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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday, everybody. Welcome to a brand new NBA season.
Speaker 2: So much has changed. We have Kevin Durant wearing Houston
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Speaker 2: not playing on Opening night, not just for the Lakers,
Speaker 2: but in general. This is a guy who's been playing
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Speaker 2: story for another day. I'm very, very excited to break
Speaker 2: this all down. That Houston Oklahoma City game was incredibly interesting.
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Speaker 2: then you slide over and there's kind of a goofy,
Speaker 2: like cartoonish looking dragon. That was the Los Angeles Lakers tonight,
Speaker 2: as we saw three what appeared to be elite basketball
Speaker 2: teams in one that stuck out like a sore thumb.
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Speaker 2: the season. All right, let's talk some basketball. What a
Speaker 2: dominant debut from the Golden State Warriors. I thought they
Speaker 2: thoroughly outclassed the Lakers in basically every facet of the
Speaker 2: game other than the fact that the Lakers have Luka Doncic,
Speaker 2: and that Luka Doncic is amazing. We'll get to Luca later.
Speaker 2: I rooted for that guy last year and there wasn't
Speaker 2: a single moment where he looked like that. And that's
Speaker 2: one singular piece of upside that may or may not
Speaker 2: amount to something optimistic for the Lakers to take away
Speaker 2: fro him tonight. But if you replace him with a
Speaker 2: regular star ball handler, like let's say you just had
Speaker 2: injured Anthony Davis and that was forty one year old,
Speaker 2: forty year old Lebron that was out there, the Warriors
Speaker 2: win that game by thirty. The Warriors played the Lakers
Speaker 2: in every single facet of the game. I thought their
Speaker 2: intensity from the opening tip in terms of their ball
Speaker 2: pressure and physicality was better to start the game. I
Speaker 2: thought their backside rotations off of their double teams, and
Speaker 2: just in general, how scrappy they were in the middle
Speaker 2: of the floor, especially underneath the basket, was way better
Speaker 2: than what we were seeing from the Lakers on the
Speaker 2: other end of the floor. They were forcing turnovers on
Speaker 2: deep post catches from Deandrayten, swarming Van do on his drives,
Speaker 2: forcing a ton of turnovers, getting out and transition off
Speaker 2: of them. I thought, in general, they were as a
Speaker 2: team much sharper in transition. I thought they ran the
Speaker 2: floor harder off of missus and off of makes, constantly
Speaker 2: catching the Lakers jogging, but also on the other end
Speaker 2: of the floor getting back and preventing those same opportunities
Speaker 2: for the Lakers on the other end of the floor.
Speaker 2: I thought they shot the ball better than the Lakers.
Speaker 2: I thought they rebounded the ball better than the Lakers.
Speaker 2: I know it was just one game, and I know
Speaker 2: Lebron didn't play, but I just thought the Warriors looked
Speaker 2: like a much better basketball team than the Lakers did. Tonight.
Speaker 2: We're going to dig into some of the specifics that
Speaker 2: having to do with that matchup as well. I think
Speaker 2: that plays a role, but I want to start with
Speaker 2: some of the specifics that we saw from Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Kaminga, because those two guys, in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways in a debut demonstrated some of the specific
Speaker 2: things that the Warriors need to go their direction in
Speaker 2: order for them to compete for a championship this year.
Speaker 2: So let's start with this idea of the debate that
Speaker 2: we've been having all summer long about what kind of
Speaker 2: player the Warriors should be going after to make some
Speaker 2: sort of all in trade this year, whether that involves
Speaker 2: Kminga or it does it In those conversations we discussed
Speaker 2: should it be like an athletic wing who's more of
Speaker 2: like kind of what Andrew Wiggins was for the team
Speaker 2: in the past, or should they look for a scoring
Speaker 2: guard or just in general, a scoring archetype kind of
Speaker 2: like what Jordan Poole was for the Warriors when they
Speaker 2: won the title. And a huge factor in determining which
Speaker 2: direction they should go on that front if they do
Speaker 2: look to make a trade this year at some point
Speaker 2: is how does Jimmy Butler look as a score Because
Speaker 2: there was a lot of basketball after the trade, even
Speaker 2: though the Warriors were winning, where Jimmy wasn't necessarily bringing
Speaker 2: a bunch of scoring pop. But then last three games
Speaker 2: of the season tons of scoring pop. Playing game, tons
Speaker 2: of scoring pop. First game against Houston before the tailbone injury,
Speaker 2: tons of scoring pop. We had this like five game
Speaker 2: sample where were like, oh shit, playoff Jimmy. This is
Speaker 2: the guy that is gonna help push this team over
Speaker 2: the top end of championship contention, right, But it was
Speaker 2: a small sample coming back from the tailbone injury. He
Speaker 2: wasn't able to secure a win against Minnesota without Steph,
Speaker 2: and so there were some question marks surrounding that. And
Speaker 2: I thought that was an electric debut from Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: as just that secondary offense force off of Steph Kirk. Consistently,
Speaker 2: he was finding matchups that he liked off of some
Speaker 2: of the switching that the Lakers were doing. Really liked
Speaker 2: Gabe Vincent, really liked Jake Lareva. If Jake Lavia, you
Speaker 2: could tell that Jimmy in particular just had some comfortable
Speaker 2: uh just some comfortability isoating Gabe just simply just getting
Speaker 2: over his left shoulder for little bank shots and drawing
Speaker 2: fouls with quick, aggressive moves. The big thing with Jimmy
Speaker 2: is he brings a dynamic to the Warriors that they
Speaker 2: haven't had in years past, and that is the ability
Speaker 2: to grift your way to the foul line. I've been
Speaker 2: talking about this forever. It's a skill. It's something that
Speaker 2: it comes with a kind of a polarizing discussion surrounding
Speaker 2: the role of free throws, kind of like interfering with
Speaker 2: basketball games. But the truth of the matter is these
Speaker 2: guys are all over the league. They're skilled at getting
Speaker 2: to the foul line. I root for a couple of
Speaker 2: them on the Lakers. Austin Reeves and Luka Doncic are
Speaker 2: both great at it. You know, Jake Gilges Alexander's great
Speaker 2: at it, Jalen Brunson is great at it. And one
Speaker 2: of the guys that was great at it is Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's this idea that free throws are
Speaker 2: just like handed down by the NBA as like some
Speaker 2: sort of gift to your team. That's not how it works.
Speaker 2: The way that it works is you either earn trips
Speaker 2: to the foul line and one end of the floor,
Speaker 2: and then on the other end of the floor, you
Speaker 2: either keep a team off the foul line or you
Speaker 2: send them to the foul line. And that's what determines
Speaker 2: your free throw disparoity. Nothing else. Basketball games. Basketball in
Speaker 2: the way it's being played on both ends of the
Speaker 2: floor is what leads to the free throw totals that
Speaker 2: you see. And bringing Jimmy Butler in has given the
Speaker 2: Warriors a dynamic that they haven't had in the past,
Speaker 2: which is the ability to slow the game down by
Speaker 2: working his way to the foul line, which comes with
Speaker 2: all sorts of additional benefits in addition to just points
Speaker 2: a huge part of how you get a thirty ball
Speaker 2: out of Jimmy. It also allows you to set your defense.
Speaker 2: It allows you to get more game plan notes. In
Speaker 2: possession to possession, you have a chance to talk and
Speaker 2: to think about how you're gonna guard on the next possession.
Speaker 2: They're all of these trickle down benefits. It can disrupt
Speaker 2: the rhythm of your opponent. They're not getting up and
Speaker 2: down the floor. They're now stopping and going down to
Speaker 2: the block to get ready to rebound. Jimmy Butler is
Speaker 2: just really good at using pump fakes. We're driving angles. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the histrionics around the basket that all the foul drifters
Speaker 2: around the league use, and what do you have like
Speaker 2: sixteen free throw attempts tonight. That was a huge part
Speaker 2: of his ability to manufacture points for the Warriors tonight.
Speaker 2: So then we're gonna have our eye on with the
Speaker 2: Warriors all season long. Is Jimmy's ability to score the basketball,
Speaker 2: and he just did that to a great extent tonight.
Speaker 2: Is super optimistic debut for Jimmy on that front. Jonathan
Speaker 2: kaminga the biggest debate surrounding the Warrior Warriors over the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, and one of the things that
Speaker 2: I've talked about is the reason why things haven't panned
Speaker 2: out for Jonathan in years past. It comes down to
Speaker 2: two things. One, he struggles sometimes and read and react basketball,
Speaker 2: which is a pivotal part of playing for the Golden
Speaker 2: State Warriors. You have to make quick decisions with the
Speaker 2: basketball off of the advantages that Steph Curry creates, right.
Speaker 2: And then secondly, he has struggled to consistently knock down,
Speaker 2: catch and shoot jump shots. And we saw a little
Speaker 2: bit that of that up and down nature in the
Speaker 2: first half. He had a couple of shots where you know,
Speaker 2: you know, he's taking a jab step three out of
Speaker 2: the corner when there's time on the shot clock or
Speaker 2: forcing the action inside and getting blocked from behind because
Speaker 2: he's not reading the floor. We're a little classic up
Speaker 2: and down Jonathan coming a type of game in the
Speaker 2: first half. But they come out in the second half
Speaker 2: and they start spamming three man action him, Stephan Draymond
Speaker 2: off the right side of the floor, and it presents
Speaker 2: all these like easy reads for Jonathan, Like, Okay, Steph's
Speaker 2: cutting off of this one, I'm gonna just relocate to
Speaker 2: the top of the key. Oh bam, the balls in
Speaker 2: my hands, I'm wide open, take a catch and shoot three,
Speaker 2: knock it down. Okay, this time, I'm slipping out of
Speaker 2: the screen as Steph is going up towards the top,
Speaker 2: and I'm getting open along the baseline. Boom pass finished
Speaker 2: with the right hand at the rim over ruy Hachimura.
Speaker 2: The kickout on the left corner off of a actually
Speaker 2: was in the right corner with Luca contesting off of
Speaker 2: one of those drives from Steph Curry. He was just
Speaker 2: playing Warriors basketball. He's gonna have his opportunities to attack
Speaker 2: one on one. He had an opportunity in the second
Speaker 2: half to go at Luca's chest and he got over
Speaker 2: his left shoulder for a little hook shot, especially in
Speaker 2: bench groups. He's gonna have opportunities to be more aggressive.
Speaker 2: But in order for him to be a functional player
Speaker 2: with the starters, especially, but in general, just as a
Speaker 2: large role player for the Warriors, he's got to hit
Speaker 2: his open catch and shoot threes, and he's got to
Speaker 2: make the simple reads. I'm driving to the basket, I
Speaker 2: draw eighting or I can't remember if it was haz
Speaker 2: Er eighting at that point in time draw that. I
Speaker 2: think it was Hayes. Draw him in. Help, there's Al
Speaker 2: Horford right there. Drop it off, no need to force it.
Speaker 2: Just make the easy read that's right there in front
Speaker 2: of you. Right. I thought Kamingo was fantastic in that
Speaker 2: second half. Yes, he was getting cooked by Louke, but
Speaker 2: I think that was more of a Luca thing. Luca
Speaker 2: has done that to the best, Like this version of
Speaker 2: Luca has done that to the best defensive players in
Speaker 2: the world. I watched him two years ago do it
Speaker 2: to Jayden McDaniels in the Conference finals. Is one of
Speaker 2: the certainly a better perimeter defender than John and the
Speaker 2: Kaminga Right, So like that is what it is all
Speaker 2: You can do is be physical and make him work. Luca's,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the two or three best players
Speaker 2: in the world, right but when it comes to the
Speaker 2: job that he has on offense for this group, I
Speaker 2: thought he executed it extremely well in that second half,
Speaker 2: leading the Warriors to pull away. Buddy healed. One of
Speaker 2: the things we're gonna consistently talk about tonight in this
Speaker 2: matchup is the difference in the foot speed between the
Speaker 2: two teams, and Buddy was getting a lot of opportunities
Speaker 2: to attack both, like with someone sprinting at him where
Speaker 2: he could show the ball and quick relocate, put the
Speaker 2: and get another shot up, or run up the key,
Speaker 2: relocating off out of the corner as someone's driving along
Speaker 2: the baseline or cutting along the baseline. He was getting
Speaker 2: good looks. He had five of them tonight. But he
Speaker 2: talked about in media day that he shot the ball
Speaker 2: better this summer than he ever has, and he expected
Speaker 2: to shoot the ball well. The season comes right out
Speaker 2: talking shit to Luca. It's five threes, a bunch of
Speaker 2: big ones in the second half that paid off those
Speaker 2: classic kind of Golden State sequences, and the Warriors end
Speaker 2: up chewing up and spitting out the Lakers tonight. I've
Speaker 2: been super fascinated by this concept. Was texting with Jackson
Speaker 2: about it during the game. You know, the change from
Speaker 2: Luca to Anthony Davis is so bizarre in the dynamic
Speaker 2: in this particular matchup between these two teams, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of a classic example of how basketball is more
Speaker 2: art than science. I don't think anybody would disagree that
Speaker 2: Luka Danciic is a better basketball player than Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2: He just is. I mean, what did he have like
Speaker 2: forty one, thirteen and seven or whatever it is he
Speaker 2: had tonight. Like Luca is one of the greatest offensive
Speaker 2: players in the game today, he is a better basketball
Speaker 2: player Anthony Davis, but he fundamentally changes the athletic profile
Speaker 2: of this Lakers roster. One of the things that happened
Speaker 2: in the previous years in that stretch there twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five before the Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: trade is the Lakers kind of dominated the matchup with
Speaker 2: the Warriors. The reason why is they had Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: on the back line, roaming off of whoever it was,
Speaker 2: Draymond Kevon Looney underneath the basket which gave the Lakers
Speaker 2: perimeter players a ton of leeway on the perimeter to overplay,
Speaker 2: whether that would be top locking to force guys into backcuts,
Speaker 2: or just in general denying off the ball, overplaying pull
Speaker 2: up shooters, overplaying Steph himself when he'd be on the
Speaker 2: three point line, and Anthony Davis was the type of
Speaker 2: rangey player on the back line they could cover tons
Speaker 2: of ground and use his length to completely shut off
Speaker 2: the rim. And it just consistently ended in mediocre shooters,
Speaker 2: guys like Kaminga, guys like Gary Payton, guys like Draymond
Speaker 2: Green having to take frees, and it was a matchup
Speaker 2: that skewed heavily towards the Lakers. You swap Luca for
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis, and all of a sudden, those perimeter players
Speaker 2: don't have that same leeway if they get backcut, there's
Speaker 2: nobody back there. Ayton all night long was heading the clouds.
Speaker 2: So's that had no idea like he was floating around
Speaker 2: the perimeter and was out of position to help on
Speaker 2: back cuts. Like a dozen times throughout this game, they
Speaker 2: do not have anywhere near the back line defense, especially
Speaker 2: with Lebron James out of the picture Lebron and Anthony Davis,
Speaker 2: the two of them roaming on the back line. Totally
Speaker 2: different matchup than DeAndre Ayton and Luka Doncic and Ruey
Speaker 2: Hatcha Mura roaming around on that back line. And I
Speaker 2: thought it was super interesting because one of the advantages
Speaker 2: that the Warriors have had consistently, even in the matchups
Speaker 2: where the Lakers had just done some winning, the Warriors
Speaker 2: were a faster team. They were faster on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: This that concept of perimeter speed is something we talked
Speaker 2: a lot about throughout the season last year for the Warriors.
Speaker 2: So when they get in their blender and it's ball
Speaker 2: and player movement and guys are sprinting off of screens
Speaker 2: and doing all the stuff that they do. When there's
Speaker 2: not an Anthony Davis to clear up all the mistakes
Speaker 2: on the back line, they are just chewing up and
Speaker 2: spitting this team out. And by the way, this is
Speaker 2: not just an opening night. Take those of you guys
Speaker 2: who followed the show last year, you'll remember after that
Speaker 2: big showdown, that big game late regular season, the first
Speaker 2: one where it was like Luca, Lebron and Austin versus
Speaker 2: the healthy Warriors, the Warriors chewed them up and spit
Speaker 2: them out in that game too. And if you guys remember,
Speaker 2: I came on the show after that game and I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I don't like this matchup for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: The Warriors just look substantially faster than them at every position.
Speaker 2: And this is we're talking about a Warriors team that's
Speaker 2: got four dudes that are over thirty seven. And it's
Speaker 2: part of it is Steph. Part of it is the
Speaker 2: fact that Draymond does play very fast for a big
Speaker 2: and part of it is this is a Warriors team
Speaker 2: that has a depth of role player talent off off
Speaker 2: of their stars that all know how to play in
Speaker 2: this system. And I was just super fascinated by that tonight.
Speaker 2: Is they just chewed up and spit out the Lakers.
Speaker 2: And so the Lakers go on to late game run right,
Speaker 2: ors have a couple of turnovers, Steph miss is a
Speaker 2: tough step back thory over. Gabe Austin gets a couple
Speaker 2: of buckets on the other end of the floor. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I think they cut it to what six, right,
Speaker 2: But right after that, the Warriors immediately regained control. Lakers
Speaker 2: had a really good defensive possession where they played all
Speaker 2: the actions right and ball ended up in Draymond Green's
Speaker 2: hands in the right corner. And you know, sometimes in
Speaker 2: order to shut down those actions, you got to concede something.
Speaker 2: They were conceding that corner three to Draymond, and to
Speaker 2: Draymond's credit, he stepped up and he knocked it down.
Speaker 2: Lakers go right down. They post up Luka Doncic on
Speaker 2: the right I think against I think it was against Buddy,
Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was, but he's posting up
Speaker 2: on the right side. He draws a double team swing.
Speaker 2: Swing ball goes to Gabe in the left corner, and
Speaker 2: Steph Curry makes an unbelievable defensive rotation out to the
Speaker 2: corner and blocks Gape Vincent on that three. I thought
Speaker 2: Steph was great all night defensively, competing in and out
Speaker 2: of actions out He had again a couple buckets that
Speaker 2: Luca gave him, but that's just Luca being Luca. Steph
Speaker 2: obviously is the engine that's running everything they're doing offensively.
Speaker 2: Makes a huge defensive play. Then they go down to
Speaker 2: the other end and Jimmy ISO's Luka Doncic beats him
Speaker 2: off the dribble, gets a little reverse layup, and the
Speaker 2: game is over and you can see the formula for
Speaker 2: the Warriors, right Like you need Steph to be Steph,
Speaker 2: you need Jimmy Butler to provide that legitimate secondary scoring
Speaker 2: via shot making, attacking in the post, and getting his
Speaker 2: way to the foul line. And then you either need
Speaker 2: winning basketball from kaminga like we saw in that second half,
Speaker 2: or a player in a trade that does that sort
Speaker 2: like that provides that that form of winning impact. From there,
Speaker 2: it's the system and the culture. It's the depth of
Speaker 2: role player talent you got. You get will Richard coming
Speaker 2: in and contributing the way that he did defensively, you
Speaker 2: get the Brandon Pajemski just scrappiness all over the floor
Speaker 2: and hitting big shots every once in a while. You
Speaker 2: get just the debt. This is a team that consistently
Speaker 2: every year has like somewhere between a dozen and fourteen
Speaker 2: guys that can step in and play. And like, we
Speaker 2: haven't even we haven't seen the Anthony Melton. We know
Speaker 2: what Moses Movie can do when he's healthy. It's this
Speaker 2: Warriors team. You know, I'm not quite as high on
Speaker 2: them as some of the projections I've seen like I've
Speaker 2: seen win projections as high as fifty seven wins. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna get to fifty seven wins, but
Speaker 2: it's easy to see how they can get to fifty
Speaker 2: two to fifty three wins in the stacked Western Conference
Speaker 2: because they have a formula and again the big swings
Speaker 2: that we got to keep an eye on, Jimmy secondary scoring,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Kaminga playing winning basketball, knocking down open shots, being
Speaker 2: able to play that read and react ball, and if
Speaker 2: he doesn't do that, what they're able to get into
Speaker 2: trade for him from there quickly On the Lakers before
Speaker 2: we get move on to the next game, I thought
Speaker 2: they stuck out like a sore thumb tonight in tonight's competition.
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Speaker 2: Rockets team that is huge and physical and getting up
Speaker 2: in your jersey and beating you up on the glass
Speaker 2: and posting you up with Alburn shangun and driving right
Speaker 2: into your face with the men Thompson and just bringing
Speaker 2: this overwhelming physical element as they went into the champs
Speaker 2: house on Trophy Night and came this close to beating them.
Speaker 2: And then you have the thunder who are down their
Speaker 2: second best player, shot six for twenty six on unguarded
Speaker 2: catching shoo jump shots. We'll talk more about that game
Speaker 2: in a minute, but they still win the game on
Speaker 2: the strength of an unbelievable second half from Shake gild
Speaker 2: As Alexander as an offensive player, a dominant defensive effort, scrapping,
Speaker 2: forcing twenty four turnovers, getting twenty six points off of
Speaker 2: those turnovers. And then you go to the Warriors. They're
Speaker 2: up in the Lakers jersey from the opening tip. They're
Speaker 2: flying around in rotation, they're being physical, they're sharp in transition.
Speaker 2: Their stars are locked in and competing and they're being physical.
Speaker 2: And then you see the Lakers who asigned from Luka Doncic.
Speaker 2: I don't think they had a single player who won
Speaker 2: his matchup tonight. It just was incredibly disappointing. On the
Speaker 2: one hand, I'm not overly surprised those of you guys
Speaker 2: who listened to yesterday's show. I talked about how coming
Speaker 2: out of camp the Lakers look to me like a
Speaker 2: mediocre basketball team. They look like a good offense, not
Speaker 2: a great offense. And they look like a bad defense,
Speaker 2: not an okay defense. They look like a bad defense
Speaker 2: all throughout camp. They first of all, they offer no
Speaker 2: defensive pressure at all. There's nobody that they play against
Speaker 2: that they make uncomfortable. They're not in your jersey. They're
Speaker 2: not applying physicality. They're not bringing any of that intensity
Speaker 2: on that end of the floor at all. They're jogging
Speaker 2: back in transition and giving up lob dunks because no
Speaker 2: one's picking up the rim or no one's stopping the ball.
Speaker 2: They're getting back cut all over the floor because guys
Speaker 2: aren't paying attention to man and ball. It was so
Speaker 2: incredibly sloppy. You see so many things we talked about
Speaker 2: swing factors, right, like swing factors like Jimmy Butler scoring
Speaker 2: the basketball, or Jonathan Kaminga making quality reads or knocking
Speaker 2: down catch and shoot jump shots. We're seeing can deandreton
Speaker 2: score on the role while he was catching in traffic
Speaker 2: and just getting stripped, Well, can Jared Vanderbilt Bilt Jared
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt provides some sort of offensive pop, Well, he still
Speaker 2: can't knock down a catch and shoot jump shot. And
Speaker 2: in the second half, in particular, was literally just like
Speaker 2: driving into the teeth of the defense and turning the
Speaker 2: ball over like that. It looked he looked extremely limited.
Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, there's like it's kind of funny watching the
Speaker 2: antics contest between Marcus Smart and and Raymond Green throughout
Speaker 2: the game. But like Marcus can't knock down an open
Speaker 2: catch and shoot shot, and he's not doing enough on
Speaker 2: the ball defensively to really disrupt high level ball handlers.
Speaker 2: That's something I've seen throughout all preseason. There's just it's depressing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I saw my friend deman Ra and Goula talking about
Speaker 2: how Lebron looked disengaged on the sideline. I don't know,
Speaker 2: like this has the potential to get ugly here. Now
Speaker 2: the schedule gets lighter. They have Minnesota on Friday, but
Speaker 2: then after that, you know, the next thirteen games are
Speaker 2: pretty light on what we would consider to be top
Speaker 2: tier championship contenders. I think Oklahoma City. They play Minnesota again,
Speaker 2: and then they have Oklahoma City on the road. But
Speaker 2: other than that, they're playing a bunch of middle tier
Speaker 2: and bottom tier teams, and so maybe they'll be able
Speaker 2: to pull this together and they'll be able to get
Speaker 2: some wins, and there's a huge upside, which is Luca.
Speaker 2: Like I want to be clear, like that what we
Speaker 2: saw from Luca tonight, we never even came remotely close
Speaker 2: to seeing that last year, not even not even a
Speaker 2: little bit. He never moved like that. He never had
Speaker 2: that like consistent downhill pressure. The short range shot making,
Speaker 2: that's something I had my eye on in preseason. He
Speaker 2: was one for seven on floaters in mid range jump
Speaker 2: shots in preseason. He had to hit like eight or
Speaker 2: nine of them. Today he was cooking the Warriors from
Speaker 2: the short to mid range, throwing the crazy kickouts. Still
Speaker 2: has no roleman chemistry with Ayton and the Lobs. He's
Speaker 2: got to figure that piece out. It's so much more
Speaker 2: natural with him with Jackson Hayes. That's something that him
Speaker 2: and eight and are going to have to figure out.
Speaker 2: But like Luca was amazing, and that's your big silver
Speaker 2: lining that you try to pull away from this is
Speaker 2: if you can right the ship with some of these
Speaker 2: other guys on the roster, you just you have the
Speaker 2: dude that I think is the second best basketball player
Speaker 2: in the world on your team. And so there's a
Speaker 2: whole lot of upside with Luca and what he brings
Speaker 2: to the table. But beyond that, it was just an
Speaker 2: idly disappointing debut for the Lakers, above and beyond anything
Speaker 2: having to do with individual talent, and there's some talent
Speaker 2: limitations here. I don't expect Ruy to be able to
Speaker 2: post up Draymond or Jimmy Butler without turning the ball
Speaker 2: over or fumbling it away. The Warriors in general are
Speaker 2: a swarming team that are going to cost some issues
Speaker 2: for some of the lesser offensive players. For the Lakers,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily expect them to be a team that's
Speaker 2: going to be dominant defensively, but they just also don't
Speaker 2: look sharp. And we talked about this yesterday, But like,
Speaker 2: if you're already a step slow athletically, you can't also
Speaker 2: be a step slow mentally. You have to be ahead
Speaker 2: of things with your reads on defense, you have to
Speaker 2: be ahead of things with your execution on defense, because
Speaker 2: you're already giving up an inch in the form of
Speaker 2: the athleticism advantage that the opponent's going to have most nights.
Speaker 2: That definitely not, definitely not an inspiring debut from the Lakers.
Speaker 2: But again, Luca looks amazing. I thought Luca was really
Speaker 2: good on defense for the most part. He got cooked
Speaker 2: by Jimmy on that last possession, but I bet his
Speaker 2: rotations were sharp. He had some help side plays at
Speaker 2: the rim where he got blocks of deflections are good contests.
Speaker 2: He had like a post up stop against al Warford.
Speaker 2: He had a really nice iso stop against Steph along
Speaker 2: the left wing lad in the game when the Lakers
Speaker 2: were going on their run. A lot of really impressive
Speaker 2: stuff from Luca, and then just all bad down the list.
Speaker 2: From there, Austin has kind of become a player that
Speaker 2: can struggle against physical, swarming, athletic defenses. I thought Austin
Speaker 2: struggled throughout the night. He just seemed like he was
Speaker 2: over penetrating and getting swarmed and not finding easy kickout reads.
Speaker 2: His shot making wasn't there the way it usually was.
Speaker 2: Shot making wasn't there in preseason either, especially from the
Speaker 2: three point line. But like again, once you get off Luca,
Speaker 2: a lot of depressing on the Lakers front. Again, we'll
Speaker 2: have more thoughts on this as we get I'm gonna
Speaker 2: watch both of these games again tomorrow morning, so if
Speaker 2: I have any any add additional takeaway from there, I'll
Speaker 2: share them in tomorrow night's show. But that's all I
Speaker 2: have on the Lakers Warriors from now. Let's move on
Speaker 2: to Rockets Thunder. What an incredibly bizarre basketball game. We
Speaker 2: had one hundred and twelve misshots, thirty six turnovers, twenty
Speaker 2: eight offensive rebounds, a half dozen missed clutch free throws,
Speaker 2: including some from both KD and Shay. Shay had several,
Speaker 2: but the game ends up coming down to one single
Speaker 2: ISO and double overtime. Along the left wing with Shae
Speaker 2: on the ball, KD guarding him, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was the right move by KD in that spot in
Speaker 2: the sense that he was the only guy other than
Speaker 2: a Men Thompson who was hurt at that point who
Speaker 2: had had some success guarding Shay, so KD guards him
Speaker 2: on the inbounds, and I thought Shay made an incredibly
Speaker 2: smart play. In general, Shay was fantastic in the second half,
Speaker 2: attacking some very complex and very aggressive and mixed up
Speaker 2: coverages from Houston, but he made his smartest play of
Speaker 2: the game there at the end of double overtime to
Speaker 2: win it. So for starting at the beginning of that
Speaker 2: possession when Kd's guarding Shaye, he's super aggressive, which was
Speaker 2: different than how he had guarded Shaye earlier in the
Speaker 2: game on his one on one possessions. Earlier in the game,
Speaker 2: he had been giving Shaye space, offering contests with his length,
Speaker 2: and he had actually Forcedhae into some missues because he's
Speaker 2: got some long ass arms and Kd's hard to shootover.
Speaker 2: But on this possession, KD came out pressuring him like
Speaker 2: kind of gambling, reaching a little bit out of control.
Speaker 2: And so the smart move from Shaye was he didn't
Speaker 2: try to shoot. He knew KD was being overly aggressive,
Speaker 2: so he threw him a pump fake spun over his
Speaker 2: left shoulder and pumped. KD followed that chain of aggression
Speaker 2: into an aggressive contest, and so because Shaye pump faked,
Speaker 2: all he had to do was just throw up a
Speaker 2: shot and he earned his way to the foul line
Speaker 2: that won the game. And then, to add insult to injury,
Speaker 2: KD filed out on the play, which removed him as
Speaker 2: a final possession option. Actually thought Jabari Smith got a
Speaker 2: half decent look over the top of Jalen Williams over
Speaker 2: there on the left corner, but it was long and
Speaker 2: the thunder he got the win Chase solved the problem.
Speaker 2: Tonight finished that game with thirty five points, which is
Speaker 2: insane considering he had a relatively empty box score a
Speaker 2: few minutes into the third quarter and the Rockets threw
Speaker 2: one hell of a defensive punch. They had a men
Speaker 2: Thompson on him one on one, and again a men
Speaker 2: provides like a combination of size and athleticism defensively that
Speaker 2: is different than just about anyone else in the league.
Speaker 2: Jackson and I were talking about it before the show, like,
Speaker 2: I think he might be the fastest like big wing
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen, like fastest player that's over sixty
Speaker 2: six and that has long arms. In ball screens, they
Speaker 2: were blitzing him every single time to get the ball
Speaker 2: out of his hands. Then they also mixed in a
Speaker 2: ton of zone, especially when Steven Adams was on the floor.
Speaker 2: Basically everything was geared towards getting the ball out of
Speaker 2: Shay's hands and forcing his teammates to quick process and
Speaker 2: kicked the shooters. And another thing to Houston's credit here,
Speaker 2: I thought they did a great job rotating and like
Speaker 2: making those kickout threes off of the double teams contested
Speaker 2: or congested and feeling rushed Ogoma hit He also didn't
Speaker 2: shoot well. I want to be clear, there were lots
Speaker 2: of great looks that didn't go down. There were six
Speaker 2: for twenty six from unguarded threes in this game, especially
Speaker 2: if you in the second half from lou Dort, that
Speaker 2: were like complete stands, still gotta knock them down types
Speaker 2: of shots. But I do want to give Houston credit
Speaker 2: here for their defense. I thought they played a great game,
Speaker 2: and early on there, about halfway through the game, it
Speaker 2: was about as discombobulated as I've ever seen Shay, at
Speaker 2: least in a long time. But Shay just slowly but
Speaker 2: surely figured it out. Started by hunting every transition opportunity
Speaker 2: you could get, so every time that there was a
Speaker 2: miss or a turnover and Shae got an opportunity to
Speaker 2: attack before Houston had their defense set, he either quickly
Speaker 2: hit a gap or he catch a quick like step
Speaker 2: up screen and transition and hit that gap before Houston
Speaker 2: could really congest things at the rim. And he started
Speaker 2: finding those little seams to get all the way to
Speaker 2: the rim. And then against the zone, he found several
Speaker 2: things that worked. He started just taking ball screens off
Speaker 2: the top and riding that into the middle of the floor.
Speaker 2: He was able to get some better kickouts from there.
Speaker 2: To his credit, he kept trusting his teammates all game
Speaker 2: long as they were sending the kitchen sink at him
Speaker 2: even though the shots weren't falling. And by the way,
Speaker 2: say what you want about the shots not falling. Case On,
Speaker 2: Wallace and chet Holmgren each hit massive threes down the
Speaker 2: stretcher that case On hit two of them massive threes
Speaker 2: down the stretch because Shay kept trusting them even though
Speaker 2: the shots had not been following falling. He also started
Speaker 2: isoting the top guy. These are some little tricks he
Speaker 2: found to stop having to deal with the doubles. Like
Speaker 2: Leiden regulation, I'm not calling for a screen. I know
Speaker 2: it's a men Thompson, but I want my one on
Speaker 2: one And he got to that little step back from
Speaker 2: eighteen feet there on the left side that tied the
Speaker 2: game and send it to ot against the zone. In
Speaker 2: the zone when they'd have an occupied corner, meaning a
Speaker 2: shooter in the strong side corner and a shooter on
Speaker 2: the opposite wing. If he was dribbling against that top guy,
Speaker 2: they weren't doubling. They weren't at first they weren't doubling
Speaker 2: off the corner or off of that top. They would
Speaker 2: double him if he drove, Like if he beat the middle,
Speaker 2: beat the man to the middle and drove, they would
Speaker 2: pinch in from the top from the opposite wing. And yeah,
Speaker 2: if he drove down the left side, they'd pinch in.
Speaker 2: But if he just kind of went one on one
Speaker 2: for a pull up jump shot against the top man
Speaker 2: in the zone, he was able to go one on one.
Speaker 2: And so he kind of just work over to Jabari
Speaker 2: Smith's side and push a little bit over to the
Speaker 2: sideline so that that other top man wouldn't come over
Speaker 2: so far. And then he would just dribble at his
Speaker 2: chest and go to that textbook step back or that
Speaker 2: little snatchback dribble that he goes to. And he just
Speaker 2: kept getting the shots that he could have hit over
Speaker 2: the top, and his shot making was unbel The shot
Speaker 2: that he hit to send it to ot over a
Speaker 2: men Thompson was insane. Great contest from a man hit
Speaker 2: a pull up three over a man on the one
Speaker 2: on the right wing. The one that actually was the
Speaker 2: play where a men Thompson don't I'm hoping it was
Speaker 2: just cramps that he was dealing with, hopefully nothing more
Speaker 2: serious because he left the game at that point, but
Speaker 2: just unbelievable shot making. He somehow managed to find like
Speaker 2: a legit scoring rhythm against a defense that was designed
Speaker 2: to get the ball out of his hands. I was
Speaker 2: incredibly impressed. Eventually Houston started doubling him in the zone.
Speaker 2: That was what happened in overtime. They were straight up
Speaker 2: doubling him in the zone, and that started creating those
Speaker 2: openings for those last two threes that Keseon Wallace and
Speaker 2: Cheed Holmgren hit. Credit to those guys. They just kept
Speaker 2: shooting and they knocked him down. So like in other words,
Speaker 2: Shay was presented with a bizarre, massive lineup that was
Speaker 2: guarding him in a variety of really weird and aggressive ways,
Speaker 2: and he just kept going at them until he figured
Speaker 2: it out. I couldn't be more impressed. It was a
Speaker 2: night where a lot went wrong for Oklahoma City. Like
Speaker 2: Check gives you a burst of scoring to start the game,
Speaker 2: really impressive little burst. He hits like a three on
Speaker 2: the wing. It's like a turnaround, tough, little right shoulder
Speaker 2: fade over over. Kevin Durant hits a little mid range
Speaker 2: jump shot in the middle of the zone. He's just
Speaker 2: I think he had like seventeen in his first ship
Speaker 2: for fifteen in his first ship. Check came out guns blazing,
Speaker 2: but other than that, they didn't get any sort of
Speaker 2: consistent shot creation from anybody that wasn't Shay the rest
Speaker 2: of the night. J dub is obviously out still dealing
Speaker 2: with the wrist injury. They shot six for twenty six
Speaker 2: on unguarded catching two jump shots according to Synergy, and
Speaker 2: you somehow win because Shay pulls thirty five points literally
Speaker 2: out of nowhere against the defense. He had no business
Speaker 2: putting that sort of scoring output against Just tip of
Speaker 2: the cap to Shaye. Unbelievable preseason and followed it up
Speaker 2: with an unbelievable debut. A lot of other good for
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City. I thought their defense was super impressive all night.
Speaker 2: They were physically outmatched basically at every position because of
Speaker 2: that huge Houston lineup, and they just battled. One of
Speaker 2: the underrated pieces of this game was like Houston did
Speaker 2: a ton of damage on the offensive glass, but then
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City ended up controlling the offensive glass late in
Speaker 2: the game, got a bunch of extra possessions and extra
Speaker 2: points out of that sort of thing they were scrapping.
Speaker 2: They forced twenty four turnovers and got twenty six points
Speaker 2: off of them. That's classic Oklahoma City basketball right there.
Speaker 2: I know Lou Dort had a rough shooting night and
Speaker 2: he had a bad foul against Kevin Durant obviously late
Speaker 2: in the game, but I thought one of the most
Speaker 2: underrated storylines of this game was just Lou Dort denying
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant at the basketball. Like KD was sharp with
Speaker 2: his attacks when he had the ball, so there's a
Speaker 2: reason why he only had twenty three points. Houston couldn't
Speaker 2: get the ball to him from the opening tip. Dort
Speaker 2: was in his jersey and consistently positioning himself between the
Speaker 2: ball like the passer and where KD was and just
Speaker 2: making that entry pass super difficult. He even managed to
Speaker 2: force a massive turnover late in the game that helped
Speaker 2: swing the game. And like again, I always believe these
Speaker 2: things are connected. Kevin Durant was zero for four from three,
Speaker 2: and I thought a big part of it was the
Speaker 2: way that Lou Door just wore down Kd's base with
Speaker 2: all that physicality. Big time night from Lou Dort on
Speaker 2: the defensive end of the four, Cruso and Cason Wallace
Speaker 2: combined for six steals. I even thought Shay was great
Speaker 2: defensively in this game. He brought a lot of ball
Speaker 2: pressure to start. He ended up with two steals in
Speaker 2: two blocks. I just thought he was competing really hard
Speaker 2: on that end of the floor, understanding that that's how
Speaker 2: they needed to win that game. And like, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: This is going to be how Oklahoma City's gonna have
Speaker 2: to win as long as Jadub is out. Without j Dub,
Speaker 2: they just their light on refined offensive skill. We're gonna
Speaker 2: see a ton of doubling and blitzing of Shay. We're
Speaker 2: gonna see a ton of zone against them. They're gonna
Speaker 2: have to win with defense to transition and with guys
Speaker 2: quickly processing with ball and player movement knocking down threes
Speaker 2: off of the attention that Shay draws. But tip of
Speaker 2: the cap to Okay. See, that was a hell of
Speaker 2: a way to start their title defense. Like you get
Speaker 2: spoon fed, Like, yeah, here's your rings. And by the way,
Speaker 2: here's one of the most talented rosters in the NBA
Speaker 2: that's starting four to seven footers basically and They're gonna
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of you physically all night. Let's
Speaker 2: see you try to start your title defense and they
Speaker 2: just battled, and they just got it done. Tip of
Speaker 2: the cap to the Thunder. That was a super interesting
Speaker 2: debut for the Rockets, though that team is gonna be
Speaker 2: a problem again. I know KD wasn't as much of
Speaker 2: a factor tonight because of the ball denial from Dort,
Speaker 2: but I thought you saw a lot of the upside
Speaker 2: right Like KD was nine for twelve on twos. That's
Speaker 2: what happened when he was actually able to catch the
Speaker 2: ball and attack. He just never misses a mid range
Speaker 2: jump shot. When he gets a good look. He can
Speaker 2: rest possessions with shot making in late clock situations. There
Speaker 2: was a possession late where Dort was detached from him
Speaker 2: because KD brought the ball at the floor and Shanggun
Speaker 2: actually managed to hit him on a screen, which then
Speaker 2: forced Hartenstein to step up easy little pocket pass to
Speaker 2: Shangoon get a bucket on the short roll. That's the
Speaker 2: kind of thing that when you're not playing Lou Dort
Speaker 2: and you're able to run more ball screen action and
Speaker 2: actually unlock Shangun as a roller that's going to be
Speaker 2: an entirely different dynamic to this Rockets offense that we
Speaker 2: didn't get to see too much of tonight. But like
Speaker 2: it's a little bit more complicated. Like I did think,
Speaker 2: you know, for all to talk about KD not getting
Speaker 2: the basketball from the Dort denials, I watched a preseason
Speaker 2: game where Houston played New Orleans and in that game
Speaker 2: there were some extended stretches where Kad wasn't able to
Speaker 2: get the basketball, and a big part of it was
Speaker 2: it just wasn't finding its way to him as they
Speaker 2: were playing through a men in Shangoon. And so I
Speaker 2: think Udoka is going to have to do a little
Speaker 2: bit more of an intentional job to make sure that
Speaker 2: the ball finds its way to Kevin Durant more often. Again,
Speaker 2: Dort is Dort. He's going to present some problems that
Speaker 2: I think they can do better getting the ball to KD.
Speaker 2: But I thought Shangun and the men Thompson were both
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. Thirty nine, eleven and seven from Shangun consistently
Speaker 2: punishing the Okacs Smalls with post ups. He did some
Speaker 2: damage to Chet two to one on one, did a
Speaker 2: bunch of damage to Caruso. And this is a guy
Speaker 2: who like did a ton of damage to Nicole Jokich
Speaker 2: in Game seven last year, if you guys remember, but
Speaker 2: Shangun was just backing him down and protecting the basketball,
Speaker 2: getting to his left shoulder hook following his shot when
Speaker 2: he would miss. Passing well. I thought he passed well
Speaker 2: out of double teams all night. It was one of
Speaker 2: the most efficient forms of offense was just give the
Speaker 2: ball to Shangoon until someone sends a double. He showcase
Speaker 2: the three point shot he's been working on all summer.
Speaker 2: He hit several above the break threes off the wings. Again,
Speaker 2: when they're running their two big lineups, that's going to
Speaker 2: be super important. When Steven Adams is operating underneath the
Speaker 2: basket as an offensive rebounder and cutter, that's going to
Speaker 2: force guys like Shangoon and a Men Thompson to knock
Speaker 2: down threes. And Shangun was hitting those threes. He's gonna
Speaker 2: have to be able to hit those to space the floor.
Speaker 2: He just looks poised for an All NBA campaign. He
Speaker 2: looked like Houston's best player tonight. Unbelievable season debut for
Speaker 2: Albert and Shangun and then a Men Thompson again, like
Speaker 2: he was zero for seven from three and that's obviously
Speaker 2: going to be the barrier between where he is right
Speaker 2: now and where he wants to be as a player
Speaker 2: in the future. And it's going to be a spacing
Speaker 2: issue for Houston again, like a lot of the damage
Speaker 2: that A Men did last year was working along the
Speaker 2: baseline with Shang Goon around the elbows, kind of like
Speaker 2: a high low kind of like vertical spacing angle. That's
Speaker 2: not going to be there with Steven Adams on the floor.
Speaker 2: It's going to for There was even a play where
Speaker 2: Reed Shepherd kicked the ball out of bounds in the
Speaker 2: left corner because Amen Thompson was cutting along the baseline
Speaker 2: and the play where there was no space for him
Speaker 2: to cut. So that's obviously something he'll have to work on.
Speaker 2: Like hitting shots is going to be an imperative for
Speaker 2: them this season. But other than that, I was incredibly
Speaker 2: impressed by a Man as well, Like he made Sga
Speaker 2: work all night. His recovery athleticism is completely insane. He
Speaker 2: had a chase down block on Shae on a drive
Speaker 2: that was ridiculous. He had this other play where he
Speaker 2: stopped Kason Wallace in transition, Kaison's pushing the ball at
Speaker 2: the floor and a man's like twenty feet behind him,
Speaker 2: and a man like just straight up sprinted and got
Speaker 2: back in front of Kaison and forced him to take
Speaker 2: a retreat dribble, and I was like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: His speed at the wing is unlike anything I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: But he also showed some insane upside as a slot
Speaker 2: ISO option. The ball screen stuff was mixed, hit some
Speaker 2: shots in the middle floor, also had some turnovers, some
Speaker 2: bad kickouts. There were some mistakes from men there. That's
Speaker 2: to be expected. He's being foisted into a ball handling
Speaker 2: role that's kind of above what he's capable of right now,
Speaker 2: so it's gonna come with some mistakes. But down the
Speaker 2: stretch and regulation, especially with Dort denying KD they just
Speaker 2: went to a men Thompson one on one off the
Speaker 2: slot against Kason Wallace and he was getting buckets and like,
Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me of John Morant in the
Speaker 2: sense that he has this supreme first step and handle
Speaker 2: to beat the first dude off the dribble, and then
Speaker 2: he's kind of immune to spacing on the ball because
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to get all the way to the rim.
Speaker 2: He can just pop up off the ground around five
Speaker 2: feet and he get all these little floaters in short
Speaker 2: jump shots there that make him extremely difficult to guard. Again,
Speaker 2: like down the stretch of this game, they were playing
Speaker 2: through a men in regulation and he was getting buckets. Again,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be up and down. There's gonna be mistakes.
Speaker 2: He's a young player, but like his upside is preposterous
Speaker 2: now again, like it's flawed for Houston in general. Like
Speaker 2: I said, they gotta find a way to keep Kevin
Speaker 2: Durant involved. That was something that was an issue dating
Speaker 2: back to preseason. They have spacing issues like shang gun
Speaker 2: shot the ball well, but a men. Thompson and Tari
Speaker 2: Easton got a lot of open shots that didn't go in.
Speaker 2: I think between the two of them, they were like,
Speaker 2: oh for a dozen. We saw the issues in this
Speaker 2: particular matchup. I talked before the season about how is
Speaker 2: severely concerned about their lack of ball handling, specifically in
Speaker 2: this matchup with Oklahoma City, specifically leading to turnovers and
Speaker 2: transition problems. They gave up twenty six points on twenty
Speaker 2: four turnovers, so there's a lot that they have to
Speaker 2: work out, but they also clearly present real problems for
Speaker 2: everyone else. They're monstrous on the offensive glass. They have
Speaker 2: a ton of length that can cause problems for any offense,
Speaker 2: elite on ball defenders to throw out the best players
Speaker 2: in the world. They have three real matchup problems on offense,
Speaker 2: like Shan Gun's a matchup problem, A Men Thompson in
Speaker 2: his ability to just iso dudes in space, that's a problem.
Speaker 2: And Kevin Durant is Kevin freaking duran They're gonna find
Speaker 2: a way to manufacture points. They just have a ton
Speaker 2: of talent. I don't know if they're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to win the whole thing, but they just strike me
Speaker 2: as one of those teams that is going to present
Speaker 2: some real problems for a lot of teams and is
Speaker 2: at the very least a upset threat against everyone. All right, Jackson,
Speaker 2: let's get into our questions for the night.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: What is going on? Uh?
Speaker 1: First one is gonna be what did you think of
Speaker 1: the entire NBC broadcast experience today?
Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome. They kind of like kept
Speaker 2: it true to the spirit of basketball, like light on
Speaker 2: fluff heavy on like the pomp and circumstance of the
Speaker 2: actual game, right like we're here, we're gonna show the
Speaker 2: national anthem, We're gonna show the player introductions, like we're
Speaker 2: getting ready to do opening tip instead of like doing
Speaker 2: some sort of quick interview or sideline report or or
Speaker 2: like some sort of just random diet tribe from the
Speaker 2: from the broadcast crew. We just got to like soak
Speaker 2: it all in, right, Like it just got to did
Speaker 2: they go radio silence and we just get to listen
Speaker 2: to the whole thing. I thought the broadcast crew was great.
Speaker 2: I thought the the Michael Jordan halftime thing was just
Speaker 2: like kind of funny. You can tell, like I'm not
Speaker 2: the first one of this joke, but you could just
Speaker 2: tell that they literally like sat down with Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: for an hour and they're just gonna cut it up
Speaker 2: into little clips throughout the season. So it's super efficient
Speaker 2: on that rod, I guess. But like it just felt
Speaker 2: like it just felt nostalgic and it felt like NBA
Speaker 2: hoops and I just just ten out of ten. No, No,
Speaker 2: it's what were your thoughts, Jackson?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the pregame did a really good job
Speaker 1: of sort of and a lot of people made this
Speaker 1: point online much more celebratory of the game than some
Speaker 1: of the other broadcast partners like ESPN and TNT that
Speaker 1: had been pointed out, you know previously, and which is
Speaker 1: I liked those broadcasts too, to be honest, but like
Speaker 1: I thought they was really celebratory tonight. I thought, I
Speaker 1: think Maria Taylor is just consistently great pretty much everything
Speaker 1: she does. She was awesome tonight. I have thought Tracy
Speaker 1: mcgrady's kind of hit her miss sometimes. I thought he
Speaker 1: was really good in the pregame. I of Jamal Crawford
Speaker 1: on the game. He was great on the game. It
Speaker 1: was even though Reggie Miller is kind of a polarizing
Speaker 1: guy and I think he's gotten better.
Speaker 3: Than he used to be.
Speaker 1: It did feel I like that he was on this
Speaker 1: specifically the first game of the night, because it felt
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of familiarity. Everything was new,
Speaker 1: Every other part of the broadcast was new, but he
Speaker 1: was something that we're used to hearing, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was actually valuable.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. Yeah, Like there's something about hearing
Speaker 2: Reggie Miller, even if it does come with the occasion,
Speaker 2: like there was a stretch where Oklahoma City was doubling
Speaker 2: Shanghun post ups and He's like, Shayguon's letting him off
Speaker 2: the hook. He needs to put him in the blender.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, he's literally getting double team that. He's
Speaker 2: making great passes out so he's making the right read
Speaker 2: every single time. I don't know what you about to do,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, there's something there. Speaking of nostalgia, there's
Speaker 2: something nostalgic about watching a big NBA game and having
Speaker 2: Reggie Miller in the background saying Reggie Miller things.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely and it's and it was.
Speaker 1: A really good pairing with Jamal Crawford, who is consistently
Speaker 1: just getting smart inside the entire time. It's like a
Speaker 1: fun little two players but very different styles contrasts. I
Speaker 1: thought that broadcast team specifically was really good. The second
Speaker 1: one was, you know, it was okay. I think Grant
Speaker 1: Hill is okay, no Eagles sounds exactly like his dad.
Speaker 3: Though it's great.
Speaker 2: He does it's kind of creepy, but he's great at it.
Speaker 2: He just he just he understands the assignment absolutely.
Speaker 1: All right, We'll do a couple of rockets questions or
Speaker 1: a couple of questions from that game, and a couple
Speaker 1: of questions from the league game, and then I got here.
Speaker 1: First question is about Reed Shepherd. What did you think
Speaker 1: of his performance? And then and do you think he
Speaker 1: can be maybe not the whole answer, but at least
Speaker 1: part of the answer for the Rockets and their ball
Speaker 1: handling situation.
Speaker 2: So I feel like re did some good tonight. I
Speaker 2: thought he made some good decisions coming off of action.
Speaker 2: There was a certain amount of like with KD being
Speaker 2: denied the basketball, they kind of needed someone to confidently
Speaker 2: step into some shots. And like, yeah, he didn't shoot
Speaker 2: the ball efficiently, but he got to the foul line
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and he was he hit that
Speaker 2: one little tough kind of jump jumper along the right
Speaker 2: base line, like in the second half, like he kind
Speaker 2: of manufactured some points. I thought that I was. I
Speaker 2: was more impressed with him defensively in preseason than I
Speaker 2: was in tonight's game. I thought he looked physically overwhelmed
Speaker 2: at the point of attack. A few times he gave
Speaker 2: up like five or six pretty bad straight line drives.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a hard time with uh with
Speaker 2: Reid because I texted Sam Messini the other day because
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, man, like I just don't see
Speaker 2: it with Reid, Like what's going on? Like I see
Speaker 2: a guy that can guard a little bit, who like
Speaker 2: competes and flies around in rotation and can make plays.
Speaker 2: I see a guy who can shoot, but I don't
Speaker 2: see like this dynamic on ball player. And Sam was like,
Speaker 2: trust me, he's like he can really shoot, So like,
Speaker 2: wait till he figures that out, that'll be fine. And
Speaker 2: he can do better defensively than he's shown. And I
Speaker 2: trust Sam, like Sam scouted Read to a much greater
Speaker 2: extent than I did when he was a younger player.
Speaker 2: But I will admit that, like I don't see the
Speaker 2: same like crazy upside that a lot of some of
Speaker 2: the NBA hipsters talk about with Shepherd. And I just
Speaker 2: be like, and I'm not just I like literally, out
Speaker 2: there in the entire world, there's a ton of Read
Speaker 2: Shepherd buzz. It's like kind of all you can see
Speaker 2: is everyone's like reach Epherd, this reach Epherd dad, And
Speaker 2: like I, he certainly has potential, but I just I
Speaker 2: haven't really seen that bear out at the NBA level yet.
Speaker 2: I don't look at him as a solution to their
Speaker 2: ball handling problems. But I've been wrong before, so not
Speaker 2: gonna brag.
Speaker 1: I thought the ball handling and the defense are pretty underwhelming.
Speaker 1: It does seem like he can be a pretty light
Speaker 1: seut shooter, and I thought he was good coming off faction.
Speaker 1: He was not able to solve the thunderball pressure, I'll
Speaker 1: say that. And they're the fastball better team in the league,
Speaker 1: so it's not like we should write him off because
Speaker 1: of that, but he did not have the chops for
Speaker 1: it tonight.
Speaker 2: It's a hell of a first test for Houston's offense
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's you know, he gets onto like the
Speaker 1: worst situation possible, and they always want and they almost want.
Speaker 1: Next question, do you feel like okay See's struggling today
Speaker 1: a sort of a championship hangover Ring Knight situation or
Speaker 1: do you feel like the lack of Jadup.
Speaker 3: Is going to be sort of an issue for them
Speaker 3: until he comes back.
Speaker 2: I think that the book is out on how to
Speaker 2: guard Oklahoma City in general from the postseason, which is
Speaker 2: throw a bunch of zone at them, and like here's
Speaker 2: the thing with the zone, like because like there's this
Speaker 2: idea that like oh, well, they got great looks, they're
Speaker 2: just going to go in. One of the things that
Speaker 2: happens with zone is it changes the rhythm of the
Speaker 2: game and it just feels like very different basketball than
Speaker 2: what you're accustomed to playing. Now, this could go the
Speaker 2: other direction. If you zone Oklahoma City too much, these
Speaker 2: guys are just gonna get good at it. It's gonna
Speaker 2: and then it's gonna become a problem. And for the record,
Speaker 2: they had some success against the zone in the postseason
Speaker 2: as the as the series went longer. But in general,
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see a lot of double teaming
Speaker 2: and blitzing a Shay, a lot of packing the pain
Speaker 2: on his drives, a lot of zone, and a lot
Speaker 2: of just daring everybody else to beat them while J
Speaker 2: Dub's out. And I mean, i'd argue that's how teams
Speaker 2: are gonna guard them even when J Dubb is there
Speaker 2: right now, like I do think, I thought in the
Speaker 2: first half, Houston actually did a really nice job pressuring them,
Speaker 2: and most of their looks were pretty rushed and contested.
Speaker 2: In the second half, I thought they missed some really
Speaker 2: good looks and that's where you can't really fault the process, Like,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like those above the break threes off
Speaker 2: the wing, and Chatt and case On both missed some
Speaker 2: of those too in addition to making them, but like
Speaker 2: you kind of have to take them. Like if you're
Speaker 2: not taking them, then you're basically asking Shay to just
Speaker 2: rescue you with shot making the entire game. That's too
Speaker 2: much to ask. At a certain point, the defensive coverage
Speaker 2: is designed to concede that shot, and you have to
Speaker 2: take it, and you've got the players who can make them,
Speaker 2: and to their credit, they hit the ones they needed.
Speaker 1: Late last question on this game. Thought on the missed
Speaker 1: timeout call.
Speaker 2: Katie got away with one. I mean it was it was.
Speaker 2: It was pretty clear. I mean he I. It was
Speaker 2: one of those things where like as a basketball fan,
Speaker 2: you have to be happy they didn't call it, because
Speaker 2: what a lame ass way to end that game if
Speaker 2: they end that with Katie getting a technical for the
Speaker 2: time out. So like I wasn't complaining as a fan,
Speaker 2: but watching the game, I was like, yeah, Katie, you
Speaker 2: got away with one right there.
Speaker 1: And it's and you know, the basketball gods shine down
Speaker 1: and gave OKC at one point win.
Speaker 2: Yes, they did. They did on a foul. On there
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 3: I'm sure exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I'll take a couple of questions from the late game
Speaker 1: early on, and you know, with an opponent like the Lakers,
Speaker 1: but do you think this type of Warriors performance can
Speaker 1: can carry over against higher quality competition, you know, specifically
Speaker 1: with Denver on Thursday.
Speaker 2: So Denver is actually kind of a similar matchup to
Speaker 2: the Lakers in the sense that they have a big
Speaker 2: that Golden State can attack in space, and they're generally faster.
Speaker 2: I think the Warriors are faster than Denver. I texted
Speaker 2: you this, and it's like it's not a skepticism necessarily
Speaker 2: about the Warriors, it's just like the reality of this,
Speaker 2: just this job. Like I personally would like to see
Speaker 2: Golden State try to score against a faster defense, just
Speaker 2: to kind of get a better evaluation of like Jimmy
Speaker 2: and Jonathan kaminga like, guess what what happens when you
Speaker 2: play against a faster defense. Those reads get harder, those
Speaker 2: reads get more difficult to make, right, and the shots
Speaker 2: each get a little bit tougher to make as you're
Speaker 2: rushed and you're a little bit out of rhythm. Right, So,
Speaker 2: like I do want to see what it looks like
Speaker 2: against tougher competition, But like, how could you not be enthused?
Speaker 2: I mean, like the Lakers. Yeah, the Lakers are behind schedule,
Speaker 2: where no one's debating that, and obviously not having Lebron
Speaker 2: as a problem, but there's still some talent on that team.
Speaker 2: And like I thought, I thought, like aside, like, do
Speaker 2: you agree with me that had Luca not gone nuclear,
Speaker 2: they win that game by thirty? Like I thought, they
Speaker 2: thoroughly out class the Lakers easily.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Luca like straight up turned a double digit
Speaker 2: deficit into a tie game before the half with that
Speaker 2: crazy haymaker he threw at the end of the second quarter,
Speaker 2: And like, I just thought, here's the thing. All you
Speaker 2: hope to see from a team on opening night is
Speaker 2: for them to come out play well, and they came
Speaker 2: out and beat the shit out of the Lakers. So like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't see that as anything other than a positive.
Speaker 2: But I think Denver will kind of. I think Denver
Speaker 2: is a matchup that favors Golden State athletically and isn't
Speaker 2: necessarily a true test of their offense. Let's just put
Speaker 2: it that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, I don't expect Jimmy
Speaker 1: Butler to have this kind of scoring performance every single night,
Speaker 1: but Steth Curry was going to shoot the ball a
Speaker 1: lot better, absolutely get a pretty below his standards. He
Speaker 1: had the Dagger pretty below his standard shooting performance. So
Speaker 1: I think it's all going to kind of normalize, and
Speaker 1: I expect them to be pretty pretty darn to good
Speaker 1: in the regular season if they can stay healthy, which
Speaker 1: is you know, been the big.
Speaker 3: Question that said they are very deep.
Speaker 1: I could not stop talking texting during the game, and
Speaker 1: I forgot about Moses Moody.
Speaker 3: Somehow, who is We'll be back imminently.
Speaker 2: It seems like, yeah, they just have They just have.
Speaker 2: Every year they just have like thirteen fourteen dudes like
Speaker 2: in this Will Will Richards the next guy in this line.
Speaker 2: But it's like every year they just they find dudes
Speaker 2: who know how to play basketball in their system, and
Speaker 2: it's just it is a testament to their culture. And
Speaker 2: I've been really fascinated by this with teams like Golden
Speaker 2: State and like Indiana and Boston and Oklahoma City. Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City's like this too. They keep finding dudes that just
Speaker 2: can play. And there a j Mitchell today, like they
Speaker 2: just they like these these really smart organizations, they can
Speaker 2: find dudes on the margins in a way that other
Speaker 2: teams can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this being able to self analyze and
Speaker 1: know who you are is just so valuable. These seems
Speaker 1: to know exactly who they are what they want to
Speaker 1: do on both sides of the ball, and they know
Speaker 1: exactly and so it makes a lot easier to find
Speaker 1: players who fit in that as opposed to team when
Speaker 1: you're kind of just like, who are we, what are
Speaker 1: we trying to do?
Speaker 3: Do we know what we want to do? X, Y
Speaker 3: and Z.
Speaker 1: Last question for the night. Jonathan Kaminga obviously had a
Speaker 1: very good game, at least in the second half. Do
Speaker 1: you think he should be an automatic starter going forward
Speaker 1: or at least, you know, in the short term, or
Speaker 1: do you think it should be a sort.
Speaker 3: Of a matchup to matchup night tonight decision?
Speaker 2: So, actually, I want you before I give my take care,
Speaker 2: I want you to give your take on the like
Speaker 2: the politically like smart way to go. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 2: you made a good point when you were texting me
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, when they and when the you know, the
Speaker 1: report today was that he was going to start My
Speaker 1: immediate reaction was that, I think politically for the Warriors
Speaker 1: and for Steve Kerr, it's very it's the right move
Speaker 1: to start him right away and like for at least
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, because either you know, hopefully it
Speaker 1: goes hopefully for that and it goes like it went
Speaker 1: tonight and he looks not like a superstar maybe, but
Speaker 1: like he can certainly be productive and good in a
Speaker 1: lineup with Jimmy, Dre and Stepp, which was sort of
Speaker 1: the big question.
Speaker 3: And you're hoping that can continue.
Speaker 1: And if it and so if it does great, you
Speaker 1: either you feel like you maybe have something you can
Speaker 1: keep him, or his trade value is boosted and you
Speaker 1: can go get something more than you've been offered to
Speaker 1: this point. And then if it goes poorly, you can say, hey,
Speaker 1: we we we held up our end of the bargain.
Speaker 1: We started the guy for two weeks. He gave him
Speaker 1: twenty games or whatever as a starter.
Speaker 2: What do he want us to do?
Speaker 1: He doesn't look good like And you know, I think
Speaker 1: there's two sides of that point. But I think politically
Speaker 1: and just from like a game theory perspective, for the Warriors,
Speaker 1: it makes sense to give him a decent leash to
Speaker 1: start the season, just to sort of because you're clearly
Speaker 1: good enough, Like even what even if he had he
Speaker 1: had a bad game, they're still gonna win tonight. You're
Speaker 1: clearly good enough to like stay afloat even if he's
Speaker 1: not awesome. And so I would just keep starting.
Speaker 3: Him at least for them for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: I have one hundred percent agree with you. It's like
Speaker 2: it's like couples counseling for them in the sense it's
Speaker 2: like they're one last hurrah. Like it's like this is
Speaker 2: the last thing we're gonna try. Like, here's the deal
Speaker 2: Dead series team championship caliber roster. We're putting you in
Speaker 2: with the starters. Show us what you got. And I
Speaker 2: think I think Steve's gonna give him a little runway
Speaker 2: here and like and if he if he continues to
Speaker 2: play like he did in the second half tonight, like
Speaker 2: it just ends all of the discussions surrounding some of
Speaker 2: these other issues, Like they deployed him on the ball tonight,
Speaker 2: and he struggled with Luca, but like Lucas Luca and
Speaker 2: like and Lucas specifically has some success against upright wings
Speaker 2: because he's just so much stronger than them, But like
Speaker 2: they focus him in an on ball roll defensively, and
Speaker 2: then like he actually does provide some of the firepower
Speaker 2: they need, the ability to attack a mismatch here and there,
Speaker 2: the ability to knock down a catch and shoot shot,
Speaker 2: to fly up the floor, and transition. I thought the
Speaker 2: most encouraging part of the second half attack there was
Speaker 2: them kind of using him in three man action effectively,
Speaker 2: like basically saying like we could we don't need you
Speaker 2: to be a satellite guy. We can use you as
Speaker 2: part of the weapon with which we unleath unleash the
Speaker 2: Steph Curry attack like it just as far as like
Speaker 2: going matchup to matchup, I think that's almost the worst
Speaker 2: thing you could do, because that could toy with his
Speaker 2: rhythm and toy with his confidence a little bit. I
Speaker 2: would just ride him out as the starter for a
Speaker 2: little while here and just see what he's got. And
Speaker 2: like again, like if we're seven eight games into this
Speaker 2: and they're you know, five and three or or four
Speaker 2: and four, and Jonathan's been more bad than good, like
Speaker 2: then then it's like you tried counseling and it didn't work,
Speaker 2: and that means it's time to break up. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: it's the last it's the last hurrah. Here, it's the
Speaker 2: last try. And like Steve Kerr is basically saying, like, dude,
Speaker 2: we're putting the ball one hundred percent in your court. Here,
Speaker 2: show us what you can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I thought he definitely had some moments that
Speaker 1: looked like the last couple of seasons, and he definitely
Speaker 1: had some moments where I was like, oh, he would
Speaker 1: not have done that before. He had multiple attacks where
Speaker 1: normally he's once he gets in the paint, that ball's
Speaker 1: he's going on. Yeah, and he's he's a good pretty
Speaker 1: good finishing.
Speaker 3: He's pretty athletic, So like, I get one.
Speaker 1: But he had he threw it a fast break valube
Speaker 1: to to Jimmy Butler in the first half. In the
Speaker 1: second half, he had a downhill drive that the big
Speaker 1: I forget which big it was, came over and helped
Speaker 1: late and he actually dumped it off to aut for
Speaker 1: Ford in a pretty like kind of funky manner. It
Speaker 1: was kind of not the easiest dump off past. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, that's definitely an attempt at a
Speaker 1: poster last season and you're and if you're a Warriors fan,
Speaker 1: if you were thinking bets negatively like I might have been,
Speaker 1: you might have thought Jonathan Coming is trying to get
Speaker 1: his this year, He's gonna go for that post. And
Speaker 1: I was like, he played pretty soundly within the system
Speaker 1: all most of the night.
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, and he overcame some of his mistakes,
Speaker 2: like like he did try to like cock back a
Speaker 2: tip dunk for no reason and smoking up.
Speaker 3: A crystal moment as the Lakers are making a run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like he had. He had a couple of
Speaker 2: those moments, but like he just overcame them, and like
Speaker 2: he was, I thought he was instrumental in that early
Speaker 2: third quarter run when they put the game away. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: it's all we have for Night one. As always, as
Speaker 2: sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show.
Speaker 2: We are gonna be back tomorrow night live on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna rewatch these games tomorrow morning. I'll maybe bring
Speaker 2: some thoughts to the game, uh or to the show
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. But we got a jam pack slate tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I think we're closing with San Antonio versus Dallas. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun. One Wenby versus a d and that
Speaker 2: massive front line in Dallas, So lots of interesting basketball
Speaker 2: to get into tomorrow and then we're live again after
Speaker 2: Denver Golden State on Thursday night, three straight lives start
Speaker 2: the season again. As always a sincerely appreciate you guys
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