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Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live

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Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is inside the Parker. You give

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Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop

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Speaker 1: on major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: voter number seven, Rob Parker.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome into the podcast. I'm your host, Rob Parker.

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Speaker 2: What a show we have for you today.

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Speaker 3: Former Major league catcher Alex Avila, who is also on

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Speaker 3: MLB Network now, he joined us to talk about the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Also Jared Carrobas, the host of Baseball Is Dead and

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Speaker 3: name redacted MLB podcast on Draft Kings.

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Speaker 2: So we'll do that and much more.

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Speaker 4: Let's go better up to lead off, it's getting robbed

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Speaker 4: and keep them on.

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Speaker 1: Rob's hot take on the three biggest stories in Major

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Speaker 3: I am not surprised at all that the Astros are

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Speaker 3: back into the series against the Rangers. I'm really not.

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Speaker 3: This is a team that's won a couple of World Series.

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Speaker 3: They got players who have been through big games and

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Speaker 3: pressure situations. They could not afford to fall behind three

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Speaker 2: And the other thing, too, is the law of averages.

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Speaker 3: If you've been following my podcast, you know I've been

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Speaker 3: with the Arrangers all year long, So this is not

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Speaker 3: like some Johnny come Lately jumping on the bandwagon. I

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Speaker 3: they didn't do it, but they still made the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: They won their first seven playoff game six on the road,

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Speaker 3: Like who does that? Nobody? So I knew that they

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Speaker 2: In the first stinning.

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Speaker 3: And that's basically what all it wrote. So I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 3: I'm not panicking. I know some Ranger fans are like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, oh the Astra's gonna come. Well, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna win a couple of games. You're not gonna win

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Speaker 3: every game and sweep all the way through the World Series.

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Speaker 3: And my old radio partner Mark Wilson used to always say,

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Speaker 3: you never like how you lose, and he's right, it

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Speaker 3: could be one nothing you don't like it, or it

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Speaker 3: wouldn't like it. You just don't like it, But it

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that anything's changed. So I still like the Rangers.

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Speaker 3: They can win Game four, which will be on Friday,

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Speaker 3: thing we have left is whether or not we're gonna

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Speaker 3: get a series at all from Arizona. This is Arizona

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Speaker 3: which lost the first two games in Philadelphia, got slaughtered

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Speaker 3: in Game two. Will they bounce back on Thursday in

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Speaker 2: They need to win desperately.

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Speaker 3: They can't fall behind three to zero, So will they

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Speaker 3: come out and fight? That team has been amazing with

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Speaker 3: I hope that both of these are a really good

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Speaker 3: like an NBA postseason, to be honest. So here we

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Speaker 3: go Game three Thursday night Arizona hosting the Phillies, and

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Speaker 4: Here comes the big interview. Listen and learn.

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Speaker 5: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, let's welcome into the podcast Alex Avia,

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Speaker 3: of course, the former major league catcher who is now

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Speaker 3: a analyst on MLB Network. Alex, what's happening my man?

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Speaker 5: How are you doing? Great? Rob? How you been? Man?

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Speaker 3: Man doing wonderful? You know, October baseball doesn't get any

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Speaker 3: better than that. But I want to say that. Alex,

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Speaker 2: But man, the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Let's start here, Alex, with the American League and the

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Speaker 3: After the Rangers have been seven and zero in the postseason,

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the Astros, you know, with

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Speaker 5: You know, the wildcard of that game.

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Speaker 6: Was obviously, you know what the Rangers were gonna get

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Speaker 6: You know, he hadn't pitched in over a month.

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Speaker 5: But as good as the Astros are.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people, including myself, fully expected

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Speaker 6: They played well all year at Globe Life, and you know,

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Speaker 6: So it's two really really good baseball teams going at it.

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Speaker 2: You know what everybody talks about. I've been with the

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Speaker 3: I picked them to win Alex the Division before the

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Speaker 2: So I liked a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: That's why they're where they are, isn't it no doubt.

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Speaker 6: I Mean, their offense is done enough to win games,

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Speaker 6: And you know, the whole time going into these playoffs, you.

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Speaker 6: And then obviously the biggest question was the bullpen, which

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Speaker 5: Like, look, these guys have been.

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Speaker 6: People have been talking about how they've they've struggled as

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Speaker 5: Was something to prove.

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Speaker 6: And sometimes you get guys that step up that you

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Speaker 5: That hey, I got it.

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Speaker 6: That, Oh no, no doubt that those types of innings

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Speaker 3: Absolutely guess as Alice Avila, the former major league catcher

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Speaker 3: MLB Network does a great job and was an All

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Speaker 3: Star in twenty eleven. Let's also look at the other

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Speaker 3: series and Alex, I love baseball, go.

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Speaker 2: To I don't know, seventy games a year.

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Speaker 3: I'm always at the park, but I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 2: Stand up for nine innings and how loud it is.

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Speaker 3: I know people just look at Philadelphia as a football town,

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely well. I mean you hit it on the

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Speaker 6: When I watch those games, like it gives me goosebumps

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Speaker 3: No doubt. His name is Alice Avila. Check him out

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Speaker 3: on MLB Network. What is analysis? Great stuff, Alex. I

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Speaker 2: First of all, I love the Baseball is Dead name

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Speaker 7: So I would be very resistant to all the people

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Speaker 8: That to me is surprising.

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Speaker 7: And if there were any team that was gonna make

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Speaker 7: that be an obsolete statistic, it was gonna be this

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Speaker 7: Houston Astros team on the run that they've been on

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Speaker 7: the last seven years being in the League Championship Series.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I think it last night had the

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Speaker 7: potential certainly to be that feel good story of you know,

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Speaker 7: the Astros have been there for seven straight years, but

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Speaker 7: pitched since September twelfth. Here he comes to make it

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Speaker 7: three to zero, and it just didn't work out that way.

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Speaker 7: But it, like, like you said, it's the least surprising

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, I was on an MLB network

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Speaker 3: with Brian Kennedy the other day and we debated, and

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious where you are on this, and I

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Speaker 3: just said, if I'm looking at managers, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: take Bruce Bochie over Joe Tory. And he went ballistical

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Speaker 3: on me, because of course Joe Tory won five championships,

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Speaker 3: right yeah, And I said, it's not that Joe did

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Speaker 3: anything wrong. I said, but when you're Bruce Bochie and

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Speaker 3: you went, I said, if he goes to the World Series,

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Speaker 3: he has to get there. But I said, I always

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Speaker 3: look at coaches and managers like this. He went to

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Speaker 3: the World Series with the Padres. He won the three

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Speaker 3: in San Francisco, and note would be his third organization

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Speaker 3: where he's going to a World Series if he gets there,

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Speaker 3: and you got to start to give that guy some

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Speaker 3: credit when you do it in different places. Tory didn't have,

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Speaker 3: you know, he went to the playoffs with the Braves.

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Speaker 3: You know, he managed the Mets, you know, but he

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Speaker 3: really when he got to the Yankees, and you still

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Speaker 3: have to manage him. And I give him credit, but

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Speaker 3: I always look at it the same way like Bill Parcells.

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Speaker 2: Bill Parcells he won the two Super Bowls with the Giants.

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Speaker 2: But if you really look at his career, some of

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Speaker 2: the other jobs he did. He took the Patriots to

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. The Jets were one in fifteen.

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Speaker 3: He took them to the AFC Championship Game like two

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Speaker 3: years later, and he won in Dallas. And when I

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Speaker 3: look at coaches and managers, that's what I look at.

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Speaker 2: Can you win in more than one place? Is that

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Speaker 2: a fair argument?

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Speaker 7: I think If there's a secondary argument to that, it's

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Speaker 7: that Bochie did more with less.

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Speaker 8: Like some of those Giants teams were wild card teams.

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Speaker 7: They were Yeah, you look at like those Yankee teams

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Speaker 7: of the nineties, those were plug and play that you

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Speaker 7: talk about that they could have won seven.

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Speaker 3: World Series to be honest, right right, a couple of

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Speaker 3: pitches here and there, they could have won seven exactly.

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Speaker 8: Like that was a that was a plug and play

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Speaker 7: I mean, they had outside of the what two thousand

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Speaker 7: and one Seattle Mariners if you include the postseason, that

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Speaker 7: they have like the winningest team in baseball history during

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Speaker 7: that run. So, I mean it's not to say that

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Speaker 7: you know Joe Torret, I mean, Joe Torrey is one

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Speaker 7: of the greats of all time. But if you look

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Speaker 7: at Bruce Bochie's body of work, to be able to

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Speaker 7: do it in multiple organizations and to be able to

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Speaker 7: do it like the even year thing where it's ten, twelve,

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Speaker 7: fourteen doing it.

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Speaker 8: They don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 7: You have some some big talent there, like the Tim

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Speaker 7: Linscomb's of the World mad bum, the postseason run that

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Speaker 7: he had, But you're not You're not looking around being like, wow,

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Speaker 7: we are littered with Hall of famers like that. That

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Speaker 7: was not a thing in San Francisco. A lot of

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Speaker 7: good talent for the time, but we're not talking about

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Speaker 7: like all time talent.

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Speaker 2: So give me this.

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Speaker 3: Our guests Jared Carrobas He is the host of Baseball

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Speaker 3: Is Dead and the Name redacted MLB podcast for DraftKings,

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Speaker 3: and uh the with the team. We haven't talked to

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Speaker 3: the Arizona Diamondbacks, which I didn't. I remember they scuffled

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Speaker 3: to get into the playoffs and then they the thing

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Speaker 3: that they had was comeback ability.

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Speaker 2: They lost. I remember the first two games in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: when he swept the brew was down three nothing, down

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Speaker 2: to nothing, won both of those games, swept that series.

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Speaker 2: They have that.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Phillies look like they're just too hard

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Speaker 3: to be able to overcome. But what about the run

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Speaker 3: up the Diamondbacks and going forward because they have some

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Speaker 3: good young players on that team.

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Speaker 8: They do.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean like Zach Gallen, Merril Kelly at the

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Speaker 7: top of the rotation there, even like a kid like

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Speaker 7: Brandon Fott who's going in Game three. He didn't have

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Speaker 7: a tremendous season, but he's going to be one of

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Speaker 7: those young pieces moving forward that is excited that you

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Speaker 7: should be excited about.

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Speaker 8: Gorbyn Carroll.

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Speaker 7: Every so often we see a Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 7: race where it's like, don't contain this guy to just

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Speaker 7: the Rookie of the Year award, Like he should be

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Speaker 7: in the MVP conversation, and I think he will be.

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Speaker 8: Do I think that he'll win it? No, But like

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Speaker 8: the fact that he'll get MVP votes is pretty.

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Speaker 7: Crazy for a kid his age, with his experience in

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Speaker 7: the big leagues. But when talking about the d Backs

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Speaker 7: in this series against Philadelphia, I think that some d

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Speaker 7: Backs fans were demanding respect when it's like, oh, man,

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Speaker 7: like give us the credit that we got there.

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Speaker 2: It's like yeah, But at the end of the.

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Speaker 7: Day, this final four, these final four teams. It's the

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Speaker 7: fewest wins ever in an MLB postseason for a Final four,

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Speaker 7: and I kind of look at this d Backs team

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Speaker 7: is you know, I'm glad that the fans got that

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Speaker 7: exciting comeback against Milwaukee and the I think they exposed

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Speaker 7: the Dodgers as Hey, we won one hundred and one games,

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Speaker 7: but we've got a larger problem here in terms of

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Speaker 7: roster construction and how we should be prepared for the postseason.

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Speaker 7: Pardon me as a fan wishes that the Phillies had

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Speaker 7: a more exciting opponent, like they're just gonna roll to

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Speaker 7: the World Series.

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Like we

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Speaker 3: we kind of got cheated, cheated, Like.

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Speaker 8: Have you been have you been entertained? Really this post?

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Speaker 7: Like, I think it's been fun to watch the Phillies,

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Speaker 7: but it's almost like when they're not like now now

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Speaker 7: they're gonna go back to Arizona. The fun part about

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Speaker 7: watching the Phillies is watching them play in Philly. You know,

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Speaker 7: like now we're going to Arizona. It's like, all right,

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Speaker 7: get it over with, Like, just win the next two

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Speaker 7: and we'll see in the World Series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's what it kind of feels like

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Speaker 2: last thing. Uh.

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Speaker 3: So you have Phillies and in the al or Astros

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Speaker 3: come back.

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Speaker 2: You said you've been rolling with the Rangers. I have

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Speaker 2: I have Rangers.

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Speaker 3: I have Rangers and Braves when the playoffs started in

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Speaker 3: the World Series. So I'm gonna go with the Rangers,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna go with them to pull the incredible upset.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I have Rangers and six in the ALCS, I

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Speaker 7: think I went Phillies in five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So I think what we're gonna see, I'll if it

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Speaker 7: ends up being that matchup, I'll go Phillies and six

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Speaker 7: over the Rangers.

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Speaker 2: There you go, man, I appreciate it. This was fun.

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Speaker 2: Jared Uh.

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Speaker 3: Your shows the names the host of Baseball is Dead

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Speaker 3: and name redacted MLB podcasts for DraftKings and check them out,

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Speaker 3: Jared Uh Jered Carrobbas make sure you check them out

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Speaker 3: and check in on both of his podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Thanks my man for joining us. I appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 8: I really appreciate you having me. We'll do this again

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Speaker 8: real soon.

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Speaker 3: In the words of New York TV legend the late

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Speaker 3: Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time this time until

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Speaker 3: next time.

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Speaker 2: Rob Parker out d Cad Davin.

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Speaker 8: This could be an inside the Parker.

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Speaker 1: See you next week, same bat time from same Matt

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