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Speaker 1: If you look up the word narcissist in a.

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Speaker 2: Dictionary, narcissist an extremely self centered person who has an

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Speaker 1: You'll find a lengthy definition describing someone who always makes

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Speaker 1: themselves the focus of everyone's attention. A person who makes

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Speaker 1: whatever situation you're going through about them. A person who

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Speaker 2: Narcissists may play the victim if they believe they gain

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Speaker 1: In June of twenty twenty one, Bravo's Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City star Jen Shaw makes a public declaration

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Speaker 1: to the judge in her criminal case, a criminal case

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Speaker 1: accusing her of masterminding an elaborate scheme to defraud thousands

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Speaker 1: and still be on planet Earth. Jen states to the

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Speaker 1: judge regarding the criminal case against her, that quote, I.

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Speaker 3: Was the victim of multiple crimes by an individual known

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Speaker 3: to me who stole money from me, violated an order

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Speaker 1: A quick note before we go on. I know this

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Speaker 1: sounds a lot like the real Jenshaw, but it's actually

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Speaker 1: an actor reading from a declaration. Jenshaw wrote to the judge.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear more of this kind of thing throughout the season. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Jenshaw continues now writing about some guy who supposedly assaulted her.

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Speaker 3: He was arrested for, among other things, stealing from me

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Speaker 3: in New York County, New York. The arresting officer was

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Speaker 3: initial arrests and arraignment, a judge issued a temporary order

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Speaker 3: of protection, which required the individual to stay away from me.

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Speaker 3: He did not stay away from me, and said physically

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Speaker 3: assaulted me on March twenty seventh and twenty seventeen in

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Speaker 1: So jen Shaw is being prosecuted for federal crimes. Then

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Speaker 1: suddenly she flips the script, bringing up something she says

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Speaker 1: lot like the definition of a narcissist, right, But what

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Speaker 1: does any of that have to do with the many

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Speaker 1: criminal exploits of con artist Jennifer Kai Kalani Shaw simply

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Speaker 1: put everything. I'm Jonathan Walton and this is season four

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Speaker 1: of Queen of the Khan The Unreal, Episode one. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't take my eyes off her.

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Speaker 4: Jenny, you can be okay, Yeah, I just gotta go

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Speaker 4: figure out what's going on. What's going on? I've just

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Speaker 4: got a phone call and strap Stain years in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: It's March thirtieth, twenty twenty one, Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Speaker 5: A fleet of black SUVs.

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Speaker 1: And a sprinter van have haphazardly pulled up in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a strip mall parking lot. Bravo's Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of Salt Lake City is shooting season two of their show.

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Speaker 1: They're outside a shop called Beauty Labin Laser, owned by

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Speaker 1: cast member Heather Gay, but one of the show's most

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Speaker 1: outspoken stars, Jenshaw, is in full panic mode. She's the

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Speaker 1: picture of Hollywood glam, with professionally braided hair and glitzy makeup,

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Speaker 1: Jen Shaw is scrambling now to leave set after supposedly

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Speaker 1: receiving a disturbing phone call about her husband.

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Speaker 4: He has internal bleeding, so I need to go there, Like,

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Speaker 4: are you still on Salt Lake? But yeah, we're still here,

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Speaker 1: Jen jumps into a pickup truck with a driver and

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Speaker 6: We're looking for Jen Saw.

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Speaker 7: She just like, wow, I have like swap team minut stuff.

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Speaker 8: What the heck?

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Speaker 1: In the end, agents in unmarked vehicles suddenly appear behind

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Speaker 1: that dark gray f one point fifty Jen's being driven

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Speaker 9: Bars, and she might have had things in place, knowing

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Speaker 9: this was coming. Because so many of her co defendants

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Speaker 1: That's the amazing Emily D. Baker, a former prosecutor with

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Speaker 1: Emily Show podcast. And you were the only female on

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Speaker 1: all male water polo team.

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Speaker 7: I was.

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Speaker 9: I played water polo in high school and at the time,

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Speaker 9: our high school did not have a women's water polo program.

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Speaker 1: I imagine it took some talk in convincing to allow

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Speaker 1: and that's what made Emily a force to reckon with

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Speaker 1: school before this season of the podcast. I never saw

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Speaker 1: a single episode, but Emily she's a Bravo Rhodes scholar

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Speaker 1: with a concentration in Jenshaw.

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Speaker 9: Genshaw is quite a character, and she was in for

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Speaker 9: all of the seasons. Most of the scenes. She was

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Speaker 10: You're gonna go with Mary, it's your grandfather.

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Speaker 9: Only Genshaw would scream that in a restaurant.

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Speaker 5: What is that about? Is she having sex with her grant?

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Speaker 5: Did she marry her grandfather? What's the story?

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Speaker 9: It was very much a moment. So one of the

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Speaker 9: other housewives in the first two seasons before she left,

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Speaker 9: ran a church in Utah and her grandmother had been

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Speaker 9: Cosby married her grandmother's husband, so he is her step grandfather,

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Speaker 9: not her biological grandfather. And it was a very interesting

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Speaker 9: Interesting.

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Speaker 9: Mean, with their age gap. It just felt very strange

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Speaker 1: But Jen Shaw is the master of weird moments. Everything

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Speaker 9: It felt to me, as someone who has watched Real

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Speaker 9: bringing that on screen, bringing the drinking, the fighting, not

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Speaker 9: afraid to say things that were absolutely outrageous, getting mad,

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Speaker 9: but then apologizing so people would still film with her.

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Speaker 1: She watched all the other seasons of Real Housewives, studied them,

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Speaker 9: I think, so this was a calculated, curated persona.

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Speaker 1: But here's what I can't figure out. When Jenshaw is

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Speaker 1: eventually gets arrested by the FEDS, she gets a phone

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Speaker 1: her husband Shaw, who everyone including Jen, calls coach because

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Speaker 1: he's a football coach at the University of Utah.

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Speaker 4: He has internal pleading, So I need to go there, Like,

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Speaker 4: are you still on Salt Lake? Yeah, we're still here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I will So at this point, I'm thinking it's

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Speaker 1: the Feds who made that call to Chen to trick

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Speaker 1: I mean, they do that kind of stuff all the time.

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Speaker 5: The door, they rush in, throw her up against the

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Speaker 5: wall and cuffer. What do you know about that phone call?

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Speaker 1: Was that federal agent's calling to trick her into going

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Speaker 9: Oh, there's no way federal agents called her to lure

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Speaker 1: Stewart is Jen's assistant, one of them. Anyway, in season

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Speaker 9: They try to have multiple teams to hit locations at

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Speaker 9: The Feds are trying to avoid the circumstance that happened

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Speaker 1: They want to secure the.

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Speaker 9: Person away from their cell phones immediately, and they want

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Speaker 1: That phone call she got was that someone on her

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Speaker 1: side quote unquote trying to warn her. That phone call

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Speaker 9: I think she was absolutely getting warned. It could have

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Speaker 9: not sure who was on the phone, but I am

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Speaker 9: very confident that it wasn't Coach going to the hospital

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Speaker 9: with internal bleeding.

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Speaker 1: That was all a lie that she made up.

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Speaker 9: She just made that up on the fly, on the

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Speaker 9: Once it's like my husband's going to the hospital he

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Speaker 9: worried that her husband was going to the hospital, because

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Speaker 9: Jen would generally lean into something like that for a storyline,

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Speaker 9: most housewives would. She turned off her micpack and looked

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Speaker 9: getting are the Feds are rating your house and Stort's house,

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Speaker 9: and that's when she decided to leave. I don't think

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Speaker 9: she wanted to be arrested on camera.

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Speaker 1: There's so many different tentacles to this scam that they

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm the Housewives expert, Jonathan. Not only do I

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Speaker 1: The Real Housewives franchise has been a cash cow for

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Speaker 4: And then just everything in My world.

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Speaker 5: They throw legs, legs.

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Speaker 13: So that she didn't have to hobble on out.

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Speaker 1: Enter The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: A quick lesson on how to be a good Mormon.

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Speaker 14: Don't drink, don't swear, treat your body like a temple.

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Speaker 5: Why do a Housewives in Salt Lake City, Utah?

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Speaker 11: I feel like Salt Lake they did it for the

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 11: I think they thought they would find some interesting housewives,

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Speaker 1: But from the very first day of shooting The Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Salt Lake City, there was one woman who

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Speaker 6: You can't buy the tids because my plastic surgeon retired.

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Speaker 11: Jenshaw was the breakout star of real house as of

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Speaker 1: Do you bitch?

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Speaker 14: Do you hope she's okay?

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Speaker 1: How did Jenshaw portray herself on Housewives?

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Speaker 11: I think Jenshaw really wanted us to believe that she

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Speaker 1: But it turns out the perfect housewife is not so perfect.

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Speaker 1: In fact, her origin story is fraught with ridicule, racism

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Speaker 14: My name is Amy Jones Glenn and I'm from orm Utah.

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Speaker 14: I went to school with Jen mount View High School.

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Speaker 14: You could pretty much recognize, you know, everybody, you kind

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Speaker 1: Amy's right, I'm posting that senior class picture at Queen

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Speaker 1: She was born Jennifer ki Kialani Louis on October fourth,

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Speaker 1: And while Jen is Mormon growing up in Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 14: At school, there was a huge, huge lack of diversity.

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Speaker 14: She was exotic, i would say, compared to all of

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Speaker 1: And even before high school, navigating that all white Mormon

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Speaker 14: So Ram Junior High School had a reputation for being

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Speaker 14: a very rough school. People were mistreated my sister. When

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Speaker 14: they just picked on her.

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Speaker 1: But Jen gets picked on for an entirely different reason

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Speaker 1: her skin color. Jen's own ants has said publicly on

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Speaker 1: that ABC News Hulu documentary The Housewife and the Shawshaker

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Speaker 1: that Jen's life as a young girl growing up in

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Speaker 8: I remember her on one afternoon coming home from school.

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Speaker 8: Just bright, had a bright, bright, bright red tint to it.

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Speaker 8: And she said, I've scrubbed and scrubbed and scrubbed, and

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Speaker 8: it won't come off. And I said, we're talking about

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Speaker 8: what won't come off? She said, the kids is school

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Speaker 5: It won't come off.

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Speaker 8: And they saw her as different enough to ridicule her

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Speaker 1: But to Jen's credit, she quickly figures out a way

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Speaker 14: The first time I remember seeing Jen was when we

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Speaker 14: were at an assembly and out came this tiny Polynesian

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Speaker 14: And Jen was the center of attention, all eyes on her, cheering, applause,

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Speaker 14: screaming it was like you'd think the Beatles were in

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Speaker 1: you one of the people cheering.

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Speaker 14: I played the cello and did ballet, and I was

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Speaker 14: It was so fun to watch. I probably would never

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Speaker 14: have admitted that, and I don't know why, but I

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Speaker 14: everybody loved this. You know, when someone's a good dancer,

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Speaker 14: you just it captivates you. I can still see in

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Speaker 14: of insecurity. And then the lights came on, the music

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Speaker 14: We couldn't get enough of it. It could have just

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Speaker 14: I'm different everybody likes me and I'm special, more special, popular, cool, cheerleader,

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Speaker 14: And I think that kind of evolved into a confidence

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Speaker 1: And she was a cheerleader in school, like she go

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Speaker 14: Front and center, front and center because she was the

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Speaker 1: Jen Shaw was so popular in that high school and

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Speaker 1: in light of the scandal currently englfing her, most of

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Speaker 1: her classmates are refusing to talk to me. We reached

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Speaker 1: Some even take a Facebook commenting publicly on the Mountain

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Speaker 12: So how many of us received an email asking us

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Speaker 13: A depilling kind of girl.

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Speaker 12: Jen and I moved in different circles, but I always thought.

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Speaker 2: She seemed fun and nice.

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Speaker 15: I got one. I'm assuming they sent out mass messages

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Speaker 15: and somehow got a list of Mountain View High School graduates.

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Speaker 15: I was putting on ignoring it as well, not interested

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Speaker 15: and the last I've seen her was our five year reunion.

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Speaker 2: I still think of her as the very young girl

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Speaker 4: I got one as well. Not interested in becoming a

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Speaker 1: But there's one former student in that alumni group who's

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Speaker 1: refusing to talk for an entirely different reason.

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Speaker 14: I would never say anything about Jen. She scares me.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this woman watches the Real Housewives and knows all

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Speaker 1: too well how combustible Jenshaw can be.

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Speaker 6: Because you're an evil ass bitch that is pissed off

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Speaker 6: because her membership. But face tune ran out.

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Speaker 1: I do you think that Jen's crazy temper and belligerence

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Speaker 1: probably have something to do with her childhood. The racism,

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Speaker 1: the teasing, the being Mormon of it all. Jen's high

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Speaker 1: school classmate Amy Glenn, knows all too well the rigor

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Speaker 1: of that kind of life.

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Speaker 5: Are you Mormon?

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Speaker 14: Yes, I have six children living in Utah Valley, which

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Speaker 14: is often referred to as Happy Valley, which is predominantly Mormon.

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Speaker 14: The things that are normal about the world are viewed

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Speaker 14: as wrong here in this valley. This is a different

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Speaker 14: world for women. We live in a very patriarchal society

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Speaker 14: where you are absolutely supposed to follow the man's lead.

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Speaker 14: You bow your head and say yes to the man.

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Speaker 14: And that's how I was raised with my father, That's

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Speaker 14: how I was expected to be with my husband. That's

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Speaker 14: how I.

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Speaker 4: Was That was it.

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Speaker 14: It was complete submission. I tried with everything that I

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Speaker 14: had to follow his lead.

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Speaker 1: There are more than six million Mormons living in the

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Speaker 1: United States right now, and a sizeable chunk of them

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Speaker 1: reside in the state of Utah. Because Brigham Young founded

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and he was the second leader of

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Speaker 1: the Church of Latter day Saints. How would you describe

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Speaker 1: Mormonism to someone who's never heard of it.

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Speaker 14: Mormonism is an extremely family oriented, time consuming, money consuming investment,

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Speaker 14: and the emphasis is on pre earth life and where

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Speaker 14: you're going to go when you die, and that families

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Speaker 14: can be together forever, and we should have large families,

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Speaker 14: and we pay ten percent of all of our income

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Speaker 14: back to the church. You go three hours to church

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Speaker 14: every Sunday and then you have a couple of hours

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Speaker 14: of youth activities during the week. You're very committed to

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Speaker 14: this lifestyle of You didn't wear sleeveless clothes, you didn't

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Speaker 14: wear two piece swimsuits, you didn't wear short shorts. You

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Speaker 14: were supposed to be modest, and you didn't swear. You

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Speaker 14: were expected to not drink, not smoke, be morally clean.

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Speaker 1: Mormonism actually began in western New York in the eighteen twenties,

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Speaker 1: when a man named Joseph Smith is said to have

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Speaker 1: dug up some golden plates from a nearby hill inscribed

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Speaker 1: with strange writing that looked hieroglyphic. God is then said

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Speaker 1: to have helped Joseph Smith cipher those golden plates. And right,

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Speaker 1: have you.

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Speaker 5: Ever seen that musical the Book of Mormon?

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Speaker 14: No, I have not.

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Speaker 1: I saw it, and it was, It was brilliant, it

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Speaker 1: was hysterical, it was amazing.

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Speaker 7: I believe that y'all live on a planet pocum. I

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Speaker 7: believe that Jesus has is a planet well, and I

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Speaker 7: believe that the Garda mean he wasn't Jackson County, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: And all these things are in lyrics of songs that

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Speaker 1: the audience is laughing, thinking, oh, this is so funny,

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Speaker 1: but like it's true, Like that's what Mormons believe, right.

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Speaker 14: Yes, And when you say it like that, it really

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Speaker 14: does sound over the top, but it is exactly spot on. You,

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Speaker 14: as a member of the church, are expected to not

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Speaker 14: look up anti Mormon information. You're expected to only explore

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Speaker 14: the things that the prophets and leaders have said. To

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Speaker 14: listen to anti Mormon sentiment, you would be running the

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Speaker 14: risk of endangering your testimony, your testimony of the only

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Speaker 14: true Church on earth.

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Speaker 1: And Jen Shaw is a member of the only true

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Speaker 1: Church on Earth, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

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Speaker 1: day Saints, for most of her life, but in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties she attends the University of Utah and meets

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Speaker 1: the man who would become her husband and the father

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Speaker 1: of her children, Sharif Shaw, and ultimately it's her marriage

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Speaker 1: to Sharif that prompts Jen to walk away from Mormonism altogether.

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Speaker 6: My husband, Sharif is Muslim, but I was raised Mormon

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Speaker 6: and that's all I knew until five years into my marriage.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, hey, sure, If, why don't you convert to Mormonism?

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Speaker 6: And he was like, are you kidding me? They didn't

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Speaker 6: accept black people into the Mormon Church until in like

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Speaker 6: nineteen seventy something. That's when I started questioning, you know what,

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Speaker 6: I cannot sign up for a religion that didn't accept

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Speaker 6: my husband and my kids. That's the point when I

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Speaker 6: was like, Okay, I'm converting to Islam.

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Speaker 3: Asalama leka bitches.

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Speaker 1: Jen Shaw is correct. Up until the nineteen seventies, African

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Speaker 1: Americans were persona non grata in the Mormon Church, and

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Speaker 1: the Book of Mormon Musical confirms that fact.

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Speaker 7: And I believe that in nineteen seventy eight contains his

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Speaker 7: mind about black.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. As a teenager, Jen works as a nanny for

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Speaker 1: a doctor, and on the weekends she models at local

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Speaker 1: fashion shows and does photoshoots for various magazines and online publications.

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Speaker 1: But while attending the university of Utah. Jen gets pregnant

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Speaker 1: and eventually drops out to help support her husband, Sharif,

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Speaker 1: who's in law school at this point. In two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six, Jen starts working in the telemarketing industry and

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Speaker 1: she quickly rises up the ranks, eventually starting her own company,

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Speaker 1: and she starts making a lot of money. And it's

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Speaker 1: her wealth and lavish lifestyle that gets Bravo's attention when

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Speaker 1: they start casting for the Real Housewives of Salt Lake

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Speaker 1: City in late twenty nineteen and Jen starts building her team.

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Speaker 16: My job with Denshaw was styling her and also creating,

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Speaker 16: designing and sewing looks for her a lot of the

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Speaker 16: things that she needed for her Bravo life pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Kohajhnson is a fashion designer and stylist who Jen hires

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Speaker 1: to help her create the image you see on the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives. He had eyes and ears on everything Jen

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Speaker 1: was up to. He's also one of the reasons she

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Speaker 1: got caught.

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Speaker 10: I remember one time Stuart screwed up on some kind

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Speaker 10: of transaction or lost like about eight million, and Jen

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Speaker 10: was very upset and she came down to the office

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Speaker 10: late at night with Coach and they were both yelling

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Speaker 10: and scream at I am asking him where their money is.

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Speaker 1: What CoA Johnson is about to share has never been

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Speaker 1: shared with anyone before, and it's insane.

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Speaker 5: Would you call her a con artist?

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Speaker 13: I would just call her a con She's not very

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Speaker 13: much of an artist.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Queen of the Con and.

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Speaker 3: No, not yet, handle it.

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Speaker 8: Very sorry.

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Speaker 5: Who do you think recorded that video and released it?

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Speaker 13: That's a good question. I know everybody wants to say

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Speaker 13: it's me.

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Speaker 1: There's something that me being an employee of Jenshaw is

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Speaker 1: truly a terrifying experience.

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Speaker 10: Going through abuse and being assaulted the entire time and

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Speaker 10: berated the entire time.

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Speaker 13: Her life was in shamles. She was in chaos constantly.

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Speaker 10: It was a complete nightmare, and my colleagues had to

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Speaker 10: go through it myself, a lot of the people around

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Speaker 10: us had to suffer her wrath.

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Speaker 5: Looking back, did Jenshaw scam you?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 12: She did.

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