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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Professional Homegirl Podcast. Before

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Speaker 1: we begin today's episode, we want to remind you that

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Speaker 1: the views and opinions expressed on this podcast are those

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Speaker 1: of the hosts and guests and are intended for educational

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Speaker 1: and entertaining purposes. In this safe space, no question is

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Speaker 1: off limits because you never know how someone's storyline can

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Speaker 1: be your lifeline. The Professional Homegirl Podcast is here to

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Speaker 1: celebrate the diverse voices, stories and experiences of women of color,

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Speaker 1: providing a platform for authentic and empowering conversations. There will

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Speaker 1: be some key king, some tears, but most importantly a

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Speaker 1: reminder that tough times don't last, but professional homegirls do

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Speaker 1: enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: What's our Professional Homegirls? Eshagara ebene here and we are

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Speaker 2: back with another amazing conversation. However, before we start, y'all know,

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Speaker 2: we gotta do a little housekeeping. Okay, first, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to kikey with you all about my recent trip to Seabrook, Washington.

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Speaker 2: So I've been praying to God to help me stay

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Speaker 2: open to all of the amazing opportunities he has in

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Speaker 2: store for me, and recently, one such opportunity came in

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Speaker 2: the form of an intimate June TEAMH.

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Speaker 3: Retreat in Seabrook, Washington.

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Speaker 1: Y'all.

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Speaker 2: Now, at this retreat, I met some amazing women, and y'all,

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Speaker 2: it was truly an enriching experience. Before heading to Seabrook,

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Speaker 2: we spent the day in Seattle, a place I'd never

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Speaker 2: been to, so I was like super excited about just

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Speaker 2: exploring the city. And we visit the Space Needle, the

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Speaker 2: infamous gum Wall, which is insane. If you never heard

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Speaker 2: the gum Wall, this is an entire wall filled with

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Speaker 2: others people gum and I'm saying like it's been gum

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Speaker 2: there for like a thousand years.

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Speaker 3: Please google it because it's looking crazy.

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Speaker 2: Pike Place Market, which is the home of the first Starbucks.

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Speaker 2: After our Seattle adventure, we drove about three hours to Seabrook,

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Speaker 2: And let me tell y'all, this town is like picture perfect.

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Speaker 2: Like it's one of those towns where like you can

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Speaker 2: leave your door, your doors wide open, like seriously, like

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Speaker 2: overnight and nothing would happen.

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Speaker 3: Like I would be shocked to discover that they even

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Speaker 2: During our retreat, you know, we indulge in wine tasting,

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Speaker 2: which was amazing. We did candle making and y'all know,

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Speaker 2: my candle was smelling so sexy, and we shared some

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Speaker 2: deeply meaningful moments, especially during our Bible study sessions. So

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Speaker 2: I am incredibly thankful for the time spent with these

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Speaker 2: beautiful nine women. A special shout out to Tash for

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Speaker 2: creating such an amazing event. To see pictures from the retreat,

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Speaker 2: use the hashtag six ' one nine Retreat or hashtag

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Speaker 2: travel with Tash, and you can also just make sure

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Speaker 2: to follow me on Instagram at the Professional Homegirl Now.

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Speaker 2: I've been receiving such positive feedback about the men's series,

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Speaker 2: and I am thrilled to announce that the Men's series

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Speaker 2: is here to stay.

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Speaker 3: Taylor, drop around an applause for your girl Now.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to share a love letter that I receive

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Speaker 2: from one of my phg's via DM, so if you

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Speaker 2: are not following me on Instagram, please do at the

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Speaker 2: PG podcast and she shares her thoughts on the men's series.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the Men's series.

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Speaker 2: It's helping me to open up my eyes and mind

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Speaker 2: in the ways I interact or give space to men.

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Speaker 2: They are people too, and they have feelings. We want

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Speaker 2: them to show their sensitivity, but we shame them when

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Speaker 2: they do. For example, the sexual assault episode. The whole episode,

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Speaker 2: I keep hearing he needs some therapy, and then you

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Speaker 2: ask him at the end he really needs it, and

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Speaker 2: I pray he gets it. There is a lie he

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Speaker 2: hasn't connected, but it really took a lot for him

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Speaker 2: to share what he has. I'm an go on ahead

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Speaker 2: and listen to the Recovering from Homosexuality episode. I just

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Speaker 2: know that that one may be hard for me to

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Speaker 2: hear because of my own views.

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Speaker 3: And then she puts in parentheses.

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Speaker 2: I feel like God loves and accepts us all and

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Speaker 2: whatever way we love. But I pride myself on seeing

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Speaker 2: more than my own views, So I'm gonna listen without

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Speaker 2: judgment because everyone's story deserves light and oxygen. Love you,

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Speaker 2: I hope you have a great weekend and get some rest.

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Speaker 2: So to that professional homegirl, thank you so much. And

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Speaker 2: to anyone else that would love for me to share

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Speaker 2: or you can slide in my dms at the PHG podcast,

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and on TikTok at the Professional Homegirl. Now

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Speaker 2: for this week's episode, I wanted to share a conversation

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Speaker 2: that holds a very special place in my heart. Not

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Speaker 2: only is my guest from Memphis bringing a wave of

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Speaker 2: of women across every genre, especially the Uci mamas. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we talked about Freaknick, how Huci mamas are the blueprint

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Speaker 2: forget the influence of the Uchie Daddies. So get ready,

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Speaker 2: because I'm a Houci Mama historian. It's starting now, all right,

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Speaker 2: to my guests, thank you so much for being on

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Speaker 2: the show. How you doing, how you feeling.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm feeling amazing. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: having me. Of course, y'all, I'm really super excited about

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Speaker 3: to a black screen. It's the energy, it's an energy exchange.

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Speaker 3: We don't need a screen. Now, we don't need a screen.

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Speaker 3: She's been buttering me. It's gonna be great. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be great, it's gonna be the ViBe's good. You look amazing,

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Speaker 3: it's a great ad. No, I agree. I listen. I

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Speaker 3: feel like when we first talked over the phone and

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Speaker 3: excited when I speak to speak to my fellow Mephians. Look,

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Speaker 3: the thing about Memphians is that number one. When we

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Speaker 3: family member. We might be cousins. No for real, you

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Speaker 3: know where you meet people from? Like who who your people?

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Speaker 3: But what high school would go to? So I went

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Speaker 3: to two high schools. So I went to Memphis Catholic

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Speaker 3: For three years, I went to Memphis. But that's when

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Speaker 3: I tell you my life. It's just a story that

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Speaker 3: I need to write. But yeah, so I am from

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Speaker 3: North Memphis. Nor put your thumbs. I'm from Hollywood is springdaleld.

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Speaker 3: Oh Man. I went to Central High School. Oh you

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Speaker 3: went to the high school? The high school.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that, but I'm like, I should

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Speaker 2: have said it, because you would have known what that means.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I went to the high school Central High

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Speaker 2: and I used to so I used to live in

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Speaker 3: I used to be in the mound. I used to be. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I used to love South fucking Memphis. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: you used to What is it that you love.

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Speaker 3: I just think that the niggas at the time were fine.

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Speaker 2: But girl, we I used to always be in South

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Speaker 3: Funny enough, I've never really been in North Mef.

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Speaker 2: It's like that, like I would go and drive through whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I used to just always be in White Haven

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Especially, I mean if you're from East Memphis, then

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Speaker 3: North Memphis is it's there's no place in Memphis like

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Speaker 3: listening to that. Oh Yo, gotty Son, I'm rapping North Memphis. Yo,

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Speaker 3: Yo Gotti. I love it so way, I ain't know.

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Speaker 3: I love between him, I love Dolf. Oh, and we

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Speaker 3: gotta talk about gas and three six Mafia like yeah,

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Speaker 3: always rested piece taboo. Yeah, Talola, that's so crazy. Now,

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like, it's so it crosses so

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Speaker 3: many different types too. Right, you got the church houcies

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Speaker 3: at like the Baptist Kojik fashions, they a lot of

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Speaker 3: what is popular in the foundations of ucci culture. Look

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Speaker 3: at church is intricate, and if you look at the

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Speaker 3: hairstyles from the eighties and nineties, they mimic those church has.

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Speaker 3: It's waterfliles, it's the crinkles, it's the feathers.

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Speaker 2: That is so crazy that you said that, because that's

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Speaker 2: my next question, like where do you think this all

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Speaker 2: but now now that I'm visualizing the hats and stuff

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think that the foundations of

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Speaker 3: people are paying, you know, who knows what for people

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Speaker 3: to do? Now, those of kitchens, those came out of

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Speaker 3: Those those were people we sat next to a class

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like movies like because when I

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Speaker 2: So do you think movies such as like Baps and

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Speaker 2: Yo, God bless her because I was thinking about her

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Speaker 3: and I and that's what I enjoy about it. I

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like this documentary represented the diverse experiences

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Speaker 3: there was Auntie that was pop blocking and dropping it

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Speaker 3: Why are we interviewing Rashida. Rashida was fourteen years old.

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Speaker 3: By the time she was fifteen, she was married to Kirk.

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Speaker 3: She was there, but she was cold hands with him. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you make a good point because I

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Speaker 3: Yes, the entire time, right the entire time. It was

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Speaker 3: It was just so weird, like whe where how did

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Speaker 2: I wanted them to interview somebody that went every single year,

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Speaker 2: thought changed. Yeah from a woman's perspective. Cool, that would

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Speaker 3: Yeah cool, because I know bitches got pictures listen if

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Speaker 3: I know Jermaine Duprix, with all his money power respects, right.

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Speaker 2: But that's why I hate when they do that to women,

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Speaker 3: Where do you like it or not? Like those shit

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Speaker 2: So what do you hope to see in the future

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Speaker 3: That's how you know that time of the month is

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Speaker 3: mouthing baby right or media prije, Just like, what do

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Speaker 3: you think that they can do differently? Because I feel

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Speaker 3: I think as far as documentaries go, it needs to

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Speaker 2: No, you know what I was thinking about it because

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Speaker 2: was one picture and y'all probably seen this picture of

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00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: the lady doing the split in a homegirl behind her.

430
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: Yes, that's one of my favorite pictures. Yes, right. That

431
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 3: photographer his name is Polo and he's from New Orleans

432
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: and he's notorious for his backgrounds and his photography work

433
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: in clubs, and that's why that type of image is

434
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: so important. Like a lot of people look at that

435
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: and like, look at her, like she'd have a good time,

436
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: But that's history. But twenty years from now, we're gonna

437
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: look at that and be like, my guy, like I

438
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: don't know anybody who can spray paint like that, don't

439
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody who can do hair like that?

440
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: And look at her out there, Like these things are

441
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: so monumental and so important. And that's why I don't

442
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: work so much, because people come to the ucci Kan

443
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: page and they're like this brings bad good memories or

444
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: oh my god, I used to love this person, and

445
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 3: it's like we deserve to be acknowledged, and we deserve

446
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: to put a name to the impact that we have

447
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: on beauty and culture. So yeah, you know, I learned

448
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: something new on your page because I remember seeing this

449
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: beautiful chocolate woman all the time. She was so old

450
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: fucking fly, like superfly with the most beautiful hazel eyes.

451
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I saw it on your

452
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: page or somebody else's page, and I think it was

453
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: your page because you actually put a name on it.

454
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: Her name was April Wilson, April B. Wilson, known as

455
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: a Black Girl.

456
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: Are you talking about Angel? Angel B Wilson known as

457
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: Black Girl Angel? So from what I know about Angel

458
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: is that she was fly as a kidding, No, she

459
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: was a different type of fly like she was like

460
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 3: she was the epitome of fly. Yeah. I know that

461
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: she was born in nineteen seventy two and she passed

462
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: away in nineteen ninety eight at six years old. Yeah,

463
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: so very young. But yeah, that people like Angel are wide.

464
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: You know, archives and verbal history are so important because

465
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: we see that picture floating around. You probably saw that

466
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: picture floating around, all types of pictures of her floating her.

467
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: I didn't seen this lady so many times and I

468
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: didn't nothing. I never thought of it until this conversation.

469
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, who is this lady?

470
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. Her name is Angel Wilson and her son

471
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: has also kept her legacy alive. There is an Angel B.

472
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: Wilson Foundation if you guys want to look that up.

473
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, Angel was just completely fly. I mean

474
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: the nails, the hair, the the gold teeth, everything and that.

475
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: And that's what why I love this work because it's

476
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: putting a name to these people. Yeah, foundational too, very impactful.

477
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, we talked about gold and back in

478
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: the day, you know, our counterparts will look at gold

479
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: that's like being cheap whatever. And I think that played

480
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: a role in other aspects, play a role into like

481
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: the perception of Huci's being having a negative connotation with it.

482
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: So what role do you think socioeconomic factors play in

483
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: this perception.

484
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: I think the perception, which one that gold is cheap,

485
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: or the perception.

486
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: Just like the things that we deem as like popular,

487
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: like the gold or even like you know a lot

488
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: of times people thought that we was being ghetto, but

489
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: the bondess were to protect the intricate hairstyles.

490
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 3: But then you got white people wearing bondess and now

491
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: it's a cool thing. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's really

492
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: what it comes down to. That perception is from people

493
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: outside of the culture who demonize things that they don't understand.

494
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: And a lot of times I think it's simply minding

495
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: your business. Minding your business. Let black people mind black

496
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: people business and you mind joys. And if the two

497
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: show for meat, if the two shall every sometimes more

498
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: than don't be us, it don't be us, just ask

499
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: for understanding, you know. So, I think it has been

500
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: so popular to look down on black women that it

501
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: radiates through all aspects of our lives. Right. Let's take,

502
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: for instance, to show like Sex in the City. I

503
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: knew you're going to bring it up. Yeah, the whole

504
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: episode about the guys that gold is get out, all right,

505
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: That's what I was. Yeah, and bit at the season

506
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: after she's wearing door Knock your earrings with her name.

507
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: So it's just it's it's that old saying that it

508
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: is everything is ghetto until proven fashionable. Yeah. Then that

509
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: spills over to a lot of what we do because

510
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: it happens, you know, when you're a pioneer, people are

511
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: like this is crazy, this is ugly, this is the

512
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: and then that next season they're wearing it. And that's

513
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: important to put a name to what would be Houcci

514
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: because without putting a name to it, they get to

515
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: rename it and then it belongs to them. Yeah.

516
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now what initially sparked your interest in studying Houci

517
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: culture and becoming a historian.

518
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: I think that I've always just been really interested and

519
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: fascinated by black culture in general. I have a minor

520
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: in Black history, and I majored and find arts performance.

521
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: So I love your yeah, this is this is your Yeah,

522
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: that's that's my thing. I love art and I love us. Yeah.

523
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: I found that, like okay, people were like really influenced

524
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: by these women who were being called this, that or

525
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: the other. And there was a real conversation had about

526
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: where the popularity of these styles and this slang and

527
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, the music, where it comes from and why.

528
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: And that's what made me interested in it because it's

529
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: like there are these trends that that people just blindly

530
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: wear and put on and everything come from right right

531
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: like that, like they invented like stop it, yeah, like me.

532
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: And then you think about people like Grace Jones, who

533
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: was on the cover of Vogue. I believe what year

534
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: was it. It was nineteen seventy five, on the cover

535
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: of Vogue with golde Yeah, like that mean that's that

536
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: means some you know that that that deserves to be

537
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: in the museum. That deserves an exhibit. Just the idea

538
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: that a dark skinned black woman on the cover of

539
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: Vote with gold teeth and seventy five. These are things

540
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: that people believe just fall out the sky gold teeth. Grills,

541
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: that's us.

542
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially, you know, it's so crazy how grills are

543
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: just I mean, it's been popular for a while, but

544
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: the fact that it's so popular because I remember when

545
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: grills were not popular.

546
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 3: No, in Memphis. They was They always been popular in Memphis.

547
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had a girl when I was a kid,

548
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: I had one and it was not cute. It was

549
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: like a little middle of the store, the little fat ones. Yeah.

550
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that I grew up and I got

551
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: my g I got my good my gangs brill. I

552
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: lost my gaze of grill. Did you lose it? I

553
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: don't know. I had just moved and I don't know

554
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: where the hell is at. I'm like, I know, anybody

555
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: stole it? Because that's nasty past, moving too fast, right right.

556
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: I keep look, I keep an eye out on my

557
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: girl because I love it, love it, love it, bab. Yeah,

558
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: that's what got me interested in it, you know, just

559
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: seeing my aunts and my cousins and you know, my neighborhood,

560
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: my friends. I had a friend I won't say her

561
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: name because we ain't bring but when we were young,

562
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: you know, she always her mom always let her get

563
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: the intricate styles like the the waterfalls and the fingerwaves

564
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 3: in the front and the you know, the crown. Oh

565
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: my god, the crown I had any ponytail. Yeah. You

566
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: like seeing seeing those people around me and growing up

567
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: and seeing that that was beautiful to me. So it

568
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 3: always interests me because the beauty standard was always different

569
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: when I left. Yeah, so say fact, when I love Memphis,

570
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: I love to honor them, and I always want to

571
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: remind people that your ancestors are not just as far

572
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: off people, your ancestors, your great auntie, Yeah, you can

573
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: be your ancestor. And just because she listened to uh

574
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: juvenile and many fresh and she got finger waves and curls,

575
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: that lady is art. Yeah, yeah, you know, so that's

576
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: what got me into it. I just my love for

577
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: the culture. Speaking of art, talk about your love against

578
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: aboo in a chap. I love it, love live, love it.

579
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm from Memphis. I that's some of the

580
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: first female that was our introduction of. Like, I mean,

581
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: I was born in New York, but I was raised

582
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: in Memphis, so I kind of had the best of

583
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: both worlds. But like when I first saw Gainst the Boo, Like,

584
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: that's so funny that you said that because her her

585
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 3: second album, Best of Both worlds sixty.

586
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I just it's just you know, when

587
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: Games of Boot passed away, it really hurt my heart

588
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: because of how she passed away and stuff. But it

589
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: really hurt my heart was when you know, I was

590
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: reading this article about this girl she's she's a journalist,

591
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: and she was saying how people were just saying how

592
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: they didn't know Gainst the Boot or like what did

593
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: she give.

594
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: To rap ye?

595
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 2: Right, And the girl said and it brought me the tears.

596
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: She said, Yo, how easy is it for y'all to

597
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: deny the genius genius and black women. I'm like, that

598
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: woman paid a way for a lot of women.

599
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: When you talk about and I'm glad you brought her

600
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: up because a lot and I'm glad you brought in

601
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: New York up a lot of times. They tried to

602
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: erase the contributions of women from the South all the time,

603
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: like black women in general or wherever they're from that

604
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: we suffer from that, but especially from the South because

605
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 3: when we're talking about the mount rushmore of women MC's

606
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: why are we not talking about Booth? Yeah? Why why

607
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: is she not a part of the conversation. Her first

608
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: album she started when she was thirteen. The first album

609
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: came out when she was like fourteen fifteen. I mean,

610
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: we're talking about somebody that was a part of three

611
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: six Mafia. Man, Please, what are we saying? Who is

612
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 3: her equal? The only person that I would say would

613
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: be her equal would be somebody like Little Cam. Yeah,

614
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 3: because Little Cam's career kind of mirror with the Dream Mafia.

615
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 3: Yeah Mafia. This is somebody who can hold their own

616
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: amongst men and be an independent artist and be a

617
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: bad bitch. So the dollar is at rd them dollars

618
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 3: egg inquiring minds want to know listen my fair part

619
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: with on the other Saw. She was like, boy, I

620
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: come over, I'll let you get inside me. I ride

621
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: you like a horse, I say no recipes to a

622
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: real one. Man, Oh got it. That hurt my heart.

623
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: It did hurt me too, it really I And she

624
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: was getting so she was actually starting to receive her

625
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: flower That's the crazy part about it. M I was like, Damn,

626
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: Boo didn't deserve to go out like that. She did that.

627
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: That was that was a tough one. That was a

628
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: that was a lost for Memphis for real.

629
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with all like you said, she was just

630
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: starting to receive her flowers. They just did the verses

631
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: like Boo was about to be I mean, she was

632
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: always up, but like I just felt like the world

633
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: was starting to like, Okay, I see what you were

634
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: talking about.

635
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like how we watched the world finally

636
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: acknowledge that Project Pat has been foundational to a lot

637
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: of these people's please. I mean this was I mean

638
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: to go from in the nineties when we was growing up,

639
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: where Andre three thousand had to say the South hast

640
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: something to say, yeah, go from that to fast forward.

641
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: Now everybody sounds like Project Pat. Everybody sound like three Stacks,

642
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: everybody sound like Boom, everybody sound like the South. They

643
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: sound like us they sound like. And that's what That's

644
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 3: also why I just I love history so much. Oh yeah,

645
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: because if you want to know, if you want to learn,

646
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: something you gotta do is just read, baby, pick up

647
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: a book and read. Okay, flip them pages, flip them pages,

648
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: because history always repeats itself and history never lies. Well

649
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: some history lies. But yeah, Now who are some individual

650
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: was that you feel like are labeled as Hucci mamas

651
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: but they do not fit the description? Oh so you

652
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: mean is she a Houchi? Is she a Houchi? Now? Yeah, Houchi?

653
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: And I think, personally, why don't we just bring up

654
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: a Huci a recent Is she a Hucci candidate? Okay,

655
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 3: miss baby girl herself? I don't know. The debate has

656
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: raged on within the huchi Kan community, but quite some time. Personally,

657
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: I think that Aliyah does not quite fit the bill

658
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: to be considered part of Hucci history. What do you think? Uh?

659
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: I think the reason why is because I think that

660
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: I think that Aliyah was introduced to a lot of

661
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: things that she may have not been ready for from

662
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: the outside looking in, and I just think that I

663
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: just didn't feel like that was her vibe.

664
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: I feel like I don't know.

665
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: I also feel like, one man, Aliyah was like fourteen

666
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: and she was a little girl. Next thing, you know,

667
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: she was a brown woman with the bangs.

668
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: All this other shit.

669
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: So like I feel like she was giving off a

670
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: certain type of energy, but it didn't give me Hucci.

671
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Like when I think of Huci, like I think somebody

672
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: like fierce, I think of somebody like in your face,

673
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, like comfortable, Like.

674
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she didn't. Somebody said this was a good comment.

675
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: Somebody said they felt like Aliyah was on a way

676
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: to decide she was a Huccie or not. Yeah, because

677
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: she played an opportunity. Yes, she never got to have

678
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: the actual ownership over her sexuality the way that we

679
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: would have liked to see her right uh into it

680
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: like that. So yeah, I completely agree with that.

681
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: And I also feel like I think that's a great

682
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: point because I feel like she died so young, Like

683
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: we don't know what could have came from her, her

684
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: journey or just her you know, her evolving into herself.

685
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: But I feel like she playing because she was a

686
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: beautiful girl.

687
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: But she was also cool. She was laid back, like

688
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: she was chill.

689
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: But then again, can hoochie Mama's or who cheese can

690
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: there's different types of hoochies.

691
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: Though there's different types of hoo chies. Embracing being a

692
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: huccie is not limited to showing everything right. We got

693
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: the tomboy style houcies. Who got the brat who can

694
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: do both? The brat with her tomboy look or with

695
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: her girly look. She gives ucci is that in your face?

696
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: It's that confidences, you know, that swag that she has.

697
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: I think she's a good example of what a uccie

698
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: can look like without the stereotypical because sometimes when we

699
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: talk about who chies, we only think about the sexy

700
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: ye see the little camp But you know, a hucie can.

701
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: That's that's what is so bringing about the term, because

702
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: it can mean a lot of things, right, look a

703
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 3: lot of different ways. Like for me, I think Missy

704
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 3: is a hucci too. I mean, we gotta do Let's

705
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: all we gotta do is roll out the song.

706
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, you gave me thinking because maybe maybe Aliah

707
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: was a baby houccie.

708
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: That is so funny that you said that. Because there

709
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: was actually a vote. Eight hundred and forty people voted

710
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: on whether or not they believe that Aliyah was a

711
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: Uccie or not, and eighty two percent said no, eighteen

712
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: percent said yes. The most like comment says, no, I

713
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: think Aliah was a Hucci, but she was affiliated with

714
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: Hucie's such Hooccie daddy gene one. So just call her

715
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: an honorary Hucci. So that's what they gave her. Wait

716
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: one more, who else would be an honorary Hucci? Who? Okay?

717
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you would say this person

718
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: would be an honorary Hucci. But was also a conversation

719
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: it's she a Hucci. Sierra. Oh, yeah, Sierra is very

720
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: I think who she is. I think Sierra gives Hucci.

721
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: I think he's definitely a Hucci. She's definitely a Hucci.

722
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: I think people when they think about Hucci, they don't

723
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 3: think that a Ucci can be married or have kids. Yeah,

724
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: the biggest Huccie. Okay, I'm trying to be married, kids

725
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: to ship. So I think Sierra is one that people

726
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 3: had some debates about. People love the hate Sierra. Though

727
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: they love the hate Sierra, but how can you hate Cuci? Yeah?

728
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: I grew up on that. You know too, that the

729
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: girl the girls are graduated in two thousand and four. Hey, y'all,

730
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: look at me. I think that just a young girl.

731
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: Maybe this is a sixteen dulous listen. I love her. Yeah,

732
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: people love the haty erra. Let that girl be man, Yeah,

733
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: love it. Be Let her be happy. I think one

734
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: of the most controversial go ahead to say. Yeah, I

735
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: know you're gonna say Beyonce. A lot of people. I

736
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: actually did not put a vote, but there were like

737
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: over two hundred comments and people were just it was

738
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: split is a Hucci. I think Beyonce is a Ucci.

739
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: A lot of people were saying she coach, which is

740
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: a lot, but she is a huccie. Somebody said she

741
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: was switching as a whole baby, ain't you. A lot

742
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: of people said that they don't believe she's a hoochie

743
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: because specifically the Destiny Child song nasty Girl. No, No,

744
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: he's a nasty girl, chashy and daddy talking about women

745
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: who are dressing like yeah. So they said that she

746
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: lost her hoocie card because of that song. Oh please,

747
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they're really going down bad, they're getting they're

748
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: getting a little rough with the song. You gotta go

749
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: back and listen to it. You gotta go, I gotta

750
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: listen to it. But I think she's a huccie though.

751
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: But then I'm also a behive, so I mean why

752
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: I listen a lot of people that hate be Now,

753
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: I feel like the behive. A lot of times I

754
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 3: feel like I'm one foot in the behived, one foot

755
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: out because sometimes the fandom goes a little bit like,

756
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: oh yeah, the stand culture is different. Yeah yeah, but

757
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: who if you If you can't look at Beyonce and

758
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: understand why people are the way they are about her,

759
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: then you a hater. Oh you a hater? You a hater?

760
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: Now who would you say is a pioneer for the

761
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: houcie daddies? And why, let's see if you got the

762
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 3: same person I got. I think there are a few.

763
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: I would say Prince One, I would say Genie Wine Tupac,

764
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: uh sure uh Dvonte gerald LeVert, like there's so many,

765
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: he has so many bitches listen if it's my My

766
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: favorite thing to do is to go on YouTube and

767
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: just put in jeral LeVert and look at videos of

768
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 3: girls being like yeah, we was gonna get married, like yeah,

769
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: and then the next one it's like Candy from Escape,

770
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: like yeah we was we had a song together and

771
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: we was gonna get married, and then like Kim Willy

772
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: is like I loved him so much and moniques like

773
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: I love like everybody loved that man. Baby. I know

774
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: he was putting it down. Baby. He was so fund

775
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: and he looked like he smelled good. Oh my, why

776
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: are you all warm? And just soft and just m oh.

777
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: Shamar Moore is a WHOCHI daddy too. Definitely a little

778
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: freaky frog and he's fun. That's what I love in Bechelmak.

779
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: He doesn't take himself that seriously, of course he who

780
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: I mean. He hosted Soul Trained Girl with crazy ass

781
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: dance moves. Damson was absolutely dreadful because so you can't

782
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: have it all because I think it's fine. Okay he

783
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: is and he's he's aged with oh he has so

784
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: what do you think that we can get a baby?

785
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 3: I'm crying that you want a piece of shit? Oh

786
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 3: my god. I was a kid and I used to

787
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: love that man like you was really beautiful as a kid. Beautiful.

788
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: What I met him at springs Ball, what he was

789
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: doing in springs Mall, I know why you were It's

790
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: just so funny. So it was at the no, was

791
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: it Springs? No, actually, I lie. It wasn't the Springs Mall.

792
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: It was at the Mall of Memphis, girl, the Mall

793
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: of Memphis, y'all, that's what used to go get your

794
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: outfits from ted to baby baby. I used to be.

795
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't know who I thought I was,

796
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: but I would go. My dad used to work at

797
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: the mall, so everyday I would go skate. I would

798
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: skate at the mall up there to give me a

799
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: little slice of pizza. Chef and Shamar Moore ended up

800
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: being at the mall signing autographs. Of course he will be.

801
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: I got a line and I gave his autograph from

802
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: my mom. I gave it to her and she was like,

803
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: who is listen? That was a type of fun like

804
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: they don't make funiggs like that. No more. Man, I

805
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: don't know. I still churning around, but I have an

806
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: unusual type. So listen. Well, wait, I know your type.

807
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: I do. You're in the relationship. Yes, I am in

808
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: a relationship. I am engaged to beautiful girl. Congratulation. I

809
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: ain't know he was engaged. Yes, I am engaged. But

810
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: when it comes to men, my type is very like

811
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: what's your type. Who's who's your type? I would say

812
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: I'm somewhere between sure, m hm. The Old Trick Daddy. Oh,

813
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: the Old Trick Daddy was so fun, you know, nan

814
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: trick Daddy. What And when I say that, some people

815
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: are like girl, what But you don't understand. Remember he

816
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: was no trick the old Trick Daddy when we was kids.

817
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: That nigga was fine. Yeah, he was beautiful, he could

818
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: rap and he seemed like he was he was fun.

819
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: Somewhere between that and like Tupac, like I like, yeah,

820
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: like Tacac, I think for Kendrick, so yeah, I think

821
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: can't trick I do well? Kendrick a little too small

822
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: for me? I like. I will say I like him

823
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: because he's smart though, like I like smart niggas. That's

824
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 3: what I like. That's what I like. I like him

825
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: smart and I like him a little hood. Yeah, like

826
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 3: I like him. Guy to be like what you what'd

827
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: you say?

828
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: Baby?

829
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: Say that again? It is really you say up there.

830
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm following your baby. Come on, keep up,

831
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 3: I'm keeping up.

832
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Yo.

833
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: You know what I was about to ask you?

834
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: Do you feel like like queer women have been represented

835
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: in the HUCI culture, because I don't know if I

836
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: saw it on your page, but I think you post

837
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: something about Kleio.

838
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: So that's the thing. That's what I don't think they

839
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: are represented, but I do, and I do have a

840
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: lot of people who you know, follow the page or

841
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: you know, have something to say about that. But you

842
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 3: believe that queer culture and Hucci culture. You know the emojis,

843
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 3: the little shaking hand emojis, that's us, Yea. When we

844
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: talk about Hucci culture, we have to talk about the dolls.

845
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: They are a part of that fashionable foundation and impact

846
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: of HUCI culture. So you know quere trans girls, you know,

847
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: the trans girls, baby trans girls, They're a part of

848
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: Huci culture because he had me laid baby, okay, and

849
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: that look, we just talked about it. If it didn't

850
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 3: start in the community, then it ain't work. For shit.

851
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 3: It's Gucci history, Yes, Kiki is Gucci history, honey.

852
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: So what do you think we can do to amplify

853
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 2: and center the voices and experience of black women within

854
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 2: this conversation about HUCI culture, Because I feel like if

855
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't for pages like yourself and other like digital

856
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: art or just social media overall, I think a lot

857
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: of people will forget about this overall, which is very heartbreaking.

858
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the best thing to do, at least

859
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: on my end, I feel like, like you said, to

860
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: continue to take up space in the digital world. Yeah,

861
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: but create community, ir L. You know, like having things

862
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 3: like Hucci come or or I also just started a

863
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: book club where we read you know, things on the

864
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: Houci Reading List, like all those things that center around community.

865
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: That's how we amplify our voices. That's how like things

866
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: like your podcast. Having the opportunity to sit down and

867
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: talk and change energy and information, That's that's how we're

868
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: gonna keep keep the culture alive because without that, it's

869
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 3: we we don't exist. Even our ancestors had to sit down,

870
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: have a conversation and talk about just like the I

871
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: don't know if you'll take that of that, but there's

872
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: a sound that's like rual Stein was all, well, that's

873
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: that type of shit is important, you know, us really

874
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 3: listening to each other and realizing that black women, regardless

875
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 3: of background, education, economics, we're so important. Yes, ol, sure,

876
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: we're so important.

877
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: All black women. Okay, okay, we almost finished. I want

878
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: to play a quick little game with you. So I

879
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: am going to name a woman, and you guys say

880
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to your mind.

881
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: Thank God? You ready to be quick? You ready? Okay,

882
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: Florence Griffriend, Joiner Nels, Adina Howard, Sex, Lisa Nicole Carson Stardom,

883
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: last but not least, Chris Style Wilson play his club facts.

884
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna reach out to her because I

885
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: want to interview her because I feel like, I mean,

886
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: I know she's in a recent show, but I feel

887
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 3: like she got typecast real quick. She did. She did.

888
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: I think that there was no opportunities. I don't know

889
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: why she wasn't bigger during that time, because she was

890
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: the girl. She was the girl, right, she was in

891
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 3: numerous videw she was she she was that girl. So

892
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: I think she would be amazing to interview. I would

893
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: love to interview her too. My dream interview which I'm

894
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: putting out into the universe. I would love to interview Lunelle.

895
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: I love her. Yes, Yes, Luell Comedy, the Who, She's

896
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: a comedy fast you know to all of this, Yes, Givings,

897
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: Monique More every Yes, even the all those girls who

898
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: that's that comic view energy that listen comic View was

899
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: so important. I remember I went on a date when

900
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: I was in high school and no, no, no no,

901
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: but he said, you finder than the comic view dancers.

902
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: That's a that's remember dancers. Oh my goodness, damn.

903
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: And that's why I think that you do such a

904
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: great job with your platform is because you do not

905
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: only just show one type of UCCI like thet's say

906
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 2: in the pictures or the videos. You show different type

907
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: of ucci's and different jars of what the black experience

908
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: looked like. So I think that is such a beautiful

909
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: thing because, like like you said, Lunelle was a Hucci

910
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: of comedy, you have flo Jo, who's the Huci of

911
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: the athletes, you know what I'm saying, Like.

912
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: And she keeps and she keeps inspiring different athletes to

913
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: be who be who you are. Yes, like Serena and

914
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: Venus open the door for that kind of stuff, to

915
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: be able to wear your bes, to wear your little

916
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 3: cats suit while you're playing, Like the houcis are so

917
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 3: important and they open doors for so many different people.

918
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: Listen and shout out to her daughter Mary because me

919
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: and Mary are actually really good friends. So I always

920
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 2: try to keep her Mom's name alive because like flo

921
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 2: Jo was, she was that girl man.

922
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: She like just beautiful, talented, just just a fire. Yeah.

923
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: And last, but not least, because you know, I did

924
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: some research on you and I'm just so proud of

925
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: you because you know what you're doing, but also because

926
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: you are my Memphis sister and you know where we

927
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: come from, a lot of people don't make it. So

928
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: since the passing of your brother, how has his influence

929
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: continued to shape your journey?

930
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Thank you for asking that. Yeah, First of all,

931
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: resting power to Darius. Ever truly, that's my brother. Since

932
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 3: his passing, it has it changed my life? He has

933
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: been a constant motivation and drive for me. I think

934
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 3: that once he passed away, I felt like there was

935
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: a torch that was passed to me to be the

936
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: absolute most fearless version of myself that I can be.

937
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: And you know, without him, I wouldn't I wouldn't be here,

938
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 3: I would be nothing. So he's constantly constantly motivating me. Constantly.

939
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: Oh that's good, that's good. But I'm so happy that

940
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: we were able to do this, I know, thank you

941
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: so much. I had such a good time. Yes, I

942
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: had a great time, even though the camera was off,

943
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: the energy we did no I appreciate you such and

944
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: I'm just so proud of you, so thank you, thank you,

945
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: thank you so much. And I'm pretty sure the listeners

946
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: are going to really enjoy this because I always tell

947
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: people you got to share your story line because you

948
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 3: never know how it's going to inspire somebody else. Lifeline,

949
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: So thank you, thank you, thank you for being a

950
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: part of the show. Thank you so much for having me.

951
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: Yes And to the listeners, if you have any questions,

952
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: comments of concerns, please make sure to email me at

953
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: hello at the psgpodcast dot com and until next time,

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:30,560
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