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Speaker 1: The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club and welcome into a

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Speaker 1: special All Star Roundtable podcast to discuss breaking news of

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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours, the Cowboys announcing Sunday night

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Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett will not return as head coach in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and reports not confirmed by the team at

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Speaker 1: this point. That's say Mike McCarthy is the choice to

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Speaker 1: replace him. Nothing official yet, but hey, we're here for

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Speaker 1: the next hour anyway, so why not just kick it around?

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Speaker 1: Might be official, it could be. Well, we'll know noon

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Speaker 1: Central time if on your Twitter account, Dave, you got it.

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Speaker 1: Dave's got the computer far enough, need you to tell

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Speaker 1: him that it's true? Please okay, computer phone, He's always ready.

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Speaker 1: That's Stave Hellman, Mickey Spagnola, Nick Eatman, Rob Phillips here

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Speaker 1: for the next hour. Well, we waited for a week

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Speaker 1: for news, and then we got it during the Eagles

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Speaker 1: Wildcard playoff game. Yeah, more than all things could bargain for. Like,

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Speaker 1: literally waited a week for news. Found out about coaching

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Speaker 1: interviews before we found out about the last one leaving.

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Speaker 1: Then we finally Yeah, during an Eagles game. No, less,

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Speaker 1: can't convince me that's an accident. There's just no way.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Cowboy fans were probably really excited, like

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Speaker 1: right there, like in the halftime that Jason Okay finally gone,

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Speaker 1: because I know a lot of Cowboy fans are excited

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Speaker 1: about that. And then the Eagles losing, I mean that

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Speaker 1: there you go. It's a nice Sunday afternoon. It's a

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Speaker 1: nice I mean, maybe not as nice as if they'd

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Speaker 1: then you know, obviously it's just reports. The team has

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Speaker 1: not made a statement or confirmed or not anything, but

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Speaker 1: sounds like they have chosen their coach. We'll see. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that the fact that it looks

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Speaker 1: letting go of Jason Garrett is pretty stunning to me, honestly. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's go around the table and talk about those reports.

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Speaker 1: And reportedly Mike McCarthy came in for an interview over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Marvin Lewis, former long time Bengals coach, was

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Speaker 1: also in for an interview. But reports this morning Mick

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Speaker 1: that they've zeroed in on McCarthy, the long time former

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Speaker 1: Stadium during the two twenty ten season. I believe there

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Speaker 1: you go ten years ago, ten years ago? What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Just threw it out It's ten years ago, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, the same year that Jason Garrett ironic. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, do you think Jerry Sly as

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Speaker 1: a Fox wanted something in writing for a new head

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Speaker 1: coach before he let the old head coach go? Officially?

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Speaker 1: I hope not, but it sounded like he might have,

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Speaker 1: but I hope not. Right Mike was he worried that

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just asking. I threw it out there. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what Jacksonville I think did I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think Jacksonville thought there was a lot of great coaches

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Speaker 1: And that's I think what Jerry was saying. But it's

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Speaker 1: a difference situation here. I hope that's not what happened,

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Speaker 1: but I think that there's something to that. I think

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Speaker 1: and look and see. And you know the bad part

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Speaker 1: I don't think maybe he could have. Maybe he gave

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Speaker 1: him the opportunity. Who knows if he had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to go interview somewhere else before this was made official

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Speaker 1: on Sunday that he's not returning. Yeah, would you imagine

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Speaker 1: they would have let him do that? But he wanted

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Speaker 1: He was asked. The last time he spoke publicly Jason

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Speaker 1: still want to be the coach? And he said, oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe I mean, And you know what, that's that's none

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Speaker 1: that's that's awkward. Like I was just thinking last night,

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Speaker 1: just remember when you threw that challenge flag on de

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Speaker 1: It isn't It's really interesting how their careers are intertwined.

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Speaker 1: Like big Game McCarthy beats. McCarthy beats the Cowboys forty

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Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought about the twenty ten game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's Packers got Jason Garrett this job in the

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Speaker 1: first place. Wade Phillips last game is head coach. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I mean, we're not probably sitting here if

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't lose that game to the Packers in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Yeah, you know, fourteen two, But it's sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Stung a little bit more now, just because you were

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Speaker 1: well it's because of Aaron Rodgers. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: much of it is is Mike McCarthy, how much of

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Speaker 1: it is Aaron Rodgers. As always, I think the truth

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Speaker 1: all the credit out of Mike McCarthy's hands for that,

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Speaker 1: but I certainly think the quarterback plays a role in that.

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Speaker 1: And I think you're absolutely right, like this, this feels

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Speaker 1: the top of the show, my dear friend Elyssa Cowie

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Speaker 1: but I thought it was an awesome analogy. It was

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Speaker 1: like Mike McCarthy is Zach Martin. Go back to twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: they had the choice between Johnny Manziel and Zach Martin.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. Well, there's probably more

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Speaker 1: if you remember, everyone knows that Jerry wanted yeah, Jerry

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Speaker 1: was tough that the same thing happened with DeMarcus Ware.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry told DeMarcus Ware that he was coming

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Speaker 1: Jerry was quoted. It was right after the Big twelve

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Speaker 1: But he's right in the sense that like hotshot college

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Speaker 1: a head coach that doesn't have any FL experience? I

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Speaker 1: that's the risk, right, Like for every time it doesn't

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Speaker 1: days as an assistant at Pittsburgh and with the Chiefs

427
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Speaker 1: to study how his philosophies have evolved over the past

428
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Speaker 1: thirty years and where he needs to go from here.

429
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: Nick saban know about that. I thought Alabama was the

430
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: thirty third team. So having said this year, sorry, does

431
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Speaker 1: he know who his defensive coordinator is going to be?

432
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Sounds like Jim Haslin was, you know. Yeah, No, I

433
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: wonder though, like I'm well, I wonder if, like you know,

434
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: they have this whole thing in Green Bay and they're

435
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: the thirty third staff. But Mike McCarthy gets this call

436
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: and he's like, aciate you guys, appreciate your health. I

437
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: get to take two. Yeah. No, seriously, He's like, I

438
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: only got two tickets. Uh, yeah, I don't. I have

439
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: a hard time believe in like that's that staff is

440
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: not coming here in full. I don't know the National

441
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: title game next week. Yeah, I got tickets to Paradise.

442
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: Don't remind me. I think defense coordinator. I mean, I

443
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he's already been interviewed. That's kind

444
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: of well. I would imagine when you interview, that's one

445
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: of the questions they ask you, Marvin Less, we're talking

446
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: Marvin listener, No, I'm talking Mike McCarthy. Who's your defensive coordinator?

447
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: Nick was implying, and I could see that happening also

448
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: if that's who he wants. You know, I know what

449
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: people think, and they can't be one hundred percent wrong,

450
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: because you have to interview a minority coach before you

451
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: can hire anyone, and they did that right off the bat.

452
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you that Marvin Lewis was not just

453
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: strictly Rooney rule. I promise you he's not. And if

454
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't, then if it's not for that what you're suggesting,

455
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: it's let me pick your brain about defense, right, and

456
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: then you know what you're looking for if it's not him,

457
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: But that occurred to me. Also, Marvin Lewis has been

458
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL for almost twenty years

459
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: yea with one spot, taking the Bengals to multiple playoff

460
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: parents is I mean, he's a qualified, outstanding coach who,

461
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: by the way, has a super Bowl ring for defense

462
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: with maybe one of the definitely one of the greatest

463
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: defense we've ever seen in Baltimore in two thousand he

464
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator that Ravens team. But you know,

465
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: it has to be said that he has not won.

466
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: He did not win a playoff. I'm gonna say if

467
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: you're and his credentials are fantastic, and that's great, but

468
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: like if you're taking it at face value that they

469
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: were interviewing him to be the head coach, he couldn't

470
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: take his team to the round that Jason Garrett couldn't

471
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: get passed, and that's that just was never gonna sit

472
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: well with Cowboys fans, Like he couldn't get out of

473
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: the wildcard round, and it was it wasn't like he

474
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: was always getting into the wildcard round at nine and

475
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: seven either, Like he went one and done with some

476
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: twelve and four teams in Cincinnati. You know, if I

477
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: remember correctly, Jason Garrett might have been the first guy

478
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: to interview back in two thousand and seven. If it

479
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: wasn't him, it was three guys on the staff already,

480
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: the Todd Bowles and I believe Sperrano. Maybe he was

481
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: certainly hired, yo way he was hired, but I'm just

482
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: saying he was. He was interviewed for the head coaching

483
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: job and became an assistant obviously the offensive coordinator. So

484
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that happens. I don't know, though, I don't

485
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: know if McCarthy Marvin Lewis. I don't know if that

486
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: if that works there, but it's neither do I. But man,

487
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: that would be that would be some next level maneuvering

488
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: by Jerry Jones. If you interview a candidate that satisfies

489
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule, hire Mike McCarthy, and then slot Marvin

490
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Lewis in as his defensive coordinator. And it's funny because

491
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: any fan will say, you can't hire Marvin Lewis to

492
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: be your head coach, but will immediately be like Marvin

493
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: Lewis as the DC. You got me listening now, like

494
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: like Wade Phillips exactly a veteran guy with skins on

495
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: the wall. He's coached Ray Lewis, he's coached Ed Reid,

496
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl with the greatest defense of

497
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: all time. Blah blah blah blah blah. That sounds awfully

498
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: intriguing to me when you think about this defense having

499
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot on talent and not a lot on leadership.

500
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: And there's another point. He's available, Yeah, very available, because

501
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: when you put a staff together, you may have all

502
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: these guys you like, they may not be available. So

503
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: you know, right now, name me an available defensive coordinator

504
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: that you would sink your teeth into. And that's hard

505
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I mean to start. Oh, no, that is

506
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: a name that kind of saying is available. Well, he's

507
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: on the Saint staff. I don't think he's a linebacker. Yeah,

508
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: but but that you might. We've talked about this before.

509
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be quality control. And as long

510
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: as you're not getting right offered as the head coach,

511
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: you're still under contract, right, and you have to look

512
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: at what his contract is, yeah, which and that's never public.

513
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: Although I Mike Nolan's name has gotten thrown out there.

514
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: Um he was. McCarthy worked for him for a year

515
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: when he was the forty nine ers head coach. I

516
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: don't see any other corresponding moves. But I mean, obviously

517
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: a long time defensive coach in this league. Dad was

518
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: coach here, right, Yeah, Yeah, So there's yeah, there's ties

519
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: there a late great Dick Nolan that's gonna be that.

520
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and again for the eighteenth time, they're nothing

521
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: official has been announced. It certainly sounds like McCarthy's going

522
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: to be the ninth head coach of the Cowboys, but

523
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: it's not official. But if it is, the next question

524
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: is what does that mean about this staff? Because for

525
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: all the guys that are out of contract, there's just

526
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: as many that are under contract, several of whom I

527
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: think Jerry Jones probably wants to keep around. And is

528
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy willing to play ball with that? And I

529
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: this is just me. If this deal gets done, then

530
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: we'll find out pretty quickly. I just I just have

531
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: this gut feeling that there's I mean, there at least

532
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: two two names come to mind immediately, Kellen Moore and

533
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: John Kittna. And I just feel like I wonder if

534
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy kind of had to acquiesce and say, you know,

535
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be your head coach, yeah, I'm

536
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: willing to play ball and keep those guys around. Well,

537
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with Kitna being your quarterback coach, right sure,

538
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: And if you think about what some of these other

539
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: head coaches are doing, you can keep Kellen Moore to

540
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: do all the coordinator work and then you're the guy

541
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: on game day sort of the way Bill did it.

542
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: He had coordinators, they weren't coordinators. Bill called the plays,

543
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: he passed. He had a passing game and a running

544
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: game coordinator and Peyton Haley. And there's nothing wrong with

545
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: having a young guy kind of do all the leg

546
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: work during the week and then and you're not freed up.

547
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: That's what people are doing, right, I mean. And McCarthy

548
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: was the Packers play caller for most, if not all,

549
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: of his tenure there. I looked this up. He there

550
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: was one year in twenty fifteen he gave it up.

551
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: He gave it up to Tom Clements and I looked

552
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: up the stats. They were twenty third in total offense,

553
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: fifteenth and scoring and he took it back to you.

554
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I had to say one year. I knew that if

555
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: you did it for one year, well, you know, if

556
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: you remember twenty fourteen, they were on the just on

557
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: the cusp of the Super Bowl again, had an error

558
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: on special teams. I believe you. See you keep saying that, Yeah,

559
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: you keep mentioning the dropped on site kick, but you

560
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: don't ever bring up the thirteen point lead in the

561
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that just dwindled away. Actually, I think it

562
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: was bigger than that, that's honestly, And like I said,

563
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: I gotta do is fall on the ball and you're

564
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. All you gotta do is like

565
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: coach a better fourth quarter and you win that game comfortably.

566
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: That's honestly. All the officials have to do is see

567
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: that Dez caught that ball and they're not even in

568
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: that game. That's that's a different conferenation. That's much different conversation. No,

569
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to go back and look at this, but

570
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: my point is they lost that game, and I think

571
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: there was nineteen to seven with eleven minutes to play.

572
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: The word was that after that loss, he wanted to

573
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: be more of a walk around guy to kind of

574
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: keep the pulse of everything, and the offense wasn't what

575
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: it normally was with a healthy Aaron Rodgers in twenty fifteen,

576
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: and he took it back. So yeah, he has been

577
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: buying large. I believe the play caller in Green Bay

578
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: for many years. I mean, I bet Sean Payton has

579
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. Do you think Carmichael anything more than

580
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: just a title because he's doing it, So you would

581
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: need somebody to do that, and you need probably somebody

582
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: on the staff to retain that has some connection to

583
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: the team. Yeah. Yeah, I remember Wade Phillips said that

584
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: several years ago when he joined the staff. He said,

585
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, coaches will always do that. You never just

586
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: just wipe out the entire staff, because what happens is

587
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: is that you end up making the same mistakes on

588
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, So it is good to have

589
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: a couple of holdovers to say, all right, tell me

590
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: about him, and if not, because you you're just gonna go, well,

591
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: this guy's you know, this guy looks great. What's the problem.

592
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: And you know, they kind of have some history there,

593
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: and the perceptions already out there that Jerry's going to

594
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: force these coaches on Mike McCarthy, But I wouldn't view

595
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: it as forcing No, it's kind of like Matt Rule

596
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: turned down the Jets job last year because he didn't

597
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: want that. And if McCarthy does sign a contract to

598
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: be the Cowboys coach, it's because he agreed in principle

599
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: that this that he's okay with whatever is going to

600
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: remain over from the last staff. I would assume he's

601
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: not going to sign onto a job without having a

602
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: pretty clear idea of what Jerry wants to do with

603
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the staff. And I'm sure and also, when coaches interview

604
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: for jobs, they've always got a short list of who

605
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: they would hire and who they want, So I'm sure

606
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: that you know that's part of the discussion here. Yeah. Oh,

607
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: that's the first question they ask you during the interview.

608
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: It's like, what kind of staff you're going to put together? Well? Yeah,

609
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: and and basically I think I think it's the other

610
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: way around too. I think that the coach ask how

611
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: many guys do I get? I know that that's what

612
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: happens in college. You're like, all right, I get go

613
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: to this place, I can take four with me. I

614
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: can go this place, I can take seven. So I

615
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: bet you Mike McCarthy has a number of how many

616
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: people he can take and which guys are going to

617
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: stay Where I wonder is where does if at all?

618
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: But where or how does Jason Witten factor in here?

619
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: Because you know he could be a coach on staff.

620
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I've been told about Witten is

621
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: that you know, yeah, he wanted to be a head

622
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: coach somewhere, and he still might. But if he has

623
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go and learn from some people's, some veterans,

624
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: and this would be one of those cases, you know,

625
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: maybe he's got a role somewhere. I believe Doug must

626
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: nuss Meyer is out of contract, yes he is so well,

627
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: and Win hasn't announced what he wants to do, no,

628
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: but he has said that at some point in his

629
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: life future he would like to get into coaching, as

630
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: his grandfather did it, his brother's doing it. I was

631
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: actually on a similar line. I was thinking, um, you know,

632
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: because McCarthy obviously was in Green Bay forever. They drafted

633
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb while he was there, So a lot of

634
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: people kind of tie those you know, connect those dots, like, oh,

635
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: maybe this helps their chances of bringing back Randall Cobb.

636
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's also from Pittsburgh. Which is where Sean Lee

637
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: is from. And I don't think they really have a

638
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: history together. But I was like, damn, connecting those just

639
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Speaker 1: just reaching, just grabbing at straws right now, why not

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Speaker 1: don't that's an interesting that's interesting. Well, I mean, I

641
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: think there's going to be a new linebackers coach. That's true.

642
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Ben Bloom is out of contract. I believe it's the

643
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: team doesn't tell you. They don't know none of It's

644
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: these coach contracts really like they do players. But that's

645
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Speaker 1: the reports. I think probably need to hire the defensive

646
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Speaker 1: coordinator before we hire the linebacker. I'm gonna say that's

647
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: there's gonna be if this would do it, you would

648
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: think this sounds like it should be official by midweek.

649
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then you get the ball rolling.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I said last night that I would be

651
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Speaker 1: surprised if they went to the Senior Bowl without a

652
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Speaker 1: head coach. Obviously, like that definitely looks like it's gonna

653
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Speaker 1: like they're gonna have a head coach when they go

654
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Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. But let's say, I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: say they finalized this Wednesday. That gives them almost two

656
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Speaker 1: weeks before they even go to Mobile, Like I would

657
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Speaker 1: assume they'll have a pretty finalized staff by the time

658
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Speaker 1: they get to Mobile. I think would be an advantage

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Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, and you know, if this does

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Speaker 1: get done, and again it's not official, maybe we shouldn't

661
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Speaker 1: be surprised that it's taken a few days because you know,

662
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Speaker 1: Jason was in the final year of his deal. There

663
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: was not a commitment to him beyond twenty nineteen, so

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Speaker 1: you had to know Jerry and Stephen had a shortlist

665
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: of what they wanted to do plans if this didn't

666
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: work out, and obviously it was a disappointing finish to

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Speaker 1: the season. Well they should have if they were due

668
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: and their due diligent, right, you got to have a

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Speaker 1: list just in case. And I think that's question they did.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what weirded people out though, And I

671
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: think y'all's theory sounds right that they didn't want to

672
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Speaker 1: just step out on Jason Garrett until they had a

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Speaker 1: good contingency plan in place. But I think most people

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Speaker 1: would say is like, at this point it needed to

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Speaker 1: be somebody different, even like it just needed to be

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Speaker 1: another guy. Even if you didn't get the Mike McCarthy like,

677
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Speaker 1: you just got to try something new. So the thought that,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's say, well, if the Panthers had like

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Speaker 1: snatched Mike McCarthy out from under you on Friday, you're

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Speaker 1: really just gonna meet with Jason again and be like,

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00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: all right, let's run this thing back. Like that doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound like a good idea at all. And I think

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Speaker 1: I think Mike McCarthy is probably you know, some fan bases,

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Speaker 1: and there's some fans out there that aren't really that

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Speaker 1: excited about it. But you know, I think that he's

686
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Speaker 1: into a good situation because for the most part, like

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Speaker 1: you said, just anybody knew was what fans will want.

688
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: And so if this guy's done it and he's actually

689
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Speaker 1: been to the place that Garrett couldn't go, you know,

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Speaker 1: the championship Game, obviously Super Bowl. I'm sure there are

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Speaker 1: people out there that don't like it, but I think

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00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: most people are probably at least okay with it. For

693
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Speaker 1: a lot of the reasons that we've already talked about

694
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: is like he doesn't have to learn on the job.

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Speaker 1: Like Mick pointed out, he's been here before. He can

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Speaker 1: command authority in the locker room. He's obviously with whatever

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Speaker 1: you say about Rogers, like, he's gotten his team deep

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and so with a roster like this,

699
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: you can just plug and go and if it doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: then two three years from now you're like, well, let's

701
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: start this thing over. And but it'll be a drastically

702
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: different team by that point, you know what I mean. Yeah,

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00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: older team for sure. Most playoff wins since two thousand

704
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: and six for coaches, Bill Belichick has twenty. The next

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00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: guy is John Harbaugh and Mike McCarthy at ten. So,

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Speaker 1: like you guys said, he has done it. And the thing, Dave,

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00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about college coaches and guys that

708
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: have a lot of bright ideas that would be interesting candidates.

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Speaker 1: But to me, if they hire McCarthy, they're getting they're

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Speaker 1: getting that, but they're getting the experience with it. Because

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Speaker 1: I said this on our podcast, our Joint podcast last week.

712
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: If you're gonna move on from Jason Garrett, you're gonna

713
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Speaker 1: pay Dak Prescott a lot of money one way or

714
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Speaker 1: another next year. This year, whether it's the franchise tag

715
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: or a long term deal, he's coming back. You gotta

716
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: get every penny out of that you got to make

717
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: sure he is can reach another level than what he

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Speaker 1: did this year, which was a terrific season. Thirty touchdown passes,

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Speaker 1: almost a franchise record in passing yards. That's got it.

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion. It would be your main investment to

721
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Speaker 1: get as much as you can out of Dak And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a better guy out there

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Speaker 1: to do that than McCarthy based on his resume. So

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Speaker 1: you guys talked about McCarthy being with Aaron Rodgers or

725
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Speaker 1: Brett Farve. Yeah, how many did Belichick have? Twenty? Say

726
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: again Belichick twenty? Yeah, he had a pretty good one too,

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00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: any of those without Brady? No? No, did he get

728
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Speaker 1: one in Cleveland? Maybe? Oh? Well, I don't think so,

729
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Mick I dodn't think anybody's going to minimize his record now.

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Speaker 1: But then then you look at hardball. You know, in hardball,

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Speaker 1: is that probably going to pass McCarthy? I would imagine.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what happens in the playoffs, because

733
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Speaker 1: as we saw this past weekend, you know, there's there's

734
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: some good, strong parody in those top twelve teams. And

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Speaker 1: you know what three road teams won. Yeah, and the

736
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: fourth one was over time, and you know, Buffalo had

737
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: plenty of chances to win that game, or you know,

738
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: not plenty, but they had chances enough enough chances to win.

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Speaker 1: You know, that was that was a good game. And

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Speaker 1: so what I'm saying is going back to hardball, he

741
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: I mean, he's won with Flacco. I guess is that

742
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: it was that was Billick, Billick, it was. I mean,

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00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: it's been Flacco. I mean, they got to the playoffs

744
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: last year, but they lost to the Chargers, I believe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's won a game without Flacco yet,

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00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: I'd have to look. But he's a guy that's totally

747
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: readvented himself in terms of embracing analytics, they say. And also,

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Speaker 1: nobody in their right mind is putting Flacco in the

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Speaker 1: conversation with Rogers and Brady either. Oh no, no, he

750
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Speaker 1: had a heck of a playoff run in twenty twelves,

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00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: I guess. And that's like I'm coming around on this

752
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: idea because to your point, McCarthy is like, he's got

753
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: proven credentials, but you've also like you've watched him, right,

754
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: if you know football at all, you've watched him for

755
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: a decade, like like he's kind of stubborn with his playbook,

756
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: Like his late game management doesn't seem amazing again, you know,

757
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: kind of bungled the end of that NFC championship game.

758
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: It's all stuff that every coach does. But anybody that's

759
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: watched football for the last fifteen years has seen it.

760
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, they've watched Packer games and they're like, oh,

761
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. Mike McCarthy, like you kind

762
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: of let's say he's like he's at like an eight,

763
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: like you're getting an eight, and that's great, But then

764
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: you think about, let's just for example, use Lincoln Riley.

765
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: He could be theoretically, in your mind, he could be

766
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: like the Sean McVay who's like a ten, and you know,

767
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: the entire NFL world is talking about, like, look how

768
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley has changed the game. Like remember how absurd

769
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: it was with Sean McVay last year. It could everybody

770
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: getting hired around the league Kingsbury because you're looking for

771
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: the next McVeigh and it could be that, and the

772
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: potential is intriguing, but the risk that it doesn't pan

773
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: out is obviously what scares you. And so McCarthy. Like

774
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I said, it's just a steady good hire. It's probably

775
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: like you're not just jumping for joy about it. But

776
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: I can't knock it either. Sorry. Can y'all think of

777
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: a game where Garrett kind of like messed up at

778
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: the end of the game and didn't they didn't win

779
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: because of late game management. Can y'all think of a

780
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: specific game. I mean, I'm not saying it didn't happen.

781
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: It happens. You know that, you can, you can. There's

782
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: a few losses there. I mean, I know it's happened,

783
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: But like to come up with one shocking example, Well,

784
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: the one he gets accused of and wrongly was the

785
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: end of the game, but he had kicking coach and

786
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: his special team's coach running down the sideline yelling at

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00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: him to call time out because they got on the

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Speaker 1: field late. I think My point to that is, I

789
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: think and there's some fans I know that that are

790
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: they're oh, this game, in this game, But rarely do

791
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: they ever say, well, what a great job by that

792
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: coach to win that game and ten playoff wins for McCarthy.

793
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it happened where they did a nice

794
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: job stretching the Cowboys was one of them. I mean,

795
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: and in that game in fourteen and in sixteen, actually

796
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: think about it, he did. His best decision in that

797
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: fourteen game was to challenge to catch, right, he threw

798
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: a red flag. Yeah, that that won the game for him.

799
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Speaker 1: I'll always I'll always be annoyed about the way Garrett

800
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Speaker 1: handled the end. Coincidentally enough, the end of the twenty

801
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: seventeen Packers game, they didn't try it. They didn't try

802
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: it all to run time off the clockt and just

803
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: gave Rogers the ball back with like forty eight seconds.

804
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: So you wanted your cake and eat it too, right, No,

805
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure you didn't lose. I want

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00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: you also wanted to run the time up. Look at

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00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Sean Payton yesterday, right, Oh, Sean a lot of stuff.

808
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: He could have spent a time out and saved ten

809
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: seconds and that that honestly, that time out to the

810
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: to the locker room. This kind of proves My point

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Speaker 1: is like, if you've watched any coach for long enough,

812
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: you've seen him screw stuff up. It's it's just that

813
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: we're so close to it here, and the fans are

814
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: too because they're following their team. It's but you only

815
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: see it here. But I mean the Packers are just

816
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys. Like if they're playing a moderately interesting game,

817
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be on national TV. They've been in

818
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs more than almost anybody over the last decade,

819
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: so you've had a lot of chances to see Mike

820
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: McCarthy screw stuff up. And that's if you're not excited

821
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: about this higher that's probably why. And it doesn't mean

822
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: he's a bad coach. It's just you get you know,

823
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: you color your opinion based on like the fifteen percent

824
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: of what you see in these huge moments and not

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00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: the noon kickoff against the Panthers in September. So what's

826
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: the bar for Mike McCarthy? Why don't we uh, why

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Speaker 1: don't we talk about that when we come back? Good tease? Yeah,

828
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: big with the tease. I love it. Let's let's talk

829
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Speaker 1: about the bar for Mike McCarthy if indeed he is

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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studio. It's been about eighteen hours since

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys announced Jason Garrett would not have his contract renewed,

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Speaker 1: and now we've got reports that Mike McCarthy might be

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Speaker 1: on his way to replace him, and Mick left us

868
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Speaker 1: with a wonderful tease a few minutes ago. If it

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00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: is Mike McCarthy as the cowboys ninth head coach in

870
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Speaker 1: franchise history, what's the bar for him? Yeah? What's the

871
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: what's the what is it for success? What does he

872
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: have to do? I think we know. I mean, yeah,

873
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: it's the same as it was. So what do you

874
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: do if you don't get a new guy? I mean,

875
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: so every year you don't go to Oh no, no, no no,

876
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: you're to some degree, this is a clean slate, right,

877
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: Like Mike McCarthy doesn't have to He doesn't have to

878
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl next year to keep his job,

879
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs? What about that? What if he

880
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: goes eight and eight? Have you seen that? What if

881
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: he goes eight and name? So, do you realize that

882
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: in Garrett's nine years, eight times either went to the

883
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: playoffs or had a chance in game fifteen or sixteen

884
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: to go to the playoffs. Eight of the nine. Yeah,

885
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: but how many did he get there? I just said,

886
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: so the next guy better be that close, if not better.

887
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: McCarthy went like eight years and art not here. I know,

888
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: but I mean that sounds really great, like it's a

889
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: great statistic until you remember that he lost most of

890
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: those I got it, I got it. Yeah. And the

891
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: fact that those you know, those teams were eight and

892
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: eight and lost in the last game of the year

893
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: to go to win the NFC East, which meant that,

894
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, nine and seven I think won the NFC's

895
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: that just goes to show how bad it really is.

896
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when when you're when you're getting

897
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: to play the same six teams that are all bad,

898
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, that's that just kind of goes to show

899
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: just how average or below average or team really was.

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00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: I think one of them went ten and six, I

901
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: can't remember which one. They were eight and eight, and

902
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: I thought they had a chance every year, but they

903
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: the team that they were nine and seven and a

904
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: few ti It's actually it's that's a point I thought

905
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Speaker 1: of earlier in the show. I pulled up the Packers

906
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: playoff history, and something that jumps out to me is

907
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: like when he gets there, or when he has gotten there,

908
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: his team is successful more often than not. And when

909
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I say successful, I mean they win a game at

910
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: least like twenty ten. Obviously, this story'd run through the

911
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: playoffs as a wild card. They won games in twenty twelve,

912
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: They obviously twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and twenty sixteen. You're

913
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: winning at least one, if not multiple games. Ironically, I

914
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: think they went they went one and done three times.

915
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: Once was a twenty thirteen team where you know, Rogers

916
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: broke his collar bone and they barely got in two

917
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, early in Rodgers career, they lost in overtime.

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Speaker 1: They also they went one and done with like arguably

919
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: the best team of the modern era, the fifteen and

920
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: one Packers, lost to the Giants in their first playoff game.

921
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: That sucks, but way more often than not, when he

922
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: has gotten to the playoffs, they've managed to put a

923
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: run together. So that's intriguing at the very least. Here's

924
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: how I kind of define it. The expectations one of

925
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: the frustrating parts. I know, they haven't been to a

926
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl or won a Super Bowl in twenty five years,

927
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: but they also haven't They've been on this roller coaster

928
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: track of getting in and not getting in, and getting

929
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: getting in and not getting in. And there are certain teams.

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00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you look around the NFC, it's hard to

931
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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. The Eagles have won, the Saints

932
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: have won. Sean Payton all those years one, Mike mccarth

933
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers all those years won. Seahawks won. But

934
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: those team you point to those teams and they're usually

935
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: in the field. They at least give themselves a shot,

936
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Speaker 1: And to me, that's got to be the expectation that

937
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: every year we're in and and watching these games over

938
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Speaker 1: the weekend. It's a crapshoot. These are all close games.

939
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: There's not much difference between these teams. But that's got

940
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: to be the more of the consistency that I think

941
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: the Joneses are looking for. That's just my opinion. I

942
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: mean that point a lot. And there have been different

943
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: reasons for why not, obviously, Mick. I mean, twenty fifteen,

944
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: they lost their quarterback. Twenty seventeen, you lost seek for

945
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: six games. You know, there have been reasons for it.

946
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: It's not all on Jason Garrett. But what year was

947
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: it in Washington, Twelve or thirteen when Romo was playing

948
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: with the back that needed surgery, um the final game

949
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm getting so twelve they lost the last

950
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: game in the year to the red Skins. Thirteen he

951
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: heard his back in the second to last game and

952
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: then couldn't play the last Kyle Orton played against Philly.

953
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: That's so, you know, some bad for Jason Garrett during

954
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: this run, There's no question about it. But that's the expectation. Yeah,

955
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, they just gotta give themselves more chances at this.

956
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: There's been bad luck, obviously, but you know for nine years.

957
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean I was gonna say, like there has been

958
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: bad luck, but a decade long trend. Like I said,

959
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had a long time in the chair.

960
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about twenty thirteen the I mean the

961
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: Packers had a similar thing happen to them. They didn't

962
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: have Rogers for the meat of the season. They actually

963
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: came down here with Matt Flynn and overcame a twenty

964
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: six to three deficit to keep their playoff hopes alive

965
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: and wound up winning the division on the last day

966
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: of the year. So there has been some bad luck,

967
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: but you can overcome bad luck a lot of times too.

968
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: I am intrigued Orton throwing that interception on the last position.

969
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued looking at this, like, Okay, oh seven, they

970
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: make it with far oh eight, they don't make it

971
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: in Rogers's first year, and then from nine to sixteen

972
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: to your point, like they're in it every year. Of course,

973
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is a big part of that, but that's

974
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: pretty shocking consistency. And these weren't all world beater teams,

975
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: by the way, and one year they didn't. They had

976
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback took over for Rogers. Yep, and here

977
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: a kid from you. So yeah, I know you're talking

978
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: about Hanley or Huntley. Um. You know the thing is

979
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: is you can you can say, well, no, they they've

980
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: had the best quarterback or one of the best quarterbacks

981
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: in that time. But who have been the running backs?

982
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I've mean that there's been

983
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. Uh, Lacy and you know different.

984
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: I can't even think of all all those guys. Got

985
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: a couple of good years out of Lacy obviously. Jones

986
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: and Jamal Williams have been there for the last two

987
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: or three years. Montgomery at one point going i'd have

988
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,479
Speaker 1: to I mean, I want to say I'm on mine,

989
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: but he did not play for Mike McCarthy. It's kind

990
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: by years and with the Pats you got Brady and

991
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: then it's kind of a rotating cat. So so if

992
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, Mike McCarthy should be a good enough coach

993
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: to like, all right, because all the really good coaches

994
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: to say, all right, what do I have? They can

995
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: work with that. So no, he doesn't have the best

996
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL with the best arm. He's got

997
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: a young quarterback who can you know he can he

998
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: can win some games. He's going to be as competitive

999
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: as you'll get. He's not the most accurate of quarterbacks,

1000
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: but he can throw the ball around, you know, evident

1001
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: by those yards. But he does have one of the

1002
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: best running backs in the in the NFL, and so

1003
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe from that standpoint that you know, the game will

1004
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: be a little bit different. It's it's not he doesn't

1005
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: have Rogers, but he has Zeke and that's something better

1006
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: than he's ever had in those teams. I think. I

1007
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: think that's an amazing point. Rob is like, I mean, obviously,

1008
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: the goal is to you know, reach your first conference

1009
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: title game and when your first super Bowl and forever.

1010
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: But barring that, get be in the conversation every year.

1011
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: And that's that's been the maddening thing about the Cowboys, obvious,

1012
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the maddening thing is that they haven't won

1013
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl since ninety five. But on top of that,

1014
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: they can't sustain success to save their lives. And I

1015
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: will say this, it's weirdly formulaic at this point. It

1016
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: go it's playoffs heartbreak slash disappointment playoffs disappointment going back

1017
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: for longer than I care to recount. I'll say this though,

1018
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: it is hard to do because how many teams they

1019
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl one year don't even make it.

1020
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: The Rams are the latest team, but there's been a

1021
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: lot of teams like that that it does speak to

1022
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: the parody. I mean, it's not easy to do. Half

1023
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: the playoff field turns over every year. So why didn't

1024
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: Bill be able to accomplish that? Bill parcels ourselves here

1025
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys. Well, he was starting kind of from

1026
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: scratch in two thousand and three and was the greatest

1027
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: coroaching job better arguably, Yes, And then what happened to

1028
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: oh four, he lost his quarterback, Yeah, you know the

1029
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: quarterback quarterback. You know, it went with a forty year old,

1030
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: and they weren't They weren't as good. And in the

1031
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: next two years they were nine and seven. But you know,

1032
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: they caught a hot streak there. Actually they were ten

1033
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: in six, I believe with with Ramos with Bloods playoffs

1034
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: and we'll drop the snap. That's what happened. So the

1035
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: last time they went to playoffs back to back years

1036
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: oh six and no seven six O seven And how

1037
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: about this that which won't be changed next year and

1038
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: it can't be changed until two years, not since Chan Gailey.

1039
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey's the last coach that has led the Cowboys

1040
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: to back to back playoffs in six and he got

1041
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: fired right ten, six and eight and eight, Yeah, and

1042
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: he got fired. Yeah, but no coach in Cowboys history

1043
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: has gone to the playoffs two straight years. Parcels couldn't

1044
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: do it. And then when Parcels did it and oh six,

1045
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: Wade came into next year. So they have gone back

1046
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: to back years. Well, I mean Jimmy did it since

1047
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: Chan Gailey? Oh I thought, I thought you said in

1048
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys history and then obviously Tom Landry. Yeah, not the

1049
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: same coach has done it in back to back year,

1050
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: which is which is really impressive. When you look at

1051
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: that statu McCarthy and these teams, you know, that's that

1052
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: just blew my mind and Chan and Chan basically got

1053
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: fired because he couldn't win a playoff game. One year

1054
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: he gets wiped out by Minnesota and then the next year,

1055
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: first year with Arizona, Arizona was the first year. Okay,

1056
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: here's a question that falls in line with that, if

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Speaker 1: this deal is signed and finalized, how long do you

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Speaker 1: think it would be? How long is the contract? Like

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00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: coaching contracts, head coaching contracts are typically five years, right,

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00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: that's what Jason had right a couple different times. How long?

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Speaker 1: I mean four or five years? I'm sitting here with

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Speaker 1: I mean, you might be right, and I mean, Mike

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00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: McCarthy's arguably the most desirable candidate on the market. He

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: might have demanded that, But like the reason I ask

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00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: in the first place, is this roster seems like it's

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00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: set up now, you know what I mean? Yes, two

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00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: to three year window. I think you've got a maximum

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00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: of four years that you can expect this offensive line

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00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: to play at this level, and it's probably less than that.

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Speaker 1: You've got a maximum of like four years where Zeke

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00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: is really in his prime, DeMarcus Lawrence will be thirty

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Speaker 1: and three four years, all of that type of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And so is this a situation where it's like we're

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Speaker 1: gonna give you three years because like we're not building

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Speaker 1: from scratch. The team is here and not my point? Yeah, exactly. Well,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, I don't know if McCarthy would

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Speaker 1: be willing to sign a shorter deal. But that's the

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00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: vibe I get is like most teams when you sign

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Speaker 1: a new coach or like this is the start of

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Speaker 1: an entirely new era. We're gonna do all this new stuff.

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00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: Like here, it's just like the team's here, let's let's

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00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: get over the hump. And I wonder if that affects

1083
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: their expectations for when he does it and how quickly, etc.

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00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I mean, I feel like the

1085
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: team is here offensively, but defensively, there's a lot of questions.

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00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys up for free agency. Yeah, potential,

1087
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a new look defense's coordinator. Yeah, that's

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00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna be an important hire for whoever is the

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Speaker 1: head coach, if indeeded, but wouldn't h Yeah, they were

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00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: three four for a long time with Dom Capers. But

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00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: they don't have three four defensive ends here. They do

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00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: not not they do, but one he's been suspended for

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00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: like two years. Oh, Randy Gregory, he's not totally could

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00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: play linebacker. Yeah, three No, talking about three four edge rusher.

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: You're right, they don't have any true three Crawfords. Crawford

1096
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: could play it, yes, and that's about it. Malik. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the thing about Malik free agent and he's a

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00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: free agent, but he was at one point he was

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00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: first on the team in quarterback pressures. Now I think

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00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: he finished second or third, but he's right up there.

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00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: Twenty five twenty seven. That's a lot of pressures for

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00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: a guy that's playing the one in three, So getting

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: up the field and holding your blocks and all that

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00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: stuff at the same time. He might be able to

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00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: do that. Now does he want that as a free

1106
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: agent or does he want to just say I'm going

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00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: to take the money for a position that I did

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00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: him good at. You know, um, but I'm just saying

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00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: you could do they have the three four rushers right

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00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: now that you're right about it, Randy Gregory, that's perfect

1111
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: for him. But I mean, yeah, I mean it's mainly kidding. Yeah,

1112
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: which and I couldn't imagine even if that was in

1113
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: the long term plans, like Kim Smith, can't imagine them

1114
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: making that Smith think about it. Three four rush Yeah,

1115
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: but that guy's got a cover now. But he's covering

1116
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: now kind of yeah, And who do they pick on

1117
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: when he's covering? Does he have the length like the

1118
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: I mean Randy Gregory's fingertips touched the ground. I don't know.

1119
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jalen's got the length to that

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: might be what I want him to do. What's your point?

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00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: Swipe up there? What's he done? Probably the best is

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00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: go forward? Yeah, and make plays forward. He has a

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Speaker 1: knack for it. He's savvy doing it. Now. I guess

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: it must be stated we don't know. Yeah, we don't

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Speaker 1: know the status rod change in the formation. Chris Rochard,

1126
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: who interviewed with the Giants for their head coaching vacancy

1127
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: last week. Um, but yeah, we'll see what happens. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of questions to be answered. Still, would you

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Speaker 1: agree with me? Like this is not a defense that

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00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: needs to be like utterly rebuilt. Like the pieces are

1131
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: in place for them to be good. Maybe not like

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00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: absolutely elite, but I mean, if you're taking over a job,

1133
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, you have a you have a Pro

1134
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Bowl caliber edge rusher. Um, you know you've got two

1135
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: really really good linebackers, assuming one of them comes back healthy.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's two. When levels of your defense can't

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: agree with you, there real questions. I really don't because

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Speaker 1: because they're not even under contract. Those guys aren't under

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00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: CONTRACTE Well, the three you listed, but one of them

1140
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: hasn't proven that he's ready to play yet in Layton,

1141
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: and that one that scares me because he's got a

1142
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: neck injury. And Jalen Smith, I I don't know. I

1143
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: think he took a step back. I mean he didn't,

1144
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: there's no come out. Took a step back. So I

1145
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: got questions with Tyrone Crawford, I got questions with Malik

1146
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, Byron Jones. I don't Cheeto got benched later

1147
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: in the year, Jeff Heats the free agent. But you

1148
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: needed an upgrade anyway? Where did it not take the

1149
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: next step? Jordan Lewis? Will you know Jordan Lewis is

1150
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: a good player. I think they should they should try

1151
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: to They should try to keep him for sure. But see,

1152
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: and what we're talking about is talking pass rush and

1153
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: pass defense, and they can't stop the run. I didn't

1154
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: say that there wasn't any work to do. I just

1155
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: know there's more pieces in place that can't expect the run.

1156
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: When you are replacing a coach, they can't think about

1157
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: why they lost some of those games. They couldn't stop

1158
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: to shoot. Yeah, which we don't know what's going to happen.

1159
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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll actually be willing to invest in defensive tackles

1160
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: this offseason. Well yeah, another change, and do you change

1161
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: the concept of your defense, like the philosophy of get

1162
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: up the field, get up the field, and when they

1163
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: were getting up the field, the other team was going

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00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: down the field the other way. A really interesting point.

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Speaker 1: I know we're running out of time, but you know

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00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: there's a you know, just following people that are familiar

1167
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: with the Packers on Twitter. Bob Sturm is a lifelong

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00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: Packers fan. Kevin Turner, Um, it'd be an interesting dynamic

1169
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: if McCarthy is the coach in terms of his dynamic

1170
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: with the front office, because Green Bay couldn't be less

1171
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: like this, Like Ted Thompson when he was there, like

1172
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: he in the Shadows, he doesn't talk to the media,

1173
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: He does his own thing. He doesn't necessarily even to

1174
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: interact with the coach on a regular basis. We all

1175
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: know it's the opposite here, Like it's much more involved.

1176
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: The general manager is the most public figure in the franchise.

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Speaker 1: That's I'm going to be interested to see. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge departure from what he was

1179
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: used to in Green Bay, hopefully for the better. Well,

1180
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: he understands he took I mean, he had an other job. Absolutely,

1181
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: he had our other interviews, right, so whatever, you know,

1182
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: the platform is, he understands going in. So many questions

1183
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: to be answered. We hope to get in to do

1184
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: another hour if you were to, we really could, really could,

1185
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: but I think we're out of time. I can go

1186
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Speaker 1: to twelve twenty. Oh, you got stuff to do. That's fair,

1187
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: that's fair, That's all right. We I mean, we'll call

1188
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: it aday. We got reports that Mike McCarthy might be

1189
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Speaker 1: the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, not confirmed yet.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot com for all of

1191
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: the late breaking news. We'll let you know if we

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Speaker 1: hear anything. Officials shows tomorrow on Wednesday, Yes, right, I

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: believe talking Cowboys. You back at eleven, Okay, those guys

1194
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: are back, yeah, and Hanging with the Boys will be

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01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: at twelve that day. So and the draft show starts

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Not that that really has anything to do

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Speaker 1: with this, Okay, Brian, I'm excited. Who's all with you?

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: It'll be me, Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh. If you listen

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: to our stuff, you're probably familiar with them. And my

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Speaker 1: guy Kyle Yeoman, who's in the back right now joining

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Speaker 1: us this year. Excited about that. Yeah, buddy, I thought

1202
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: that was a guy back there. That's Romo. Yeah, Romo face. Yeah,

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: it'll be good. It was Kaden for a second. Kate

1204
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: is always in here. We gotta get kayten in front

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Speaker 1: of the camera. Yeah, well all right, not today. Thanks

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Speaker 1: guys for thank y'all for joining us. Stay tied, tried,

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