WEBVTT - Ep. 70: Pop Go the Spoon Censors 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.080 If you're gonna go full Canadian, you have to constantly apologize. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.000 I'm so sorry about that, but right away I put 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.640 my hand right over the whole clients had no idea, 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.840 They had no idea what just happened. You could probably 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.360 get away with living in your friends driveway longer because 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.439 he can just tell the neighbors like, yeah, that's my 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.360 buddy's boat. Do I blur the naughty bits on the 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.600 back of the spoon? Do I let it ride? I 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:36.800 haven't really decided yet. Good mornings generate anglers. And welcome 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.520 to Bend, the fishing podcast that once tried to patch 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.800 a pair of waiters with big lead chew and trailer 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.640 bearing grease. I'm Joe Surmelli and I'm Haden Samack, and 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.960 I was more of a bubble tape man myself. Oh 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.280 that's good, that's good. There's something wrong with bubble tape. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.000 How about razzles? Do you ever have a razzle? It's 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:59.080 candy than it's gum razzles? No, No, you never had 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.240 a razzle. You come out here, when you come back 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.240 at here and buying you some razzles? Um, anybody who's 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.680 had a razzle? You you were you were sure each 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.760 time it just wasn't going to become gum like you're 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.880 just about to swallow, and then suddenly it was gump. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.319 Total mind freak. Anyway, it cares about razzles. What's shaking 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.400 this week? We've got kind of a boat theme going 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.360 on here. We've got a sort of near death experience 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.800 on a boat, and then we've got a boat that 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.080 cheats death. It comes back from the dead, but is reincarnated, 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:32.360 um and isn't really a boat anymore, which which beat Yeah, exactly, 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.400 which beats the more common alternative of talking about restoring 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.920 a boat for ten years while it just disintegrates in 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.560 the backyard. You just you just gotta let those go sometime, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.759 you know, you just gotta give it up. Just let 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:50.320 it go. Man. Well, though, surprisingly the reincarnation of this 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.160 boat could be more appealing to the misses. We'll see, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.680 we'll see how that goes. Anyway. So, uh, before we 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.400 move on here, man, what's shaken? What's shaken on the 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.440 west side? Anything good? How you do one? Uh? You know, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.240 big game just kind of wrapped up here not too 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.280 long ago, so I'm kind of going through like that 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.680 reorganization process, and you know, my closet and all my 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.080 gear and getting all that ship squared away. So that means, um, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.400 I'm cutting up an elk. Can no longer be your 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.560 excuse when I call and you can't take the call. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.000 I got like four mule deer quarters in the freezer 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.840 right now I'm going to deal with at some later point. Um. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.799 You know, a lot of the trout water out here 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.960 fish is great all uh all winter long. So I'm 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.200 really looking forward to some winter fishing. Uh. Let's see, 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.160 I'm really really really looking if it gets cold enough, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.520 I'm really looking forward to some hard water. And you're 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.160 not going to believe this, but one of my best 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:49.079 buddies around here is our HR person, Christine. And see, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.120 I thought you'd be more surprised that, like, I had 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.920 a buddy in HR. I thought that would be like, 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.920 that's a power move at any company. You want to 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:03.200 be friends with the HR people. Good for figuring. I 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.920 just figured with the ship that we say, you'd be 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.959 surprised if NHR person took a shine to me. Uh. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.960 But anyhow, Christine's from Michigan and she's real into ice fishing. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.639 So we've been scheming to hit it hard this year 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.640 if it ever gets cold enough. Yeah, well, I know 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.120 it's been it's been kind of abnormally warm out there, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.360 right yeah. Well anyway, Uh, speaking of ice fishing, you 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.200 mentioned the other day that our friends at thirteen Fishing, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.080 our friends and sponsors, they actually did get you that 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.400 care package we talked about, right, Uh, yeah man, they Uh. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.080 One of our listeners wrote in the other day saying 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.680 that there's a lot of yeah man in these episodes, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.880 So yeah, man, there is. I forget who it is, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:48.200 but shout out to you guys. Anyhow, you said something 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.200 about getting me some gear a couple of weeks ago, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.920 and sure enough, the other day a couple of mysterious 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.760 boxes appeared on my doorstep full of ice fishing gear, 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.040 and I could not be more excited to get out 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.280 there and use it. Yeah. The thirteen guys are great. Um, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.480 what you get? What's your what's your favorite thing? What? What? 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:05.840 What was in the box? Tell me it was in 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.960 the box? That was your favorites in the box? In 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.000 the box? Phil drop that please? What's in the box? 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.000 What's in a box? Well, they sent me a couple 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.200 of like rod and real setups, and then I'm pretty 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:26.200 sure every single finesse, babe, they offer like literally literally 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:30.000 like every single one that they offer. I I just 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.120 love the look of that flash bang though. It's just 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.200 like fishy, So I like those. Uh. They also sent 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.640 some of those freefall omen combos, and who knows, man, 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.320 like I might even trick some folks into thinking I 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.640 know what I'm doing with all this gear. Anyhow. Yeah, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.159 as if I wasn't already looking forward to hard water, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.880 now I'm really looking forward to hard water. What have 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.080 you been up to? A little trout, little steel brown 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:58.719 trout had been pretty randy on a few of the 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.600 local rivers and just got back from the Niagara River, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.520 one of my favorite places to fish, and and we 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.560 we we messed up the lake trout pretty good and 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.560 had a nice little i'd say a smattering of steel. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.719 I could have used more steel, but they were just 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.680 being finicky because of the conditions. So I'm happy to 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.960 have just gotten a few um in the tough conditions. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.600 But yeah, man, I know you're headed back east soon, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.320 and I'm we've we've talked about it behind the scenes 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.160 and now publicly, like we should get out together and 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.839 float for those browns while you're home. Yeah, man, you know, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.320 I'd love to do that. Yeah, I could. I could 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.240 totally see that happening. I'll bring the I'll bring the 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.800 streamers and rods and stuff, and you you just, you know, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.040 bring whatever special items you need for fishing. They're gonna 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.640 be doing a lot of dube rolling when you're living 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:49.520 in a van down by the river. I am not high, 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.320 I know, I know, but I can't help. But it's 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.320 a thing now, it's just funny. Um. Anyhow, if we 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.720 get together to float, I will say, it will be 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.880 in the comfort of my trusty clack of craft, which 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.359 is of course a hard drift boat. I see what 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.360 you're doing. Yep. Now, if you, let's just say, hypothetically 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.240 you're on the fence about buying a raft or a 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.960 hard boat for all your floating needs, We've got a 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.960 smooth move for you this week with a colleague of 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:24.440 ours that just might sway you toward that fiberglass Why 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.080 all right, Joe, So, we got another one of my 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.000 friends from the Meat Eater office and here, uh he's 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:38.320 currently are what what do you social media manager? Communications coordinator? 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.280 What is it? The latter communications coordinator? We got the 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.640 communications coordinator in here with us. Uh. Corey Caulkins former 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.280 fly guide as well. Man, how are you? I'm good. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.440 How are you guys doing today? I think this is 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.359 terrific because again, like I work with Corey too, but 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.560 mostly through email. So having you out there and we're 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.800 finding out that all these people have these great fishy 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.840 story reason we're guides and stuff, it's terrific. Oh yeah, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.000 I mean like there's so much of the Mediator Office 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.320 really is made up of folks who just live this 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.920 ship in like a big way, you know what I mean? 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.200 Where were you guiding? Mostly? Man? Started out up in 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.120 northwest Montana in the Bob Marshall Wilderness for half my 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.880 career and then the last seven eight years down here 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.680 in Bozeman. So you guided in the northwest corner. So 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.680 is that like the Kootney Drainage. I've only ever been 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:31.720 up there once, not that far northwest? Uh, the Flathead drainages? Okay, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.160 got you all right? It sounds good. Okay, So that's um. 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.000 I feel like that's kind of the part of Montana 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.280 that not as many people go to. I'm sure you've 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.760 seen much more, many more crowds on the water when 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.000 you switched to guiding out of Bozeman than that part 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.280 of the state, right, Yeah, true, it's uh, it's still 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.160 a little bit of a secret. There's some secret streams 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.800 and corners up there, but there's not many secrets left anymore. Well, 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.120 I didn't. I didn't just spoil anything because Kutney is 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.520 pretty damn big river that's very hard to fish on foot, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.040 if I'm not mistaken. So that was not a burden, correct, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.840 not at all. So Quarry is with us this uh 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.160 this morning to uh to give us one of his 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:14.240 smoothest moves man. And this one, actually, Joe, it does 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:18.680 not come from a mega sport or it were a client. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:24.480 It comes from from our man, Corey himself. Yeah, this 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.800 was a very smooth move on a terrible act on 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.920 my part, very part of the state of which part 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.439 of Montana is this smooth move coming from the northwest 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.960 or the Bowsman area, the northwest on one of the 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:42.360 famed flathead drainages. So so lay it honest, man, because 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.480 I know Hayden knows this story, but I don't. I 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.800 have no idea what's coming. So I am very excited. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.120 So there's this one stretch of river that we float 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.640 the attapt to pack your raft down this really steep hill. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.160 It's a quarter mile. Takes about four trips. You roll 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.760 your raft up, put it on a hack frame, pack 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.320 it down the hill, go back up, which is the 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.000 worst part, just going back up the hill. Take your 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.640 frame down, which is extremely awkward, corners of the frame, 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.400 raft frame bouncing all the way down. Go back up 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.880 one more time for your gear. When you're at the bottom, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.800 pump up your boat. It's a long process to get 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.000 a boat in the water on this stretch. It's really 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.240 it takes a couple hours. You want to try and 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.320 be there before your clients, and then somebody drives your 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.040 clients there. If you have the energy, you walk back 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.920 up the hill, walk your clients down because it's kind 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.320 of a treacherous trail getting down. So we're I don't know, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.920 eleven am a third of the way through our trip, 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.520 catching plenty of cutthroat, and I think a client got 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.839 tangled up something. I had to drop anchor. So I 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.319 dropped the anchor in a not very good spot. Water 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.560 was a little fast, and hopefully other people can learn 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.600 from this one. I'm sure it's happened too many folks, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.360 But I dropped the anchor in between some slab rocks. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.959 Finish on tie and this not we're ready to go, 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:03.360 go to pull the anchor up. It's stuck, very wedge jammed. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.800 I've been here and it sucks. Yes. Asked the client 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.520 in the back to do what he can in the 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.520 back to pull on that thing. He can't get it. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.880 He's about to snap the collapsible chair in a half 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.520 trying to yank on this anchor rope. I'm back there 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.480 with him, trying to like hold him up and pull 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.440 the anchor rope at the same time. I actually asked 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.719 the kid in the front to row as hard as 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.440 he can upstream and while I pull on the anchor rope. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.959 It was a debacle, right, I'm sure we were stuck 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.720 there for fifteen minutes trying to get this thing unstuck. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.840 It came to the conclusion that anchor is staying right there, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.840 and I better cut the rope. I don't want to 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.320 just leave the rope, which maybe would have been smart, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.959 because the rope would have left to, you know, place 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.400 to come look later. The candy cane blue and white 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.120 long anchor rope. So I decided to cut the rope. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.120 So I break out my pocket knife and brilliantly cut 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:58.360 down on the rope and I sliced right through that rope. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:03.240 It's very sharp knife and punctured the raft, brand new raft. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.600 This was the second voyage for this raft, RS Otter. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:13.720 Oh no, so I sliced down instantly, but right away 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.439 put I put my hand out over the hole. Clients 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:23.120 had no idea, they had no idea of what just happened. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.560 So my hands on this hole, my hands shaking because 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.520 of so much air is trying to come out, and 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.920 I wrote us down about another quarter mile with one 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.120 hand on the oars, the other hand on this little 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.400 slit three slit and the brand new otter, and I 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.200 just go, guys, I think it's lunchtime. So we go 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.200 down to this spot pull over. At this point, the 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.840 whole back end of the boat's drooping pretty bad. Like 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.840 the guy in the back. They still not said anything 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.520 like do they still not know what's going on? Even 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.319 though they were back they were fishing still. I mean, 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.319 I'm rowing out one hand, so it's just like this 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.960 total oblivious nous. Yeah, they're fishing a clue. I just 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.280 really like crab strokes man. Yeah, it was it was 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.839 awkward rowing. Luckily it was an easy spot. In fact, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.880 I'm pretty sure they caught a couple of fish between 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.120 the knife incident. And yeah, it's pretty silly fishing back there. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.839 So we pull over do lunch, and luckily I had 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.959 a patch kid with me and had never actually had 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.160 to put this to work, but I knew exactly how 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.520 to patch that boat. Got are all patched up, pumped 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.240 it back up, they had lunch, We continued on our day. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.560 They had no idea that had ever happened. That is 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.800 like a smooth move in more way than one. It's 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.280 the smoothest kind of move, because that's what a good 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.040 guy does, like the best guide. It's like it's like 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.920 an airline pilot, Like you could be like crashing, but 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.000 like the good guy, like you will still be eating 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.480 your complimentary you know, pretzels and not have any clue, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.000 like like unless you're like death is eminent, like the 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.520 good ones know how to just keep that under wraps man, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.959 And there's so many great captain stories like that. We're 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.760 same deal, Like some catastrophic ship or potentially catastrophic shit 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.360 is happening right now, but as long as the clients 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.600 don't know, like you are doing your job so as 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.640 the smoothest kind of smooth move. The recovery was smoother 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.520 than the incident. It has everything a good smooth move has. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.360 Man it has like you know, a colossal cup, which 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.440 is like funny, and then it right like you said, 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:27.640 it has that perfect It's like airline captain quality poise. Well. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.640 I also think we can all identify Corey with with 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.800 with slicing the boats. It's one of those things that 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.000 in your head here like I would never do that, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.840 like that will never happen to me, Like I would 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.600 always have like no, not to have the sharp objects 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.440 going down into the raid because I ran a raft 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.840 for years before I got a hard boat, right, And 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.680 I was like, so I didn't trust other people with 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.200 hooks and things, right, but I trusted myself and I 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.240 was like, I know how to make sure I don't 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.040 pop this. So it's just one of those things that's 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.720 like you never think that's going to happen until it does. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.120 Like and I'm sure that was a split second of 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.240 cutting and you were just like, cannot believe I just 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.679 right now. I was so frustrated that I couldn't get 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.280 the anchor up I mean, I've gotten a wedged many times. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.800 It is probably my fifth year guiding, and we could 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:16.559 not get that thing up. It was driving me crazy, 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.520 as you know, the pyramid anchor, and it was so 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.680 rounded over it wasn't sharp anymore, and I could not 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.360 get it up. So I was like, oh screw this, 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.680 took out my knife and slashed. Isn't that when most 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.640 mistakes are made, when you're just in like a complete 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.760 fit of rage, you know what I mean? Like cool 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.360 heads prevail, although like I would have been just as 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.240 piste off about that, um and I've I've I've cut 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.120 off a few anchors before for the same reason. So 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.800 if anybody out there gets their anchor stuck, make sure 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:53.280 you cut up on your rope and not down. Man. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.680 I love Corey. That guy's genuinely one of the best 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:02.920 outdoors and I know, dare I say the best. I 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.280 respect for you guys are saying that you're breaking my heart. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.320 You said it. I don't know Corey as well as 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.280 you do, and he might be the best, like except 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.720 for that one time, just at one time, he wasn't 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.640 quite the best. Everybody slips up now and then sometimes 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.160 with a large knife anyway, h a guy like Corey 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.320 is like bound to have some smooth moves man. And 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.880 as far as like our smooth moves go, I think, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.400 like that's pretty high up he's done. It was pretty 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.360 smooth in the sense of like, you know, uh, cause 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.080 and effect. Like it was like a very clear, clear 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.680 cut part in the pun. Very good. Yeah, I like fun. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.600 That dude has done a bunch of really cool ship 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.640 as a guy. Uh, you know, just knowing him as 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.200 a buddy, you know, he's done a ton of back 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.560 country stuff, a lot of boats stuff, um, including I'm 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.600 pretty sure a bunch of trips on the Madison, which 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.720 gives us the perfect segue into a very special edition 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:04.800 of fish News. Fish News that escalated quickly, very quick 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.160 bit of housekeeping I have to share. Uh, we got 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:11.000 a bunch of notes about our Canadian themed show last week, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.560 all very nice, very nice. Um, but I got I 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.400 got a message from one listener and he says, Um, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.239 you didn't apologize enough, Like if you're gonna go full Canadian, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:28.960 you have to constantly apologize. Here, I'm so sorry about that. Yeah, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:30.680 so they up here, you hold he said, you hold 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.840 the door for somebody, and you apologize for doing it. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.720 Um so I got I gotta kick out of that anyway. Um, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.520 here's what's going on a little bit different spin on 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.280 news this week, Hayden, tell the good people exactly what's 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:50.080 going on here. So the fishing world, uh, you know, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.680 was kind of in the national headlines for a little 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.400 bit last week because of some recent events on the 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:59.800 Madison River. Um, as many you know, the Madison there 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.120 was a damn malfunction and in short, I mean we'll 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:05.600 get into it more in like the interview, but the 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:11.720 water levels dropped precipitously very quickly, and there was genuine 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.280 concern that this was going to result in some sort 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.000 of ecological like disaster for the Madison. Unluckily, it was 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.920 remedied fairly quickly, and the general consensus is this isn't 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.639 gonna be something with a lasting felt impact. That said, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.320 we felt as if it was like really important to 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.119 bring as much light as we could to the issue, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.280 not so much because it ended up being a really 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.000 horrible and serious thing, but more because there was so 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.040 much conversation surrounding it and we wanted to kind of 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.560 give people the bigger picture of what went on. Yeah. Yeah, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.719 So I was actually I was away when this happened. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.720 I just got back from three days on the Niagara River. Um, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.160 and you know how it is like when you're out 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.080 in the cold all day with your boys and you 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.080 get in and just want to go like eat you know, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.440 wings and drink beers. So like, I saw something going 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.080 on here. I caught a few of the headlines. I 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.239 saw it in kind of bits and pieces. But then 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.560 when I finally sat down and read the piece on 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.520 the Meat Eater website by our colleague Sam Longdren, I 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.000 was like, oh shit, right now, I know. Um, a 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.280 bunch of the Meat Eater team like jumped right into 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.280 action on on this and and went to ground zero, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:24.080 right Yeah, a bunch of our colleagues were immediately. I 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.640 was getting text left and right. Uh you know, Oh 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.240 we're going out. We're going out. Do you want to come? 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.720 You know? And I think that really speaks to it's 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.280 like a microcosm example of the response that was felt, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.280 you know, from all sorts of you know, different areas. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.800 I heard of people coming from as far as South Dakota, 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.679 you know, to go help. Yeah, well, I mean you 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.400 have to consider we're talking about one of the most 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.200 famous trout waters in the entire country, if not the world. Um, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.280 and that this also hits so close to home for 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.800 you and everyone else out in Bozeman. Um. You know, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.439 you had said I'd like to fire up a special 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.640 report on this, and I was all for that. So 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.080 who is joining us to tell everybody? So today we 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:08.119 have Andrew Welch. He is the leader in hydro power 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:14.359 license compliance for Northwestern Energy. And we also have John Way, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.320 who is the owner of the Tackle Shop in Ennis, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.840 which is the oldest fly shop in Montana. So yeah, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.800 I think we're gonna have a a really good conversation 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.720 and it's gonna bring to light a lot of like, 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:34.479 you know, problems that existed before, how we're dealing with 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.760 this particular problem and what we're gonna do to avoid 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.919 problems of a similar ilk in the future. Absolutely, So 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.240 we're gonna We're gonna talk to John and Andy and Phil. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.240 I'm not really sure who you're gonna judge with this one, Um, 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.200 but this wouldn't be bene if we didn't hear from Phil. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:55.600 So when this is all over, Phil surprised us. Alright, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.200 So today on the show, Joe and I are doing 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.360 a special edition of Fish News covering some recent events 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.880 on the Madison River that made national headlines. For those 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.600 of you who don't know, Last Tuesday, a malfunction at 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.359 the Hebgen damn uh caused the water to drop to 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.800 dangerously low levels on the Madison River. After the malfunction 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.760 was discovered, volunteers flocked to the Upper Madison and worked 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.200 to relocate fish stuck inside channels, while cruise from Northwest 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.600 Energy worked by all accounts, NonStop to restore flows. After 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.680 forty eight hours, the dam was fixed and the flows 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.879 river restored. With us today to talk about it, we 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:36.639 have two guests, John Way, owner of Montana's old owner 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.119 of Montana's oldest fly shop, the Tackle Shop in Ennis, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:44.199 and Andy Welch, leader of hydro power Licensed compliance for 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.239 Northwest Energy. How is it going, guys? How are you 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.320 happy to be here? I appreciate you guys taking the 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.040 time to be here so much. This is this is terrific. Yeah, 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.119 for real, Um, It's something that a lot of folks 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.720 are deeply concerned about, and it's kind of like a 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.840 nuanced issue to unpack. And so it happened like two 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.480 experts like yourselves. He's going to be I think hugely 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.159 valuable to clarifying a lot of like the situation. It 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.240 also makes it feel like we have a grown up podcast. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.800 We're not just grabbing ridiculous news stories, all right, So look, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.640 let's sort of get like right down to it. Uh, Andy, 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.480 I want to start with you, man, Can you walk 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.920 us through exactly like what went wrong? Sure? Yeah, thanks 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:32.040 for having me this morning. I appreciate it, you bet so. Yeah, 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.640 the the malfunction that the damn was was caused by 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:41.800 a coupler that broke essentially, and so the shaft that 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:47.520 controls the outflow gate at Hebgen became in two pieces. 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:50.639