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Speaker 1: haven't really decided yet. Good mornings generate anglers. And welcome

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Speaker 1: to Bend, the fishing podcast that once tried to patch

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Speaker 1: a pair of waiters with big lead chew and trailer

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Speaker 1: bearing grease. I'm Joe Surmelli and I'm Haden Samack, and

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Speaker 1: I was more of a bubble tape man myself. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's good, that's good. There's something wrong with bubble tape.

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Speaker 1: Total mind freak. Anyway, it cares about razzles. What's shaking

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Speaker 1: this week? We've got kind of a boat theme going

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Speaker 1: which beats the more common alternative of talking about restoring

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Speaker 1: fish is great all uh all winter long. So I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm really really really looking if it gets cold enough,

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Speaker 1: buddies around here is our HR person, Christine. And see,

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Speaker 1: So we've been scheming to hit it hard this year

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Speaker 1: Where were you guiding? Mostly? Man? Started out up in

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Speaker 1: there were fish, sculpins UM all that kind of trapped

425
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: in those pockets because the water came down quick enough

426
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: that they couldn't escape back to the main channel. And

427
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: this was all pretty much UM between the lakes between

428
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: head Get and Quake Lake. Below Quake Lake, UM, conditions

429
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: came down I think more more gradually and so those

430
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: fish had time to move. So the real uh stress

431
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: area I believe was between head Getting Quake Lake. Sure. Well,

432
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: just quick follow up to that, like in terms of

433
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: stressing the fish, right, I would imagine that that sort

434
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: of one thing on the side of all this, on

435
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: the good side, was that this happened in the winter.

436
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: I imagine this would have been a much bigger issue

437
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: had it happened in the middle of the summer. Right, Oh, absolutely,

438
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: at least in our our respect. But the brown trout

439
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: had just finished spawning, so there were reds all, you know,

440
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: quite a few reds in that upper section. Um that

441
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: did get dried out, and so that that's one of

442
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: the big concerns moving forward. And Andy, I'm sure you

443
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: saw a similar thing kind of going down there. Yeah,

444
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. Um, you know it, it

445
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: could have been a lot worse than a lot of

446
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: different circumstances. You know, the heat of the summer would

447
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: have been pretty catastrophic for fish and aquatic life there.

448
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: But also if it would have been a lot colder

449
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: and we would have had all of these exposed areas

450
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: freezing up overnight, and that can also be much more

451
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: detrimental than the conditions we saw. And so it was

452
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: actually with the lack of a very short freezing and

453
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: uh cooler temperatures, things would have held their moisture for

454
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: a longer period of time. And and we I think

455
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: we were rather fortunate relative to that, right, I think

456
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: we can all agree that we did get lucky in

457
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: that sense. Uh. It seems like it seems like a

458
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: lot of the it seems like the biggest problem in

459
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: the eyes of a lot of folks was the river

460
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: falling while operators worked on the assumption that it was

461
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: an instrument glitch. Um to be like kind of just

462
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: blunt with it, I is, how come somebody just didn't

463
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: go out and check on it? Yeah, So you know,

464
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: it's that's a very complicated question relative to operating a

465
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: facility like this. Um, what it comes down to have

466
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: agin as a you know, it's a remote facility. We

467
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: don't have someone there, man, So we have a lot

468
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: of instrumentation in place to monitor what's going on, and uh,

469
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, are the way things are set up. We

470
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: did not have indication right away that, um, there was

471
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: an actual problem within the damn facility itself. And so

472
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: we saw the U S G S gage. There's a

473
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: lot of history with U S G S gages going

474
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: up and down and and uh, and so one of

475
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: the first things we did was looked to see do

476
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: our controls show any change from what we saw yesterday essentially,

477
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: and then if no, can we verify this is a

478
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: real condition on the ground, call usgs UM you know,

479
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: have them check their instrumentation UM to see if if

480
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: the U S g S was real. From that point on,

481
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: we sent people as fast as we could get them

482
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: up there to get on site and get eyes on

483
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: the ground. We do have cameras at the facility, they're

484
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: more facility based, and so those were limited to our

485
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: value of actually looking at the river conditions down below.

486
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: And then we started receiving notifications from outside folks that

487
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: showed pictures and stuff like that that we were like, okay,

488
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: this is real, um, and we that's when we started

489
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: our response. So this brings up kind of like an

490
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: important point. Uh, there are there are a lot of

491
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: reports saying that people tried to get in touch with

492
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: Northwestern for you know, some folks estimated as many as

493
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: like twelve hours between when this was noticed and when

494
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: you know they actually got through. Could you speak to

495
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: that at all? Yeah, you know, it's that's a really

496
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: hard question to respond to in the way that who

497
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: knows where they were calling who they're trying to contact.

498
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: But you know, we we do stop by flas shops

499
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: um about quarterly with our my staff. We leave our

500
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: contact info. UM. We you have websites for the Madison

501
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: that you know has some contact info. So um. I truth,

502
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: we don't understand who they might have been trying to

503
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: get ahold of M. But I'd have to have more

504
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: information obviously to evaluate what really happened. Yeah, and see,

505
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: I also think that's a little unfair, right, But one

506
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: thing you said about the the gauges that that sort

507
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: of resonates with me just because not just you guys,

508
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: but everybody fisherman in general put so much stock and

509
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: like you're always looking at gauges on your phone and

510
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: wind gages and all these things, and like we we

511
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: we we take that to heart. But in reality it

512
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: just goes to show that sometimes those things are wrong,

513
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you need to have

514
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: eyes on the ground, or or even in fishing scenario

515
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: where it says the river is doing this, it might

516
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: not be. So it just sort of it's like a

517
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: little like how reliant we are on on those kinds

518
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: of things, you know what I mean? I totally agree

519
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's equipment. It can malfunction, it needs

520
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: to be adjusted to calibrate it. There there's all sorts

521
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: of things with us G S gauges. They do have

522
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: a good alarm system set up on those. It just

523
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: happens to be that the Madison River below Hepgin we

524
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: have a minimum flow of a hundred cfs that's allowed

525
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: by our license, and so we have alarm set. Like

526
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: for me personally, I have a USGS alarm set at

527
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: that level. We didn't quite drop that low, so that

528
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: alarm was never triggered. It was the rate of change

529
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: that was the catastrophic impact, but it wasn't necessarily the

530
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: full low level of discharge from the facility that would

531
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: cause us to be alarmed. Sure, and I think another

532
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: important thing to remember too. And John, I'm sure you

533
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: could you could speak to this, but um, you know,

534
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: there's there's so many damns like this all over the country,

535
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: so many a lot of fisheries have this here, and um,

536
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, anglers come to rely on these tail waters.

537
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: They're great fishing. Um. But you also can't forget that

538
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: then it puts sort of humans between you and the wild.

539
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Like if you have these things and a lot in

540
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, these damns create such great, great

541
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: trout fishery ease. But um, you know there are people

542
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: operating those and it is it is mechanical and things

543
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: are going to happen from from time to time. Now,

544
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: no real quick, before we get there. John's trying to

545
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 1: get a word in edge. I'm sorry, guys, and I

546
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, Joe. You know, the masison

547
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: is so great because of the damn. We're always kind

548
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: of really blessed with that clean cold water that flows

549
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: all year. And something you said, Andy, Um, the minimum

550
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: flow required is a hundred. Is there any plan going

551
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: forward to to bump up those alarms to maybe two

552
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: or three gfs so you guys have a better idea

553
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: or more insight UM on a quicker basis. Yeah, for sure.

554
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: I actually already adjusted by water alert for the U

555
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: S g S. But yeah, there's there's there's certain essentially

556
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: stages associated with the different levels of cfs that we're

557
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: releasing from Ebgin that um have different impacts on the

558
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: river there and you know a hundred and see it

559
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: it's a hundred and fifty cfs is are low UM

560
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: and then six hundred cfs at Kirby, which is downstream

561
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: at Quake Lake. UM. So you know, there's there's definitely

562
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a follow up on this to look at

563
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: not just alarms, but everything in the mix on you know,

564
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: what we can do to prevent the equipment failure, what

565
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: we can do to respond in a more quick and

566
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: controlled manner. There's also gonna be UM looks at just

567
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: impacts everything you can think of, and all of those

568
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: well being brought into context and say, okay, what do

569
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: we do next time that would alert us quicker be

570
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: able to have us respond quicker. UM. But for instance,

571
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: you know below Hebgin, somewhere around three cfs is where

572
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: that first side channel in the corner right there starts

573
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: to lose flow, and so we manage it the best

574
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: we possibly can to not go below that UM and

575
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: a six hundred cfs at Kirby onfs all the way

576
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: downstream it and it's UM really drive how much water

577
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: we're releasing from Hegan. So I think it's important to

578
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: note that like this story is not as much about

579
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: an environmental catastrophe as it is a close call. And

580
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: I think the reason that it was a close call,

581
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: was because delayed or not. Once the issue was recognized

582
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: by you know, volunteers and Northwestern, Um, the response was

583
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, pretty swift and decisive. And you know, I

584
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: think like that like kind of ought to be you know, celebrated.

585
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: So John, I want to start with you, and then

586
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: I want to go back to you. Andy. Uh, John,

587
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: can you describe the volunteer response? And then Andy, Uh,

588
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: you know the same question to you. Can you talk

589
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: about Northwestern's response? Yeah? Absolutely, Um, the volunteer response was

590
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: pretty overwhelming, you know. UM, and I believe it was

591
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of driven by social media. It really kind of

592
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: shows the power of social media. Uh, every fly shop,

593
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: every outfitter from west Ellstone all the way down to

594
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: Bozeman here, Uh put something out that this was this

595
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: was an issue. There was this rescue effort to try

596
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: to help save these fish that were trapped. UM, please

597
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: show up and help and and uh the response was

598
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Um that I think it was Wednesday. I

599
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: drove up the valley and every parking spot had three

600
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: or four cars in it, you know, with people out

601
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: with nets and buckets and and trying to save a

602
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: few fish and Um, it really shows the power of

603
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: of social media. And I believe you know, within six hours,

604
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: everybody you know in the fishing community coast to coast

605
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: knew what was going on and and knew what the

606
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: next step would be. It was pretty overwhelming. Yeah, yeah,

607
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: And what do I want to talk a little bit

608
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: about Northwestern? Yeah, I'll just follow up on that to

609
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: it's I was there Wednesday morning early and U met

610
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of the volunteers all the Madison Foods parking

611
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: lot and kind of gave an update what was going on.

612
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: But the response was absolutely humbling. Um, just to see

613
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: everybody from all over there come into a place and

614
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: be respectful to the situation and also just trying to

615
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: be there to help, you know. And and that was

616
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: a pretty big deal, I would say, And it was

617
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: it was just a um, it was a kind of

618
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: an overwhelming experience to see that. And we had a

619
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: bunch of Northwestern staff there to to volunteer too. Is

620
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, this is the lifeblood of our lives too,

621
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, we we live in Montana for a reason.

622
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: And uh we uh we actually made a change of

623
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: plans and just said okay, let's let's support the supporters

624
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: here from a Northwestern perspective, So how about we just

625
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: go and start distributing refreshments and talk to people, and

626
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: and it was. It was a really great day all

627
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: on all considering the circumstances that brought it forward. So

628
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: and I have to say, Andy, I I give kudos

629
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: to Northwestern Energy. You know, you guys were were in

630
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: the parking lot at Madison Foods. I believe the president

631
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: of the company even came down to n S and

632
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: and I mean he didn't have to do that, you

633
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: guys didn't have to do that, and even being on

634
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: this podcast, you guys, I mean didn't have to but

635
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: it shows a level of commitment going forward and commitment

636
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: to the resource. So I appreciate that. It's it's you know,

637
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: we manage these things for you know, benefit of the resource,

638
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: but we see it as a privilege to generate electricity

639
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: from the water there too. So those are kind of

640
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: level of priorities and I think you'll find that from

641
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: the top down in the company. John, I gotta ask

642
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of a kind of a little bit tougher controversial question,

643
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: right because I feel like this is a this is

644
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I have to ask this, So what we've seen here

645
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: in the face of crisis is like this extreme coming together, volunteers, anglers,

646
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: everybody out there working for one calls. Right, But it's

647
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: also no secret that I mean, the Madison has just

648
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: gained this reputation of being so overcrowded. I mean, it's

649
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: been in the New York Times, right, I mean they've

650
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: run articles about the uptick in track fick on that

651
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: river and how insane it's gotten. So do you see

652
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: this as, at least on a local level, something that

653
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: come next summer or next spring when the season really

654
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: kicks back in hardcore? I mean, I think it's fair

655
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: to say that you have guides out there who make

656
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: their living their pitching in the help, right, That's that's

657
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: that's that's their livelihood. But then you have all these

658
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, tourists and locals and all these people who,

659
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: in another breath, some guides could be like, man, these

660
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: are the people who are clogging up the river and

661
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: making this place crazy. So what does this do for

662
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: sort of long term pr on the river? Is this

663
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: now sort of like do we go back to the

664
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: in fighting with the crowds, or is this the moment

665
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: to be like, well, look, okay, they bug us. There's

666
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people whatever it may be, but when

667
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: it came down to brass tacks, we're all out here

668
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: helping keep this going. Yeah, that's a good question, Joe,

669
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: and something I've thought about as well. You know, you

670
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: go Fourth of July weekend and her thirty boats putting

671
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: in Alliance Bridge, and the average tour or Montana resident

672
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: wants to go float with their family on July fourth,

673
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: and and here they are. I understand where that anst

674
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: comes from. Um, and I understand where the bad vibes

675
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: to guides are because that's what they see. They see

676
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: us out there, they see us in the parking lot,

677
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: they see us on the river, and that's all they see.

678
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: But I hope now they see this as well. Where

679
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: the outreach was from the guidan outfitter community. Yeah, to

680
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: you came, you know, was it was a big part

681
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: of it, and you know, everybody pulled together, but a

682
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: large part of that outreach and a large part of

683
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: of those volunteers were from the guiding outfitter community who

684
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: dropped everything and I mean and ran up there. So

685
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: I hope this is a great opportunity for the public

686
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: to gain a little more faith in the uh the

687
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: outfitting community. Andy, I would ask, like, what's what's the

688
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: lesson here for other fisheries and other places here? Like,

689
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: what's what's the takeaway? That's a tough one. You know,

690
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: the Madison is a unique place, UM, with conditions there.

691
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: It's amazingly beautiful, free flowing reached between the two dams.

692
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: That just gives it some character and and there's a

693
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: lot of things to balance there from you know, recreational

694
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: and outfitted use to you know, Northwestern making sure we're

695
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: managing things right. So UM, I think the best thing

696
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: to kind of get out there is just you know,

697
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: how are we communicating what's getting done out there from

698
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: all parties and and that way we can manage it

699
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: the best we can. Um. You know, with so many

700
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: vested interest in the health of the fishery there, it's

701
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: that it doesn't seem like you could do anything reasonable alone, obviously,

702
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: and that's been showed through the process the last few years.

703
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: There's there's got to be that equilibrium though that you

704
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: know that well the resource will support the use and

705
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what that is and in this

706
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: ever change environment is is something that everybody has to

707
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: get together on So we're gonna wrap it up here

708
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: in just a second. But before we do, I I

709
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to, Yeah, you put out a call

710
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: for listener questions, didn't you? I did? I did. Um.

711
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: We're kind of gonna boil those down into some more

712
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: assiscinct questions because basically everybody asked the same ship um

713
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: uh First, UM, what would you guys say to folks

714
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: that are in New York that are reading about this

715
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: and think the sky is falling? You know, John, what

716
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: would you say? Andy? What would you say? I think, Um,

717
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: we we we almost had a catastrophe. I don't think

718
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: we did. I think you know, the swift action of

719
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: the volunteers, Northwestern Energy and Fishwife and Parks all um

720
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: prevented a pretty big catastrophe from happening. Um. I worry

721
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: about the long term biological impact um on brown trout,

722
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: aquatic invertebrates, and that especially in that stretch between the lake.

723
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: But you gotta remember, this is a three to four

724
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: mile stretch that was really affected. The Madison is sixty

725
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: miles long here. There is a huge portion of of

726
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: that river that that is not affected. The Madison is

727
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: still a great place. It's still gonna have lots of fish. Um,

728
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna learn a few things, I hope, and the

729
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: sky has not fallen yet, ye and yeah, I totally

730
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: agree um with that perspective. Um. Obviously, going forward, Northwestern

731
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: is going to do what we can to analyze exactly

732
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: what happened at this situation and and come up with

733
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: some corrective actions that we you know, fully intend to implement.

734
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: But then also, you know, talking about the long term fishery,

735
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: you know this this is a challenging one in the

736
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: way that we don't have good baseline data for fish

737
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: in this exact reach below he gain between having in

738
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: the quick and so we're gonna have to come up

739
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: with some, uh with some ideas with our partners on

740
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, what can be done here to really evaluate

741
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: the impact, because undoubtedly there's going to be an impact, um,

742
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: you know, but what that is and in the the

743
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: impact in the overall fishery and the long term is

744
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: is a whole different question. And so I think that uh,

745
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, to answer that is it's going to take

746
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, some kind of specialized folks putting their heads

747
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: together to to figure that out. The positive thing is

748
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: we we do have a macro invertebrate sampling spot right

749
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: down in this reach, and so we'll be able to

750
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: track that and we have twenty years of data directly

751
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: in that area to be able to compare and see,

752
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not there's an impact of the bugs.

753
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: If there is, how long it persists, those sorts of things,

754
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: so we can get an idea of how you know,

755
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: the resiliency of the the river there is is reacting.

756
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: And then the third piece I will say too is

757
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, we we've long standing how to program in

758
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: the Madison to to provide mitigation enhancement measures for the

759
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: impacts caused by the dams. And it's a perfect framework

760
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: to to be able to look at some of this

761
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: stuff to develop some potential projects to help out and uh,

762
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: you know it's it's a very viable way to to

763
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: respond to this once we do understand exactly what the

764
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: impact maybe. And you know, it's we've spent a lot

765
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of money over the is you know, about six and

766
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: a half million since two thousand investing on projects on

767
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: the Madison and so that will always continue and hopefully

768
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: we can you know, make some meaningful impact that will

769
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: help out this reach. So andy, um, moving forward, is

770
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: there is there a plan in place right now for

771
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: increased sampling, increased biological work to to figure out what

772
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: effects might have had? Um or is your more money

773
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: shut a shide for that anything like that? Is that

774
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: into works At this point, I would say the discussions

775
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: have started on how we need to kind of start

776
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: talking about this. Frankly, we're we're getting our breath right now. Um.

777
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: Northwestern did a full on, full court press on this.

778
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: In the forty eight hours that we had with limited

779
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: FLOWCA went out of Hedgin. I think I slept six hours. UM.

780
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: It was. It was a pretty wild situation. I'll tell you.

781
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: Tuesday night at ten o'clock, we had twenty five people

782
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: on a zoom call, um, you know, trying to figure out.

783
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: We had divers, we had engineers, we had our environmental staff.

784
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: It was. It was a full on effort to do

785
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: the best we could to get those situations remedied as

786
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: fast as possible. Now that we have that done, I

787
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: think we take a quick breath and be very diligent

788
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: and purposeful on how we go about trying to figure

789
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: out what the impact maybe and then respond with some

790
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: sort of action after that, and and I don't want

791
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: to promise anything right now on exactly how that will look, um,

792
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: but obviously there's there's some follow up that's needed in

793
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: Northwestern's committed to doing that, all right, guys, Well, you know,

794
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: thank you both so much for taking the time to

795
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: talk with us. So nice to get insight directly from

796
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 1: you guys on something that so many people are reading

797
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: about on social media and elsewhere. This has been great.

798
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: I think it's going to clear up a lot of

799
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: ship for folks, um, you know. I I think it's

800
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: going to be valuable. I think this might be a

801
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: very very valuable bit official news joke. I think so too,

802
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: perhaps one of our most valuable. Again, it was really

803
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: it was nice to change, get up and not just

804
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: talk to each other. Have some some people here with

805
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: some more interesting things to say than just you and

806
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: I do so and real quick, I gotta ask and

807
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: you are you a are you? And angler yourself? I

808
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: am man. I do a little mixed bag. I find

809
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: myself out on reservoirs a little bit right now with

810
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: a three year old. She's not quite proficient at wade

811
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: fishing yet, so but we're working on it. Quick tip

812
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: on that, don't buy the three year old waiters because

813
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: by the time she's four, they won't fit anymore. That's

814
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: I bought them and like she got to wear them

815
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: once and then by the next time, it's like, oh, ship,

816
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: these don't even fit you anymore. So tip of the week.

817
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for that. I always appreciate parenting tacks like that.

818
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: All right, well, thanks again for coming on, guys. Appreciate you, guys,

819
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for having us. You know, there was

820
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: a chance for that to get sort of combative, and

821
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: it didn't. That was a very nice conversation. Both those

822
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: guys were super on point. I'm I'm really glad we

823
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: did that. Yeah, me too. Um, I'm really glad that

824
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: we kind of took the time to tuck into that

825
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of folks were like pretty freaked out,

826
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's important that we all kind of

827
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: come to the table and have a balance talk about

828
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: what happened, you know, why the sky didn't exactly fall,

829
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: but also not forget to really highlight what we just avoided. Yeah,

830
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: to be clear, like this really could have been it

831
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: could have been catastrophic, horrible. Uh as far as I'm concerned,

832
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of burned or get out of

833
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: jail free card. If the weather had been different, if

834
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: they couldn't have gotten the damn fixed quickly, if it

835
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: had been a different damn, if a whole host of

836
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: things had happened, this could have been just terrible. Yeah,

837
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: And I think it's also you have to point out that,

838
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: as much as I like to take shots at social media,

839
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: right everybody has bad shits say about social media. Prime

840
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: example of how social media helped this situation very very quickly.

841
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: So for all the bad that we say comes from it,

842
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: here is a great example of some good. And that

843
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: was a really interesting report. So we're gonna hear from Phil, which,

844
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: since he's not judging, perhaps just pontificating, this is like

845
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: a wrapped present under the tree. It's a surprise, right um.

846
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: And speaking of stuff to put under the tree, Right

847
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: after Phil, we're gonna hit the sale bin because we've

848
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: got a one of a kind item just begging to

849
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: have a giant bow put on it in your driveway.

850
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to our inaugural episode of Ask a

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Speaker 1: three year Old about fishing? Hey, three year old, what

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Speaker 1: do you think it is cooler Wally I or Wally Wally.

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Speaker 1: There you have a folks, Wally the robot who picks

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Speaker 1: up trash in a post apocalyptic earth, cooler and better

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Speaker 1: than Wally. Back to you, why did you put the

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Speaker 1: hand to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man?

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Speaker 1: What you didn't have to be so hurtful with me?

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Speaker 1: So angry? Al right, throw up hands west side flash

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Speaker 1: gang symbol whatever that is, uh, because that's where we're

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Speaker 1: going for this installment of sail ban. And today's item

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Speaker 1: keeps up with a sail bin trend, albeit a very

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Speaker 1: subtle one that most people I don't think would pick

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Speaker 1: up one. And what is that? So I'm fairly certain

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Speaker 1: that every single West Coast silban we've done has been

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Speaker 1: for some sort of shelter and or alternative to like

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Speaker 1: a traditional family home. I'm pretty sure. Oh you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: the population is exploding in California. Um. We're also looking

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Speaker 1: in like mostly like fishing classified. And I think that

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Speaker 1: the people who peruse fishing class sufides are like they're

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Speaker 1: typically a certain level of broke, yeah, or trying to

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Speaker 1: live off the grid or of a taxes something like that. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: that's true anyway. So this is coming from the Pacific

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Speaker 1: Northwest specifically UM and and we've had from the same region.

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Speaker 1: We once had a listing for an ice shanny that

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Speaker 1: literally is that what they call like a meth trailer

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Speaker 1: out there. I don't know people from the Pacific Northwest

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Speaker 1: let us know, um, but it literally it fell off

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Speaker 1: a cliff. Like the photo in the post was a

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Speaker 1: dude standing at the top of the cliff shooting down

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Speaker 1: on this busted up thing, and the post was just

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Speaker 1: like free if you're willing to climb down there and

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Speaker 1: get it. So that was one. And then there was

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Speaker 1: very early on in Bent history, there was a camper

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Speaker 1: that was turned into a boat and there was one

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Speaker 1: photo of it on like a beautiful Sunday afternoon floating

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Speaker 1: with all these these these young people partying on it.

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Speaker 1: But then the rest of the follow up shots were

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Speaker 1: just the interior and you could tell it had been

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Speaker 1: sitting in a yard forever and it's just like completely

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Speaker 1: covered in mildew and black mold. That's how they were

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Speaker 1: trying to entice you. You know, man, that black moles

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Speaker 1: ship is uh. It brings up a memory or two.

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Speaker 1: Man h In my like really, yeah, in my apartment

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Speaker 1: or what. No. No. When I was a musician, I

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Speaker 1: was working at this one recording studio and I could

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Speaker 1: have my own like private writing room. I just had

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Speaker 1: to fix it up. And there was a bunch of

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Speaker 1: black mold in that which, just in case you guys

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Speaker 1: are paranoid like me, black mold is actually not like

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Speaker 1: a neurotoxin. It is something that can triggered like asthma

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Speaker 1: and respiratory ship but it's like long term, it won't

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Speaker 1: hurt you. So all you grunge kids, you know, listening

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Speaker 1: from your party house, uh in the basement, don't worry

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Speaker 1: too much, man, but you know, do do clean it up? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean I think it's one of those it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's one of it's one of those things like radon

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Speaker 1: in homes. I think people probably worry a little too

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Speaker 1: much about you know what I'm saying. This could be

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Speaker 1: horrible advice which we put what we should and this

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Speaker 1: is also why we're not the home improvement podcast, So

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Speaker 1: please keep that in the consideration. I don't listen to

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Speaker 1: this and be like Seahune, I don't have to get

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Speaker 1: rid of any of that black mold in the kid's room.

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Speaker 1: Joe and Hayden said, it's fine. Um, anyway, we're getting

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Speaker 1: way off here. This entry comes from Bent listener Mark

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Speaker 1: Jeraldlammy in Portland, Oregon, and he found it on Facebook

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Speaker 1: Marketplace and it is the exact opposite of a camper

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Speaker 1: turned into a boat. Exact opposite. Uh. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a boat turned into a camper. And before we

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Speaker 1: even like dive into it, it's legitimately nicer than a

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Speaker 1: couple apartments of lived in Dude, I got I gotta

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, unlike the jan kee ass camper boat,

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Speaker 1: someone puts some extreme love and money into the boat camper. Uh.

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Speaker 1: A matter of fact, it's so nice that the title

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Speaker 1: of the listings suggests this could also be a tiny house.

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Speaker 1: I think. I guess tiny houses are still a thing.

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Speaker 1: You could just live here, you just live in it.

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Speaker 1: To let you know, Joe, As long as pinterest is

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Speaker 1: a thing, tiny houses will continue to be. I'm curious, man,

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Speaker 1: tell me sell me on this tiny house. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: this interest. So this thing started its life as a

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Speaker 1: twenty one ft sea swirl. And while it doesn't say

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Speaker 1: what year, I'm gonna guess by the looks and style

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Speaker 1: it's late eighties, maybe early nineties. And here's what the

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Speaker 1: description says. This old c squirrel speedboat, which is inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: It's more like an express style boat has been has

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Speaker 1: been converted into a camper slash, tiny home trailer, brand

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Speaker 1: new living space. It's one long vinyl floors, all new

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Speaker 1: appliances and that he's not kidding. It has like stainless

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Speaker 1: steel fridge in it, like they're nicer than the applying

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Speaker 1: Is it in my kitchen right now? Um? In floor

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Speaker 1: storage hot cold water, both electric and propane heat, propane stove,

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Speaker 1: dual tanks, air conditioning. It's got an air like a

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Speaker 1: window unit air conditioner, UH standard house outlet for power,

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Speaker 1: but also is set up to easily add a battery

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Speaker 1: bank and solar panels to be more off the grid.

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Speaker 1: Plenty of infloor storage for batteries, water tanks, et cetera

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Speaker 1: standard garden hose attachment for both waterline and drain designed

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Speaker 1: to easily remove the closet space if you want to

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Speaker 1: add a bathroom. You can actually see where like whoever

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Speaker 1: built this, you know, chopped the front deck because I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm looking at the thing as you're describing

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Speaker 1: to be full disclosure for our listeners, and and most

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Speaker 1: of the console off, and then they've raised it to

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Speaker 1: create more headroom inside, like like imagine like creating a

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Speaker 1: gap between the hull and the deck. And then they yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's a lot of work. It's almost as

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Speaker 1: if they made the wall is like taller and the

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Speaker 1: boat's original windshield is now like a picture window. You know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty brilliant. It's pretty brilliant. And if you can

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Speaker 1: picture the notch that would be cut out of a

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Speaker 1: boat transome to accommodate the outboard, the door is just

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Speaker 1: built into that notch, so like that's like now the

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Speaker 1: space for the full size walk up to the door.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's cool. Yeah. What I actually think is

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Speaker 1: most brilliant is that if you were just driving through

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Speaker 1: a neighborhood and saw this back into a driveway at

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Speaker 1: a quick glance, it just looks like a boat totally.

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Speaker 1: You could probably get away with living in your friends

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Speaker 1: driveway longer because he can just tell the neighbors that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's my buddy's boat. It's also extremely economical, which is

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Speaker 1: not something that you can often say about boats. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: very much, no money pits exactly. Yeah. Here, here's what

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Speaker 1: the post like continues on to say, insurance on the

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Speaker 1: trailer is four dollars per year, four dollars. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: still needs to paint and finishing touches, but it's ready

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Speaker 1: for like whatever customizations you want to throw at it.

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Speaker 1: So he's asking for I'm sorry, that good of a deal,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna see it's it's still worth it fifteen dollars,

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Speaker 1: which honestly, I'd hesitate to say is a bad deal,

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Speaker 1: particular when you're talking about housing. But the very best

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Speaker 1: part is that the disclaimer at the very end, in

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Speaker 1: parentheses reads, this is no longer a boat. It will

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Speaker 1: not float. There is no motor, no mechanisms. It's a camper,

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Speaker 1: not a boat. No trades, no takes backs. It's camper.

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Speaker 1: Not about I. I kind of love this, I truly do.

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Speaker 1: My My only hesitation would be that you're still pulling

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Speaker 1: it on what looks like a kind of okay shape

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Speaker 1: roller trailer, and um, I mean trailers break eventually. Trailers

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Speaker 1: have their own issues, so um, you know, if it

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Speaker 1: no longer floats, the only way to swap trail trailers.

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Speaker 1: If anything happened, I guess would be to find a

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Speaker 1: boatyard with a lift to lift it off there. You

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Speaker 1: can't just like dump it off in the in the

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Speaker 1: lake for a sec to swap out trailers. Um And

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like true campers are built

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Speaker 1: on beefier frames than your your average boat roller trailer.

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Speaker 1: But this is a minor concern, right whatever. Bottom line,

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Speaker 1: If I was like twenty two again and trying to

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Speaker 1: start some crazy YouTube channel, like imagine touring in this,

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Speaker 1: the comedic value of parking this at the lake like

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Speaker 1: having a boat you can live in on a trailer,

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Speaker 1: a big boat, but just like being confined to the

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Speaker 1: parking lot while you sure fish. The comedic value alone

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Speaker 1: is worth it. I think it's fantastic. It's it's pretty funny.

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Speaker 1: It would be a good stick. Did you ever see

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Speaker 1: a show back in the day called gun It with

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Speaker 1: Benny Spies? Oh? Man, I I know Benny Spies because

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Speaker 1: he did some work at Outdoor Life, but I don't

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Speaker 1: remember that show specifically. No. So he used to go

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Speaker 1: around in this camper, and I believe like every time

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Speaker 1: you'd open the door, a bunch of beer cans would

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Speaker 1: fall out. This seems very Spies esque to me. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think the comedic value alone would in fact be

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Speaker 1: worth the fifteen grand. It's a great stick for the

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Speaker 1: right person. Mark, thanks for sending this along. Maybe go

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Speaker 1: grab it man, right, I'd I'd say nothing else. That's

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Speaker 1: definitely one of a kind. There are some Bent stickers

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Speaker 1: and such now headed to Mark, and if you'd like

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Speaker 1: some of those, keep an eye on your favorite online

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Speaker 1: classifies for him, and send any weird ship like this

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Speaker 1: that you find to Bent at the meat eater dot com.

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Speaker 1: So Mark is getting some some Bent stickers for sending

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Speaker 1: in a sale band, and so is listener Andrew Jacobs,

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Speaker 1: because he is responsible for this week's end of the

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Speaker 1: line segment. All right, this is the one where completely

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere, we're going to go from a shady

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Speaker 1: camper boat to shady strip quote. That is correct, That

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Speaker 1: is correct? Right? So you know, spoons, spoons are pretty

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Speaker 1: great all around, lors Um, but but I feel like

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Speaker 1: there there's so many modern new fangle lures on the

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Speaker 1: market that the spoon has kind of taking a back seat,

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Speaker 1: although it shouldn't, especially with ice season ramping up. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna get out and do some ice fishing, you should

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Speaker 1: use some spoons. So I'm gonna close by covering a

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Speaker 1: spoon that everyone has heard of, but you might not

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Speaker 1: know anything about its risk a history. Well, that's not

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Speaker 1: loud enough. The Little Cleo is probably one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular well known spoons ever made. It's so popular

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Speaker 1: that it even has its own Wikipedia page. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it also has one of the shortest, most factless write

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Speaker 1: ups on all the Wikipedia, which is odd to me

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Speaker 1: because the Cleo has a fascinating story, one that I

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Speaker 1: just recently got tipped off to by listener Andrew Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: Prior to Andrew reaching out, I had no idea this

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Speaker 1: simple loure, enjoyed by anglers of all ages and from

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Speaker 1: all walks of life, was sort borne out of a

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Speaker 1: chance encounter in a nudy bar. The reason I was

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Speaker 1: unaware this is simple. I just never really fished a

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Speaker 1: ton of Cleo's. I mean I never really fished a

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Speaker 1: ton of spoons at all, really, especially in freshwater and salt.

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Speaker 1: I huck a cash master crippled herring or crocodile spoon

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Speaker 1: all day, but in sweetwater for no particular reason, I

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Speaker 1: threw Thomas buoyant spoons for trout and Daredevil's if I

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Speaker 1: happen to be chasing larger freshwater spoon eaters. This explains

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Speaker 1: why I never knew that for forty three years, every

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Speaker 1: Little Cleo spoon had a dancing, topless woman stamped on

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Speaker 1: the back. Andrew sent a photo of a vintage Cleo

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Speaker 1: featuring said half naked lady, and I wanted to know more.

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Speaker 1: These days, the Little Cleo is produced by Acme Tackle,

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Speaker 1: but when they first hit the scene in nineteen fifty three,

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Speaker 1: they were made by Seneca Tackle Company, which was based

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Speaker 1: in New York City. The company was started by a

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Speaker 1: fella named Charlie Clark, who had already made some money

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Speaker 1: as a saw writer and music publisher. As the story goes,

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Speaker 1: Charlie had visited a hoochie Coochie club way back in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties and was smitten by one particular exotic

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Speaker 1: dancer that went by the name you guessed it, Little Cleo.

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Speaker 1: Years later, when the spoon was developed, Clark decided to

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Speaker 1: name the lord the Little Cleo because, according to a

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Speaker 1: story I found in the Oklahoman, he believed the wiggling

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Speaker 1: and dancing of the Lord would bewitch the fish, much

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Speaker 1: like Little Cleo's dance had charmed him. The stamped image

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Speaker 1: of the real topless Little Cleo had a good run.

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Speaker 1: It survived into the ACME Tackle era, which brought Seneca

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Speaker 1: Tackle in. She danced into trout, bass and pike mouths

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Speaker 1: through the Reagan years, kept charming Walleyes and Stripers while

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Speaker 1: George Bush Senior held office and just about made it

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Speaker 1: through Bill Clinton's first term. According to my research, in

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Speaker 1: a female employee at a major chain retailers all topless

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Speaker 1: Little Cleo and got offended. While I couldn't figure out

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Speaker 1: exactly which retailer that was, it had to be one

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Speaker 1: of the giants like Walmart or maybe Bass Pro, because

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Speaker 1: in the interest of not losing that retailer's business, ACME

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Speaker 1: took Little Cleo off the Little Cleo citing that she

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Speaker 1: was quote a victim of the politically correct nineties. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for sending the shot of your vintage

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Speaker 1: Cleo and helping me educate myself and our listeners about

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Speaker 1: this classic lore. I want to post your photo on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: But now, twenty five years after she made waves, I

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Speaker 1: find myself wondering do I blur the naughty bits on

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Speaker 1: the back of the spoon? Do I let it ride?

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Speaker 1: I haven't really decided yet, but the bottom line is

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Speaker 1: that naked lady or not, the little Cleo is likely

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Speaker 1: to keep seductively wiggling its way into fish jaws for

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Speaker 1: decades to come. So that's it for this week listen.

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Speaker 1: Instead of a recap, we just want to take a

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Speaker 1: minute to bring you guys up to speed on something

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Speaker 1: that's kind of long overdue. Right, So, for a while now,

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Speaker 1: many of you have been asking for a dedicated listener

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Speaker 1: Q and a segment where we answer your questions on

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Speaker 1: the show. That's right. So, starting with the first episode

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Speaker 1: of Joe and I are going to build in a

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Speaker 1: weekly segment dedicated just to answering your questions. And we're

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Speaker 1: bringing this up now so we can let some questions

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Speaker 1: build in the archives and get this sucker like rolling

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Speaker 1: in the new year. Yes, true story. You guys already

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Speaker 1: send us some really great questions, right. We get them

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Speaker 1: on on Instagram. They come through Bent at the Mediator

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Speaker 1: dot com in the email inbox, and we always try

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Speaker 1: and answer as many as we can. But here's a chance, um,

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Speaker 1: for some of those answers to help fellow degenerates and

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Speaker 1: be heard by the masses instead of just a quick

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Speaker 1: type of the answer back to you. And of course

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Speaker 1: if we use your question on the show, you'll get

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Speaker 1: so to that end fire away. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: we've got eyes on those Degenerate Angler Invent Podcast hashtags

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Speaker 1: and we're always excited to see the sale bin links,

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Speaker 1: bar nominations, awkward photos and the news clips that you

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Speaker 1: guys send our way. Yeah, and we'd also be excited

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Speaker 1: to see you patch your raft with only the items

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Speaker 1: available in the pitssport excuse for a Sporting good section

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Speaker 1: at your local target