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Speaker 1: Aren't. Hello, everybody nailed it joined us always buy ours

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Speaker 1: bar Gas. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: For what you know, I don't think Romeo Dobbs, I

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Speaker 2: don't know that they're there. To me right now, it's

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Speaker 2: like they're where they were. I don't think they're worse

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Speaker 2: and wide receiver, I don't think they're better. You know,

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Speaker 2: you hope there's some internal growth from some of those

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Speaker 1: So I think in a lot of ways too, they

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Speaker 1: just needed to get somebody in here that had turned

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Speaker 1: the contract. So no, he's god like designing. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a better player than I gave him credit for.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that because he's a Patriot. Now.

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite part about this time of year, Alex,

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Speaker 1: is when you have all these preconceived notions about players,

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Speaker 1: and we go through the draft and all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and you watch all these guys and research all the

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Speaker 1: guys ahead of time, and then you get to the

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Speaker 1: draft and they put a little elvis on their helmet

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Speaker 1: and you're all of a sudden, You're like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of like this guy, and it just like.

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Speaker 3: Changes your tune just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I try not to do that too much, but it

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Speaker 1: does happen every time and time again. And I would

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Speaker 1: say Romeo Dobs that was number one in this free

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Speaker 1: actually I could see how they could use this guy.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, Evan Alex Barth, Alex behind the Glass. I like Ace.

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Speaker 1: Actually I like the nickname because then you both are

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Speaker 1: named Alex, and it gets a little bit confusing, so

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Speaker 1: like Ace just kind of narrows it down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Start going, Ace behind the Glass and catch twoin two

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Speaker 1: will be with you for the next couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: talking Patriots, talking free agency, talking draft, talking NFL news.

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Speaker 1: I want to start there on today's show and just

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Speaker 1: mention off the top, Barth, is that the last two Wednesdays, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: within an hour of two o'clock, there has been major

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Speaker 1: Patriots breaking news two weeks ago. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: the reported Stefan Diggs release at the time. Last week,

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Speaker 1: they signed Kevin Byer literally forty five minutes after we

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Speaker 1: that has anything to do with us. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: what is the breaking news that is going to happen today?

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Speaker 3: Are they going to like trade for a J Brown?

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Speaker 1: The Patriots fans are waiting. I think if they did that,

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Speaker 1: we might have to turn around and come back into

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Speaker 3: At the fire back up. I think so.

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Speaker 1: But let's let's start with NFL news with this Jalen

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Speaker 1: the Patrio that we didn't get to last week, like Byered,

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Speaker 1: but obviously yesterday big trade in the NFL. I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different layers to this trade from

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Speaker 1: a Patriots angle, But the trade Jalen Waddle to the

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Speaker 1: and a fourth round pick swap, and we got that correct.

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Speaker 1: they didn't swap picks, right, it was just a fourth,

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Speaker 2: That's just kind of how the NFL offseason works sometimes,

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Speaker 2: They skewed the market right. The value for a J.

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Speaker 2: Brown has been you go back to the dk METCALP

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Speaker 1: Hold on to him rather than lose the trade him

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Speaker 3: I Howie Roseman is not losing the training So.

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Speaker 2: Is there a chance the Eagles elect to just hold

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of reporting them. They didn't want to, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that this was a really good offer. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Plays such older digs two years older when they made that.

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Speaker 2: One more thing on AJ Brown. Yeah, quick, the follow

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I guess the reporting on that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that that's how both sides feel.

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Speaker 1: Like we had my drothers, like, I'd probably want to

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Speaker 1: at with doubt. As far as the Dolphins and you know,

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Speaker 3: They just got there, So they're.

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Speaker 1: Not they're not even if they win three two three

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Speaker 3: So they have some leash here, they have some runway.

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Speaker 1: I just look at this Dolphins team and I look

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Speaker 2: I kind of the Jets are just gonna bought them out.

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Speaker 3: But the Jets are botting up for the second year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no quarterback this year, but like unless they

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Speaker 1: But the Jets to me, and I said this yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's when they get the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but you how long are you are you?

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Speaker 1: Realistically and let's face it, like Aaron Glenn was teetering

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Speaker 2: I think next year, so better quarterback class. The idea

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Speaker 2: what the class wand up being. But there's a lot

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Speaker 1: I just always feel like that sounds great, that sounds

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Speaker 1: I think this is a big reason why the Patriots

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Also, we're trying to like give the Jets benefit of

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Speaker 1: The Dolphins are more Why.

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Speaker 3: Are we giving the Jets any benefit of the Doubt's

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that that we're trying to ascribe logic to

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Speaker 2: what they're doing. Oh Okay, the Dolphins make less sense

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Speaker 1: Have some pieces like that weren't bad players.

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Speaker 2: We gotta have one big year in free agency. You

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Speaker 2: you're the Dolphins, and that's what you're doing, Like, all right,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna blow the roster up, new coach, new GM.

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Speaker 2: We want to start out with fine, And this is

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Speaker 2: nothing against Milik Willis. Why do you pay Malik Willis

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Speaker 1: You're trying to do both at the same time.

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Speaker 2: And like the Dolphins confused me a lot more. We

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean right, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: I just know that.

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Speaker 2: I think this is his second year actually, so, because

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Speaker 1: This is January twenty five. So the whole point that

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting out with all of this is like,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you need to be the Patriots

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Speaker 1: and go from four and thirteen to fourteen and three, right,

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Speaker 3: Owners in this league get cold.

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Speaker 1: Feet, They get impatient, They get worried about the public

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Speaker 1: But at some point, like you need to start winning

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Speaker 3: It's fine, Like just go out there and coach.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: That seems like the goal here, you know, to a

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Speaker 1: We know what Gino Smith is and it's not good.

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Speaker 2: and get in position for one of these guys next year.

439
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 2: Arch Dante more Ligway saying like, sure, I think that

440
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 2: that's just what they're trying to do.

441
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I get we win some games eventually.

442
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 2: The difference to me again is that we can argue

443
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 2: whether or not the Jets are doing the right thing.

444
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 2: I more or less know and understand what the Jets

445
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 2: are trying to do. I don't know what the Dolphins

446
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 2: are trying to do, and they might not know what

447
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 2: they're trying to do.

448
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what either of these teams are trying

449
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 1: to do. If you're trying to win football games, I

450
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: don't know what you're trying to do. Anyways, moving on

451
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: from that, we did get a little bit of coaching

452
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 1: staff news from the Patriots in the last couple of days.

453
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on quickly, so Drell Williams' assistant

454
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Speaker 1: head coach, that is his official title, Zach Corr now

455
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: officially official again, I think we kind of you know,

456
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: Raybill confirmed it at the combine, so it's not totally news.

457
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Speaker 1: Defensive coordinator Vinnie de Palma, who was basically the inside

458
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Speaker 1: linebackers coach last year when Zach Korr had to elevate

459
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: the play caller. Yeah, last year, he's going to take

460
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: over at inside linebackers. They added three new coaches to

461
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff, including Charles London, who has some experience

462
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: in the league, some experience with Rabel pass game coordinator

463
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Speaker 1: with Mike Rabel in twenty twenty three quarterbacks coach. So

464
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: that's a that's a coach in Charles London that has

465
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Speaker 1: some chops like he has some experience in the league

466
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Speaker 1: and has some you know, has been a high ranking

467
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Speaker 1: coach before on a staff and then to Coaster their

468
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: offensive line assistant. So now they have three offensive line

469
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: coaches again with Ryan Cooler leading Robert Cooler. Ryan Couler

470
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Speaker 1: is the director, Robert Coogler leaving to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

471
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Speaker 1: So they have that going on again with the line coaches.

472
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Speaker 1: But just your reaction thoughts on Terrell Williams in his

473
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Speaker 1: new title. I think it's still going to be a

474
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Speaker 1: lot of defense focus. Yeah.

475
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Speaker 2: I mean, good for them for figuring out a way

476
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Speaker 2: to keep everybody on board, right, and Zach Korr deserved

477
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: the promotion, but you'd hate to see Trell Williams lose

478
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Speaker 2: his spot because he was dealing with the serious illness.

479
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 2: So keeps everybody involved in it's you know, it sounded

480
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: like last year once he you know, came back in

481
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 2: the capacity that he did. And we don't know exactly

482
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Speaker 2: what Terrell Williams did, but like sounds like he was

483
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: just kind of a senior defensive advisor sort of thing. Yeah,

484
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: and clearly that worked, like the defense was very good

485
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: down the stretch. So it sounds like they've just kind

486
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: of formalized the titles to keep everything the way it

487
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: was last year was it don't change up the mac

488
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Speaker 2: and cheese. I guess we'll leave that in twenty twenty five,

489
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: new team, new saying. But it allows them to kind

490
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Speaker 2: of function It sounds like the same way they functioned

491
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Speaker 2: for most of last year, which obviously worked.

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we talked to a Vaybel on Patriots

493
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Speaker 1: dot COmON at the combine and I asked him if

494
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Speaker 1: he could go into more detail about Terrell Williams's exact

495
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Speaker 1: role in terms of at the time we didn't know

496
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Speaker 1: the title, but in what it's going to be, and

497
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Speaker 1: he said that it's going to be very much still

498
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Speaker 1: defense heavy, you know, and he's going to be doing

499
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Speaker 1: a lot of coordinating type of responsibilities, presenting, you know,

500
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: talking to the players and meetings, a lot of focus

501
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: obviously on his expertise on the defensive line and developing

502
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: defensive linemen as well. And then he also just mentioned

503
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Speaker 1: sort of an overarching culture building and extending Mike Rabel's

504
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: message without within the walls, you know, and that sort

505
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: of thing, and sort of just being another extension of

506
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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel and setting the culture as well. But I

507
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate how this all went down, of course, and

508
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: I want to be sensitive to that. But at the

509
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: same time, this does feel like a really good role

510
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: for Terrell Williams in terms of what I understand of

511
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: him as a coach, Like he seems like more of

512
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: a developer of players, a mentor type figure, a really good,

513
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Speaker 1: you know, fundamentals type of coach, really a really good,

514
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: big picture type of guy.

515
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: He's more and I mean, this is no slice just

516
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: usually you put coaches into one of two baskets, yeah,

517
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: player development and like schemer.

518
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you put the more in the player development. Yeah.

519
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: And Zach Kora I think has sort of the scheming

520
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: play calling a sort of gene within him. So to

521
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: kind of get the combination of those two guys I

522
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: think is really good.

523
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 2: You know, you want a good mix, it's usually hard

524
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: to get it from one person.

525
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not exactly the same because of where they are,

526
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: you know, their titles and things like that. But before

527
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: it went belly up with the Patriots at the end

528
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick, like Girod Mao and Steve Belichick kind

529
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: of had a good thing going on on the defensive

530
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: side of the ball there for a couple of years

531
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Speaker 1: before you know, twenty one twenty two, Like those were

532
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: good seasons on the defense, and Girod Mayo was much

533
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: more sort of the big picture culture tone setting, you know,

534
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: player developer type of coach, and uh and Steve was

535
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: really the the because of the nose and the mastermind,

536
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, making the play calls and all that kind

537
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: of stuff. And this is gonna sort of make a

538
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: similar sort of approach, just hopefully with more success, you

539
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: know in terms of team teams winning, you know, in

540
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: terms of wins and losses. But all good stuff there.

541
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: And the last thing I wanted to cover before we

542
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: get into our exercise here on the roster reset on offense.

543
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: We didn't. We weren't on the show for you know,

544
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: Kevin Byerd. He signs with the Patriots forty five minutes

545
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: after we signed off.

546
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: I heard a couple Julian Hill was that team too,

547
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: and Mike Brown.

548
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna mention Jillian Hill as well. I

549
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: think that's another one that's worth bringing up. But what

550
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the buyered signing?

551
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. What was my big

552
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: thing that I wanted them to do on defense?

553
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 6: Oh?

554
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this playmakers playmakers, he gets the football. He's also

555
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: a good veteran still playing at a high level. If

556
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: they're going to this, I understand that they're going to

557
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: the more multiple safety, Like we're not going to have

558
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: the box safety and the free Safety're gonna have a

559
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: couple of guys that can do both and move them around.

560
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: But if they need to put guy, everybody's better at

561
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: one thing than the other. There really aren't any guys

562
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 2: that are truly just as good as so when they

563
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: kind of have to snap into strength on strength. Greig

564
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: Woodson more of a box safety, Kevin Byard more of

565
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: a free safety. So they fit the mold even though

566
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: both guys are have to have some good what's the term.

567
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking for flexibility or whatever.

568
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: That's not the word.

569
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Speaker 2: But I like the signing, I really do. I still

570
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: want them to add a safety.

571
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Speaker 1: I've been big on this. You know this. I want

572
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: them to have.

573
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: The flexibility of three safety stats. Bayard is also thirty

574
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: three years old, so you got to kind of think

575
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: about and on one of your deal. So you got

576
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 2: to think about life after him. But man, so you're

577
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: gonna have and Greig Woodson a great, great rookie year,

578
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: but it is a workier like there's always run to grow, right,

579
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a second year safety in Craig Woodson.

580
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: They should add somebody in the draft. What a great

581
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: mentor to have for a young safety room too, can

582
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: kind of do you hope what Morgan Moses did for

583
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: that offensive line room at pound for pound probably my

584
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: favorite signing that they made. I think that the whole

585
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: free agency great, great move.

586
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: You weren't you were patting the table for more turnovers

587
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: and just looking at it right now. And I know

588
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: that the numbers improved with the playoffs, but let's face it,

589
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: a lot of that was c J. Stroud in the

590
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: in the Texans game, Like you know, they had what

591
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: five turnovers in one game there, but they only first

592
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: forced a nineteen takeaway. Yeah. Regular season they were boughtom

593
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: half of the league. Yeah, which was if I'm just

594
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: eyeballing it, like tied for like twenty twenty first nineteenth.

595
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it on PFR. So, nineteen turnovers

596
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: produced last year by the Patriots defense. Kevin Byer produced

597
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: seven all by his loan, yeah, last year. So certainly

598
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: checks that box. He obviously has a great comfort level

599
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: with the defense and with the system and with the

600
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: coaching staff. So you talk about mentoring Craig Woodson like

601
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: you did, it's not even just that this guy has

602
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: longevity in the league. He also knows the defense like

603
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: the back of his hand, right, So there's a you know,

604
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: both elements there that he's able to check both boxes

605
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: and try try to bring you know, Craig Woodson along.

606
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: You watched it, You watched safeties yesterday, Right, I have

607
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: I have some thoughts on are we going to do

608
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: a recency buy?

609
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have something on them in the second hour.

610
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: The other thing that I would just mention with the

611
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: Bayered thing. This happens sometimes at safety a lot like

612
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: it happens at quarterback. Where As the player ages, he

613
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: might decline in terms of his athleticism a little bit

614
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: incrementally each season.

615
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: But what he declines with athletically, he gains.

616
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: In knowledge answers to the test. Baby. Right, and this

617
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: guy when you turn on the tape of Kevin Byrd

618
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: and granted some of the interceptions. I was texting you

619
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: about this after the signing. Some of the interceptions weren't

620
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: against the great quarterback. He didn't have a couple off

621
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy.

622
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: He had at least one off JJ.

623
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Speaker 2: But you know what you talked about, You talked about

624
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: with the Jets and the Dolphins might be bringing to

625
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: the table this year.

626
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: Well, Gino's in the division. He picked off Geno twice.

627
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say I mentioned this before about Geno.

628
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: The one thing you say about Geno Smith that guy's

629
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: a metash comes to Giett Stadium his last two games

630
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: at Jalette Stadium there he tore the Patriots, including this

631
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: year with the Raiders, he tore the Patriots up.

632
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: He also had one in garbage time against Joe Milton. However,

633
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: I when I watched all of them, I didn't necessarily

634
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: think that any of them were There's one against Jared

635
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Goff that was on a tip throw.

636
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: There were the other six were legit picks like these

637
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: were not.

638
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, Devin mccorty used to have those against

639
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, where he just standing, you know what? Fun?

640
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: That wasn't this though.

641
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: But you know what, also in the NFL, just nowadays,

642
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: and sometimes it's the schedule is act, what kind.

643
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: Of quarterbacks do you play?

644
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: More like the Zach Wilson, JJ McCarthy types or the

645
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: you know better ones.

646
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of a guy, couldn't think

647
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: what who else did hetch? Jared Goff?

648
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: The Jared Goff's yeh, Josh Allen's yeah.

649
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: So Jared Goff was the one that that was a

650
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: tip throw. He picked off Jalen Hurts, all right, He

651
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: picked off whoever was starting at for the Saint set

652
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if it was shuck Er

653
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler, so not exactly like a world beater.

654
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: But again, there's more of those quarterbacks in the league

655
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: than yeah, then the the Josh Allen's and even like

656
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: the Jalen hurtses.

657
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: So he did a lot of.

658
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Back to the good parts of it, though I have

659
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: not seen a lot of safeties that have the route recognition, instincts, anticipation. Basically,

660
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: we can all put this under the bucket of ball hawking.

661
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Like this guy, he understands exactly what you're trying to

662
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: do to the defense, Like this route's gonna clear me out,

663
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: and this route's gonna fill in, and I, you know,

664
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here, but I'm not going to

665
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: overplay the route because i want him to throw it.

666
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make it look like it's open for

667
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: a split second and then I'm gonna jump the route

668
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go the other way. His instincts and

669
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: his route recognition and anticipation are elite to lead to

670
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: lead like really really really good some of the best

671
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: that I've probably seen during like this era. Like obviously

672
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: you go back to like the Ed Reids and stuff

673
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: like that, but Bayern is just looking at the production too.

674
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: He's one of the best ballhawks of his era. I

675
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: don't think that's hyperbole to say that. You know, he's

676
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: been an interception machine throughout his entire career, so that's exciting.

677
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: Because I do think that they needed to turn the

678
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: defense so the offense over more. I think I think

679
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: they needed to have more takeaways.

680
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: They need to be more playmakers on defense. You're very preventive,

681
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: but they need to be more playmakers. And thanks the

682
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: person the chat. The word was versatility. I believe I

683
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: forgot that.

684
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: The one other thing I would say about the Buyers

685
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: signing though, And look, some of this was just his

686
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: usage last year with Chicago, But when I watched him

687
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: either playing man to man or matching receivers like it's

688
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: man to man down the field, those instances were a

689
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: little bit shaky, like I didn't necessarily love him in

690
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: those types.

691
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: Of receivers meaning pass catchers or receivers meeting literally wide receivers.

692
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: Either like either slot receivers like Romeo Dobbs who got away.

693
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: How do you feel about him covering tight ends? It

694
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: depends on how good the tight end is. If we're

695
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: talking about a below average, like a you know, low

696
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: level starting tight end in this league. I think they

697
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: could probably get away with it if you're talking about

698
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: one of these dynamic receiving tight ends. You know, if

699
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: they're playing Buffalo and it's Dawson Knox or it's Dalton Kincaid.

700
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't love that matchup for Kevin byern So in Chicago,

701
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: they kind of got a beat on that and sort

702
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: of recognized at this stage of his career, this is

703
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: a guy that needs to be watching the quarterback size

704
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: and jumping routes like that, that's what we want this

705
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: player to be doing. So they played him almost exclusively

706
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: up top in the middle of the field as a

707
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: deep safety. Now he'll rotate down and you know, do

708
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: all the different types of post snap coverage rotation type stuff.

709
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: But he was a help zone defender, like he was

710
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: not playing a whole lot of man to man When

711
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: he was in Tennessee with Rabel, you saw a little

712
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: bit more of the man to man stuff kind of

713
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: what the Patriots did with their safeties last year, where

714
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: you know he's covering the slot. You know, he's carrying

715
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: slot verticals if they go from three by one to

716
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: do by two with motion. Now they're going to check

717
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: in this thing where the safety has a slot receiver

718
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: in Manta man like little nuances like that. I don't

719
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: know if I would love him in those spots. And

720
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: you just mentioned kind of safety still being in need

721
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 1: and still attacking that and all that kind of stuff.

722
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: I think that that's where they might need to still

723
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: dip into the safety market. Is we want Craig Woodson

724
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: to be on all three levels and doing his thing.

725
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: You want him to fly around like he did last

726
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: year and play a bunch of different wear a bunch

727
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: of different hats. You want Kevin Byer in the deep

728
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: part of the field doing his ball howking thing. So

729
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: that third safety then becomes a factor of whether it's

730
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: covering the slot, whether it's covering tight ends, whether it's

731
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: playing in the box, like all these different types of things.

732
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Like that's the type of guy that I think if

733
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: you're just looking to acquire or draft somebody that's complimentary

734
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: to what you have and not necessarily looking at who's

735
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: going to start on this team twenty twenty seven and beyond,

736
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: you're looking for that type of player, But does that

737
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: contradict their starting sort of traits long term, you understand

738
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that might be the best player

739
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six Patriots, but is that the

740
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: best player for the Patriots twenty twenty seven before everybody?

741
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: You know, you're not gonna find a guy that's just

742
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: equal fifty to fifty bucks and free, Like most guys

743
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: are better at one thing, even if they can do both.

744
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: So you find a guy who's more polished as a

745
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 2: box safety, who you think has some upside to play

746
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: on the back end, and you bring him along primarily

747
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: playing near the line of scrimmage, with the idea that

748
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: in a year or two, you know at you're gonna

749
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: coach him up on expanding his role to play more

750
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: on the on the back end of things, and then

751
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: down the road he'll do more of that. That would be,

752
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: to me the kind of guy you're looking for. So

753
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: you know, I know you watched them these guys yesterday.

754
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: I did AJ Halsey. I freaking love AJ hawlsey Man.

755
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: That dude is a missile.

756
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the most fun like, hard hitting enforcing safety

757
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: in this group. Yeah, this doesn't McNeil Warren right like that.

758
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: The Patriots take as a key, Wheatley would be a guy.

759
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: He's like a pure free safety to me. I think

760
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: he plays deep okay, the Penn State kid, Yeah yeah,

761
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: I think I think he's an uptime.

762
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you watch VJ. Payne from Kendasy,

763
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: I did.

764
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: I watched him this morning.

765
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: The Three Guys. I really VJ. Payne was weird to me,

766
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do some of this in recency bias,

767
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: but it's topical right now. VJ. Pain, I didn't want

768
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: to give you one more thing after this. He ran

769
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: a four four, but he doesn't play like he ran

770
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: a four to four, and I don't know if that

771
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: is mental.

772
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was.

773
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: My thing, Like he popped at the combine and I

774
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: was like, who the heck is this guy?

775
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when you turn on the tape, he

776
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a dude that runs a four to four.

777
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: So whether again that's a mental hurdle, like instincts.

778
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: At the combine, like he just moved really naturally to combine.

779
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, he just doesn't.

780
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't like show that kind of speed on tape, okay,

781
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: And so that that was my one hesitation with him,

782
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: But I think he can do a lot of the

783
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: different things that you know, they they expect their safeties

784
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: to do. You know, I really like Bud Clark from TCU.

785
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that if you're looking for a Craig Woodson

786
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: type safety, if you just want to have that Craig

787
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Woodson Jalen Hawkins interchangeable safety type of thing going on,

788
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: Bud Clark does all the different things that they want

789
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: to do. He can match in quarters, he can play

790
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: some manta man, he can play over the top, he

791
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: can come downhill and fill the run. Like there are

792
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: all those different elements that they ask their safeties to do.

793
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: Those are like the three or four main boxes. I

794
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: would say you need to be able to cover from

795
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: depth because when you play quarters, they're gonna get matched

796
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: up on the slot occasionally, whether it's quarters or it's bunch,

797
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, formation rules and stuff like that. There are

798
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: times where the Patriots safeties get matched up on slot receivers.

799
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: So you have to be able to cover like that.

800
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: You have to be able to cover out of quarters

801
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: too and catch guys from down the field. You know,

802
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: you're playing at like nine ten eleven yards off the ball,

803
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to catch those guys

804
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: down the field. You have to be able to play

805
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: split or post over the top. You know, you have

806
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: range from sideline to sideline. And then I would say

807
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: those are the three most important boxes. And then the

808
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: last box you would check is if you can bring

809
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: some physicality and down hill, you know, thumping to the

810
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: blitz and run game, then like that's an added bonus

811
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: cherry on top. They did a lot more of that

812
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: obviously in the playoffs than they did in the regular season,

813
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: but that's sort of the cherry on top. And that's

814
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: this is why they moved away from Jabrill Peppers and

815
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: Kyle Duggar because those two guys were not playing with

816
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: that kind of range at the safety position, and they

817
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: need guys that can cover, like they need guys that

818
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: can cover a lot.

819
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: So then let me ask you one more thing you

820
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: talked about. You know, if they add this third safety,

821
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: you probably wanted to be a box guy, but you

822
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: also need somebody to develop as the free safety, like

823
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: the box roles would exist right now, So you need

824
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: somebody to develop as the free safety behind byered, you know,

825
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: you're burning two roster spots here.

826
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: But what if you took a guy like Wheatley.

827
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: Or whatever, one of these guys that you think profiles

828
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 2: more is a deep safety, and then you drafted either

829
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: like Kyle Lewis or Harold Perkins as coverage line coverage

830
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: line back to do so you split the role between

831
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: two players.

832
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: You could do that. You could absolutely do that.

833
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: And I texted you yesterday, I'm yeah, he was one

834
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: of my recency bias guys. Let's just do recent he

835
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: lies well. Harold Perkins was just on my list because

836
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: the rules, the movement skills are just so obvious, Like

837
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: he's just a great athlete, and I think that there's

838
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: always a combination of these things. You know, he gets

839
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: injured in twenty four. Do you watch any of him

840
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: before the injury. I didn't, but I know that he

841
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: was more explosive and a better athlete pre injury, which

842
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: makes sense. But he, you know, injures himself in twenty four,

843
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: has the torn acl He comes back in twenty five.

844
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't quite have the same burst and explosiveness and

845
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: closing speed, but you still see a lot of the

846
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: athletic traits. You see a lot of the versatility to

847
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: play the star what they call the star, which is

848
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: the nickel and a lot of defenses.

849
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

850
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: You know, he has that ability about him too. He

851
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: has some pass rush ability because of his history as

852
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, really good pass so looking blitz and

853
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: stuff like that as well from off the b There's

854
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: just a lot to like about him as a player.

855
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: And you're probably gonna get him lower than he was

856
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: expected to go. And I think he was expecting a

857
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: top fifteen Peca and so this is a combination though

858
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: of like he got hurt ye and then he also

859
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of didn't live up to the LSU hype right,

860
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Like he's at LSU. He was living up to it

861
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: before he got hurt. Yeah, but he's wearing number seven

862
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: and like all that whole thing. And so now everybody,

863
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the market has just you know, soured

864
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: on him completely. It's a good linebacker.

865
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: I thought that he that he.

866
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: Looked like a guy that could really help a guy.

867
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: You know, right now, he's expected to go early day three.

868
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: They have that pick at one twenty five. You could

869
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: even move up a little bit with those four to six.

870
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: He's just a really good football player, and you know,

871
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: two years off the knee, and he's still young. I

872
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: think he's twenty two years old. Two years off the knee,

873
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: you expect him to get some more of that explosiveness back,

874
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: some more of that twitch back. He's entering his eight

875
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: twenty two season, turns twenty two and September, so he's

876
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: still really young, still has a lot of runway.

877
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: You know.

878
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: I if you tell me to take him at sixty

879
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: two sixty three, I would say there's probably better linebackers

880
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: on the board. But fourth, for what we've seen him

881
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: do in the past before the injury and the fact

882
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: that he because people well you didn't want them taking

883
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: Chris Bell, that's a lot higher. And he's coming directly

884
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: off the ear. We've at least seen Harold Perkins back

885
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: on the football field. He's made some plays. Maybe not

886
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: the rad he did, but he's made some plays. I

887
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: I think that that he rules. I would love to

888
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 2: see him be a Patriot. Okay, did you watch Kyle

889
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: Lewis too?

890
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Or I did watch Kyle Lewis and I see them

891
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: kind of similarly. You know, guys that you know what

892
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: I really liked about Kyle Lewis is that he made

893
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: a lot of plays on the other side of the

894
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Yeah, he could shoot gaps and he

895
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: could really get on the other side of the line

896
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: against the run or like an end around er jet sweep.

897
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: He just shot right in the backfield and made the

898
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: tackle in the backfield. He has some of that coverage flexibility.

899
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: I think that he's more of a natural zone dropper.

900
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: But that's okay. But you talk about you know, I

901
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: just talk about all the split safety stuff they do

902
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: with the quarters stuff and the Cover two stuff. You

903
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: can put him as the pole runner in the middle

904
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: of Cover two. You can put him as a hook

905
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: defender in quarters, which are not easy assignments for most linebackers,

906
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: Like when you ask guys like that to either have

907
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: eyes to the front side of the formation and carry

908
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: verticals from the other side or run right up the

909
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: shoot of the middle of the field at you know,

910
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: linebacker size, like those are not easy things to do.

911
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: But Kyle Lewis is a guy that could probably do that.

912
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I wish he was a little bit more physical, you know,

913
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: in terms of his run fits and things like that,

914
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: and you know, he's more of like I'm going to

915
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: shoot gaps and get on and you use my speed

916
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: to get on the other side of the line and

917
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: not necessarily something that's like compressing space and taking on

918
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: blockers and things like that. I think Harold Perkins has

919
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that take on, you know,

920
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: twitch and power to his game, probably because of his

921
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: past rushing days, so like he has a little bit

922
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: more of that, you know in his game. But both

923
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: those guys, I feel like are are pretty similar. I

924
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: guess Kyle Lewis probably goes a little bit higher, just

925
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: because this tape last year was better.

926
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not coming out, he doesn't have to knee

927
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: injury history. But they're similar those two guys. In Halsey, man,

928
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: I just you put one of those three guys in

929
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: the middle of your defense, and I think you're good

930
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: that those are guys can get their hands on the football,

931
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: or you just recreate LSU. Take Halsey and Perkins and

932
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 2: I mean.

933
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: They Halsey was fun.

934
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: He's He's one of those players though that has some

935
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: wartz for sure, Like if you put him into a

936
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: deep safety and if you put him in foot races

937
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: and like things like that, then it's not going to

938
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: go so well for him.

939
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: So there's moments on there's a lot of peaks and valleys.

940
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: On his heat.

941
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: Do you view him almost like a linebacker?

942
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a like a hybrid safety. Yeah, you know,

943
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: like a just like they used to use, like a

944
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: guy like Kyle Duggar. Now he's the biggest safety in

945
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: this class. Like that was the one thing I had

946
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: about these safeties when I was going through him. Halsey's

947
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds and at least acquording to

948
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: he's probably more than that my draftable. Yeah, that is

949
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: the biggest safety in the class in terms of weight.

950
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: It's even bigger than McNeil Warren because McNeil Warren is

951
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: a little bit leaner, Like he's like six three two ten.

952
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Uh So this is not a big safety class now,

953
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: Is that because a lot of those guys that were

954
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: too twenty plus or technically linebackers, like we just mentioned

955
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Lewis. I think in a past life, Kyle Lewis

956
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: twenty years ago might have been considered to a lot

957
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: of people to be a safety. But now in today's

958
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: day and age, he's a linebacker. And as I was

959
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: going through the linebackers, you know, I'm writing down to

960
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five a lot, and I'm like, okay, well,

961
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: these guys are just modern linebackers. These guys used to

962
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: be strong safeties, right, so the safety is in this group. Uh.

963
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: To me, if there's one, I don't even know if

964
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: it's a knock.

965
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: But there weren't a whole lot of guys that were

966
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: A big and B were like real true tone setters,

967
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: like enforcing type of safeties. There are a lot of

968
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: guys that can cover though. You know, we we mentioned

969
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: a couple of them. But you know, I was watching

970
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: the kid from from Arizona this morning. What's his name?

971
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: It's escaping me.

972
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh, the hybrid corner safety.

973
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Genesis Smith, right, something like that. He's good.

974
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: No, No, not him, it's Genesis.

975
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

976
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: They have a couple hyperd guys. Yeah. So he can

977
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: play the slot or he can play free. He played

978
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: free last year and twenty five played more of the

979
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: slot twenty twenty four. Uh, so he can do a

980
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: little bit of both. Kill Gore is a slot to me,

981
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: true nickel, Uh, bigger nickel. Then you have a guy

982
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: like Ramsey from USC who's a really good cover player

983
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: in the deep part of the field. You know, there's

984
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like that in this class that

985
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: are really, really good in coverage. I just was wanting

986
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: more in terms of physicality and what they brought in

987
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: the run game. But if you had physicality and we're

988
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: really good in coverage, then you're Dylan.

989
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: Dynaman and then you're right.

990
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

991
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: But that that was just my thoughts on the safety class.

992
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: Uh, let's let's get into the other exercise that we

993
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do. You know, we can talk more about

994
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: draft prospects throughout this entire thing, so plenty more to

995
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: do on the draft there. But as I normally do,

996
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: I we wanted to reset the roster here post free agency.

997
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: Uh we'll start with offense this week, and then next

998
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: week we'll do defense. We'll get to a couple of

999
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: positions and we'll take a break and we'll finish up

1000
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: on the other side of the break. But we can

1001
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: start with quarterback and that will be quick and easy.

1002
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: Uh So three quarterbacks right now on the roster. Uh,

1003
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: some guy named Drake May, Joshua Dobbs, and Tommy DeVito.

1004
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: So I think that you know the facilitation question here,

1005
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: which is how I kind of set this up I'll

1006
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: read the names and then I have my my host question,

1007
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: uh to present to the to the group, is this it?

1008
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: Like are they senate quarterback?

1009
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: They'll add they'll add a fourth guy forgetting right, but like,

1010
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: is it Ben Woolridge or is it somebodys so someone

1011
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: a little bit better.

1012
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how you know how much you know

1013
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: about Joe Fagnano.

1014
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: Not a ton so he was.

1015
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: He's like, I think, seven year college player, he played

1016
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: it Maine for most of his career, went to Yukon

1017
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: last year. Is only year as a full time starter.

1018
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: Through twenty eight touchdowns and one pick. And you know,

1019
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: he's got good size six three to twenty five, like

1020
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: just accurate, kind of understands the guests.

1021
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: He's the game well, you know, for he's played a

1022
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of football.

1023
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: For guy coming out of the Dragons, Josh McDaniel's third

1024
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: or fourth quarterback, Okay, he's probably gonna go you know,

1025
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: late day three or undrafted.

1026
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: So we're we're definitely and we're both aligned in the

1027
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: fact that the the if they add a quarterback, it's

1028
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: going to be six seventh round UDFA priority free agent

1029
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: type of status. We're not talking about them actually using

1030
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: a legitimate draft pick. Let's call it top one fifty

1031
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: on a quarterback this year. I got obviously the backup

1032
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: Drake may or not.

1033
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I butchered that name, by the way, Uh Finano

1034
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 2: I got.

1035
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm terrible with names.

1036
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got one more for you, a quarterback.

1037
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 5: Did you why?

1038
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: Because I asked you this? I don't think you watched him,

1039
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna ask did you watch Haynes King?

1040
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: No? From Georgia Tech.

1041
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: I wonder if Hayes King's future in the NFL is

1042
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: at another position? Okay, and that could be something.

1043
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna go late tick he gets drafted.

1044
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: Uh more physical like he's not. He's he's really good

1045
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: with the ball in his hands. He just you watch

1046
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: him at Georgia Tech. He's just like a winning football player,

1047
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: Like he makes plays. Ran a four four six forty

1048
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: with a three eight nine three cone of the combine.

1049
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: He's six two to twelve. He's just not developed enough

1050
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: as a passer, and he's already older. I think he

1051
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: was in college for five years. Like, I mean, the lazy,

1052
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: the lazy comp is uh take some hill. Yeah, and

1053
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: he's probably more of a running back than the tight end.

1054
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: But like, okay, out of that that, he's probably on

1055
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: my radar more than any quarterback.

1056
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: Adding an athlete back there that maybe is a in

1057
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback stuff with Yeah, yeah, okay, I guess I

1058
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: could feel that. I I don't think that. You know,

1059
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: when the Tommy DeVito contract numbers came out, there's a

1060
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: lot of WHOA, that's a lot of that's a backup

1061
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: quarterback contract. I think it could be. I don't see

1062
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: them moving on from Joshua Dobbs. Maybe they do that

1063
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: after this season. I think Dobbs is only on a

1064
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: two year contract contract. Yeah, but I think this is

1065
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: pretty much it.

1066
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: Just do me a favorite at some point, wat change King.

1067
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try. Let's move on to the running backs.

1068
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1069
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: I got five running backs on the roster currently, ramondra Stephenson,

1070
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Treveon Henderson, Terrell Jennings, Land Larison, and Elijah Mitchell signed

1071
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: a futures deal, so he's still here as well. My

1072
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: question to you is this, because you know my disdain

1073
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: for drafting running backs, they should Here's my question though,

1074
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: Just allow me to facilitate. Are we ruling out Land,

1075
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: Larison or Terrell Jennings as a third running back. I

1076
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: more specifically want to talk about Land Larison, Yeah, because

1077
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: he's sort of the forgotten one because of the injury

1078
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: in this group.

1079
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: Or do they need to look to the draft.

1080
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: Not rolling them out?

1081
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: But I would like to have more competition for that

1082
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: spot than Larison and Jennings. I also I need realist,

1083
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: like it's real way too early to do this. Do

1084
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 2: we think they can get Land Larrison in the practice squad?

1085
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: Do we think they get Jennings practice?

1086
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: Who the heck knows what happens in camp, Like if

1087
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: he has a great and then he went with the job.

1088
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 2: But like we saw how fast that that depth evaporates

1089
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: that you want four guys in the building. Now you

1090
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: only need three on the roster, but you want four

1091
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: in a building, or maybe you draft some guy late

1092
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: and he's the one you get on the practice squad.

1093
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: I want to see him at a running back. I

1094
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: don't think they need to do it in the top

1095
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: one fifty. But even with that one seventy one pick,

1096
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: I think is their fifth round pick. Like, yeah, I

1097
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: do think they should add a running back. I want

1098
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: more competition in that room. Demon Claiborne somebody I look

1099
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: at from Wake Forest. You know there are some guys

1100
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: later that might go undrafted. I'm guessing you haven't watch

1101
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: ja not so. Jay Nott's interesting because he was like

1102
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: the man at Cal as a sophomore. Then he got

1103
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: hurt and he transferred to Oklahoma and he just kind

1104
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: of never played. So it's there's one unbelievable and he

1105
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: looks like at Josh McDaniel's running back. I mean, you

1106
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: watch him at Cal and it's he's such a fit

1107
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, but he hasn't done anything in like

1108
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: three years. So is that a guy you take a

1109
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: flyer on late or is he udfa kind of similar?

1110
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: More of a powerback. CJ.

1111
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: Donaldson was awesome. He's a converted tight end. His makeup

1112
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: super interesting. Was that West Virginia It was really good.

1113
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: Transferred to Ohio State, got buried on the depth chart

1114
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: behind a guy.

1115
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: How about this? He goes by Bo Jackson because he

1116
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go you know, he doesn't want to

1117
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: get confused by the guy who's really near. I don't

1118
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: know that's why.

1119
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: But like his nickname is bo Jackson, his real name

1120
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: is Lamar Jackson.

1121
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: So he doesn't want to go by Lamar. So it was

1122
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: by Bo the generational guy.

1123
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: I don't know that's for sure why, but I find

1124
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: that amusing. But anyway, there's a bunch of running backs

1125
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: you can get like it's not a good runs and

1126
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: guys like and Adam Randall. Adam Randall might go too high. Yeah,

1127
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: his stock is shooting way up. And I know he

1128
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: was here yesterday.

1129
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: Did you watch him?

1130
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: I've seen a couple of highlights of him.

1131
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: I haven't really and watched as the highlights I saw

1132
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: a lot of them were him playing receiver. He hasn't

1133
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: played running back down well.

1134
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean, which is fine, Like, but

1135
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: you know.

1136
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: I gotta you gotta watch it. He took a thirty visit.

1137
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: I know you don't like watching the Day three running

1138
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: back I watch.

1139
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: I know I'm not rolling out Larison.

1140
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: I just want more competition. Sure, I think the question

1141
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: with Larison is just, uh, you know, I look at

1142
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: Larison as a pass game player. I think that that's

1143
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: how he's going to succeed in the NFL. Now, is

1144
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: there a little bit of you know, some versatility to

1145
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: run the ball in sub package and catch passes kind

1146
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: of like James White's role, where like James White still

1147
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: ran the ball a little bit when they spread it out,

1148
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like early down you know bell cow

1149
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: type of running. Maybe that's the case a runner a

1150
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: little bit. He's like so good in the.

1151
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: Spring last year as a receiver.

1152
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: Mike comf for him remains Brandon Bolden.

1153
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: He's not as big as Brandon, He's not as big as.

1154
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: A band in Brandon Bolden, but mainly a special team's guy.

1155
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: But he keep him as your last running back.

1156
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: He can catch the guy you're described.

1157
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: I I will know Rex burke Hat had a bigger

1158
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: offensive role.

1159
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: So you don't think that land Nearrison is going to

1160
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: play as much on offense as Burkhead. Not immediately, maybe

1161
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: in a couple of years, but you don't think he

1162
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: like do you think he has the potential because Brandon

1163
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 1: Bolden is a twenty twenty six Brandon Bolden's in a

1164
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: break glass in case of emergency running back for the Patriots.

1165
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: Maybe a little more than that, right right, Ed Kidd

1166
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: played like as a factor, he played a feature role.

1167
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes factor he was a factor back except whatever's in

1168
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: between that. But in twenty twenty six, closer to Bolden.

1169
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm not giving up my Landlarrison stock.

1170
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: I will I'm not either, Like I'm not, but I

1171
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: liked what I saw last spring. The injury was obviously unfortunate,

1172
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: but if you look at what he did last spring

1173
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: and then before he got hurt in training camp, like,

1174
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of something there. I do,

1175
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: so I would hold out hope there. They want to

1176
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: throw a sixth round pick, they have four six round picks,

1177
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: so if they want to use one of those picks

1178
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: on a running back, I'm not like, no one's going

1179
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: to lose any sleep over that. I'm not going to,

1180
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, be mad at them for it or anything

1181
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: like that. But you're invested in Remandra Stevenson, You're invested

1182
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: heavily in Trevon Henderson as a top second round pick.

1183
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: Part of investing in those guys is making sure you're

1184
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: not running them into the ground. Sure, so I think

1185
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: the guy that can kick a third guy. They don't

1186
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: need to spend anything significant.

1187
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: I tell you, like one seventy one if they want

1188
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: to trade up a little bit, like I fifth round

1189
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: to meets the ceiling for taking a running back, but

1190
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: they should take one or get one of those udfas

1191
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: that I like.

1192
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: Potentially, I would say kick return.

1193
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: To like it a lot of those guys I just

1194
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 2: named her.

1195
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: Potentially on a kick returner right as well. So interesting

1196
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: group there with the running backs. Let's do the tight

1197
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: ends and then we'll take a break. So at tight

1198
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: end as of right down, I I combine this with

1199
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: tight ends and full backs. We have Hunter, Henry, Julian Hill, CJ. Dupree,

1200
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: Reggie Gilliam, brock Lampy technically Jack Westover as of right

1201
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: now on the exclusive rights free agent tender, and Marshall

1202
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: Lang tight end that is kicking around on a futures

1203
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: contract as well. So we know Henry, Hill, Gilliam are

1204
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: all going to be here. I don't know what they

1205
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: do in terms of their depth at full back. It

1206
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: just maybe one of those guys sticks around on the

1207
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: practice squad just in case Gilliam gets hurt, right and

1208
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: they have.

1209
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: A backup full back.

1210
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: I think the biggest question that I have going in,

1211
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: and we didn't talk enough about Julian Hill because we

1212
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: got kind of sidetracked. So we can do that here

1213
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. Does adding a pure blocking tight end

1214
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: like Julian Hill change the draft outlook in terms of

1215
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: the type of tight end that you're looking for them

1216
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: to add, Like, now, would you feel more comfortable because

1217
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm usually anti this, but would you feel more comfortable

1218
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: with a true move with the slot receiver tight end

1219
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: and like an Eli Stores or Michael Trigg or somebody

1220
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: like that.

1221
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: And like Michael Trigg, I also like Taikwon right by

1222
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: the way, that's the day three version of He's the

1223
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: day three version Michael Trigg. I think it opens the

1224
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: door more for it in the immediate But part of

1225
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: the drafting a tight end take to me this year,

1226
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: especially if you're gonna take a guy on the higher end.

1227
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: And Sam Rousch has moved right up to the edge

1228
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: of the top one hundred on the consensus board. Oscar

1229
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: delp Ran a four to four to eight today he

1230
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: might be a top one hundred pick.

1231
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1232
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: Part part of the draw there if you're taking a

1233
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 2: guy high is this isn't your tight end to long term.

1234
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: This is the guy that's eventually going to step in

1235
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: front Henry and I want that tight end that's gonna

1236
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: be on the field most of the time to be

1237
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: able to do everything. If you draft Michael Trigg, or

1238
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: you draft Justin Joe Lee, or you draft Tanner Kozial, Right,

1239
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: that's your tight that's a long term tight end too.

1240
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: You still, I still would want them to come back

1241
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: next year. Okay, who are you drafting to be the

1242
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: well rounded tight end to play next to that guy?

1243
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: Whereas if you draft again delp Claire or Roush, like

1244
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: that guy's eventually stepping in for Hunter Henry and then

1245
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: maybe next year you go find the pure receiver tight

1246
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: end too, You go find your Mike is Sicki or whoever.

1247
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: So you know they're better suited for it this year. Sure,

1248
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: it makes it a little easier to handle one of

1249
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: those picks, I think, but I still want them to

1250
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: take a more long term approach at this position, and

1251
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: to me, that includes a blocking element.

1252
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so I've watched a handful of these guys, so

1253
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: you have you know Stowers right, Yeah, Trigg, Eli, Raridon,

1254
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: I'd probably throw in this receiving tight end.

1255
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 3: He's bigger.

1256
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: I think he can block a little bit. No, No,

1257
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: he's he's too he's too tall. Jack injuries injuries from Tenris. Yeah,

1258
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think you watch Cozy a lot of

1259
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: people like, Yeah, I wasn't as high on him as

1260
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: some others, you know, but Rared and Injuries are two

1261
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: guys I think that have like maybe frames that they

1262
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: could fill out, Like they're not Stowers and Trig Stowers

1263
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: and trigger slot receiver.

1264
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 2: Did you watch one more? Did you watch right?

1265
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: No? Not yet. But the one guy that I would

1266
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: say stood out to me out of this group, and

1267
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: I know we're both Sam Rousch people, Dalen Bentley from Utah,

1268
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: I think, is another guy that has that more well

1269
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: rounded thing going on. He's two fifty plus, but he

1270
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: can move, He's athletic, catch the ball well. I really

1271
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: liked what I saw out of him. I thought that

1272
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: that was a good, perfect blend of like sort of

1273
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: size six four, two fifty good athlete, gets up the

1274
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: field well, contract the ball over his shoulder, up the seam.

1275
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: I really liked what I saw out of him. Maybe

1276
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: someone like him or Rausch, I think they're both kind

1277
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: of similar type of players. Roush is a little bit bigger,

1278
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: but both those types of guys to me, are a

1279
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: little bit more of the well rounded type. But I

1280
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: am cautiously coming around to maybe getting a little bit

1281
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: more receiving pure receiving upside.

1282
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: I think it helps you in twenty six. Yeah, it

1283
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: definitely helps you more in twenty six now than it

1284
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: would have before. It's just maybe no again, we're still

1285
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: gonna come back next year, saying they need to find

1286
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: their like number one tight end.

1287
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, where are you with Max Claire?

1288
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I see people that are super

1289
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: high on Max Claire out of Ohio State, like surefire

1290
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: second round pick type, yeah, you know player, and then

1291
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: I think that there's some people that are on a

1292
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: little bit lower on him.

1293
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably not as high as most people. I

1294
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: think he's projected to be like a late second early

1295
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: third round pick. That's probably about right. I don't see,

1296
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: and you know, the the boards changing post combat, I

1297
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: didn't see the gap so wide between him and like

1298
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: Rausch and Delp that I was like, well, if I

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Speaker 2: can get him at yeah, sixty three, because you have

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Speaker 2: to take him at sixty th right, or raushit ninety

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Speaker 2: or Delp at ninety six or Raushit one twenty five. Like,

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think the GAP's that big now

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00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: that those guys are shooting up maybe you know, shooting

1304
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: up the board maybe becomes more of a conversation, but

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: I still would rather I think he's a good player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: I'd still rather take Rauscher Delp a little bit later.

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna end up in about the same place.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the thing with this tight end class

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: that it's been.

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: There's so much depth. I really don't need You don't

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: need to rush to take a tight end.

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Speaker 1: Right, and there's certain guys that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: take it sixty three. I don't even know if Stower

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00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: is gonna make it to sixty three, but let's just

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Speaker 1: say he does. You know he's there at sixty three.

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Speaker 1: Max Claire, I think you would have to take it

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00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: sixty three. Trigg and Jolly, maybe you could get it

1319
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Speaker 1: at the end of the third round. Maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: Trigg is really limited in terms of his size. The

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00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: cool thing with Trigg is just like he's got that

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Speaker 1: catch radius. Yeah, so that he's a great athlete. May

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00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of sense. Specifically, I wasn't a

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Speaker 1: huge fan of Jolly.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I thought he was stiff.

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Speaker 1: He's a lower centered center of gravity guy. I think

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00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: he's only like sixty two. He's a little bit stiff

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00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: in his movement. It's like a good linear athlete, like

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Speaker 1: I think he can run seams and things like that,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't really see a whole lot of change

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Speaker 1: of direction with him.

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Speaker 3: As a player.

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Speaker 1: So then you get kind of into the delps in

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Speaker 1: the in the injuries, and the in the raridans and

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Speaker 1: the roushes, you know that that sort of tear. I

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01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: think that the tight end sweet spot for them is

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Speaker 1: the fourth round. I really do. I think the top

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Speaker 1: their first fourth round pick, one of these guys that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about right now is still gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: Uh and maybe even two of them in the fourth round.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like, you know, like you said, the

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Speaker 1: guys in the top one hundred versus the guys that

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Speaker 1: are gonna go there. I just don't think there's a.

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Speaker 2: Even things start flying off the board like it ninety six.

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: I could be sold on the right guys, So sure,

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Speaker 2: Jolie to me is interesting, you said that like little

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Speaker 2: John new smithish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, I don't really uh, I

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Speaker 1: get concerned about guys that are stiff that at pretty

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01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: much every position like I I maybe it's like Johnny

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Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry PTSD where it's just like these guys that

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Speaker 1: are kind of more clunky, rigid type of movers like

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Speaker 1: Jolie I think can run the scene and get up

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Speaker 1: to a good speed doing that, but if you ask

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Speaker 1: him to actually make a cut those guys in this offense,

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Speaker 1: it's not a great history. It's a concern. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and when we come back,

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Speaker 2: A little bit of Patriots breaking news, okay, I said

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Speaker 2: the studio in the break Cortner, Ryan Fatler. They I'm

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Speaker 2: just bring up because we just talked about him. Is

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Speaker 10: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So there's a safety for you. So we just talked

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01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: about him a little bit. I think that he's a

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01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: pure coverage player, Like he's definitely a good athlete. Fluid

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: can play a sideline to sideline, good range over the

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Speaker 1: top of the defense. I wouldn't necessarily say that he's

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01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: a big time, you know, box player, not a big

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: time physical guy. But I think what we saw last

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: year Alex with the way that they are moving at safety,

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: we mentioned you know, Pepper's and Dugger again, Like, I

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01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: don't think that I'm not saying that they want guys

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01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: that can't hit, like, that's not the right way to

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: put it, but they certainly want guys that can cover

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01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: and cover a lot of grass and cover a lot

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01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: of space before they start worrying about what that player

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: is going to do up at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's sort of how they feel about it.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned to you just now off the air,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if some of that's a little bit just

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01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: like Mike Raable as a outside linebacker in his career,

1433
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: being like, let's let the two hundred and fifty plus

1434
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: pound guys worry about stopping the run and let's have

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01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: the safeties, you know, protect against the past. So they

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01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: want their safeties to be pass game players, like they

1437
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: want their safeties to be cover guys first. And I

1438
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: think that we leave from Penn State definitely fits that

1439
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: mold like he's that type of dude for sure. So

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01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: there you go in the building him and Adam Rain.

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01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: Should we take these calls because these guys have been

1442
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: waiting for a while, and then we'll finish up the

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01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: roster reseat here, Patty's an aguan.

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Speaker 3: What's up Patty?

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Speaker 11: Hey, good afternoon guys. First off, Evan, I just want

1446
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 11: to say I loved your take yesterday. I'll see you

1447
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 11: about the Patriots and not boxing themselves into a corner

1448
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 11: with a J. Brown, you know, because they have to

1449
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 11: it made. It would just make sense for them to

1450
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 11: take a receiver in the draft. That way, they they

1451
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 11: don't lose a little bit of leverage there. They need

1452
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 11: upgrade their receiver anyway, And I did want to talk

1453
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,919
Speaker 11: up about two receivers. One of them is Antonio Brown

1454
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 11: and Alex Dammit, you kind of stole my take. I

1455
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 11: got a feeling, and I had this feeling for the

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 11: last couple of weeks. I just I haven't really like

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01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 11: called or talked about it because I think there's been

1458
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 11: a lot of fatigued regarding the player. But I think

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01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 11: if we get into the first week of June, and

1460
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 11: there's like no deal in place. I could see this

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 11: thing getting really ugly, and I could see, like you know,

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Speaker 11: I could see Brabele not wanting to move up his

1463
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 11: spot of giving up a first round pick, and like

1464
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 11: him and Howie Roseman getting into a big piston contest,

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01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 11: and eventually AJ Brown is just gonna shoot his way

1466
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 11: out of town. That's the opinion I have. I could

1467
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 11: just see it getting to that point. That X wide

1468
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 11: receiver I want to bring up is Top Douglas. Now,

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 11: let's rewind till last summer. I went to two practices,

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Speaker 11: the first Saturday practice and the joint practice with the

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Speaker 11: Washington Commanders. I had the pleasure of meeting both of you,

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Speaker 11: respectively on each one of those practices. But I'll say,

1473
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Speaker 11: and I think coming out of just the training camp

1474
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 11: practices in general, the Mario Douglas was the best player

1475
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Speaker 11: on the field on those two practices that I witnessed.

1476
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 11: I didn't get a chance to really watch the defense

1477
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 11: on the joint practice, but he was the best player.

1478
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 11: And it just hasn't translated into production on the field.

1479
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 11: And we're going into what you're four with him. I

1480
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 11: think it's time that we make an upgrade. And I

1481
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 11: hate to say that because I do like I do

1482
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 11: like the player, I like the skill set, but and

1483
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 11: I don't think it has a problem. I don't think

1484
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 11: it has anything to do with his height because May's

1485
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 11: favorite receiver at North Carolina was Josh Downs and I'm

1486
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 11: going to keep pounding the table for this guy. But

1487
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 11: if if we're going to get a just a completely

1488
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 11: slat centric receiver, I love Skylar Bell in that position.

1489
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 11: He does that position versatility, but he's great at all

1490
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 11: three levels too. I just wanted to get your guys

1491
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 11: take on that, and I'll take it out there.

1492
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 3: And thinks thanks for the call of Patty.

1493
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1494
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing with Pop to me is

1495
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: is between the years.

1496
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: Like it's route running, it's feel for zone, it's knowing

1497
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: what you know, where the leverage read is, and understanding

1498
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: all the options that are involved in playing the thought

1499
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: role in this offense. I don't think that Pop Douglas's

1500
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: problem is physical by any means, whether it's height or

1501
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: it's separation ability. In fact, he's probably the best pure

1502
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: separator they have on the team, just in terms of

1503
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: the metrics and all that kind of stuff. But The

1504
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: problem with him is is when when to sit in

1505
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: the zone, Where to sit in the zone, when to

1506
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: break in, when to break out, you know, reacting quickly

1507
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: to those types of things too, and not you know,

1508
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: having the luxury of time in a league like the

1509
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: NFL where things happened so quickly. If he can develop

1510
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: in that area of his game, I think he made

1511
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: some strides in that area last year, just not enough.

1512
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: You know that that role in a Josh McDaniel's offense

1513
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: is a thinking man's role.

1514
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would bet on him growing rather than rushing

1515
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: to replace. And like Patty brings up Skylar Bell, Right,

1516
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: that's top one hundred pick. Right, Pop Douglas played twenty

1517
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: six percent of the snaps last year. Yeah, so you're

1518
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: talking about maybe not getting one of those tight ends.

1519
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: We were talking about not getting one of those safeties.

1520
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: I would say in theory tackle, I don't know what

1521
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: tackle you're taking there, but like, right, do you really

1522
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: want to use a top one hundred pick to move

1523
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: off a guy who played to replace a guy who

1524
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: played twenty six percent of the staffs last year. And

1525
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 2: I'd rather count on just internal growth from Pop Douglas

1526
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: and the next year, you know he's penning for agent

1527
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 2: that's a little different. And then on top of that,

1528
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 2: like if you're adding aj Brown to this mix, how

1529
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: much does that role decrease on top of that? So

1530
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: I just if you want to draft the not gadget guy,

1531
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 2: but like if you want to draft somebody who's a

1532
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: gadget slot right, if you want to draft one of

1533
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: those guys later in the draft, by all means, I

1534
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 2: don't think you know you're creating a hole that you're

1535
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: planning on filling with the top one hundred pick.

1536
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 1: Just keep the player.

1537
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: So I think the thing with Pop too is and

1538
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 3: then we can move on.

1539
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: But when last year you're gonna do with when he

1540
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: started to kind of emerge a little bit, it was

1541
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: down the field.

1542
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: Which is what I've been saying for years him down

1543
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: the field.

1544
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: It was vertical routes down the field.

1545
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: I remember I wrote something about him midway through the

1546
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: season last year when he had like right after the

1547
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: same schame, maybe when he had the big touchdown in

1548
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: New Orleans of like his a dot and his average

1549
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: target depth just skyrocketing. And now all of a sudden,

1550
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: the production is coming with it because they're targeting him

1551
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: deeper down the field. When you try to turn him

1552
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: into you know, the Wes Welker Julian Edelman chain moving slot.

1553
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: It hasn't gone as well.

1554
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 5: Now.

1555
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: He caught the slant against Houston in the playoff game

1556
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: and that was probably the brief moment of that sort

1557
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,879
Speaker 1: of flashing a little bit, but the first level production

1558
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 1: has not been there when he has been a vertical

1559
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: slot and they have targeted him further down the field.

1560
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: That's what he was doing at Liberty in college. That

1561
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 3: might just be what he's more comfortab.

1562
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: Run him down the field. That's what I've been saying.

1563
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Zach is in New Hampshire. What's up Zach?

1564
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 11: Thiy guys, Thanks to Tack my call, no problem.

1565
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 4: Just wanted to say, really glad you talked about Harold Perkins.

1566
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 4: I called him to Unfiltered a couple weeks go and

1567
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 4: asked about him. He's one of my favorite potential players

1568
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 4: for the Patriots. And then my question is who are

1569
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 4: some players in this draft that you guys would be

1570
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 4: willing to trade up from thirty one for? Like how

1571
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 4: far would you be willing to trade up and what

1572
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 4: do you think it would cost? Thanks?

1573
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: Guys problem. Thanks for the call, Zach, good question. I

1574
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: just wrote something about this today. So what the couple

1575
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: names that come to mind in terms of trading up.

1576
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: I was reading Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft yesterday, and I

1577
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: know everybody's upset that he took a nose tackle for

1578
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots in thirty one. Do you see where he

1579
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: had Sadiq going. No, he had him going twenty seven

1580
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: to the San Francisco for a nine. I don't know

1581
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: about that.

1582
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 3: So he had him sliding a little bit.

1583
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: The other name and we got an email from this

1584
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 1: I think is from Barton Poland that I've been seeing

1585
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of traction. I think we touched on

1586
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: this a little bit last week was Jordan Tyson and

1587
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: I bart said that maybe there was some concerns about medicals.

1588
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that. Maybe Dame, but Dame, but I.

1589
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: Don't know if it's like a current medical issue. But

1590
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: he's had a history.

1591
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's okay. All three of his seasons have

1592
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: ended early because of injury. So Dame Brugler had him

1593
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: going twenty four in his mock. Nate Tys had him

1594
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: going twenty nine. So to me, That's where we're at, right,

1595
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: which is what if you can get like that big

1596
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: time playmaker on offense to fall a little bit and

1597
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: let's say it's Sadiq or it's Jordan Tyson or whoever

1598
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: is there at starting at twenty twenty one, twenty two,

1599
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: Like now I'm starting to think, like this guy, you

1600
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: could you can make an immediate impact by drafts, so

1601
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: real quick.

1602
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson as a freshman season ended, he tours a CL,

1603
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 2: MCL and PCL.

1604
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah that then Jorn Tyson did this. Yeah that's who

1605
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: were talking about. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that. I'm

1606
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: not saying you're wrong.

1607
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: I was in twenty twenty two. I'm reading from Lansus Luis.

1608
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: That obviously limited him in twenty twenty three. Yeah, twenty

1609
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 2: four he I think he played the whole regular season,

1610
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: either broke his collarbone in the playoff game or broke

1611
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: it and couldn't play in the playoff game. But that

1612
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: season end with the broken collarbone, and then he had

1613
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: some like nagging hamstring issues last year that he missed

1614
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: time on and off. So he's he has an injury history.

1615
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: Okay, now he's played through more possible than I like

1616
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: he I think he played through some of that hamstring

1617
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: stuff when he wasn't expected to.

1618
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 3: But he's maybe more possible than I thought because of that,

1619
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 3: like Thailand wise.

1620
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: But does that change your opinion of Gaggingham No, not.

1621
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: If I'm the Patriots, because I think with the Patriots,

1622
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: they need to kind of go for ceiling and they

1623
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: need to go for they need to take a home

1624
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: run swing. So if you're getting a player of Jordan

1625
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: Tyson's caliber, just talent on the field, like this is

1626
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 1: the type of guy I've watched probably field well, you know,

1627
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: I love fifteen to twenty receivers at this point in

1628
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: this draft. He Makayle Lemon and Carnel Tate. I didn't

1629
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: watch because I didn't think that there was any chance

1630
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: that the Patriots are going to be able to draft him.

1631
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: So if you're telling me that they're going to get

1632
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: one of those guys that I shaved off the top

1633
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: because I didn't think that he would not work, to

1634
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: watch him. But I don't know.

1635
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I've watched enough of them to know that

1636
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: he's a stuff.

1637
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: The one other name I've kind of seen falling and

1638
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: this is another guy that I really didn't. This is

1639
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 2: kind of on my to do list this week. I

1640
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: didn't do a ton of work on just because I

1641
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 2: thought he was going to go too high. But now

1642
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 2: he's falling. Is Cayden Proctor?

1643
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know play?

1644
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 2: You know projects is a right tackle. Some people have

1645
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 2: him moving inside a guard. I think he should be

1646
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: able to play tackle. Would if he falls do you

1647
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: draft him to kind of be the Morgan Moses replacement?

1648
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: Would you trade up? And I don't think he's fallowing

1649
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: up thirty one?

1650
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: But uh, you know how I feel about this. I

1651
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: want their draft pick to play right away. And I

1652
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: feel that way about Bake Miller. I feel that way

1653
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: about Caden Proctor. I feel that way about Iana Chor

1654
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: Like what if for some like the idea of red shirting,

1655
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're there yet.

1656
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: So I know there was just because felderm has asked

1657
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: me this yesterday, I don't know if there's any truth

1658
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 2: to it. Like if they taken a J Brown, they

1659
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: have to move on from Money Mike when win who

1660
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: does doesn't have guarantee Money's contract?

1661
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 6: Right?

1662
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: Would you draft Hims a right guard and with the

1663
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: idea he's gonna move to tackle. Maybe I don't see

1664
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: him as a guard though I don't either. He's too big, yeah,

1665
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 1: I think he's literally too tall, too big, Yeah, plays

1666
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: too high to playguard. So on the topic of trades though, yes,

1667
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: so I wrote this yesterday. Do say some guy called in.

1668
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this out.

1669
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: Some guy called in to sports some Sunday kickoff and said,

1670
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: I don't understand the value of draft.

1671
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: Picks, and I don't know the history of draft picks

1672
01:14:59,439 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: being traded.

1673
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 2: I do this every year in my notes. Some years

1674
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: I publish it, some years I don't. I did it

1675
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: this year. Here's the history, the last six years of trading,

1676
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: the thirty first pick up and down. So you tell

1677
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: me if you would make these trades. Uh, the one

1678
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 2: last year thirty one down to thirty two and they

1679
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: added one sixty four.

1680
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: Meh, that's not Also not really what we're talking about,

1681
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: going down to thirty two. Yeah no, that was just

1682
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 1: to Pollie Roseman was bored and probably to avoid somebody

1683
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: coming up from behind.

1684
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: That This is also I included picks around it. Well,

1685
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: that one's actually irrelevant. Here we go, Bill's I all

1686
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: want to do trade ups. Let me find the trade

1687
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: ups here, here we go twenty twenty two. The Chiefs

1688
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 2: traded twenty nine, So you're gonna have to give up

1689
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: a little more than this because it's twenty nine, not

1690
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 2: thirty one. Twenty nine ninety four in one twenty one

1691
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 2: to the Patriots for twenty one.

1692
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: That's the cold strange trade. That's the cold strange trade.

1693
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: Would you want the Patriots to make a comparable move

1694
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 2: twenty nine in Hatriots have thirty one, ninety six and

1695
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: one twenty five, so you're probably gonna have to throw

1696
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: something else in there.

1697
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 3: I would probably entertain that, or maybe.

1698
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: That was for twenty one. Maybe you move up to

1699
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: twenty three or twenty four instead of twenty one. I

1700
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: would probably entertain that trade. Okay, I don't, but I

1701
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: think it all depends on who you're going up for. Right, Well,

1702
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: let's let's use Jordan Tyson as the example. You're obviously

1703
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: moving up for a player, right right, I mean, you

1704
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: know who is it? Let's call it? Let me let

1705
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: me look at the Is it Jordan Tyson or is

1706
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: it Cayden Procter? Because now I feel very differently.

1707
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 2: Let's say that, like for a player you want, that's

1708
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 2: what it's gonna take. Let's say you're moving up, Tom.

1709
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 3: I would entertain that trade idea.

1710
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 2: You know that you have to jump the bills of

1711
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 2: twenty six Chicago's at twenty five. Let's say it's that

1712
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: to get up to twenty five.

1713
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, that seems like a lot to get up

1714
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: to twenty five. I thought you said twenty one.

1715
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: Well, but that was twenty nine, ninety four and one

1716
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 2: twenty one, not thirty one ninety six and one second five.

1717
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: I got you. It's I think the issue that I

1718
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: I have with these trades if moving up, is more

1719
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: so that I don't necessarily think that they need starters

1720
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: at all these positions.

1721
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: They need depth, But they need depth like.

1722
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: Linebacker, safety, tight end. Uh, Like where's the even I

1723
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: would say, offensive line, you know, when they're inside or

1724
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: outside way, where's the depth coming from?

1725
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: If they need to make I don't know if they

1726
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: need to make eleven picks and you make a lot

1727
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: of picks.

1728
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: Okay, here's two more and they but they don't need

1729
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 1: them all to be starters. They just need all but

1730
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: you can get depth on the roster and contributing. Yeah. Uh.

1731
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty eight, the Packers traded thirty and one

1732
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: thirty six for twenty six, so.

1733
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: That I would be more call it into I just

1734
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: don't know if you that why you would need to

1735
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: do that, but I.

1736
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because in between let's say you're doing that, Let's

1737
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 2: say you do it to move up to twenty five,

1738
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: like the Bills are twenty six, are taking a receiver.

1739
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: Probably if you want to get Jordan Tice, you're going

1740
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: to have to jump bills that I don't understand that's

1741
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: why you would do it. They do so many things

1742
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: that they just traded for. They just traded for DJ Moore,

1743
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: so maybe they don't feel like they need to do that.

1744
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 2: I've got one more for you. This was in twenty twenty.

1745
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 2: Also in twenty twenty. This is does involve the thirty

1746
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: first pick. Okay, the Niners traded thirty one, one seventeen

1747
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: in one seventy six. The Patriots have picks all within

1748
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: that range. To the Vikings for twenty five, that was

1749
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: to move up and get Brandon Nayuk. So for the Patriots,

1750
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: the equivalent of that would probably be thirty one, one,

1751
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: twenty five and one seventy one.

1752
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: That I could probably handle. Okay, because now we're talking

1753
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: like one seventy, we're outside the top one fifty one

1754
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: twenty five is even fringy. Yeah, in terms of having

1755
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: starter upside out of a pick like that realistically, So just.

1756
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: The reason I run through that exercise, yes, kind of

1757
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: gives you an idea of what it's going to cost

1758
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 2: to move up. It's going to be obviously thirty you've

1759
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: moved up to thirty one. Depending on how high you

1760
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: want to go, it's either gonna be ninety six or

1761
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 2: one twenty five, and then probably one seventy one, depending

1762
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: on how high you're trying to get. That's probably what

1763
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: it's going to cost you to move up about five

1764
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 2: or six spots. And if you want to talk about

1765
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 2: the big trade up, they don't have the ammunition for

1766
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 2: this right now. They would have to make a second trade.

1767
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, the Lions moved up from thirty

1768
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: two to twelve.

1769
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: Oh god, they gave.

1770
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: Up thirty two, thirty four, and sixty six for twelve and.

1771
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 1: Forty six capital, So they'd have to give they would

1772
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: have to find an extra second round pick someone, they'd

1773
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: have to give up a twenty twenty seven pick, or they.

1774
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: Would have to give up something to add a second

1775
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 2: round pick this year.

1776
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: Oh like a like a trade, like a pre draft trade. Yeah,

1777
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: like that.

1778
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's to get up to twelve. I don't

1779
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 2: think they need to do that. Just for those who

1780
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: are curious, that's that's the comp.

1781
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Let's get back to the roster reset. We have

1782
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: offensive line and wide receiver to go. I saved the

1783
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver for last Let's start with the interior offensive line.

1784
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: So the big four Jared Wilson, Elijah Vera Tucker, Mike Onwentno,

1785
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: Ben Brown, and then Makai Butler, Andrew Rupich and Kidden

1786
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: Wallets are still on the roster as well. The question

1787
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: that I posed here, you obviously drafted top one hundred

1788
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: player in Jared Wilson. Last year, you signed a expensive

1789
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: guard in Elijah Aaron Tucker. You're paying an expensive guard

1790
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: in mike On Wenthu. So I don't think that this

1791
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: is moving around in terms of the top four. Ben

1792
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: Brown is the super sub exactly where he needs to be, right.

1793
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: The question with this group as we look to the

1794
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 1: draft and beyond, are we prepping for life after mike

1795
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: On Weno this offseason because I think before Elijah Veritucker signing,

1796
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,839
Speaker 1: I was digging into guards. We were talking guards guards.

1797
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: Now that we're out of this sort of free agency process,

1798
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: with a highly paid guard in Elijah Vertucker, it's a

1799
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: lot of assets to sink into the interior offensive line

1800
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 1: if you go sign Elijah Vera Tucker, draft Jared Wilson

1801
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: last year, and then draft another top one hundred guard

1802
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: this year. Even though I like the guard class, it's

1803
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot to look at to sink into one spot.

1804
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: I think there's guys that, you know, you talk about

1805
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: a project player. I think there's guys can get on

1806
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: day three. I wouldn't be I wouldn't mind a day

1807
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: three guard.

1808
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: Sure, you know they want to add you know, like.

1809
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 2: Armag Reed Adams is a guy I like on day

1810
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: three who I think could step in for Mike and

1811
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: Winnu the guard from Georgia. They have like a big,

1812
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 2: nasty right guard, Michael Morris. I forget which they have

1813
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: two guards in the same round more.

1814
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: I think he was the one that had the good

1815
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: combine too. Okay, Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of that

1816
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: you're you're talking, you know.

1817
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 2: If they want to type the Miami Tap, the Miami

1818
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 2: Pipeline Anez Cooper. I really like he's kind of nasty.

1819
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 2: He's just gonna go later because he's old and he's

1820
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: pretty maxed out. But I wouldn't hate bringing him.

1821
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: So like Michael Morris is the uh the right guard

1822
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: is the big time right guard at Georgia. I say

1823
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: a big time and he's not. He's probably gonna be

1824
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: a Day three pick. But big guy, big dude. Yeah,

1825
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: big athlete, Uh, sort of player that if you're just

1826
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: trying to go for you know, kind of a duplicate

1827
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: of Mike on Winnu. Then he has similar similar type

1828
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: of place six.

1829
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: Five, three thirty four. So yeah, like I think they

1830
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: can get a guy like that on day three. To me,

1831
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: the thing is, what are you doing about? You talk

1832
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: about preparing for life for Mike and went who after Michael?

1833
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: When who?

1834
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: It's about preparing for life after Morgan Moses And that's.

1835
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: The more immediate, that's the more to get there. But yeah,

1836
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,839
Speaker 1: I just want to no more thoughts on the interior.

1837
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: So I just wonder, you know, in that case, like

1838
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, like I said, it's a lot that

1839
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: they have invested in, even though it's not a huge

1840
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: contract like they did just sign Ben Brown too to

1841
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,879
Speaker 1: a super subcontract, so they they have guards under contract

1842
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: that are are not so cheap.

1843
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 2: Here's the one thing about that I do have one

1844
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 2: more thought on guard. I guess, Yeah, you have Elijah

1845
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 2: Verah Talker, who has a significant injury history. You have

1846
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson, who's goldn't be playing center for the first

1847
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: time in the NFL. Those are both kind of what

1848
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: if positions. Ben Brown is the backup to both, so

1849
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: it's not unrealistic to think there's gonna be a scene.

1850
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 2: And I think Jared Wilson will be find at center,

1851
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 2: but Ben Brown's probably gonna start some games this year, like.

1852
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 3: Are but probably Like I think there's a good chance

1853
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: he does.

1854
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: But I don't I would. I find it hard to

1855
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: believe that Jared Wilson is going to be so bad

1856
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: at center that they're gonna have to bench Jared Wilson

1857
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: strictly because of perform.

1858
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: I guess my point is, I wouldn't hate if they

1859
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: carried a little extra guard depth than usual. If Ben

1860
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Brown's gonna have to back up both spots, it's just

1861
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 2: a numbers game. Yeah, If Ben's Brown. If Ben Brown

1862
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: is gonna have to back up both spots, if you

1863
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: carry extra guard depth and that doubles as like a

1864
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: right guard of the future, that's a good use of

1865
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: a roster spot to me, even if it's one more

1866
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 2: guard than usual.

1867
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,959
Speaker 1: I just wonder if maybe as we get into the tackles,

1868
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: is there a guy that kind of has flex so

1869
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's a guard tack You could do that with

1870
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: a guard tackle to Yeah, So that that way there,

1871
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: you're kind of developing him at two positions in whichever

1872
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: one sticks sticks. But looking at the tackles right now,

1873
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: they only have five tackles under contract on the roster,

1874
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: and I'm taught. You know, obviously some of these guys

1875
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: like On Winnu and Vara Tucker have a little bit

1876
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: of flexibility, but I'm not or sure I'm talking I

1877
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: count Kitten Wallace as a guard, but he's another one

1878
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: of those guys. No, I think you're correct. I'm just

1879
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: saying Will Campbell, Morgan Moses, Marcus Bryant, Gutierres and Lawrence Metz,

1880
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: the who they added late in the season last year

1881
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 1: is an absolute giant, one of the biggest human beings

1882
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I don't know if he can play football,

1883
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: but he's absolutely huge. So obviously the big question here

1884
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: with tackle is how high is too high to draft

1885
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses' successor.

1886
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 2: I still think they could do it at thirty one

1887
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: if the right guy's there.

1888
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: That's part one of the questions. Yeah. Part two of

1889
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: the question is where are we at with Marcus Bryant,

1890
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: because I think that he's another one of these guys

1891
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: that I've gotten a few questions about. I'm sure you've

1892
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: gotten a few questions about. I think his ceiling is

1893
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: probably swing tackle. I don't think his ceiling is starter,

1894
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: but there's nothing wrong with having a really solid you know,

1895
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: can he be you know, Lee Adrian Waddle? Can he

1896
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: be Cam Fleming? Can he be one of these swing

1897
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: tackles that starts in the pin.

1898
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 2: That wo'd be huge because right now they don't have

1899
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: a backup left tackle. Yes, And we'll see what happens with.

1900
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: And he played left in college with a Membo on

1901
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 3: the right right.

1902
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with their Munford. You know, maybe

1903
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: they resign him. I know. Mike Grease reported over the

1904
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: weekend that he had off season surgery, so that's kind

1905
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: of delaying his process. But if he can be the back,

1906
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: because they need a left tackle too, and that shouldn't

1907
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 2: be ignored. But for me, if the right guy's there

1908
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: at thirty one, and I think the right guys probably

1909
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: Blake Miller and Caden Proctor, I'm not there with Iana Shark.

1910
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: He's raw.

1911
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 2: But I think if they trade, if they trade Backshore,

1912
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm not there with him. I'm not there with him

1913
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: at thirty one.

1914
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: That's fair.

1915
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: But you know, if Blake Miller Cayden Proctor's there, I

1916
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 2: don't know.

1917
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 1: I like, I get it.

1918
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: Evan, I'm with you. The idea that on paper, your

1919
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: your top pick is red shirting. Now it helps that

1920
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 2: it lines up like there are other really big needs edge,

1921
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: tight end, safety. It's a deep draft at those positions,

1922
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: so you can get the guys you need to get,

1923
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 2: I think without using the thirty first pick on him, certainly,

1924
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: and you're not gonna get as good of a player.

1925
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 2: But like man to be able to sit here and say,

1926
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: left tackle's good, right tackles good, they're young, they're under contract.

1927
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: We just don't have to think about that position for

1928
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: a few years. Oh Man, that that's just such a

1929
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: great place to be just the allure of that.

1930
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: Okay, but it just hard because you know that, I mean,

1931
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't love this process. The issue that I have

1932
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: with this line of thinking is that this is Matt

1933
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Like to Nate's Solder.

1934
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 3: That's what this is.

1935
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 10: Right.

1936
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: The Patriots when they went from Matt Light to Nate's

1937
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Solder were the prime Dynasty Rady era Patriots, Like we're

1938
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: talking twenty ten, twenty eleven, where they're just like in

1939
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: the super Bowl every other year, and I know, the

1940
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: Patriots just we're in the super Bowl. So it's like

1941
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: a little bit contradictory to what just happened. But at

1942
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: the same time, just the way they've moved this off season,

1943
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: the way that we all deep down kind of feel

1944
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: about the team, I think we recognize that there's still

1945
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: one really good draft and off season away from being

1946
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 1: a true super Bowl team, not a team that played

1947
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,600
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. And so if you then go

1948
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: ahead and yes, the insurance on the off and the

1949
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 1: line would be a thing of beauty they'd have, they'd

1950
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: finally feel like, for the first time, maybe in our

1951
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: entire team, you're covering the team that they had tackle depth,

1952
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: which is not.

1953
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: Something that we think.

1954
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: I think I know they still wouldn't have depth. They

1955
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: STI would have a backup, but they'd have two legit starters.

1956
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Well, Morgan Moses is here for another year, going to

1957
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: be the third tackle. If they drafted a guy like

1958
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Blake Miller, I think I can confidently say, if Will

1959
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: Campbell and Blake Miller you're starting tackles in twenty seven,

1960
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: that will be the first time in my entire time

1961
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: coming the team where we're not talking about tackles.

1962
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: So that that there's something to be said for that,

1963
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: no doubt.

1964
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 2: There's also the fact and look, Morgan Moses was a

1965
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: freaking iron man last year and I don't think it

1966
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 2: hasn't really been throughout his entire I don't mean this

1967
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 2: as any disrespect, but he's thirty five.

1968
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they're very aware of that they've been.

1969
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: Having that insurance. Sooner rather than later isn't the worst

1970
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: thing either. It's also just the rest of this draft. Yeah, Like,

1971
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about Caleb Tiernan.

1972
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched him. Yeah, he's a

1973
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: he's a guard. Okay to me, he's a guard that

1974
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,599
Speaker 1: answers out. He's way too some people think he's a guard.

1975
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: He's just asking so Will Campbell's thirty two and five

1976
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: as Yeah, Caleb Tearnan is closer to thirty two flat

1977
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: is he?

1978
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: I thought he came in at thirty three. I'm thinking

1979
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 2: of somebody else then.

1980
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like he is, uh so, okay, you

1981
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: know who? He reminds me of Skarnsky. He reminds me

1982
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of scars and.

1983
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: A little helmet scouting the fair.

1984
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1985
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: I was thinking of O'Brian Parker came in short too,

1986
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 2: But this proves my point, like, it's not unrealistic. They're

1987
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 2: gonna neither backup right tackle to play this year if

1988
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 2: you don't take them at thirty one or even.

1989
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 1: A torn on a on a trade back. Yep, who's

1990
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: the guy? Who are you?

1991
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 2: It's tough because I'm just gonna give you the consensus

1992
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: board real quick.

1993
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1994
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 2: Blake Miller's at thirty five. Ye I guess I mentioned

1995
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 2: Kane bro Kane Brok's at twenty three.

1996
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: Yep.

1997
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: Caleb b Loowan moves at twenty five. He's a left tackle.

1998
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1999
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: Uh, Blake Mill's thirty five. He is at thirty seven.

2000
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 2: Jennings Dunkers at fifty seven, so you're going twenty picks

2001
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 2: down and that's a guard. Cayl Tiernan is at sixty

2002
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 2: seven guard. That's it for the top one hundred. Now

2003
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: you get Demetrius crown Over at one oh nine, raw,

2004
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 2: Brian Parker at one eleven might actually be a center. Yeah,

2005
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 2: Austin Barbert won thirteen, He's fine, but I don't know

2006
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 2: about him. In year one, Isaiah World's coming off of

2007
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: torn acl now ire at Markel Bell at won twenty five,

2008
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 2: who's a project player.

2009
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 1: No love for Jude Bowery from Boston College project player.

2010
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: So I think that crown Over just kind of dug

2011
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 1: into him the last couple of days. I think on Monday, Yeah,

2012
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: this is a toolsy but extremely raw and needs like

2013
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: at least the year right to sit.

2014
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 3: Now, that's exactly what they're asking this player to do.

2015
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 2: Well, but to be fair, and you talk about Morgan Mos'

2016
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: age and maybe it's a little more than that.

2017
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: But he's he fits the suit of a right tackle

2018
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. This guy Crownover is thirty five inch arms.

2019
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: He's massive. So if you if you don't want to

2020
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: do the arm lane thing again. With the tackle that

2021
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: they draft. Then this guy checks all of those boxes.

2022
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: He looks the exact part of a Patriot Josh McDaniel's

2023
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: right tackle. But he is technique and his footwork and

2024
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: his fundamentals are all over them.

2025
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 2: So you would be good with him behind Morgan Moses,

2026
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: given Morgan Moses.

2027
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 3: Eight, if he if they pick it, it's ninety six, right,

2028
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 3: I'm so.

2029
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: I probably yeah, if they pick him in the third round, sure,

2030
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 1: because he's not going to play right.

2031
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 2: He might, yeah, but I guess it's not fair because

2032
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: everybody might play right.

2033
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 6: He is he is.

2034
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: You're so you're confident enough in Morgan Moses, then you're

2035
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: getting that. You feel like you're getting the year for

2036
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: crown Over. Yes, And if they if they draft a

2037
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: guy like crown Over, if they have to come back

2038
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: to the veteran free agent market just to add a

2039
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: guy that's played the position in the league and can

2040
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: start a game or two as a spot starter, then

2041
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: so be that you're keeping a lot of tackles. Well,

2042
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I'd keep five, right, I'd keep Campbell, Moses, crown Over, Bryant.

2043
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 3: Probably I will make it and then maybe another.

2044
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: Five a lot of tackles.

2045
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna have eight guys active on game day

2046
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:00,759
Speaker 3: at least.

2047
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 2: All right, so then you have the three. Well, Ben

2048
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Brown's active, that's six, So.

2049
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 3: We have nine guys active.

2050
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: It's a little bit nine. Yeah, so then you and

2051
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: then Marcus Briant could probably be a healthy scratch to

2052
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: be honest, okay, or Crownovers whichever. Did you watch Markel Bell.

2053
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 3: A little bit but not enough to like have a

2054
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 3: great take on him. He's just huge, Like he's just like,

2055
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean.

2056
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 2: Just because of the Trent Brown comp we have to

2057
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: talk about him.

2058
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think crown Over to me is is

2059
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: not it's not a totally it's right where they probably

2060
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: should take one in the third round right now. Yeah,

2061
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: and it and it makes sense.

2062
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Crown Over at ninety six or Bellow one twenty five.

2063
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 3: I probably go crown Over.

2064
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: Okay. I'd also add with crown Over, he played he

2065
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: started as a tight end, so he's late. He's late

2066
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: to the position. So like, I think there's room to

2067
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: grow there. I think there's some room. This really is

2068
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: a soldier thing. Well, he's not going to be drafted,

2069
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: I joke because Nates Solder started, Oh, yes, yeah, sure,

2070
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: you know this is like, I'll give you a better

2071
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: example because it happened to Elson in the third round.

2072
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 1: The hope would be that this is like if Yodney

2073
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 1: could just had worked out, right, Like this is basically

2074
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for that. You're still not quitting on Yodney. Huh.

2075
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: You know I liked Yodney and yelled defrohold you were

2076
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: you were on? Cloud was right about Ye, you were right?

2077
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: And no, you were right. He's still in the league, right,

2078
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: he's a really good center. Now I like yel defrohole too.

2079
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: They moved on from yell defrohole too quickly. He was

2080
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: a good player, well, David Andrews, they were they were

2081
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: doing okay, I'm just saying playing the guard, right, They

2082
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: were't playing in that center. Yeah, that was drafted as

2083
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: a guard.

2084
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 2: They were okay in the interior at that point. All right, No,

2085
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 2: he's a good player.

2086
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: So uh, let's go to quickly before we move on.

2087
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Bryant stockwatch do you do? How much stock are

2088
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: you buying? And Marcus Bryant, let's just say it seems

2089
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 1: still in the team. I like to seem keep working

2090
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: with h like, is he make the roster next year? Yeah,

2091
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 1: I should.

2092
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he's your answer behind Morgan Moses, but yeah,

2093
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 2: like you said, good swing tackle potential.

2094
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: If I wish that he had won that muscle tight

2095
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: end role, if he had won that would have been

2096
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: like if if he was good enough to have won

2097
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: that and beaten out there Munford for that is actually

2098
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, I'd feel.

2099
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 2: A lot done it in Vegas, I think that's probably.

2100
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: He definitely true, But I would just say with with

2101
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: because I think that that's his seal, the seventh round pick.

2102
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 3: So I think his ceiling his swing tackle.

2103
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 1: If you had told me that by the end of

2104
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: last year he was playing that muscle tight end role,

2105
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: I'd be really but it's into it. Having a good

2106
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: swing tackle is important. You know how much Adrian Wattle.

2107
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, if you had won that that

2108
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 3: tight end.

2109
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 1: Role, and it would help him get the inside track

2110
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,799
Speaker 1: on that on swing tackle, like just not even projecting

2111
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: him as a starter. All right, let's get the receivers.

2112
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: So right now they have eight wide receivers on the roster.

2113
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: They have Romeo Dobbs, Kisehan, Boody, Matt Collins, Pop Douglas,

2114
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams FT and Chisholm, Jeremiah Webb, John Giles. So

2115
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: Webb and Giles obviously spent the season on the practice

2116
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: squad last year. Good practice squad players, especially Giles, you know,

2117
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: with his versatility and his size. So the questions that

2118
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: I have here in terms of facilitation, I wanted us

2119
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: to sort through this wide receiver cluster here at the

2120
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: back end of the first round because he texted me

2121
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: about this yesterday and you were surprised by some of

2122
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: my my answers to this h these questions. So I

2123
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: wrote down these four players in this back end of

2124
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: the first round cluster. Mister doesn't run the forty, Denzel Boston,

2125
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: Casey Concepcion, Omar Cooper Junior, and my guy Chris Brazil.

2126
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: So how let's rank those four? Like, how are you

2127
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: drafting those four as the New England Patriots as the page.

2128
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 2: It's tough because Casey is my favorite of the group,

2129
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,560
Speaker 2: but he's just too redundant to Dobbs. Yeah, like I

2130
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: maybe even a little bit to Kyle, will you unless

2131
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna get really small, do some double slot stuff.

2132
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 2: I just don't see how he plays. Yeah, you know significantly,

2133
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 2: there's a role that it's not what you're taking at

2134
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: the top of the draft. I'd say the same a

2135
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 2: bottle Omar Cooper, Like, they're kind of similar players to me.

2136
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 2: They win differently, but they win differently from the same role.

2137
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 1: I like both.

2138
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 2: I really like Concepcion. I'm seeing right here, he's the consensus.

2139
01:34:58,240 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 2: You know, MA draft pick to the Dolphins right now.

2140
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: That's gonna kill me because that's a great fit. Makes sense,

2141
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: you know, when it comes down to Boston and Brasel,

2142
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't love that Boston didn't run the forty in

2143
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: his prote It's you don't run out the combine. Find

2144
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: nobody runs in the combine. Everybody runs their prote it's

2145
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 2: a safe environment.

2146
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: So that worries me a little bit.

2147
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 2: But I still think that his fifty to fifty ball ability.

2148
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 2: He is really quick, Like that's the thing. He didn't

2149
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 2: run the forty. He did the agility drills and did well,

2150
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 2: so he has some quickness, which suggests that he can

2151
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: grow as a route runner.

2152
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I maybe i'm helmet scouting.

2153
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 2: I'm still a little too scared of the whole outside

2154
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 2: Tennessee speed receiver thing, I'd probably go Boston.

2155
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,639
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's my ranking. I'm gonna I'm gonna rank

2156
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 3: them from four to one.

2157
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: So I guess ranking ranking four to one, rank Cooper, Conception,

2158
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: brasl Boston. But that's fit, that's very heavily fit induce,

2159
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 2: so I had to go best players one to four.

2160
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Conception own, Boston, Cooper, and Brassel are kind of the

2161
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: same to me. So there it's hard to rank them

2162
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: exactly because Conceptsio and Cooper are one type of player

2163
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: and Boston and Brasel or another type of player. But

2164
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: I would personally have this list probably four conceptsi owed three, Cooper, two, Boston,

2165
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: one Brasel, and some of this.

2166
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 2: So brass and Boston are both on the board of

2167
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: thirty one, you're taking Brasel, I'm taking brazl. If if

2168
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 2: Mike Rabile comes pulls you out of this off the show,

2169
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 2: says coming to the draft room, we need you to

2170
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: break the tie. Yeah, you're telling him Chris Brassel.

2171
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm telling him Chris Brasel. And the reason why I'm

2172
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: telling him Chris Brasel is because Denzel Boston's profile as

2173
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 1: a separator absolutely terrifies me, and I look at the

2174
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: way he wins. I look at uh the metrics that

2175
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: you know, I do trust and especially I would say,

2176
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: one of the metrics that really stands out to me,

2177
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: that you know, other than the separation stuff, Yeah, that

2178
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,640
Speaker 1: concerns me is his yards per rout run against his

2179
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: own coverage. Yeah, that's the big one. Right low on

2180
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: that too. If you're gonna be this type of receiver,

2181
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be elite against zone coverage, right like

2182
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 1: big target, find the soft spot, move the chains like

2183
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan was a great zone coverage beating receiver. Denzel

2184
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 1: Boston has a little bit too much like Kean Coleman shades. Okay, right,

2185
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:18,640
Speaker 1: I just I worry about it.

2186
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 2: You liked Boston at the beginning of the process, So

2187
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm just because I was surprised because I thought you

2188
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 2: would say all these things are saying now.

2189
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,759
Speaker 1: I liked him at the beginning of the process because

2190
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 1: I can see how Drake may would like throwing to him.

2191
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Shouldn't that be the most important part? Well, but you

2192
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: have to get open, like at some point if you're

2193
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: a player like that, do you I think that there's

2194
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: a post up role in an offense. I don't know

2195
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: if post up roles are high volume roles in this league. Like,

2196
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: name the guy out of the draft and I'm putting

2197
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: you on the spot, But name the guy out of

2198
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: the draft in the last handful of years that's played,

2199
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: like Denzel Boston that has panned out, Drake London. I

2200
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: think Drake London's got a lot more speed. Do you

2201
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: have a lot more speed or is he just I

2202
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: don't know about more speed. Him and Ted are much

2203
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: better athletes than than Denzel Boston. Donsday's better route runner, I.

2204
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 3: Guess closer, but I think Dunda is a little bit

2205
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 3: more fluid.

2206
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Is better player.

2207
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking at the past draft history. Here,

2208
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 2: can I count the four weeks that Quentin Johnson went

2209
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 2: off this year?

2210
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: Is panting out? No, I know I'm kidding, and like

2211
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 1: the hands are total polar opposite.

2212
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna stick with Drake London. Final answer,

2213
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 2: and then Ted Ted. Last year he hit a thousand

2214
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 2: yards a rookie, But I.

2215
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: Feel like Ted's a much better, much more explosive player,

2216
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 1: especially with the ball in his hands.

2217
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 2: He is better after the catch. But that's right, go

2218
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 2: to like I would agree with you more so.

2219
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: You're you're you're I think, sorry to cut you off,

2220
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: but you're you're saying that the apex are the ceiling

2221
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 1: of the of the archetype of Denzel Boston is in that,

2222
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 1: Drake London, T Higgins, Te mcte mill and I think

2223
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: that that's probably the ceiling of that. And then my

2224
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: floors Keon Coleman, I acknowledge that. And then the Hall

2225
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: of Fame is like Pooka, right, like like that's like, well, no,

2226
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,560
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is like is Pookah Pooka? Pukah's

2227
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: ability at the catch point is is yeah, but he

2228
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: gets open plus almost go like Julio Jones. I was

2229
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, Julio Jones. Now this is not like Julio Jones.

2230
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: But he's way more experient late career. What he's quicker

2231
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: than people giving. I think there is untapped potential later

2232
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 1: on his feet. I think there is untapped potential as

2233
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: a route runner. Okay, he's he's raw, like, it's not

2234
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: a strength of his right now. That's not even to

2235
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 1: say like, okay, he can do it, but it'll get better.

2236
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: It's not a strength of his right now. I think

2237
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: he is the physical ability to develop. Like because you're

2238
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about you're going back in your mind

2239
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: to like Nikhil Harry or Keon Coleman. Yeah.

2240
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 2: I never looked at Keon Coleman and thought he has

2241
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: rumor grows a rout runner. Denzel Boss better than Denzel

2242
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:04,639
Speaker 2: Boston is more fluid.

2243
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: They have to coach that out of them. And if

2244
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: you want to bring up their track record with developing

2245
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: wide receivers, then that's a fair point.

2246
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 2: Like maybe you don't count on them to do that.

2247
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 2: I think he has more potential as a route runner

2248
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 2: than something. So let's look at let's look.

2249
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 1: At some of the guys in that like that have failed.

2250
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 1: Like I said that, his I'll give you one of

2251
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 1: his best quality is his ability to post up on

2252
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: corners and win the ball at the catchpoint. Yeah, that's

2253
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: a skill, There's no doubt about it, and that he's

2254
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: very very good at. If you had better metrics against

2255
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: zone coverage, and it was like he can find soft

2256
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 1: spots over the middle of the field and underneath zones

2257
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 1: and he can win down the field with you know,

2258
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: with the ball skills, I'd say Okay, that's it's fair.

2259
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 1: That's and I don't and I don't love type player.

2260
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: It's fair, and I don't love that he didn't run

2261
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 1: the forty. I've told you that.

2262
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 3: He's but I think we can all agree that he's

2263
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 3: a four to six guy if he didn't.

2264
01:40:56,040 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 2: So let's let's play this game with Chris Brazil. Yeah, like,

2265
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 2: what are the warts there?

2266
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,600
Speaker 3: I would say that Chris Brasl's because.

2267
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 2: We could, I could easily throw back at you. Show

2268
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 2: me how that guy has popped.

2269
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: Chris Brasel's biggest warts are play strength, and I would

2270
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: say a little bit of inconsistency at the catch port.

2271
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: Who is the guy from that mold?

2272
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say specifically because it's a part of it.

2273
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 2: I know I'm limiting you Christian Watson in Green Bay

2274
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 2: that mold in that offense, because that offense helps.

2275
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,799
Speaker 1: There's only one guy that's in that mold, in that offense,

2276
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: and he's too good to use as a comparison. Who

2277
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: it's in the Hall of Fame. Tennessee has not run

2278
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: that offense long enough. The one guy that I see

2279
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Tennessee. Tennessee's offense yeah, I'm talking

2280
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: about the Patriots.

2281
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about the guy that gets to line

2282
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 2: up basically one foot on the sideline, so the corner

2283
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 2: like has to play him a certain way and has

2284
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 2: the benefits of playing in that Tennessee offense and has

2285
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:54,640
Speaker 2: panned out.

2286
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: But he's not a linear athlete. That's what makes me

2287
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: excited about Brazl is that he can sink his hips.

2288
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,560
Speaker 2: And he have the same answer. The guy with this

2289
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: profile usually doesn't work out. But this guy changes direction

2290
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 2: better than those guys have. We both have the same answer.

2291
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: Are different player guys sixty three, you're just betting on speed,

2292
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 1: on betting on in runs of store three and the

2293
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: other guy won't even run the forty But he.

2294
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,799
Speaker 2: Has much better play strength and is better at the catchpoint,

2295
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 2: but he's.

2296
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 1: Terrified to run in forty yards in a straight line,

2297
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: which at that position is seven inchverticle, right, I mean

2298
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: like his other stuff. The three cone was really good.

2299
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,799
Speaker 1: It was six six point eight five at ten.

2300
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 2: So do you want to bet on raws speed or

2301
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 2: rows strength?

2302
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: You know my answer to that? I know because I

2303
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: can I can hit. I can tell Chris Brazil when

2304
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: he gets here on April twenty fifth or whatever, the

2305
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: day after the first round, Hey, buddy, hit the weight room.

2306
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 2: Well he's gonna Bryton Shorts on April twenty five. You're

2307
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 2: gonna be all excited camp.

2308
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, you know rookie Minikav He's gonna run a

2309
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 1: nine round. I'm gonna be like the hell yeah, you know,

2310
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: and you know exactly who we will bring up. I

2311
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: know that's fair. You can hit the weight room. You

2312
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: can hit the weight room, you can't hit the speed.

2313
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 1: That's fair, That is fair. That would be the one

2314
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: thing with Brasel that he needs to work on. But

2315
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: the route releases obviously, the straight line speed in the

2316
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I would say, in particular, the long striding speed with

2317
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: him is like whoa right, Like when he gets to

2318
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: open up his strides down the field and pull away

2319
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: from guys is really really good. And I just I

2320
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: think the one thing with him that I can't get

2321
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: out of my head is that Georgia game, Like he

2322
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: just that is that Georgia game is like he went

2323
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: out there and mossed guys.

2324
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 2: I will say on the Denzel Boston's that he did

2325
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 2: not play well against the better opponents.

2326
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 3: And Georgia is as good as it gets in terms

2327
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:33,839
Speaker 3: of like level.

2328
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Of top because you really like Dalen Everett.

2329
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 3: I like he put Dyalen Everett in a in a

2330
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 3: hurt locker.

2331
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 2: Well, maybe he'll get another chance. I've been training game,

2332
01:43:40,680 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna up the question. I'm gonna up

2333
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 2: the anty of the question you I asked you before

2334
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,120
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel drags you down to the draft room.

2335
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: We need you to break the die. Yeah, the Chads Brassele.

2336
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Chad's loving that. Mike Rabel's doing.

2337
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 2: It's Brassel, he never would but it's Brassler Boston thirty one,

2338
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:53,560
Speaker 2: and we need you one more. Elliot Wolf drags you

2339
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 2: down there.

2340
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: All right.

2341
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:57,600
Speaker 2: We know we can get Brassle thirty one, but the

2342
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 2: who's the twenty four again? The Cleveland Browns. Yeah, want

2343
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 2: us to give them thirty one, ninety six and one

2344
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:09,040
Speaker 2: twenty five for twenty four and we're gonna take Jordan Tyson.

2345
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 2: We can do that, or we can stick at thirty

2346
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 2: one and take Chris Brasel.

2347
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: What are you telling them to do? Give me the

2348
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 1: trade again? There's a lot of math in my head

2349
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,680
Speaker 1: that you're asking me to do. Thirty one.

2350
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety six in one twenty five. Yeah, for twenty

2351
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 2: five to them, we will say the Bears, you gotta

2352
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:27,920
Speaker 2: jump the Bills.

2353
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm getting Jordan Tyson and you're.

2354
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 2: Getting Jordan Tyson. Jordan Tyson's on the board.

2355
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 1: Jordan Tyson's a much better player, so I'm probably I

2356
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: probably giving up those picks. I know, I really do

2357
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 1: like Brazil. If the Patriots see the way I look

2358
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 1: at Brasel though, just to make everybody feel comfortable with it, yeah,

2359
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 1: is like, is there is Brasel a trade down candidate?

2360
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 1: Like if they trade from Oh yeah, if they trade

2361
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: from like thirty one. But I keep saying the same

2362
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: thing because I just feel like it might happen. Ty

2363
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: Simpson is like sitting there at the end of the

2364
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 1: first around.

2365
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 2: To the Lamar Jackson trade right from right from.

2366
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 1: One of these quarterback teams, Arizona, Cleveland, whoever wants to

2367
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: come up and you know Jets, you know they want

2368
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: to come up from.

2369
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 2: Please help them, Please let the Jets give you the

2370
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:13,919
Speaker 2: top of the second round, first.

2371
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: Round to thirty one. You go from thirty one to

2372
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: let's say you go from thirty one to thirty eight.

2373
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about looking at the draft order. I

2374
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 1: don't know who's at thirty eight. I'm just using a

2375
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: number thirty one to thirty eight. Thirty eight is the Texans,

2376
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: so that's not doesn't make any sense. The Browns at

2377
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: thirty nine, Sure, Browns at thirty nine. Just for the

2378
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: argument's sake, right, most of these teams have quarterback. It's

2379
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: the Jets at thirty three, the Cardinals at thirty four.

2380
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: The Cardinals at thirty four is the one that makes

2381
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: the most sense, assuming assuming you know Vegas at thirty

2382
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're not, They're going to take me in

2383
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: those of So right, Jets are thirty three, Cardinals at

2384
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 1: thirty four, Chiefs at thirty nine, maybe Miami at forty three,

2385
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: Jets at forty four. Okay, so if I if I

2386
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: trade back here, yeah, and I get you guys that

2387
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,560
Speaker 1: are all worried about the Tennessee things, some picks and

2388
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: Chris Brazzle, I think we all feel we're all happy, right.

2389
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

2390
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:04,920
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, as long as they make a fair trade.

2391
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 1: All right, So that's the ross.

2392
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 2: But you didn't I don't think you have the question

2393
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 2: brassl at thirty one or Tyson with that trade up.

2394
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: I probably go Tyson. Okay. I think it's more of

2395
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:15,640
Speaker 1: a sure thing.

2396
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't hate because they have enough picks that they

2397
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 2: can move back up again.

2398
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 1: Like you take.

2399
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're you're losing one top one hundred, yeah,

2400
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 2: but now you package one thirty one a couple of

2401
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:29,560
Speaker 2: those six and that probably maybe not back into the

2402
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 2: top one hundred, but should get you back in the

2403
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 2: top one ten.

2404
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: So I would do it.

2405
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 3: I just uh, I you know that a guy that

2406
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 3: runs like that at that size.

2407
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 2: You know, we did know it when we did the

2408
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 2: CLNS show last year and we wrapped. We do the

2409
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 2: show after the draft, and the last thing I ask

2410
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 2: everybody is who's your guy for next year? I think

2411
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: my guys were Jordan, Tyson and cacc Yeah.

2412
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 3: Casec's fun. The drops worried me a little bit.

2413
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm not as worried. I'd like them to take them,

2414
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense at this point, not gonna play.

2415
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: So okay, speaking of these lines, here's one. You know,

2416
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we didn't get to a ton of the emails,

2417
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 1: and then we'll get these calls before the end of

2418
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 1: the show here. But so we've been talking a little

2419
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 1: bit mostly on on unfiltered about Kaishon Booty and like

2420
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 1: his ceiling as a player. So this is from harsh

2421
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: and Boston. He says Evan was ready to do taekwon

2422
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,719
Speaker 1: again year after year, but is so quick to diminish

2423
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 1: Kaishan Boody, who's actually made plays with Drake may Harsha

2424
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: disagrees with my take that Kaishon Booty has hit his ceiling.

2425
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:32,080
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?

2426
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 1: I hit his ceiling.

2427
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 2: I think he's probably close. I mean, I look, he's

2428
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 2: a good player, He's a good NFL player. He's not

2429
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 2: the like coverage dictating number one guy. They're still going

2430
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 2: to try to find that guy.

2431
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 1: So my take with Kaishan Boudi is that I've heard

2432
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: a lot of opinions that, like, he's actually a ze

2433
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: and she should play more on the So I just

2434
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: think that and I get I can see the fact

2435
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,640
Speaker 1: that at least one of these coaching staffs was not

2436
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 1: very good at your job. But when Bill O'Brien got

2437
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,720
Speaker 1: here in twenty three, they started developing him, developing him

2438
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: as an outside receiver. Then they handed him off to

2439
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelton. That staff and they continue to develop

2440
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:16,920
Speaker 1: him as an outside receiver. Then Mike Rabel and Josh

2441
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 1: McDaniels got here, and they continue to develop him as

2442
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 1: an outside receiver. Now the counter to that is is

2443
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: that they haven't had good outside recess.

2444
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 2: You said this last weekend. I thought of the counter

2445
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 2: after the show. Were they doing that because they thought

2446
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 2: he was better on the outside or because he was

2447
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 2: the best option they had because they didn't really have

2448
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 2: anybody who fair counter.

2449
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: I would just say that three different coaching regimes have

2450
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 1: said he's an outside receiver. When you look at inside receivers,

2451
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 1: you look at guys that are a little bit, you know, quicker,

2452
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 1: good routes. I'm not necessarily talking about the jittery he's not.

2453
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a full time either. I think

2454
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's a z. I just think that

2455
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 1: his best skill is his hands and winning the ball

2456
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,480
Speaker 1: at the catchpoint. And I don't know how that translates

2457
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 1: to first let little quick hitting targets in the middle

2458
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:05,559
Speaker 1: of the field, right, So I I just I'm talking

2459
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: about this offense, right and we got another question here.

2460
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:10,680
Speaker 2: But I think it's also when it's it's hard to

2461
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,879
Speaker 2: hit that high of a ceiling when you're a catchpoint

2462
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:14,799
Speaker 2: guy at five to eleven.

2463
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that that's sort of why I

2464
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: feel like his ceiling is pretty close to cap now,

2465
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 1: Like if he was six y three, it's another story.

2466
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 1: It's where it is. My question with him has always

2467
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 1: been this, where does the volume come from? For kashaon Booty?

2468
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't think he's volume player, right, Like, well, if.

2469
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 3: He's not a volume player, then he's hit his ceiling.

2470
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: I think he could do a little more than like

2471
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: he could be more consistent. How many role but how

2472
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 1: many one on one jump balls on the outside? Are

2473
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,640
Speaker 1: you going to throw one receiver right more? Now that

2474
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 1: we know what Drake may is, But how many did

2475
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: he throw him last year? Like you know that.

2476
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 3: I feel like that's about as many as he.

2477
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 1: Probably got, like a fifty to sixty target year guy. Yeah,

2478
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: so that he had forty six last year.

2479
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 3: He's not gonna he's not going to all of a

2480
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 3: sudden be a thousand yard receiver with sixty targets.

2481
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: That's just not gonna happen. Well, that's Alec Pierce. Well

2482
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: he was an eighty something but close enough. Yeah. This

2483
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: was from Christopher in Connecticut. He says, I hear everyone

2484
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 1: talking about Dobbs coming in and replacing digs, but dogs

2485
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: Dobbs only had a fourteen percent slot snap rate to

2486
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,600
Speaker 1: fifty one percent for digs. Yeah, so I think that

2487
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the conversation here is more about the type of formations

2488
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: that these two teams were playing than it is about

2489
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 1: inside versus outside. So with the Patriots, digs dig play

2490
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: a lot primarily in the slot, but that's because they

2491
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 1: primarily spread the field and they run a lot more

2492
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 1: spread formation or just like kind of conventional offense formation,

2493
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:39,760
Speaker 1: whereas Green Bay is running all these condensed formations. They

2494
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: actually logged over fifty percent of their snaps out of

2495
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: condensed formations last year. So with those condensed formations, Romeo

2496
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 1: Dobbs is like in tight to the formation inside the numbers,

2497
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: so he basically has a two way go.

2498
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 2: He's technically the outside receiver, but where he's individually lined

2499
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 2: up on the field, regardless that everybody else is a

2500
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 2: slot position.

2501
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 1: So I could probably do this on next Gen and

2502
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 1: it might be a fun exercise. Yeah, they have heat

2503
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 1: maps on next Gen of like where they concentrate heat

2504
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 1: on where the guys line up on the field. I

2505
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:17,040
Speaker 1: would venture to say that Romeo Dobbs's most concentrated part

2506
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 1: of his heat map is probably very, very similar to

2507
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs's, even though that that technically gets tracked as

2508
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: an out wide snap and Diggs's snap might get tracked

2509
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 1: as it's abou where everybody else is lining up. It's

2510
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 1: not about where he's lining up. Yeah, exactly, do that?

2511
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,760
Speaker 1: Did that for next week? Well, I'll see if I can.

2512
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: If I can make it work. Mark is in Connecticut.

2513
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 1: What's up?

2514
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 7: Mark?

2515
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I've been a

2516
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 6: little while. Hey, so just wanted to get a couple

2517
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 6: of takes from you guys real quick. I've been the

2518
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,560
Speaker 6: biggest AJA Brown fanatic for a long time now, and

2519
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 6: I'm actually maybe even thinking of pulling back on doing

2520
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 6: this straight because you're going to have to probably give

2521
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 6: up A one and Chris Brasel Evan. I love Chris Brasel.

2522
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 6: I think they is an AJ Brown of the future.

2523
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 6: So I'd rather have Chris Brazzle in because he's young,

2524
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 6: You're going to have him on the contract for a while.

2525
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 6: That's my way to go on that. But my other

2526
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,679
Speaker 6: question is is that we have four six round picks.

2527
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 6: We have eleven picks overall. We don't need to pick

2528
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 6: eleven players. So what can you get if you were

2529
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 6: to package four sixes or even three of them. Can

2530
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 6: you get like a you know, a three or a four?

2531
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 6: You know, so you can move up the draft and

2532
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 6: get a you know, another player, because we really badly

2533
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 6: need a tight end, which you guys know that I've

2534
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 6: been glamoring about for years now. Need a tight end,

2535
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 6: need a tackle, and we need an edge rusher. So

2536
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 6: I appreciate it, guys, and I'll listen to you guys

2537
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 6: off air and see what you say.

2538
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: Thanks. Mark. I think that those sixth round picks, that

2539
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 1: they have any value would be like throwing them as

2540
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: a breadcrumb at the end of a trade. So in

2541
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: theory on the draft chart, the four sixes get you

2542
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: to like the very end of the fourth round or

2543
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:57,800
Speaker 1: early fifth.

2544
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2545
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 2: No, it's it's what you said value is. And they

2546
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 2: have two fourths like the one. I keep going back

2547
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 2: to A one, A four, and a six Yeah, gets

2548
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 2: you up to like I think the early it gets

2549
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 2: up to the mid twenties, right the two the four

2550
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 2: in the six gets you into So that's going from

2551
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 2: sixty three that's going to get you up to about

2552
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 2: fifty and ninety five plus, and I'm using the top

2553
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 2: fourth and one of the six that's going to get

2554
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 2: you up into the seventies. That's how you use those picks.

2555
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 1: The coming up from sixty three, because with a two

2556
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: to four and a six, I could be talked into

2557
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:38,600
Speaker 1: that because.

2558
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 3: Maybe we can get the best of both worlds.

2559
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 1: For everybody, because everybody wants the right tackle right, and

2560
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: then you could probably draft like Blake Miller at thirty

2561
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: one and then maybe get back up to like close

2562
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 1: to the top fifty ish and then still get like

2563
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 1: an edge rusher or a wide receiver or something like

2564
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 1: that that could be the more immediate, your one impact

2565
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 1: kind of guy. So here's one for you're not getting

2566
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,599
Speaker 1: two first round picks, but you're kind of getting two

2567
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:04,759
Speaker 1: players that might contribute.

2568
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 2: Like in twenty twenty three, the Bears traded sixty one

2569
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 2: and one thirty six for fifty six. Yeah, so that

2570
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 2: that kind of area. The Chiefs traded sixty three, one

2571
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 2: twenty two, and two forty nine for fifty five and

2572
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 2: one ninety four, So that gets you up about ten spots.

2573
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 2: I like trading up from ninety five. I think the

2574
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 2: strength of the draft is like forty to seventy five. Yeah,

2575
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 2: so I like the idea of moving up from ninety five.

2576
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 1: That that's my sweet spot. I don't mind doing that

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01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,320
Speaker 1: because I think that you might again, you might be

2578
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 1: able to get the best of both worlds, where you

2579
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 1: get that you know, long term answer at a place

2580
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 1: like right tackle, but you also still draft a guy

2581
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: that can come in.

2582
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty three, the Panthers traded ninety three

2583
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 2: and one thirty two for eighty, moving up thirteen spots.

2584
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 1: And giving up one of those fourths. Yeah, I could

2585
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 1: see that out. I'd love to do something like that.

2586
01:54:57,400 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 3: All right, last call here, Henry is in DC. What's

2587
01:54:59,600 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 3: up Henry?

2588
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I love that

2589
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 10: breakdown of the receivers at thirty one, and I just

2590
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,080
Speaker 10: wanted to ask about the edge rusher of it all

2591
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 10: because my view of it is there's a pretty good

2592
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 10: track record not for the Pats, but in the NFL

2593
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 10: of a second round receivers working out pretty well. But

2594
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 10: I can only count a handful of Day two edge

2595
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 10: rushers who are very useful. So my question is kind

2596
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:29,400
Speaker 10: of like, who is the lowest ranked edge rusher that

2597
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 10: you'd probably take ahead of brasl or Casey C. R.

2598
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 10: Bosston at thirty one, because if you don't get that

2599
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 10: guy at thirty one, I don't see how you're getting

2600
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 10: an impact ed rusher in this draft.

2601
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand you're thinking Henry, so basically just quickly

2602
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: because we don't have a ton of time and we

2603
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 1: can do this more next week. Receiver, Well, which receiver

2604
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 1: who Er Brasil Mezidor Brasil, Brasil Parker, Brasel, Brasil Howel

2605
01:55:57,360 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 1: or Brasil Howel Younger Brasil Brasluh if he falls Keldrick

2606
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: Falker Brasel, Brasil. I don't like edge FULK and he

2607
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 1: doesn't want him either, stiff me Robot. I might go

2608
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: Mesador over the receiver. Maybe I could be talked to him,

2609
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:15,840
Speaker 1: but like that, that's the tier I was gonna bring up, right, Yeah,

2610
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 1: Mezzadora Parker, Howell young feels like the edge dresser tier. Yeah,

2611
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: maybe our Mason Thomas is in that group, but I

2612
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 1: don't think so. I know you don't like him, so

2613
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: I knew you'd take there a here, so I didn't

2614
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 1: ask or like there's a now this is more top

2615
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 1: fifty love. But there's a ton of love for Malachi

2616
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 1: Lawrence right now.

2617
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 2: I would move up from sixty two and get Malachi Lawrence.

2618
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,320
Speaker 2: He's a doc, dude can play, he can and he's

2619
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 2: there kind of like him in this system. Oh boy,

2620
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 2: And this is my other point to the caller.

2621
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 1: Sorry, real quick, now go ahead. I wouldn't worry about

2622
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 1: getting an impact player on.

2623
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 2: The edge in Day two and this draft, like this draft,

2624
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 2: this position, this class, even it maybe not at ninety six,

2625
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 2: but you move up from ninety six in the seventies,

2626
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 2: which is why I like that trade. You know you're

2627
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 2: not gonna get your pick, but like Sutton might still

2628
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,240
Speaker 2: be there, Acus might still be their height might still

2629
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 2: be there, like you're And when I say might one

2630
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 2: of them should be, it's just which one. Yeah, I'm

2631
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 2: not worried if they don't take the edge at the top.

2632
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 2: They need to come out with the top one hundred.

2633
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 2: I'll even say top seventy five picket edge. If they

2634
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 2: get an edge in the top seventy five, I feel

2635
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 2: good about it.

2636
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

2637
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:18,360
Speaker 1: And we could talk about more of this next week

2638
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: Because we're gonna do defense Rosser reset next week, I'm

2639
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 1: sure we'll spend a lot of time on the edge rushers.

2640
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:26,760
Speaker 1: When I thought I was turning on Malachi Lawrence's tape,

2641
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 1: I thought I was turning on a raw combine guy

2642
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: that was gonna have to be seasoned and coached. And

2643
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that already has a pretty good

2644
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:37,839
Speaker 1: feel for what he's doing. So the rub on Malachi

2645
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 1: Lawrence is, well, the level of competition has to Those

2646
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:43,600
Speaker 1: tackles were all, yeah, brutal. It's not just the teams,

2647
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 1: it's like the tackles in specific. Yeah, I mean it's

2648
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,880
Speaker 1: all bad. Like I watched him against Colorado and it

2649
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: was like this is just not even. So that's that's

2650
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: the one thing to keep. But I thought I was

2651
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna see like, oh yeah, like huge rascal ras rass

2652
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 1: whatever could score athlete.

2653
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 3: That is just kind of big dog and everybody.

2654
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: He can play. Now, he's got hands, he's got pass

2655
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 1: rush moves, he's got awesome.

2656
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good.

2657
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 2: Player coach for the football, playmaker.

2658
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about those guys next week when

2659
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,240
Speaker 1: we do the roster reset on defense. We'll keep you

2660
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: up to date on the news and notes and all

2661
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff as well. Recency biases back and

2662
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: we'll keep on doing that, so we'll keep chugging along

2663
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: here with about four or five weeks to go to

2664
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,560
Speaker 1: the draft, right, I think like five weeks.

2665
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2666
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: I'll be at BC on Monday for Boston Colleges Pro

2667
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 1: Day I have. I think we might be joined by

2668
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 1: some people here in this building, so that'll be cool.

2669
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 1: Go see those guys. That's why I brought up Jude

2670
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 1: Bower earlier. He'll be there at Boston College. And we'll

2671
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:46,000
Speaker 1: be back on Catch twenty two next Wednesday at noon.

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01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:49,760
Speaker 1: Patriots unfieldered back tomorrow at noon as well. We'll see

2673
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:50,840
Speaker 1: you guys then. Thanks for watching.

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01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:55,920
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