WEBVTT - Who Are The Thunderbolts*? 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.480 Warning. 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:06.440 Today's episode contains spoilers for Thunderbolts number one from nineteen 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:09.240 ninety seven. It's a thirty year. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.080 Old comic and if you listen to our book Club, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.800 it's already been spoiled for you. But you're already If 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:16.760 you haven't, go listen to that and then come back 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:17.400 and listen to this. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.080 Hello, and it is Jason Gncepcion and our Brisday Night 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:39.640 and welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.960 we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.080 pop culture. Coming to you from I Art Podcast, where 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.839 we're bringing you three huge episodes a week every Tuesday, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:49.120 Wednesday and Thursday plus Goose. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.320 In today's episode, it's all about those bad boys known 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.120 as the Thunderbolts. We're going to be talking about who's 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.600 who of the Thunderbolts, who's in the Thunderbolts, who's in 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:04.080 the MC version, and where were the comic book counterparts 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:09.759 first introduced in the wild world of the twisty team 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.560 known as the Thunderbolts. And then Jason has a banging 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.480 omnibus about the state of Marvel in nineteen ninety seven 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.319 and how the original Busiak and Bagley comic book was 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.399 received at the time, but. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:28.040 First year Locke, Okay, let's let's chop it up. Thunderbolts 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.360 number one. This was such a time capsule as wild. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:35.959 I remember reading this. I remember not planning to read it, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.760 but then the buzz, the buzz, the tolk of the tests, like, okay, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.800 I'll read it. I had been you know, this was 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:48.560 the nineties, had introduced a lot of new characters, and 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.680 some of them I'll talk more about the nineties in 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.040 the omnibus. Some of them hit, some of them did not. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.800 Some of them came in with like, you know, like Speedball, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.800 and others came in with like Major Maine your promo, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.000 and I think by this time, like a lot of 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.080 comic bands of the era. My my sense was like 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.040 more new guys, Like who are these new guys? I know, 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.600 I'm not sure, but turned out to be one of 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:20.200 the most influential and you know, truly surprising issues of 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:25.000 all time. Let's do a quick off the dome recap 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.919 of Thunderbolts number one. So I love the six one 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.480 six is in tatters. The Avengers are off the board, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:34.400 They're fantastic four. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.359 They are dead. 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:36.160 They are dead. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:41.000 They're Fantastic Four Dead Air quotes. You know, the mansion 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.720 is in fucking ruins, Fantastic four going on. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.240 Bad stuff going on the you know, the X. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.440 Men are there, but they've got their own problems going on, 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.480 and they've never been like the people to uh, you know, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:54.600 take on the mantle. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:01.000 And New York itself is like a wreckage. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.760 It's going back to the little wreckage. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.440 It's going very very badly. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.840 The Statue of Statue of Liberties fucked up, like the 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.400 entire cities like in fucking ruins. Next thing, you know, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:19.480 various villain groups start going well, Avengers not here, Fantastic 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:20.000 Before not here. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.000 Guess what We're gonna. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.200 Go crazy like the rat Pack. The rat Pack begin 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.280 looting New York City. The rat Pack are like if 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.120 Seal Team six decided, you know, fuck this, let's do 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:40.240 bank heists probably, you know. And so they're out there 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.920 just you know, robbing and stealing and going into vaults 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.560 and just taking stuff hand over fist. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:47.400 Who can stop them? 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.520 Nobody because the Tiroes are gone and the cops are overmatched. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:52.080 But then. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.680 A group of colorful heroes shows up and they are 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.560 and they strike like light, and they call themselves, the Thunderbolts, 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.600 and they deal with the rat Pack in a very crew. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.560 As well, and the Record Crew and. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.920 They deal with a bunch of these and resurgery. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.680 You see them helping to fix the Statue of Liberty. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.280 So they gotta be good guys. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.719 They got they don't have a lot of money there. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.599 They're headquarters is like above a pizzeria. Yeah. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.880 And then also I like the way that one of 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.640 my favorite things is like then like Black Widow, the 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.000 New Warriors, Spider Man, they're all like, yeah, the Thunderbolts 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:36.200 they're doing They just like putting like a tiny bit 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.680 of effort here, guys, Like I know things are bad, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.840 but you guys are still around, Like Spider Man, you 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.440 always New York's number one hero, Like why are you 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.240 just giving these guys your thumbs up? Yes, So it 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.080 was a very interesting situation because they were, as you said, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:55.080 all new heroes with when you look back on it, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.480 like very bad costume design. So really I think if 0:04:58.480 --> 0:04:59.160 there was I mean. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.719 Very ninety very nineties costume design, but they don't feel 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.400 they don't have that feeling like oh that's gonna hit 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.520 you know, Like sometimes you see like a new costume design, 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.040 and you think, like, wow, that's incredible. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.520 So it probably should have hinted to us as readers 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.640 that maybe they weren't gonna be heroes for the longest time. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.599 But all the promo, which you'll get into more leading 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.320 up to it, like didn't let us see them. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.160 It was all it was all in shadows. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.039 So this was the first one, the Thunderbolts, and it 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.440 looks like we got a new team. Are you interested 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.039 in them as a reader? I don't know. Maybe maybe 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.200 not until the final. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.120 Page, final pitch. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.359 Now it's all the setup is amazing, Like here's Spider 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.320 Man after the Thunderbolts take out the recond Crew. Quote, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.599 Believe me, the Wrecking Crew are no pushovers, and I've 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.560 got reason to know after the way the Thunderbolts handle them, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.240 they're okay in my book, same to your point. The 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.640 New Warriors, including Speedball, were. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.200 Like, yeah, Thunderbolts are so great. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.400 And then we go to the Thunderbolts. They're in there 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.960 Ramshackle headquarters above the Pizzer reel. Watching all of this 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.880 on TV, watching Spider Man and the New Warriors sing 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.039 their praises, watching you know, Natasha, the Black Widows say. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.480 I think it's great that they're here. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:24.400 And their leader, the Thunderbolts leader Citizen five, walks in. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:29.840 He takes off his Citizen five helmet and we see 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.800 that his head is like singed. He looks like like 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:35.560 Darth Vader without his mask. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.359 It's all like scarred, and he has no hair, and 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:39.480 he's like a mess. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.360 Some of the Thunderbolts are surprised by this. Not at 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.520 pretty sight, is it, he says about his face to 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.400 his team. You would prefer it remain hidden behind a 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.919 mask very well then, but not the mask millions have 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:56.400 come to trust today instead, where a rather older mask, a. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.839 Mask with dark arrows associations, the mask of helmet ogociations 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.640 thirteen Barentzemo and the leader of the Masters of Evil. Yes, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:10.520 and then he reveals the true identities of his team 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:17.160 to be the Fixer, the Beatle, Screaming Mimi, Goliath, and Moonstone. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:22.240 Yes, so it's Meteorite, is Moonstone screaming Meme? Songbird is 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.400 really screaming Mime. And that's the most important character of 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.440 any of these, because that's the most likely who's probably 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.480 going to show up in the MCU soon. Yeah, Mac 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:35.360 six was Beatle Atlas was Goliath, Techno was Fixer, and yeah, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.920 Baron Zimo. It was a huge shocking twist, and that 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:45.400 a successful launch because it actually the original Thunderbolts, the 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.840 Busiac and Bagley version. It ram for like seventy six issues, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.040 which is basically unheard of nowadays. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.040 It quite unheard of. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.400 Yeah, this would go, this would go thirty and then 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.480 they'd be done or twenty five. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.920 Yeah, so it was seventy six issues. And then we 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.400 get to the different iterations of the Thunderbolts, none of 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.320 which have kind of ever been that successful or take 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.320 a while for them to get back into their to 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.600 their way. So we have the John R. Coody, Francisco 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:19.000 ruse velasco which I actually think is an underrated concept, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.280 which was after Thunderbolts seventy six they took over, which 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.559 was essentially and Jason, I don't know if you remember 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.600 these covers, I'm sure you do. They made each of 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:34.240 the covers look like men's magazines like Maxim, really weird, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:39.240 silly but good, beautiful art, and essentially the interior of 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.040 the books was very different. It was basically a slice 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.800 of life story like what would it be like to 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.440 be a street level bad guy in a world where 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.679 superheros had ruined your life and honestly quite ahead of 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.040 its time concept. And this team was Armadillo, Daniel Axiom 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:03.760 and the man Killer, and it was like not well received. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.480 I think it was a little bit too different, a 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.360 little bit too weird, a little bit too cartoony, and 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.280 then it only ran for six issues. Then they rebooted 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:17.400 Thunderbolts to the New Thunderbolts Issue one, which was would 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.079 run for eighteen issues, and that had that This is 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.040 interesting to see the casting because you really start to 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.400 realize that what they're taking from now is either the 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.640 first concept of the Thunderbolts or teams that were built 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.600 in later. Because there was an eighteen issue run after 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:41.199 New Thunderbolts, which was Blizzard Atlas, Songbird back again, Max 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.280 Mac four this time, and that was like RAM for 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.000 eighteen issues, so did a little bit better. But then 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.959 when they came back with Thunderbolts and they were like, 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.360 it's Thunderbolts Issue one hundred. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:55.720 We made it, guys like. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.160 Good for us, which they always do when they basically 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:03.720 just ren the schemes. Then they at the time obviously 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.240 now disgraced writer, but at the time huge writer Warren Ellis, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:14.960 and he basically introduced what started to look a little 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.640 bit more like the Thunderbolts that we would know going 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:25.280 on in the comics, which was Bullseye, Songbird, Moonstone, Radioactive Man, Venom, Swordsman, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.360 and Pennance. But the trick was that those characters were 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.520 also hiding, so Matt Gargan was actually Venom, chen Lu 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:39.560 was Radioactive Man, and interestingly that was where Norman Osborne 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.560 first got involved. During the Dark Reign event, we got 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:48.319 the next Thunderbolts, which was like a two issue arc, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.280 but importantly did introduce Yelena Belova as one of the Thunderbolts. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.199 Also basically she was taking on the Black Widow Mantle. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.320 Then we had Erico Gradier's a Man and we had 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.400 a version of God. So that's the first time we're 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.720 hitting two of the MCU Thunderbolts. But it was really 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:12.520 Dark Avengers that took Thunderbolts back into the mainstream, back 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.200 into the conversation in a way that they hadn't been 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.520 for a long time, which was you had Century, who 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:23.000 as we know, will be in the MCU Thunderbolts as Bob. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.000 You also had Aries and then you had Novar as 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:32.640 Captain Marvel, but the disguised super villain's portion was still there, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.800 so you had Moonstone who was pretending to be Miss Marvel, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.959 Matt Gargan, he was Venom actually portraying Spider Man, so 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:46.080 it was a double betrayal there. And then you had 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:51.200 Bullseye portraying Hawkai and finally one of my favorite characters 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:57.160 all time, Wolverine Sundacon playing Wolverine and it was a 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.880 team put together by Norman Osborne who took on the 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.800 identity of the Iron Patriot. Since then, we've had other 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.160 versions of The Thunderbolts, which is where the idea of 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.760 Bucky being and the Thunderbolts came in, and to tie 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.880 in with the movie, there is currently the new Thunderbolt 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:19.280 which features Bucky Barnes. Black Widow has X twenty three, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:25.520 It has a carnage, It has the Hulk, but a 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.880 younger Hulk. It has it has no more, it has 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.080 Clear and Wolverine and it looks very fun. Sam Humphrey's 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:34.600 Tunney my art. So they're trying to tie them back together, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.800 but that's kind of a comic book who's who of 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.800 who was in this team, and as you'll see, it's 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.839 still the MCU is taking I think a lot of 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.040 Liberty's and just building like a team based on this 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.280 and what they want to do with it. So I 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.800 guess we should kind of just talk about who is 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:02.440 in the MCU Thunderbolts quickly. Sure remind everyone we'll. 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:18.760 Be right back after a quick break, and we're back. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.880 So let's do a quick run through of the bios 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.360 of the Thunderbolt's number one roster. Okay, so here's the 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.840 roster for the ThunderWolves and Thunderbolts. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:28.280 Number one. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.160 You have Baron Zimo, who is pretending to be the 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.120 leader of the team. Citizen five tell us about comics 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.600 Baron Zimo, the thirteenth Baron Zemo. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.000 Well, we have often talked about Baron Zimo because it 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.200 was quite controversial how beloved he became in the MCU, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.760 seeing as in the comics he was any you know, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:56.880 but he was inspired, like so many villains, after the 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.120 death of his father and then the ret of Captain America. 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:05.400 Those two things kind of inspired him to become a 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.839 true villain. He first appeared under a different name as 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:13.360 Phoenix in the Captain America issue one, hundred and sixty 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:18.080 eight in nineteen seventy three, and he was a legitimately 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:25.240 fantastic Captain America antagonist. He's one of the longest running 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.040 ones that we still know he also, if you want 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.360 to know about his messed up face and why it 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.360 was like that, he has one of the most in 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:38.080 hindsight hilarious but also horrifying origins, which is when he 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.680 was fighting with Captain America after he captured him, he 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.880 fell into a vat of what his father invented, a 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:51.840 chemical named adhesive X, which was essentially like a super 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.280 glue that his dad made super glue. He spilt it 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.720 on his face and permanently attached his hood to his face, 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.840 which I also just think is like so so funny 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.520 and yet obviously alas his head was stuck in that 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:09.920 Master for. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:10.520 A long time. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:15.200 That has changed and over the years, and he has 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.440 been allied with Armond Zola, which is more kind of 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.720 how we know him in the comics. Yeah, And I 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.360 would say, like the Thunderbolt aspect of his career is 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.080 really big, because that was this kind of new incarnation 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.160 of the Masters of Evil that he had always throughout 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.080 his career wanted to do. And yeah, he's he's just 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:35.720 had a rough time of it. You know, he's a 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.320 bad guy. He's he's he's gone up against a lot 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.640 of people. He has also done some wild stuff, like 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.880 he leaked the Thunderbolt's true identities and forced them to 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.080 flee with him. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.200 Into deep space, like he did not. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.120 One of the fun twists of the Thunderbolt series that 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.200 original seventies six run is and I'll talk about more 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:00.360 this worthy of us. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.520 The Thunderbolts started. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.160 To kind of like being good guys. They start to 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.000 like it, and the funnest thing, it's part of the 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.040 fun of the series. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.080 They're like, wait a second, this is good. And Zemo 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.800 did not like that. He's not a fan of that. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.080 So he leaked their identities in order to keep his 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.560 control over there, which is such a dick move. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.360 It's such a dick move. And also I have to 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.840 say something that's very interesting is like Zmo is involved 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:32.400 in a lot of the Thunderbolts comic kind of adventures. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.000 He attempted to take over the world again in a 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.440 short that I didn't mention Avengers versus Thunderbolts. He also 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.840 was involved in creating the new Thunderbolts kind of trying 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:47.440 to manipulate from behind the scenes, and I'm interested to 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.080 see the MCU's answer for why he is not in 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:58.160 this version of the Thunderbolts, because he is one of 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.320 the most beloved MCU villains. The version of Baronzemo that 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.159 we've got out of Falcon and the Winter Soldier that 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.800 was one of people's favorite parts. He has been reimagined 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.399 there without the Nazi origins in the comics, he has 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.440 also kind of grown out of those and he has 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:19.640 akin to the MCU. He has sometimes allied with heroes, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.520 whether it's Captain America or Iron Man, but he usually 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.639 has a scheme in his back pocket. So I just 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.440 think it's very wild that he is not in the Roster. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.440 But who knows, maybe that's going to be a surprise, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.280 or maybe, as some of us suspect, this will lead 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.760 to more of a Dark Avengers, hence the old asterisk 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:40.720 at the end of the name. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.440 Okay, the rest of the Roster Techno is actually Fixer, yes, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:52.600 who is like a technological kind of engineering type, genius 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:57.280 level creator of weaponry. You have the Beatle, who's the 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.280 Beatle the Beatle. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.520 We really get deep here, They were having a lot 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.640 of fun with this one, because the thing is one 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.520 of the best things is you can when you're doing 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:12.600 a reimagining like this, they're obviously like, hey, please don't 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.320 ruin any of the characters that we really love. So 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.080 the beetle mantle has been used by multiple individuals, though 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.000 it is he's best known as Abner Jenkins. That was 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.440 also the version that is in The Thunderbolt, and he 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:32.640 essentially has like an amtman costume that he created because 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.280 he's he's another he's a master mechanic. So I think 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.600 it's kind of interesting that in putting this team together 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:45.840 they went for people who actually had good technical skills 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.680 to create supersuits to put that kind of thing in 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.840 the place. And also I think it's funny because it 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.000 makes sense as Mac six looked kind of like a 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.040 robot that was people's thought, but it was actually the 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:02.760 beers a guy. 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.639 It was just a guy, isn't it always just the 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.840 guy next to the songbird is actually screaming mem man. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.000 I love this so much because this is one of 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:17.560 the coolest kind of This is one of the ones 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.600 that I think has has run the longest. Screaming mem 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.840 a nice nod to a classic noir movie from nineteen 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.640 fifty eight. One of my faves. This is a very 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:35.639 interesting character because she first appeared in Like the This 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.840 nineteen seventy nine Marvel two and one by Mark Grunenworld 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.040 who we know they take so much from from the MCU, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.960 Ralph Matchio and John Byrne. She was a super villain, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:50.920 supervillain supervillain, but when she came into the Thunderbolts that 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.200 started to change. She's a runaway. She's kind of got 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.240 Like I would say, if you like DC and you 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.240 know Black Canary, there's a lot of similarity in those powers. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:08.040 She has sonic screams, she can create solid sound constructs, 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:17.000 and she would essentially later become a part of Shield 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.920 as Songbirds. She was in the Civil War event, and 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:25.119 she has kind of died and come back and died 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.760 and come back. She's had some scary stuff where men 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.960 have become obsessed with her and kind of like fixed 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.000 her up after near death so that she can be 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:37.600 there singing slave. But she is a very interesting character 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:44.760 who played a key part in Secret Invasion and interestingly 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.240 during the Dark Reign event, which, as we mentioned, was 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.000 one of the big Thunderbolts kind of returns. She also 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:58.320 kind of created her own resistance to Norman Osborne after 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.440 he tried to get Thunderbolts to get So I'm very 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.720 interested in seeing where this goes a lot of casting 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.159 every time it comes up, people like, is this finally 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.200 going to be Songbird? 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:10.080 Is it? 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:15.080 Because she's a really interesting, complex female character and it 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.080 would be very cool to see her powers put to 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.800 screen with like a massive, massive budget, because we have 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:27.720 seen in the Marvel Animated Universe there have been versions 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.920 of her, the Melissa Gold version where we kind of 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:35.680 see her as an antagonist first in Avengers Assemble, but 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:37.400 we have yet to see her be brought to life 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.200 on the big screen, and I think that is the 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.399 bit out of the Thunderbolts. Aside from Baronsimo, she's your 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.359 biggest name character who is probably going to be in 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.160 the MCU relatively soon. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:55.119 Next up Goliath, Oh who is Atlas. Goliath is a 0:21:55.359 --> 0:22:00.159 longtime Zemo family ally, having worked as a mercenary for 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:05.679 Citizen five Baron Helmet Zmo the thirteenth Baron Zuma's dad 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:11.080 Heinrich Zimo in South Africa, So a long time ally 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:17.800 of the Zmo family, and then finally Moonstone, the doctor 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:23.080 of Doctor Carla, who is my great character wonderful. I 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.840 love Moonstone, like legitimately thinks she's such a fun no. 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:27.359 She is. 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.880 It's such such a fun character she has. 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.880 Like she began as kind of like an evil doctor 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:39.840 who basically just manipulated her patients and tested their kind 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:45.240 of fear and their paranoia. But in classic Marvel fashion, 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.200 in classic comic book fashion, that was not enough. So 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.520 an Incredible Hulk two hundred and twenty eight, she had 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.480 to season alien Artifact and that would give her cosmic 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.879 powers and create the supervillain known as Moonstone. Yeah, I 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.720 love this character. She's legitimately fantastic. She's part of the 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:09.959 great cosmic kind of tradition of Marvel. She was one 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:14.200 of the thunderbolts who really did start to enjoy being good. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:18.320 But she is also someone who she struggles to keep 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:22.480 her villainous side under wraps, and oftentimes she and Screaming 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.840 Mimia kind of teamed up to keep an eye on 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.840 each other, though though Moonstone struggles a little bit more 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:31.600 to Moonstone likes to be girl. 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.320 Moonstone is one of those thunderbolts. 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.919 She likes the accolades that come with being a good guy, 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.639 not necessarily being a good guy, for she. 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:42.000 Enjoys being celebrated. Who amongst us does not. But yeah, 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:43.600 I love her. She's great. 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:45.240 So let's talk about the MCU team. 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:50.119 Here's what we know Winter Soldierspassion Sin probably the leader 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.480 or co leader of the team, along with. 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:59.879 Yelena the Queen we love you. Yeah. Next we have 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:04.040 of He of the Wandering Eye, David Harder. 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:11.920 Of the team Yeah, the strongest question mark, strongest member 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.680 of the team. Then we have Wyatt Russell, he of 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:21.600 the off brand super Soldier, sal Us Agent, the disgraced 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:26.439 former Captain America. We have Ghost, last seen in Man. 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.000 I'm so glad she's back. A great representation. 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.960 So glad she's back in a really cool power set 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.760 that you know. I guess Vision has a similar thing, 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:38.680 although you don't really see him use it in this way, 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:41.440 kind of like a precursor to Katy. 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.240