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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, April fifteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, Episode
Speaker 1: number five. Welcome to another edition of The Break. We
Speaker 1: are live at our homes. We're not the s WBC
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Speaker 1: But I got Nick Dave Amber here with me. We're
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys football. If you guys for the next hour,
Speaker 1: glad you can join us today. We got a lot
Speaker 1: to get into. We're gonna talk about this new virtual
Speaker 1: offseason that the Cowboys and the rest of the NFL
Speaker 1: will be kicking off here in April. We have some
Speaker 1: mock drafts. Nick and Dave both put together mock drafts
Speaker 1: through seven rounds that will let them dive into and
Speaker 1: give us some feedback on what they think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will do. And then we're gonna continue our position analysis. Today,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the wide receiver position. Lots of
Speaker 1: things to talk about there. How's everybody doing today? Good? Great, good,
Speaker 1: good good. Let's jump right in. Let's start with this
Speaker 1: virtual offseason the Cowboys at well. The NFL announced this
Speaker 1: week that teams will be able to start their virtual
Speaker 1: off seasons. Tell me how that works. I think April
Speaker 1: twenty is the date the Cowboys can start. What does
Speaker 1: that look like? What is this virtual offseason going to
Speaker 1: look like? I think there's an emoji on your phone
Speaker 1: that kind of goes like like that. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I really I don't know. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Dave might have a better answer, Amber might have a
Speaker 1: better answer, but like, I just think they're gonna try
Speaker 1: to do certain things as closely, you know, to what
Speaker 1: they've done before, and maybe you know, have meetings like
Speaker 1: this and Lisa get the guys to understand the playbook.
Speaker 1: But I have no idea how they're able and they're
Speaker 1: going to be able to do this. It's gonna be different,
Speaker 1: and hope hopefully everybody kind of understands that. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: i'd laughed when Derek asked the question, because how on
Speaker 1: Earth are we supposed to know for sure what it
Speaker 1: looks like. Um, just reading you know, the league's release
Speaker 1: and having listened to some interviews with Cowboys players about it,
Speaker 1: I assume it's gonna be a bunch of extensive zoom calls,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term. Get the coaches probably,
Speaker 1: I would assume, buy position group and offense and defense,
Speaker 1: get them in there and go over the install for
Speaker 1: all the different parts of the offense and defense. I
Speaker 1: think there's a stipulation that probably my favorite part is
Speaker 1: like for players of a certain experience range, teams have
Speaker 1: to provide like up to fifteen hundred dollars for workout equipment.
Speaker 1: So if you remember we talked about that last week, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're not this big money guy with his own home, Jim,
Speaker 1: how do you work out? Well, I guess the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to send you a both lex. So that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty great as far as I'm concerned. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it's anybody's guess exactly how this is all going to work.
Speaker 1: I hopefully they can get something, you know, meaningful out
Speaker 1: of it. Well, it did sound like from some of
Speaker 1: the reports I read that as you said that players
Speaker 1: can get this fifteen hundred dollars Stipe in that the
Speaker 1: league or that the teams will provide them in order
Speaker 1: to get workout equipment, but there will be a classroom
Speaker 1: part of it where they'll do those on zoom calls,
Speaker 1: it sounds like. And then there's a workout part of
Speaker 1: it that. Again, all of this is voluntary, as it
Speaker 1: would be if the Cowboys were in the facility, but
Speaker 1: if players choose to do the workouts to physical workouts,
Speaker 1: the teams can request as well that they would have
Speaker 1: to have monitor that they could have monitoring equipment that
Speaker 1: monitors their workouts. A little bit so team because I think,
Speaker 1: you know, for some of these players, there are parts
Speaker 1: of their contract where they get workout bonuses and the like,
Speaker 1: so I think some of that's included in this as well.
Speaker 1: So it looks like there's both a physical component as
Speaker 1: well as a classroom component to this. Again, still going
Speaker 1: to be left up to the team to figure out
Speaker 1: how exactly it works, but it sounds like there are
Speaker 1: kind of these two components that players will have the
Speaker 1: option to be a part of. Honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that bad. Obviously, this is something that's
Speaker 1: definitely not ideal, especially when you're talking about multiple people
Speaker 1: being involved. But me, during this time, I've been taking
Speaker 1: classes online and it hasn't been bad. And I've been
Speaker 1: doing workouts online and that hasn't been bad either. So
Speaker 1: given the situation of everything that's going on, honestly, the
Speaker 1: whole process of it, once they get it going and
Speaker 1: it would take a few days to get it cost him.
Speaker 1: But I think it can be done pretty well. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not necessarily concerned like these guys learning
Speaker 1: the book, you know, the new book and then doing
Speaker 1: their workouts, as long as they stay committed, because it
Speaker 1: takes a lot of commitment of you actually going through
Speaker 1: it and doing it, because when you're at home, it's
Speaker 1: totally different than being in person around people that are
Speaker 1: doing it with you. At the same time, nice humble
Speaker 1: brack about bettering yourself and going to school age. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very impressed because I haven't been doing anything.
Speaker 1: You're not doing that. No, yeah, I'm doing that day bro.
Speaker 1: I actually Zach Martin at Oh, I'm sorry. Zach Martin
Speaker 1: actually talked about this like last week. He went on
Speaker 1: one of the NFL radio shows and talked about how
Speaker 1: they were setting up the the you know, the frame
Speaker 1: for them to do zoom calls and getting all the
Speaker 1: technical bugs worked out. And Zach is really smart and diplomatic,
Speaker 1: but I swear he caught himself because he was about
Speaker 1: to say He's like, if this was the same coaching
Speaker 1: staff and the same exact scheme, this would basically be easy.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that, but I like, that's what he meant,
Speaker 1: is like, if you're not transitioning over, there's not that
Speaker 1: much to worry about if you're a veteran player. So
Speaker 1: it is a little bit concerning. Like even the Zack
Speaker 1: Martins of the world, the All Pros and the Pro bowlers,
Speaker 1: like they got an entirely new language and system to learn.
Speaker 1: I'm sure guys like that are up to the challenge,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's gonna necessarily be easy on
Speaker 1: anybody to try to learn a whole new way to play,
Speaker 1: you know, remotely. That sounds annoying. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: really great point because and you guys tell me, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many players are left on this team that have
Speaker 1: known anything other than Jason Garrett. I think maybe Latticser
Speaker 1: and Sean on Lee lp Laddiser that's it right at it.
Speaker 1: If it's not, it's dark. I mean, so so when
Speaker 1: you start thinking about it, from that standpoint, everybody virtually
Speaker 1: on this team is going to have to adapt to
Speaker 1: a brand new coach, a brand new uh well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, want to even want to say brand new scheme,
Speaker 1: because I do think if if coach McCartney mcartney thinks
Speaker 1: about all this, he may decide that they may want
Speaker 1: to keep doing some of the things they were doing
Speaker 1: before now with these circumstances in place, just from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of being able to keep some continuity without having
Speaker 1: those guys in the building. I mean, they do have
Speaker 1: a lot of guys too that weren't here that they've
Speaker 1: been with other teams. So I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if yeah, I mean, you guys said one or two
Speaker 1: players that have you know, known a different coach, but
Speaker 1: you know that there's just a lot of new new
Speaker 1: faces here. So it's just gonna be kind of messing
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in here when you look at
Speaker 1: every position other than maybe you know, running back, but
Speaker 1: every position is gonna have some some new guys, some
Speaker 1: some new faces in here, So you know, I think
Speaker 1: that that's going to be the key to this whole thing,
Speaker 1: is getting everybody united on the same page. And you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about the offensive line. Man, I would like
Speaker 1: to have Travis Frederick right now in a situation like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's a what he had two
Speaker 1: degrees or whatever. So if anybody knows how to study
Speaker 1: and communicate and all that, I think, you know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be missed at least for this offseason as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting thing. I think back before all this happened, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of conjecture about Dak Prescott and whether
Speaker 1: he would be showing up for offseason workouts. My question
Speaker 1: for you guys is do you think that or what
Speaker 1: do you think he will do in this instance, since
Speaker 1: since it is virtual and doesn't even really matter, how
Speaker 1: much would the Cowboys miss him if he doesn't take
Speaker 1: part in these virtual workouts this offseason? I think so,
Speaker 1: I think they would miss him, and I think he
Speaker 1: will participate. I mean I don't. Yeah, I know he
Speaker 1: needs to take a stand and he's trying to negotiate
Speaker 1: and all that, but um, I think you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him or anything like that. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would imagine that if you're
Speaker 1: going to be the leader of this football team in
Speaker 1: all situations, especially one that's turned upside down like this,
Speaker 1: you need to be there. And I hope he understands
Speaker 1: that he needs to be frontline, front and center. Uh
Speaker 1: you know he can. He can. He has a contract,
Speaker 1: I mean that he can sign and they can pay
Speaker 1: him what thirty two thirty three million dollars. So I
Speaker 1: think he needs to be there, and I would be
Speaker 1: I would be disappointed in him if he wasn't. I
Speaker 1: said this on Twitter yesterday, Like I do. I think
Speaker 1: it's important regardless. I think you need your quarterback there
Speaker 1: learning the new you know, the playbook, learning the differences
Speaker 1: in the offense, getting FaceTime with the coaches, you know,
Speaker 1: being part of the workouts, being bought in. I mean
Speaker 1: that is that's one of Dak's best qualities. But I
Speaker 1: just can't bring myself to get worked up if he's
Speaker 1: like not not on a zoom call, you know what.
Speaker 1: It just it just doesn't feel the same to me
Speaker 1: as like being in the weight room and like, you know,
Speaker 1: rallying guys or like being in the meeting room, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure at some point during this quarantine,
Speaker 1: like you've seen a screenshot of a college or high
Speaker 1: school class that's on zoom. It's like thirty little pixelated
Speaker 1: boxes of people all sitting in front of different backgrounds. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just doesn't feel as big to
Speaker 1: me if the quarterback is not part of that as
Speaker 1: it would if it was like a real life environment.
Speaker 1: But what would he be doing having a party? I mean,
Speaker 1: what would he what would he be doing other than this?
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's the weird part about money. But Nick,
Speaker 1: here's the thing though, It's like with him, this happened
Speaker 1: last year. You know, he was trying to look for
Speaker 1: a contract, obviously didn't stick it out and went ahead
Speaker 1: and went through the offseason, went through training camp and
Speaker 1: was there, was patient and all that, and then you
Speaker 1: get to this point where he still hasn't gotten what
Speaker 1: he wants necessarily. And then when you look at other guys, Zeke,
Speaker 1: when you look at the Marcus Lawrence, obviously different scenarios,
Speaker 1: but to me, it looks like, Okay, maybe this is
Speaker 1: the only way for me to get what I really want,
Speaker 1: is for me to kind of hold on and not
Speaker 1: participate in these kinds of things, even though it might
Speaker 1: hurt me later on, you know, but sometimes this is
Speaker 1: the route that you need to take in order to
Speaker 1: get what you're looking for as far as a new contract. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you, Amber, But I'll say
Speaker 1: this too about what Dave said. I just think it
Speaker 1: still does matter that if he's not there, because I
Speaker 1: just look at it from the standpoint of any business
Speaker 1: right now and any group of people that typically work together,
Speaker 1: it's even more important right now that those leaders step
Speaker 1: up and bring the group together, whether it is in
Speaker 1: those calls, whether actually doing team related stuff or just
Speaker 1: on his own as the leader of this team, being
Speaker 1: the quarterback, is he pulling his offensive guys together, is
Speaker 1: he pulling the whole team together and just kind of
Speaker 1: making sure that everybody's holding each other accountable, that we
Speaker 1: still need to be getting our work done, we still
Speaker 1: need to be communicating, we still need to keep our
Speaker 1: relationships intact. Right That's what leaders do, and so him
Speaker 1: not being there I think does matter, and I think
Speaker 1: it certainly is going to matter in a time like this,
Speaker 1: maybe even more so than when they are actually face
Speaker 1: to face, you know, And I'll add to this, and
Speaker 1: I think you guys are right about standing his ground
Speaker 1: and all that, but he also needs to remember this
Speaker 1: is that you know, a wide receiver who's not on
Speaker 1: the same page as you can make you look bad Roma.
Speaker 1: That happened to Romo a lot early in or early
Speaker 1: in Dez Bryant's career, and other receivers as well. So
Speaker 1: it does. I mean, I'm sorry, Dak still needs to
Speaker 1: play at a high level. I mean, even if he
Speaker 1: just plays on the franchise tag. So this is an
Speaker 1: important year for him because if he takes another step
Speaker 1: back or a step back, or however you want to
Speaker 1: look at it, then the money that he's looking for
Speaker 1: is certainly not going to be there. I think everyone
Speaker 1: would realize that Jalen Smith got the money when he
Speaker 1: was supposed to last year, because if he doesn't do
Speaker 1: that and he tries to get a deal this offseason,
Speaker 1: I think his price value would have been a lot different.
Speaker 1: So it's very important for Dak to have a great
Speaker 1: year and being a part of these offseason workouts it
Speaker 1: virtually or not, I think it's important. I'll say thing
Speaker 1: about go ahead, I just I think Dak Prescott cares
Speaker 1: too much about being great to not work like he's
Speaker 1: he's going. He's going to put in the work like
Speaker 1: he's whether whether it's socially advisable or not. Like he's
Speaker 1: been working with receivers over the last few weeks. Probably
Speaker 1: should do less of that for the time being, but
Speaker 1: he's putting in the physical work. Stephen Jones said yesterday
Speaker 1: he's got an iPad. They send him one for the
Speaker 1: install There's no way he's not going to use it.
Speaker 1: Like he cares too much about being good to not
Speaker 1: work at it. Whether that means he'll log into these
Speaker 1: full team activities, I have no idea, but one way
Speaker 1: or another, I trust him to get the work done,
Speaker 1: even if he does it mostly on his own. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also the issue though here is I think for
Speaker 1: a quarterback, probably more than any other position in the
Speaker 1: sport of football, it's very difficult to do that in isolation.
Speaker 1: You can do the work on your own of learning it,
Speaker 1: but it's pulling it together with all the other parts.
Speaker 1: It's pulling it together with the offensive line when it
Speaker 1: comes to making adjustments to protections. It's pulling together with
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. And the running backs and the tight ends.
Speaker 1: When it comes to routes and making sure everybody's on
Speaker 1: the same page what they're gonna do. I don't think
Speaker 1: he can really do it as well in isolation as
Speaker 1: maybe another position could do it. And that's going to
Speaker 1: be the rub here, and that's always the rub when
Speaker 1: a player decides to hold out or to not take
Speaker 1: part in activities that are in the off season for
Speaker 1: contract response, for contract reasons, it's probably the good thing
Speaker 1: for them to do for their leverage, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, it can't hurt them on the field. And
Speaker 1: we'll see just how much that affects Dak if he
Speaker 1: decides to not take part in these offseason workouts. The
Speaker 1: annoying thing is that, you know, if everything was normal
Speaker 1: and we were at the Star, we have ways of
Speaker 1: finding out who's there and who's not there. But good
Speaker 1: luck doing that when everything's happening over the phone. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Well, maybe I can tap those
Speaker 1: and get some information with well, if he keeps hanging
Speaker 1: out with a certain wide receiver. He likes to tweet everything,
Speaker 1: so then you know the point, you'll get to see
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Good point all right, hold on, Derek,
Speaker 1: you think it is interesting, Daks we need to get
Speaker 1: des on a team, not the team, not this team,
Speaker 1: but eighteen. Well, I don't. It might have been a
Speaker 1: Freudian slip, like I don't. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was purposefully trying to do that, but um, it was interesting.
Speaker 1: It was interesting that he said a team and not
Speaker 1: this team. Oh well, what do you guys think, Dave
Speaker 1: amber I pointed that out last week when we talked
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He's He's
Speaker 1: got the type of voice that if he really wanted
Speaker 1: that to happen, he probably could make it happen. So
Speaker 1: read into that, which you will. You see, when Dak speaks,
Speaker 1: he tries to be very political correct, you know, like
Speaker 1: he tries to be very neutral. So a comment like that,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't read too much into it because it's coming
Speaker 1: from Dak. Now, I want to talk to you guys
Speaker 1: one thing, because I've seen people kind of still asking
Speaker 1: about the contract situation with Dak, like what happens now
Speaker 1: until when does he have to sign the franchise tag?
Speaker 1: And as far as like if he doesn't sign it,
Speaker 1: what happens the tag deadline is fifteenth at three pm
Speaker 1: Central time. Once that deadline passes, you cannot negotiate with
Speaker 1: the franchise tag player, Like, even if you wanted to
Speaker 1: give him the contract, you can't do it per league rules,
Speaker 1: which is why if nothing is agreed to by then
Speaker 1: Dack will sign it because it's better to have thirty
Speaker 1: three million guaranteed than nothing. So they've got until July
Speaker 1: fifteenth to hammer something out, and if they don't, then
Speaker 1: he plays the season on the tag or I mean,
Speaker 1: he could pull a Levy on Bell and not play,
Speaker 1: but I just don't see that happening. So that also
Speaker 1: means that the likelihood of him missing training camp is
Speaker 1: probably not there. It's not the same kind of situation
Speaker 1: as maybe what they faced with Zeke, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not training camp, but I mean, we'll see how we
Speaker 1: wants to play it. But there's nothing forcing him to
Speaker 1: be part of any of this offseason stuff, right but yeah,
Speaker 1: by training camp, who're gonna do We're gonna go ahead,
Speaker 1: in fact, sorry, yeah, go ahead, right, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and take a quick break. We're we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the mock drafts. Dave and uh and uh Nick
Speaker 1: both put together mock drafts a full seven rounds. We're
Speaker 1: gonna let them go through those and tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about what they what they think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will do, and then Amber and I will tear that down.
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Speaker 1: to us about Cowboys football. We're gonna get into some
Speaker 1: mock drafts. Nick and Dave, as well as a couple
Speaker 1: of other writers on our website, put together their own
Speaker 1: seven round mock drafts. We're gonna have Dave and Nick
Speaker 1: run down their picks. So here's how we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Nick and Dave, I'm gonna have both of you go
Speaker 1: through and tell me your seven round pick, your seven rounds,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all the picks in your seven rounds, and
Speaker 1: then we have a couple of questions we'll ask for
Speaker 1: each of you regarding your seven round mac mock. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So let's start with you, Dave, give me your seven
Speaker 1: roun ounds and the picks that you met. Okay, this
Speaker 1: it really stresses me out because, in my opinion, the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: they say they've done a really good job in free agency,
Speaker 1: and they did all right, But I just there's a
Speaker 1: lot of holes that need to be addressed on this
Speaker 1: team and only so many picks to do it. So
Speaker 1: I went with Grant Delpit at picks seventeen. In retrospect,
Speaker 1: we made these picks what a month ago? In retrospect,
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it because I just don't
Speaker 1: trust that the Cowboys value the safety position enough to
Speaker 1: spend a top twenty pick, But if they wanted to,
Speaker 1: I think you could do a lot worse than Grant Delpit.
Speaker 1: He's got ball skills. I know people are worried about
Speaker 1: his tackling, but he's a turnover machine. He's a versatile player.
Speaker 1: He can play in the slot safety, probably even do
Speaker 1: some linebacker. So he's my pick at seventeen, and then
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation terrifies me. I think pick fifty one
Speaker 1: is a good spot for cornerback. There's five or six
Speaker 1: of them that would make sense in that range. I
Speaker 1: picked Noah Igbanogeny out of Auburn. I think he's a
Speaker 1: great man corner. He's got really impressive athleticism, handled a
Speaker 1: lot of the best receivers in the SEC, and did
Speaker 1: a great job with it. Pick eighty two little bit
Speaker 1: of a curve ball, because every draft has one. Like
Speaker 1: offensive tackle is not a crazy need for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But if a guy like Sadiq Charles out of LSU's
Speaker 1: the best player available at eighty two, could get yourself
Speaker 1: a heck of a swing tackle and a potential air
Speaker 1: to either of your tackle spots. I think that's good value.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys need to come out of the
Speaker 1: first four rounds with a wide receiver. I went with
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, junior out of USC almost won the Blitnikoff
Speaker 1: Award in college last year. I don't know how realistic
Speaker 1: it is in the fourth round, but as long as
Speaker 1: they find a receiver in the first four rounds, I
Speaker 1: think he could contribute in an early stage. I think
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman absolutely could contribute early. I rounded it out
Speaker 1: with my Day three picks Dan Jackson out of pitt cornerback.
Speaker 1: I would love it if they doubled up on the position. Um,
Speaker 1: he really impressed me at the Senior Bowl. James Lynch
Speaker 1: out of Baylor's a big, beefy d lineman that that
Speaker 1: we know that they've talked to, they've shown interest in him.
Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, like we talked about
Speaker 1: last week, they probably need a depth linebacker. UM, you know,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a starter, but a guy that can bolster
Speaker 1: that depth chart. So I went with Sean Bradley out
Speaker 1: of Temple in the seventh round. UM. I don't feel
Speaker 1: great about a lot of the names, but if they
Speaker 1: came out of the draft addressing all those positions, I'd
Speaker 1: feel decent about it. I had a couple of questions
Speaker 1: for you on that one. Dave talk about the cornerback
Speaker 1: Noah and I'm not gonna butcher his last name. Tell
Speaker 1: me how he good anyway? Um So tell me how
Speaker 1: he played against LSU and Alabama because obviously there are
Speaker 1: first first round wide receiver projected first round wide receivers
Speaker 1: on both those teams. How well did he perform against
Speaker 1: those two teams in particular? Honestly, that's what sold me
Speaker 1: on Noah is And I don't say this because I'm
Speaker 1: a Homer. You can go watch the tape. LSU embarrassed
Speaker 1: a lot of dbs this year. Trevon Diggs out of
Speaker 1: Alabama as another cornerback that is in consideration as a
Speaker 1: first or second round pick. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: like him, and I swear it's completely because LSU just
Speaker 1: torched him. I mean, he couldn't do anything with LSU's receivers.
Speaker 1: I thought Higbanagen he played really well. He manned up
Speaker 1: on Jamar Chase, who was the bulit and a coof
Speaker 1: Award winner last year, did a really fantastic job with it.
Speaker 1: LSU only scored twenty three points in that game, easily
Speaker 1: their least explosive performance of the season. A lot of
Speaker 1: that it's because Auburn's pass rush is so legit. Obviously
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could use some help there as well. But
Speaker 1: Igbanogeny again, like they put him out there on an
Speaker 1: island against those guys, and he held his own. His
Speaker 1: parents were track stars, He's very athletic. If you were
Speaker 1: going to draft him, I think you would do it
Speaker 1: with the idea that he would play a lot of
Speaker 1: manned defense. You know, he's not a can't miss prospect
Speaker 1: or else he wouldn't be targeted in the second round.
Speaker 1: But I feel good that he could contribute at an
Speaker 1: early stage of his career. The other question I had
Speaker 1: for you is on Michael Pittman, junior wide receiver from
Speaker 1: USC Can he play the slot because that seems to
Speaker 1: be the position where the Cowboys really needs some help.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say he couldn't, but I
Speaker 1: don't view him as a slot receiver. He's a big
Speaker 1: bodied outside guy. And yeah, I mean, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: There's a dozen slot receivers that I think make more sense.
Speaker 1: But think about the fact that Amari Cooper and Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup can both move inside and outside. I think back
Speaker 1: in the day you were kind of hamstrung into pigeonholing
Speaker 1: these guys because guys like des b Is that him?
Speaker 1: What's that? Is that him? Number six? Right there in
Speaker 1: the middle. I clicked away from our feed. Sorry, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it is. I mean he's like leading the
Speaker 1: cheers there. I mean, I don't want him to step
Speaker 1: on Amara Cooper's role, because that's exactly what Amark Cooper
Speaker 1: is going to be doing, is sitting in the middle
Speaker 1: of the receivers like that. He was actually, uh, Pittman
Speaker 1: was one of the finalists for Jason Witten's Collegiate Man
Speaker 1: of the Year award. Like he's done a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff in the in the LA community. It seems to
Speaker 1: be a really hard Is that going to be hosted
Speaker 1: this year? Where's that going to be hosted this year?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just derailing the whole thing. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was about to say, you're just ow I got
Speaker 1: the toilet paper? You good? Were I haven't brought out
Speaker 1: the toilet paper. Yeah, it's over there, so all right,
Speaker 1: all right, I am paying attention to what you're saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Pittman's Pittman's not a slot guy, but Cooper
Speaker 1: and Gallup can both play in the slot, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me as much, although there are other receivers
Speaker 1: that I think fit better here. Okay, Nick, let's jump
Speaker 1: into your your mock draft. Give us your seven guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I just like Dave. I take a safety
Speaker 1: there at seventeen. I don't know if I feel great
Speaker 1: about it now. Xavier McKinney at I've Adlabama. I probably
Speaker 1: would rather have delpit I think. But but Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: just because he's like on the cover of the magazine,
Speaker 1: I guess that for us that I guess McKinney is too.
Speaker 1: But I don't know just because Delpitt's he's he's been
Speaker 1: a better college player, because he's been a two time
Speaker 1: All American, and I would rather have him. But I
Speaker 1: think McKinney, uh, you know, he's got some good size
Speaker 1: to him as well. So if they go with the safety,
Speaker 1: I don't think they can go wrong either one of
Speaker 1: those two. But when we do the next mock draft
Speaker 1: next week, I don't think I'll be picking Xavier McKinney,
Speaker 1: and I doubt that Dave will be picking delp It.
Speaker 1: But in the second round, I went Cameron Danceler or
Speaker 1: cornerback from Mississippi State. I know that Christmas Shard's not
Speaker 1: here anymore, but I still think that they're going to
Speaker 1: probably go with that bigger corner. Al Harris was a
Speaker 1: big corner and I think Danceler kind of fits that role,
Speaker 1: kind of tall and rangie. Third round, Texas Devin Duvernet.
Speaker 1: I just think the speed track guy that I've been
Speaker 1: looking for for a long long time. I think he
Speaker 1: would be a perfect slot guy, good punt returner, kick returner.
Speaker 1: The fourth round, I took the Missouri tight end, and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna call him. I think they call
Speaker 1: him Albert. I'm not I'm not even gonna even an
Speaker 1: attempt for the last name. Maybe Dave's got that one,
Speaker 1: but you know, just just give him some depth there.
Speaker 1: In the fourth round, they tried with Dalton Schultz. I
Speaker 1: don't think that really worked out, and you know, I
Speaker 1: could see them maybe taking another stab at it. Blake
Speaker 1: Bell is going to be the second tight end, but
Speaker 1: maybe a fourth rounder would work. Evan Weaver in the
Speaker 1: fifth round if he if he's there, I think he's
Speaker 1: a productive linebacker at CAL. I took Telvin a game
Speaker 1: from Arkansas because you have to take an Arkansas guy.
Speaker 1: But I just think he's he's a he's a big
Speaker 1: defensive tackle that that's doing. You know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the fact that he wasn't invited to
Speaker 1: the combine to the last minute and he had a
Speaker 1: really good, um, I'm sorry, Senior Bowl, had a really
Speaker 1: good Senior Bowl there. And then in the seventh round,
Speaker 1: just took a corner Reggie Robinson from Tulsa, Like Dave said,
Speaker 1: doubling up on a position of need. If you can
Speaker 1: get two corners out of this, I think that that
Speaker 1: will be good. Yeah. I see that both you and
Speaker 1: Dave went defense in the first two rounds. Are you
Speaker 1: guys convinced that this is going to be a defense
Speaker 1: heavy because if you take defense first two rounds, to me,
Speaker 1: regardless of what you do the rest of the draft,
Speaker 1: it becomes defense heavy. Do you got your guests convince
Speaker 1: it's gonna be defense heavy this year? I think we're
Speaker 1: all convinced on this show that it's going to be
Speaker 1: defense heavy. Yes, I know I Amberfield absolutely and they
Speaker 1: need it. They need it. But I have a different question.
Speaker 1: You both said that, well, you both went for a
Speaker 1: safety on the first round, and that was a month ago,
Speaker 1: and you said that you don't necessarily feel the same
Speaker 1: as of right now. So therefore, what would be your
Speaker 1: different pick at this moment that you think the Coboys
Speaker 1: would go for. I'm a thinking receiver. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think Dave has got me brainwashing into thinking it's
Speaker 1: going to be a receiver. But ironically I'm not even
Speaker 1: saying that. But well, no, no, no brainwashing me to
Speaker 1: think that that's gonna be the best value. That that's
Speaker 1: that's where it's seventeen. That's that's where the best guy's
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be. And you know, when you think about
Speaker 1: it from a standpoint of you need three receivers to play,
Speaker 1: and he will be a starter. I mean, Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: was a starter. I why not drafted a wide receiver there?
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think they need defensive h you know, playmakers,
Speaker 1: but I just think the value is going to be
Speaker 1: their receiver. It just depends. It's oh, go ahead, Derek, sorry, good,
Speaker 1: no quick, But it's just it's really hard to pay,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to peg how the picks like ten
Speaker 1: through seventeen are gonna go. There's I mean, there's there
Speaker 1: are three receivers that would be worth running to the
Speaker 1: podium to draft at seventeen. I don't know if any
Speaker 1: of them fall that far. How many offensive tackles go
Speaker 1: ahead of the Cowboys and push other players down the line?
Speaker 1: Same thing with quarterbacks, like are there going to be
Speaker 1: three drafted in the first or you know three or four?
Speaker 1: Is Jordan Love gonna be available when the Cowboys pick?
Speaker 1: If one of those three receivers is there, I agree
Speaker 1: with Nick or Mate, you know, you could talk me
Speaker 1: into Justin Jefferson easy. But the name that I just,
Speaker 1: the name that I keep coming back to is Calvan
Speaker 1: Chason and if he's there, his upside and natural talent,
Speaker 1: plus the fact that the Cowboys desperately need edge rushers,
Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense for me to ignore.
Speaker 1: But that's where I have the question of I think
Speaker 1: I've heard more. I've heard more potential downside for chas
Speaker 1: On than I've heard for either Judy or Lamb. So
Speaker 1: that's where I start wondering, is this a situation where
Speaker 1: the value of what you can get. I have a
Speaker 1: hard time thinking that a Judy or Lamb, and I
Speaker 1: like Rugs too, but but I really think Judy and Lamb,
Speaker 1: if either one of them is there at seventeen, I'm
Speaker 1: hard pressed to think that any other player that's there
Speaker 1: at seventeen is a better talent than either of those
Speaker 1: two guys. And I still believe personally that the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position is a position of need for them, just
Speaker 1: like defensive end is. Because right now, who you're going
Speaker 1: to run out there in three wide receiver sets? Because
Speaker 1: I don't think they have that guy right now. I
Speaker 1: completely agree with you, And further record, if CD Lamb
Speaker 1: or Jerry Judy is there at seventeen, that's who I
Speaker 1: would draft. I don't really think that's plausible. They're both
Speaker 1: way too good, I agree. And there's two I've seen
Speaker 1: wide receivers fall sometimes. Yeah, I've seen I've seen wide
Speaker 1: receivers fall sometime. And I think in a draft like
Speaker 1: this one where everybody says, man, you could get a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the fourth or fifth round that may
Speaker 1: be a really great player. It does make me wonder
Speaker 1: if teams will say, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: go with something else in the first round and see
Speaker 1: how far I can go before I have to go
Speaker 1: with a wide receiver because I think I love a
Speaker 1: guy that I can get in the third round who
Speaker 1: might be just as valuable to my team as if
Speaker 1: I were going to spend it in the first round.
Speaker 1: That is, it is the ultimate test of like best
Speaker 1: available player verse, do you draft for need? Because I
Speaker 1: feel way way more confident that Jerry Judy or Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb will be a productive NFL player than Caleb and
Speaker 1: Chase on And I also feel way better trying to
Speaker 1: trot Alden Smith and Randy Gregory out at right ind
Speaker 1: than I do trying to work with what they have
Speaker 1: at receiver three right now, like they have essentially nothing.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. Can I give my prediction of
Speaker 1: what I think is going to happen? Though, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think at seventeen we've seen this. I've seen this twice
Speaker 1: since I've been here, and I see it happening again.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys get to seventeen, the Utah State quarterback right
Speaker 1: Jordan and love Yep, I think he'll be He'll be there,
Speaker 1: and I think Jerry will be on the phone trying
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, maybe the Patriots, to see how
Speaker 1: bad somebody wants to take Jordan Love and try to
Speaker 1: move down and try to you know. And I think
Speaker 1: that when a guy, when a team is going to
Speaker 1: get a quarterback, they pay a little bit more, don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not saying trade this year's for
Speaker 1: next year's one. I'm not saying that. But I could
Speaker 1: see them, you know, maybe moving back a little bit
Speaker 1: out of that spot there's like collect some picks. Would
Speaker 1: you guys be disappointed in that? Especially if there's talent
Speaker 1: like let's say Chase On and one of those receivers
Speaker 1: is available at that point, would you guys be disappointed
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys moved back now? Because what if you
Speaker 1: move back to twenty five and still get Delpit or
Speaker 1: McKinney or one of the safeties you want, and then
Speaker 1: you picked up an extra second or third by doing so.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta see how it plays out. They
Speaker 1: were crucified for what they did in two thousand and
Speaker 1: thirteen and to take a center and ended up being
Speaker 1: arguably the best center in Cowboys history. So that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the interesting That'll be the interesting thing for me though,
Speaker 1: because obviously the pick worked out, but that was a
Speaker 1: bad trade, Like the Cowboys didn't get nearly as much
Speaker 1: as they should have because they wanted to bail out
Speaker 1: of the pick more than anybody else wanted to come up.
Speaker 1: So if Jordan Love would be the player in question,
Speaker 1: they could stand to get a lot more out of
Speaker 1: the trade, which would be a lot more exciting. I
Speaker 1: would be disappointed if they traded away from one of
Speaker 1: those three receivers, because I think that's worth the pick.
Speaker 1: But anybody else, I mean, I doubt it. But Jason
Speaker 1: could fall to twenty four. It's possible. Um, And even
Speaker 1: if he doesn't, Yeah, at twenty four, you feel way
Speaker 1: better about drafting a safety. There are other receivers you
Speaker 1: could consider at twenty four, whether it's Jordan Jefferson or
Speaker 1: excuse me, justin Jefferson. There's so many Jefferson's, Um, there's
Speaker 1: other cornerbacks, Jeff Gladney, you probably feel decent about taking
Speaker 1: in that range. Like I feel great about my options
Speaker 1: in a trade back, especially if I add, you know,
Speaker 1: a second or third round pick to to my draft hall.
Speaker 1: I watched the TCU receiver Jane then Rager and I thought, man,
Speaker 1: he would fit. He seems like he would fit perfectly
Speaker 1: in what they're trying to do. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a local guy. But I mean, but I just
Speaker 1: got not so much at seventeen. But maybe if you
Speaker 1: move back, but if they really know what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do though, Like that's my thing. I keep going
Speaker 1: back and forth on what I'm used to seeing from
Speaker 1: this seem under Jason Garrett and then now with Mike McCarthy, Like,
Speaker 1: like what side of the ball do they value more?
Speaker 1: Does he value more? You know? Like what does he
Speaker 1: feel that he needs to make stronger? You know, because
Speaker 1: some teams prefer having a heavier defense versus an offense,
Speaker 1: and then some others go with offense. And based on
Speaker 1: what we were able to see last year with what
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore was able to do with the offense and
Speaker 1: making them number one around the league. So like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I still feel although they need a wide
Speaker 1: receiver for sure, I still feel that they can still
Speaker 1: make it happen without necessarily drafting a receiver in the
Speaker 1: first round. And maybe so again, this is a draft
Speaker 1: that has a lot of receivers in it. So maybe
Speaker 1: third or fourth round is a place where they feel
Speaker 1: like they can get a guy that can come in
Speaker 1: and immediately start at it in the slot. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys know how much I have affection for Duvernet.
Speaker 1: There are other guys like that that will be available
Speaker 1: in later rounds that you could bring in and be
Speaker 1: an im media player for you. So maybe that is
Speaker 1: the to go. I just feel like when you're talking
Speaker 1: about Judy and Lamb specifically, those two guys, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: are talented to the point where you're getting a steal
Speaker 1: if you get them at seventeen. And I thought, that's
Speaker 1: where I feel like you just get. You go for
Speaker 1: the value at that point more so than you go
Speaker 1: for what you what you may think you need more.
Speaker 1: I thought we had a really good mail bad question
Speaker 1: a couple days ago about that, and it was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, why do you have to go get a
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley or west Welco or Randall Cobbs slot guy.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just get a wide receiver if on
Speaker 1: third downs, if Amara, Cooper or Gallop can slide inside
Speaker 1: to play that that they can. But I mean, go
Speaker 1: get you a good wide receiver doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: five eleven, one eighty. And I thought that was a
Speaker 1: good point. I mean, we think about that, but but
Speaker 1: you know, if you just need three wide receivers. And
Speaker 1: he's right, the guy that asked the question, because Amary
Speaker 1: Cooper can play in the slot and so can Gallop.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting that, you know, DuVernay
Speaker 1: and all that would fit perfectly and Jalen Rigor. But
Speaker 1: if the guys six four and two twenty. The guy
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of is Iowa State. Is he in this draft?
Speaker 1: Dave that was last year? Last year? Whatever? They all run,
Speaker 1: but run together. I'm thinking Lazard or something. Yeah, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's the guy plays for the Packers. I know, yeah, Butler,
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking of a really big go getter,
Speaker 1: you know, Dez Bryant type guy. If he's there, Hey,
Speaker 1: he could be the third receiver. Yeah. And I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to get a slot receiver.
Speaker 1: I do think if you get somebody who's really good
Speaker 1: at it, like Duberne, then that still would be good
Speaker 1: for your team because you can still leave those guys
Speaker 1: on the outside. So I don't I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to do it that I agree with you old hardily.
Speaker 1: You don't have to, and that does give you some
Speaker 1: flexibility in what you might decide to draft here with
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. But you do need a
Speaker 1: punt returner. You do need somebody that can do that.
Speaker 1: And they've watched Pollard how to do it. Teach Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard how to do it. You'll be fine. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. The guy, the guy you want to
Speaker 1: go watch nick is Leaviscas Channault. Um, he's your big
Speaker 1: body guy, and twenty four would be Yeah, twenty four
Speaker 1: would be fine. Maybe a little early, but not the
Speaker 1: end of the world. What are you gonna say? Is
Speaker 1: he a Dallas take guy? Yeah, local guy. He's a
Speaker 1: DeSoto guy. Yeah? Oh yeah, which yeah, another thing I
Speaker 1: want to talk, I know, a brainwashing and you guys
Speaker 1: are really switching my thinking over here. Like I've been
Speaker 1: stuck with defense since forever, with the freaking safety position,
Speaker 1: and then now cornerback that's also an issue. But I
Speaker 1: gus sorry, just think I got in this argument with
Speaker 1: Neuis Scrugs on Twitter, like last week, think back to
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. They fixed the defense in one fell swoop,
Speaker 1: and I mean like they did a decent job. I
Speaker 1: mean they found three starters in that draft, but they
Speaker 1: draft did Taco. They drafted Cheeto, Jordan Lewis, and even
Speaker 1: throw An Xavier Woods. What did those guys do as rookies?
Speaker 1: Like they played and they contributed, but none of them
Speaker 1: was in every game starter. You know, they had Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods playing nickelback just because injuries forced them to. Taco
Speaker 1: was rotational at best. Injuries kept Cheeto and Jordan from
Speaker 1: being full time contributors now at Like, so even if
Speaker 1: you go all defense, what are the odds that you're
Speaker 1: going to hit on guys that are just ready to
Speaker 1: go right away, as opposed to drafting a third receiver
Speaker 1: who has two eleven hundred yard caliber guys taking the
Speaker 1: pressure off him. Allah Calvin Ridley in Atlanta two years ago,
Speaker 1: who had eight hundred yards and ten touchdowns as a rookie.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just think if you're looking for
Speaker 1: immediate impact, I think it's way more likely you're going
Speaker 1: to get it from a wide receiver. You know, Dave,
Speaker 1: you just changed my mind actually by saying all that,
Speaker 1: and I'd go and now I'm going back to corner,
Speaker 1: because you're right, all those guys they didn't contribute at all,
Speaker 1: And so where's my corner going to be? Second round,
Speaker 1: third round, fifth round, both? So now he's got to
Speaker 1: be seventeen then, because he's got I got to give
Speaker 1: him the best chance for my corner to come play.
Speaker 1: Because they picked on Cheetah. Who's my number one guy?
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is you know, I think he's a good
Speaker 1: corner and he's a playmaker, but I don't think he'd
Speaker 1: be great on the outside all the time. And Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown is Anthony Brown. I need an the frontline guy.
Speaker 1: So now I don't know if I can wait now
Speaker 1: in my corner. You made it such a good point.
Speaker 1: Now I disagree with you now, but I still think
Speaker 1: that comes back to who's available to you at seventeen.
Speaker 1: What quarterback is there? And if it's a cornerback that
Speaker 1: you think is as good as one of those other guys,
Speaker 1: in great, If not, I don't think you press for it.
Speaker 1: I think both of them are needs for you reach.
Speaker 1: That's me reaching you got to reach. It's a fascint
Speaker 1: guess conversation. I mean, they need to come out of
Speaker 1: this draft with a quality cornerback, a quality They don't
Speaker 1: need an edge rusher, but it would be nice. They
Speaker 1: need they need defensive backs and a receiver, and they
Speaker 1: need them to be good. Yep, yep, center, those are
Speaker 1: positions they need for this year. I will say this,
Speaker 1: you look at the defensive end position. There's still some
Speaker 1: guys on in free agency that are still out there
Speaker 1: that that you could possibly pull in if you needed
Speaker 1: more help there. I don't know that you have the
Speaker 1: same that You can say the same thing about cornerbacks
Speaker 1: and wide receivers. So draft you where you really have
Speaker 1: to get those guys at this point. Yep, I don't
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Speaker 1: we get into that, I wanted to go back into
Speaker 1: the whole first round topic real quick. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: where to select a defensive back with the first round
Speaker 1: at this moment, which position do you think that has
Speaker 1: the most value? Safety or cornerback? Because we keep going
Speaker 1: back and forth, so based on your observations of the
Speaker 1: team right now, which one of those two positions do
Speaker 1: you think would be better for the team. I'll say
Speaker 1: corner because I think you know Zaberwoods has started and
Speaker 1: ha ha Clinton Dix has started. And I think those
Speaker 1: two guys together, you know, are probably wouldn't be the
Speaker 1: worst duo in the NFL. But Geeto and Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: and Anthony Browns, is your three corners that that needs
Speaker 1: some work and so I would think there'd be more
Speaker 1: value at corner if you could get it, if it's even.
Speaker 1: If it's not even, then you want to take value.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask that question with a question, Dave and Nick,
Speaker 1: do you guys the only corner I've really heard that's
Speaker 1: the caliber that would be selected at seventeen is Henderson
Speaker 1: and questionable whether he'll be there. Are there other corners
Speaker 1: that would be in that range? Because if not, I
Speaker 1: don't think you reach for a corner. I think you
Speaker 1: take one of those two safeties. But are there other
Speaker 1: corners that would possibly be there if Henderson, let's say,
Speaker 1: has already gone, that will be worth the seventeenth pick.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a fun question for front officers to
Speaker 1: figure out. We as we all know, like we can
Speaker 1: do all the work we want, watch all the tape
Speaker 1: we want, and you're still gonna be wrong about the
Speaker 1: way one of these teams feels about a guy like
Speaker 1: A perfect example is the Oakland Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell
Speaker 1: out of Clemson, the pass rusher fourth overall last year.
Speaker 1: Nobody in the media scouting community saw that as like
Speaker 1: a fit with his value, but the Raiders did so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there are cornerbacks. Trevon Diggs out of Alabama
Speaker 1: I mentioned him earlier. Christian Fulton out of LSU is
Speaker 1: a guy we know the Cowboys have talked to. They
Speaker 1: published the video with him, Jeff Gladeny out of TCU.
Speaker 1: Those are probably the next three after Henderson and obviously
Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda, who they don't have a chance at. It's
Speaker 1: just gonna be you know, nobody, you know, nobody in
Speaker 1: the media thinks that it's worth that pick at seventeen,
Speaker 1: none of those three. But that doesn't mean the Cowboys
Speaker 1: won't feel that way. If Trevon Diggs just fits exactly
Speaker 1: what Al Harris and Mike Nolan think they want to do,
Speaker 1: then it might be worth it to them. But if
Speaker 1: you're going based off of like the collective opinion of people,
Speaker 1: it seems like a reach. If Henderson's not there and
Speaker 1: you would take one of the two safeties in that
Speaker 1: instance before you would take one of those other three guys.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question, honestly, because, like I mean,
Speaker 1: cornerback is the more valuable position. The Cowboys aren't wrong
Speaker 1: about that, like they are right that cornerback is more
Speaker 1: valuable than safety. I just think they make a mistake
Speaker 1: because sometimes it seems like they think safety has no
Speaker 1: value at all. Um. I think Grant Delpitt and Xavier
Speaker 1: McKinney are better prospects than those cornerbacks, but they play
Speaker 1: at least important position. So that's a that's a really
Speaker 1: interesting debate. I think I would go with the safety.
Speaker 1: But if you're just convinced that Digs can do what
Speaker 1: you want him to based on his athleticism and his
Speaker 1: track record, I can at least see the logic even
Speaker 1: if I don't agree with the decision. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and start the game. I see a
Speaker 1: lot of people asking about Dak in the whole situation
Speaker 1: right now, So C, no, would you entertain the idea
Speaker 1: of possibly trading Dak ce or no? No? Yes? See entertain, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say I'll entertain. Entertain is a vague, vague term
Speaker 1: that's an easy out. Yeah, I'll entertain it. What am
Speaker 1: I getting? Okay? You know you know what that means though,
Speaker 1: Like would you be up for it to actually make
Speaker 1: a move like that and trade Dak and to go
Speaker 1: up and get more picks in the draft, obviously a
Speaker 1: higher one. Okay, it doesn't guarantee me a better quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm not in. I'm not interested. And I mean guarantee
Speaker 1: me a better quarterback, I'm not interested. Okay, Well, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I think you listen. I mean, the price
Speaker 1: would be two first two number ones and and and
Speaker 1: two number ones. But it's not like it's the twenty
Speaker 1: eight pick this year and probably the you know, twenty
Speaker 1: eighth pick next years. I don't think that's what you
Speaker 1: want to do. I think it would have to be
Speaker 1: a team that have sitting at twelve or thirteen that
Speaker 1: wanted to one of those guys to fall to them,
Speaker 1: and they didn't. So now they're offering you that and
Speaker 1: then next year's number one. Think about that. I don't
Speaker 1: even know who that is, the twelfth pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: and and then next year's one. But but Nick, that's
Speaker 1: where I look at it. I say, it's got to
Speaker 1: be a team that I think is one of the
Speaker 1: worst five teams in the league. Because if you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a quarterback in the draft that's gonna be replacing Dak,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna strike. You know, you're not gonna You
Speaker 1: can't bet on the fact that you're gonna that you're
Speaker 1: gonna strike, like like you struck with Dak in the
Speaker 1: fourth round. You need to be up there at the
Speaker 1: top of the draft. And so even at twelve, the
Speaker 1: likelihood that you're gonna get a franchise type quarterback at
Speaker 1: twelve is not It's unlikely. So Dave, what would you do? Then?
Speaker 1: I know exactly what Dave would do now. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. What is it about Dak that scares people
Speaker 1: and pisses people off so much. It's not his level
Speaker 1: of play, it's not his character, it's not any of that.
Speaker 1: Fans are absolutely terrified of cap hits decimating the ability
Speaker 1: to build a complete team, right, Like, if they can
Speaker 1: just keep having Dak on this cap hit, nobody would complain.
Speaker 1: But if Dak's making seventeen percent of the salary cap,
Speaker 1: that's when people start to get freaked because all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you supposedly can't surround him with talent anymore.
Speaker 1: So if I'm the Miami Dolphins and I have a
Speaker 1: chance to draft one of these three quarterbacks to play
Speaker 1: for me for five years at a ridiculously low cap
Speaker 1: hit and build a ridiculously deep team around him, why
Speaker 1: am I giving that up to do the same thing?
Speaker 1: And like, the Dolphins have cap space, but so they're trading.
Speaker 1: You know, the Dolphins would have to give up two
Speaker 1: of their three first round picks on top of some
Speaker 1: other stuff and then pay Dak and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they don't have any of the flexibility that puts them
Speaker 1: in such an enviable position, Which is why I just
Speaker 1: don't I just don't think it's realistic because the teams
Speaker 1: that want quarterbacks would rather take their chances on a
Speaker 1: cheap one than turn around and have to pay a
Speaker 1: really expensive Why that's why I didn't say five. I
Speaker 1: said twelve. Those teams did twelve. They didn't get any
Speaker 1: of those three. So and Derek said, no, he probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that out But I mean, what if you
Speaker 1: do that? What if you trade two number ones and
Speaker 1: then you get Cam on a one year deal, you
Speaker 1: immediately I mean, is Cam, what if is Cam better
Speaker 1: than Dak? Does Cam have the longevity of Dak? Like,
Speaker 1: I think there are too many questions with with with
Speaker 1: Cam right now for me to say I'm Desk going
Speaker 1: to be a chance I'm willing to take honestly that
Speaker 1: but is i't go ahead. I was just saying I
Speaker 1: would entertain it. And when when you're talking about Dak,
Speaker 1: this will this will be my third one of the show.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about Dak, I think the term
Speaker 1: entertained has been mentioned several times this week, and I
Speaker 1: think that I would entertain just if someone wants to talk, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen. You better come strong though, because I'm
Speaker 1: not looking to part with him. But yeah, if you're gonna,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna call, you know, virtually, let's we'll talk.
Speaker 1: I'm not trading Dak unless it leads me to a
Speaker 1: clear path for a potential upgrade. So like in your
Speaker 1: in your theoretical world, they're trading they're getting the twelfth
Speaker 1: pick in this year's draft. Sure, I just under nick scenario. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the next year I have to trade away
Speaker 1: of fortune to try to get up and draft Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence or something like that. I don't know because Cam,
Speaker 1: I know I was. I expressed expressed interest in him
Speaker 1: last week, but like, he's not the long term solution
Speaker 1: to your quarterback problem. So unless you give me a
Speaker 1: path toward one of the three in this year years draft,
Speaker 1: or like Trevor Lawrence next year, it's just not very
Speaker 1: enticing to me. I'd rather you know, one in the
Speaker 1: hand is worth two in the bush, as they like
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, and I mean part of that for
Speaker 1: me is I lived through years of the Cowboys not
Speaker 1: having a quarterback. If I'm if I'm a Cowboys owner
Speaker 1: or decision maker with the Cowboys, I never want to
Speaker 1: be back in that position because you have no chance
Speaker 1: of winning on Sundays when you don't have a quarterback
Speaker 1: in this league. So I have a quarterback. I feel like,
Speaker 1: whatever his words are, I have a quarterback. I feel
Speaker 1: good about that quarterback. I'm doing whatever I have to
Speaker 1: do to keep that quarterback. All right. Well, we've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about the defense and then also the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position. Do you see the Cowboys drafting and interior
Speaker 1: linemen in the top four rounds? You know, I was
Speaker 1: about to mention that earlier about what about javon Kinlaw.
Speaker 1: We haven't really talked about him in that scenario, but
Speaker 1: I think the signings of McCoy and Poe. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you don't draft a guy, but I think you
Speaker 1: can get to get a good idea of what kind
Speaker 1: of tackle they're looking for. And I'm not sure Javon
Speaker 1: Kin Law is that guy. I'm talking about the old line.
Speaker 1: I thought you said d Line. I'm sorry too, Okay,
Speaker 1: oh line first four rounds? M Yeah, maybe in TI
Speaker 1: a flexible guy that can play a little bit center
Speaker 1: and guard. If that's a good value. I could see
Speaker 1: that Dave's got a tackle in the fourth round, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they're doing there, if they are doing their job
Speaker 1: the right way, the only positions that should be off
Speaker 1: of the board, like just no consideration at all is
Speaker 1: running back. That's the only position that they should just
Speaker 1: be like, no, we really can't justify that this early.
Speaker 1: Everything else is on the table. They don't have a
Speaker 1: proven swing tackle, they just lost their all pro center,
Speaker 1: they don't have a slot receiver, they only have two
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, they don't have a right end their cornerback.
Speaker 1: The chart is shaky, and both of their starting safeties
Speaker 1: are on one year deals. Like, you could convince me
Speaker 1: to draft anything, and if they're being true to their board,
Speaker 1: they shouldn't rule out anything except running back, because I
Speaker 1: can't see that. I will say this though, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about priorities, I think offensive lineman would be a
Speaker 1: lower end of the priority because I think when you
Speaker 1: start thinking about like a swing tackle, I think those
Speaker 1: are guys that you can look out on free agency.
Speaker 1: There will be guys. I guarantee there will be guys
Speaker 1: that when the Cowmen, when the NFL teams make their
Speaker 1: final cuts, there'll be some veteran guy that will be
Speaker 1: a swing tackle type that the Cowboys could go out
Speaker 1: and get. So't I don't put this in the context
Speaker 1: of as important as trying to get another receiver or
Speaker 1: trying to get a cornerback or a safety or even
Speaker 1: a defensive end for that matter. But yes, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Dave from the standpoint that there's really not
Speaker 1: any There's no position other than running back, and you
Speaker 1: could actually convince me that fullback you might maybe you should.
Speaker 1: There's no position other than tailback that I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys shouldn't at least give some thought too, if there's
Speaker 1: value there. I'm not going to be the least bit
Speaker 1: surprised when some front office and coaching types tell us
Speaker 1: not to sleep on Brandon night, just for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I could make a case for
Speaker 1: just about any position at any range of the draft.
Speaker 1: All right, do we have time for another question? Or now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: One more? All right? Well, do you think based on
Speaker 1: everything that has happened? Obviously there's no point because we
Speaker 1: can't go back in time anymore. But do you think
Speaker 1: that the fact that the Cowboys coaching staff did not
Speaker 1: go to the Combine will play a role into how
Speaker 1: that it's going to affect them in the long run
Speaker 1: due to the fact that there are no many pro
Speaker 1: days happening or any of that stuff. Well, they went
Speaker 1: to the Combine. It was the Senior Bowl that they skipped. Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Oh, I mean, yeah, it's it's not well, no, Honestly,
Speaker 1: the fact if they had missed the Combine yet, liked
Speaker 1: you know, the Denver Broncos and the La Rams didn't
Speaker 1: send their staffs to the Combine. I do wonder if
Speaker 1: they regret that now, because that's forty five fifty interviews
Speaker 1: that their coaches didn't have a chance to be a
Speaker 1: part of. I'm sure they filmed them, but still not
Speaker 1: the same. I think that's going to be a challenge
Speaker 1: for every team in the league is it's a very
Speaker 1: limited opportunity to get your hands on these guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't do it at all. All you got is
Speaker 1: is video calls, which seems like a poor substitute. So
Speaker 1: this draft has a lot of potential for wonkiness in
Speaker 1: my opinion. And let's also be clear about the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: The scouts were there and you know the coaches. The
Speaker 1: coaches were not. The scouts were there, and I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Senior Bowl, most league we're talking
Speaker 1: about you know, mid round or maybe second round guys,
Speaker 1: and there are some first rounders for sure, But I
Speaker 1: think that it will just weigh a little bit more
Speaker 1: on the scouts, which I'm not sure is a bad thing,
Speaker 1: so that it's not like they just totally neglected at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, but I just think from some of
Speaker 1: those players, the coaches are allowed to rely on the scouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I am interested to see if this year
Speaker 1: in the draft teams come out of the draft feeling like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe in the future, we ought to not
Speaker 1: go to some of these things and not put as
Speaker 1: much into all these interviews, because when you think about it,
Speaker 1: all you do when you start getting to this point
Speaker 1: of the draft or the draft process, is you talk
Speaker 1: yourself out of what you've already seen on tape, right.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if a lot of teams will come
Speaker 1: out of this saying, you know, we're going to rely
Speaker 1: a lot more on what a guy did on the
Speaker 1: field then we're going to rely on these other things.
Speaker 1: We'll still have some interviews with them virtually, we'll still
Speaker 1: get their times and stuff like that, but spend a
Speaker 1: little less time on that and maybe a little more
Speaker 1: time on just the film and how they actually performed
Speaker 1: when they were playing football. I wonder how many teams
Speaker 1: will come out of this and feel like they drafted
Speaker 1: better doing that than than all the other things that
Speaker 1: they would typically do in a draft season. I think
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for that. But I like,
Speaker 1: I think about the thirty visits and we all know
Speaker 1: how important that's been for the Cowboys, And I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many times over the last like six
Speaker 1: seven years, I've heard a drastically different opinion post visit
Speaker 1: as opposed to pre and obvious. I mean, the tape
Speaker 1: is what matters at the end of the day. But
Speaker 1: you get a chance to spend eighteen twenty four hours
Speaker 1: with these guys and they can either impress you or
Speaker 1: in some cases, I've even heard of just completely turning
Speaker 1: the entire organization off based on the way they handled themselves.
Speaker 1: And I think I think teams still really value that,
Speaker 1: and I think they miss it right now because I
Speaker 1: just don't think you can get the same experience over
Speaker 1: a zoom call. But my question for that would be
Speaker 1: how many time, Well, I was gonna say my question
Speaker 1: for that is how many times that has that been right? Though?
Speaker 1: Has that proven to be right? The impression that you
Speaker 1: got to the guy when you met him changed your opinion.
Speaker 1: Did he end up being a really good player and
Speaker 1: you thought that maybe he wasn't, Or did he end
Speaker 1: up being a poor player but he convinced you how
Speaker 1: good of a person he was that you went ahead
Speaker 1: and drafted him. So again, I don't know if that
Speaker 1: necessarily is even a good thing for them When you
Speaker 1: look at the overall of how this is. You know
Speaker 1: how this all turns out what you say, am rup,
Speaker 1: Sorry Brett for cutting y'all. No, I was just I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, not that this happens a lot,
Speaker 1: but an example is when you look at what happened
Speaker 1: with Tackle Charlton and just you know, I think those
Speaker 1: interactions are important because in the long run, you saw
Speaker 1: how that played out, like he did not fit with
Speaker 1: this group of guys and their dynamic, and I think
Speaker 1: that was the biggest issue with him, aside from his
Speaker 1: on field performance, was more being a part of the
Speaker 1: group and clicking with them. And I know from previous
Speaker 1: conversations that I've had in the past with Will McClay,
Speaker 1: I know that they value a lot those like personality
Speaker 1: assessments and just getting to know the players and just
Speaker 1: really seeing how that person would fit into the group
Speaker 1: and seeing how that plays out. I think that's a
Speaker 1: lot and me I always talk about analyzing players and
Speaker 1: the way they move, the way they talk, the way
Speaker 1: they carry themselves. I think it does play a big role.
Speaker 1: It'll all be interesting. We'll see how it plays out
Speaker 1: this jat because every team, every team the NFL will
Speaker 1: have the same situation where they will not have been
Speaker 1: able to do the same sort of in person due
Speaker 1: diligence that they've done in the past, but it'll be
Speaker 1: an interesting, interesting experiment. We'll appreciate you guys join us.
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