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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, and well, Matt, let's talk a little.

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Speaker 1: Fantasy football today, all right, kind of lean in that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Football Outsiders, I.

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Speaker 1: Think fantasy seasons officially started.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty much, yeah, we know what the rosters are

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Speaker 2: largely going to be now. There's not going to be

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Speaker 2: any big surprises in terms of skill position players. There

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Speaker 2: may be a trade, maybe Austin eclar gets moved or

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Speaker 2: something like that, but by and large we know who

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Speaker 2: the players are at this point. So Football Outsiders did

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Speaker 2: a little thing here, Most undervalued and most overvalued Fantasy

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Speaker 2: football draft players here. Let's start with the overvalued players first.

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Speaker 1: I assume this is going to be based off Bestball

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Speaker 1: because basketball right now is on fire. Yeah, the Best

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Speaker 1: Ball mania and all this stuff going on. So we're

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Speaker 1: getting ADPs, you know, which is yeah good. That's why

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Speaker 1: I said, I really do think it's this is the

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Speaker 1: beginning of fantasy season.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: This is written by.

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Speaker 1: Chris Bags Football Tiders. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so his most overvalued stud running back Saquon Barkley.

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Speaker 1: He worries me too.

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Speaker 2: His ADP is fourteen point three on Underdog Fantasy's twenty

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Speaker 2: seventh rated running back in the air player in the

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Speaker 2: quote unquote spags ranking. I guess he has his own

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Speaker 2: rankings with this. Okay, I'm gonna have in a heavy

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Speaker 2: workload last year.

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Speaker 1: Heavy workload injury history. But all backs do, I mean

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Speaker 1: hold I don't hold that against backs too much. It's

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Speaker 1: But they drafted Gray in the fifth round. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where it's gonna be tough. And he honestly

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Speaker 2: could have gone with a number of different backs on

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry Henry shares the heck out of me.

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Speaker 2: and I don't think they're going to be a very

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Speaker 2: talking about three guys, well two of them, Henry and Mixon.

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Speaker 2: We're basically first round, you know, early second round players.

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Speaker 2: Then I don't know if I want to touch this year.

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Speaker 1: I thought Mixing looked bad last year. Yeah, and his

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Speaker 1: I don't. I still not convinced Dalvin Cook's even going

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Speaker 1: Abou Kamaraw. I mean, there's still a really good chance

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Speaker 2: Example, the Saints trade for him, well, now kills both

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Speaker 2: Camar just kills them both. Most overvalued up and coming

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Speaker 2: running back Khalil Herbert ninety seven point four ADP. He

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Speaker 1: Like for all the Dynasty stuff I do, Herbert with

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Speaker 2: Most overvalued quarterback, and boy, he's got three of them

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Speaker 2: Any you know, long time listeners to our show. Now,

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Speaker 2: we did talk about this last year as in the

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Speaker 2: build up or lead up to fantasy football drafts, like

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Speaker 2: I would love to have any of those guys on

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Speaker 2: my team, of course, but probably not where I got

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Speaker 1: They were like eighteen nineteen twenty in that neighborhood. I

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Speaker 1: I mean that's steep. So I've taken a step back

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Speaker 1: in my fantasy life and thought, Matt, you don't always

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Speaker 1: have to be the eleventh or twelfth guy in your

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Speaker 1: You know, And like last year I took Trey Lance

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Speaker 1: do think this past year that those three quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: don't think I'll be the last one drafting a quarterback anymore,

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Speaker 2: Hurts, Yeah, I mean, yeah, you always hate to play

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Speaker 2: I get out scored by thirty at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Most overvalued wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything to do with DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: Like, is Marquise Brown worth more than Hopkins?

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Speaker 2: Most overvalued tight end Darren Waller. I could not agree more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because I've been again, it's fantasy season, so I've

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Speaker 1: been starting to listen to more fantasy podcasts. I might

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Speaker 1: actually try underdog this year, and you know, do some things.

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Speaker 1: And this has kind of blown me away, is how

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Speaker 1: it looks like the consensus tight end tiers are Kelsey

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Speaker 1: on that, you know, I mean, right, Andrews in his

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Speaker 1: Waller fighting for the third spot with Kittle Hockinson. People

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Speaker 2: I see I would have Hawkinson in tier two with Andrews,

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Speaker 2: He's He's gone to a completely different situation where in

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Speaker 2: Detroit you could double the heck out of him and

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Speaker 1: No, and even Addison show enough doesn't hurt him.

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Speaker 2: No, he's gonna get I think he gets one hundred

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Speaker 1: I would say double digital touchdowns. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: matter what you thought of Adam, Adam feeling, Adam feeling

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think believer, But I

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Speaker 2: Waller, you know, yeah, I think he's easily ahead of

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Speaker 2: Waller right, Like he's my tight three all day long.

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Speaker 2: over to their most over undervalue players and again. This

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Speaker 2: is written by Chris Bags on Football siders Most Undervalued

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you throw it out. There's a team we have

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Speaker 1: It could happen.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, Algaier if if Robinson is out of

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd probably rather have Jayalen Warren.

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Speaker 1: There's also quarter Oll Patterson and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, right most undervalued quarterback Anthony richardson his ADP right now,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I wonder what quarterback that is? You know that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't have it listed in here, do it that?

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Speaker 2: But one fifty point four you're talking twelfth round? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You'll have somebody else in your roster. He's gonna get

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Speaker 2: And you'll well, yeah, you'll have way more info on

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Speaker 2: You know the leader in the clubhouse to start. Is

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Speaker 1: Like in Dynasty, he's going way ahead of Bryce Young

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't for Dynasty quarterbacks because all I care about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but is Anthony richards I mean, there's a much

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Speaker 2: Most undervalued wide receiver Deonte George Pickens sixty sixty six

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Speaker 1: I think him and Deyontay are going very close.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna catch some touchdowns. Dickens is going to finish

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Speaker 2: And they're gonna be some weeks where you know, teams

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or one's better versus man, one's better verse own

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Speaker 1: I do too, and deontay to me, just the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: No, they'll double that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Robinson changes by perspective on those

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Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all. If you can get

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Speaker 2: if you can get Pickings at sixty six point seven,

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Speaker 2: what is that? Uh, that's right around round five. So

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Speaker 2: basically you're gonna get him as your wide receiver two

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Speaker 1: That seems about right for today, though, I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: In the league. If I get him as my wide

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty good at that. He's ever gonna leave

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's gonna be out there constantly, and he's

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Speaker 1: Yes, would you take both? I know I already know

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Speaker 1: this answer. I shouldn't even mention it. You'll take both

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Speaker 1: clear Cooper's Cooper's home road splitzer are troubling, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Mary Cooper at home is a stud. This

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Speaker 2: No, I don't love the Browns passing game, but Cooper's

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy, I think I think Sutton Judy is a conversation.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not big on Sutton. That's why I threw

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Speaker 2: But I think I mean, Deontay's gonna get one hundred

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just what he demands, those kind of

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Speaker 2: if he gets he gets back you know two years ago,

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Speaker 1: This year, then we would all take the over on that.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's definitely third. He's a clear third, but

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Speaker 1: he's definitely third. I mean, DeVante Smith's a star and

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Speaker 1: people don't look at him that way. And Brown's a

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Speaker 1: going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're gonna those guys demand their targets.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just the reality of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, which is fine. I mean he's still he

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Speaker 1: makes the most of them and it's a good offense.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of first downs and scores a

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Speaker 1: lot of touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it for his undervalue guys, anybody he would include.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're not looking at the list year in

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Speaker 2: terms of I bet you, I get almost guarantee you

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Speaker 2: that Lamar is under gonna be undervalued this year.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking that too. You know, like six thousand

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Speaker 1: yards is not gonna do that, that's bonkers.

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Speaker 2: But if Lamar throws for four thousand, right.

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Speaker 1: And even eighty percent of his normal rushing total, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good.

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Speaker 2: I mean even you even if you look at his

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Speaker 2: stats from last year and I'm pulling them up here,

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Speaker 2: if he throws for where was he at last year?

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Speaker 2: So his best season thus far, he's thrown for thirty

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Speaker 2: one hundred yards, okay, and I bet he have clips

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Speaker 2: is that that was his second year when he won

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Speaker 2: the MVP at thirty thirty one hundred yards, passing thirty

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Speaker 2: six touchdowns. And remember too, that was that was playing

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Speaker 2: fifteen games. So if he plays all, if he somehow

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Speaker 2: plays all seventeen, maybe four thousand is a bit much.

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Speaker 2: But thirty five hundred I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think that's crazy. I'd think they're gonna throw the

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Speaker 1: ball more and more efficiently, and his receivers are getting

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Speaker 1: more after the catch for him than he has. Things

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: The question with Lamar is does he run as much?

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Speaker 1: I don't think he will, but I think he'll still

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Speaker 1: be eighty percent of what he usually.

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Speaker 2: Does, which is so in twenty nineteen, that was twelve

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Speaker 2: hundred rushing yards. In twenty twenty and fifteen games, that

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Speaker 2: was one thousand rushing yards. Now, in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty two, he played twelve games. In each

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Speaker 2: of those seasons, it was seven sixty seven and seven

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Speaker 2: sixty four. Almost identical.

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Speaker 1: Wow, all right, let's let's play a little game. They

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Speaker 1: used to do this on Matthew Berry did the ESPN

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Show. They could do the name game. Lamar or

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Speaker 1: Burrow Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Trickly fantasy, of course, strictly fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Lamar or Fields.

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Speaker 2: I'll take Lamar.

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Speaker 1: I think I agree on both of those. I trust

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Speaker 1: Borrow to play more games too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's that's the thing. I'm factoring it like

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Speaker 2: he's going to play games and he's going to throw

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Speaker 2: touchdown passes, like they're going they're going to throw the football.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to run the ball effect

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Speaker 2: all that effectively this year.

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Speaker 1: Lamar or Lawrence, Lamar, Lamar Tua.

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Speaker 2: Lamar.

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of those is even close.

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Speaker 1: Lamar or Herbert. That one I could fight either way on.

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Speaker 2: I'd probably take Lamark. I mean again, assuming he's back

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Speaker 2: running the ball. If he runs for eight hundred yards

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Speaker 2: this year, Herbert's gonna run for three hundred. So is

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Speaker 2: Herbert's gonna make up five hundred yards passing in five

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Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns with his with his passing debatable? Debatable?

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Speaker 1: So I mean the other names I could even consider,

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Speaker 1: and I reached on two and a couple of them,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott. I mean, I think I'm taking

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Speaker 1: Lamar all day.

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Speaker 2: I'll take Lamar over those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's like six five something like that, right, But.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, given the injury history the last two seasons,

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Speaker 2: the team people are gonna are gonna be willing to

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Speaker 2: take him. There. He fell farther in last year's draft

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Speaker 2: than he probably deserved too. Absolutely, absolutely, I think in

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Speaker 2: our draft, I think he went in like the sixth round.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think you're right, because I was going.

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Speaker 2: To take him and he was he was sitting there

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'll take Lamar with the next pick,

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Speaker 2: and then he got taken three picks ahead of me, Like, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm out of that market.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it does like there's the back of the

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Speaker 1: earlier conversation whatever order you like, Mahomes Allen Hurts, they

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Speaker 1: seem like tier one.

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Speaker 2: Then I'd probably put Burrow behind that, and then probably Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and Burrow versus Lamar is a conversation too,

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Speaker 1: like that. To me, it's not a slam dunk, but

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Speaker 1: it's I would take Burrow. I just trust the injury

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Speaker 1: history more exactly exactly. Fields is a big producer and

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Speaker 1: he actually has some weapons.

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Speaker 2: Now, I would still put him in right behind Lamar,

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Speaker 2: behind those guys. How about the rushing is going to

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Speaker 2: be similar, but I trust Lamar as a passer more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think fields Is rushing will actually be better.

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Speaker 2: Well then, yeah, I mean I think it will similarly.

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Speaker 2: By similar, I mean Fields finishes with eleven or twelve

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Speaker 2: hundred rushing yards of La Mars eight or nine hundred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're both gonna be like top three runners.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about maybe three points a game

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Speaker 2: on the.

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Speaker 1: Ground, yeah, yeah, whereas Herbert's a conversation for me, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: then you're talking like quarterbacks seven.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Fields of the second half of last season

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Speaker 2: was a monster.

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Speaker 1: It was a monster. Right. So we had this conversation

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Speaker 1: before about the overrated quarterbacks. How I don't want to

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Speaker 1: pay mid second round value or mid second round pick

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Speaker 1: for those top three. But I don't think I want

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Speaker 1: to drift too far away from Herbert Fields at seven either.

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Speaker 2: No, I feel like that's pretty good. Yeah, if I

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Speaker 2: can get one of those guys in round five or six,

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about that.

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Speaker 1: Because like some of the lists I've seen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like quarterback nine ten is like Deshaun Watson, yeah, Richardson,

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Speaker 1: you know, like big question mark guys, Yeah, Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure right, Aaron Rodgers, you know, his way back

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Speaker 1: into that conversation, Like, I don't want I don't want

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Speaker 1: to deal with those guys. I just pulled up a

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Speaker 1: ranking as Gino Smith as their quarterback twelve. Yuck, yuck,

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Speaker 1: Dak thirteen and Geno twelve. Like, I'll take Dak over him,

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Speaker 1: but I'd rather take Daniel Jones at fifteen or somebody

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Speaker 1: that runs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't probably think of Daniel Jones. No,

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Speaker 2: some of those other guys.

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Speaker 1: You get some pass catchers now, yeah, interesting, No, But

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Speaker 1: I like Lamar's value if you can get him fifth round.

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