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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club and welcome into a
Speaker 1: special All Star Roundtable podcast to discuss breaking news of
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours, the Cowboys announcing Sunday night
Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett will not return as head coach in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and reports not confirmed by the team at
Speaker 1: this point. That's say Mike McCarthy is the choice to
Speaker 1: replace him. Nothing official yet, but hey, we're here for
Speaker 1: the next hour anyway, so why not just kick it around?
Speaker 1: Might be official, it could be. Well, we'll know noon
Speaker 1: Central time if on your Twitter account, Dave, you got it.
Speaker 1: Dave's got the computer far enough, need you to tell
Speaker 1: him that it's true? Please okay, computer phone, He's always ready.
Speaker 1: That's Stave Hellman, Mickey Spagnola, Nick Eatman, Rob Phillips here
Speaker 1: for the next hour. Well, we waited for a week
Speaker 1: for news, and then we got it during the Eagles
Speaker 1: Wildcard playoff game. Yeah, more than all things could bargain for. Like,
Speaker 1: literally waited a week for news. Found out about coaching
Speaker 1: interviews before we found out about the last one leaving.
Speaker 1: Then we finally Yeah, during an Eagles game. No, less,
Speaker 1: can't convince me that's an accident. There's just no way.
Speaker 1: A lot of Cowboy fans were probably really excited, like
Speaker 1: right there, like in the halftime that Jason Okay finally gone,
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of Cowboy fans are excited
Speaker 1: about that. And then the Eagles losing, I mean that
Speaker 1: there you go. It's a nice Sunday afternoon. It's a
Speaker 1: nice I mean, maybe not as nice as if they'd
Speaker 1: been hosting the Seahawks themselves, but yeah, not bad. And
Speaker 1: then you know, obviously it's just reports. The team has
Speaker 1: not made a statement or confirmed or not anything, but
Speaker 1: sounds like they have chosen their coach. We'll see. But
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that the fact that it looks
Speaker 1: like they're going ahead with Mike McCarthy twelve hours after
Speaker 1: letting go of Jason Garrett is pretty stunning to me, honestly. Well,
Speaker 1: let's go around the table and talk about those reports.
Speaker 1: And reportedly Mike McCarthy came in for an interview over
Speaker 1: the weekend. Marvin Lewis, former long time Bengals coach, was
Speaker 1: also in for an interview. But reports this morning Mick
Speaker 1: that they've zeroed in on McCarthy, the long time former
Speaker 1: Packers head coach who won a Super Bowl inside at
Speaker 1: Stadium during the two twenty ten season. I believe there
Speaker 1: you go ten years ago, ten years ago? What does
Speaker 1: that mean? Just threw it out It's ten years ago, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, the same year that Jason Garrett ironic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, do you think Jerry Sly as
Speaker 1: a Fox wanted something in writing for a new head
Speaker 1: coach before he let the old head coach go? Officially?
Speaker 1: I hope not, but it sounded like he might have,
Speaker 1: but I hope not. Right Mike was he worried that
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to find something that he really wanted that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just asking. I threw it out there. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what Jacksonville I think did I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think Jacksonville thought there was a lot of great coaches
Speaker 1: out there, so they went with Doug Marrow, stuck with stuck, right,
Speaker 1: And that's I think what Jerry was saying. But it's
Speaker 1: a difference situation here. I hope that's not what happened,
Speaker 1: but I think that there's something to that. I think
Speaker 1: he really was looking to see, all right, I've got
Speaker 1: the fourteenth, I've got this date and I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: and look and see. And you know the bad part
Speaker 1: about that is that obviously Garrett can't go and do that, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think maybe he could have. Maybe he gave
Speaker 1: him the opportunity. Who knows if he had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go interview somewhere else before this was made official
Speaker 1: on Sunday that he's not returning. Yeah, would you imagine
Speaker 1: they would have let him do that? But he wanted
Speaker 1: He was asked. The last time he spoke publicly Jason
Speaker 1: did was on one of five Through the Fan a
Speaker 1: week ago, and he said, would you when you meet
Speaker 1: with the Joneses, would you like to establish that you
Speaker 1: still want to be the coach? And he said, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Gage wanted he said it after the yeah, which
Speaker 1: maybe I mean, And you know what, that's that's none
Speaker 1: of Jerry's concern, Like, hey, he owns the team and
Speaker 1: he had Jason under contract, so he can do what
Speaker 1: he wants. But if that was really what it's about, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's awkward. Like I was just thinking last night,
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy, you know, interviewed over the weekend the
Speaker 1: reporters that he stayed an extra night here in Dallas
Speaker 1: and it was a whole weekend long thing. Like did
Speaker 1: they take him into Jason's office, Like even though Jason's
Speaker 1: still the coach, Like was Jason here? Like, hey man,
Speaker 1: remember how you helped me get the Cowboys job, and
Speaker 1: remember how you might be replacing me now, Like that's
Speaker 1: just remember when you threw that challenge flag on de
Speaker 1: taught that ball and it screwed everything up for us.
Speaker 1: It isn't It's really interesting how their careers are intertwined.
Speaker 1: Like big Game McCarthy beats. McCarthy beats the Cowboys forty
Speaker 1: five seven, setting up Jason Garrett to get the job. Obviously,
Speaker 1: McCarthy derailed both of Garrett's best seasons of his Cowboys tenure.
Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought about the twenty ten game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's Packers got Jason Garrett this job in the
Speaker 1: first place. Wade Phillips last game is head coach. Wow,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I mean, we're not probably sitting here if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't lose that game to the Packers in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Yeah, you know, fourteen two, But it's sixteen.
Speaker 1: Stung a little bit more now, just because you were
Speaker 1: at home, you had home field advantage and the way
Speaker 1: you lost it, right, yeah, with time expiring. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you can you can make the case.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the greatest coaches of all time. Um,
Speaker 1: I bet you most of the great coaches of all
Speaker 1: time having Hall of Fame quarterback with them. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just the way it goes. And so you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people will say, well, yeah, we had
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Okay, Well, I mean all these guys had somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, and Belichick's had Brady and and you know,
Speaker 1: Landry and Noel and all those guys have had Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame guys. So I don't know if if you
Speaker 1: can say that it's just that or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the offensive coach, and you know, they had some
Speaker 1: really good players. I know this. They would rotate a
Speaker 1: lot of receivers in there, guys that you wouldn't think
Speaker 1: would be you know, starting caliber guys, and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, they're in the Pro Bowl. You know, whether
Speaker 1: or not that's just Aaron Rodgers, I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure he has a big part of it,
Speaker 1: that is bear did McCarthy get there, oh six o six.
Speaker 1: He was there from six to twenty eighteen through twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen season went one hundred and twenty five and seventy
Speaker 1: seven and two with nine playoff appearances mentioned that Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: also four NFC title games. And by the way, he's
Speaker 1: one of three coaches or four coaches, including the great
Speaker 1: Tom Landry, to make eight straight playoff appearances throughout his tenure.
Speaker 1: From he did for for two seasons. Two seasons. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that, that's great stuff. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I think that they're looking at here.
Speaker 1: I believe that Jerry Stephen Will McClay look at this
Speaker 1: and go, you know what, we've got roster of players
Speaker 1: they they believe. Now we can argue all day how
Speaker 1: great it really is, but they feel like they've got
Speaker 1: a talented roster that maybe needs to be, you know,
Speaker 1: coached better, and here's a guy that's done it. And
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say all that and say,
Speaker 1: well it's because of Aaron Rodgers. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that. And that's I mean, that's going to be
Speaker 1: the debate about this higher. If that is the higher,
Speaker 1: it certainly looks like it is. Once again, reports say
Speaker 1: that it's trying to close our bases here. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: not anothering official from the team yet. Um, but that
Speaker 1: that's going to be the debate, is you know how
Speaker 1: much of it is is Mike McCarthy, how much of
Speaker 1: it is Aaron Rodgers. As always, I think the truth
Speaker 1: is somewhere in the middle. Having a quarterback of that
Speaker 1: caliber certainly helps you, but it's hard to reach the
Speaker 1: postseason that many times in a row. It's hard to
Speaker 1: win ten playoff games. I don't think you can take
Speaker 1: all the credit out of Mike McCarthy's hands for that,
Speaker 1: but I certainly think the quarterback plays a role in that.
Speaker 1: And I think you're absolutely right, like this, this feels
Speaker 1: like a win now higher, Like this is a this
Speaker 1: is a team like Jerry doesn't want to do that
Speaker 1: learning curve thing all over again. If this is this
Speaker 1: guy and that bringing in the analogy you mentioned at
Speaker 1: the top of the show, my dear friend Elyssa Cowie
Speaker 1: gave this to me, and I'm the Cowboys beat writer,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was an awesome analogy. It was
Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy is Zach Martin. Go back to twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: they had the choice between Johnny Manziel and Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: Like that's what it was down to, flashy guy, you
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna work. Your mercurial talent could
Speaker 1: take you to another level, could flame out spectacularly. And
Speaker 1: in this analogy, obviously that's like a Lincoln Riley or
Speaker 1: an Urban Meyer. And then you have a very proven,
Speaker 1: solid guy that's not going to just make make everybody excited,
Speaker 1: like the draft party's not going to go insane when
Speaker 1: you draft Zach Martin. But it's a very stable, safe,
Speaker 1: smart hire. And I know, like Zach Martin's gonna go
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. I get that we don't
Speaker 1: know if McCarthy's going to work out that well, but
Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. Well, there's probably more
Speaker 1: to that analogy. I don't know if there's some implying
Speaker 1: going on there, but there's more to that analogy because
Speaker 1: if you remember, everyone knows that Jerry wanted yeah, Jerry
Speaker 1: didn't want to say, and what happened, Yeah, Steven had
Speaker 1: to go in there and say listen, you know, and
Speaker 1: all the other scout and everyone coach that didn't want
Speaker 1: it either, but Stephen had to go and be the
Speaker 1: one to say we got to do this. And I
Speaker 1: think from what from what I've been hearing, I think
Speaker 1: that something similar was happening here. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think Jerry had a hard time letting go of Garrett,
Speaker 1: and I think I don't know if it's just Steven
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I think there's other people that were like, listen,
Speaker 1: we got to make a move here, and so it
Speaker 1: was tough that the same thing happened with DeMarcus Ware.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry told DeMarcus Ware that he was coming
Speaker 1: back and then he wasn't. So I mean, it just
Speaker 1: that happens. I do know, though, and you might be right.
Speaker 1: Jerry was quoted. It was right after the Big twelve
Speaker 1: title game because Matt Rule and Lincoln Riley were both
Speaker 1: coaching here, and he said he's like college to pro
Speaker 1: is like the hardest transition, Like that's the least likely
Speaker 1: to breed you success, which I thought was interesting at
Speaker 1: the time because obviously Jimmy Johnson came straight from college.
Speaker 1: But he's right in the sense that like hotshot college
Speaker 1: coaches don't have a great track record in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So maybe somebody put that idea in his head. But
Speaker 1: eventually I think he came to that conclusion that that's
Speaker 1: a big risk. Well do you do you think that
Speaker 1: wasn't what he was thinking. He should have been thinking
Speaker 1: this way, Why do you want to bring in a
Speaker 1: head coach to practice on your dime that's never been
Speaker 1: a head coach that doesn't have any FL experience? I
Speaker 1: mean again again, because I mean they did it obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but look at where they were in eighty nine. That's
Speaker 1: not the well okay, yeah, talk about I'm just saying
Speaker 1: now a college coach, yes, and make that transition or
Speaker 1: bring in a coordinator to practice on your time. But
Speaker 1: that's the risk, right, Like for every time it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, there's a Sean mcvayh who like had barely
Speaker 1: been a coordinator who got his team to a Super Bowl? Okay,
Speaker 1: who else? I see? That's my point, right, Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: is doing it in Green Bay right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens. It's not like it's Andy Reid at some point.
Speaker 1: These guys never had head coaching experience and then they did.
Speaker 1: You know, but I see, he was in the NFL
Speaker 1: for a while. I'm trying. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: another college guy. This trade from college. Now, this franchise
Speaker 1: has a history of it, though they do. Jimmy came
Speaker 1: in and everything changed. Now that was different. They were
Speaker 1: failing and you got a new owner, right, and they
Speaker 1: were terrible. Switzer I mean, yeah, Switzer was actually I
Speaker 1: mean Switzer came in on a team that was ready
Speaker 1: to win. Right. He was Queen Elizabeth. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: get that reference. Sorry, he was the monarch, the figure head.
Speaker 1: The queen doesn't run the country right now. Jim Hart Okay,
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, I don't know if you can say Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll's in that category because he was an NFL head
Speaker 1: coach then went to college out of the game for
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, he was in college for a while.
Speaker 1: There is precedent for it. But to your point, Jerry
Speaker 1: was asked about college coaches kind of dancing around. You know,
Speaker 1: this is when Jason still had the job late in
Speaker 1: the season, and he mentioned that college coaches it's the
Speaker 1: track record is not good. And I think Nick's right.
Speaker 1: They feel like this is a roster that should have
Speaker 1: done more than it did this year. That's young, but
Speaker 1: that's talent and won ten games and got to the
Speaker 1: second round two years ago. I guess I was just
Speaker 1: arguing with you, Mick, but I really I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm coming around to that point of view. Is like
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by the Lincoln Riley's of the world, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like maybe this won't work out, but maybe it could
Speaker 1: take you to a level unprecedented at least in recent memory.
Speaker 1: But then you look at and you look at everything
Speaker 1: McCarthy has done in his career. You look at what
Speaker 1: he's accomplished, You look at his experience in the league.
Speaker 1: He hasn't just worked with Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve.
Speaker 1: He got some good seasons out of Aaron Brooks in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. He was in San Francisco for a year. Like,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of experience. And then going back
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers. Does not Mike McCarthy deserve some credit
Speaker 1: for developing him in the early going of his career.
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't come out of the womb as
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in the league. Yeah, because if you remember,
Speaker 1: they played against Brett Farve under Mike McCarthy in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven here at Texas Stadium and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: up and then and then they took off second half.
Speaker 1: And so for all of those reasons, And that's why
Speaker 1: I think Zack Martin thing is such a good analogy
Speaker 1: because this is not sexy, but neither was that. But
Speaker 1: if he does his job and learns from his experiences
Speaker 1: in Green Bay the way that people think he can,
Speaker 1: it could be a heck of a higher well. It's
Speaker 1: also very similar to Wade Phillips as well. You know,
Speaker 1: been back in oh seven when you're like, okay, this
Speaker 1: team was, you know close, and you know that that
Speaker 1: OZ six team and part Parcels took him pretty far.
Speaker 1: But then you know they were ready to kind of
Speaker 1: move forward and they just needed a different voice, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the a lot of
Speaker 1: the players actually liked what Wade brought as opposed to Bill.
Speaker 1: You know, it's different, but they needed Bill, it was.
Speaker 1: That's the tricky part here, is that they needed that
Speaker 1: from three to six, that team was ready to go,
Speaker 1: you know, not that Wade took him over the top.
Speaker 1: He certainly didn't, but neither did Bill. I mean nobody
Speaker 1: has really it was almost like a breath of fresh air,
Speaker 1: like they needed some relief. And actually that's what happened
Speaker 1: from Jimmy to Switzer at the time. At the time Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Jimmy was grinding that team and they needed a breath
Speaker 1: of fresh air. So Switzer comes in and he's kind
Speaker 1: of an opposite coach, and the same thing happened with Wade.
Speaker 1: Now we'll see what happens here, but think about it.
Speaker 1: If the premise was he didn't want to bring in
Speaker 1: a college coach, or he didn't want to bring in
Speaker 1: a coordinator to practice being a head coach, from a
Speaker 1: guy with head coaching experience that hadn't been out of
Speaker 1: the game that long, who were the other candidates. I
Speaker 1: don't want somebody that's been out five years. You know
Speaker 1: they're going to come in because they forget how hard
Speaker 1: you have to work to be successful. You know. It
Speaker 1: sounds to me, and I don't know everything that went
Speaker 1: on this last year, but it sounds to me that
Speaker 1: what McCarthy did in twenty nineteen could be the reason
Speaker 1: that he's that he's hired just the stay as anybody
Speaker 1: as anything else he's done. He stepped with right, do
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Speaker 1: his year off from football again. Reports that the Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Welcome back inside the SWBC Mortgage studio inside
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Oh so much going on this week?
Speaker 1: What happened to last week? You were complaining all last
Speaker 1: week because we were just sitting around waiting. We had
Speaker 1: crickets last week, didn't wait. It's either all or nothing,
Speaker 1: just like the TV show everything or nothing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you like this music? Yeah? We added to one
Speaker 1: of the pockets. It just seems like breaking news or
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills cop four or something like that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: it just it seems like, you know, get the horn
Speaker 1: going off, like big stuff happens here. That's right, it's
Speaker 1: what they say reportedly. Anyway, Well, we know Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: is not coming back, the press release from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: last night that they will not seek a contract extension
Speaker 1: with Jason after nine full years as the head coach.
Speaker 1: And now twelve hours later we get reports that Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy might be is on his way to town. All
Speaker 1: of the like, you know, all of the reflection pieces
Speaker 1: on the Garrett era like went out the window because
Speaker 1: like you know, you're kind of you're still digesting the news.
Speaker 1: You're like, we saw this coming, but it finally happened.
Speaker 1: But then before you can even really get your ducks
Speaker 1: in a row on that, we're onto potentially hiring the
Speaker 1: next head coach. Sorry, Jason, life comes at your fast,
Speaker 1: it really does. Yeah, all right, Nick, we broke the
Speaker 1: last segment talking or teasing what Mike McCarthy has been
Speaker 1: up to last twelve months since he parted ways with
Speaker 1: the Packers after the twenty eighteen season. Pretty interesting stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I alluded to it. I'm probably not the right person
Speaker 1: for it because I haven't read it all. Have y'all
Speaker 1: actually read this, Okay, But basically he spent last year
Speaker 1: and he's got like a team of coaches that, you know,
Speaker 1: it very it's very reminiscent to like what John Gruden
Speaker 1: was doing, even though he was at you know, out
Speaker 1: of coaching, he was still like evaluating tape and players,
Speaker 1: and it looked like that McCarthy had assembled a team
Speaker 1: of coaches to to really study the game, not be
Speaker 1: you know, away from the players, the draft guys, and
Speaker 1: then also really taking analytics into equation as well, and
Speaker 1: just making sure that they don't stay too far out
Speaker 1: of this mix here and and stay you know, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of up to date with everything that's happened happening
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, I mean he's he's been camped
Speaker 1: out at his place near Green Bay. A bunch of
Speaker 1: other coaches have been part of it with him, Jim Haslett,
Speaker 1: who he goes way back with, and that it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, part of me is intrigued and impressed because
Speaker 1: you know, he's he talks about like embracing analytics and
Speaker 1: embracing a lot of the changes that have taken over
Speaker 1: football in the last ten years. Part of me is
Speaker 1: also like, man, this is a hell of a prs
Speaker 1: like a PR stunt, like you know, and this this
Speaker 1: story dropped Tom Pellisero, who's a great reporter for NFL Network.
Speaker 1: It came out in like early December, which is right
Speaker 1: around the time where jobs are starting to kind of
Speaker 1: align and you kind of have an idea of what's
Speaker 1: gonna be open. Good for him, man, Like that's he
Speaker 1: interviewed for every job, right, every job that's been open
Speaker 1: he interviewed for I did. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: actually took those interviews. Reportedly Brown's Giants and Panthers. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's at least linked to those jobs. Yeah he was,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he didn't do. But which, hey, use
Speaker 1: the media to your advantage. That was something that I
Speaker 1: never thought Jason Garrett did a good enough job of,
Speaker 1: Like he just wanted to do his thing. He wasn't gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, play in the media. And that's it's admirable
Speaker 1: in its own right, but like, you can use the
Speaker 1: media to your advantage, and I definitely think Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: did that. There's a blurb from the story, just real
Speaker 1: quick that Tom Pellisera wrote, Dave mentioned this kind of
Speaker 1: unofficial coaching staff that he put together in the offseason.
Speaker 1: He said, together they've spent months preparing as if they're
Speaker 1: the thirty third coaching staff, from studying league trends and
Speaker 1: rebuilding playbooks to deep dives on analytics like Nick said,
Speaker 1: and mapping out a calendar for practices and meetings all
Speaker 1: the way through training camp. McCarthy also did a deep
Speaker 1: dive on himself, going through boxes dating to his early
Speaker 1: days as an assistant at Pittsburgh and with the Chiefs
Speaker 1: to study how his philosophies have evolved over the past
Speaker 1: thirty years and where he needs to go from here.
Speaker 1: Nick saban know about that. I thought Alabama was the
Speaker 1: thirty third team. So having said this year, sorry, does
Speaker 1: he know who his defensive coordinator is going to be?
Speaker 1: Sounds like Jim Haslin was, you know. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: wonder though, like I'm well, I wonder if, like you know,
Speaker 1: they have this whole thing in Green Bay and they're
Speaker 1: the thirty third staff. But Mike McCarthy gets this call
Speaker 1: and he's like, aciate you guys, appreciate your health. I
Speaker 1: get to take two. Yeah. No, seriously, He's like, I
Speaker 1: only got two tickets. Uh, yeah, I don't. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time believe in like that's that staff is
Speaker 1: not coming here in full. I don't know the National
Speaker 1: title game next week. Yeah, I got tickets to Paradise.
Speaker 1: Don't remind me. I think defense coordinator. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he's already been interviewed. That's kind
Speaker 1: of well. I would imagine when you interview, that's one
Speaker 1: of the questions they ask you, Marvin Less, we're talking
Speaker 1: Marvin listener, No, I'm talking Mike McCarthy. Who's your defensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: Nick was implying, and I could see that happening also
Speaker 1: if that's who he wants. You know, I know what
Speaker 1: people think, and they can't be one hundred percent wrong,
Speaker 1: because you have to interview a minority coach before you
Speaker 1: can hire anyone, and they did that right off the bat.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you that Marvin Lewis was not just
Speaker 1: strictly Rooney rule. I promise you he's not. And if
Speaker 1: it wasn't, then if it's not for that what you're suggesting,
Speaker 1: it's let me pick your brain about defense, right, and
Speaker 1: then you know what you're looking for if it's not him,
Speaker 1: But that occurred to me. Also, Marvin Lewis has been
Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL for almost twenty years
Speaker 1: yea with one spot, taking the Bengals to multiple playoff
Speaker 1: parents is I mean, he's a qualified, outstanding coach who,
Speaker 1: by the way, has a super Bowl ring for defense
Speaker 1: with maybe one of the definitely one of the greatest
Speaker 1: defense we've ever seen in Baltimore in two thousand he
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator that Ravens team. But you know,
Speaker 1: it has to be said that he has not won.
Speaker 1: He did not win a playoff. I'm gonna say if
Speaker 1: you're and his credentials are fantastic, and that's great, but
Speaker 1: like if you're taking it at face value that they
Speaker 1: were interviewing him to be the head coach, he couldn't
Speaker 1: take his team to the round that Jason Garrett couldn't
Speaker 1: get passed, and that's that just was never gonna sit
Speaker 1: well with Cowboys fans, Like he couldn't get out of
Speaker 1: the wildcard round, and it was it wasn't like he
Speaker 1: was always getting into the wildcard round at nine and
Speaker 1: seven either, Like he went one and done with some
Speaker 1: twelve and four teams in Cincinnati. You know, if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, Jason Garrett might have been the first guy
Speaker 1: to interview back in two thousand and seven. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't him, it was three guys on the staff already,
Speaker 1: the Todd Bowles and I believe Sperrano. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: certainly hired, yo way he was hired, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying he was. He was interviewed for the head coaching
Speaker 1: job and became an assistant obviously the offensive coordinator. So
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that happens. I don't know, though, I don't
Speaker 1: know if McCarthy Marvin Lewis. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: if that works there, but it's neither do I. But man,
Speaker 1: that would be that would be some next level maneuvering
Speaker 1: by Jerry Jones. If you interview a candidate that satisfies
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule, hire Mike McCarthy, and then slot Marvin
Speaker 1: Lewis in as his defensive coordinator. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: any fan will say, you can't hire Marvin Lewis to
Speaker 1: be your head coach, but will immediately be like Marvin
Speaker 1: Lewis as the DC. You got me listening now, like
Speaker 1: like Wade Phillips exactly a veteran guy with skins on
Speaker 1: the wall. He's coached Ray Lewis, he's coached Ed Reid,
Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl with the greatest defense of
Speaker 1: all time. Blah blah blah blah blah. That sounds awfully
Speaker 1: intriguing to me when you think about this defense having
Speaker 1: a lot on talent and not a lot on leadership.
Speaker 1: And there's another point. He's available, Yeah, very available, because
Speaker 1: when you put a staff together, you may have all
Speaker 1: these guys you like, they may not be available. So
Speaker 1: you know, right now, name me an available defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: that you would sink your teeth into. And that's hard
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I mean to start. Oh, no, that is
Speaker 1: a name that kind of saying is available. Well, he's
Speaker 1: on the Saint staff. I don't think he's a linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but that you might. We've talked about this before.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be quality control. And as long
Speaker 1: as you're not getting right offered as the head coach,
Speaker 1: you're still under contract, right, and you have to look
Speaker 1: at what his contract is, yeah, which and that's never public.
Speaker 1: Although I Mike Nolan's name has gotten thrown out there.
Speaker 1: Um he was. McCarthy worked for him for a year
Speaker 1: when he was the forty nine ers head coach. I
Speaker 1: don't see any other corresponding moves. But I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: a long time defensive coach in this league. Dad was
Speaker 1: coach here, right, Yeah, Yeah, So there's yeah, there's ties
Speaker 1: there a late great Dick Nolan that's gonna be that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and again for the eighteenth time, they're nothing
Speaker 1: official has been announced. It certainly sounds like McCarthy's going
Speaker 1: to be the ninth head coach of the Cowboys, but
Speaker 1: it's not official. But if it is, the next question
Speaker 1: is what does that mean about this staff? Because for
Speaker 1: all the guys that are out of contract, there's just
Speaker 1: as many that are under contract, several of whom I
Speaker 1: think Jerry Jones probably wants to keep around. And is
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy willing to play ball with that? And I
Speaker 1: this is just me. If this deal gets done, then
Speaker 1: we'll find out pretty quickly. I just I just have
Speaker 1: this gut feeling that there's I mean, there at least
Speaker 1: two two names come to mind immediately, Kellen Moore and
Speaker 1: John Kittna. And I just feel like I wonder if
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy kind of had to acquiesce and say, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be your head coach, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to play ball and keep those guys around. Well,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with Kitna being your quarterback coach, right sure,
Speaker 1: And if you think about what some of these other
Speaker 1: head coaches are doing, you can keep Kellen Moore to
Speaker 1: do all the coordinator work and then you're the guy
Speaker 1: on game day sort of the way Bill did it.
Speaker 1: He had coordinators, they weren't coordinators. Bill called the plays,
Speaker 1: he passed. He had a passing game and a running
Speaker 1: game coordinator and Peyton Haley. And there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: having a young guy kind of do all the leg
Speaker 1: work during the week and then and you're not freed up.
Speaker 1: That's what people are doing, right, I mean. And McCarthy
Speaker 1: was the Packers play caller for most, if not all,
Speaker 1: of his tenure there. I looked this up. He there
Speaker 1: was one year in twenty fifteen he gave it up.
Speaker 1: He gave it up to Tom Clements and I looked
Speaker 1: up the stats. They were twenty third in total offense,
Speaker 1: fifteenth and scoring and he took it back to you.
Speaker 1: I had to say one year. I knew that if
Speaker 1: you did it for one year, well, you know, if
Speaker 1: you remember twenty fourteen, they were on the just on
Speaker 1: the cusp of the Super Bowl again, had an error
Speaker 1: on special teams. I believe you. See you keep saying that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you keep mentioning the dropped on site kick, but you
Speaker 1: don't ever bring up the thirteen point lead in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that just dwindled away. Actually, I think it
Speaker 1: was bigger than that, that's honestly, And like I said,
Speaker 1: I gotta do is fall on the ball and you're
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. All you gotta do is like
Speaker 1: coach a better fourth quarter and you win that game comfortably.
Speaker 1: That's honestly. All the officials have to do is see
Speaker 1: that Dez caught that ball and they're not even in
Speaker 1: that game. That's that's a different conferenation. That's much different conversation. No,
Speaker 1: I want to go back and look at this, but
Speaker 1: my point is they lost that game, and I think
Speaker 1: there was nineteen to seven with eleven minutes to play.
Speaker 1: The word was that after that loss, he wanted to
Speaker 1: be more of a walk around guy to kind of
Speaker 1: keep the pulse of everything, and the offense wasn't what
Speaker 1: it normally was with a healthy Aaron Rodgers in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and he took it back. So yeah, he has been
Speaker 1: buying large. I believe the play caller in Green Bay
Speaker 1: for many years. I mean, I bet Sean Payton has
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. Do you think Carmichael anything more than
Speaker 1: just a title because he's doing it, So you would
Speaker 1: need somebody to do that, and you need probably somebody
Speaker 1: on the staff to retain that has some connection to
Speaker 1: the team. Yeah. Yeah, I remember Wade Phillips said that
Speaker 1: several years ago when he joined the staff. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, coaches will always do that. You never just
Speaker 1: just wipe out the entire staff, because what happens is
Speaker 1: is that you end up making the same mistakes on
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, So it is good to have
Speaker 1: a couple of holdovers to say, all right, tell me
Speaker 1: about him, and if not, because you you're just gonna go, well,
Speaker 1: this guy's you know, this guy looks great. What's the problem.
Speaker 1: And you know, they kind of have some history there,
Speaker 1: and the perceptions already out there that Jerry's going to
Speaker 1: force these coaches on Mike McCarthy, But I wouldn't view
Speaker 1: it as forcing No, it's kind of like Matt Rule
Speaker 1: turned down the Jets job last year because he didn't
Speaker 1: want that. And if McCarthy does sign a contract to
Speaker 1: be the Cowboys coach, it's because he agreed in principle
Speaker 1: that this that he's okay with whatever is going to
Speaker 1: remain over from the last staff. I would assume he's
Speaker 1: not going to sign onto a job without having a
Speaker 1: pretty clear idea of what Jerry wants to do with
Speaker 1: the staff. And I'm sure and also, when coaches interview
Speaker 1: for jobs, they've always got a short list of who
Speaker 1: they would hire and who they want, So I'm sure
Speaker 1: that you know that's part of the discussion here. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's the first question they ask you during the interview.
Speaker 1: It's like, what kind of staff you're going to put together? Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and basically I think I think it's the other
Speaker 1: way around too. I think that the coach ask how
Speaker 1: many guys do I get? I know that that's what
Speaker 1: happens in college. You're like, all right, I get go
Speaker 1: to this place, I can take four with me. I
Speaker 1: can go this place, I can take seven. So I
Speaker 1: bet you Mike McCarthy has a number of how many
Speaker 1: people he can take and which guys are going to
Speaker 1: stay Where I wonder is where does if at all?
Speaker 1: But where or how does Jason Witten factor in here?
Speaker 1: Because you know he could be a coach on staff.
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I've been told about Witten is
Speaker 1: that you know, yeah, he wanted to be a head
Speaker 1: coach somewhere, and he still might. But if he has
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go and learn from some people's, some veterans,
Speaker 1: and this would be one of those cases, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he's got a role somewhere. I believe Doug must
Speaker 1: nuss Meyer is out of contract, yes he is so well,
Speaker 1: and Win hasn't announced what he wants to do, no,
Speaker 1: but he has said that at some point in his
Speaker 1: life future he would like to get into coaching, as
Speaker 1: his grandfather did it, his brother's doing it. I was
Speaker 1: actually on a similar line. I was thinking, um, you know,
Speaker 1: because McCarthy obviously was in Green Bay forever. They drafted
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb while he was there, So a lot of
Speaker 1: people kind of tie those you know, connect those dots, like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this helps their chances of bringing back Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's also from Pittsburgh. Which is where Sean Lee
Speaker 1: is from. And I don't think they really have a
Speaker 1: history together. But I was like, damn, connecting those just
Speaker 1: just reaching, just grabbing at straws right now, why not
Speaker 1: don't that's an interesting that's interesting. Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think there's going to be a new linebackers coach. That's true.
Speaker 1: Ben Bloom is out of contract. I believe it's the
Speaker 1: team doesn't tell you. They don't know none of It's
Speaker 1: these coach contracts really like they do players. But that's
Speaker 1: the reports. I think probably need to hire the defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator before we hire the linebacker. I'm gonna say that's
Speaker 1: there's gonna be if this would do it, you would
Speaker 1: think this sounds like it should be official by midweek.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then you get the ball rolling.
Speaker 1: I mean, I said last night that I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if they went to the Senior Bowl without a
Speaker 1: head coach. Obviously, like that definitely looks like it's gonna
Speaker 1: like they're gonna have a head coach when they go
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. But let's say, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: say they finalized this Wednesday. That gives them almost two
Speaker 1: weeks before they even go to Mobile, Like I would
Speaker 1: assume they'll have a pretty finalized staff by the time
Speaker 1: they get to Mobile. I think would be an advantage
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, and you know, if this does
Speaker 1: get done, and again it's not official, maybe we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised that it's taken a few days because you know,
Speaker 1: Jason was in the final year of his deal. There
Speaker 1: was not a commitment to him beyond twenty nineteen, so
Speaker 1: you had to know Jerry and Stephen had a shortlist
Speaker 1: of what they wanted to do plans if this didn't
Speaker 1: work out, and obviously it was a disappointing finish to
Speaker 1: the season. Well they should have if they were due
Speaker 1: and their due diligent, right, you got to have a
Speaker 1: list just in case. And I think that's question they did.
Speaker 1: I think that's what weirded people out though, And I
Speaker 1: think y'all's theory sounds right that they didn't want to
Speaker 1: just step out on Jason Garrett until they had a
Speaker 1: good contingency plan in place. But I think most people
Speaker 1: would say is like, at this point it needed to
Speaker 1: be somebody different, even like it just needed to be
Speaker 1: another guy. Even if you didn't get the Mike McCarthy like,
Speaker 1: you just got to try something new. So the thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say, well, if the Panthers had like
Speaker 1: snatched Mike McCarthy out from under you on Friday, you're
Speaker 1: really just gonna meet with Jason again and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's run this thing back. Like that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a good idea at all. And I think
Speaker 1: I think Mike McCarthy is probably you know, some fan bases,
Speaker 1: and there's some fans out there that aren't really that
Speaker 1: excited about it. But you know, I think that he's
Speaker 1: into a good situation because for the most part, like
Speaker 1: you said, just anybody knew was what fans will want.
Speaker 1: And so if this guy's done it and he's actually
Speaker 1: been to the place that Garrett couldn't go, you know,
Speaker 1: the championship Game, obviously Super Bowl. I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: people out there that don't like it, but I think
Speaker 1: most people are probably at least okay with it. For
Speaker 1: a lot of the reasons that we've already talked about
Speaker 1: is like he doesn't have to learn on the job.
Speaker 1: Like Mick pointed out, he's been here before. He can
Speaker 1: command authority in the locker room. He's obviously with whatever
Speaker 1: you say about Rogers, like, he's gotten his team deep
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and so with a roster like this,
Speaker 1: you can just plug and go and if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: then two three years from now you're like, well, let's
Speaker 1: start this thing over. And but it'll be a drastically
Speaker 1: different team by that point, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: older team for sure. Most playoff wins since two thousand
Speaker 1: and six for coaches, Bill Belichick has twenty. The next
Speaker 1: guy is John Harbaugh and Mike McCarthy at ten. So,
Speaker 1: like you guys said, he has done it. And the thing, Dave,
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about college coaches and guys that
Speaker 1: have a lot of bright ideas that would be interesting candidates.
Speaker 1: But to me, if they hire McCarthy, they're getting they're
Speaker 1: getting that, but they're getting the experience with it. Because
Speaker 1: I said this on our podcast, our Joint podcast last week.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna move on from Jason Garrett, you're gonna
Speaker 1: pay Dak Prescott a lot of money one way or
Speaker 1: another next year. This year, whether it's the franchise tag
Speaker 1: or a long term deal, he's coming back. You gotta
Speaker 1: get every penny out of that you got to make
Speaker 1: sure he is can reach another level than what he
Speaker 1: did this year, which was a terrific season. Thirty touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: almost a franchise record in passing yards. That's got it.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. It would be your main investment to
Speaker 1: get as much as you can out of Dak And
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a better guy out there
Speaker 1: to do that than McCarthy based on his resume. So
Speaker 1: you guys talked about McCarthy being with Aaron Rodgers or
Speaker 1: Brett Farve. Yeah, how many did Belichick have? Twenty? Say
Speaker 1: again Belichick twenty? Yeah, he had a pretty good one too,
Speaker 1: any of those without Brady? No? No, did he get
Speaker 1: one in Cleveland? Maybe? Oh? Well, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: Mick I dodn't think anybody's going to minimize his record now.
Speaker 1: But then then you look at hardball. You know, in hardball,
Speaker 1: is that probably going to pass McCarthy? I would imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens in the playoffs, because
Speaker 1: as we saw this past weekend, you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: some good, strong parody in those top twelve teams. And
Speaker 1: you know what three road teams won. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: fourth one was over time, and you know, Buffalo had
Speaker 1: plenty of chances to win that game, or you know,
Speaker 1: not plenty, but they had chances enough enough chances to win.
Speaker 1: You know, that was that was a good game. And
Speaker 1: so what I'm saying is going back to hardball, he
Speaker 1: I mean, he's won with Flacco. I guess is that
Speaker 1: it was that was Billick, Billick, it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been Flacco. I mean, they got to the playoffs
Speaker 1: last year, but they lost to the Chargers, I believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's won a game without Flacco yet,
Speaker 1: I'd have to look. But he's a guy that's totally
Speaker 1: readvented himself in terms of embracing analytics, they say. And also,
Speaker 1: nobody in their right mind is putting Flacco in the
Speaker 1: conversation with Rogers and Brady either. Oh no, no, he
Speaker 1: had a heck of a playoff run in twenty twelves,
Speaker 1: I guess. And that's like I'm coming around on this
Speaker 1: idea because to your point, McCarthy is like, he's got
Speaker 1: proven credentials, but you've also like you've watched him, right,
Speaker 1: if you know football at all, you've watched him for
Speaker 1: a decade, like like he's kind of stubborn with his playbook,
Speaker 1: Like his late game management doesn't seem amazing again, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of bungled the end of that NFC championship game.
Speaker 1: It's all stuff that every coach does. But anybody that's
Speaker 1: watched football for the last fifteen years has seen it.
Speaker 1: You know, they've watched Packer games and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. Mike McCarthy, like you kind
Speaker 1: of let's say he's like he's at like an eight,
Speaker 1: like you're getting an eight, and that's great, But then
Speaker 1: you think about, let's just for example, use Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1: He could be theoretically, in your mind, he could be
Speaker 1: like the Sean McVay who's like a ten, and you know,
Speaker 1: the entire NFL world is talking about, like, look how
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley has changed the game. Like remember how absurd
Speaker 1: it was with Sean McVay last year. It could everybody
Speaker 1: getting hired around the league Kingsbury because you're looking for
Speaker 1: the next McVeigh and it could be that, and the
Speaker 1: potential is intriguing, but the risk that it doesn't pan
Speaker 1: out is obviously what scares you. And so McCarthy. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's just a steady good hire. It's probably
Speaker 1: like you're not just jumping for joy about it. But
Speaker 1: I can't knock it either. Sorry. Can y'all think of
Speaker 1: a game where Garrett kind of like messed up at
Speaker 1: the end of the game and didn't they didn't win
Speaker 1: because of late game management. Can y'all think of a
Speaker 1: specific game. I mean, I'm not saying it didn't happen.
Speaker 1: It happens. You know that, you can, you can. There's
Speaker 1: a few losses there. I mean, I know it's happened,
Speaker 1: But like to come up with one shocking example, Well,
Speaker 1: the one he gets accused of and wrongly was the
Speaker 1: end of the game, but he had kicking coach and
Speaker 1: his special team's coach running down the sideline yelling at
Speaker 1: him to call time out because they got on the
Speaker 1: field late. I think My point to that is, I
Speaker 1: think and there's some fans I know that that are
Speaker 1: they're oh, this game, in this game, But rarely do
Speaker 1: they ever say, well, what a great job by that
Speaker 1: coach to win that game and ten playoff wins for McCarthy.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it happened where they did a nice
Speaker 1: job stretching the Cowboys was one of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: and in that game in fourteen and in sixteen, actually
Speaker 1: think about it, he did. His best decision in that
Speaker 1: fourteen game was to challenge to catch, right, he threw
Speaker 1: a red flag. Yeah, that that won the game for him.
Speaker 1: I'll always I'll always be annoyed about the way Garrett
Speaker 1: handled the end. Coincidentally enough, the end of the twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen Packers game, they didn't try it. They didn't try
Speaker 1: it all to run time off the clockt and just
Speaker 1: gave Rogers the ball back with like forty eight seconds.
Speaker 1: So you wanted your cake and eat it too, right, No,
Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure you didn't lose. I want
Speaker 1: you also wanted to run the time up. Look at
Speaker 1: Sean Payton yesterday, right, Oh, Sean a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: He could have spent a time out and saved ten
Speaker 1: seconds and that that honestly, that time out to the
Speaker 1: to the locker room. This kind of proves My point
Speaker 1: is like, if you've watched any coach for long enough,
Speaker 1: you've seen him screw stuff up. It's it's just that
Speaker 1: we're so close to it here, and the fans are
Speaker 1: too because they're following their team. It's but you only
Speaker 1: see it here. But I mean the Packers are just
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys. Like if they're playing a moderately interesting game,
Speaker 1: it's going to be on national TV. They've been in
Speaker 1: the playoffs more than almost anybody over the last decade,
Speaker 1: so you've had a lot of chances to see Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy screw stuff up. And that's if you're not excited
Speaker 1: about this higher that's probably why. And it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's a bad coach. It's just you get you know,
Speaker 1: you color your opinion based on like the fifteen percent
Speaker 1: of what you see in these huge moments and not
Speaker 1: the noon kickoff against the Panthers in September. So what's
Speaker 1: the bar for Mike McCarthy? Why don't we uh, why
Speaker 1: don't we talk about that when we come back? Good tease? Yeah,
Speaker 1: big with the tease. I love it. Let's let's talk
Speaker 1: about the bar for Mike McCarthy if indeed he is
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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studio. It's been about eighteen hours since
Speaker 1: the Cowboys announced Jason Garrett would not have his contract renewed,
Speaker 1: and now we've got reports that Mike McCarthy might be
Speaker 1: on his way to replace him, and Mick left us
Speaker 1: with a wonderful tease a few minutes ago. If it
Speaker 1: is Mike McCarthy as the cowboys ninth head coach in
Speaker 1: franchise history, what's the bar for him? Yeah? What's the
Speaker 1: what's the what is it for success? What does he
Speaker 1: have to do? I think we know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same as it was. So what do you
Speaker 1: do if you don't get a new guy? I mean,
Speaker 1: so every year you don't go to Oh no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: you're to some degree, this is a clean slate, right,
Speaker 1: Like Mike McCarthy doesn't have to He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl next year to keep his job,
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs? What about that? What if he
Speaker 1: goes eight and eight? Have you seen that? What if
Speaker 1: he goes eight and name? So, do you realize that
Speaker 1: in Garrett's nine years, eight times either went to the
Speaker 1: playoffs or had a chance in game fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 1: to go to the playoffs. Eight of the nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how many did he get there? I just said,
Speaker 1: so the next guy better be that close, if not better.
Speaker 1: McCarthy went like eight years and art not here. I know,
Speaker 1: but I mean that sounds really great, like it's a
Speaker 1: great statistic until you remember that he lost most of
Speaker 1: those I got it, I got it. Yeah. And the
Speaker 1: fact that those you know, those teams were eight and
Speaker 1: eight and lost in the last game of the year
Speaker 1: to go to win the NFC East, which meant that,
Speaker 1: you know, nine and seven I think won the NFC's
Speaker 1: that just goes to show how bad it really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when when you're when you're getting
Speaker 1: to play the same six teams that are all bad,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that just kind of goes to show
Speaker 1: just how average or below average or team really was.
Speaker 1: I think one of them went ten and six, I
Speaker 1: can't remember which one. They were eight and eight, and
Speaker 1: I thought they had a chance every year, but they
Speaker 1: the team that they were nine and seven and a
Speaker 1: few ti It's actually it's that's a point I thought
Speaker 1: of earlier in the show. I pulled up the Packers
Speaker 1: playoff history, and something that jumps out to me is
Speaker 1: like when he gets there, or when he has gotten there,
Speaker 1: his team is successful more often than not. And when
Speaker 1: I say successful, I mean they win a game at
Speaker 1: least like twenty ten. Obviously, this story'd run through the
Speaker 1: playoffs as a wild card. They won games in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: They obviously twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and twenty sixteen. You're
Speaker 1: winning at least one, if not multiple games. Ironically, I
Speaker 1: think they went they went one and done three times.
Speaker 1: Once was a twenty thirteen team where you know, Rogers
Speaker 1: broke his collar bone and they barely got in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, early in Rodgers career, they lost in overtime.
Speaker 1: They also they went one and done with like arguably
Speaker 1: the best team of the modern era, the fifteen and
Speaker 1: one Packers, lost to the Giants in their first playoff game.
Speaker 1: That sucks, but way more often than not, when he
Speaker 1: has gotten to the playoffs, they've managed to put a
Speaker 1: run together. So that's intriguing at the very least. Here's
Speaker 1: how I kind of define it. The expectations one of
Speaker 1: the frustrating parts. I know, they haven't been to a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or won a Super Bowl in twenty five years,
Speaker 1: but they also haven't They've been on this roller coaster
Speaker 1: track of getting in and not getting in, and getting
Speaker 1: getting in and not getting in. And there are certain teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look around the NFC, it's hard to
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. The Eagles have won, the Saints
Speaker 1: have won. Sean Payton all those years one, Mike mccarth
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers all those years won. Seahawks won. But
Speaker 1: those team you point to those teams and they're usually
Speaker 1: in the field. They at least give themselves a shot,
Speaker 1: And to me, that's got to be the expectation that
Speaker 1: every year we're in and and watching these games over
Speaker 1: the weekend. It's a crapshoot. These are all close games.
Speaker 1: There's not much difference between these teams. But that's got
Speaker 1: to be the more of the consistency that I think
Speaker 1: the Joneses are looking for. That's just my opinion. I
Speaker 1: mean that point a lot. And there have been different
Speaker 1: reasons for why not, obviously, Mick. I mean, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: they lost their quarterback. Twenty seventeen, you lost seek for
Speaker 1: six games. You know, there have been reasons for it.
Speaker 1: It's not all on Jason Garrett. But what year was
Speaker 1: it in Washington, Twelve or thirteen when Romo was playing
Speaker 1: with the back that needed surgery, um the final game
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm getting so twelve they lost the last
Speaker 1: game in the year to the red Skins. Thirteen he
Speaker 1: heard his back in the second to last game and
Speaker 1: then couldn't play the last Kyle Orton played against Philly.
Speaker 1: That's so, you know, some bad for Jason Garrett during
Speaker 1: this run, There's no question about it. But that's the expectation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they just gotta give themselves more chances at this.
Speaker 1: There's been bad luck, obviously, but you know for nine years.
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna say, like there has been
Speaker 1: bad luck, but a decade long trend. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had a long time in the chair.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about twenty thirteen the I mean the
Speaker 1: Packers had a similar thing happen to them. They didn't
Speaker 1: have Rogers for the meat of the season. They actually
Speaker 1: came down here with Matt Flynn and overcame a twenty
Speaker 1: six to three deficit to keep their playoff hopes alive
Speaker 1: and wound up winning the division on the last day
Speaker 1: of the year. So there has been some bad luck,
Speaker 1: but you can overcome bad luck a lot of times too.
Speaker 1: I am intrigued Orton throwing that interception on the last position.
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued looking at this, like, Okay, oh seven, they
Speaker 1: make it with far oh eight, they don't make it
Speaker 1: in Rogers's first year, and then from nine to sixteen
Speaker 1: to your point, like they're in it every year. Of course,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is a big part of that, but that's
Speaker 1: pretty shocking consistency. And these weren't all world beater teams,
Speaker 1: by the way, and one year they didn't. They had
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback took over for Rogers. Yep, and here
Speaker 1: a kid from you. So yeah, I know you're talking
Speaker 1: about Hanley or Huntley. Um. You know the thing is
Speaker 1: is you can you can say, well, no, they they've
Speaker 1: had the best quarterback or one of the best quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in that time. But who have been the running backs?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I've mean that there's been
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Uh, Lacy and you know different.
Speaker 1: I can't even think of all all those guys. Got
Speaker 1: a couple of good years out of Lacy obviously. Jones
Speaker 1: and Jamal Williams have been there for the last two
Speaker 1: or three years. Montgomery at one point going i'd have
Speaker 1: to I mean, I want to say I'm on mine,
Speaker 1: but he did not play for Mike McCarthy. It's kind
Speaker 1: by years and with the Pats you got Brady and
Speaker 1: then it's kind of a rotating cat. So so if
Speaker 1: you know, Mike McCarthy should be a good enough coach
Speaker 1: to like, all right, because all the really good coaches
Speaker 1: to say, all right, what do I have? They can
Speaker 1: work with that. So no, he doesn't have the best
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL with the best arm. He's got
Speaker 1: a young quarterback who can you know he can he
Speaker 1: can win some games. He's going to be as competitive
Speaker 1: as you'll get. He's not the most accurate of quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but he can throw the ball around, you know, evident
Speaker 1: by those yards. But he does have one of the
Speaker 1: best running backs in the in the NFL, and so
Speaker 1: maybe from that standpoint that you know, the game will
Speaker 1: be a little bit different. It's it's not he doesn't
Speaker 1: have Rogers, but he has Zeke and that's something better
Speaker 1: than he's ever had in those teams. I think. I
Speaker 1: think that's an amazing point. Rob is like, I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: the goal is to you know, reach your first conference
Speaker 1: title game and when your first super Bowl and forever.
Speaker 1: But barring that, get be in the conversation every year.
Speaker 1: And that's that's been the maddening thing about the Cowboys, obvious,
Speaker 1: I mean, the maddening thing is that they haven't won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl since ninety five. But on top of that,
Speaker 1: they can't sustain success to save their lives. And I
Speaker 1: will say this, it's weirdly formulaic at this point. It
Speaker 1: go it's playoffs heartbreak slash disappointment playoffs disappointment going back
Speaker 1: for longer than I care to recount. I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: it is hard to do because how many teams they
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl one year don't even make it.
Speaker 1: The Rams are the latest team, but there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of teams like that that it does speak to
Speaker 1: the parody. I mean, it's not easy to do. Half
Speaker 1: the playoff field turns over every year. So why didn't
Speaker 1: Bill be able to accomplish that? Bill parcels ourselves here
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys. Well, he was starting kind of from
Speaker 1: scratch in two thousand and three and was the greatest
Speaker 1: coroaching job better arguably, Yes, And then what happened to
Speaker 1: oh four, he lost his quarterback, Yeah, you know the
Speaker 1: quarterback quarterback. You know, it went with a forty year old,
Speaker 1: and they weren't They weren't as good. And in the
Speaker 1: next two years they were nine and seven. But you know,
Speaker 1: they caught a hot streak there. Actually they were ten
Speaker 1: in six, I believe with with Ramos with Bloods playoffs
Speaker 1: and we'll drop the snap. That's what happened. So the
Speaker 1: last time they went to playoffs back to back years
Speaker 1: oh six and no seven six O seven And how
Speaker 1: about this that which won't be changed next year and
Speaker 1: it can't be changed until two years, not since Chan Gailey.
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey's the last coach that has led the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to back to back playoffs in six and he got
Speaker 1: fired right ten, six and eight and eight, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he got fired. Yeah, but no coach in Cowboys history
Speaker 1: has gone to the playoffs two straight years. Parcels couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And then when Parcels did it and oh six,
Speaker 1: Wade came into next year. So they have gone back
Speaker 1: to back years. Well, I mean Jimmy did it since
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey? Oh I thought, I thought you said in
Speaker 1: Cowboys history and then obviously Tom Landry. Yeah, not the
Speaker 1: same coach has done it in back to back year,
Speaker 1: which is which is really impressive. When you look at
Speaker 1: that statu McCarthy and these teams, you know, that's that
Speaker 1: just blew my mind and Chan and Chan basically got
Speaker 1: fired because he couldn't win a playoff game. One year
Speaker 1: he gets wiped out by Minnesota and then the next year,
Speaker 1: first year with Arizona, Arizona was the first year. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a question that falls in line with that, if
Speaker 1: this deal is signed and finalized, how long do you
Speaker 1: think it would be? How long is the contract? Like
Speaker 1: coaching contracts, head coaching contracts are typically five years, right,
Speaker 1: that's what Jason had right a couple different times. How long?
Speaker 1: I mean four or five years? I'm sitting here with
Speaker 1: I mean, you might be right, and I mean, Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's arguably the most desirable candidate on the market. He
Speaker 1: might have demanded that, But like the reason I ask
Speaker 1: in the first place, is this roster seems like it's
Speaker 1: set up now, you know what I mean? Yes, two
Speaker 1: to three year window. I think you've got a maximum
Speaker 1: of four years that you can expect this offensive line
Speaker 1: to play at this level, and it's probably less than that.
Speaker 1: You've got a maximum of like four years where Zeke
Speaker 1: is really in his prime, DeMarcus Lawrence will be thirty
Speaker 1: and three four years, all of that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: And so is this a situation where it's like we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you three years because like we're not building
Speaker 1: from scratch. The team is here and not my point? Yeah, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I don't know if McCarthy would
Speaker 1: be willing to sign a shorter deal. But that's the
Speaker 1: vibe I get is like most teams when you sign
Speaker 1: a new coach or like this is the start of
Speaker 1: an entirely new era. We're gonna do all this new stuff.
Speaker 1: Like here, it's just like the team's here, let's let's
Speaker 1: get over the hump. And I wonder if that affects
Speaker 1: their expectations for when he does it and how quickly, etc.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I mean, I feel like the
Speaker 1: team is here offensively, but defensively, there's a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys up for free agency. Yeah, potential,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a new look defense's coordinator. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be an important hire for whoever is the
Speaker 1: head coach, if indeeded, but wouldn't h Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: three four for a long time with Dom Capers. But
Speaker 1: they don't have three four defensive ends here. They do
Speaker 1: not not they do, but one he's been suspended for
Speaker 1: like two years. Oh, Randy Gregory, he's not totally could
Speaker 1: play linebacker. Yeah, three No, talking about three four edge rusher.
Speaker 1: You're right, they don't have any true three Crawfords. Crawford
Speaker 1: could play it, yes, and that's about it. Malik. Now
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Malik free agent and he's a
Speaker 1: free agent, but he was at one point he was
Speaker 1: first on the team in quarterback pressures. Now I think
Speaker 1: he finished second or third, but he's right up there.
Speaker 1: Twenty five twenty seven. That's a lot of pressures for
Speaker 1: a guy that's playing the one in three, So getting
Speaker 1: up the field and holding your blocks and all that
Speaker 1: stuff at the same time. He might be able to
Speaker 1: do that. Now does he want that as a free
Speaker 1: agent or does he want to just say I'm going
Speaker 1: to take the money for a position that I did
Speaker 1: him good at. You know, um, but I'm just saying
Speaker 1: you could do they have the three four rushers right
Speaker 1: now that you're right about it, Randy Gregory, that's perfect
Speaker 1: for him. But I mean, yeah, I mean it's mainly kidding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which and I couldn't imagine even if that was in
Speaker 1: the long term plans, like Kim Smith, can't imagine them
Speaker 1: making that Smith think about it. Three four rush Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that guy's got a cover now. But he's covering
Speaker 1: now kind of yeah, And who do they pick on
Speaker 1: when he's covering? Does he have the length like the
Speaker 1: I mean Randy Gregory's fingertips touched the ground. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jalen's got the length to that
Speaker 1: might be what I want him to do. What's your point?
Speaker 1: Swipe up there? What's he done? Probably the best is
Speaker 1: go forward? Yeah, and make plays forward. He has a
Speaker 1: knack for it. He's savvy doing it. Now. I guess
Speaker 1: it must be stated we don't know. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: know the status rod change in the formation. Chris Rochard,
Speaker 1: who interviewed with the Giants for their head coaching vacancy
Speaker 1: last week. Um, but yeah, we'll see what happens. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of questions to be answered. Still, would you
Speaker 1: agree with me? Like this is not a defense that
Speaker 1: needs to be like utterly rebuilt. Like the pieces are
Speaker 1: in place for them to be good. Maybe not like
Speaker 1: absolutely elite, but I mean, if you're taking over a job,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, you have a you have a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl caliber edge rusher. Um, you know you've got two
Speaker 1: really really good linebackers, assuming one of them comes back healthy.
Speaker 1: I mean that's two. When levels of your defense can't
Speaker 1: agree with you, there real questions. I really don't because
Speaker 1: because they're not even under contract. Those guys aren't under
Speaker 1: CONTRACTE Well, the three you listed, but one of them
Speaker 1: hasn't proven that he's ready to play yet in Layton,
Speaker 1: and that one that scares me because he's got a
Speaker 1: neck injury. And Jalen Smith, I I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think he took a step back. I mean he didn't,
Speaker 1: there's no come out. Took a step back. So I
Speaker 1: got questions with Tyrone Crawford, I got questions with Malik
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, Byron Jones. I don't Cheeto got benched later
Speaker 1: in the year, Jeff Heats the free agent. But you
Speaker 1: needed an upgrade anyway? Where did it not take the
Speaker 1: next step? Jordan Lewis? Will you know Jordan Lewis is
Speaker 1: a good player. I think they should they should try
Speaker 1: to They should try to keep him for sure. But see,
Speaker 1: and what we're talking about is talking pass rush and
Speaker 1: pass defense, and they can't stop the run. I didn't
Speaker 1: say that there wasn't any work to do. I just
Speaker 1: know there's more pieces in place that can't expect the run.
Speaker 1: When you are replacing a coach, they can't think about
Speaker 1: why they lost some of those games. They couldn't stop
Speaker 1: to shoot. Yeah, which we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll actually be willing to invest in defensive tackles
Speaker 1: this offseason. Well yeah, another change, and do you change
Speaker 1: the concept of your defense, like the philosophy of get
Speaker 1: up the field, get up the field, and when they
Speaker 1: were getting up the field, the other team was going
Speaker 1: down the field the other way. A really interesting point.
Speaker 1: I know we're running out of time, but you know
Speaker 1: there's a you know, just following people that are familiar
Speaker 1: with the Packers on Twitter. Bob Sturm is a lifelong
Speaker 1: Packers fan. Kevin Turner, Um, it'd be an interesting dynamic
Speaker 1: if McCarthy is the coach in terms of his dynamic
Speaker 1: with the front office, because Green Bay couldn't be less
Speaker 1: like this, Like Ted Thompson when he was there, like
Speaker 1: he in the Shadows, he doesn't talk to the media,
Speaker 1: He does his own thing. He doesn't necessarily even to
Speaker 1: interact with the coach on a regular basis. We all
Speaker 1: know it's the opposite here, Like it's much more involved.
Speaker 1: The general manager is the most public figure in the franchise.
Speaker 1: That's I'm going to be interested to see. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge departure from what he was
Speaker 1: used to in Green Bay, hopefully for the better. Well,
Speaker 1: he understands he took I mean, he had an other job. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: he had our other interviews, right, so whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: the platform is, he understands going in. So many questions
Speaker 1: to be answered. We hope to get in to do
Speaker 1: another hour if you were to, we really could, really could,
Speaker 1: but I think we're out of time. I can go
Speaker 1: to twelve twenty. Oh, you got stuff to do. That's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair, That's all right. We I mean, we'll call
Speaker 1: it aday. We got reports that Mike McCarthy might be
Speaker 1: the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, not confirmed yet.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot com for all of
Speaker 1: the late breaking news. We'll let you know if we
Speaker 1: hear anything. Officials shows tomorrow on Wednesday, Yes, right, I
Speaker 1: believe talking Cowboys. You back at eleven, Okay, those guys
Speaker 1: are back, yeah, and Hanging with the Boys will be
Speaker 1: at twelve that day. So and the draft show starts
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Not that that really has anything to do
Speaker 1: with this, Okay, Brian, I'm excited. Who's all with you?
Speaker 1: It'll be me, Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh. If you listen
Speaker 1: to our stuff, you're probably familiar with them. And my
Speaker 1: guy Kyle Yeoman, who's in the back right now joining
Speaker 1: us this year. Excited about that. Yeah, buddy, I thought
Speaker 1: that was a guy back there. That's Romo. Yeah, Romo face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be good. It was Kaden for a second. Kate
Speaker 1: is always in here. We gotta get kayten in front
Speaker 1: of the camera. Yeah, well all right, not today. Thanks
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