this plane right now, the Middle 276 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: East military aircraft twenty seven years old, twenty eight years old. Maybe, yeah, 277 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I get my VH one movie. I get 278 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: me H one. Sure that's what I thought. But you know, 279 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: like looking back at that, yeah, bro, like I would 280 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: have been so sad if we didn't have our kids. 281 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I wouldn't be. 282 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: So sad if we But you would have had a 283 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: VH one movie though, But yes, no kids to watch, 284 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: damn kids to watch? The w You know, man, if 285 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: you hadn't gotten into entertainment, what do you think? 286 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: What path? 287 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: Because I mean, it's so hard to imagine it because 288 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: we've done it for so long and since we're so 289 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: young at the moment we were supposed to make that decision. 290 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: I know I heard some things that are probably would 291 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: have explored. But what about for you? 292 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: Something creative? 293 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: For sure? 294 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: Something creative. I don't know if teaching. I don't know 295 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: if because there's other creative avenues too, right, Like I 296 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: know you and I have have a passion for like furniture, 297 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: Like we love furniture. We love to meet furniture, like 298 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: certain pieces like art pieces to me. 299 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: You know, they say something yes and something Yes. 300 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: Man, furniture. I love architect picture you know, I love 301 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: I love houses. I you know, one of my uh 302 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: you know your ladies are super gifted and tears. Yeah. Yeah, 303 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: my wife Elsie's a super very very shout out to Elsie, 304 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: very talented interior designer. Like I love when people go, 305 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: what's your guilty pleasure? When you watch stuff on TV? 306 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: Like I love seeing old houses being renovated in the 307 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: like new Like, oh, I'm talking like one hundred years old. 308 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: Maybe I'd be doing that. 309 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like that's I mean, that's a pretty 310 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: good trajectory too. That was yeah, really fulfilling, creative Yeah, profitable, yeah, 311 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: living like that. 312 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: Yes, maybe something with music maybe you know, but but 313 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: definitely something that that has a creative bet. You know. 314 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: That's why I love even like producing so much. You know, 315 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes producing could feel like like work 316 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: or a job, But to me, I feel like, no, 317 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: You're you're putting the pieces to a puzzle together. You're 318 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: you're curating something. Although you're not the director per se 319 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: or the writer or the actor. You're you're curating this 320 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: like gigantic piece man, And you're putting all the pieces together. 321 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: To me, there's a there's a form of art to. 322 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: That, you know, and everyone has a contribution of the 323 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle, right, So like that that there's 324 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: honor in that as well. 325 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like you're like a conductor in a 326 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: in a in an orchestra, right, and you have your 327 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: your horn section and your you know. 328 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: But I mean the thing is that's so interesting is 329 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: if the performing arts hadn't worked out for you, Yeah, 330 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: do you think it would have still led you to 331 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: directing and writing and producing? 332 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, because I can't be available. 333 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: You would have had like tasted the performance, which would 334 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: have which would have led to the curiosity of the 335 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: other jobs on that set or on that stage, which 336 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: eventually made you passionate over the exploration of directing or 337 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: writing a screenplay or right. I mean like it's the 338 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: performing is the gateway to you know, to every everything 339 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: else that touches the product. Yeah, the entertainment piece. 340 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: You know, it almost feels like like those Like now, 341 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: so my nephew, my oldest brother's kid is is in 342 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: the fall, is starting as a freshman at the Art 343 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: Institute of Chicago, you know, so He calls me a lot, 344 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: and we have a lot of conversations about like what 345 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: that is. And it's really interesting seeing our industry through 346 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: his perspective, right, this younger perspective, and and he only 347 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: knows what he knows, right, And so I try to 348 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: tell him, like, it's so different now in your generation, man, 349 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: you have YouTube, you could you could film a movie 350 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: on a phone. And so I think that if we 351 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: had that, maybe when you and I were younger, it 352 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't have only been acting, right, it would have been like, well, 353 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: I'm going to go make my own movie. I'm going 354 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: to go do these other things. But we didn't have 355 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: those avenues. You know, what about you? What do you 356 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: think you would have been doing. 357 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: I was always curious. I was very social, so I 358 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: was always curious about the human mind. 359 00:17:59,000 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 360 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: I think it's like coology. Yeah, it'd have been interesting 361 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: for me, the exploration of the why people grow up 362 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: with certain habits, character traits. You know, where they gain 363 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: their their ripples of experience. You know how their inheritance 364 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: informs how they handle certain things, like how they handle 365 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, tragedy, how they handle breakups, how they handle happiness. 366 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: You know that that made me because I also think 367 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: that you have to be a little bit of a 368 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: psychologist to do this acting thing. You have to the 369 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: phrase you have to kind of understand where where these 370 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: characters are coming from in order to predict how they 371 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: will react based on the performances that you need to 372 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: bring a character not only to life, but to tell 373 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: their story in a way that embodies their shoes that 374 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: are so far removed from the ones you wear. So 375 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: to me, psychology felt like like I love talking to people. 376 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: I love getting in people's minds and saying, you know, 377 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: how do I how can I understand you? You know? 378 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: What is your love language? How could I communicate the 379 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: most efficient way? 380 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: You know? 381 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: Like that that kind of stuff is something that fascinates me. 382 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: But if you if you, if you asked my my 383 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: nineteen year old self, yeah, I would have been a 384 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: pilot for the Air Force. I would have worn a uniform, 385 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: I would have been some type of I would have 386 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: been part of the armed forces, for sure. 387 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: But then, but then do you feel that those professions 388 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: would have suppressed your personality? 389 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting if you would have joined the armed forces, 390 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: there were it would have been I would have been 391 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: programmed you know, to do something different, you know, being 392 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: of service. Sure, yeah, but maybe I don't know, maybe 393 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: like you know, being part of that community. Also, you 394 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: know there is room for that type of lively livelihood 395 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: of likelihood of like connecting with others. 396 00:19:52,320 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you would have you think you would 397 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: have gone into politics. Let me tell you why. I 398 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: asked him, because and I remember Gabriel Luna when he 399 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: was here. He said it best, He goes, Man, I 400 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: remember when you and I when to meet Obama, and 401 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: and and he he he let out an interesting observation 402 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: about you and how your ability to sort of work 403 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: the room in the way that you did. Uh uh. 404 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: And he said that he learned a lot from watching 405 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: you do that. And I feel that those are aspects 406 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: of a leader. Those are aspects that that perhaps and 407 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: when I say a politician, I mean it in the 408 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: most positive way. I don't mean it in the most 409 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: negative way. But those are attributes that like you either 410 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: have it or you don't, right like Obama right like 411 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: he has particular attributes that you either have it or 412 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: you don't. Write and which is what I feel contributed 413 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: to him being able to mascial and you a lot 414 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: of those attributes, and which is why I think Gabriel 415 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: made those comments about you. And I've always know I've 416 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: known you, you know, twenty five years, so I've always 417 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 2: known that about you. 418 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: So I always wondered, like if you ever thought of. 419 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: Taking some sort of leadership or attaining to take a 420 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: leadership role in that regard because of the natural attributes 421 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: that you possess. 422 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: I receive all that. So I appreciate you seeing me 423 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: with those eyes and that light. It's a great, great sentiment, 424 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: you know. I've I love being of service. That's why 425 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: I've been serving with the USO for twenty years. You know, 426 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious about the science of unity, and to 427 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: think about politics as a career and the times we 428 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: live right now feels almost deflating, you know. It feels 429 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: like it's not a celebration of what we can do 430 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: when we come together. It feels more like a debate 431 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: on how we you know, how we chip away at 432 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: the creability of the system that we have built for 433 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: so many, you know, a couple hundred years now in America. 434 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: I've always been curious about, you know that the practice 435 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: of common sense in the role of a leader does 436 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: common sense? Is common sense a gift or is it 437 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: a delusion? When you're a politic, you know. 438 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: It may start off that way, yes, and then. 439 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: While somewhere along the way, perhaps he dies, or it 440 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: gets muted, or it gets put in a shelf, or 441 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: it gets corrupted corrupted. So but you know, it's it's 442 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I you know, I've had so many friends, 443 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, like Rossari Dawson and my friend my data 444 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: is a Kumar who you know is the leader oft Latino. 445 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: And my friend Jane Horden, who knows a you know, 446 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: goal star wife and you know, advisor to former advisors 447 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: to Secretary of Defense. She's like, let me know when 448 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: you're ready to run. 449 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: Ah. So I'm not hold on a second. So I'm 450 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: not the first person that's saying. 451 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: This, no, no, but I but I but look, I 452 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: receive it with the most almost humble like wow, like 453 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: that what what an ultimate you know what an ultimate compliment? 454 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: To get it is a very fragile responsibility, you know. 455 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: And you also wonder where do you make the most noise? 456 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: Do you make the most noise in the inside, or 457 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: do you make the most noise in the outside. It 458 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: feels to me like as a storyteller and as an 459 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: amplifier stories feels to me like, you know, it's a 460 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: form of of of unity cultivation. How do you get 461 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: everyone on the same theater? How do you get everyone 462 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: to tune in together at eight o'clock to enjoy one 463 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: thing and for that moment you put all our differences 464 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: aside and we and we all admit that we all 465 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: like this thing together. We don't have to like our beliefs, 466 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: our religions, our politics or preferences. You know, we can 467 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: agree that we like this movie, that we like this show. 468 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: And there's a there's a power that comes with uniting 469 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: voices into one room. Now that being said, like have 470 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: I ever thought about it? I mean, like I would say, 471 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: it's crossed my mind, like maybe I could do that, 472 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: you know, and or maybe I should, or perhaps I 473 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: can contribute something to this country that I never thought, 474 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: you know, that I had in me, right, But but 475 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: it's a hard question to answer. 476 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: In this very moment, I was just wondering if you 477 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 2: ever thought about it? Because you you naturally possess possess 478 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: the attributes that you know, I am and Maria and 479 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: Rosario all feel that you possess. Right, They're very specific 480 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: attributes that that a good politician should possess. And you 481 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: you possess it, and and and an the most positive way, 482 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: like I said, because obviously being one now is is 483 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: probably much different than what it was maybe twenty five 484 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: years ago when. 485 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: You were Yeah, for sure, for sure. I look, I 486 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: will tell you this. I love this country. I love 487 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: what is provided to millions and millions of people that 488 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: have dreams. Right, It's one of the few places in 489 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: the planet where you if you dream it, it can 490 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: be materialized. Right. I love people from around the world, 491 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: and guess where they're at. People from around the world 492 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: are in this country too, you know. So there's something 493 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: really about to go about that I would say never 494 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: say never, but at this point I think I can 495 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: make a little more noise outside, you know. But yeah, 496 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: you know, it's an interesting thing. I mean, it's you know, 497 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: what would be a really cool thing to become the 498 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: one of the governors of California and bring all of 499 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: film and television back. That's one thing. 500 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: I mean, Arnold did it. 501 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a little. 502 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: Light bulb. 503 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, but so yeah, so I think those are 504 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: kind of the options that I would have taken. But 505 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: if you so, if you weren't an actor, what other profession? 506 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: Like I always for me it was like maybe psychologist. 507 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: Maybe you know, maybe something in real estate, you know, 508 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: because I dabble in real estate now too, and I 509 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: love it and I feel like there's there's there's a 510 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: form of art in it. Also. 511 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: I love how you mean in real estate? What do 512 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: you what are you doing the real estate? 513 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: I own a couple of pieces of property, you know, 514 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: and and I just I just I just love architecture 515 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: and real estate and to me that's art. Like like 516 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: I can walk into a house and like I in 517 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: order for me to buy a house or to live in, 518 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: I have to feel the energy. You know, the house 519 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: we live in now, we've we've been there twenty seven years, 520 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: and I knew the first thirty seconds that I walked in, 521 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 2: I was like, well, well this is it. You know, 522 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: there's just an energy in that house, you know. So 523 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: maybe if I wasn't acting or doing anything in the arts, 524 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: I would have been in real estate. Maybe I would 525 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: have been developing, Maybe I would have been remodeling, Maybe 526 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: I would have been tackling, like these old houses in Chicago, 527 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: and in turn. 528 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: You would still be living in Chicago, right, I don't know. 529 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: I you know where if I paint, I paint too 530 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: for you would have been in Chicago. And you're like, 531 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to New York. 532 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's that urban. 533 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 1: Concrete jungle that I think it's in your veins. 534 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: I like it. I like the cold. A lot of 535 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: people don't like the cold. 536 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: Do you like weather? You like seasons? 537 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: I like seasons. I like I like wearing a coat. 538 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: You know, some people are like, no, no, you know, 539 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: I want to be in the sun. I'm not that guy. 540 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: Man. 541 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: I grew up in harsh winters and and I like it, 542 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: Like when it gets gloomy here in California and then 543 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: it's cold, like my wife has like two sweaters on, 544 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: and I'm like, yes, I love it, Yes, the gloomy weather. 545 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 2: I love it. You know where do you think you 546 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: would have been if you were? 547 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: I love New York. Don't get me wrong. New York 548 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: is like my my city. I love New York. That's 549 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: my world that I love so much. I love the people, 550 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: love the energy everything about New York. Yeah, I mean 551 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm an la guy. Yeah, you know, but there's something 552 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: about Miami that wakes up a different version of my Latinius. 553 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: What do you mean why the food? 554 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the music, yeah, the people, right, the multi 555 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: colored spectrum of all Latinos that gather around there, Argentinians, Brazilians, Colombia, Venezuelan's, 556 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans, Cubans. You know, like there's there's this collective 557 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, sound, yeah, aesthetic, something different, you know. 558 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 559 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: But I mean here in La I'm an honorary Mexican, 560 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: so I love you know, I feel like I'm a 561 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: Chicano too, you know, but. 562 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: Same same. You know, Chicago is one of the one 563 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: of the only cities I've ever been to where Puerto 564 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: Ricans and Mexicans like live together. I always thought it 565 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: was like that everywhere, and I even came to La 566 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, there's no Puerto Ricans here. 567 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: You know. I have two aunts who are Mexican, so 568 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: I have I have a bunch of half Mexican, have 569 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: Puerto Rican cousins. All of my best all my best 570 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: friend Roger, when I was growing up half Mexican, have Acuadorian. 571 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: These two twins rich and have half Mexican, have Guatemalan 572 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: and a bunch of my friends of Chewi, my friend 573 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: Jose half Puerto Rican, half Mexican and so like, I 574 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 2: just thought it was that way everywhere. So I very 575 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: much grew up with Mexican culture, you know, uh and uh, 576 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: and it surprised me to see uh that not exist 577 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: in other cities. But I hear you about Miami. You 578 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: know what I love about Miami is one of the 579 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: only cities that I've been to where where where our 580 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: people are? And how can I word this correctly? Our 581 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: people are in positions of power, man and positions of leadership, 582 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: and I don't I don't feel I don't feel discriminated against. 583 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: I don't feel like you know it. Yeah, I always 584 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: feel incredibly welcomed when I'm there and not looked down 585 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: to sup. 586 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: It's very virant, super do. It's really beautiful. Okay, So 587 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: closing this episode. 588 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: Yes, Woomer, what if we never met damn it. I 589 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: don't even want to think about it. 590 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: I imagine that. 591 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to forget it. 592 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: It's a gentlemen. I'm Wilmer Valdorama, I'm Freddi Rodriguez. Thank 593 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: you for watching this episode of those Amigos. This got 594 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: very dark, very until the next episode. Thank you for 595 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: watching error listening. 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