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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, April fifteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, Episode

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Speaker 1: number five. Welcome to another edition of The Break. We

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Speaker 1: are live at our homes. We're not the s WBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios, but we do appreciate them for sponsoring our studio.

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Speaker 1: But I got Nick Dave Amber here with me. We're

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Speaker 1: talking Cowboys football. If you guys for the next hour,

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Speaker 1: glad you can join us today. We got a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into. We're gonna talk about this new virtual

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Speaker 1: offseason that the Cowboys and the rest of the NFL

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Speaker 1: will be kicking off here in April. We have some

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Speaker 1: mock drafts. Nick and Dave both put together mock drafts

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Speaker 1: through seven rounds that will let them dive into and

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Speaker 1: give us some feedback on what they think the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: will do. And then we're gonna continue our position analysis. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the wide receiver position. Lots of

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Speaker 1: things to talk about there. How's everybody doing today? Good? Great, good,

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Speaker 1: good good. Let's jump right in. Let's start with this

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Speaker 1: virtual offseason the Cowboys at well. The NFL announced this

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Speaker 1: week that teams will be able to start their virtual

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Speaker 1: off seasons. Tell me how that works. I think April

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Speaker 1: twenty is the date the Cowboys can start. What does

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Speaker 1: that look like? What is this virtual offseason going to

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Speaker 1: look like? I think there's an emoji on your phone

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Speaker 1: Like I really I don't know. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Dave might have a better answer, Amber might have a

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Speaker 1: better answer, but like, I just think they're gonna try

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Speaker 1: But I have no idea how they're able and they're

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Speaker 1: and hope hopefully everybody kind of understands that. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: i'd laughed when Derek asked the question, because how on

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Speaker 1: Earth are we supposed to know for sure what it

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Speaker 1: looks like. Um, just reading you know, the league's release

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Speaker 1: I assume it's gonna be a bunch of extensive zoom calls,

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Speaker 1: I would assume, buy position group and offense and defense,

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Speaker 1: think there's a stipulation that probably my favorite part is

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Speaker 1: like for players of a certain experience range, teams have

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Speaker 1: to provide like up to fifteen hundred dollars for workout equipment.

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Speaker 1: So if you remember we talked about that last week, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's anybody's guess exactly how this is all going to work.

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Speaker 1: But what would he be doing having a party? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would he what would he be doing other than this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like that's the weird part about money. But Nick,

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Speaker 1: the best player available at eighty two, could get yourself

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Speaker 1: a heck of a swing tackle and a potential air

429
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Speaker 1: to either of your tackle spots. I think that's good value.

430
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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys need to come out of the

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Speaker 1: first four rounds with a wide receiver. I went with

432
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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, junior out of USC almost won the Blitnikoff

433
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Speaker 1: Award in college last year. I don't know how realistic

434
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Speaker 1: it is in the fourth round, but as long as

435
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Speaker 1: they find a receiver in the first four rounds, I

436
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Speaker 1: think he could contribute in an early stage. I think

437
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman absolutely could contribute early. I rounded it out

438
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: with my Day three picks Dan Jackson out of pitt cornerback.

439
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: I would love it if they doubled up on the position. Um,

440
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: he really impressed me at the Senior Bowl. James Lynch

441
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: out of Baylor's a big, beefy d lineman that that

442
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: we know that they've talked to, they've shown interest in him.

443
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Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, like we talked about

444
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: last week, they probably need a depth linebacker. UM, you know,

445
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: not necessarily a starter, but a guy that can bolster

446
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: that depth chart. So I went with Sean Bradley out

447
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Speaker 1: of Temple in the seventh round. UM. I don't feel

448
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Speaker 1: great about a lot of the names, but if they

449
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: came out of the draft addressing all those positions, I'd

450
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Speaker 1: feel decent about it. I had a couple of questions

451
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: for you on that one. Dave talk about the cornerback

452
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Speaker 1: Noah and I'm not gonna butcher his last name. Tell

453
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Speaker 1: me how he good anyway? Um So tell me how

454
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: he played against LSU and Alabama because obviously there are

455
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: first first round wide receiver projected first round wide receivers

456
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: on both those teams. How well did he perform against

457
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: those two teams in particular? Honestly, that's what sold me

458
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: on Noah is And I don't say this because I'm

459
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: a Homer. You can go watch the tape. LSU embarrassed

460
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: a lot of dbs this year. Trevon Diggs out of

461
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Alabama as another cornerback that is in consideration as a

462
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: first or second round pick. A lot of people don't

463
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Speaker 1: like him, and I swear it's completely because LSU just

464
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: torched him. I mean, he couldn't do anything with LSU's receivers.

465
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: I thought Higbanagen he played really well. He manned up

466
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Speaker 1: on Jamar Chase, who was the bulit and a coof

467
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: Award winner last year, did a really fantastic job with it.

468
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: LSU only scored twenty three points in that game, easily

469
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Speaker 1: their least explosive performance of the season. A lot of

470
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Speaker 1: that it's because Auburn's pass rush is so legit. Obviously

471
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could use some help there as well. But

472
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Speaker 1: Igbanogeny again, like they put him out there on an

473
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Speaker 1: island against those guys, and he held his own. His

474
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: parents were track stars, He's very athletic. If you were

475
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Speaker 1: going to draft him, I think you would do it

476
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Speaker 1: with the idea that he would play a lot of

477
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: manned defense. You know, he's not a can't miss prospect

478
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: or else he wouldn't be targeted in the second round.

479
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: But I feel good that he could contribute at an

480
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Speaker 1: early stage of his career. The other question I had

481
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: for you is on Michael Pittman, junior wide receiver from

482
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Speaker 1: USC Can he play the slot because that seems to

483
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: be the position where the Cowboys really needs some help.

484
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna say he couldn't, but I

485
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: don't view him as a slot receiver. He's a big

486
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: bodied outside guy. And yeah, I mean, I'm with you.

487
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: There's a dozen slot receivers that I think make more sense.

488
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: But think about the fact that Amari Cooper and Michael

489
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Gallup can both move inside and outside. I think back

490
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Speaker 1: in the day you were kind of hamstrung into pigeonholing

491
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Speaker 1: these guys because guys like des b Is that him?

492
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: What's that? Is that him? Number six? Right there in

493
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: the middle. I clicked away from our feed. Sorry, yeah, yeah,

494
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: I guess it is. I mean he's like leading the

495
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: cheers there. I mean, I don't want him to step

496
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: on Amara Cooper's role, because that's exactly what Amark Cooper

497
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: is going to be doing, is sitting in the middle

498
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: of the receivers like that. He was actually, uh, Pittman

499
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: was one of the finalists for Jason Witten's Collegiate Man

500
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: of the Year award. Like he's done a lot of

501
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: stuff in the in the LA community. It seems to

502
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: be a really hard Is that going to be hosted

503
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: this year? Where's that going to be hosted this year?

504
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just derailing the whole thing. Sorry,

505
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I was about to say, you're just ow I got

506
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: the toilet paper? You good? Were I haven't brought out

507
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: the toilet paper. Yeah, it's over there, so all right,

508
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: all right, I am paying attention to what you're saying. Okay,

509
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Pittman's Pittman's not a slot guy, but Cooper

510
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: and Gallup can both play in the slot, so it

511
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me as much, although there are other receivers

512
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Speaker 1: that I think fit better here. Okay, Nick, let's jump

513
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Speaker 1: into your your mock draft. Give us your seven guys. Yeah,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, I just like Dave. I take a safety

515
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: there at seventeen. I don't know if I feel great

516
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: about it now. Xavier McKinney at I've Adlabama. I probably

517
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: would rather have delpit I think. But but Xavier McKinney

518
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: just because he's like on the cover of the magazine,

519
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: I guess that for us that I guess McKinney is too.

520
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know just because Delpitt's he's he's been

521
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: a better college player, because he's been a two time

522
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: All American, and I would rather have him. But I

523
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: think McKinney, uh, you know, he's got some good size

524
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: to him as well. So if they go with the safety,

525
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't think they can go wrong either one of

526
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: those two. But when we do the next mock draft

527
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Speaker 1: next week, I don't think I'll be picking Xavier McKinney,

528
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: and I doubt that Dave will be picking delp It.

529
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Speaker 1: But in the second round, I went Cameron Danceler or

530
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Speaker 1: cornerback from Mississippi State. I know that Christmas Shard's not

531
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: here anymore, but I still think that they're going to

532
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: probably go with that bigger corner. Al Harris was a

533
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Speaker 1: big corner and I think Danceler kind of fits that role,

534
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of tall and rangie. Third round, Texas Devin Duvernet.

535
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Speaker 1: I just think the speed track guy that I've been

536
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: looking for for a long long time. I think he

537
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: would be a perfect slot guy, good punt returner, kick returner.

538
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: The fourth round, I took the Missouri tight end, and

539
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna call him. I think they call

540
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: him Albert. I'm not I'm not even gonna even an

541
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: attempt for the last name. Maybe Dave's got that one,

542
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: but you know, just just give him some depth there.

543
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: In the fourth round, they tried with Dalton Schultz. I

544
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: don't think that really worked out, and you know, I

545
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: could see them maybe taking another stab at it. Blake

546
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: Bell is going to be the second tight end, but

547
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: maybe a fourth rounder would work. Evan Weaver in the

548
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: fifth round if he if he's there, I think he's

549
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: a productive linebacker at CAL. I took Telvin a game

550
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: from Arkansas because you have to take an Arkansas guy.

551
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: But I just think he's he's a he's a big

552
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: defensive tackle that that's doing. You know, he's kind of

553
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the fact that he wasn't invited to

554
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: the combine to the last minute and he had a

555
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: really good, um, I'm sorry, Senior Bowl, had a really

556
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: good Senior Bowl there. And then in the seventh round,

557
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: just took a corner Reggie Robinson from Tulsa, Like Dave said,

558
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: doubling up on a position of need. If you can

559
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: get two corners out of this, I think that that

560
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: will be good. Yeah. I see that both you and

561
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: Dave went defense in the first two rounds. Are you

562
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: guys convinced that this is going to be a defense

563
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: heavy because if you take defense first two rounds, to me,

564
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: regardless of what you do the rest of the draft,

565
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: it becomes defense heavy. Do you got your guests convince

566
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be defense heavy this year? I think we're

567
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: all convinced on this show that it's going to be

568
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: defense heavy. Yes, I know I Amberfield absolutely and they

569
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: need it. They need it. But I have a different question.

570
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: You both said that, well, you both went for a

571
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: safety on the first round, and that was a month ago,

572
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: and you said that you don't necessarily feel the same

573
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: as of right now. So therefore, what would be your

574
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: different pick at this moment that you think the Coboys

575
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: would go for. I'm a thinking receiver. I don't know.

576
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I think Dave has got me brainwashing into thinking it's

577
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: going to be a receiver. But ironically I'm not even

578
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: saying that. But well, no, no, no brainwashing me to

579
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: think that that's gonna be the best value. That that's

580
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: that's where it's seventeen. That's that's where the best guy's

581
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be. And you know, when you think about

582
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: it from a standpoint of you need three receivers to play,

583
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: and he will be a starter. I mean, Randall Cobb

584
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: was a starter. I why not drafted a wide receiver there?

585
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think they need defensive h you know, playmakers,

586
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: but I just think the value is going to be

587
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: their receiver. It just depends. It's oh, go ahead, Derek, sorry, good,

588
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: no quick, But it's just it's really hard to pay,

589
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: it's really hard to peg how the picks like ten

590
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: through seventeen are gonna go. There's I mean, there's there

591
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: are three receivers that would be worth running to the

592
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: podium to draft at seventeen. I don't know if any

593
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: of them fall that far. How many offensive tackles go

594
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: ahead of the Cowboys and push other players down the line?

595
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: Same thing with quarterbacks, like are there going to be

596
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: three drafted in the first or you know three or four?

597
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Is Jordan Love gonna be available when the Cowboys pick?

598
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: If one of those three receivers is there, I agree

599
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: with Nick or Mate, you know, you could talk me

600
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: into Justin Jefferson easy. But the name that I just,

601
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: the name that I keep coming back to is Calvan

602
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Chason and if he's there, his upside and natural talent,

603
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: plus the fact that the Cowboys desperately need edge rushers,

604
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense for me to ignore.

605
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: But that's where I have the question of I think

606
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: I've heard more. I've heard more potential downside for chas

607
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: On than I've heard for either Judy or Lamb. So

608
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: that's where I start wondering, is this a situation where

609
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: the value of what you can get. I have a

610
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: hard time thinking that a Judy or Lamb, and I

611
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: like Rugs too, but but I really think Judy and Lamb,

612
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: if either one of them is there at seventeen, I'm

613
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: hard pressed to think that any other player that's there

614
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: at seventeen is a better talent than either of those

615
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: two guys. And I still believe personally that the wide

616
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: receiver position is a position of need for them, just

617
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: like defensive end is. Because right now, who you're going

618
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: to run out there in three wide receiver sets? Because

619
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't think they have that guy right now. I

620
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: completely agree with you, And further record, if CD Lamb

621
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: or Jerry Judy is there at seventeen, that's who I

622
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: would draft. I don't really think that's plausible. They're both

623
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: way too good, I agree. And there's two I've seen

624
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: wide receivers fall sometimes. Yeah, I've seen I've seen wide

625
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: receivers fall sometime. And I think in a draft like

626
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: this one where everybody says, man, you could get a

627
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the fourth or fifth round that may

628
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: be a really great player. It does make me wonder

629
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: if teams will say, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and

630
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: go with something else in the first round and see

631
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: how far I can go before I have to go

632
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: with a wide receiver because I think I love a

633
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: guy that I can get in the third round who

634
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: might be just as valuable to my team as if

635
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: I were going to spend it in the first round.

636
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: That is, it is the ultimate test of like best

637
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: available player verse, do you draft for need? Because I

638
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: feel way way more confident that Jerry Judy or Cede

639
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Lamb will be a productive NFL player than Caleb and

640
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Speaker 1: Chase on And I also feel way better trying to

641
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Speaker 1: trot Alden Smith and Randy Gregory out at right ind

642
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: than I do trying to work with what they have

643
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: at receiver three right now, like they have essentially nothing.

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you. Can I give my prediction of

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Speaker 1: what I think is going to happen? Though, Yeah, I

646
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: think at seventeen we've seen this. I've seen this twice

647
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: since I've been here, and I see it happening again.

648
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Speaker 1: The Cowboys get to seventeen, the Utah State quarterback right

649
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: Jordan and love Yep, I think he'll be He'll be there,

650
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: and I think Jerry will be on the phone trying

651
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, maybe the Patriots, to see how

652
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: bad somebody wants to take Jordan Love and try to

653
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: move down and try to you know. And I think

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00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: that when a guy, when a team is going to

655
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Speaker 1: get a quarterback, they pay a little bit more, don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not saying trade this year's for

657
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: next year's one. I'm not saying that. But I could

658
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: see them, you know, maybe moving back a little bit

659
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: out of that spot there's like collect some picks. Would

660
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Speaker 1: you guys be disappointed in that? Especially if there's talent

661
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: like let's say Chase On and one of those receivers

662
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: is available at that point, would you guys be disappointed

663
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys moved back now? Because what if you

664
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Speaker 1: move back to twenty five and still get Delpit or

665
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: McKinney or one of the safeties you want, and then

666
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: you picked up an extra second or third by doing so.

667
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta see how it plays out. They

668
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: were crucified for what they did in two thousand and

669
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: thirteen and to take a center and ended up being

670
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: arguably the best center in Cowboys history. So that's gonna

671
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: be the interesting That'll be the interesting thing for me though,

672
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: because obviously the pick worked out, but that was a

673
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: bad trade, Like the Cowboys didn't get nearly as much

674
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: as they should have because they wanted to bail out

675
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: of the pick more than anybody else wanted to come up.

676
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: So if Jordan Love would be the player in question,

677
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: they could stand to get a lot more out of

678
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: the trade, which would be a lot more exciting. I

679
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: would be disappointed if they traded away from one of

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00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 1: those three receivers, because I think that's worth the pick.

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00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: But anybody else, I mean, I doubt it. But Jason

682
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: could fall to twenty four. It's possible. Um, And even

683
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: if he doesn't, Yeah, at twenty four, you feel way

684
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: better about drafting a safety. There are other receivers you

685
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: could consider at twenty four, whether it's Jordan Jefferson or

686
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: excuse me, justin Jefferson. There's so many Jefferson's, Um, there's

687
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: other cornerbacks, Jeff Gladney, you probably feel decent about taking

688
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: in that range. Like I feel great about my options

689
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: in a trade back, especially if I add, you know,

690
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: a second or third round pick to to my draft hall.

691
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: I watched the TCU receiver Jane then Rager and I thought, man,

692
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: he would fit. He seems like he would fit perfectly

693
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: in what they're trying to do. But I mean, yeah,

694
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: he's a local guy. But I mean, but I just

695
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: got not so much at seventeen. But maybe if you

696
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: move back, but if they really know what they're trying

697
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: to do though, Like that's my thing. I keep going

698
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: back and forth on what I'm used to seeing from

699
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: this seem under Jason Garrett and then now with Mike McCarthy, Like,

700
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: like what side of the ball do they value more?

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00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Does he value more? You know? Like what does he

702
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: feel that he needs to make stronger? You know, because

703
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: some teams prefer having a heavier defense versus an offense,

704
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: and then some others go with offense. And based on

705
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: what we were able to see last year with what

706
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore was able to do with the offense and

707
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: making them number one around the league. So like, I

708
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: don't know, I still feel although they need a wide

709
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: receiver for sure, I still feel that they can still

710
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: make it happen without necessarily drafting a receiver in the

711
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: first round. And maybe so again, this is a draft

712
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: that has a lot of receivers in it. So maybe

713
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: third or fourth round is a place where they feel

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00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: like they can get a guy that can come in

715
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: and immediately start at it in the slot. I mean,

716
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: you guys know how much I have affection for Duvernet.

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00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: There are other guys like that that will be available

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00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: in later rounds that you could bring in and be

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Speaker 1: an im media player for you. So maybe that is

720
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Speaker 1: the to go. I just feel like when you're talking

721
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: about Judy and Lamb specifically, those two guys, in my opinion,

722
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: are talented to the point where you're getting a steal

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Speaker 1: if you get them at seventeen. And I thought, that's

724
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: where I feel like you just get. You go for

725
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: the value at that point more so than you go

726
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: for what you what you may think you need more.

727
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I thought we had a really good mail bad question

728
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: a couple days ago about that, and it was saying,

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00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, why do you have to go get a

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00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley or west Welco or Randall Cobbs slot guy.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you just get a wide receiver if on

732
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: third downs, if Amara, Cooper or Gallop can slide inside

733
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: to play that that they can. But I mean, go

734
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: get you a good wide receiver doesn't have to be

735
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Speaker 1: five eleven, one eighty. And I thought that was a

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00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: good point. I mean, we think about that, but but

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00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you just need three wide receivers. And

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00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: he's right, the guy that asked the question, because Amary

739
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Cooper can play in the slot and so can Gallop.

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00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting that, you know, DuVernay

741
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: and all that would fit perfectly and Jalen Rigor. But

742
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: if the guys six four and two twenty. The guy

743
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of is Iowa State. Is he in this draft?

744
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: Dave that was last year? Last year? Whatever? They all run,

745
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: but run together. I'm thinking Lazard or something. Yeah, oh no,

746
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: that's the guy plays for the Packers. I know, yeah, Butler,

747
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking of a really big go getter,

748
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, Dez Bryant type guy. If he's there, Hey,

749
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: he could be the third receiver. Yeah. And I'll say this,

750
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to get a slot receiver.

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00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: I do think if you get somebody who's really good

752
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: at it, like Duberne, then that still would be good

753
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: for your team because you can still leave those guys

754
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: on the outside. So I don't I don't think you

755
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: have to do it that I agree with you old hardily.

756
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to, and that does give you some

757
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: flexibility in what you might decide to draft here with

758
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. But you do need a

759
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: punt returner. You do need somebody that can do that.

760
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: And they've watched Pollard how to do it. Teach Tony

761
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: Pollard how to do it. You'll be fine. Um, I'm

762
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: fine with that. The guy, the guy you want to

763
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: go watch nick is Leaviscas Channault. Um, he's your big

764
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: body guy, and twenty four would be Yeah, twenty four

765
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: would be fine. Maybe a little early, but not the

766
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: end of the world. What are you gonna say? Is

767
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: he a Dallas take guy? Yeah, local guy. He's a

768
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: DeSoto guy. Yeah? Oh yeah, which yeah, another thing I

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00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: want to talk, I know, a brainwashing and you guys

770
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: are really switching my thinking over here. Like I've been

771
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: stuck with defense since forever, with the freaking safety position,

772
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: and then now cornerback that's also an issue. But I

773
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: gus sorry, just think I got in this argument with

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00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Neuis Scrugs on Twitter, like last week, think back to

775
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. They fixed the defense in one fell swoop,

776
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: and I mean like they did a decent job. I

777
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: mean they found three starters in that draft, but they

778
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 1: draft did Taco. They drafted Cheeto, Jordan Lewis, and even

779
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: throw An Xavier Woods. What did those guys do as rookies?

780
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: Like they played and they contributed, but none of them

781
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: was in every game starter. You know, they had Xavier

782
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Woods playing nickelback just because injuries forced them to. Taco

783
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: was rotational at best. Injuries kept Cheeto and Jordan from

784
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: being full time contributors now at Like, so even if

785
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: you go all defense, what are the odds that you're

786
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: going to hit on guys that are just ready to

787
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: go right away, as opposed to drafting a third receiver

788
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: who has two eleven hundred yard caliber guys taking the

789
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: pressure off him. Allah Calvin Ridley in Atlanta two years ago,

790
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: who had eight hundred yards and ten touchdowns as a rookie.

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00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: By the way, I just think if you're looking for

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00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: immediate impact, I think it's way more likely you're going

793
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: to get it from a wide receiver. You know, Dave,

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00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: you just changed my mind actually by saying all that,

795
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: and I'd go and now I'm going back to corner,

796
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: because you're right, all those guys they didn't contribute at all,

797
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: And so where's my corner going to be? Second round,

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00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: third round, fifth round, both? So now he's got to

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00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: be seventeen then, because he's got I got to give

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00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: him the best chance for my corner to come play.

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00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: Because they picked on Cheetah. Who's my number one guy?

802
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is you know, I think he's a good

803
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: corner and he's a playmaker, but I don't think he'd

804
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: be great on the outside all the time. And Anthony

805
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: Brown is Anthony Brown. I need an the frontline guy.

806
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: So now I don't know if I can wait now

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00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: in my corner. You made it such a good point.

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00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: Now I disagree with you now, but I still think

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00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: that comes back to who's available to you at seventeen.

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Speaker 1: What quarterback is there? And if it's a cornerback that

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Speaker 1: you think is as good as one of those other guys,

812
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: in great, If not, I don't think you press for it.

813
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: I think both of them are needs for you reach.

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00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: That's me reaching you got to reach. It's a fascint

815
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Speaker 1: guess conversation. I mean, they need to come out of

816
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: this draft with a quality cornerback, a quality They don't

817
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: need an edge rusher, but it would be nice. They

818
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: need they need defensive backs and a receiver, and they

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00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: need them to be good. Yep, yep, center, those are

820
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: positions they need for this year. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: you look at the defensive end position. There's still some

822
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: guys on in free agency that are still out there

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Speaker 1: that that you could possibly pull in if you needed

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00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: more help there. I don't know that you have the

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00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: same that You can say the same thing about cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: and wide receivers. So draft you where you really have

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Speaker 1: the whole first round topic real quick. If the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: where to select a defensive back with the first round

893
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: at this moment, which position do you think that has

894
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: the most value? Safety or cornerback? Because we keep going

895
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: back and forth, so based on your observations of the

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00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: team right now, which one of those two positions do

897
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: you think would be better for the team. I'll say

898
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: corner because I think you know Zaberwoods has started and

899
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: ha ha Clinton Dix has started. And I think those

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Speaker 1: two guys together, you know, are probably wouldn't be the

901
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: worst duo in the NFL. But Geeto and Jordan Lewis

902
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 1: and Anthony Browns, is your three corners that that needs

903
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: some work and so I would think there'd be more

904
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: value at corner if you could get it, if it's even.

905
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: If it's not even, then you want to take value.

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00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask that question with a question, Dave and Nick,

907
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: do you guys the only corner I've really heard that's

908
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: the caliber that would be selected at seventeen is Henderson

909
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: and questionable whether he'll be there. Are there other corners

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00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: that would be in that range? Because if not, I

911
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: don't think you reach for a corner. I think you

912
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: take one of those two safeties. But are there other

913
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: corners that would possibly be there if Henderson, let's say,

914
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: has already gone, that will be worth the seventeenth pick.

915
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a fun question for front officers to

916
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: figure out. We as we all know, like we can

917
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: do all the work we want, watch all the tape

918
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: we want, and you're still gonna be wrong about the

919
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: way one of these teams feels about a guy like

920
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: A perfect example is the Oakland Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell

921
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: out of Clemson, the pass rusher fourth overall last year.

922
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: Nobody in the media scouting community saw that as like

923
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: a fit with his value, but the Raiders did so. Yeah.

924
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean there are cornerbacks. Trevon Diggs out of Alabama

925
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: I mentioned him earlier. Christian Fulton out of LSU is

926
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: a guy we know the Cowboys have talked to. They

927
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: published the video with him, Jeff Gladeny out of TCU.

928
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: Those are probably the next three after Henderson and obviously

929
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda, who they don't have a chance at. It's

930
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: just gonna be you know, nobody, you know, nobody in

931
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: the media thinks that it's worth that pick at seventeen,

932
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: none of those three. But that doesn't mean the Cowboys

933
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: won't feel that way. If Trevon Diggs just fits exactly

934
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: what Al Harris and Mike Nolan think they want to do,

935
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: then it might be worth it to them. But if

936
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: you're going based off of like the collective opinion of people,

937
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: it seems like a reach. If Henderson's not there and

938
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: you would take one of the two safeties in that

939
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: instance before you would take one of those other three guys.

940
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: That's a really good question, honestly, because, like I mean,

941
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: cornerback is the more valuable position. The Cowboys aren't wrong

942
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: about that, like they are right that cornerback is more

943
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: valuable than safety. I just think they make a mistake

944
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: because sometimes it seems like they think safety has no

945
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: value at all. Um. I think Grant Delpitt and Xavier

946
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: McKinney are better prospects than those cornerbacks, but they play

947
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: at least important position. So that's a that's a really

948
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: interesting debate. I think I would go with the safety.

949
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: But if you're just convinced that Digs can do what

950
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: you want him to based on his athleticism and his

951
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: track record, I can at least see the logic even

952
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: if I don't agree with the decision. All right, well,

953
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and start the game. I see a

954
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: lot of people asking about Dak in the whole situation

955
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: right now, So C, no, would you entertain the idea

956
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: of possibly trading Dak ce or no? No? Yes? See entertain, Yeah,

957
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: I say I'll entertain. Entertain is a vague, vague term

958
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: that's an easy out. Yeah, I'll entertain it. What am

959
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: I getting? Okay? You know you know what that means though,

960
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: Like would you be up for it to actually make

961
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: a move like that and trade Dak and to go

962
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: up and get more picks in the draft, obviously a

963
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: higher one. Okay, it doesn't guarantee me a better quarterback.

964
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm not in. I'm not interested. And I mean guarantee

965
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: me a better quarterback, I'm not interested. Okay, Well, I

966
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I think you listen. I mean, the price

967
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: would be two first two number ones and and and

968
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: two number ones. But it's not like it's the twenty

969
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: eight pick this year and probably the you know, twenty

970
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: eighth pick next years. I don't think that's what you

971
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: want to do. I think it would have to be

972
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: a team that have sitting at twelve or thirteen that

973
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: wanted to one of those guys to fall to them,

974
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: and they didn't. So now they're offering you that and

975
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: then next year's number one. Think about that. I don't

976
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: even know who that is, the twelfth pick in the draft,

977
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: and and then next year's one. But but Nick, that's

978
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: where I look at it. I say, it's got to

979
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: be a team that I think is one of the

980
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: worst five teams in the league. Because if you're gonna

981
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: get a quarterback in the draft that's gonna be replacing Dak,

982
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna strike. You know, you're not gonna You

983
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: can't bet on the fact that you're gonna that you're

984
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna strike, like like you struck with Dak in the

985
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: fourth round. You need to be up there at the

986
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: top of the draft. And so even at twelve, the

987
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: likelihood that you're gonna get a franchise type quarterback at

988
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: twelve is not It's unlikely. So Dave, what would you do? Then?

989
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: I know exactly what Dave would do now. But here's

990
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: the thing. What is it about Dak that scares people

991
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: and pisses people off so much. It's not his level

992
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: of play, it's not his character, it's not any of that.

993
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: Fans are absolutely terrified of cap hits decimating the ability

994
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: to build a complete team, right, Like, if they can

995
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: just keep having Dak on this cap hit, nobody would complain.

996
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: But if Dak's making seventeen percent of the salary cap,

997
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: that's when people start to get freaked because all of

998
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, you supposedly can't surround him with talent anymore.

999
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: So if I'm the Miami Dolphins and I have a

1000
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: chance to draft one of these three quarterbacks to play

1001
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: for me for five years at a ridiculously low cap

1002
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: hit and build a ridiculously deep team around him, why

1003
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: am I giving that up to do the same thing?

1004
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: And like, the Dolphins have cap space, but so they're trading.

1005
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Dolphins would have to give up two

1006
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: of their three first round picks on top of some

1007
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: other stuff and then pay Dak and all of a sudden,

1008
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: they don't have any of the flexibility that puts them

1009
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: in such an enviable position, Which is why I just

1010
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: don't I just don't think it's realistic because the teams

1011
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: that want quarterbacks would rather take their chances on a

1012
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: cheap one than turn around and have to pay a

1013
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: really expensive Why that's why I didn't say five. I

1014
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: said twelve. Those teams did twelve. They didn't get any

1015
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: of those three. So and Derek said, no, he probably

1016
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that out But I mean, what if you

1017
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: do that? What if you trade two number ones and

1018
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: then you get Cam on a one year deal, you

1019
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: immediately I mean, is Cam, what if is Cam better

1020
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: than Dak? Does Cam have the longevity of Dak? Like,

1021
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: I think there are too many questions with with with

1022
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: Cam right now for me to say I'm Desk going

1023
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: to be a chance I'm willing to take honestly that

1024
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: but is i't go ahead. I was just saying I

1025
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: would entertain it. And when when you're talking about Dak,

1026
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: this will this will be my third one of the show.

1027
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about Dak, I think the term

1028
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: entertained has been mentioned several times this week, and I

1029
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: think that I would entertain just if someone wants to talk, Yes,

1030
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen. You better come strong though, because I'm

1031
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: not looking to part with him. But yeah, if you're gonna,

1032
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna call, you know, virtually, let's we'll talk.

1033
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm not trading Dak unless it leads me to a

1034
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: clear path for a potential upgrade. So like in your

1035
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: in your theoretical world, they're trading they're getting the twelfth

1036
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: pick in this year's draft. Sure, I just under nick scenario. Yeah,

1037
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: and then the next year I have to trade away

1038
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: of fortune to try to get up and draft Trevor

1039
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: Lawrence or something like that. I don't know because Cam,

1040
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: I know I was. I expressed expressed interest in him

1041
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: last week, but like, he's not the long term solution

1042
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: to your quarterback problem. So unless you give me a

1043
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: path toward one of the three in this year years draft,

1044
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: or like Trevor Lawrence next year, it's just not very

1045
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: enticing to me. I'd rather you know, one in the

1046
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: hand is worth two in the bush, as they like

1047
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, and I mean part of that for

1048
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: me is I lived through years of the Cowboys not

1049
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: having a quarterback. If I'm if I'm a Cowboys owner

1050
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: or decision maker with the Cowboys, I never want to

1051
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: be back in that position because you have no chance

1052
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: of winning on Sundays when you don't have a quarterback

1053
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: in this league. So I have a quarterback. I feel like,

1054
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: whatever his words are, I have a quarterback. I feel

1055
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: good about that quarterback. I'm doing whatever I have to

1056
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: do to keep that quarterback. All right. Well, we've talked

1057
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: a lot about the defense and then also the wide

1058
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: receiver position. Do you see the Cowboys drafting and interior

1059
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: linemen in the top four rounds? You know, I was

1060
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: about to mention that earlier about what about javon Kinlaw.

1061
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: We haven't really talked about him in that scenario, but

1062
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: I think the signings of McCoy and Poe. I'm not

1063
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: saying you don't draft a guy, but I think you

1064
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: can get to get a good idea of what kind

1065
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: of tackle they're looking for. And I'm not sure Javon

1066
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: Kin Law is that guy. I'm talking about the old line.

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: I thought you said d Line. I'm sorry too, Okay,

1068
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: oh line first four rounds? M Yeah, maybe in TI

1069
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: a flexible guy that can play a little bit center

1070
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: and guard. If that's a good value. I could see

1071
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: that Dave's got a tackle in the fourth round, right, Yeah,

1072
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: if they're doing there, if they are doing their job

1073
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: the right way, the only positions that should be off

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00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: of the board, like just no consideration at all is

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00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: running back. That's the only position that they should just

1076
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: be like, no, we really can't justify that this early.

1077
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Everything else is on the table. They don't have a

1078
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: proven swing tackle, they just lost their all pro center,

1079
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: they don't have a slot receiver, they only have two

1080
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, they don't have a right end their cornerback.

1081
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: The chart is shaky, and both of their starting safeties

1082
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: are on one year deals. Like, you could convince me

1083
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: to draft anything, and if they're being true to their board,

1084
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: they shouldn't rule out anything except running back, because I

1085
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: can't see that. I will say this though, if you're

1086
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: talking about priorities, I think offensive lineman would be a

1087
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: lower end of the priority because I think when you

1088
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: start thinking about like a swing tackle, I think those

1089
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: are guys that you can look out on free agency.

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: There will be guys. I guarantee there will be guys

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: that when the Cowmen, when the NFL teams make their

1092
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: final cuts, there'll be some veteran guy that will be

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00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: a swing tackle type that the Cowboys could go out

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00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: and get. So't I don't put this in the context

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: of as important as trying to get another receiver or

1096
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: trying to get a cornerback or a safety or even

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: a defensive end for that matter. But yes, I agree

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00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: with you, Dave from the standpoint that there's really not

1099
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: any There's no position other than running back, and you

1100
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: could actually convince me that fullback you might maybe you should.

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: There's no position other than tailback that I think the

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys shouldn't at least give some thought too, if there's

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01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: value there. I'm not going to be the least bit

1104
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: surprised when some front office and coaching types tell us

1105
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: not to sleep on Brandon night, just for whatever that's worth.

1106
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I could make a case for

1107
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: just about any position at any range of the draft.

1108
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: All right, do we have time for another question? Or now? Yeah?

1109
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: One more? All right? Well, do you think based on

1110
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: everything that has happened? Obviously there's no point because we

1111
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: can't go back in time anymore. But do you think

1112
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: that the fact that the Cowboys coaching staff did not

1113
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: go to the Combine will play a role into how

1114
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: that it's going to affect them in the long run

1115
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: due to the fact that there are no many pro

1116
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: days happening or any of that stuff. Well, they went

1117
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: to the Combine. It was the Senior Bowl that they skipped. Sorry, sorry,

1118
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Oh, I mean, yeah, it's it's not well, no, Honestly,

1119
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: the fact if they had missed the Combine yet, liked

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Denver Broncos and the La Rams didn't

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01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: send their staffs to the Combine. I do wonder if

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: they regret that now, because that's forty five fifty interviews

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01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: that their coaches didn't have a chance to be a

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01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: part of. I'm sure they filmed them, but still not

1125
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: the same. I think that's going to be a challenge

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: for every team in the league is it's a very

1127
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: limited opportunity to get your hands on these guys. I mean,

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01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: you can't do it at all. All you got is

1129
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: is video calls, which seems like a poor substitute. So

1130
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: this draft has a lot of potential for wonkiness in

1131
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: my opinion. And let's also be clear about the Senior Bowl.

1132
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: The scouts were there and you know the coaches. The

1133
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: coaches were not. The scouts were there, and I think that,

1134
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, with the Senior Bowl, most league we're talking

1135
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: about you know, mid round or maybe second round guys,

1136
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: and there are some first rounders for sure, But I

1137
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: think that it will just weigh a little bit more

1138
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: on the scouts, which I'm not sure is a bad thing,

1139
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: so that it's not like they just totally neglected at

1140
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, but I just think from some of

1141
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: those players, the coaches are allowed to rely on the scouts. Yeah,

1142
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, I am interested to see if this year

1143
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: in the draft teams come out of the draft feeling like,

1144
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, maybe in the future, we ought to not

1145
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: go to some of these things and not put as

1146
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: much into all these interviews, because when you think about it,

1147
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: all you do when you start getting to this point

1148
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: of the draft or the draft process, is you talk

1149
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: yourself out of what you've already seen on tape, right.

1150
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: And I wonder if a lot of teams will come

1151
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: out of this saying, you know, we're going to rely

1152
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: a lot more on what a guy did on the

1153
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: field then we're going to rely on these other things.

1154
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: We'll still have some interviews with them virtually, we'll still

1155
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: get their times and stuff like that, but spend a

1156
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: little less time on that and maybe a little more

1157
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: time on just the film and how they actually performed

1158
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: when they were playing football. I wonder how many teams

1159
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: will come out of this and feel like they drafted

1160
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: better doing that than than all the other things that

1161
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: they would typically do in a draft season. I think

1162
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for that. But I like,

1163
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: I think about the thirty visits and we all know

1164
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: how important that's been for the Cowboys, And I can't

1165
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: tell you how many times over the last like six

1166
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: seven years, I've heard a drastically different opinion post visit

1167
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: as opposed to pre and obvious. I mean, the tape

1168
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: is what matters at the end of the day. But

1169
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: you get a chance to spend eighteen twenty four hours

1170
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: with these guys and they can either impress you or

1171
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: in some cases, I've even heard of just completely turning

1172
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: the entire organization off based on the way they handled themselves.

1173
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: And I think I think teams still really value that,

1174
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: and I think they miss it right now because I

1175
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: just don't think you can get the same experience over

1176
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: a zoom call. But my question for that would be

1177
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: how many time, Well, I was gonna say my question

1178
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: for that is how many times that has that been right? Though?

1179
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: Has that proven to be right? The impression that you

1180
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: got to the guy when you met him changed your opinion.

1181
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: Did he end up being a really good player and

1182
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: you thought that maybe he wasn't, Or did he end

1183
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: up being a poor player but he convinced you how

1184
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: good of a person he was that you went ahead

1185
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: and drafted him. So again, I don't know if that

1186
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: necessarily is even a good thing for them When you

1187
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: look at the overall of how this is. You know

1188
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: how this all turns out what you say, am rup,

1189
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: Sorry Brett for cutting y'all. No, I was just I

1190
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, not that this happens a lot,

1191
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: but an example is when you look at what happened

1192
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: with Tackle Charlton and just you know, I think those

1193
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: interactions are important because in the long run, you saw

1194
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: how that played out, like he did not fit with

1195
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: this group of guys and their dynamic, and I think

1196
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: that was the biggest issue with him, aside from his

1197
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: on field performance, was more being a part of the

1198
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: group and clicking with them. And I know from previous

1199
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: conversations that I've had in the past with Will McClay,

1200
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: I know that they value a lot those like personality

1201
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: assessments and just getting to know the players and just

1202
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: really seeing how that person would fit into the group

1203
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: and seeing how that plays out. I think that's a

1204
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: lot and me I always talk about analyzing players and

1205
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: the way they move, the way they talk, the way

1206
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 1: they carry themselves. I think it does play a big role.

1207
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: It'll all be interesting. We'll see how it plays out

1208
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: this jat because every team, every team the NFL will

1209
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: have the same situation where they will not have been

1210
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: able to do the same sort of in person due

1211
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: diligence that they've done in the past, but it'll be

1212
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: an interesting, interesting experiment. We'll appreciate you guys join us.

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Speaker 1: We are back next Wednesday, our normal time, eleven am

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Speaker 1: till then. We want you guys to stay home, stay

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Speaker 1: strong for Nick Eatman, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I'm

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break Live on Dallas

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