1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to it could happen here, a show about things 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: falling apart and also putting things back together. Today we 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: have an episode about well it's that this is This 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: is kind of a big one, folks. So everyone who 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: listens to the show regularly will know that there have 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: been a rash of attacks by the far right on 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: drag Queen's Story hours and kind of similar events to that. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Events that are LGBT friendly, events that also involve children 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: have been regularly attacked all over the United States. At 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: the same time, there have been escalating attacks by right wingers, 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: often the very same people on reproductive healthcare resources clinics, 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Um. This is happening all over 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: the country, but one place where things have been particularly 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: aggressive as of late is in New York Um, New 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: York City. And today we're going to be speaking with 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: a couple of different people who live in New York 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: who have been present at some of these actions and 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: who want to talk about what's been going on with 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: the far right and the attempts to defend these people 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: in these organizations from from right wing aggression. So I 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: want to introduce Talia. Now, Talia, you are known to 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: our audience. You've been on this show and some of 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: our other shows a couple of times in the past. 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, and hello 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: to everyone who still remembers what I sound like. And 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: do you wanna you wanna drop your your your Twitter 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: and stuff up at the top here too, because you 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of on the ground reporting at different 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: times in the city. It's pretty simple. It's Talia O 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: t g as an on the ground um and yeah 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: that's where I do my reporting on events analysis all 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: that dumb ship. And then our other guests are two 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: New Yorker is sorry, New York people, um, who are 34 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: both anti fascist activists who have been present in the 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: streets for a number of these recent events. I'd like 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: to introduce Tom and Barry. Do we want to go 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: around and do pronounced real quick? Here? Um, I'm I'm 38 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: he him? Yeah, sure, I'm she? Are they? This is Tom, 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm here him and I'm she her? Awesome? All right, 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: Well that is so, I guess I'd like to kind 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: of start and and hand it over to to Talia 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: if she wants to give kind of an overview of 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: how all of this has has has gone down. But 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: basically we've seen. I mean, the thing that surprised me 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: most in the coverage that I have watched from a 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: distance is how aggressive and large some of the right 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: wing presence has been at like reproductive health clinics in 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: New York City. I was kind of surprised to see 49 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: that in New York. Yes. So there's a group in 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: New York called NYC for Abortion Rights and they host 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: once monthly clinic defenses at the Planned Parenthood on Bleaker 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: in Lower Manhattan. UM. And they do that because there 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: is a church nearby the basilica of Old St. Pat's 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: that hosts a a coalition of anti abortion religious zelic groups. 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: They organized these large they're usually processions to the Planned Parenthood, 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: where they pray outside, they throw holy water on the building. 57 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: They attempt to hand out UM propaganda and literature and 58 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: intimidate people who are coming into the clinic for necessary 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: health services. UM. And these dame individuals have been seen 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: attending anti vaxx rallies that the man who leads the 61 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: procession to the Planned Parenthood UM his name is Christopher Mansinski. 62 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: He's also known as Fidelis, and he has invaded clinics 63 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: in White plain New York in I think UM East 64 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Hempstead UM. He has been trying to revive Red Rose Rescue, 65 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: which UM. People who are familiar with the fight for 66 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: reproductive rights are probably aware that that is the primary 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: group that invades clinics and tries to harass patients, UM, 68 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: threatens doctors and care workers and all all sorts of things. 69 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: That the main people who lead Red Rose are either 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: in jail or have died thankfully, UM. And he's trying 71 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: to revive that here in New York. UM. And he 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: has attended um rallies organized by bar right conspiracists, Anti 73 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: vas conspiracists UM. And it's like, you know, he he 74 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: went to d C for the March for Life and 75 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: then he stuck around for the My Body, My Choice, 76 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: Anti vacks rallies. It's it's very it's it's very contradictory. 77 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: But we see these same people because they're aligning on conservativism, 78 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: on crystal fascism, and we're seeing him pop up UM 79 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: insured spaces pretty frequently in New York in ways that 80 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: I think are more transparent or like more easy to 81 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: clock here, even if there is like a larger density 82 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: of them that do mobilize to these specific things like 83 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: clinic Crossman's Yeah, that's um, that's a really interesting point. 84 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: And that's also what we've seen a lot in the 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. Um. You know, we just had an attempt 86 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: at rally at a drag Queen Story Hour in Eugene 87 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: and it was a lot of the same old crowd 88 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: who used to rally in Portland before they got scared 89 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: off of Portland. Now I'm wondering kind of what how 90 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: would you characterize the response of the police to these 91 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: events and how they kind of have have have treated 92 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: the right wing at these Well, it is about it's uh, 93 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: cliche as cliche comes. Because every single time, Um, when 94 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: I've covered clinic defenses specifically, the police are helping move 95 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: the procession along and threatening clinic defenders with arrest on 96 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: the basis that they're blocking the roadway. Um they are. 97 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: They they essentially work as like secondary of security. Um. 98 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes they will split off from the other police and 99 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: be like pushing and shoving clinic defenders on their own 100 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't make any sort of strategic sense. 101 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: But it's like they're getting enjoyment from doing that. Um, 102 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: it's it's the same story over and over again. You know, 103 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: we see it in in San Diego when anti fascists 104 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: were mobilizing against uh like Trump's supporters that were being 105 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: very violent. The Trump supporters were doing the violence, and 106 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: it was the police that were attacking the anti fascists 107 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: trying to fight against like trying to defend themselves against 108 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: the far right um. And we saw the same thing 109 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: at Penn State just the other night. The there was 110 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: a gaggle of like proud boys or I think Tess 111 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Owen referred to them as fascists in all black, who 112 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: were macing the crowd and they they you know, I 113 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: didn't do anything. The police escorted there was an incident 114 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: where a Proud Boy was assaulting or like somehow there 115 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: was a fight that happened with a demonstrator and a 116 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: Proud Boy and the demonstrator. The police threw the demonstrator 117 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: on the ground and then escorted the Proud Boy into 118 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: the building where Gavin mcinness and Alex Stein were supposed 119 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: to put on a very bad it didn't end up happening, 120 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: lead him back to his friends. Jesus Christ I asked 121 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: that question, and I know everybody like listening, and I 122 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: know all of you knew like what the answer was 123 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: going to be. I feel like you still have to 124 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: like ask it. Um. I am curious. The NYPD has 125 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: a kind of manpower, access to manpower, and access to 126 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: surveillance equipment that, in my experience out does most nations 127 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: I've been in. And I'm interested particularly and everyone's responses 128 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: are welcome, but particularly what what Tom and Barry might 129 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: have to say about what sort of roadblocks that provides 130 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: towards organizing responses to these events and kind of how 131 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: activists have had to adapt to that. Uh, this is 132 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: Tom here. I mean, I will say it's very clear 133 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: that the NYPD constantly monitors any sort of online space whatsoever, 134 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: and I think most people know to organize, you know, 135 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: in person or on signal with a small group of 136 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: their friends, rather than trying to get a larger group 137 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: of people to come to a thing publicly on the internet, 138 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: because anytime that happens, it's like there's instantly, you know, 139 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: that much larger of a police presidency at dozens and 140 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: dozens of what's called the s RG, the Strategic Response Group, 141 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: which I think probably can maybe speak on that a 142 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: little more but they're basically the hats and bats that 143 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: come bust up protests. Yeah, definitely agree with that, UM. 144 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: And I would also say that because of the share 145 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: volume of events that these exact same groups of people 146 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: who are now attacking UM drag story hours and clinics, 147 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: because we know this group already and they were having 148 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: on the daily anti vax rallies which objectively stopped kind 149 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: of being a thing to them, consider try to mobilize 150 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: account of protests for um SO, I think there is 151 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: kind of a large disconnect right now, which, whether by 152 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: design or accidentally, where I think a lot of people 153 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: feel like um, people who might attend account of protest 154 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: that is might feel like, oh, no, it's just those 155 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: same idiots up to their nonsense again, you know that 156 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: that's we don't worry about that. Tell me if it's 157 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: the proud voice coming and we'll mobilized kind of protest. 158 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Um So, I honestly feel that it's sort of a 159 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: mental kind of the mental associations that we have with 160 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: these familiar faces UM. I mean, despite the fact that 161 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: it's been kind of obviously bomb observed that the anti 162 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: vax stuff is direct pipeline and radicalization um platform for 163 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: these more extremelyst Cristal fascists and transport with actions. Now 164 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: people still can't really detach that this is actually serious now, 165 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: so um, but yeah, I agree with that. Tom said 166 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: that it's a matter of not dropping it. I'm sorry. 167 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean that that gets to another kind of advantage 168 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: these folks have, which is because of how much additional 169 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: state repression y'all are dealing with, the kind of personal 170 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: cost of attending these events, encountering the Right is higher, 171 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: both in terms of potential risk and just kind of 172 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the trauma incurred. I know from personal experience. 173 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't been out in the street in 174 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: quite a while, about a year at this point, and 175 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: I know a lot of other people who are in 176 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: the same place, because it just kind of you know, 177 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: you can only take so much as an individual. What 178 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: are some ways in which y'all is a community try 179 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: to cope with burnouts that you can continue to meet 180 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: the pace at which the Right is doing this stuff. 181 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's really relying on other people 182 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: like the same one, two or three or four or 183 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: five people can't keep doing everything well. As people start 184 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: to get exhausted. I think then it's time to you know, 185 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: take a step back, take a week off, take three 186 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: weeks off, Like there have to be other people that 187 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: are ready to step up, um, you know throughout your community, 188 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: but throughout everywhere. Yeah, and definitely I think there's going 189 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: to be more of a need to emphasize that this 190 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: requires every day and say fascists. I think in New 191 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: York City especially, we kind of fell into a trap 192 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: where any kind of public falled encounter was very I 193 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: mean mil it's into style and boarding, you know, very 194 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: clear that it's a cab and their black the water 195 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: cans at that and the kinds of people that are 196 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: just meeting members that we actually do need to also 197 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: show up and saw the fascists that they're not welcoming 198 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: here any able. It's either they're not going to response 199 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: to something like that multitude of reasons, and uh, what 200 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: can you say about sort of the numbers that you're 201 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: seeing kind of on both sides on the ground here, 202 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: what's like a normal action looking like in terms of that? UM, 203 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just from reporting and keeping tabs 204 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: on different types of protests in New York City, we 205 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of uh, nonprofits and more established type 206 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: groups that organize larger events UM, and those are typically 207 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: just marches for visibility and awareness UM. And when it 208 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: comes to a counter or some sort of direct action 209 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: like Mutual Aid for example, UM, we see much smaller numbers. 210 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: But those numbers that I mean that I see at 211 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: least is that these are people who've built community and 212 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: UM communicate together. As opposed to seeing a flyer showing 213 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: up just for that one day. These are people who 214 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: consistently are engaging with one another and with that space. So, 215 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: like I mentioned mutual Aid, we have UM Washington Square 216 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Park mutually which meets every Friday, and the core group 217 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: that UM sets it up and distributes and everything is 218 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: relatively small. But the people who have shown up to 219 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: support in some capacity in the past two years that 220 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: it has been active UM, they all know each other. 221 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that you know, they're like necessarily 222 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: going to birthday parties together or UM you know, donating 223 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: kidneys to one another or something like that. It's not 224 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: necessarily like best friend groups, but it's people who have 225 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: built a sort of neighborhood in this ideology and in 226 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: this space in this time. I would also say like 227 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: these particular events have kind of brought in like a 228 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: different group of people. It's not like this same cruise 229 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: of people that were doing other things, because there's more 230 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of liberal people getting involved that are like coming 231 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: to these drag String Court, drag Queen Story our defenses 232 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: to you know, be joyful and hold up signs and 233 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: saying and like welcome people into the library. So that's 234 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: also made it more easy to keep these going because 235 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: we've kind of got a larger revolving door of people 236 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: rather than you know, smaller groups. Yeah, that makes sense 237 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: as like, particularly as a way to not burn people out. 238 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm curious as to what have you seen 239 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: as far, like one of the major tactics anti fascists 240 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: always uses identification um and exposing people who are attending 241 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: these events rallying with fascist organizations. Have you noticed a 242 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: difference on how well this works for the people who 243 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: are showing up to protest like drag Queen Story Our 244 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: events versus um the people showing up at reproductive healthcare clinics, 245 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: at planned parenthoods and such. Because it kind of strikes 246 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: me that one of those is more mainstream maybe than 247 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: the other. Although perhaps I'm being kind of optimistic in that, 248 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: But I'm wondering, does that does it appear to be 249 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: more effective against kind of one kind of rally than 250 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: it is in another kind, if that makes any sense. 251 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: So a lot of the people who are engaging in 252 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: the clant harassments are known among their networks, and because 253 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: their goal is to present a sort of legitimizing face 254 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: for opposing abortion, um, they don't typically show up to 255 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: things that are a little bit more volatile. But we 256 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: have seen that with so it as it happens that 257 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: this the people who are harassing drag Story are for 258 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: the most part have been a part of one specific 259 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: core group of people that I've been monitoring and reporting 260 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: on for the past year. So I know all of 261 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: their names, which has pigeonholed them into what they can 262 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: and can't do. We had, um, there's there's this far 263 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: right propagandist or in Levy. His brother was at ah. 264 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: He was trying to harass a drag Story hour at 265 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: the Andrew High Scale Library for the Blind, and that 266 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: was an event put on for Neurow divergent children and 267 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: he was attempting to harass that. He ended up pepper 268 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: spray to people, and because he has known, his name 269 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: is out there, his face is known, and he is 270 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: identifiable across all social media networks, it was very easy 271 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: for those people to be able to file complaints against him. Um. Yeah. 272 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: And another thing too is that because this one group 273 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: does all of these harassments together. They started out doing 274 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: anti vax stuff where they were going and harassing a 275 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: restaurant called Dame in Um think it's in the village 276 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: or yeah, it's in the village. They were harassing that 277 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: restaurant for a while, and then they started harassing the 278 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Health Commissioner's house and then Gracie Mansion, which is where 279 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: Eric Adams lives. And they were all doing these things together, 280 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: so their network was very easy to monitor and trace UM. 281 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: And so when they started harassing Drag Story Hour, which 282 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: was undeniably they were doing that as a result of 283 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: far right propaganda that was being pushed into all of 284 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: their social media spaces trying to convince them that Drag 285 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: Story Hour is, you know, the Satan incarnate. Um, they 286 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: start showing up and trying to harass those and immediately 287 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: they're known. They tried to harass UM, they tried to 288 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: disrupt AOC at a listening event that she was doing 289 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: in Queens. Immediately they were known. It was like I 290 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: saw the footage and I was like, that's Robert White, 291 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: that's you know, Cliff Lee, that's sort of Ronan Levy. 292 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: And it's doing that because they're known, because it's clear 293 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: that it's one group. It's showing up and doing this, 294 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: trying to trying to follow the lead on what is 295 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: the trending outrage on the far right that week. It 296 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: limits the number of people who are interested in joining 297 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: them because it's they rely on making it seem like 298 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: they are just neighbors and constituents who aren't happy with X, 299 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: y Z. And it's like, you know, you're a coordinated 300 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: group of harassers. We know who you are. So that 301 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: mask being off, definitely, I think has helped to reduce 302 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: the willingness to grow in those harassments. But I can't 303 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: necessarily speak to the future on what would hold or 304 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: like what other people have been inspired by them, because 305 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: we have seen neo Nazis show up in other states 306 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: to protest drag story are the same way that these 307 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: this little you know band harassers has been harassing story ours. Yeah, um, yeah, sorry, 308 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: just a direct response to that that I definitely agree 309 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: um that Yeah, we've been monitoring the movement of uh 310 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: the main actors in the anti backs movement for a while, 311 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to say that it is occasionally 312 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: other groups, but that they all have the same thing 313 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: in common and that they attached to the kind of 314 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: hot topic issue that they see happening in other cities 315 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: and states. So we did have actually like a very 316 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: like certainly Crystal cashis group um uh TMP that was 317 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: called who you know had publicly announced a rally to 318 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: harass the story or initially flashed onto that UM. But 319 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: all of it is kind of following national trends, UM, 320 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: because they are initially trying to make see ur t 321 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: and schools be the thing that was a multitude of 322 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: different groups that are trying and you know, they're looking 323 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: for something that sticks, and they're looking for something that 324 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: passers by any given passers by walking by. We'll see 325 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: their side it if they hear it, um. But their 326 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: lack of success though is because of their violence and 327 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: UM not especially convincing and very human on sounding antics 328 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: to where it is clear that they are not actually 329 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: they're protesting what they playing themselves, they're protesting, Um, you know, 330 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: they're they're losing sympathy because eventually their signs started being 331 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: about Antifa instead of about Electricy protecting the children themselves. 332 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: UM So their own messaging kind of probably also at 333 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: fault there. But this issue is still always going to 334 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: be at risk for attracting different new Nazi groups. UM. 335 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: I mean we've seen Orlando and now there's a relition 336 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: of Nazi surgeon together to attack Story Hour. We've actually 337 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: seen some of that in New York. It was just 338 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: coincidence that this one crazy into baxtor Um showing them 339 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: to attack story I was the same day that perhaps 340 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: other groups were, UM, don't to say too much that 341 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: at the moment, because they can talk something. Yeah, I 342 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: was just gonna say, I mean about the you know, 343 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: neo Nazis and other areas coming in protesting these drag 344 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: queen Story Hours. I mean that the first bigger one 345 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: we did was at Elmhurst Library. There were not only 346 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: somebody who was at a neo Nazi rally in front 347 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: of Trump Tower. Once we had a January six insurrectionists, 348 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: and I think Holly can probably speak to those two 349 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: characters a little more. But then there was some other 350 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: There was another Drug Queen Story Hour where someone from 351 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: g d L showed up, and I'm sure you're familiar 352 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: with g d L, Robert right, Yes, yes, yeah, the 353 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: Goyam Defense League. These guys around the hate bus flying 354 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: the swastika there. Yeah, I mean you just said swastika. 355 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: But in place people are not aware of what Goyam means. 356 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: What you need to know is the Goham Defense League 357 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: or hardcore Nazis. Yeah, like they are legitimate, straight up 358 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: neo Nazis. They fly to the swastika, they go harassed 359 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: Jewish neighborhoods, um count in those yeah, capital a Nazi. Yeah, 360 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: one of them went and harassed one of the Drag 361 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Queen Story Hours recently. Uh. Then he ran off and 362 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: said he was going to get his friends and didn't 363 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: show up with anyone else from what then? Speaking of 364 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: neo Nazis, you probably know Jovie Valve. Oh yeah, Jovie 365 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: and I had a conversation a couple of years ago 366 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: with with my good friend Goad. Yeah, your old buddy. 367 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: M hmmm. Well he showed up at UM I believe 368 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: it was a pediatric health care facility. I don't know 369 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: if they do gender affirming care, but he was in 370 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: front of it to sign I'm sorry, I said, neither, 371 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: did he? Yeah, yeah exactly. It was literally because the 372 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: clinic had tried flags in the window. Yeah okay, because 373 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: he was holding up a sign that said I'd rather 374 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: a Nazi than a pedophile, which is just like a 375 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: nonsensible and we all know, just say, you're a fucking Nazi. 376 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: Why is that the choice. It's so funny because there's 377 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: like pictures of him with the swastic netflace, like doing 378 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: the Roman salute, Like, dude, everyone knows you're a Nazi. No, 379 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: he's completely unashamed. And that's the weirdest part about him, 380 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: because you know, he learned an interesting lesson about wearing 381 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: just a you know, a maga hat in a bar 382 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn a few years ago. If anyone knows what 383 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: incident I'm talking about, Oh yeah, So I find it 384 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: interesting that this actually did not deter him from ever 385 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: leaving his house again, you know, nearly losing his entire nose, 386 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: um so, and then still deciding to just double down 387 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: and actually start carrying the Nazi flags, thinking it will 388 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: go better this time. Um and Apparently he just hes 389 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: trying to make Nazi ship. He's trying to make his 390 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: name again in two like Jovi val Is, he's he's expired, 391 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: and he doesn't seem to realize that he's one of them. 392 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna do is I'm going to 393 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: show up and I'm gonna have nobody with me, and 394 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be standing in front of a closed 395 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: pediatric clinic, like with a sign telling people all they 396 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: see from a distance is the word pedophile and the 397 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: word Nazi. Like I mean, he did had his one 398 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: little body with him in fairness, according to his own 399 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: videos that he posted of the encounter, and that buddy 400 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: of his, whoever he was, could be heard saying, uh 401 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: something like, hey man, you know I can't fight. Actually 402 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: I saw the video that got posted on Telegram and 403 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: he said, Jovie, I can't find I can't find man, 404 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: I can't fight. And you can also hear Jovi yelling 405 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: what are you doing? What are you doing as he 406 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: gets tossed into like a construction area, And he's such 407 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: an embarrassment to like even other Nazis. They're even making 408 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: fun of him online. I mean, somebody literally said the 409 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: why does jovie always get his ass kicked? This is ridiculous. 410 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: He is he is the kind of he is the 411 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: kind and generation of Nazi that other Nazis consider cringe 412 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: like fucking jovie valve ate him so much. At the 413 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: same time, though, it is a little bit alarming because 414 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: all of this attention on UH figures such as jovie 415 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: Val failing every time and like stepping on rakes metaphorically 416 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: every time he goes outside, it does kind of open 417 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: a nerving vacuum up to like, oh, what, I can 418 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: be a way better Nazi than that. So that is 419 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: the part that concerns me. If the constant attention is that, um, 420 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: you know, jovie Val did not succeed in organizing a 421 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: transphobic Nazi rally outside of a closed pediatric clinic. Okay, 422 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: I guess that's a win. But who else sees that 423 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: and sees and thinks, oh, we can do so much better, 424 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: Because we do have a problem with unidentified Nazis throughout 425 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: New York City. There's you know, there's been increases in 426 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: all sorts of graffiti all over the subways, um Nazi 427 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: literature being put on trains and lefted places it's uh, 428 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, so who is seeing this and how what 429 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: is the messaging exactly to say that you won't succeed 430 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: if you try this either, just because you know Jovi 431 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: keeps getting his ship rocked, like we need you to 432 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: know he will you will do get your ship. I 433 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: mean that's the most important thing, at least in my experience, 434 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: and that is mostly as an observer. I'm not an organizer, 435 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: but I've I've watched what's happened in the Pacific Northwest. 436 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: And the reason why these people don't rally in Portland's 437 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: the way they used to is they were faced with 438 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: consequences and that required I mean that was there was 439 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: not a simple process. It took fucking five years and 440 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people got broken bones and a number 441 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: of them got killed. But like that is that is 442 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: the thing people like, These people's lives have to be created. 443 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: And one of the things that is a real problem 444 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: is that at it's a lot easier to created people 445 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: for rallying, or it used to be. Number one, it 446 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: used to be easier to create people's lives because they 447 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: were willing to rally with Nazis. But also now the 448 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: right has succeeded in mainstreaming these two specific things, going 449 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: after drag queen story our events and going after reproductive 450 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: healthcare clinics and the people using them, to such a 451 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: degree that it's gotten a lot harder to ruin people's 452 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: lives over this sort of thing. That's that's true. But 453 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: at the same time, there is an increase in so 454 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: many of them who are just unabashedly that way post 455 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: their full names, addresses, photos, they say, you know, identifying 456 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: or doc see them is not there's just actually almost hyeah. Yeah, 457 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: like most like a large chunk of the country is 458 00:27:52,760 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: totally fine if you're a crazy bigot. Our right is 459 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: radicalizing in a sort of gradual case over the course 460 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: of many years. UM. And what's happening with UM people 461 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: who are countering them is that there is this density 462 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: of media and pundits sort of UM looking down their 463 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: nose at the decorum of countering them. So, you know, 464 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: we we look at Penn State, UM students showed up 465 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: in mass, hundreds of them, UM significantly outnumbered the Proud 466 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: Boys that did show up, the fascist that did show 467 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: up and successfully shut the event down. But there's still 468 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: this like armchair pungentry reflex to say, oh, well they 469 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: didn't do it right. There's no like that. It's not 470 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: the right way to protest. And I think, um, what 471 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: Barry is sort of Verry mentioned earlier about everyday anti fascists, 472 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: and that's again like with your neighbors and recognizing that 473 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: it's not this weird, um inaccessible, like isolated group of 474 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: people who solely show up very militant and in black 475 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: block and they've got like all this training and all 476 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: these like slogans and slang and words, and you know, 477 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: it's it's none of that iconography. Because that is also 478 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: the conservative media i e. Andy Know constantly refers to 479 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: all sorts of things as oh, this is just antifa, 480 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: and the purpose of that is to make it seem 481 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: like you can't do that too, when in reality he uh, 482 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Andy know that little ship stain. He referred to the 483 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: defense of the successful defense at the elm Elmhurst Library. 484 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: He claimed that it was Antifa militants when I happen 485 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: to know there was a pastor who was there, there 486 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: was a nursing mother with her infant and her toddler 487 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: who was there. There were librarians present, and there were 488 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: people who showed up because they were in the neighborhood 489 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: and they heard that far right extremists were going to 490 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: try and grass And sure enough, just like Tom mentioned, 491 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: there was a J six insurrectionist who tried to get 492 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: into the building. I recognize, Yeah, he tried to rush in. 493 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: I recognized him. His name is Mitchell Bosh. He's best 494 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: known for getting arrested for taking a knee in a 495 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: burger king. Get arrested, okay, hoodie, Yeah, this guy tried 496 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: to rush in and I don't know how it happened, 497 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, my arm was hooked into 498 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: his arm, twisting his upper body slightly, so he didn't 499 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: have a good he didn't have good leverage to try 500 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: and burst into the building where I knew that if 501 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: he got in, he would refuse to leave until he 502 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: was physically removed by police, So then he could then 503 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: go online and say that he was fighting for freedom 504 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: and collect bullshit don'tations for bullshit legal funds. So getting 505 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: all back to this though, is that the media and 506 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: like these these pundits and everything they are complicit in 507 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: making it harder for people to build community. But people 508 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: need to understand it is literally your neighbors. It is 509 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: your local librarians, it is your uh friends, it is 510 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: your coworkers, it's regular people. The same way people showed 511 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: up to protest in they you know, ow should I 512 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: bring a sign? Should I bring a bottle of water? 513 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Should I bring my a d what should I bring? 514 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: And they just showed up and they mark you can 515 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: do the same thing because when you have a significant 516 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: number of people, you don't need to worry about being 517 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: militant because you outnumber them. And across the board, if 518 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: you look at data, the positions and the politics that 519 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: these people hold and the things that they're pushing are 520 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: in the significant minority of opinion. A majority of people 521 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: are totally fine with trans people. They're totally fine, but drugs, 522 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: story are like, it's not a thing. But people aren't 523 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: showing up to remind them that their opinion is the minority, 524 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: that they are outnumbered. Yeah. I was going to say 525 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: I agree with that last point. And unfortunately the problem 526 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: seems to be about our kind of cultural um inability 527 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: to agree on the definition of violence and how even 528 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: though people are okay largely with queer and trans people 529 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: and protecting trans kids, um and they definitely do not 530 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: support Nazis. Um, they still do not think that um 531 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: any kind of militant action, including violence against these people 532 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: is ever appropriate. Um and just a direct response to 533 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: the Penn State thing that goes beyond punditory, even because 534 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: Penn State itself released a statement saying that, um, that 535 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: it does not condone violence without saying who started the violence? 536 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: A k. The Proud Boys, who are amazing people. Um, 537 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: they said that, Uh, just because you don't agree with 538 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: a speaker and their right to free speech. Okay, UM 539 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: hate full tour of Gavin mckinnesson the Proud Boys. UM 540 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: that there is no excuse for violence. So they denounced 541 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: the content of the message as well as the response 542 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 1: to the message. So we're kind of in this limbo 543 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: where people who have the voice to send these messages 544 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: are still playing the meat at the dinner table both sides. 545 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: Surely we can come to a peaceful resolution and then 546 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: blaming the side that actually is militantly opposed to it 547 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: and how to overcome that, I don't know, but I 548 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: do think the like Tolly also said, every day anti 549 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: fascism is a pretty good start. Yeah, I mean with 550 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: everyday anti fascism, like the right does this gradritt organizing 551 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: and gets people to like tacitly agree with what the 552 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Proud Boys and these fascist groups do. I think there's 553 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: plenty of like normal people who would tacitly agree with 554 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: what we're doing on this side of things. Um, but 555 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean you looked at like I think it was 556 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: a somebody campaigning for me. It was Rohn de santis Abert, 557 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: you know about this. It was like a literal neo Nazi. 558 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Who got it was a ruby Rubio and it was 559 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: the guy was a member of the He was a 560 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: Cuban fascist who was a member of the League of 561 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: the South. Like there was a journalist online who was 562 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: like this is awful. Somebody's like he's literally a Nazi. 563 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: And then you look up this journalists like history of 564 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: articles she's written and one was like this is why 565 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: you should be friends with the Nazi or I'm paraphrasing, 566 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: but that's literally like we should be friend Nazis. Like 567 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: it's it is ridiculous how so much of the mazed 568 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: dream is like, let's come to the table and be polite. 569 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I really think, and I think a lot 570 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: of other people think when it comes to Nazis and 571 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: fascists in the far right, you have to make it 572 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: as costly as possible, whatever that means to you. You 573 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: have to make it as costly as possible for them 574 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: so they are deterred from doing this. Organizer. Yeah, I 575 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: think that's the most durable conclusion certainly that I have. 576 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: It seems like what y'all have experienced too and are 577 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: continuing to experience. Is there is there anything else you'll 578 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: wanted to get into about about what's been happening in 579 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: with with these events before we kind of close out 580 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: for the day. The only thing I could think to 581 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: add was that that it's not over. And um. People 582 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: might think, oh, they stopped coming to Drug Story hours 583 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, but they're going to find the next thing, 584 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: the next issue, the next clinic, the next hospital, the 585 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: next healthcare provider, the next family was trans children. Uh, 586 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: they have dresses, they have names, they know where to go. 587 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: They're just looking for when they feel most emboldened to 588 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: do so. Um. And it's kind of it's hard to 589 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: communicate that because people think, oh, Okay, that was a 590 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: successful action. You know, we're done, We're done with them 591 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: for now. But I don't know, it's it's it's just 592 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: it's really hard to communicate the message that, like, you know, 593 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: it's like head on this level, this is the this 594 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: is the hardest thing to not just to get across 595 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: to people, but to kind of like actively except for yourself, 596 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: because it's it's one of the most frustrating realities of 597 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: living in our society, and there's no way to get 598 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: around it, which is that like not being eaten by 599 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: these people is the result of constant vigilance against them, 600 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: Like they win if you don't continue showing up and 601 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: one day in in in the bright blue yonder, I 602 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: do believe that if people continue showing up and continue 603 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: making it clear that their cause is hopeless, these people 604 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: will I'll drink themselves to death or whatever. But um, 605 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: you know that's that's not an immediate term sort of thing. No, 606 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: I know, And I mean for just my personal note, like, yes, 607 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: that is exactly the mode I'm in now. And I 608 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: mean I'm a Jewish anti fascist organizer. It's almost this 609 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of history repeating itself ancestral need um to keep 610 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: at it. And I'm one of many people, um in 611 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: the same kind of mindset towards not an option to 612 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: rest and wait until they you know, strike when they 613 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: think we're not looking. Yeah, but it's it's you know 614 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: obviously yeah. I mean we have like, we have evidence 615 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: that they are looking for the next thing. We have 616 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: evidence that um. You know, there's this one woman who 617 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: got heavily involved with UM, the anti Vacks group New 618 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: York Freedom Rally UM, and she would go on you know, 619 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: Instagram live stream saying a lot of like transphobic stuff, 620 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: but she never transferred that over onto public spaces until 621 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: this week, where she reiterated the same points that she 622 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: was making in the privacy of her home on that 623 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: live stream to her little audience. She's now saying it 624 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: on a stage that she's sharing with the candidate for governor, 625 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: leez Eldon. Um. She's she's repeating these same things. So 626 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: it's showing also that they are finding it. They're finding 627 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: themselves more comfortable in saying these uh, bigoted things and 628 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: pushing more extreme things and expecting for their followers and 629 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: their friends to follow suit. There's people who have shown 630 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: up to these harassments of drag story art who have 631 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: said directly to me that they don't really agree with 632 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 1: the harassment itself, but that their friends are they're doing 633 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: the harassment, and so they're showing up for them, and 634 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: that's a very quick road to they are going to 635 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: decide to care about this very deeply and go very 636 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: hard about it. But what has worked is when people 637 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: show up and make it not happy and not good 638 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: for them, when their footage is ruined, when their sound 639 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: bites are sucked up, when they are blocked from doing 640 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: the thing that they're trying to do to generate that 641 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: content to feed that like bigoted beast. When people show up, 642 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: when those events keep happening, that's a big thing, is that, 643 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: like the venues that host these events need to not 644 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: cancel them because when those venues cancel, it tells the 645 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: biggests that they are winning. And what needs to happen 646 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: is the venue is feeling brave to put out calls 647 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: for community support the same way that had been in Eugene. 648 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: Because when that then you put out that ask, they 649 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: got hundreds of people and they outnumbered the biggests ten 650 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: to one. I was just gonna say, I was I'm 651 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: very heartened by like how supportive the UH people in 652 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: the neighborhoods and libraries have been whether they're allowed to 653 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: officially support anything or not, it's been you know, nice 654 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: to know that people are happy we're there. And also 655 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: I would really love to see a meme of Jovie 656 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: Val stepping on a rake. You have that image in 657 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: my head? Yeah, Um, was there anything else we wanted 658 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: to get to? Uh? Self defense is community offense defense 659 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: and if people are interested. Um. People in New York 660 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: created something called I fact Fund where you donate funds 661 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: and then people who want to receive individual first aid 662 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: kits um can request one and receive one for free. Um. 663 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: And it was created in honor of a anti fascist 664 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:27,240 Speaker 1: badass named torch Um who is always present a UM. 665 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, if if people wanted to check that out, 666 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: it's uh. The Twitter account is just at I fact Fund, 667 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,720 Speaker 1: I f a k fund um if they want to donate, 668 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,240 Speaker 1: I think it's uh cash app is I fact Fund. 669 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: I think you know someone else could look it up 670 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: to check dollar sign Fund. Oh I'm sorry, Dollar Signed 671 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: I fact Fund, Thank you whatever. Yeah, um, And you know, 672 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: it's it's just a matter of like knowing that we 673 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: keep us safe in every sense of the word. Yeah, 674 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's a that's a perfect note to 675 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: end on. Thank you all for your time, Thank you 676 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: for continuing to be out there in the streets. Um 677 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: and everybody else, get out there and make a fascist 678 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: stay worse. It could Happen here as a production of 679 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. 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