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Speaker 1: It's a very sad day.

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Speaker 2: This is a dark day in America.

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Speaker 1: We have a reached court case.

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Speaker 2: That should have never been brought and it should have

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Speaker 2: been brought in another jurisdiction.

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Speaker 3: As you know, we.

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Speaker 1: Asked for that, and the judge never allows us anything.

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Speaker 2: And just to end, we had an election expert was

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Speaker 4: And we had a lot of other people.

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Speaker 2: I could give you a list of forty people that

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Speaker 2: would say the exact same.

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Speaker 1: Thing as these people said. So thank you very much. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: This is a very dangerous day for America.

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Speaker 4: It's a very sad day.

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Speaker 5: Thank you one.

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Speaker 1: He is saying there at the end, that's obviously President

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Speaker 1: or Trump. What are you saying? Is important for everyone

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Speaker 1: to hear over and over again. It is a dangerous

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Speaker 1: day in America. This is you know, usually Clay, when

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Speaker 1: someone says this is about more than me, they actually

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Speaker 1: just want to focus more attention on themselves. This is

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Speaker 1: about more than Trump. Actually, you cannot have a free

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Speaker 1: country with free elections where one side will bring obviously

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Speaker 1: trumped up and absurd political prosecutions against people and use

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Speaker 1: the justice system to do it. That effectively can end

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Speaker 1: the process of elections as we've come to know it.

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Speaker 1: So it is really important. It is more than Trump.

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Speaker 1: But I think he also makes another critical point here.

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Speaker 1: This is him speaking this morning before he went into

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Speaker 1: the trial, and that is not only do they delay this,

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Speaker 1: not only is the whole charge preposterous, not only is

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Speaker 1: view of the crime, Clay the judge has even tried

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Speaker 1: clear and obvious ways. And we still now wonder whether

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Speaker 1: a couple, you know, hung jury one, it could be

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Speaker 1: all of this. But the whole thing has been truly rigged,

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Speaker 4: And again I think it's so important to strip away

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Speaker 4: everything that you believe about Trump, everything that you believe

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Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg. We all have strong opinions there. If these

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Speaker 4: twelve jurors just focus on what will eventually be they're

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Speaker 4: trying to finish the closing arguments today, what will eventually

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Speaker 4: be the jury instructions that they get, which will be

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Speaker 4: a story in and of itself, because I'm intrigued to

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Speaker 4: see exactly what the jury instructions look like. But there

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Speaker 4: is no way possible that you could say beyond a

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Speaker 4: reasonable doubt that there has been a crime committed here.

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Speaker 4: I think on two levels. I think there is an

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Speaker 4: argument that Trump was not involved in these business transactions

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Speaker 4: which by the way, is a misdemeanor. But I think

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent certainty there is no proving of any

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Speaker 4: kind of intent on his part, which would be part

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Speaker 4: I think there's a strong and I've hammered this for

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Speaker 4: a while, every man out there, I really do believe

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Speaker 4: that Trump was worried about Milania hearing these accusations, whether

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Speaker 4: We know that he bought off one allegation about him

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Speaker 4: having a child out of marriage, which was one hundred

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Speaker 1: So here, here's a perfect example of why this whole

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Speaker 1: something like that. But there's something called the irrespective test

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Speaker 1: Taxes Commission regulations provide a test called the irrespective test

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Speaker 1: to differentiate legitimate versus campaign expenses. Personal use is any

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Speaker 1: So you're not allowed to just be like, I have

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Speaker 1: clearly a thing that you would have done I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: personal use, pardon me, Clearly a thing you would have

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Speaker 1: absolutely would prosecute it. John Edwards, right, they absolutely would

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Speaker 4: this a hush money trial. We tried to avoid using

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Speaker 1: Is not a crime. It's a business rerecord.

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Speaker 4: It for a long time, this is.

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Speaker 1: A business records trial, which I've been saying all along.

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Speaker 1: John Edwards was done at that point. He was humiliated,

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Speaker 1: what they have done to Donald Trump. You want to

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Speaker 6: The Twin Towers fell just over here, just over there,

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Speaker 6: This part of the city was like a ghost town.

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Speaker 5: I love this city.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to destroy it. Donald Trump wants to

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Speaker 6: he could destroy the world. But we vowed we would

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Speaker 6: not allow terrorists.

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Speaker 1: They're yelling fjb for in case anyone doesn't couldn't hear

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Speaker 4: I just cannot imagine that you would think, Hey, the

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just.

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Speaker 4: Such a weird thing to do. De Niro has totally

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Speaker 4: I mean Robert de Niro made a career playing gangsters

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Speaker 5: Well, that was the.

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Speaker 4: General perspective when the whole era that we grew up. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Like, we see who these people are now in a

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Speaker 4: I think that social media has made this whole idea

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Speaker 4: should be I've seen it with athletics to such a

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Speaker 3: From the front lines of truth, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna do it because if they do it,

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Speaker 1: they're ensuring Donald Trump is going to win. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. Let's think about this. You're you're prosecuting

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Speaker 1: this guy, you got the cases going against him, and

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Speaker 1: your guy can't even make it across the finish line

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Speaker 1: to try to run again while he's the president. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the optics of this are terrible. So that's just for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh but I was gonna say though, and this will

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Speaker 1: get people fired up ready for this win. Clay, you

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Speaker 1: know who the likeliest person is if you're talking, if

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Speaker 1: you're talking about the parachute situation, and I think you

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Speaker 1: get one hundred to one odds on this one, or

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Speaker 1: one to one hundred odds whatever. I think you get

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Speaker 1: one to one hundred odds on this one. Like it's

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Speaker 1: a one percent chance that this could happen, meaning that

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Speaker 1: anyone is replacing Biden and Kama Kama replacing Biden. I've

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Speaker 1: always said that could happen.

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Speaker 4: I to one on this one for a one, Okay, James,

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Speaker 4: you get paid off at one hundred to one.

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Speaker 1: Yea one hundred to one. I think you get a hundred.

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Speaker 1: You would have one hundred and one odds on this one.

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Speaker 1: You know who? I think the person would be Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: I think it's likelier to be Hillary Clinton than it

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Speaker 1: is to be Michelle Obama. I think it's likely to

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Speaker 1: be Hillary Clinton than anybody else on the Democrat side

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Speaker 1: of things. She would say, uh, you know, I'm here

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Speaker 1: to finish the job for Joe. We've known each other forever.

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Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen was a fluke. And and you know, the

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Speaker 1: if she'd mentioned some stuff about Russia and I'm here

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Speaker 1: to I don't I would only serve one term or something.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm old sacred democracy, YadA, YadA. Look, I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is going to happen either. But I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, if you're talking total collapse of the Biden ticket,

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Speaker 1: and they did I them Hillary Clinton, they still they

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Speaker 1: still think that they're ready for her or whatever the

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Speaker 1: slogan was, like they now, I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: just to be clear, I think none of this is

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Speaker 1: going to happen. But to me, that's a far likelier

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Speaker 1: situation than when people start talking about Gretchen Whitmer, like

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Speaker 1: no one knows how Gretchen Widmer polls and any of

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Speaker 1: these like this whole thing is crazy. Gavin Newsom, Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom's a snake.

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Speaker 4: I actually think if they were so pretend that if

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Speaker 4: Michelle Obama said no, because I think that's how you

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Speaker 4: get over the black woman angle, which is why I've

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Speaker 4: been arguing they draft her, they bring her in at

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Speaker 4: the last minute. What I would say is Gretchen Whitmer

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Speaker 4: or Josh Shapiro in the battleground states the only route

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Speaker 4: right now if you look at the polling, and if

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Speaker 4: I understand people out there saying I don't trust the

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Speaker 4: poll okay in it, but walls.

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Speaker 1: Right a lot recently, so just to refair, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then when they're all telling the same story, yes,

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Speaker 4: could there be an exaggeration? Could Trump only be up

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Speaker 4: you know, in in in in in Georgia. Could he

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Speaker 4: only be up three or four instead of seven or eight. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 4: I can see that, but remember when he's outside the

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Speaker 4: margin of error in many of these states. Right now,

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Speaker 4: it looks like you have to win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

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Speaker 4: If I were just sketching for the Democrats, the best

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Speaker 4: scenario for them, I think it would be Shapiro Whitmer.

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Speaker 4: If Michelle Obama says no, Gavin Newsom I don't buy

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Speaker 4: into Kamala Harris would get beat worse if you took

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Speaker 4: two popular governors in the Midwest. Shapiro has got a

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Speaker 4: very high approval rating right now. I can't believe it,

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Speaker 4: but Michiganers have given Gretchen Whitm decent, decent support. If

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Speaker 4: you look at the data, Whitmer seven or eight points

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Speaker 4: ahead of Biden in the state of Michigan. If you

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Speaker 4: could win those two and then you find a way

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Speaker 4: to get Wisconsin, you're gonna win the presidents.

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Speaker 1: But you have no way of making Gretchen Witmer and

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Speaker 1: Joshuapiro the top of the presidential ticket unless you're going

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Speaker 1: to somehow.

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Speaker 4: Have well, you would free up you would free up

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Speaker 4: all the delegates, right, That's what would have to happen.

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Speaker 4: Biden would say, I'm not running. I don't have the

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Speaker 4: physical capacity. I am not I mean Lyndon Johnson sixty eight.

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Speaker 4: He would do it after I think it would have

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Speaker 4: to be a disastrous performance. On June twenty seventh, he

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Speaker 4: would say, the state of the nation's too high. I

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Speaker 4: don't have the ability to do this, and we're going

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Speaker 4: to have an open, contested convention, and Democrats are going

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Speaker 4: to pick the best candidate to beat Trump.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's Gavin Newsom. I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris. I don't think it's JB.

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Speaker 1: Pritzker.

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Speaker 4: If I'm looking at this strategically and Michelle Obama says no,

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Speaker 4: because I think she's by far the best option, then

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Speaker 4: the next best option is Shapiro in Pennsylvania and Whitmer,

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Speaker 4: some combination of a Midwest ticket that would win those

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Speaker 4: two states.

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Speaker 1: It's but it's gonna be Biden. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: else to say. It's just it's I've told you this

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Speaker 1: all all you.

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Speaker 5: Have to see.

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Speaker 4: On June twenty seven, what if Biden fell walking on

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Speaker 4: to the stage, Do you think there's nothing?

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Speaker 1: Then Eleve Kamala Harris, the the issue of a floor fight,

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Speaker 1: and and the different factions. You gotta remember there's all

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Speaker 1: these people who are pure egomaniacs who are in politics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you really think you really think, like,

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Speaker 1: what's her name, the fake Native American Elizabeth Warren. You

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Speaker 1: think that she's gonna just say, okay, like what's best

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Speaker 1: for the party. I'm just gonna stand aside. No, she's

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Speaker 1: gonna start pounding the table.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna hold Wall Street a.

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Speaker 4: You know, she can do all the stuff that she

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Speaker 4: I agree, it would be riveting television, but I think

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Speaker 4: that's what they're gambling on.

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Speaker 5: So but think about what.

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Speaker 1: You throw the party in a disarray, you throw it

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Speaker 1: into a royal rumble situation. While and this is the

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Speaker 1: key thing, while you have an incumbent president, right, You're

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Speaker 1: you're bringing this all on yourself as a party. I

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Speaker 1: think the power of the incumbency is being underestimated here

553
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Speaker 1: because as things get closer and Democrats are piling in

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Speaker 1: more and more money and more and more dollars, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll see how people are feeling. I think

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Speaker 1: the economy, because of inflation, they can't hide what's really

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Speaker 1: going on the way that they would like to, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's likely to change. But I think

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Speaker 1: that there's a I think we're underestimating the machine here

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Speaker 1: a little bit, just because things look great in May

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Speaker 1: and things can change really fast. The Democrats what that's why, Buck?

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Speaker 4: I think the fact that the Politico piece says they've

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Speaker 4: spent twenty five million dollars in the battleground states, that's

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Speaker 4: a lot of money to spend, and the numbers have

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Speaker 4: gone down. I just think that what Democrats are recognizing

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Speaker 4: is a lot of people have made up their mind

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Speaker 4: and they know Trump and they know Biden, and nothing

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Speaker 4: is moving the numbers. And at some point you have

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Speaker 4: to change the calculus that exist right now. And the

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Speaker 4: fact that they would write that political piece, which is

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Speaker 4: typically a left leaning site, that they would write that

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Speaker 4: The timing on it's super interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I think we agree that if they if they convict

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Speaker 1: Trump in New York. I think it politically helps them

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Speaker 1: if they nationally speaking, Yeah, what if they actually put

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Speaker 4: Oh, we need to talk about it, because there's a

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Speaker 1: They they sure are. Everybody, we haven't really discussed this.

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Speaker 1: We haven't put that scenario out there a lot. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about it. But what if that's the move. They

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Speaker 1: I think he could theoretically serve one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: a Libertarian Party convention. Somebody, somebody offered me something, and

652
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Speaker 1: I would say, so one of these guys, one of

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Speaker 1: these guys just like tripping on shrooves or something. I mean,

654
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Speaker 1: if you know, why not look libertarian. It's you gotta

655
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Speaker 1: go through a libertarian face, probably in college. Okay, it's

656
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: a good time to go through it. We were like,

657
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Speaker 1: why can't we all just like do whatever we want, man,

658
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Speaker 1: and like the government like not exists.

659
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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: It sounds great. Sounds great, but unfortunately the world's a

661
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Speaker 1: little more complicated than that. And I know that's a

662
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Speaker 1: little a little reductive and a little dismissive. But you know,

663
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Speaker 1: when libertarians lost me, I don't remember. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: libertarians going to the to the mat over COVID stuff

665
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Speaker 1: at all at all. They a lot of them were

666
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Speaker 1: really like, oh, the science. They were like, all right,

667
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Speaker 1: I'm a smart person who likes the science too, so

668
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Speaker 1: they all any libertarian who wasn't this is tyranny. This

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Speaker 1: COVID stuff is insane. I don't want to hear anything

670
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Speaker 1: that because because they failed the ultimate stress test. But

671
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Speaker 1: just put that aside for a second. Trump, Uh, Trump

672
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Speaker 1: was there, and I just want you to hear this exchange, Clay,

673
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Speaker 1: this is great. They started to boo. Trump went to

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Speaker 1: the Libertarian Party can which I'm sure is a great

675
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Speaker 1: place to find some really kind bud if you catch

676
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: my drift, probably some really excellent marijuana cigarettes. But here

677
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump talking libertarian folks in attendance, and they

678
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: got a little salty, little saucy with them. Play nine.

679
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Speaker 2: First time in US history that a presidential candidate of

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Speaker 2: a rival party will address the convention of a party

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Speaker 2: that is presumably gathering to nominate its own candidate. Now,

682
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Speaker 2: I think you should nominate me, or at least vote

683
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Speaker 2: for me, and we.

684
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Speaker 1: Should win together. You heard those words nominate.

685
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Speaker 2: Me or vote vote for me, because the Libertarians want to.

686
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Speaker 1: Vote for me, and most of them will.

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Speaker 2: That is why I'm committing to you tonight that I

688
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Speaker 2: will put a libertarian in my cap and also libertarians

689
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Speaker 2: and senior posts.

690
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Speaker 1: Pretty good, that's pretty big.

691
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Speaker 2: Oh, you can't keep going the way you have for

692
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Speaker 2: the last long decades and get you three percent and

693
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Speaker 2: meet again, get another three percent. Now you want to

694
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Speaker 2: make yourself winners. It's time to be winners. You have

695
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Speaker 2: a lot of common sense. It's time to be a winner.

696
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Time to be winners.

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Speaker 1: Stop being losers. Join Trump. I'll make some libertarians senior

698
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Speaker 1: people my administration. This is what other politician, which other

699
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Speaker 1: politician in the country, could go into a room like that,

700
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Speaker 1: get get booed resoundingly and then turn about half of

701
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Speaker 1: it to applause and make the people booing look like

702
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: the imbeciles. The guy who is their nominee was my understanding,

703
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: a big masking guy. So the idea to your point

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Speaker 1: buck of so many libertarians being absent at the most

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Speaker 1: important moment of governmental overreach in any of our lives,

706
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Speaker 1: that they just abandoned the field and said, you know what, Yeah,

707
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Speaker 1: you're right. You shouldn't be able to go to church,

708
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be able to go to school, stand six.

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Speaker 4: Feet away from someone put on a mask. They demanded governance,

710
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Speaker 4: and their entire philosophy is supposed to be, hey, let

711
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Speaker 4: individuals make their own decisions. They didn't stand by their

712
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Speaker 4: principles at the time of COVID, when we most desperately

713
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Speaker 4: needed people to be willing to stand on principle. They were,

714
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Speaker 4: to a large extent absent.

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Speaker 1: Libertarians were completely completely mia during the COVID battle. That's

716
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Speaker 1: just that's my impression of it. But I found a

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Speaker 1: lot of I found you. I found you, mister sportsman

718
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Speaker 1: over here. I didn't know what the sec was. I

719
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Speaker 1: found you because you were like masking as stupid, open

720
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Speaker 1: up the you know, the sporting events should happen again.

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Speaker 1: And I found a lot of other people, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Carol Markowa, it's in Jordan shack Tel and you know,

723
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Speaker 1: I go down the list. Jesse Kelly and I were

724
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Speaker 1: sitting around talking all the time about how crazy all

725
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Speaker 1: the mask stuff was, and libertarians were Mia man m

726
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Speaker 1: i A. They were, they totally. It was their moment

727
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Speaker 1: to finally be worth something beyond legalizing marijuana, which also,

728
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Speaker 1: by the way, terrible. It's actually terrible for the country,

729
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: it's terrible for society. Put that aside, you know, legalizing

730
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Speaker 1: weed really important, and being able to breathe not with

731
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Speaker 1: a mask on not apparently that important. But I think

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Speaker 1: that Trump will get some of the libertarian vote because look,

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Speaker 1: I mean Rand Paul I think philosophically is a libertarian,

734
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Speaker 1: but he governs as a Republican, meaning he realizes the

735
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Speaker 1: world that we're in and has to operate within the

736
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Speaker 1: framework that we have because he's an adult. Some of

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Speaker 1: them don't get mad at me over this.

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Speaker 5: Buck.

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Speaker 4: As you well know, if you are in a battleground

740
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Speaker 4: state and you vote libertarian, you are voting for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you.

742
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Speaker 4: Just if you're listening to to us right now and

743
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Speaker 4: you're in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Virginia, maybe Georgia, Arizona, Nevada,

744
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Speaker 4: maybe even New Mexico, you don't have the luxury in

745
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Speaker 4: my opinion, to go out. I think you're wasting your

746
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Speaker 4: vote in those states. Now people say, oh, you voted

747
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Speaker 4: third party before, and I have, But I live in Tennessee.

748
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Speaker 4: People make mistakes. I live in Tennessee. Republicans are going

749
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Speaker 4: to win Tennessee by twenty points. If you live in

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Speaker 4: a state, if you live in California, or you live

751
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Speaker 4: in New York or whatever it is, maybe New York

752
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Speaker 4: can be a battleground state. Got to change my tune there.

753
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Speaker 4: Live in California, you live in Alabama, and you decide, hey,

754
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Speaker 4: you know what I really care about this libertarian issue.

755
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Speaker 4: Do whatever you want, because we know how the outcome

756
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Speaker 4: of those states is going to be when it comes

757
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Speaker 4: to the presidential election. But I'm sorry if you're listening

758
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: to us in Wisconsin and you show up and you

759
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Speaker 4: vote libertarian and you would otherwise vote Now, if you're

760
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Speaker 4: a big Biden person and you want to show displeasure

761
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Speaker 4: with Biden, I hope you dive right into the Libertarian

762
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Speaker 4: party because that's a vote taken away from Joe Biden.

763
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Speaker 4: But if you're trying to make a decision, you're sitting

764
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: around right now and you're like boy, I don't know

765
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Speaker 4: Trump or the Libertarian candidate than Trumper RFK Junior. I

766
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: think that you are putting the worst president potentially of

767
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Speaker 4: any of our lives into the White House again. And

768
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Speaker 4: to me, that makes you a loser. And I'm sorry

769
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Speaker 4: if that offends people.

770
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Speaker 5: Because they're not a loser.

771
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Speaker 4: Well, in this case, you're helping to ensure that the

772
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Speaker 4: worst president in any of our lives stays in office.

773
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: To me, that makes you a loser. So that's the

774
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Speaker 4: way that I would analyze this as it pertains to Libertarian,

775
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: to any other third party out there. And every time

776
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: I say this, people are widing in my mentions like,

777
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 4: well Trump isn't perfect on I get it. This is

778
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: the real world. Every single candidate it out there is

779
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 4: not going to be your night in shining armor and

780
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: be perfect on everything. Biden's awful on virtually every single issue.

781
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, his brain doesn't work and

782
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: we're in danger of spiraling into World War three. This

783
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 4: is not the time for you to be sitting around

784
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 4: going third party. In my always humble opinion.

785
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Speaker 1: Now, there have been times where we thought a brain

786
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: didn't work, and maybe it was having some trouble, but

787
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: then it made something of a comeback. John Fetterman, Yeah,

788
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Speaker 1: John Fetterman, we caught a transition that was by you, John,

789
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: really well done. Helped procure the release of the American

790
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Speaker 1: husband slash dad who got got arrested in Turks and

791
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Caicos for the couple of rounds of loose ammunition in

792
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Speaker 1: his bag. Coming back, he was literally actually five of

793
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Speaker 1: these guys. Buck realize how many of their work, Five

794
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: different guys caught up in the same charges. And Fetterman,

795
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: my favorite Democrat senator you talk about an upset, decided

796
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: this is wrong and put himself in the mix and

797
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: got this resolved. Tell everybody Range for a bag for

798
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Speaker 1: the Range bags for everything else. Do not have a

799
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Speaker 1: Do not have a one bag that you use, you know,

800
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Speaker 1: one day for the office and one day for the Range.

801
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: It's not worth it. You can get a bag on Amazon.

802
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, you can get a Range bag for now

803
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: thirty or forty bucks. Do not mix. In my opinion,

804
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: and I've seen this, and I've been through this before,

805
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: and this was told me by, like I said, an

806
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Speaker 1: SF guy with decades of experience and had been all

807
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Speaker 1: over the world traveling through airports because you know, in

808
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: the Specops guys they'll sometimes just sort of fly, you know,

809
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily military aircraft and anyway. But Fetterman back to

810
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: the point here, Fetterman helped get him back. It's good work,

811
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: good work by Fetterman. I mean, unless I'm missing something. No,

812
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: he he got involved and used some political pressure and

813
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: brought back in, brought back one of ours, brought back

814
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Speaker 1: in American And he's really good on the Israel stuff.

815
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Speaker 2: I know.

816
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a communist on a million other things.

817
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Speaker 1: And we'll say that when he says the bad things.

818
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Speaker 1: But Fetterman maybe the best Democrat senator in the Senate

819
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Speaker 1: right now. That may be the best Democrat of all

820
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Speaker 1: the senators, because I can't think of anything other Democrat

821
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Speaker 1: senators are doing worth a damn, So just throwing that

822
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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 4: No, there's a big piece on him in the New

824
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Speaker 4: York Times where he basically takes aim at the progressive

825
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Speaker 4: element of the Democrat Party and says that he doesn't

826
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Speaker 4: believe that they're right on a lot of things. I mean,

827
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Speaker 4: he's even said a lot of things that are right

828
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Speaker 4: on the border, I think. And he went to he

829
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Speaker 4: went into rehab. I guess it was technically treatment for

830
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Speaker 4: mental health related issues at Walter reed and he came

831
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Speaker 4: out and I don't know if he felt liberated in

832
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Speaker 4: some way, but he came out as the sanest Democrat senator.

833
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Speaker 4: And he's been right on a lot of things. And

834
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Speaker 4: this is the thing sample.

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Speaker 1: I just I think I underestimated the guy. I'm not

836
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Speaker 1: saying he's amazing on everything or anything like that, but

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Speaker 1: I think, go under it. I'll just admit it. I

838
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Speaker 1: underestimated the guy. He's actually shown shown some ability to

839
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Speaker 1: make the right call on a few things, on a

840
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Speaker 1: few things that matter. So there you go. I think

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Speaker 1: I I think I got that one a little off,

842
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Speaker 1: a little wrong.

843
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Speaker 4: I did too, And this is an example of how

844
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Speaker 4: a senator can use his force to actually tangibly get

845
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Speaker 4: something good. We talked about the fact that Turks and Kkos,

846
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Speaker 4: there are five different individual men from the United States

847
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Speaker 4: who were being held in face twelve years in prison

848
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Speaker 4: over this issue, variety of different states. Fetterman went to

849
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Speaker 4: Turks and Caicos and basically said, this is ridiculous. Let's

850
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Speaker 4: get this solved.

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Speaker 1: This is also why you know men's rea and he

852
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Speaker 1: just goes back to English common law, goes back to

853
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Speaker 1: the constitution and just a fundamentally just society, you know.

854
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Speaker 1: So a total accident is a total accident.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I know.

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Speaker 1: There are some strict liability crimes and things like that,

857
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Speaker 1: the very few of them, and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you didn't mean to do anything

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Speaker 1: wrong and something happened, that should always at least be

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Speaker 1: taken into account. And in most cases, I think it's

861
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Speaker 1: hard to argue that somebody is a unless they're you know,

862
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Speaker 1: there's recklessness. There are things, But if somebody, you know,

863
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Speaker 1: forgetting to take your illegally owned bullets out of your

864
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Speaker 1: bag when you're at the range and you're traveling somewhere else,

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Speaker 1: there is no harm done to anyone, there is no

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Speaker 1: And Alex, I'll just remind everybody it was on this show,

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Speaker 1: I would say now three years and about two months ago,

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Speaker 1: the data on the vaccine shows that they really don't

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Speaker 1: stop you from getting COVID at all. And I will,

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Speaker 1: I will just it was only you know, it was

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Speaker 1: three years and two months. It was like July of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and I remember you were saying it,

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Speaker 1: and we let you say it, and we believed that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you knew what you were talking about. But

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00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: at the time that was a oh my gosh moment

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, no, I mean it it was. And look,

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Speaker 5: as we know, three years later, COVID he's with us,

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Speaker 5: it will be with us forever. The vaccines, you know,

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Speaker 5: did not change that. You know, no one's going to

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Speaker 5: get smallpox, no one's going to get polio, but people

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Speaker 5: aren't going to get COVID. That's that's difference between a

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Speaker 5: real vaccine and what was sold to us in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one. And the fact of the public health and

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Speaker 5: I know this is not really what we're talking about today, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but the fact that the public health authorities and the

931
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Speaker 5: you know, and the and the media on the left

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Speaker 5: won't just admit that. Okay, just admit that and then

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Speaker 5: we can go from there, like, admit that you promised

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Speaker 5: something that didn't happen and maybe you'll get some trust back.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, And they're not doing that at all. In fact,

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Speaker 1: what and just what we wanted to have you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about I just play. I wanted to give

938
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Speaker 1: him the occasional victory lap here because you know, some

939
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Speaker 1: people were right, some people were wrong on this one.

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Speaker 1: Alex was right, big time, bigly, huge correct. You could say,

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Speaker 1: Alex Fauci's top advisor. Fox had a story on this

942
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Speaker 1: just last week, offering apologies and excuses for COVID email revelations.

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Speaker 1: This was up on the House What House Oversight Committee

944
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Speaker 1: hearing and it turns out that some of the top

945
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Speaker 1: fauciites were hiding hiding email correspondence about all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about all this?

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Speaker 5: So this is really an amazing story, and I and

948
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Speaker 5: you know, we're really only I think actually in early

949
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Speaker 5: innings on this believe it or not. So look in

950
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Speaker 5: you know, the beginning of twenty twenty, COVID comes, you know,

951
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Speaker 5: comes out right in China and Wuhan, China. There's this

952
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Speaker 5: new respiratory virus, and almost immediately there's a concerted campaign

953
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Speaker 5: at the top of the US scientific establishment to say

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Speaker 5: this can't have come from a lab. Yes, there was

955
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Speaker 5: a lab in Wuhan called the Wuhan Institute of Virology,

956
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Speaker 5: but No, it did not come from there. If you

957
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Speaker 5: say it came from there, you're racist or any Chinese.

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Speaker 5: You can say that Chinese ran discussing what markets and

959
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Speaker 5: you know, flaughtered animals live and you know, but that's fine,

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Speaker 5: but do not say this came from a lab. It's

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Speaker 5: not the result the lab work. And I mean, and

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Speaker 5: that was not that was not subtle. It was very

963
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Speaker 5: loudly proclaimed. Okay. So what we now know on the

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Speaker 5: sort of scientific side is that it's quite likely that

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Speaker 5: it did come from that lab, okay, as anybody with

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Speaker 5: the brain sort of could have thought, was at least

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Speaker 5: a real possibility at the time, because because as John

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Speaker 5: Stewart famously said in twenty twenty one, if there's a

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Speaker 5: giant chocolate leak in Hersey, in Hershey, Pennsylvania, maybe with

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Speaker 5: the chocolate factory, Okay, maybe all the risky work these

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Speaker 5: guys were doing at this lab had something to do

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Speaker 5: with the emergence of this virus. Okay. So that's part one. Okay,

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Speaker 5: Then part two is it turned And this is what

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Speaker 5: we're coming to now in twenty twenty four, we still

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Speaker 5: don't have evidence out of China. We don't have you know,

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Speaker 5: we're probably never going to get inside that lab or

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Speaker 5: probably never being an independent investigation. But what is coming

978
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Speaker 5: out now is the is the cover up of the

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Speaker 5: cover up, okay, the US led cover up of the

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Speaker 5: Chinese cover up, which is there were people at the

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Speaker 5: very top of NIH and I'm not saying that they

982
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Speaker 5: knew that they were certain that this was a lab leak,

983
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 5: but they were certainly worried about it, and they knew

984
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Speaker 5: they knew that the US had funded research that looked

985
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Speaker 5: very bad in the light of what had happened in China,

986
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Speaker 5: and they went out of their way to discourage these

987
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Speaker 5: you know, anybody, any independent journalists, any you know, scientists

988
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Speaker 5: from investigating this. And then as people started to try

989
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Speaker 5: to get to what was happening inside aniation, and this

990
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Speaker 5: is really what came out last week. These people did

991
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Speaker 5: everything they could to hide their actions. They deleted emails,

992
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Speaker 5: they used their Gmail accounts, they tried to have phone

993
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Speaker 5: conversations instead of you know, instead of anything that they

994
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 5: would have to turn over. And the guy you're talking about,

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Speaker 5: his name David Morens. David Morrin's a very long time

996
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Speaker 5: advisor to fault you more than two decades. And the documents.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's very very rare to see documents this

998
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 5: damning come out where David Morren's actually said, I'm not

999
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Speaker 5: going to use my official email accounts. I want to

1000
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Speaker 5: use Gmail. It's not foilable. And you guys, the people

1001
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Speaker 5: he was emailing with should do the same. And by

1002
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Speaker 5: the way, if I have important documents, and this is

1003
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Speaker 5: the part where we're just beginning to see the next step,

1004
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Speaker 5: if I have important documents to give to Tony, to

1005
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Speaker 5: Anthony Spaucci, that man at the center of all of this,

1006
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Speaker 5: I give them to him in person or at his home,

1007
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Speaker 5: or I use his Gmail account. So what that means

1008
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Speaker 5: is that Tony Fauci, we need to know what documents

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Speaker 5: he got, and there are going to be people who

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Speaker 5: know that. There's going to be places. These documents are

1011
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Speaker 5: our chives. We just have to get to them.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Alex, you're a former New York Times reporter. When

1013
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Speaker 4: I hear everything that you just laid out, if we

1014
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Speaker 4: had a truly honest and not propagate Gamda Layden me,

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Speaker 4: wouldn't this be the equivalent of if you're a great

1016
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Speaker 4: white shark, they're being just tons of chum in the water.

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Speaker 4: And this be something that an honest media would aggressively

1018
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Speaker 4: cover and go after. At the time, Fauci was correct

1019
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Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong, the highest paid employee in all

1020
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Speaker 4: of the federal government. He's been testifying like crazy in

1021
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Speaker 4: front of Congress. Wouldn't this be the actual perfect distillation

1022
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Speaker 4: of going after powerful people if we had an honest media.

1023
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't The New York Times, the Washington Post, these usual

1024
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Speaker 4: supposed vanguards of protecting the democratic process, wouldn't they be

1025
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: after this? So far it appears they aren't. As a

1026
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Speaker 4: former New York Times reporter, just analyze where we are

1027
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Speaker 4: that that could be the case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, you're you're absolutely correct. I mean, here's

1029
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 5: an amazing thing. Okay, last week the demo, it wasn't

1030
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Speaker 5: as the Republicans on this House committee. The Democrats said

1031
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 5: to David Morns, we can't believe this, we can't believe

1032
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Speaker 5: that you said this stuff and that you did this stuff.

1033
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Speaker 5: And one of them, a Democratic congressman from Maryland, actually

1034
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 5: basically told them to stop testifying that he was that

1035
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 5: he was, you know, creating criminal problems for himself in

1036
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Speaker 5: doing so. I mean, he didn't come out and say

1037
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Speaker 5: that explic'tly, but that was definitely the subtext of what

1038
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 5: was said to David Warrens last week. So the Democrats

1039
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 5: are in front of the media on this. That's what's

1040
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 5: so unbelievable. And you're absolutely right. This is you know, COVID,

1041
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 5: COVID killed You know, we can we can talk about

1042
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 5: who died, but COVID killed a lot of people in

1043
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, millions of people worldwide. And that's absolutely

1044
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: the case. The US, you know, US lab work or

1045
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Speaker 5: US funded lab work may have had something to do

1046
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Speaker 5: with that. We don't know, but certainly there's very good

1047
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence Tony found

1048
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 5: you was at the middle of all of this. Now

1049
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 5: we know Tony Fauci and people close to him appear

1050
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 5: to have gone out of their way to have violated

1051
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Speaker 5: federal records. Love, I mean, yes, how is this not

1052
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 5: How is this not a story that every good journalist

1053
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 5: in the in the in the country is not bang at.

1054
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 5: It's an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: It absolutely is. I mean I'm seeing here. I forgot

1056
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: to say, there's no worry about Foyas. This is one

1057
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: of these emails I can either send stuff to Tony

1058
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Speaker 1: on his private Gmail or hand it to him at

1059
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Speaker 1: work or at his house. He is too smart to

1060
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: let colleagues send him stuff that could cause trouble. Okay,

1061
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Speaker 1: that's from Niad nih from David Moraan.

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Speaker 5: It's incredible. It's you know, look, I wrote a stack

1063
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Speaker 5: about this. If you don't want to read the House

1064
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 5: Committee report, which is thirty five pages of just you know,

1065
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 5: one document after the next, read read the stack. It

1066
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Speaker 5: you don't take you five minutes. It's free. You can

1067
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Speaker 5: look at it. But and by the way, there's something

1068
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Speaker 5: else when you go look at the underlying documents, because

1069
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Speaker 5: there's one hundred and fifty five hates of emails that

1070
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Speaker 5: and a couple of like transcripts of zoom calls that

1071
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Speaker 5: the House also released. The way they that mourns and

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Speaker 5: Moreen is a huge Fauchet partisan. The way he talks

1073
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 5: about Fauci is incredible. Fauch comes off sort of like

1074
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Speaker 5: like a jag or Hoover figure, like he's incredibly powerful,

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Speaker 5: he's touchy. You have to sort of maneuver him. You

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Speaker 5: can't tell him what to do. The only people he

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Speaker 5: will even pretend to listen to have to have a

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Speaker 5: Nobel prize at the you know, or you know, or

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Speaker 5: be like the head of a university. He comes off,

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Speaker 5: as you know, basically an egomaniac and and you know,

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Speaker 5: somebody who has to be handled with kid gloves. And

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Speaker 5: it is incredible to see this discussion of him. And

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Speaker 5: then there's another document where and where where these where

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Speaker 5: Morns starts talking about other scientists and basically he categorizes

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Speaker 5: them not by their intelligence or by you know, the

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Speaker 5: work that they've done, but solely by whether or not

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Speaker 5: they are pro or anti Fauci, and pro or anti

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Speaker 5: being willing to look at the possibility of a lamp

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Speaker 5: week It's it's it's it's sort of the worst kind

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Speaker 5: of partisanship, only this guy's supposed to be a scientist.

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Speaker 5: It's really amazing to see.

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Speaker 4: Do you think, based on everything that you have seen?

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Speaker 4: Rand Paul has been beating this drum senator from Kentucky

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Speaker 4: for a long time that he feels very confident that

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Speaker 4: Fauci lied in front of Congress, that there would be

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Speaker 4: perjury charges that would be justified. Do you think again,

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Speaker 4: asking the same kind of question that I did about

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Speaker 4: the New York Times in the Washington post. Do you

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Speaker 4: think if we had a completely honest Department of Justice,

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Speaker 4: which sadly we do not, do you think Anthony Fauci

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Speaker 4: should base charges criminally for his testimony based on what

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Speaker 4: you have seen.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to definitively say

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Speaker 5: yes today, Yet I think the investigation is going that way.

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Speaker 5: I think that Peter Dazak, who was sort of this

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Speaker 5: you know, this independent this independent group that was a

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Speaker 5: conduit for money between the US and China. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it certainly looks like Dazac should face contempt of Congress

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Speaker 5: charges and other criminal charges more in the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Whether you get to Fauci at this point, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think it's close, But I think I think you'd

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Speaker 5: want one of those guys to slip before you would

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Speaker 5: do that. It's all kind of irrelevant anyway, because the

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Speaker 5: Justice Department, as you say, look Andy Slavitt, who in

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Speaker 5: particular is a figure in particular interest to me. Flabbott

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Speaker 5: was in the White House, and he's the guy who

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Speaker 5: tried to get Twitter and ultimately you know, succeeded in

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Speaker 5: getting Twitter in banning me in twenty twenty one. He

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Speaker 5: has refused to testify before Congress, and the Justice Department

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Speaker 5: has said they will not prosecute him for contempt of

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Speaker 5: Congress charges. So so, so the you know, the Biden

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Speaker 5: White House, you know, they complained constantly about Trump politicizing

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Speaker 5: the DOJ. They are you know, just as bad, if

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Speaker 5: not worse they you know, so I don't think we're

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Speaker 5: gonna see that at the moment with Fauci unless unless

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Speaker 5: you know, Moren's actually lips or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, last question for you, and I mean again, I

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Speaker 4: think that if we had an honest media and an

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Speaker 4: honest Department of Justice, this would be such an unbelievable story.

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Speaker 4: What's the latest on the COVID shots themselves? Are people

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Speaker 4: just going to pretend that this whole era never happened?

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Speaker 4: It seems basically no one's getting boosters anymore. Stock prices

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Speaker 4: for Pfizer and Maderna to a large extent have tanked.

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Speaker 4: Where are we now on the actual shots?

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's about right if you and it's not

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Speaker 5: just in the US, by the way, if you look

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Speaker 5: sort of worldwide, I mean, you know, a country like

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Speaker 5: Singapore which had near total compliance with the first two

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Speaker 5: shots and the booster they you know, they're complaining that

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Speaker 5: COVID is coming back and saying that more than eighty

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Speaker 5: percent of people you know didn't get a booster in

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Speaker 5: the last year. I mean that's Singapore, you know, Australia,

1143
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 5: same thing, the US, same thing people, you know. So

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Speaker 5: the sort of the back guard argument that the pro

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Speaker 5: vaccine people things, oh well, we all have community now,

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Speaker 5: so you know, that's why COVID isn't as bad. We'd

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Speaker 5: like you to get shots, but don't get them. The

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Speaker 5: truth is, the shots basically failed. Almacrom is more mild,

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Speaker 5: everyone got it, and now people, I think people are

1150
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 5: just done with COVID. You know, we've talked about this before, right,

1151
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Speaker 5: people are done with COVID. They're done with the shots.

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Speaker 5: You know, MR and AS have sort of left a

1153
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Speaker 5: bad you know, a lot of people got sick, a

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Speaker 5: lot of people had bad responses to the MR and AS,

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Speaker 5: and I think a lot of sort of at least

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Speaker 5: healthy people under fifty or sixty are left wondering whether

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Speaker 5: they would have been better off just getting COVID and

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Speaker 5: being done with it. So so yeah, we're done. We're done.

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Speaker 5: We're done with COVID, and you can see I think

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Speaker 5: also that that you know, there's been a couple of

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Speaker 5: efforts to scare people about first about monkey pocks two

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Speaker 5: years ago, a little bit about av and flu H

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Speaker 5: five N one in the last couple of months. And

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, whether they admit it or not,

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Speaker 5: people are pretty they're pretty cynical right now about what

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Speaker 5: the public health establishment is telling them. And how can

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Speaker 5: they not be when you see the behavior.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Alex, if you say, for example, still

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Speaker 1: on social media that the COVID vaccines you know, didn't

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Speaker 1: work as advertised, or you still get dinged, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they still cling to this, or even if you say

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Speaker 1: masks don't work, they'll still sometimes give you like a

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Speaker 1: fact check or whatever. So they haven't actually backed off

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Speaker 1: this stuff.

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Speaker 5: Well but yeah, but when you say they, I agree

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Speaker 5: with you that the public health establishment hasn't backed off.

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Speaker 5: But but but in terms of you know, in terms

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Speaker 5: of your question is who's taking this, who's listening? I

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Speaker 5: think a lot of people are in a you know,

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Speaker 5: fool me in twenty twenty shame on you pull me

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: You know it's not happening, Alex.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate everything that you have done. Keep us updated

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Speaker 4: on how this goes. I would love personally to see

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Speaker 4: you sitting in the courtroom covering a doctor Anthony Fauci trial.

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Speaker 5: It would be fantastic. I am going to talk to

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Speaker 5: rand Paul in the next couple weeks, so that could

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Speaker 5: be an interesting conversation and I hope to put it

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Speaker 5: on the stack. But you know, he's done great work

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Speaker 5: and we just have to keep pushing on these questions.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, and we will here as well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the time.

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 4: zip codes, what Dell products were purchased. Goes to show

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