1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Floyd's drug use playing a central role the prosecution, arguing 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Floyd did not die of a drug overdose because he 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: built a tolerance struggling with an addiction for years. Prosecutors 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: also argued Floyd's behavior in the video was not consistent 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: with someone overdosing and passing out. Rather, a video show 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Floyd being killed while unarmed in police custody. His size. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: There were five grown, been armed police officers who were 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: on the scene over a fake twenty dollar bill. Chauvin's 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: defense hit back, saying Chauvin was following his training. Kneeling 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: on Floyd's neck. Derek Chauvin did exactly what he had 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: been trained to do over the course of his nineteen 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: year career. The defense painted Floyd as a criminal drug 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: abuser who resisted arrest, saying Floyd took a lethal amount 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: of drugs a speedball and fell asleep in his car 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: outside of Cup Foods. He did not comply with police 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: and ended up on the ground because through former officers 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: could not contain him. What was Mr Floyd's actual cause 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: of death? The evidence will show that Mr. Floyd died 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: of a cardiacorhythmia. Oh boy, so did he die? Basically 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: of a drug overdose or did he die because of 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: the knee on his neck? Is that the argument? Wow, 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: that could well be the argument. And let's bring in 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: a special guest to discuss that and more. Leo Terrell 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: as the civil rights attorney Fox News contributor host of 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: the podcast Leo Torrell, America's fair minded civil rights attorney. Leo, 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: how are you, sir man? Thank you for having me. 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: I'm fine, I just came back from Minneapolis, but I'm 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: glad to be on your show to talk about this 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: very hard, difficult, unusual and national impact case. Well, it 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: is that, and I just want to say personally, I've 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: really appreciated your commentary on it so far because to 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: to try to whip people up on one side or 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: the other as opposed to all approaching this as Americans 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: want to make sure everybody's civil rights are available to them, 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: I just think it's dangerous and it's ugly. I think 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: you're right, and let me be very clear, I think 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: what the attorney Benjamin Crump did and Alice Sharpie at 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: the head yesterday outside the courthouse was an insult to 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: the rule of law. This case is being tried inside 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: a courtroom, not in the court of public opinion. I'll 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: let the facts play out in the courtroom. But I 42 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: think what they did yesterday was an insult. Coupled with 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: the fact that they announced a civil settlement, they did 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: nothing more than try to influence the jury pool. I 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: found it disgusting. Is it gonna come down to did 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: he die of a drug overdose or was the need 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: the cause? Is that really going to be the whole 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: the whole thing. I think that will be a major 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: significant factor. And I think the second part will be 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: whether or not the use of force was in police policy, 51 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: and that is going to be the battle of the expert. 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna have a battle of the experts on the 53 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: medical causation and a battle of the expert on police 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: tactics and trainee. Those are gonna be the two key 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: significant issues that the jury will have to decide. Leah, 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: what were your impressions of the opening statements yesterday? Well, 57 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. In my opinion, I thought 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: the prosecution is very clear they're gonna rely on the 59 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: nine minute video where the defendant officer is kneeling on 60 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: Jorge floyd neck. My suggestion is do not overplay it 61 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: because you will numb the jury. A law Rodney King 62 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: first trial, you overplay, you numb the jury. I think 63 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: that if the prosecution focuses just on that video, they're 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: going to leave out other significant facts. A law of 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: the defense, the defense wants to show the jury the 66 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: totality of everything and how George Floyd was acting prior 67 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: to the kneeling on his neck, and I think as 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: a juror, I want to know all the facts. All 69 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: the defense has to do is kid one jury to say, 70 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't see beyond the reasonable doubt. Therefore, 71 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang up this jury and you're gonna have 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: a mistrial. So I'll tell you right now. Pressure all 73 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: on the prosecution. I also believe they overcharged the case. 74 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Oh really go into detail on that. Why do you 75 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: think so? Because a second degree murder case charge which 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: they have against the officer imply some form of intent. 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: And if I'm the prosecutor, I'm I mean, if I'm 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: the defense attorney, I would put the Derrick Chaven on 79 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: the witness stands. I never intended to kill this man, 80 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: and I think the second degree murder charge I think, well, 81 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: they politically motivated charge to please a certain segment of 82 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: the country, and I think it's overcharging. I think involuntary manslaughter, 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: you want to get a conviction, you don't overcharge. And 84 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: I think that the second degree murder charge asked for 85 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: too much of a mental intent on the part of 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: this officer to kill George Floyd. I don't believe he 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: had the middle intent to kill George Floyd. You know, 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: we can certainly go back to the particulars of the trial, Jack, 89 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: if you'd like to in a minute. But Leo, as 90 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: long as you mentioned that, we're talking to Leo Terrell, 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: civil rights attorney hosted the podcast Leo Torrell, America's fair 92 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Minded civil rights Attorney. We're pretty concerned that given some 93 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: of the race baiting and the whipping of people up um, 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: that if there is an acquittal or even a hung jury, 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: American cities are gonna burn. There's gonna be a lot 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: of violence. Is that an unfounded fear or do you agree? 97 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: You're a trillion percent correct? I think regardless of the outcome, uh, 98 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: in celebration of a charge of a conviction, a hung jury, 99 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: a mistrial, an acquittal, you're gonna have city Bernie, You're 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: gonna have a Democratic Cities Burnie, because I know this 101 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: sounds crazy that it seems to me that the allegation 102 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: of racism white supremacy has been utilized to the advantage 103 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: of a particular political party. I don't want to mention 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: any party the Democrat and I think it's been played 105 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: up to a point where it's it's thrown out there automatically, automatically, 106 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: and I find it. I find him insulting as a 107 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: self right's attorney. Uh, and I find it uh also 108 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: insulting because and that was the reason why I left 109 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Well, they al Sharpton crowd outside the 110 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: court house yesterday they said this trial is about putting 111 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: the entire American justice system on trial. So of course, 112 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, you make the stakes that big, and you're 113 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: you're setting a scene for a lot of mayhem. Unfortunately, 114 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: hey are they I'm concerned they're not gonna be able 115 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: to keep the the jurors identities secret, and you know, 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: if any of their names get out, they're gonna be 117 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: fearing for their lives. I'm afraid. I think you're correct. 118 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: I think this jury should have been sequestered. I mean, 119 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: you look at what the Shenanigans, Al Sharpton and bankrupt 120 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: did yesterday. How the world are you gonna keep these 121 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: jurors protected from the social media that's out there bombardi 122 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: the entire world on this case. The entire world is 123 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: watching this case, it's being televised, and this jury was 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: not sequestered. Shame, Shame on the jury system, on the 125 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: criminal justice system. This jury should have been shielded from 126 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: the Alice Sharptons, from all the court of public opinion 127 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: that's out there that's going to be bombarding them for 128 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the next six or seven weeks. Leo Terrell is a 129 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: civil rights attorney and host of the podcast Leo Terrell, 130 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: America's fair minded civil rights Attorney. Leo, I hope we 131 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: can stay in touch because we really value people like 132 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: you who actually are trying to protect people's civil rights 133 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: and trying to improve the country as opposed to tearing 134 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: it apart. So great to talk to you, sir, Thank 135 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: you very much. I find an honor to be on 136 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: your program. Please feel free to call me again. We 137 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: will stuff right there.