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Speaker 2: Today's episode can eat spoilers for episode three of A

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Speaker 2: Night of the Seven Kingdoms of the Squire be warned.

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Speaker 3: Hell, my name is Jes Concepts.

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Speaker 2: You Own and I am a Rosy Night and welcome

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Speaker 2: back to Extra Vision, the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Where we don't keep it to your favorite shows, movie

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Speaker 4: Comedy from my Heart.

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Speaker 5: We'll bring either episodes we just in today's episode, we

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Speaker 5: are going to be exploring the theme of acting the role,

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Speaker 5: doing the performance. Actor Jason is a prestige acting coach.

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Speaker 1: He's got to titch you all.

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Speaker 5: Your new to know and stick around until the end

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Speaker 5: of our episode with our full spoiler book spoiler chat.

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Speaker 5: If you have wanted to know what is going on.

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Speaker 5: We have got some very special guests from History of

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Speaker 6: We've had him on before you know. They know their stuff.

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Speaker 6: We will be digging in, so we will give you

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Speaker 5: If you don't want to know what might happen in

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Speaker 5: the second part of the season or later on in

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Speaker 6: Then don't listen.

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Speaker 5: But it is a great chat and first we are

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Speaker 5: gonna dig in two A Night of the Seven Kingdoms

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Speaker 5: Episode three The Squire.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about the theme for this episode. You know,

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Speaker 2: we had an interesting conversation just about like what the

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Speaker 2: theme could be. This is an issue we ran into

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Speaker 2: a lot during the the Binge Moode run when it

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Speaker 2: was like how many times can you do found?

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Speaker 3: You know, found family.

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Speaker 2: Can't be the can't be the theme of every single episode,

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Speaker 2: but it's a lot of what was going on. And

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Speaker 2: you know, originally I think there was, like, for instance,

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Speaker 2: theme is what was it?

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Speaker 3: I think it was lies.

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Speaker 5: Or yeah, yeah, yeah, like the way that you tell

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, so you know in our previous episode was exaggeration.

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Speaker 2: But I was thinking about this episode a lot, and

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Speaker 2: it made me think of, you know, I think this

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Speaker 2: When I hit the age that my parents were when

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Speaker 2: But I think all of our characters to a certain

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Speaker 2: You can tell that they don't fully feel as if

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Speaker 5: Think that that actually represents very much what you're talking about,

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Speaker 5: He has to fight dangerous men, he has to fight

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Speaker 6: Like I don't know how this man was doing it,

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Speaker 3: The challenge is ahead of him in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: But I think throughout this episode you're seeing that Dunk

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Speaker 5: Jason, this is actually kind of blowing my mind because

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Speaker 5: again I think that you are reading something into this

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Speaker 5: there are a lot more stakes. It's about performing for

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Speaker 5: About performing until you find out who you are. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think another example of our theme of acting the

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Speaker 2: It's in a different way than Egg's presence, because they're

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the tournament at Ashford today.

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Speaker 2: I've seen him all over the place, in the East,

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Speaker 2: I don't care who the fuck's son you are, Mike.

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Speaker 6: Cool, it's been years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, there's there's so much to unwrap at this point,

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Speaker 2: influence that in others and awaken it in others? Because

441
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: my you know, my reaction towards this person, this prophecier

442
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: was that you know, they're just kind of making it

443
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: up as they go along. You're wandering around and giving

444
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: these kind of like Fortune Cookie type readings, and it's

445
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: all for show and it's fun games, but that's something

446
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: strange happened, as evidenced by the fact that this woman

447
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: appeared pretty shocked at what had just occurred.

448
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 4: Your thoughts, well, I think that you've set it up.

449
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: Well there, there's definitely some confusion, and absolutely Dunk took

450
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 4: it as ah, this is this is, this will be good. Yeah,

451
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 4: this'll be good for a quick laugh. You know, he

452
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 4: takes it entirely. He already he like forgot what she

453
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: said two minutes later. But Egg is like, well, yeah,

454
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 4: and so we obviously know that that is very close,

455
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 4: if not I exactly what we expect. And the meta

456
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: behind this on Egg is that, like George R. Martin

457
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: almost certainly had to weigh in on that. He's been

458
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 4: very closely connected to the show, and I don't think

459
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 4: he would just let them do what they want with

460
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: something that he's been holding close to the chest for

461
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 4: thirty years. I mean, Arian and Egg and Aim, and

462
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: they're all mentioned really early in the first book, so

463
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 4: well Arian second book, but still they come up really early.

464
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 4: So George has had these plans for quite a long time.

465
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 4: So one little twist though here that the act is

466
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: playing the Sousayer is the same actress that was playing

467
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: the innkeeper in episode one, which I doubt. I doubt

468
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: that matters, but it's definitely something you consider. Like she

469
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 4: my my crackpot theory is that she she heard Darren

470
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 4: like rambling and rambling and rambling and was like, hey,

471
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 4: I can recycle these fortunes and sell them to someone else.

472
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: But I love that.

473
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

474
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 7: She doesn't get sold though, she doesn't get anything out.

475
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: She doesn't, she doesn't.

476
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well he gives her a little bit.

477
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 8: He gives her could you travel worth it?

478
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 4: Now? Yeah? Like Darren's giving her goal? So why would

479
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: she leave?

480
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

481
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: Did you lay out just for And again, this is

482
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: a spoiler discussion, so we're going to be talking about

483
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: some stuff that stretches beyond the series, just for our

484
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: listeners who might be dimly aware of what she was prophecying.

485
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: Could you kind of set up where eventually duncan Egg

486
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: end up and how that comports with that particular truth telling.

487
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, it's pretty tragic. There's this event called Summer

488
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: Hall that's been a mysterious tragedy that happened about say,

489
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 4: thirty ish years, twenty nine years before the start of

490
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: the book, so in the year two fifty nine I'm

491
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: sorry thirty nine years. Yeah, And basically it was some

492
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: sort of tragedy of fire that destroyed Summer Hall, and

493
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of Targarians died there, including Egg and

494
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 4: a lot of his family in Dunk probably as well,

495
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 4: almost certainly, and it's uncertain what happened. It seems like

496
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: he was trying to bring dragons back and something went

497
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: horribly wrong with there was wildfire involved, and there was

498
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 4: some sort of horrible accident and the big missing pieces

499
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: there's a couple missing pieces as to why, like why

500
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 4: Egg thought this would work. But we've seen other Targarians

501
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: try to bring dragons back, so that at least we

502
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: had some basis for But why did he think this

503
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: would work? Like this seems like a something's gone wrong

504
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: in his life, or maybe he's got some of the madness.

505
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: My issue with the madness is, though we've kind of

506
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: had that plot line before, you know, I don't know

507
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: if we want to end with that again, you know,

508
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: just like, oh he went mad and that's that. So

509
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: I think there's more to it than that.

510
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 6: But is that let me let me for I was

511
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 6: just gonna say.

512
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 5: Like, isis is there a world where like there is

513
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 5: a reason that Egg thinks bringing back the dragons will

514
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 5: help the small folk or something, because I feel like

515
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 5: that's where we're going with how much the small folk

516
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 5: have impacted him here, I wonder if we would get

517
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 5: a different kind of targarian because we also get that

518
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 5: line where she says, you know, everyone will be so

519
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 5: happy you died like everyone around.

520
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 6: Which seems crazy with our experiences of Egg so far.

521
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: The nobility might be happy about it, but it's hard

522
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 4: to imagine. Like his brother Aimenjoy, so it can't be

523
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: taken completely literally. But like, yeah, aimin our Egg is

524
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: a very pro small folk commoner or king. He tries

525
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 4: to reform the nobility in ways that we've seen in

526
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: the real world that really hard to do, and then

527
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 4: once he's gone, Ty would undoes a lot of what

528
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 4: he did, so so yeah, so a lot of the

529
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 4: nobility didn't like him, so that might be where it's

530
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: coming from his name. They wouldn't. They were hesitant to

531
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: even give him the crown in the first place, even

532
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: though he was pretty clearly the air and the best choice.

533
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: They were like, I don't know, he's half a common

534
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah so yeah, so I think so. I think he

535
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: maybe wanted the dragons in order to push his reforms

536
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: that the nobilit wouldn't accept it. Well, the nobility won't

537
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: push back against me. If I've got dragons, they will

538
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: accept my reforms because.

539
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 8: They have to.

540
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: A couple of things that stood out to me from

541
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: the from the prophecy and also the timeline you mentioned.

542
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: You know, we don't know exactly what spurred egg as

543
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: King to try and do this. I mean, I have

544
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: a theory that it is stated in the books and

545
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: I forget that. Uh you know there was a seven

546
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: year summer during may Car's reign that would followed by

547
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: a very long, very drastic winter.

548
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh.

549
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: My theory is that Egg thought, oh shit, this is it.

550
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: This is the long night, and we have to do

551
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: something like this. He's aware, of course of because he

552
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: was prophecy. He's aware of the of the prophecy which

553
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: we which we saw in the House of the Dragon,

554
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: and therefore, thinking this is it, he pushes all his

555
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: chips into the middle of the table, be like, we

556
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: need the dragons back because you need to push back

557
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: the night king of the Long Eye.

558
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: That's my theory.

559
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: He's not mad.

560
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: Oh that's a good twist.

561
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: And my other question for you both is it really

562
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: struck me the the bit about everybody who knew him

563
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: would celebrate that he died. What do you make of that?

564
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: Because that we don't know a tremendous amount about eggs Rain,

565
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: but him being like that unpopular is definitely not part

566
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: of it. What are your thoughts on that part of

567
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: the prophecy?

568
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 8: Well? I think it speaks to what Asese was saying

569
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 8: about Well and about him being pro small folk that

570
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 8: we can see would feel this kind of way, and

571
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 8: and I speak, I think it speaks to what egg

572
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 8: was kind of talking about with Alice with three fingers,

573
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 8: about a dogged spirit, and that I think he's.

574
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 7: So single minded. I think he's so focused and giving

575
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 7: it his all.

576
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 8: Excuse me, He's so focused on giving it his all

577
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 8: that even the people who are close to him, who

578
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 8: love him, who are like, Okay, this is enough of

579
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 8: this now. All of your personal relationships are falling by

580
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 8: the wayside. You're too focused on hatching dragons. And so

581
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 8: I think that's how even those pretty close to him

582
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 8: can you know, feel a sense of relief or rejoice

583
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 8: it his death.

584
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: Yea, he might have alienated some of his family. I mean,

585
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: they're the nobility too. He might He's probably trying to

586
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: reduce his own power and their power. And to say

587
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 4: to then turn around and say, well, let's get dragons

588
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: is kind of some people might see that as a

589
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: complete reversal, like what you just said, less power, Now

590
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: you're trying to get dragged Like.

591
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like I like that read of

592
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 5: like he might be so focused on it that he

593
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: essentially ends up like making everyone think he's mad, but

594
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 5: he really is working on this basis of truth, and

595
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 5: that that would make that ending even more tragic.

596
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: The nobility would totally spread.

597
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: That we know he's right, he's just ahead of his time.

598
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: Guys, Is there was there anything else in this episode

599
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 5: that kind of felt to you that they were maybe

600
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: teasing some more not necessarily changes from book law, but

601
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: expansions on things that you were kind of excited to see.

602
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, one, just to bring it back to this prophecy,

603
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 8: you kind of wrote off the prophecy that Dunk heard.

604
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 7: I think it's accurate for Dunk too.

605
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 8: It is, it is, it is right, and so I

606
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 8: do think that, well he does no great success, he

607
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 8: will be richer than a Lanister in a couple of respects, potentially.

608
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: Not in literal money, but.

609
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 8: And and love in terms of specifically a woman who

610
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 8: marries a Lanister, and also in terms of pages in

611
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 8: the White Book as a king's guard. He's richer than

612
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 8: Jamie Lanister in that sense. So I think that's kind

613
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 8: of setting up that's setting up Dunk's future arc in

614
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 8: a lot of ways, on a couple of levels, I

615
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 8: would say.

616
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I think that's that's important. They want to

617
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: expand the story because they need to flesh out some

618
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: of these characters a little bit more. And if they're

619
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: looking ahead, then it makes sense to maybe set up

620
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: some things that George hadn't written yet. Like George is

621
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 4: adding things as he goes, and he sets a lot

622
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: of things up in advance, but occasionally he's like, you

623
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: know what, I wish I had referenced this back in

624
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 4: the beginning. Perfect example being there's not a single Blackfire

625
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: reference in the Hedge Night, but I know there should be,

626
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 4: even George, but yeah, that needs to be in there.

627
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: Even book purists that we talked to will be like, yeah,

628
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: that needs to be added, and they did. They've added

629
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: it in really clever little ways, like an egg you're

630
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: making his songs? Take that you Blackfire Bestard? No really,

631
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: that was great, right, So things like that are perfect,

632
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: like expansions of the story in ways that it needed

633
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: to be expanded, because that was obviously a big part

634
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: of it was the black Fire Rebellion had only been

635
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: fifteen years prior, so it would have been on everyone's

636
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: minds and people still wouldn't thinking about it. There's still

637
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: the songs and everything. So I like that a lot,

638
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: the expansion of what needed to be expanded.

639
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 8: Oh, like's your take on another thing that they're kind

640
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 8: of setting up well in advance, which is the idea of.

641
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 7: You know, fixing sports. So yeah later right.

642
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, because we're not

643
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: sure why they added that to this, but that's our

644
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: best guess is that it's going to come up later

645
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: as something he's experienced where he's like, oh, yeah, I've

646
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: seen this before, you know, yeah, or it could just

647
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: be like it could come up as like a hey,

648
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: oh look he turned down. That what a good guy

649
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: he is, Like even when no one was looking, he's

650
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: a good guy. Like that's just part of his character. Maybe,

651
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not sure. That's one of the

652
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: more confusing changes. But I have trust in what they're

653
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: doing because so far they have really stuck to the

654
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: novel as much as possible, Like Alo almost every when

655
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: when they can use the exact dialogue, they use the

656
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: exact dialogue. Well, details like people having the same uh

657
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: tics or you know, just little mannerisms. I just yeah,

658
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 4: just so I have more faith in that they have

659
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: to have a plan then maybe with some of the

660
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: other shows, not that they don't, but this is tighter.

661
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: This is tighter.

662
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 6: It's really tight, Shy.

663
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 5: I would love to get your read on, Like, there's

664
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 5: been a lot of conversation in our discord about Tansell

665
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 5: and how the moment where she slits the dragon's throat

666
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 5: and she kind of connects eyes with arian in it

667
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: feels very subversive in the show, whereas in the book.

668
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 6: It maybe is more of just like it happens and

669
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 6: he comes in.

670
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 5: Could you talk a little bit about how you read

671
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 5: that and what you think it means for like, the

672
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 5: way that they're going to kind of continue with Tansell.

673
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 8: That's a great point, because it did feel a little

674
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 8: bit more subversive when you're lock Eyes Withers, You're kind

675
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 8: of you're like, this could be construed.

676
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, what's she going to do change the story?

677
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 8: I I feel like she was kind of stuck there

678
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 8: into having to do that, and I think she realized that.

679
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 8: So I don't I feel like a lot of viewers

680
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 8: will be very dissatisfied to not reach a resolution with

681
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 8: ten cell evention and we see off page duncan Egg

682
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 8: go looking for Tancell and Dorn.

683
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 4: I don't know that.

684
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 8: I expect them to show much of that on screen

685
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 8: at all, other than maybe flashbacks. Yeah, And so I'm

686
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 8: thinking maybe they're just able to extend the Tansell through

687
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 8: line through enough books until we do see her again,

688
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 8: because I do presume that we meet Tansell again.

689
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 7: And it feels like it like, I mean, well, actually,

690
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 7: I shouldn't even say I should presume that. I'm asked

691
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 7: George R.

692
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 8: Martin that directly at a Q and A, and he

693
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 8: smiled very riley and said, that's a good chance of that, and.

694
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: He looks very please.

695
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 7: So I do.

696
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 8: I do have more than a passing suspicion that we will,

697
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 8: whether that's book six or booksell.

698
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

699
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 8: I don't think they can last that long in the show,

700
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 8: so I do think they have to make some amount

701
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 8: of a change there.

702
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 7: But I also think it undercuts.

703
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 8: How it haunts and uh and really rattles around in

704
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 8: Dunk's head if us the viewer have seen Tensel, So

705
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 8: I don't want them to undercut that either. So I

706
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 8: feel like they're kind of in a really difficult position

707
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 8: here that I don't think there's really a slam dunk

708
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 8: winning answer that will make everyone happy.

709
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tansel Is is definitely. It's it's changes something when

710
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 4: you make the character a real person, you know, like hege,

711
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: it's a little easier. But this is we've seen her

712
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: act We saw her. We were excited about the actress

713
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: before the show started because that really looks exactly like

714
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: the description of saying. And we were particularly now we

715
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: were a particularly enammeate of her because she's a climber

716
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 4: and I love to climb. Also, she's just like her

717
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: instagram is full of like bouldering photos, like, oh, this

718
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: girl is so cool. But yeah, it is. It is tricky.

719
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: One really cool thing about that scene that they added

720
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: to was a parallel. Uh. One of our listeners caught this.

721
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: The way the dragon is stabbed is the same way

722
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 4: Arian Stabs's horse. It's a same spot. Yeah, but what

723
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: she should have done is looked at Aaron and gun

724
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: and then the dragon got back up and everyone.

725
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: What I took from that scene actually was that ten

726
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: Cell and the Mummers actually have less excuse now. The

727
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: look conveyed to me, Oh fuck, he's here meeting you

728
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: know that this can be construed as treason.

729
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: Why are you doing.

730
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 4: With in the first show? Yeah, yeah, so it's it's

731
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: a thing, Yeah it.

732
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Is, Yes, it's definitely a thing.

733
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: I want to ask about the Targeerians because I think

734
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: to your point about you know, watching this come to

735
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: life on screen, I think some of the pformance here,

736
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 2: the performances here are generally really rich and have added

737
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: a lot of depth to these characters, and for me,

738
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: the Targerians are prime examples of that.

739
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: I think.

740
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: You know, Macart in the books feels very dour, very grim,

741
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: not the type of person that you would want to

742
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: engage with, and that's there in the show, but you

743
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: also feel like how worried he is for his kids

744
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: who are just missing. And that's a lot of the

745
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: reason that he is like this is he's just simply preoccupied.

746
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: This isn't standard macar necessarily, right.

747
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: It is not standard Macar.

748
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 8: Right.

749
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: He's got a lot on his mind.

750
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: And I think that the way that's brought out on

751
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: the performance is really humanizing. And similarly, Arion is you know,

752
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: much more mustache toorly type of your kind of mad

753
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: Targerian villain I think in the book and.

754
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 6: Here he's.

755
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: I feel like he's the he's the guy who thinks, listen,

756
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: the Targarian standard has fallen. It needs to be propped up,

757
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: and nobody's doing it. Nobody is taking it seriously that

758
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: we are this ruling family that has roots here and

759
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: you can't brook any kind of criticism. Rather than this

760
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, kind of chaotic guy you can't

761
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: control his emotions that you see in the in the books.

762
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if you could speak to some of that

763
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: in the way that any of these performances have added

764
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: nuanced to the characters in ways that you find interesting.

765
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 5: Well.

766
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 8: Regarding Arian, he may say that but his actions, you know,

767
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 8: don't reflect that and that I don't think it makes

768
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 8: the Targarians look good or propped up.

769
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 7: He's got the wrong ideas.

770
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, he has these fervent beliefs, believes about the dragon

771
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 8: shouldn't lose.

772
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 7: And if he he showed up his cousin Valar, it

773
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 7: would make him look bad. Would really E would just

774
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 7: put on a great show to see.

775
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 8: Both, right, I don't think it would necessarily make the

776
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 8: small folks think a whole lot less of Valor to

777
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 8: see this true.

778
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean one of the master win. Yeah, I

779
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 4: like if they were going against each other exactly.

780
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 8: For me, it was Baylor, who've always liked in the novella.

781
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 8: Who does and he's a fan favorite, But I didn't

782
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 8: expect him to be so kind of self spoken. He

783
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 8: has this really gentle voice, right, Yeah, you know, like

784
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 8: the accent, the performance. There's just something about him that

785
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 8: he has a little bit.

786
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 7: Uh, I don't know, he's more he's got more.

787
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 8: Grace and elegance than I really pictured him having. I

788
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 8: pictured him more as the fighter that he is and

789
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 8: not the political that.

790
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 4: He Yeah, the very just super diplomatic, but very much

791
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: in charge. Yeah, I was very happy with that too.

792
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: I always thought he was a little bit of a

793
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 4: little bit of a mystery in terms of what his

794
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: personality was like other than just being a really good,

795
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 4: genuine person. But this performance was just I was like, Wow,

796
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 4: this is exactly right, you know, and I saw like, man,

797
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 4: this is so good and uh for me. I think

798
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: one of the great choices they made was drawing out

799
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: the seven a little more like the people who will

800
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: be buttered up seven, because they aren't. Some of them

801
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 4: aren't very fleshed out in the novel. It's nice to

802
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: have a little bit more connective tissue, a little bit

803
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: more reason for why they're joining him. Making Robin Risling

804
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 4: the third speaking in the third person and being we

805
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: the war I mean, he thinks he's a vessel of

806
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: the warrior, then how is he not going to participate

807
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 4: in a trial? Right? Like, Oh, he's like, oh, that's

808
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: exactly where I should be. So I like that. It's

809
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: it's like two lines they gave this guy and it's like, oh,

810
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 4: now I get it. You know, it makes so much

811
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: more sense. So I really appreciate that that's an angle

812
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: they're approaching. Obviously, Lionel Strong or Lionel Brathan is the

813
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: one they're doing that the most with, and that's also

814
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: been great. Just everybody loves him.

815
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 6: Daniel Eng's were a joint.

816
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 5: Okay, you tease this a little bit for people who

817
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: haven't read the novella, but we'd like we said, guys

818
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: is going into spoiler territory as.

819
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 6: He's a Shia.

820
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: What you most excited about going into the second part

821
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 5: of the season, And can you kind of tease that

822
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 5: little Trial by seven and where we're going to find

823
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 5: Dunk after this?

824
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think I think one thing interesting thing

825
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: about this is I never until it was laid out

826
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: in six episodes, I never really realized just how episodic

827
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: it could be. Like there's such perfect endings, just like, Okay,

828
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 4: he's gonna endit it turning he's going to be. Then

829
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: the second one, you know you've got the determination to

830
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 4: end a tournament, the third one you got the reveal,

831
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: and then in the fourth one, presumably Baylor's joining the

832
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: Trial seven will be the climacting woman, and then the

833
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: actual one. Then his death will be the end of

834
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: number five, and then the great ending of Makar and everything.

835
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 4: Talking to Dunk and like that will be the finisher,

836
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: so I'm very looking forward to it. They've done such

837
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: a good job. It's it's made very well for this

838
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 4: It's structured really well for episodic, which is, like I said,

839
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: didn't realize it would work out that way until it

840
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 4: was laid out this way. Never viewed it as anything

841
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 4: more than a whole. So yeah, I think it's that's

842
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: gonna work out really well and set up a lot

843
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: of excitement for future seasons because it's just it's such

844
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: somehow adapts so perfectly in terms of its structure.

845
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 8: I think, you know, I hadn't thought too much about

846
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 8: what I was most excited for in the back half,

847
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 8: because honestly, most of my favorite moments were in the

848
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 8: first half.

849
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 7: But when I think about it, having.

850
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 8: Seen what may Car is like in in the show,

851
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 8: I'm actually very excited to see the conversation that takes place.

852
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 7: That leads to Egg joining Dunk full time exactly.

853
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 8: I actually think that's probably gonna be really funny and interesting,

854
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 8: and yeah, I'm really really excited to see may Car

855
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 8: and Don't kind of talk talk man to man is like, hey,

856
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 8: you're going to take take my kid and hopefully raising

857
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 8: better than I've raised my other kids.

858
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, endings are just so hard, right, and so this

859
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: this has a good ending. So I really like I

860
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: just I tell people, I sell this to people. I'm like, look,

861
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: this one actually has a really good ending too, like that,

862
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 4: you know, like not just as a Game of Throne show,

863
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 4: for any show like endings are hard.

864
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the that a song of Ice and

865
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: Fire prophecy that was revealed in House of the Dragon.

866
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: And I think that.

867
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: It does come from Georgia, and I think when you

868
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: you can feel it's like a black hole. When you

869
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 2: read through the books, you can kind of feel its

870
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: presence in certain ways. Yeah, Summerhall, for instance, I think

871
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: in my mind is one of those things. There's other

872
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: like and anytime a really bad winter hits Westros, if

873
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: a Targarian knew about the prophecy, you'd have to imagine

874
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: any strange, anomalous thing that they did, right, is a

875
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: response to that. And so I was wondering if you

876
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: had any thoughts about if the prophecy, for you know,

877
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: Raygar Targarian is another great example of a guy who

878
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: I think found something out and then was like, oh shit,

879
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: I gotta do something. And so I wonder if you

880
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: have any theories about if the prophecy is known at

881
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: this time, and if anybody knows did it survive the

882
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: Dance of Dragons or was it lost? And does anybody

883
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: have any idea about it now?

884
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 8: I think that there's a strong clue to me that

885
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: it's not very known now, and that's that Baylord, excuse me,

886
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 8: And that's that Baylord.

887
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 7: Doesn't have the dagger that is literally.

888
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 8: What the air should have as a symbol of this prophecy.

889
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 8: There are ways that maybe you know it, he could

890
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 8: still have it.

891
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 7: There's reasons that you can.

892
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 8: But I think it is a clue to me that

893
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 8: this information has kind of passed from their memory currently

894
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 8: and that it is in Eggs lifetime, in Eggs generation,

895
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 8: that it will be rediscovered.

896
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 7: That's what I think.

897
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: I agree. There's a clue in the books about this

898
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: which Eggs says to Dunk that his uncle, as the

899
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: first the mad King, who is the younger brother of

900
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: Baylor and older brother of Mecar, he discovers a prophecy

901
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 4: that the dragons will return. So this kind of restarts

902
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 4: that process for them where they're like, oh, the dragons

903
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: come back, and that starts to get a lot more

904
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: of them on that page. And like mister Amond when

905
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: he's dying, he says, all my brothers dreamed of dragons

906
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: and it killed them all. So h for Darren, we

907
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: know that he has tons of dreams. That's his that's

908
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 4: his whole thing. It's it's an Arian maybe has a few,

909
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: and maybe Egg eventually does too. But dreamed could also

910
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 4: mean like hoped for or you know, like not literal

911
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 4: magic dreams like dreamt of in a in a mundane sense.

912
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, I kind of. I think I

913
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 4: grew to shade. There's a very good chance it was

914
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: lost and then rediscovered, but not rediscovered in the exact

915
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 4: same way. They may have discovered that the dragons were

916
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 4: coming back, that doesn't mean they discovered the thing about

917
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: the others.

918
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean.

919
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: So it's they may have discovered part of it, and

920
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 4: they don't understand, like they don't necessarily know that there's

921
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 4: a purpose behind that or a point to it or

922
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 4: what it could mean. But they tradam it's it's like, hey,

923
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 4: we're targetarians, we get dragons back.

924
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 5: A rat you know, Okay, just before you guys, go

925
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 5: you touched on it a little bit here, just in

926
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 5: case any of our listeners have decided to join us

927
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 5: on the spoiler train.

928
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 6: We have not really got.

929
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 5: Into who Darren is yet, and in a kind of

930
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 5: deep way because we're kind of allowing those to kind

931
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: of reveal themselves. But could you give us a little

932
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 5: like darren taster of kind of who he is and

933
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: why is important?

934
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah, Darren is the oldest son of Maycar, and

935
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: he is. There's three younger brothers and two younger sisters.

936
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: Darrens has the dragon dreams very big, like very big time.

937
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 4: He hasn't constantly, He's haunted by them, and that's why

938
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 4: he turns to alcohol to dull the effects of the dreams. Ironically,

939
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: very good chance it just makes them worse. But what

940
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: they don't know a lot about it and all this

941
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 4: other stuff. He's self medicating. You know that that that's

942
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: always a risky proposition. But yeah, he's doing his best,

943
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: and he's also probably just wilted under the strength of

944
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: the generation before him. His father and Baylor are both

945
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: just so outstanding, so successful, so beloved. They're war heroes,

946
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: and Macar wants his sons to be like that, and

947
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: he Makar is the proverbial father who's trying to push

948
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 4: his children to be what they're not, and Darren is

949
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: just completely collapsed under that weight, I think, both of

950
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 4: the dreams and his father's expectations and of being a

951
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: royal when he just doesn't have that kind of confidence

952
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: or disposition. Or Yeah, I would like.

953
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 8: To compare Daryn to he's to me, he's there's an

954
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 8: element of a Turian in him.

955
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: He is funny, is funny.

956
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

957
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 7: It's an important quality in him that. Yeah, he's witty, he's.

958
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 4: Funny, he makes fun of himself, self deprecating.

959
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's full of internal torture, you know, torment, self hatred.

960
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: Father.

961
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 7: From the comparison to.

962
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: That point, final question in common, final question before you

963
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: where folks can find you?

964
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: Yes or no?

965
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: Arlen knighted dunk, No way.

966
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 5: I don't think so's very harmed.

967
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: This harmed. I love the conversation.

968
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: I I I don't know, I truly don't know.

969
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 6: I think, but here's he said he would do it,

970
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 6: but he never did.

971
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 7: I think exactly he would have at some point done it.

972
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 7: He didn't. He just didn't.

973
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: He just didn't get to it. I think that that

974
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 2: is probably right. But you know, there's been a lot

975
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: of conversations around does it matter, does it matter? And

976
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: I was I was wondering because my you know, my

977
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: view is yet matters because Dunk is this good, truthful,

978
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: sincere guy, and if he would lie about this, it

979
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: adds a bit of complexity to him that is really

980
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: interesting and actually makes sense for what his career pasgrees like,

981
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: there's no way that he succeeds to the level that

982
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: he succeeds, you know, in the heart of power in

983
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: King's Landing without a little bit of an ability to

984
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: fudge the line when he needed to. And so I

985
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: think it does matter that he lied. What about you

986
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: do you think it? Does it matter?

987
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 8: It matters in a few ways, but I like your

988
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 8: take there. It matters in that way. I think it

989
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 8: matters in that Dunk always has this internal conflict within

990
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 8: himself about is he worthy, is he legit?

991
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 7: Is he real?

992
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 8: And I think he would have had that a little

993
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 8: bit from being a commoner and a nobody, but it's

994
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 8: intensified by the fact that he knows.

995
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 7: Like you, hear about it, you know, imposter syndrome.

996
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 8: He is an impostor, and so he feels that even though,

997
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 8: as you know, he might be told like, hey, like

998
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 8: you're a you're a good fighter, you're a good guy.

999
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 8: Don't you deserve to be a knight? Don't you deserve

1000
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 8: to win all of these things? But you know he

1001
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 8: is lying about it. Yeah, I like that internal conflict

1002
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 8: for him.

1003
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 4: It matters to him, Like I don't know that it

1004
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 4: matters in the big grand sense, but he cares about it.

1005
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: So it's going to cause conflict within him, and thus

1006
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 4: it will drive plots and inner thoughts and things like that.

1007
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 4: My my head canon is that he is going to

1008
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 4: get He's going to come clean about it before he

1009
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: joins the King's Guard. That'll be a step too far

1010
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: for him, totally canon. And one of the other pieces

1011
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: of evidence for this is that he were not for

1012
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: joining the King's Guard, but for he he like hesitates

1013
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: to Night Raymond because he's like, oh, I don't that's right,

1014
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: I don't know about that, because then I'm then I'm

1015
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: then my deception extends to somebody else. He's okay with

1016
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: it just being him, but he can't have it be

1017
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 4: on some especially someone else. Who's been so good to him,

1018
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 4: Like who.

1019
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 8: Believed Dunk was knighted, would think, Oh, it's because he

1020
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 8: knows he's a commoner and he doesn't want to.

1021
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 4: There are reasons out for y'all.

1022
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 7: Believe he was. He was not.

1023
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 8: I want to make that clear. It's a clear clue,

1024
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 8: right that he has this reticence.

1025
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: I love that so much. So if that does happen,

1026
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: it must be Egg that does it well.

1027
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 4: And it's a parallel too, because Egg is lying about

1028
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: who he is, right, So they both start off with

1029
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 4: that parallel of oh I'm a night, Oh I'm a

1030
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 4: nobody's such a.

1031
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 8: Beautiful parallel to see that scene where you know you

1032
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 8: see it's like, well you like me, I was gonna say,

1033
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 8: and then Eggs be like you.

1034
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 4: Well, let's just have a pint of Ale is disgusting,

1035
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 4: so let's have some cider. That's it. Let's have something.

1036
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 4: Let's be real as well.

1037
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 6: Egg is extremely perceptive.

1038
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 5: So storyline wise, how much do you think it would

1039
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 5: impact the season if they did decide to have that

1040
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 5: conversation and actually answer the question.

1041
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 6: Do you think they will ever do that?

1042
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: Huh? I think they might, But it's since it's not

1043
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: something that comes in the for in the next two stories.

1044
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 4: I wonder if they.

1045
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 6: Will hold off, That's why I'm wondering, but.

1046
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: Could set it up sooner or they could have more

1047
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 4: clues for it. I doubt they'll be direct with it

1048
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 4: this early, but.

1049
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I could see that.

1050
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, if there, if they're doing season four season five,

1051
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 8: based on you know, the proposed fourth and fifth novella's

1052
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 8: for example, I could see that it being in there.

1053
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 7: It's hard for.

1054
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 8: Me to see uh an elegant place to place it.

1055
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 7: In either or the Mystery Night. Yeah, I don't see it.

1056
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 8: I think it would be better place in the Hedge Night,

1057
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 8: and I don't think it would happen in this one.

1058
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 7: But I think it's possible that that Egg would.

1059
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 8: Find out sooner, except that I think if Egg found out,

1060
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 8: he would push for him to.

1061
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 4: Just get just get nice. It would be an interesting

1062
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 4: place for that to happen when they're in the North,

1063
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: when Knighthood isn't such a big deal, and that might

1064
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: like a bunch of other people are just like at nights.

1065
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 4: Who gives a crap? You know?

1066
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 6: Is there a wild where Egg can night dunk?

1067
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 7: I think that would be so funny. Yeah, Egg gets Night.

1068
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, Night by the point that don't.

1069
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: Joins the King's Guard, you know what I mean, he's

1070
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: a night by the third black Fiber.

1071
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think it would be a great time.

1072
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 6: Is that it'll be so cute.

1073
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 8: It's like, I won't join the King's Guard because I'm

1074
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 8: not a knight, and he goes, well, I'm gonna knight

1075
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 8: you because I'm a night.

1076
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, no one else needs to know that. This is

1077
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 6: when you got knight died, but you will feel good

1078
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 6: in your heart?

1079
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 4: Are you a knight?

1080
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 8: Yes, that's what That's where I think it makes the

1081
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 8: most sense for Egg to be the one to knight him,

1082
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 8: and that that's the way to keep he.

1083
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: Can keep the secret. Yeah yeah, maybe only a few

1084
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: people know, maybe depending on which other characters that have

1085
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: been introduced early on are still around, like hopefully, like

1086
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 4: maybe Raymond is still around or London Ball. Yeah great, Yeah,

1087
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: I would love that because London Ball seems like a

1088
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: candidate to join the King's Guard too, right, like he

1089
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: seems a Guard's that's pretty far in the future, but

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Speaker 4: the kind of guy you would want, tough and also

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Speaker 4: very honest and yeah, very proud of himself. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: it seems to fit.

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Speaker 1: A shy and disease.

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Speaker 2: Uh tell us tell our audience where they can find you.

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Speaker 8: We stream on YouTube every Monday at six pm Eastern

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Speaker 8: during a night of the seven Kingdom season, and then

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Speaker 8: that edited podcast version goes up on all your podcast platforms, Spotify,

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Speaker 8: et cetera. Aziz also does a little bit of a

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Speaker 8: Crusader Kings three game stream Fridays at six pm. Some

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Speaker 8: Fridays we do a preview stream where we talk about

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Speaker 8: the trailers. We do that at five thirty pm before

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Speaker 8: his game stream. However, this Friday, we're not doing that

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Speaker 8: because we all get to watch the episode early.

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Speaker 4: Thanks super Bowl. I mean, let me add to those

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Speaker 4: game streams I do on Friday are Crusader King's three

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Speaker 4: is modded for a Song of Ice and Fire heavily,

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Speaker 4: so it's actually a dun It's actually it's actually a

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Speaker 4: Duncan Egg game stream. Now he's playing.

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Speaker 1: Which which which house did you start at?

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Speaker 4: And where you started. As they added him, they added

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Speaker 4: playability for for hedge nights and non landowners, so that

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Speaker 4: was one of the first ones they added was Duncan

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Speaker 4: Eggs were basically trying to make our own kind of

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Speaker 4: Golden company situation where you know, hey, we're an honorable

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Speaker 4: sell sour company. We don't break contracts right with the

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Speaker 4: gold So you've gone.

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Speaker 2: So you've already gone East, I see and put down

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Speaker 2: roots East.

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Speaker 4: We wanted elephants.

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Speaker 7: It's huge after all you needed to fix.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he needs at Yeah he's a big boy.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks a lot, folks. It's wonderful to see you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I can't wait to listen to more

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Speaker 2: of your opinions on this season.

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Speaker 4: Same and y'all as well. You guys are doing great

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Speaker 4: work over here and between all of us putting our

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Speaker 4: heads together, good things come.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Farewell.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepts and is

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Speaker 2: a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 5: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Faye Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 5: Special thanks to Soul Rubin Chris Lord Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 5: Heidi our discord moderator