1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Brooks's up. Everyone, Welcome to the Mood of six podcast. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm Bucky Brooks and I am joined by I mean 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Mr All knowing in the world of football, whether it's 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: real or fantasy. Marcus, Marcus, what's happening? How are you doing? 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: What's going on? Good? I'm good, Buck, I appreciate you. 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Let me sit in for DJ today. No, no, this 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: this is This is fun, man, because anytime I think 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: we get an opportunity to bridge both worlds to kind 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: of talk a little bit about football from maybe different viewpoints, 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: I think it stretches and challenges and we end up 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: having good conversation. And so before we even start the conversation, 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're related to Aaron Donald, I 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: think this will be a good time to hit him 15 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: up for a long because Aaron Donald just signed a 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: blog you know, a blockbuster extension. Um, if my math 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: is correct, I think it is three years upwards to 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: nine million dollars sixty something million guaranteed, so he can 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: stay with the Rams and stay a ball for retirement. 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: What is your initial reaction to this big deal for 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: the Rams? I mean one, yeah, can I hold something? 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Uh too? I mean it looks good. Good for him, right, 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, this is a guy who has been 24 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: dominant from the moment he stepped on the field in 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: the NFL. And like I'm I'm old enough to remember 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: when people thought maybe he was too short to be, 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, a a dominant, legitimate NFL player. Now 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: it turns out that he is arguably the best defensive 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: player and one of the best players overall in the NFL. 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: So I mean, good for him. I think it's funny 31 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: that you talk about retirement. I mean, I was joking 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: yesterday that you know, it was about ten minutes after 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, it felt like Aaron Donald was talking 34 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: about retiring. Sean McVeigh was saying, maybe, you know, he'd 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: had enough and he was gonna step away and start broadcasting. 36 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: And then, you know, I think a few days later, 37 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: reality said it and they realized, hey, maybe we can 38 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: kind of keep this thing going. But this also, to 39 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: me sort of fits in with what the Rams do. 40 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, part of their their whole team building philosophy 41 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: has been but we don't really worry about draft picks 42 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: so much. We especially don't worry about first round draft picks. 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: But they are very good at finding veterans they can 44 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: bring in and they can give the bag to. I mean, 45 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, they bring in a guy like Matthew Stafford 46 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: and that helps them. Now they're kind of keeping Aaron 47 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: Donald in the fold right now, and so let's sneed 48 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: might not be trying to bring in young guys, but 49 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: he has a he has a philosophy, and he has 50 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: an idea. And going and throwing the bag at Aaron 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Donald right now to keep him in Los Angeles, I 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: think very much fits in line with how they believe 53 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: in trying to build that roster. Yeah, look, um haven't 54 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: lived in l a for over twenty years. To me, 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: this just kind of reeks of I feel like the 56 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: l A Rams have gone over to Staples what what 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: used to be Staples Center Crypto and and they have 58 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: decided that we're going to do what the Lakers have 59 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: done for years. We're going to go all in on superstars. 60 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: We're going to let other people develop the superstars, and 61 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: then when they come to maturity, we're going to pay 62 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: them whatever we need to get them, and then they 63 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: will mix in a handful of their own stars with 64 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: that and find some pieces around him. But this is 65 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: l a is Hollywood. Star power is everything, and I 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: think the Rams have just embraced it now. Aaron Donald 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: is one that is home grown star. But let's look 68 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: at the rest of the stars that they love. Matthew 69 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: Stafford came from elsewhere. Jalen Ramsey came from elsewhere. Last 70 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: year they bore Von Miller, Odell Beckham Jr. They just 71 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: signed over Allen Robinson And somehow Sean McVeigh is able 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: to take a mix of people and get them to 73 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: kind of buy into the culture and whatever the environment 74 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: is there, and it works. And I think the way 75 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: that they've been able to do it and the way 76 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: that they're able to reward their own players because they're 77 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: not only paying stars from other teams. They find a 78 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: way to reward their own players. Aaron Donald's gonna get 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: paid when he got paid. Cooper Cup is next in 80 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: line to get paid. And what they've said is, yeah, 81 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: we don't worry about those draft pick things, like we 82 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: like what's here and now we're worried about building the 83 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: team next year when next year comes around. But right 84 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: now we're worried about the hearing now and I love it. 85 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: And I just think they put a tremendous amount of 86 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: pressure on team builders around the league because when fan 87 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: bases look and they're like, well, everyone has always told 88 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: us that in a salary cap era, we can't pay 89 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: all this money and keep the team together. Yet I 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: look at l A and they have the team together. 91 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: I think more creativity and aggressiveness is going to be 92 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: seen when we think about constructing these rosters. Absolutely, and 93 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: the Rams are sort of the test case for all 94 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: those people who like to say the salary cap isn't 95 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: real or that you can maneuver around it, and the 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: Rams have shown that you can do that. And I 97 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: think it's funny you compare them to the Lakers, because 98 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways it's true, although I will say, 99 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: at least in the short term to the Rams are 100 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: having a lot more success than the Lakers have had, 101 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: uh you know this this past year. But the the 102 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: idea of the philosophy is absolutely there with them, and 103 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: so you know that is gonna be the hard part 104 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: because we always talk about this being a copycat league, 105 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: and you know, for so many years people look at 106 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: team building as you know what we want to get 107 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: if we can get ourselves a young quarterback on a 108 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: rookie deal, And we saw it with the Seahawks when 109 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: they had Russell Wilson. I mean, we've kind of seen 110 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: it with the Ravens and trying to build around Lamar Jackson. Um. 111 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: You know, the Rams are showing that you don't necessarily 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: have to do that. That isn't always the way, and 113 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: so that's gonna put a lot of pressure on teams 114 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: if they want to try to copy what the Rams did, 115 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: because you know, we've seen it. It's possible, but it's 116 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: not easy, and not everybody can do it. Not everybody 117 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: can do that calculus to get all those contracts in there. 118 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: And you know, I've even seen they're even NFL players 119 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: asking you where the Rams getting all this money to 120 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: do this to bring all these people in. I mean, 121 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: credit the folks there that building for getting it done, 122 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: because it's not something that you're going to see replicated, 123 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: even though teams might try getting up a lot of 124 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: teams and salary cap hell and locking themselves up trying 125 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: to do what the Rams have done. Yeah, I think 126 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: what the Rams are doing is really funny. I mean, 127 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: in a way. It's it's like looking at the college 128 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: football team now and using n I yelled and the 129 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: transfer portal or whatever before we talked about a have 130 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: a three or four or five year plan before we 131 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: great and the RAMS are operated on that year to 132 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: year thing, and we'll be to build a team up 133 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: for the year. Did at the end of the year, 134 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: we're looking at where we have to kind of siphon 135 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: off some parts and figure out what we need to do. 136 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: But they're committed to it, and I think the reason 137 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: why it works is because their coach does a great 138 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: job of building relationships with the players. Whatever the secret 139 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 1: sauce is in terms of what the RAMS are doing 140 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: in their facility to get guys to kind of buy 141 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: into kind of this transient nature of the roster look man, 142 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: I think I think people want to copy it, and 143 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see as more coaches leave the 144 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: RAMS and begin to start their own programs. Do they 145 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: take this with them? Do they take this like you? No? No, no, no, 146 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: we want stars. I don't worry about the draft as much. 147 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: I want stars, but the guys that we take in 148 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: the later rounds, we've developed them. But we're building around stars. 149 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: And we'll supplement it with whatever we have to find 150 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: on the streets. Well, and I think, but I think 151 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: you're starting to see some of that, right, I mean, 152 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 1: look at some of the other coaches who have peeled 153 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: off from the Rams coaching staff. I mean, look, the 154 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: Bengal were in the Suzak Taylor and the Bengals were 155 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl last year against McVeigh. I mean, 156 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Staley. Uh. You know, they're sharing the same building 157 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: there with the Chargers. Uh, and they haven't quite taken 158 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: the leap, but they're close, right. You feel like the 159 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: Chargers aren't that far away from making that leap, So 160 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's something I was look at Sean McVeigh. 161 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: He's like the cool teacher that everybody wants in high school, right, 162 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: like the guy I mean, you know, my senior year 163 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: high school, we had an English teacher who was like 164 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: twenty nine, right, so he wasn't terribly far away from 165 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: us in age and students and everybody loved them. And 166 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: I feel that kind of thing with Sean McVeigh, where 167 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: he can sort of relate to the players on their 168 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: level because the age gap really isn't that big. In fact, 169 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: I think Andrew Witworth was actually older this Sean McVeigh, right, Uh, 170 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: so the age gap really isn't really there. But at 171 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the same time, when it's time to buckle down and work, 172 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: McVeigh commands that sort of respect to get those guys 173 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: to do that, and I think that's hard. I think that's, 174 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, sort of what Kyle Shanahan's been able to 175 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: do in San Francisco. I think that's what Taylor and 176 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Staley are trying to do in their respective places. Um, 177 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe maybe that's the next for a 178 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of teams. Right if you can find that that's 179 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: sort of your cool high school teacher vibe that can 180 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: get those guys to work, maybe that's the next key 181 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: to success around the league. Yeah. I think that certainly 182 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: is the key to success. I think it's funny that 183 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned, uh, some of the guys Brandon Staley in 184 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: particularly because they also have kind of plucked some star 185 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: power from others to put it together, and the fact 186 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: that they're playing in so far, sharing the same building, 187 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: sharing the same market, per se. I think they also 188 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: feel the pressure too. Hey, we not only need to 189 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: play and play at a high level, but we kind 190 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: of need to have some recognizable names that have played 191 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: at a high level to make people come and watch us, 192 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: while we also are using those stars, uh to go 193 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: to the next level. So now you're from northern California, right, 194 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Like you kind of like a Bay Area guy, and 195 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: so there's some stuff going on in the Bay that 196 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: I think we kind of need to talk about. Uh. 197 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: The San Francisco forty Niners have excused Jimmy Garoppolo from 198 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: coming to minicamp. He is still recovering from his surgery 199 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: and his injury. And know this is a great opportunity 200 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: for the Niners to really go all in on trade 201 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: lands and let trade Lance kind of run it from 202 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: top to bottom. Get a field for being kind of 203 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: like maybe the pseudo starter right now, Why Jimmy Garoppolo 204 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: is out, um as someone who is familiar with how 205 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: they get down up there with the faithful. What are 206 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: your thoughts initially on trade lands? Well, I think everybody's 207 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: excited about what tray lands can be. Um. I mean, 208 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: let's just be honest that the times we saw him 209 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: on the field as a starter, you know, it was 210 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: it was kind of up and down right. I Mean 211 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: there were moments when you understood why the Niners took 212 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: him at number three overall, because you could see the talent. 213 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: But there are moments when it was like, Okay, he 214 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: looks very raw right now. But I mean, I will 215 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: say that I think amongst the fan base, there really 216 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: is a belief that you know, I don't know that 217 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: there's a strong belief that Jimmy can get them over 218 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: the hump, that he's taken them far, He's gotten them 219 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: to a super Bowl, he got them to an NFC 220 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: Championship game. But you know, there's just kind of this 221 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: belief that when the chips are down, Jimmy is not 222 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: going to make the play that you need him to make. 223 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: Everybody still remembers the overthrow of Emmanuel Sanders and the 224 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Chiefs. Uh. You know. I look, 225 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: I have a text chain with some friends who are 226 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: all forty Niners fans, and for at least a good 227 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: month or so, one of my friends was counting the 228 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: number of days since Jimmy Garoppolo through a soul crushing 229 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: interception in the NFC Championship Game. I think we've since 230 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: given up on that because we're so far removed at 231 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: this point. But I think I think, you know, there's 232 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: there's a feeling of Okay, Jimmy maybe has taken us 233 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: as far as he can take us. But I think 234 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: there's also some cautious optimism that, you know, is Trey 235 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: Lance ready to step in and take over for a 236 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: team that you know still has at least some kind 237 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: of championship window open. You know, they have to deal 238 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: with the Rams, obviously, but this team is not you know, 239 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: they're not rebuilding. They are they are not far away 240 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: from their ultimate goal. But I think there's still some 241 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: cautious optimism is Tray Lance ready. And I'll say that 242 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: the reports that we're getting out of San Francisco are 243 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of a mixed bag. I mean, there there are 244 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: some reporters that are saying, look, Trey looks okay, that 245 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: that he seems to be progressing. There are things he 246 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: does well. There's something that are saying, look, he's not 247 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: ready and the team's not certain about him. So I 248 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: don't know that that's helping solidify anyone kind of narrative 249 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: about him. But I think more than anything, it's just 250 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: it's all about upside, and we talk about that in 251 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: fantasy football, right the upside of what a player can 252 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: be where his ceiling potentially is. And I think the 253 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: fact that Lance has a high projected ceiling at least 254 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: sparks some optimism and some excitement about what this offense 255 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: can turn into. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, I 256 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: think the evaluating me is so excited about what the 257 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: possibilities could be with Trey Lance at quarterback, not necessarily 258 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: because of the numbers that I expect him to put up, 259 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: but just to creativity. And I think cal Shanahan could 260 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: could kind of lean into when it comes to Trey 261 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: Lance as a runner. We saw moments where we saw 262 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: the quarterback run game. We've seen moments where they're kind 263 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: of blended in some of those things with debo and 264 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: fly sweeps and all that. But in my mind, I 265 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: look at this where I'm like, of Jalen Hurts can 266 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: completely change the way that people had to defend the 267 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Why can't Trade Lance have an even greater impact? 268 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think Trade Lance was a prospect that 269 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: certainly was um given more props in terms of his 270 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: potential and upside than Jalen Hursts coming in. But yet 271 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: you looked at what the Philadelphia Eagles did when Jalen 272 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: Hurts and this team committed to running the ball and 273 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: they were having two hundred yards on the ground and 274 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: he was looking like the single wing uh quarterback and 275 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: running downhill. And so I'm thinking, Man, trade Lance in 276 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: this offense that's already known and feared for the ability 277 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: to run, adding a quarterback to the mix. I'm not 278 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: saying that it gives them the same kind of fear 279 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: factor that they had with Colin Kaepernick, but I do 280 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: remember those days when you had to deal with that offense, 281 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: and so to me, I just think it could be 282 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: a perfect world of seeing trade Lance playing on offense 283 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: that's creative, that's physical, but also has a lot of 284 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: the bills and whistles that really makes defensive coordinated state 285 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: up at night. I gotta ask you this question, though, 286 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: because I know that one of the persistent rumors has 287 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: been that Kyle Shanahan didn't really want trade Lands and 288 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: he wanted Mac Jones and he was sort of, I guess, 289 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: pure pressured if you will, into taking trade Lands. I mean, 290 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: do you believe there's any truth to that or is 291 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: this just internet talk? You know? I don't know like 292 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: it's funny, right because there is some of that conversation 293 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: and like a mac Jones is the guy whatever. But 294 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: then in my mind, I would say, what was really 295 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: the major difference between mac Jones and Jimmy Garoppolo, Like, 296 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know that Kyle Shanahan had a 297 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: ton of success with Matt Ryan in Atlanta, but I 298 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: don't think that mac Jones was the same kind of 299 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: prospect as Matt Ryan, and so like, yeah, if he 300 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: was gonna do the same thing. But to me, it 301 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: just strikes me as man, we have a creative offensive 302 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: order and you're just looking at what he's been able 303 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: to do. You would like to think that they're always 304 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: kind of pushing the boundaries and the limits, and you 305 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: would look at what Brian dave Ball was able to 306 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: do with Josh Allen and what the Baltimore Ravens were 307 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: able to do with Lamar Jackson. Trade Lance isn't necessarily 308 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: even one of those, but you see the impact that 309 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: an athletic playmaker at that position and can do. And 310 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: I just think when you take that and added to 311 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: a running game that is already pretty much feared around 312 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: the league, I just think, man, disguised the limit for 313 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: the Niners offense could look like yeah, no, I agree. 314 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: I also I also just don't think that, you know, 315 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: if they really wanted Mac Jones, I don't think they 316 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: give up all these assets to move up to three 317 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: when there was there was no there was no no thought, 318 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: no suspicion that that Mac Jones is gonna go that early. 319 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: They could have stayed at where with the eleven twelve 320 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: something like that and still still gotten Jones. Yeah, and 321 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: look like Jones has been good, and I think he's 322 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: been good, and I think, um, there is certainly uh 323 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: people who may look back and like, well, maybe we're 324 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: a little down on mac Jones being included, like maybe 325 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: he was a little better prospect then we've given him. 326 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: But then you go back and look at how he 327 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: played and performed at New England. He did a really 328 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: good job of taking care of the football. He did 329 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: a really good job of playing well within the system. Um, 330 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: I think you can win with Mac Jones. I don't 331 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: think you win because of Matt Jones. And that's the difference. 332 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: I think Trey Lance has the potential to be a 333 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: guy that you win because of, because of his athleticism, 334 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: because of his ability to extent plays, because of the 335 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: other stuff that he brings to the table. I think 336 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: he eventually can be that quarterback that you win because of. 337 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: And so he may start the race behind mac Jones, 338 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: but I think the potential is there for him to 339 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: surpass him. Don A Lite, No, I agree. I've always 340 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: loved your analogy of trucks versus trailers, and I think, 341 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, Matt Jones maybe could become a truck one day, 342 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: but I think at the moment he's he's kind of 343 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: more trailer, I think than truck. Yeah, so we're gonna 344 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: take a break, but when we come back after the break, 345 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: we'll discuss drafting our top ten wide receivers right after this. 346 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: All right, so little marcause you've been playing this game 347 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: enough to know when it comes to podcasting, when it 348 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: comes to radio TV, there's nothing more than a list, 349 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: and there's nothing more than a list then drafting a list. 350 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: So people can get upset, People just get mad. I 351 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: just I just love people getting mad our opinions and 352 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: what we're thinking, who we take or whatever. But today, 353 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: to mix it up a little bit, um, we're gonna 354 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: talk about wide receivers, and because wide receivers have become 355 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: the marquee position on offense, I was out of quarterback. 356 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: The next thing that everyone talks about is the past 357 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: catch of the playmaker. And so in this league, we've 358 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: seen young guys, We've seen oh guys just put up 359 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous numbers. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna 360 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: look at the top receivers around the league. We're gonna 361 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a top ten draft. I'm gonna let 362 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: you pick first, and so we'll get five picks a piece, 363 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: we'll alternate it, and then we'll just kind of see 364 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: what it looks like at the end of the day. 365 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: Our top five, no, our top ten receivers in this 366 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: year's uh NFL. Alright, so I get to start number one, 367 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: all right. I know, I know that Cooper Cup put 368 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: up ridiculous numbers last year. But at number one, I 369 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: still believe it's Davante Adams. I still think he is 370 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: the best receiver in the game. Uh you know, And 371 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna see, you know, everyone're gonna 372 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: get a good chance to see. People thought maybe that 373 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers had a lot to do with it, and 374 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: he probably did. But now he goes to Vegas, he 375 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: gets to compare up with his old college teammate. Him 376 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: and Derek Carr did big things at Fresno State, and 377 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I think they'll continue to do big things in the NFL. 378 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: So I got DeVante Adams at one. Okay, So I 379 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: liked the pick, and I like to pick up Davante 380 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: Adams at one. I think it's hard to dismiss what 381 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: he is is as a playmaker, as a route runner. 382 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: As he get open, specialists change the scenery, might change 383 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: it a little bit in Vegas because you go from 384 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to Derek Carr. But the synergy that they 385 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: have from college, look at we'll probably show up. So 386 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: I expect him to put up big numbers, So I'll 387 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: go with that. I'm gonna go with Cooper Cup because 388 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: they're only handful of guys that have won the triple 389 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: Crown that is leader League in receptions, receiving yards, and 390 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns. Uh, Cooper Cup is in a special category. 391 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: I was at Carolina with Steve Smith, did it. I 392 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: understand how hard it is for a guy to do that, 393 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: even if you are forced feeding him the ball when 394 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: I look look at Cooper Cup in the numbers. Look, man, 395 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: you go over the course of the season, including the playoffs, 396 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: he's well over two thousand yards. You look at the touchdowns, 397 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: I mean sixty regular season touchdowns. He had a hundred 398 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: and ninety one targets. Hello, look, you know I'm a 399 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: fantasy player. I know you're a fantasy expert. I just 400 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: know that I got a chance to win a bunch 401 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: of fantasy games if you got to have on my team. 402 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: If they're targeting him like ten, twelve, thirteen times a game, 403 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: we are going to be okay. So I'm gonna continue 404 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: to bank on the rams. Find a way to feed 405 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: the pig. I think the pig is Cooper Cup, and 406 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: that's why I have him, uh second on this list, 407 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: number one in my heart though, yeah no, I got 408 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: I got no beef for that. I mean literally, for me, 409 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,239 Speaker 1: it was it came down the Cup and Adams is 410 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: at the one spot, so I went to Vonte. Cooper 411 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: Cup at number two just just makes a lot of sense. 412 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: This is where I think it sort of gets interesting. 413 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Think there's a lot of names that can kind of 414 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: come into this third spot right here. So I'm gonna 415 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: go we you know, everything being sort of equal, I'm 416 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna kind of go with youth, and I'm gonna go 417 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson here, because this is a dude who you know. 418 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: I remember when he came out of l s U, 419 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: there was this talk that, hey, maybe you know he's 420 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: just a big slot receiver, like that's all he can do. 421 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: And in a couple of years he's proven that he 422 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: can do a whole lot more than that, to the 423 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: point that you know, he's certainly over overtaken Adam Feeling 424 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: as the number one target in that offense. He's got 425 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: a lot of trust out of Kirk Cousins, and I 426 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: don't think he's hit his ceiling yet. I think there's 427 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: still room for him to get even better. So a 428 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: guy who's still very young, who is still I think 429 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: developing his game, but has already shown that he can 430 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: be a top level receiver, I'm gonna take Justin Jefferson 431 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: at three. Oh. I mean this is a good one. 432 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: And this is a good one because Justin Jefferson is 433 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: an outstanding route runner. I remember when he was coming 434 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: out of L s U and his old I guess 435 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: to console and there. Jerry Sullivan was like, hey man, 436 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: he's a guy. He's the one that makes it happen. 437 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: He is a guy that is right now ready to 438 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: go and play. And I was like, I hear you, Jerry. 439 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, but yep, he's right now. I've seen 440 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: the video, the latest video that went viral of him 441 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: running routes and practicing. Yeah, Marcus, I think you got 442 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: that one right. I am with it. So now I'm 443 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: picking fourth, and I'm torn because everyone loves what's going 444 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: on down in South Florida. I mean, they got the 445 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: cheetah he's running around. You got to a talk about 446 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: Loa talking bold to the Keyboard Warriors saying, hey man, 447 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm throwing deep balls and all of this, and I 448 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: love it. But I'm a little nervous. So instead of 449 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: taking Tyreek Heill with this one, I am going to 450 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: take Jamaar Chase. And I'm taking Jamar Chase because what 451 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: he did last year was nothing short of remarkable, just 452 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: coming off of the the worry and the ankst and 453 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: anxiety that just hovered over Cincinnati when he had look 454 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: a few drops in pre season. People didn't know if 455 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: he could play, and in Lord behole. He just goes 456 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: and lights it up. You talked about a guy who 457 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: has fourteen hundred yards thirteen touchdowns. Uh, look, just kind 458 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: of does his own thing, and I think he's just 459 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: scratched the surface of what he could be. So I'm 460 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna go with Jamar Chase because I think this dude 461 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: is dynamite. And the fact that we got L s 462 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: U receivers going back to back speaks volumes about that 463 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: championship team and who Joe Burrow was throwing too when 464 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: he led the vayou Bingos to a title. Yeah, it's funny. 465 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I I had a chance to talk to Justin Jefferson 466 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl practice, and I just want to ask 467 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: him kind of have joking like who's gonna get to 468 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: two thousand yards in the season first? Because that you 469 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: was in Jamaar he said, handing, It's just be mean. 470 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna text him right now and tell 471 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: him I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna get to two 472 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: thousand yards before him. I'm also old enough to remember 473 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: when you know, Jamar had a couple of drops in 474 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: preseason and said it was it was harder to see 475 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: the football because they didn't have stripes on it, and 476 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: everybody kind of wrote him off. And here he is 477 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: having the greatest scuson But we've ever seen out of 478 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: a rookie. Um. Alright, So so I'm at five and 479 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Jamaar chases off the board. Okay, so I'm gonna go. 480 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm tempting. I'm tempted to look at Tyreek here. But 481 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: it feels like the Dolphins are trying to convince us 482 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: really hard that two can throw a great deep ball, 483 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Like they are going out of their way to convince us. 484 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: And as much as I like to, I'm still not 485 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: sold yet. But I'm sold on Stefon Diggs. I mean, dude, 486 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: who I mean, he did big things in Minnesota. He 487 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: went to Buffalo and and even took it up a 488 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 1: notch at that point. And I know the Bills are 489 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: still trying to find some more weapons. Gave Davis played 490 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: really well at the end of last season. They've got 491 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: a lot of weapons there. But Stefan Diggs to me, 492 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: is still that dude. And and I will you talk 493 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: about winning in fantasy. He's the guy who helps you 494 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: win in fantasy. He helps you win in real football. 495 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: So I will gladly take him at number five. You know. 496 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: So there's a common denominator. And all the guys that 497 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: we've taken, all them outstanding, we're out runners. All them 498 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: had a way of getting open and kind of making 499 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: things happen, and you can trust that they're gonna be 500 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: at the spot. And so ned that we've gotten the 501 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: route runners out the way, Now I gotta take the playmakers. 502 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take Tarrek Hill here. Now I debated, 503 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: because there's someone that almost made me just get rid 504 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: of him. But I'm gonna go to every Kiel here 505 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say he's the o G. He's o 506 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: G because he's look, he's fast. He's going to add 507 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: a dimension to this offense. And even if to Uh 508 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: is not able to push the ball down the field, 509 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: I think we will see more r P O s 510 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: and more things to get the ball out of his 511 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: hands and it goes into the hands of not only 512 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Tyreek Kiel but Jalen Waddle. But Tyreek Kiel he's my guy. 513 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: I'll take him number six on this list, all right. No, 514 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: that's I got no problem with that at all. And 515 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: so that leaves you talk about playmakers. Um, and I 516 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: guess it's a sign of the times that he's falling 517 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: as far down the list, But new Hopkins uh is 518 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: still on the board, and so I will take him 519 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: at seven. I know he's gonna miss the start of 520 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: the season with a suspension, but when he is there, 521 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: you've seen the difference in that Cardinals offense with him 522 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: and without him, And it was a little bit more 523 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: of a struggle for Kyler to make plays without DeAndre 524 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: Hopkins there. So even you know, several years is into 525 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: the league on his second team, UM, I still think 526 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: he's one of the best playmakers out there, and so 527 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I will gladly take him here. Oh, I am so 528 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: surprised that you're gonna leave this guy from me because 529 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: I debated taking him when I took Tarik Hill. But 530 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: now he's sitting there. Deebo Samy was right there for me. 531 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: And look, I've heard people refer to him as the 532 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: wide back because he plays running back, but he's out wide. Um, 533 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: just what he's able to do. Marcus like, and I 534 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: know you love numbers, and I know you can relate 535 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: to numbers. The fact that Deebo Samuel average eighteen point 536 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: you yards per catch is ridiculous because that is a 537 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: home run play every time that he touched it down 538 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: the field. Then you add what he's able to do 539 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: on jet sweeps and running from the backfield and all that, 540 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: and I know he's not happy right now. So I'm 541 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna say this. We're gonna find a way to give 542 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel the cookie that he wants. He's gonna be happy. 543 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: We can get him the camp, We'll give a juice box, 544 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: we canna get him ready when he shows up for 545 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: the night. Is he's gonna ball out. And when he 546 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: balls up, I would be ecstatic. That's why I take 547 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: him right now. Yeah, I I thought about taking Debot 548 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: and I knew he wasn't gonna come back around to me, so, uh, 549 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, I have no regrets, but yeah, I think 550 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna be on the board too much more than 551 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: he is. All right, So at number nine, Oh, there's 552 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: so many options right now. Um, you know what I'm 553 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna go, And I'm gonna take Mike Evans. And it 554 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: just it feels like at this point we just take 555 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: Mike Evans for granted, right Like he just goes out, 556 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: he gets you a thousand yards. He gets you a 557 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: good number of touchdowns. He's not always flashy, he's not 558 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: always spectacular, but he's gone through multiple quarterbacks and he 559 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: just continues to stay steady and stay consistent. I mean, 560 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: he started with Jami's he's moved over to Tom Brady 561 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: and it and the song remains the same for Mike Evans, 562 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: and so, uh, you know, I don't I don't think 563 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: he he makes your eyes popped away. Some of these 564 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: other guys on this list have. But the fact that 565 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: he's just been doing the same thing from the first 566 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: time he stepped on the field as a rookie until now, 567 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: I think that consistency alone at a high level makes 568 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: him worthy being in the top ten. Yeah, he's certainly 569 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 1: worthy of being in top ten. Now Here's here's the thing. 570 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: When it comes to the White House, Um, everyone is 571 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: going to be mad at us because I just looked 572 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: it up. Uh, markets last year, there were twenty six 573 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: players that had over a thousand receiving yards. Twenty three 574 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: of those were wide receivers. When you picked Mike Evans, 575 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: Mike Evans was twenty three in the league and receiving yards, 576 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: but he had fourteen touchdowns fourteen touchdowns four So there's 577 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a value to being able to put 578 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: the ball in the paint. And so now I'm sitting 579 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: here and I'm saying, Okay, Now I can always go 580 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: with what I know in terms of like safe and 581 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: look the numbers there and no one will say anything 582 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: and we'll be good. But that's not fun for the conversation. 583 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: So my gut, the last guy that I'm gonna take, Look, 584 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: it cannot be a conversation on list if you know, 585 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: not go to Dallas and talk about America's team. C 586 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: d Land comes off the board at this pick. I 587 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: wrote about it a couple of weeks ago. I think 588 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: this guy can be a five player. He has all 589 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: the stuff. He slides into Mary Cooper spot. He was 590 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: their number one receiver last year. Now he gets look, 591 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: I think he has an opportunity to receive the amount 592 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: of targets that Cooper Cup got last year, which was 593 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: a hundred and nine. I think Ceedee Lamb gets that 594 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of attention. Uh if he gets those many, that 595 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: much production comes his way, He's gonna light it up. 596 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: Give me Ceedee Lamb. Ceedee Lamb completes the list of 597 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: top ten receivers because I just can't go without bringing 598 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: an eight into I mean, but look at this. This 599 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: is how deep the position is, right, I mean A J. 600 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Brown doesn't make the list. DK metcalf h doesn't make 601 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: the list. I mean, Terry McLaurin, you make an argument, 602 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, right, like, these dudes don't make the list. 603 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: That's what's so crazy. And you know it, man, like 604 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: just over the last ten years, because I'm sure fantasy 605 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 1: has changed a ton in terms of like how you 606 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: build it, because I remember when I was playing, it 607 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: was all about the running back. The running back was 608 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: kind of like the bell count. Now we're looking at 609 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: these receivers put up consistent production and numbers and touchdowns 610 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. The game has changed. And 611 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: so we used to laugh when we talked about the 612 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: game being a past happy league and we're throwing it 613 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: around the yard and all that. But now the bears 614 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: fruit like we're seeing these guys on the perimeter are 615 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: making the impacts. They're getting paid like quarterbacks used to 616 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: get paid. And so it's a different time. And so 617 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: that top ten list, I'm sure is going to draw 618 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: the ire of some of the movies stakes fans, and 619 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. So you make sure you direct 620 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: that are the right way. Marcus, Marcus rant is the 621 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: one that did all that I took the guys. You 622 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: make sure And look, there's this thing that I love 623 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: that Marcus does. And I've seen he and Adam Rink 624 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: do the hype train the old that's my h Yeah, 625 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: get on the hype train. Man. We we got we 626 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: got ten hype train dudes right here on this list. 627 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: Jump on, get on board it. I love it. So look, 628 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: before I let you go, what what are you growing on? Like? 629 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: What's big? What's big? And fantasy? Give our people a 630 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: nugget or something to think about when it comes to fantasy, 631 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: something that you are on before everyone else's on. Well, 632 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: I'll say this. I mean you talk about running backs, right, 633 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: And it used to be that the first round of 634 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: drafts was all running backs. It's at a point now 635 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: where there are maybe a handful of elite level backs 636 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: that you're still seeing go in the top four or five, 637 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: guys like Jonathan Taylor, Derrick Henry. You could probably throw 638 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, Austin Ekeler CMC in that group. But now 639 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: we are starting to trend towards a lot of early 640 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: wide receivers. So your first round you're going to see 641 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Davonte Adams and Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson. Those guys 642 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: are all coming off the board in the first round. 643 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: The other part of this is don't be afraid maybe 644 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: to reach a little bit early for a tight end 645 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: because there's only a handful of elite guys. So you 646 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: know you've got your Mark Andrews, your Travis Kelsey's George, 647 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: even Kyle pitts Now is probably one of those guys. 648 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: Probably the first four rounds or so, you can see 649 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of tight ends come off the board because 650 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: after the top four or five there's a pretty big 651 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: gap in terms of talent and production and the rest 652 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: of the position group. Okay, we gotta stay on it. 653 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to lean on you because you're gonna 654 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: have to name help me name my fantasy team guy. 655 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: He comes down to it, I'm have to lean on 656 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: you to do it. But look, man, this is great. 657 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: This is great. Little crossover, got a little little fantasy, 658 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: the Fantasy Pod gotta talk a little reality. When it 659 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: came to the quarterback, talked about uh Trede Lance, all 660 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the wide receivers. This is fun, man. We have to 661 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: bring you back. I have to bring you back with 662 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: DJ so we really can get into the weeds and 663 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: know what we need to know before we have our 664 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: drafts coming up in a few weeks. I'm always down. 665 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: You just give me a call. I'll be ready. Hey man, 666 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: thanks so much. Man. So that's it for the Most 667 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: six podcast. Make sure you keep it locked, make sure 668 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: you you tune in. We'll be back on Thursday with 669 00:30:42,080 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: another pot Talk to the cast.