1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: See you next Tuesday. In Jersey. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: It's the season eleven premiere, and there is never a 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: dull moment. Dolores and David fight over her plastic surgery. 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: Teresa goes around Evan's birthday party talking about him, and 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Jackie makes a comment about Gia that has Teresa fired up. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Entertainment reporter and host of the podcast It Sure is 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: a Beautiful Day, Kat Sadler joins me to break down 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: the episode. This is real Housewives of New Jersey, Season eleven, 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: episode one, See You next Tuesday. Let's get into it. 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: So are you a Housewives fan? Do you have you 11 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: watched for years? 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: Do you have a specific favorite city? 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 3: Okay, so, Bethany, you know, when I was on E 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: covering this stuff every day, I was responsible for kind 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: of watching everything, right, you have to be a bit 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: of an expert on everything. And so as much as 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: like I have had the pleasure of interviewing you before 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: and Housewives from every franchise, I have never been an avid, 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: like die hard plot line savvy viewer. So it's like 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: I know a little bit about everything, but you know, 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: I had to watch the Kardashians. I had to watch 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 3: you know, I had to watch the Emmy nominated scripted shows. 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, I know enough, but I 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: knowly fluent, but I get by. 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: I am not fluent at at all, really, but it 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 3: was so fun watching this episode because I'm like, why 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: am I not watching more? Because my life is so 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: boring these days and I watch I'm usually like into 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: the super like dramatic successions of the world and you know, 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: like I like like really dark scripted stuff dramas. So 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: I was watching this and I had the best time. 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is this is my new 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: my new thing. 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: It was. 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: It was fantastic. It was fun. 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: This is Jersey and I'm not fluent either. I speak 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: the language better than you, and I have institutional knowledge 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: because I've been inside show, but some of these episodes, 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: I have never seen this episode either. 40 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't know who everybody is either. 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: I mean I have heard their names and seeing their faces, 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: but I don't know the characters that well either. 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: So well, let me just tell you one fun fact 44 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: before we get into this. Only because you know, as 45 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 3: far as my knowledge goes, I had the crazy assignment 46 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: this had to be you might know more than me. 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: But when Teresa got out of prison. When would that 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: have been, Like. 49 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: I have the one the literally maybe five years ago, 50 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: maybe longer. 51 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: I feel like this was maybe ten years ago. But 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: as someone who didn't know the franchise that well, somehow 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: I got the first post jail house interview with Teresa 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: and this was in New York City and it was 55 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 3: in a hotel room and it was three hours of exclusive. 56 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: You had the exclusive, and I was the reporter on this. 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: So that's that's what I remember. Gosh, that was almost 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: eight years eight years ago. Yeah, and I got to 59 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: sit down with her and like hear her talk about 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: her prison experience or whatever. So that was like the biggest, 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: most in depth like moment. And so it was wild 62 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 3: to like watch her in this episode and just see 63 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 3: how much has changed him where she is and I 64 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: had no idea, so I kind of got caught up 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: on all that. 66 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: And now right now, I'm sure you know she's married 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: and it's controversial too, and it's just a crazy environment. 68 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: But Delores and Frank, I don't know what season she started, 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: but I think Frank is her ex husband and she 70 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: shares a son with him, so you saw that she 71 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: has a son. I think he's like, you know, he 72 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: looks like a hot kid, but I think people think 73 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: he's like a really hot son and and he It's 74 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: what was interesting to me was that he was friend. 75 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: He seems like he's very close with her current boyfriend 76 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: who's a doctor. 77 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, did you see that in the kitchen. I 78 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: did see that in the kitchen. I was trying to 79 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: piece together, like, Okay, what are all the moving parts here? 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: And yeah he By the way, my son is off 81 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: to college next week, so I like I get the whole, like, 82 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: oh my god, grown man but still a child. And 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: he was studying for his what trying to get into 84 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: business score or something. Anyway, Yeah, that's an interesting dynamic. 85 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 3: She's like living with her ex right like on occasion. 86 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: No, I don't know. 87 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: She seems always like it seems like her ACX is 88 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: always her date and her plus one. And this audience, 89 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: this Bravo audience, myself including likes this guy Frank. He's 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 2: a good fun character and he's you know, he's like 91 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: this like cute sweet meathead that is just always around her. 92 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know if he really is in love 93 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: with her. They're best friends, they've worked together. I think 94 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: I think they've done houses together, but he seems like 95 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: a good guy and it just didn't work from a 96 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 2: relationship standpoint. I think he might have cheated on her 97 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: when they were together or something. But it's weird to 98 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: watch when you know that she has broken up with 99 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: this other guy. I don't know when or who she's 100 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: with now, but I think it's in like my periphery 101 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: that she's not with this guy, and this is sort 102 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: of like they're setting up with the fact that they're 103 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: going to break up. So I'm of course thinking about 104 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: what's going to happen with the son and this guy's relationship. 105 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: But when a son is older, when a child is older, 106 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: they're an adult and they have their own phone number 107 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: and text and emails so they can have whatever relationships 108 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: they want. 109 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: He's an adult. 110 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, completely, completely. I don't know enough about the backstory, 111 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: but but it's hard to keep up. It's hard to 112 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: keep up. Do you know that? That's exactly what I mean. 113 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm not bringing it back to myself again, 114 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: but this is exactly this is exactly what's going on 115 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: in my life at the moment. I moved to Malibu 116 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: because of my new partner. I've been dating for two 117 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: years and I have two sons and they're eighteen and 118 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: twenty two. And it's so interesting because they have such 119 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: a great relationship with their own dad that it takes 120 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: the pressure off because to your point, it's like they 121 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: can be as close to Greg as they want to be. 122 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: They can like connect with them, they can golf with them, 123 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: they can you know, gro out with him if they 124 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: want to, but they don't have to. They're old, they're older, 125 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, so it's kind of 126 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: like letting it or gan evolve to the level that 127 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: they want to and they can come here as much 128 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: as they want, and they don't have to be here 129 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: if they don't want to be. It's kind of nice. 130 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: It's kind of freeing when your kids do get older 131 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: in that sense that when you are choosing a partner, 132 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: as so many middle aged women are, you know, maybe 133 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: the second time around, or third time around, or who 134 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: knows what, but you can actually choose for yourself. And 135 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: obviously you want your kids and your family to adore 136 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: your partner, but if they don't, it's not the end 137 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: of the world. It's not a deal breaker. 138 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, yes, do apply it to yourself. 139 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: Don't say I don't want to make I want you 140 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: to apply it to yourself, because that's literally what the 141 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: show is about. It's funny that I just walk into 142 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: something and you happen to be experiencing it, which I 143 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: do like this show as a vehicle for that. But yeah, 144 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: and I find when kids are little kids, you're kind 145 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: of just like sticking them in a car seat and 146 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: they're doing what you want them to do, and if 147 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: they don't like someone that you're with, they'll make a comment, 148 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: or if someone doesn't like you, it makes you feel 149 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: really bad and it's something you have to deal with 150 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: and you think it's going to last forever. For those 151 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: of you listening that are in blended families or blended 152 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: relationship or step kids that hate you or whatever, things 153 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: like that are really just a moment in time, and 154 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: even more so where if there's blending, even teens, tweens, 155 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: high school, college, there are so few moments that everybody 156 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: has to be all together at the same time. Like 157 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: that's what holidays before, That's why holidays are stressful. But 158 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: in my well, I have a blended situation. We all 159 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: have a great relationship. But it's not that often that 160 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: everyone is actually together, because there's time that my daughter's 161 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: with a father and I'm with my daughter and I'm 162 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: with my fiance and he is this kid likes. It's 163 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: hard to corral an entire stable, you know of animals, 164 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: so so to your point, especially when they're older, everybody 165 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: kind of can have the relationship they want to have. 166 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: And yes, the pressure is off. People are adults. They 167 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: can say what's on their mind. And a child adult 168 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: can say, I think that's disrespectful what you just said 169 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: to me, and an adult adult can say you're spoiled 170 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: and you know whatever. 171 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Like kind of people have voices, Yes. 172 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: They do, and it is hard to corral everybody, and 173 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: sometimes it's good kind of to not. I mean, life 174 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: is so busy and everybody's got their own agendas and 175 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: their responsibilities and all of that. I mean, Greg I 176 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: just inherited four kids. Greg has four kids, so I 177 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: have never dated anyone after having my own children who 178 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: was a father, and so this is much less. 179 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Four four No, that's a lot, right, it's a lot. 180 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: And there of course with their mothers week on, week off, 181 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: week one week off, so it's not all the time. 182 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: And I think kind of like what you're saying, it's 183 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: nice that way in a sesse. It's like they come, 184 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: they go. It's not one hundred percent of the time. 185 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: Everybody can come up for air. Everybody has their own 186 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: little spaces and places in this world that make them 187 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 3: feel good, and it's the pressure's off because of that. 188 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: I think for sure, Well, it's the good thing that 189 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: no one says aloud, Like in twenty twenty three, it's okay, 190 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: you might not the relationship might not work for you. 191 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: If you had to live with six children in your house, 192 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: you might not be that. But I couldn't do it. 193 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: So I could fall in love with someone who had 194 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: four kids. But if I and that's what happens in 195 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: the beginning of relationships. That's why people have to really 196 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: talk about this stuff more when they're dating and be 197 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: honest about it, or listen to people like us who 198 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: have experienced it. If you thought you had to eat 199 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: the whole entire chicken at once, you might throw up. 200 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: You couldn't handle it. 201 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: Like if I thought I had to have that whole 202 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: blended family, the idea of it, it would overwhelm me. 203 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: But in real life, like, everything's a living breeding organism, 204 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: and it there's no such thing as really traditional now 205 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: unless you're twenty four and you both come up together 206 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: and the parents are best friends and everyone travels together 207 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: and it's like an Italian family from the sixties. 208 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to add one more layer, I mean here, 209 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: I am about to be literally Bethanny. In five days. 210 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: I dropped my son off at college, my baby, and 211 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: I'm like, I was about to be an empty nester. 212 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: And some you know, my friends are like, cool, wait 213 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: a minute. You were literally about your whole world could 214 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: open up. You could do anything, go anywhere, have any job, 215 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: take on any project. The freedom was literally right here 216 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 3: in front of my face. And of course I fall 217 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: in love with someone with four young kids, and that 218 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: wasn't consideration. It was just like Kat, They're like, are 219 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: you sure you want to sign up for that? You know, 220 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: and they're lovely and they're such great children, and I 221 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: keep saying that. They're like yeah, but still it's four kids. 222 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's exactly so. 223 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 224 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: People do distance, people do divorce, people do widow people 225 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: do everything. So I agree, And that's interesting. That's funny 226 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: that that kitchen conversation brought this whole thing up. So 227 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: the next topic that was interesting to me about Dolores was, 228 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: you know, new ass new DIDs, and she didn't tell 229 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: her life partner. Now that is really interesting. 230 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: How does that even happen? 231 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't actually know. 232 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: Maybe he was on a business trip where she said 233 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: she was at a spot. I don't that's a great point. 234 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if we saw that, but I didn't 235 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: see it wasn't in this episode. Obviously she doesn't have 236 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: to ask him, and she knows he's very against elective surgery. 237 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: But I think you just have to tell your partner 238 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: about something we were going under, and I just it's 239 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: a I can't imagine being in that dynamic. I mean, 240 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to ask Paul's permission to do anything, 241 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: but right he would feel hurt if I didn't include him. 242 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: So that's a cautionary tale about their relationship. I think, 243 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: I think it's nice to have the endorsement. Like you said, 244 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: you don't need permission from anybody else, especially your partner, 245 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: I don't think, but but but a little support, a 246 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: little endorsement. I could not imagine keeping something of that 247 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: gravity from someone that yeah, is, but also what about 248 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: the compassion and the bedside man or there are times 249 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: that my Fance does jiu jitsu and like, you know, 250 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: he's he's in his forties and he's strong and he's 251 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: good at it, but sometimes he goes too hard and 252 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: that he hurts himself. He doesn't want to admit it 253 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: because he feels like an idiot that he hurt himself. 254 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: But I'm still there, like, are you okay? Whether I 255 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: thought he should have been doing it right after he 256 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: was injured before or something, It's still like you want 257 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: the bedside manner of someone if you've gone through surgery. 258 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: So I thought that whole thing. 259 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: It's wild, like the show is showing that that relationship 260 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: is not. 261 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 3: Going to work. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how 262 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: that's that's that's again possible to a not tell them 263 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: and be for them to be anywhere within the vicinity 264 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 3: to be supportive or judge whatever that that is. You'd 265 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: think that'd be a little more intimate dynamic. You do know, 266 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 3: I just got a facelift. Do you know this? Oh? No, yes, 267 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: this is crazy? Yes me. So that's when I was 268 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: watching the episode, I was like. 269 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: Oh, this hell thing is about you. 270 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I love my producers and they're 271 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: always great a pairing guests. There's no way that they 272 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: paired you because of all this, that then they would 273 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: be savants and genius. 274 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: Like your episode. Okay, so go ahead. That's funny. 275 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 3: It's crazy because I this is my first surgery ever, 276 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: so I I mean, yeah, it is. Technically it is 277 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: my first and certainly my first cosmetic surgery. And I 278 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: had a facelift, I had a necklift, and I had 279 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: a buffer of PLASTI with my eyes. And I've been 280 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: talking about what is the bluff it's like removing the 281 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: skin from the hooded hoodedness. Yes, And just how long 282 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: ago the surgery was in May? So I'm all, I'm 283 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: about two months and some change since I had so new, 284 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: it's very new. It's been kind of all I've been 285 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: talking about and healing from still healing, like even my 286 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 3: ears are a little numb and look amazing. 287 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't I need to see like now, 288 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: I need to see what you looked like before again, 289 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: But you look amazing, always are beautiful. 290 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: But I'm so happy with the results and nice, I'm so, 291 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: so so happy and I've been talking about this because 292 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 3: so much of kind of what I am speaking about 293 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: with my own audiences these days is about you know, 294 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: being a middle aged woman and what's available to us 295 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: and how to feel good in our bodies, like all 296 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: of it, the vain, you know, cosmetic side, internal subject, 297 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: the whole thing. Oh God, bless, oh God, bless. A 298 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: great doctor, great doctor. But it was funny because for 299 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: me and my little bubble in my little world, even 300 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: though I've you know, been in Hollywood for ages, it 301 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: was a big deal for me to do that. I mean, 302 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: it's a very big decision. And that I watched this episode, 303 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I don't feel so bad. Everybody's 304 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: been under the knife and she's had her butt done, 305 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: her this done or it's done. 306 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, did you feel. 307 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: Weird in a fairly new relationship to say to him? 308 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: Did you feel self conscious and like weird and old 309 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: like that? You're but he has four kids, so he's 310 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: not a spring chicken at for kids. 311 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: He is older, he's four years older. He's fifty, you know, 312 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: five years older. And but it was back to this 313 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: plot line, like I there is no way literally not 314 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: as an out of possibility that I would be in 315 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: a relationship and this wouldn't be a consideration for both 316 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: of us to have that discussion. 317 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: I mean, of course that's what you're that's the point. 318 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, of course I did. I was like, 319 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: what do you think? And and his big thing was, 320 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: I just want you to still look like you, Like, 321 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: I don't want to end up with a new girlfriend 322 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: that comes home from the doctor. And it's like, I 323 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: have a brand new person in my life. So, you know, 324 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: he expressed his concerns. I comfort him seventeen different ways 325 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: that I knew how to say. That's also what I want. 326 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: So we talked about eight length and yes he is 327 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: happy and he comments often, and you know, I'm like, cee, cee, like, 328 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: you know good. 329 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so nice. 330 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny that this is the episode. And 331 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: the woman Margaret who's on the show, I don't know 332 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: if she's talked about plastic surgery, and certainly on that 333 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: one to quote unquote out, but everybody on the show 334 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: seems pretty open about the woman Dolores that had the 335 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: butt stuff. She's one of the only people that she's 336 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: one of the only housewives who admit that they're on 337 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: ozempic or munjaro or one of those, or semi glue 338 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: tie whatever, and there has been a sweeping, dramatic housewife 339 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: weight loss, and everyone's just acting like in their fifties 340 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: and menopause, they just started losing weight. And it's really 341 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: stupid and hilarious at the same time. It's funny, but 342 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: like I think that they've just it's become more common, 343 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: so now they probably would have admitted it, but they're 344 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: stuck in the lie because they are ready lied about it. 345 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: But I'm not saying that's Margaret. I don't even know 346 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: if she's on ozempi. I don't know what she looked 347 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: like before, but she looks very fresh. Like I feel 348 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: like I've seen her a lot in the press and 349 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: other things. She looks her face looks very very she's 350 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: a fresh look. 351 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: I think. 352 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: Well, and it's going on so much more. I mean, 353 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: you know, like, you know, I don't know if people 354 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: are everybody's getting a facelift these days, but you know, 355 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: I love it. And you look at someone and you're like, 356 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: they look so refreshed to your point, and people are like, 357 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: oh my god, you know she had such and such 358 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: makeup artists do her makeup, and it's like, I don't 359 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: think that's like a really well done eyeliner. I think 360 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: that's a lot about the filter. 361 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: How would you know? 362 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you could just do a filter and then 363 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: you have a facelift every day you never left your house. 364 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: You could just do everything in a filter and it 365 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: would be you don't have to do the surgery. 366 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: I know you really, you really literally would not have 367 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: you know, let's talk. 368 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: About this jen Aden scenario. She's got I think she's Turkish, 369 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 2: she's got this. She's got her mother, her old fashioned 370 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: mother who her and her father and siblings are kind 371 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: of talking about. And the father's moved in and they're 372 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 2: all trashing this mom. But I'm just thinking about on TV, like, 373 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: you know, talking about the mom and having the dad 374 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: move in. 375 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: It just seemed like a little cringey. 376 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 3: I know, I found myself thinking, well, dear God, I 377 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 3: hope they're not watching. 378 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: Right, like, yeah, like, what's the upside of this? 379 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: Well? 380 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: I feel I feel like she tried to make it 381 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: like put a button on it by saying, no matter what, 382 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: all of my mother or in every relationship with all 383 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: of our mothers is strained. But yeah, it wasn't necessarily 384 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: a good look. I mean, I don't know, because you 385 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: would know you're of the reality ilk, but like how 386 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: much of that is talking about in advance or or 387 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 3: sometimes if there's nothing nothing going on? Is that just like. 388 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: Almost like. 389 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: A character needs to have something going on and a story, 390 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: and so Britans just sit down and ask what's going 391 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: on in your life? And they might see what's going 392 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: on in the house and the father's living there, and 393 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: then she says, my father's living here, and then they're 394 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: probably like, well, we have to go into that because 395 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 2: your father's living here. 396 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: But they it's not a little like that to me, 397 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: Like it wasn't like a lot, but it was almost 398 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 3: like making it something. I don't know. 399 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, it's funny because jen Aiden's husband is 400 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: a doctor. I think he's a plastic surgeon. It's funny 401 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: he parties with those other guys a lot, and it 402 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: just it seems like they're always giving him shots and 403 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: he's always hung over, and it just seems like he's 404 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 2: adhering to peer pressure on a reality show. But as 405 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: an adult, it just always seems like these it's sort 406 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: of funny but it's ridiculous. These other guys are kind 407 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: of always corrupting him because he doesn't seem to fit 408 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 2: in with this group, which is an example of what 409 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: happens like you make show friends. 410 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: Mm well, speaking of being adults, I mean, this is 411 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 3: probably like I watched you know, the party scene, the 412 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: birthday scene, and the drinking and the shit talking and 413 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: you know, the planting of the maybe this affair and 414 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: all this stuff, and I was just like, are these 415 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: people grown ass people? 416 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: You know? 417 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 3: Like, for me, yeah, this is insane. I'm just like 418 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 3: I did that when I was sixteen and barely did 419 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: it at sixt eighteen, you know what I mean. 420 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: Just partying, like the partying, like the planes going yeah, 421 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: like the yeah, the just I. 422 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: Mean, I know that's what reality television is supposed to be, 423 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: and I know that that's the drama and the juice 424 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 3: and the tea and all that, but I'm just like, 425 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: these are grown ass people with children, you know what. 426 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: I'm like, You're just a definite breed. I'm a homebody. 427 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: It sounds like you're a harm but homebody totally. 428 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: I brought my meditation and my hot yoga, which, by 429 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 3: the way, I mean just a little juice for you, 430 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: which is completely ironic that we are speaking and that 431 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: I'm even talking about the Housewives, because I never really 432 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: really watched a night Like I said, I'm boring. I'm 433 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 3: not like throwing tables and getting drunken public or anything. 434 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 3: But two a year ago, the Housewives Beverly Hills contacted me, 435 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: and so I went through a whole series of technically 436 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: auditions to be on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. 437 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: Little juice spread and at the time, I was just like, 438 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: why would they I am so not of the breed, 439 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 3: you know, I don't think you know, I'm like I 440 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: would be the super like on the matt reading meditations, 441 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: journaling with people type of character. But it was funny, 442 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: I it was. It was interesting for me to consender. 443 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: I was tempted because, as you well know, I mean, 444 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's that type of positioning could 445 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: help anyone's career or further or all the things I 446 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: did want that maybe aren't on that show. I could 447 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: probably you know, further and develop and grow because of 448 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: having that type of platform. So yes, I was tempted, 449 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: but I thought, I just don't know how I would. 450 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: And by the way, some of those women I do 451 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: know probably the best, just because we're all in LA 452 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: and are friends of mine but not friends, but you know, 453 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 3: friends LA friends. And I was tempted, but it didn't 454 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: work out in the end anyway. Maybe that's why, because 455 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: they're like, well, she's gonna be way too safe and 456 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 3: not nearly entertaining enough. 457 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: And you want to know what, I'll tell you something. 458 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: There are girls that in thinking about everything I'm going 459 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: through right now, which I'll talk about separately also on 460 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: this podcast I'm having, I'm doing a lot of reflecting, 461 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking about my participation in the toxicity in 462 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: certain areas things I just said anecdotally about people on 463 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: my show and other casts, like informer blogs we used 464 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: to do or when Pride and I'm watching What Happens 465 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: Live and things that were not nice, and that is 466 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: the nature of that genre. And I bring this up 467 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: because people like Kristin Takman, who I met on the show, 468 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: or Tinsley who I met on the show, are actually 469 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: really lovely people, and I got into it a lot 470 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: with them on the show because they're not great housewives. 471 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: Because they're not they weren't maybe raised by animals and 472 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: ready to like go to battle in a way that 473 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 2: I'm capable of. 474 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: You know, they they're maybe not. 475 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: They may not always jump off the page and have 476 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: the funniest, immediate, snarky quick comment like a professional like 477 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: sniper like I am. And sometimes and sometimes with people 478 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: like that, I didn't really connect with them because we 479 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: were on a battlefield, but like there was no time 480 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: for like normalcy and friendship. And I'm doing a lot 481 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: of reflecting about that because it's very relevant. It is 482 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: a little mean girls, and it is very high school 483 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: in the sense that I've seen other shows, other housewives shows, 484 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: and I've seen people that, in my opinion and for 485 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: my judgmental standards, have done some sleazy, trashy things in 486 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: their lives right, and then they've been murdered for it 487 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: and they've had to live it down forever. And I've 488 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: been part of that entire sphere that judge that because 489 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: action the viewers too. Just like we're in high school. 490 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: If someone in my high school slept with six guys, 491 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 2: I probably would have thought and said they were a slut. Okay, 492 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: And as an adult now who has a daughter, the 493 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: slut which is a terrible word has parents who are 494 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: watching people say mean things because of whatever choices that 495 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: child made. 496 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: I could cry. 497 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking about housewives and bad decisions and where 498 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: the line is and how it's ruined their lives when 499 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: people have found out things about them that and ruined 500 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: their lives. And I've been part of that entire atmosphere, thinking, saying, judging, 501 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: being asked about it. I'm watching it happens live like 502 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: some anecdotal comment, and it's really hurt a lot of people, 503 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: not just me, the whole medium. And there is a line. 504 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: It's been entirely crossed. And you know, someone asked me 505 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: the other day if this is my penance. It was 506 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: not intentionally my penance, but in being manic in my 507 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: house this morning and cleaning out like five bags of 508 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: clothes as if it was like some weird obsession because 509 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: I'm like not dealing with what I really need to 510 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: be dealing with. Yeah, I said to this reporter, I 511 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: think it might be my penance. So I say that 512 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: to you as somebody who I don't think would necessarily 513 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: be a good housewife, and that's probably a good thing. 514 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: Well, it's all I know. It is a good thing 515 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: because all I know at this age of and with 516 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 3: all I've learned and the wisdom I've I guess gained, 517 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: and the beauty of aging is I know myself better 518 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: than I've ever known myself, and I wouldn't. I could 519 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 3: not fake the funk, nor would I want to. What 520 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: that would do to my energy, my spirit, And it's 521 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: just not worth it. It's not worth it for a paycheck. 522 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 3: No thank you now. 523 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: No knowing that you were tempted says what the whole 524 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: thing is meaning? You want to be more successful. I'm 525 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: sure you want to make more money. You want to, 526 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, and you would go on and if you 527 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: were doing really well, you might end up on anti 528 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: anxiety medication, which many housewives do, and you might realize 529 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: you had a great season because you had it going good, 530 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: and then the next season, because it's a zero sum games, 531 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: someone has to take you down. So someone's always winning, 532 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: someone's always losing, someone's always killing, and someone's always getting killed. 533 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 2: So I've definitely been part of that. 534 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: That sounds like my absolute worst nightmare, right There couldn't 535 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: be anything that would hurt more. It just sounds. It 536 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: sounds excruciating. How do you survive that, like, how. 537 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: Do you millions of dollars and going in there with 538 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars in my bank account to my name, 539 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: growing up in a very abusive household and environment and 540 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 2: at the racetrack being a survivor, living the hunger games, 541 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: being in nightclubs at thirteen years old, doing very terrible 542 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: things that I shouldn't be doing. That I would die 543 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: if my daughter was doing. I was raised like an animal, 544 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: So how did I do it? That's out because that's 545 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: what I you know, when I was broke and I 546 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: was going to the top. But am I proud of 547 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: my entire involvement at this time moment in time? 548 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: No? 549 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: No, But you know, well, it's like what you mentioned. 550 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: It can change people's lives. It can ruin people's lives, 551 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: it can end their careers. Like the consequences like, yeah, 552 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: that's the risk. People gamble, You get in and then look. 553 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: What happens and can happen to people within It's no 554 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: different than what I'm saying. Within an episode or a season, 555 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: it's kill or be killed, and someone's always winning or losing. 556 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: Within the entire. 557 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 2: Sphere and game, it's also someone's always winning and losing. 558 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: Arianna is winning. That girl over Keel is fully losing. 559 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: This one's winning, the other one's fully losing, and it 560 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: affects their entire life. And both Arianna and Raquel have 561 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: parents that have to watch whatever. 562 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: This rollercoaster is so. 563 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: Anxiety hearing you talk about this. No wonder, I I mean, like. 564 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: Ter never look back, don't worry, You're better for so 565 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: all right, So now we're at this guy's birthday. Now, 566 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: this poor guy's birthday. Now, I don't really care if 567 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: he's cheated or hasn't cheated. 568 00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 1: I don't know. 569 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: They have four kids too, And I couldn't believe it. 570 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: I had never seen it. I couldn't believe it. And 571 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: in many cases I've been teamed Teresa, but not based 572 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: on watching the show, based on just like a mother 573 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: went to jail, like came back. She's honest about who 574 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: she is. She's a fighter, survivor. Like it's kind of 575 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: just like what I've what I think I know. I 576 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 2: haven't watched that much of Housewives. I've watched individual episodes 577 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: for the show, and just throughout my life, I've never 578 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: been dedicated. So that was pretty horrendous. Like that's as 579 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: bad as I've ever seen, And I don't care what 580 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: the girl did to her at this point, I don't care. 581 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: I can't believe she walked through someone's birthday party that 582 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: she was attending and spread a rumor like that's really bad. 583 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: That's that was disgusting. 584 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: I was despicable. It's despicable. And I've been in that 585 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: situation where we've heard something that's going on in you know, 586 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: about a friend or a friend's partner and the cheating 587 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: room or whatever. There were twenty five other ways she 588 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 3: could have went about this. Then to go do that 589 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: behind her back at a night where they're celebrating, like 590 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: dropping that little rumor in every little at every corner 591 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: of that party that she could it was really That's 592 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: when I was just like, can this be real? Or 593 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 3: is this reality television? Because that was a terrible, terrible decision. 594 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 3: And then when they do confront one another about her, 595 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: when Jackie confronts Teresa and then uses the analogy that 596 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: it's like Jackie's spreading a rumor about Teresa's daughter doing 597 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: cocaine in the bathroom at school or something and telling 598 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 3: everybody but her, and then Teresa loses her and calls her. 599 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't justified at all, Teresa, no argument. Yeah, 600 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: she was using an analogy saying it would be like 601 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: me saying yes, And it was smart of her to 602 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: say that, and yeah, of course yeah, and then for 603 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: her to get crazy that just that was nuts. But 604 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: the thing is to answer your question how it goes down. 605 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: And this is why this whole sphere of is it 606 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: real and what is reality is going to come crashing 607 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: down like a house of cards, because. 608 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: What is it reality? 609 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: That Teresa said to a producer and maybe a friend, 610 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: something that she heard from one person, Yeah, that's reality. 611 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: In her life, she's working on a reality show with 612 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: people she's friends with, not friends with, has alliances because 613 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: of television, and she has producers at her house all 614 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: the time. There's tape up on the walls because they 615 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: have cameras all the time. So she told a friend 616 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: and maybe a friend told the producer. Because it's always 617 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: killing or being killed. There's always if there's new meat, 618 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: new content, someone wants to bring it to the forefront. 619 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: No one can happen without bringing it to the forefront. 620 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: So no, that's not real, because in your real life 621 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: there are a lot of things you know and have heard, 622 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: and you don't bring it to the forefront. 623 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: So a producer has. 624 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: A meeting with her and then is in the car 625 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: with her and before she gets Mike to go into 626 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: a scene, and one hundred percent said, are you going 627 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: to mention what you heard from? 628 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah and a. 629 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: Not that intelligent house, So I doesn't make choices for 630 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: themselves and goes in like a robot and delivers, you know, 631 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: messages that they're told from producers. So she went in 632 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: and she also was drunk. You're drinking a lot of alcohol, 633 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: which I also am starting to have a problem with. 634 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: Where's the line when producers will say this person cannot 635 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: be served anymore. We're in a workplace that's going to 636 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: come out too. Yes, everyone can drink, it's real life. 637 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: But the cameras add thirst they want. They make drinking 638 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: seem like a very good idea. 639 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: I've been there. 640 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: I don't I'm not a massive drinker, but you feel 641 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: like you're adrenaline so high, you're so stressed out. You 642 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: got cameras, and it's a good idea of pound drinks just. 643 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: Games, so you know you're you could be killed at 644 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: any moment. 645 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: You'reas you're stressed out and you're not drinking a lot 646 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: of water, and you drink more and no housewife will disagree, 647 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: okay none. No one's forcing you to drink alcohol like 648 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: they say. I've said that publicly about a Viva dresser. 649 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: No one's flying you alcohol. But who's holding back from 650 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: what's not correct in the workplace? So people get excited 651 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: on reality TV the more people get wasted. They get 652 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: excited if somebody goes off the wagon uses drugs as 653 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: a rumor, everything bad is good in the upside down. 654 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: So this so Teresa goes and thinks it's a good 655 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: idea to get this out into the forefront. And it 656 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: is good in reality TV because it's horrendous and it 657 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: means we can do twelve scenes coming off of that. 658 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: And I've been part of it and I've been the 659 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: ringleader in it, so just so you know, but it 660 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: was really not It was not great, and I'm a 661 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: hypocrite for saying it. But this is the episode that 662 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: I'm watching, and this is what I. 663 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: Think, well, because everybody in I think with any kind 664 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: of reasonable judgment and morality when we're not on a 665 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: reality show, if one hears that about their friend's boyfriend husband, whatever, 666 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: What do you do? Two things? One you're considering do 667 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: I say anything at all? Because is it just a rumor? 668 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: Or are there seats that I can actually back this up? 669 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: And two you go to the friend. You don't go 670 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: to strangers in a party. You don't go call on somebody. 671 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: You don't send out a group text to everyone you 672 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: know other than your friend. You go to your friend. 673 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah, I don't think it's her friend, it's 674 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: her showfriend, which also isn't real. It's a show structure 675 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: where you put with other people. So many times these 676 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: reality shows make people film and say you can't leave, 677 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: and it's called because how can you make someone film 678 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 2: their life? Like? 679 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: That's not real? 680 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 2: No one can come to my house today and put 681 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: a CA So you sign up for something that may 682 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: not be may not seem as intense as it's going 683 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: to be. And so and then Melissa said it best 684 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: when she said, can we just rewind? Like she wants 685 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: to rewind the occurrence the faces that everyone's making, Margaret, 686 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: everyone they're a guest. It's just it's it's outrageous that 687 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: it went on. It didn't make for an entertaining show. 688 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: I will say that it did make for an entertainer 689 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: show one hundred percent. And then Joe, Melissa's husband is like, yeah, 690 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: he's a good looking guy. Like as him being a 691 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 2: good looking guy and anything to do having an affair. 692 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: That's hired me so much. I'm like, and is as 693 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: if she's not a good looking woman who deserves a 694 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 3: faithful husband. 695 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: I don't understand that at all. 696 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: And it's funny because sometimes Paul will say with me 697 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: about we're having a dispute, and he'll say to me, 698 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't the message, it was the messaging. Like I 699 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: the messaging in this was so bad. I don't even 700 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 2: care what this man chooses to do with his personal life. 701 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me. 702 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: It was this is so disrespectful at his birthday party, 703 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: and how embarrassing too to see him and her and 704 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: I love you and amazing and she's having the best 705 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: night of her life and she's in her interview saying 706 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: how amazing is And that's the number one thing that 707 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: people hate about an affair, not even the act, but 708 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 2: feeling like the fool. 709 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: The fool, right, Yes, that's it. That's the worst, not 710 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: knowing the secrets, the deceit, the deceit because you feel 711 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: like such an idiot. 712 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: And everybody else knew and it's taught. 713 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're the village idiot totally. 714 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: So been there last relationship. 715 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: But wow, gods is like this was like design for you. Yeah, 716 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: you feel like the idiot fool. 717 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's I mean, listen, there is such 718 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: a thing. I don't know if it's happily ever after. 719 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 3: I'm in the healthiest relationship right now that I've ever 720 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 3: been into my adult life. But my ex and I've 721 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 3: spoken about this on my podcast and he knows it. 722 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: And but he I was. He was a chronic serial 723 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 3: cheater and I learned. I learned the biggest life lesson 724 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: truly of my forty eight years through that relationship. And 725 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 3: it hurt and it sucked. And do you know how 726 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 3: many dms bephany I got from other women like, uh, 727 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 3: are you still with that guy because he's boning my friend? 728 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 3: I mean, like whole day long. It was devastating and hurtful, 729 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 3: and then you lose your s of self and then 730 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 3: you're walking on eggshells and then you're gas lits. So 731 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 3: many times you don't know what the truth is, what 732 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 3: the lies are. I was in that kind of relations 733 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: show that and so I get it. I know that 734 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 3: feeling of just betrayal. It's like the it's the worst, worst, 735 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 3: worst feeling, and then you and then you can only 736 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 3: blame that person and point the finger so long before 737 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 3: you have to point the finger at yourself and go, 738 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: why why am I staying? What is my part? How 739 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 3: have I contributed? Like? Why why did I allow that? 740 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 3: I knew the truth? You know, I allowed it one 741 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 3: too many times. So I had a lot of healing 742 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 3: to do from that. Yes, exactly, yeah, I had. 743 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 2: There was a woman on New York Housewives and I 744 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: brought in to the show the fact, and I was 745 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: very upset to do it, and she wasn't a good 746 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: friend of mine, which I was, I admitted, but she 747 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: wasn't not on the show with me, and it was 748 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: sort of my responsibility, and I did bring it into 749 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: the show. There was a man that she was with 750 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 2: that she was about to marry, and I thought he 751 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 2: was terrible. So it's a little bit of a different circumstance. 752 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 2: And someone married for years, loves him and has four kids, 753 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: someone is about to marry someone who everyone knows is 754 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: a cheater and not a great guy. And I brought 755 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 2: it into the show, and I still it came back 756 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: like a boomerang, and I still felt bad about it 757 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 2: because she ended up marrying him, and she was one 758 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: of the women that doesn't want to know. And so 759 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: I realized there are women that don't want to know 760 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: and a woman who and I'm not saying the guy 761 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: did anything. I don't know a thing about this man, 762 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: but a woman of four children who's happy certainly doesn't 763 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: want to know. 764 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 3: No, No, it's so funny you bring that up because, 765 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 3: oh god, I'm saying probably more than I should. But 766 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 3: when my last partner went on to get in another relationship, 767 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 3: people are like, oh, man, do you think she knows? 768 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: Like once you're you know, a leopard doesn't change his stripes, 769 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 3: Like is she just going to be the next person 770 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 3: dealing with this type of devastation or whatever? And my 771 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: yoga self is over here going, oh, people change, like 772 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 3: I really do. Do you wish everybody the best? I 773 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 3: wish I've win the best. It doesn't It doesn't behoove 774 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 3: me to wish people misery and pain, right, But I'm 775 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 3: like you know, people do change, maybe changed, maybe they're 776 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: you know, she's the perfect fit for him and good 777 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 3: for them, happily ever after whatever. But then it's also, 778 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: like I said, the same thing I said, also, maybe 779 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 3: maybe she's that type of woman who's like maybe they 780 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 3: haven't don't put a relationship right, I know, maybe like 781 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: she's like down with like three simes, or maybe she's 782 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 3: fulfilling that need that he never received with perhaps me 783 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 3: or other women. So you just don't know what's going 784 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 3: on within people. 785 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: No, exactly. 786 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: Most women have some sense of something and they choose 787 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: their own adventure. But that's the thing about back to 788 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 2: being on a reality show, and I'm with you that 789 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 2: I think it was entire I think she handled herself 790 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: with grace. 791 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: I really do. 792 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 2: She didn't go crazy, which I would have gone crazy, 793 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: and she was very civilized, and she was very embarrassed, 794 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 2: and she was honest about being embarrassed, and she was like, 795 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: please just retract this, Like she was really very dignified 796 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: in my opinion, in that scenario. And then Teresa acted 797 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: in a way as if she Teresa. Actually I never 798 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 2: knew the word gas lip back in the day, and 799 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: it's overused, but it's used properly here in that Teresa 800 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 2: was gaslighting her by projecting the fact that she had 801 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: just said something about Teresa's daughter like you're a piece 802 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 2: of shit, Like I mean, Jackie was entirely justified in 803 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 2: saying it would be like me hearing a rumor about 804 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: your daughter and saying and it really hit close to 805 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 2: home for Teresa. 806 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: I also think she knew she was so in the 807 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 3: wrong already that it just gave her a reason to 808 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 3: eject herself from the whole thing. That's kind I think 809 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 3: she was just like, oh, okay, fine, I'm gonna get 810 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 3: so pissed about this and just leave. It appeared to 811 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 3: me like she that gave her some type of ammunition 812 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 3: to justify leaving the conversation. 813 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: When was the ultimate turnaround? Yeah, so yeah. 814 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: So it's funny because I've been having this fleeting thought 815 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: of like, should I be doing this show anymore? Because 816 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm coming so heavily against this entire genre, not just 817 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: of this show, but other shows and just a genre 818 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 2: of mistreatment in a very new medium in the world 819 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 2: compared to television and film and all this. And then 820 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 2: I have conversations like this and I realized why I 821 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 2: am doing it, and I like this show because we're 822 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: utilizing it as a vehicle. We're not trashing bashing, like 823 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 2: we're actually understanding people that have been portrayed badly on 824 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 2: these shows. So I love doing it and you are 825 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 2: so perfect to do it with because you attribute it 826 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: to your own life, which I'm sure you never thought 827 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 2: you'd be doing. 828 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 3: No. But at the end of the day, I mean, 829 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: I love women, I just do. That's why I enjoyed 830 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 3: watching this episode. Was reminded of how firstly funny a 831 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 3: lot of it was for me. I giggled a lot. 832 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 3: I like, you know, when you're talking back at an 833 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 3: episode or a TV show, you know it's a good one. 834 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 3: But like, I do have compassion for everybody, and I 835 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 3: just I felt compassion for Jackie in that situation, you know, 836 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 3: like talking shit at Teresa. Sorry, not sorry Teresa. You know, 837 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 3: but but I think you know, we all, you know, 838 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 3: it's kind of the beauty of life, Like we're all 839 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 3: just living our own journey, but it's nice to dip 840 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 3: into other people's journeys and it's it's fun. 841 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, you were amazing, I mean really amazing. You look beautiful. 842 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: I'm so happy you're in a beautiful relationship in a 843 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 2: beautiful place. And I'm happy you didn't do the Housewives 844 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: because it would somehow swallow you up and spit you out. 845 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 2: And the risk is too great at a place in 846 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 2: your life where you are now middle aged and you 847 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 2: are happy, the risk is too great. Look, you know 848 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: Kathy Hilton left. She did not need that. So I 849 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 2: think everything happened. 850 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: For a reason. I appreciate you coming and talking. 851 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 3: About it, Bethany. I really am a fan of yours 852 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 3: and I love what you put into the world and 853 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 3: you you you have a communication style I will never 854 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: ever have you just so like your opinion, Like you're 855 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 3: just so interesting and raw, and you don't think before 856 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 3: you speak, but you're so good at it, you know 857 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like you don't need to and I 858 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 3: love what you do as an activist, and I love 859 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 3: that you are in the middle of this important conversation 860 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,439 Speaker 3: during the strike and who knows what's going to happen 861 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 3: with all that, But like we need people like you, 862 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 3: and so you should come on my podcast sometime. I'd 863 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 3: love to talk with you about some of the these important, 864 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 3: deep issues. 865 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: I think it would be great, perfect, wonderful. 866 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 3: And how you've changed, Like I love hearing you say 867 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 3: about your own evolution and looking back and you know, 868 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 3: reflecting on what those shows meant to you, you know 869 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,839 Speaker 3: at that time in your life, and how we all are, 870 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 3: you know, shedding different versions of ourselves and end up 871 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 3: you know anew and maybe that's you know where you 872 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 3: are right now. So I don't know, but I like 873 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 3: to get into it with you. 874 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: Amazing love to thank you so much, Kat, thank you. 875 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: I have a great day.