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Speaker 2: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecop go low a podcast?

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Speaker 2: Back at it again. Okay, here's the plan for today.

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Speaker 2: The Travelers Championship is this week. Someone reached out and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: do you want a player? I said, sure, Like how

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Speaker 2: about Joel Damon? I said, let's talk. So Joel Damon's

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Speaker 2: going to join us. I talked to him early on

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Speaker 2: his own episode on the Netflix special. If you haven't

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Speaker 2: watched it, go check it out. Pretty unreal story. Great

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Speaker 2: guy who actually lives in Arizona. I would love to

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Speaker 2: play golf with him sometime. And Jason Soble, who spent

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Speaker 2: last week at the US Open. And you know, his

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Speaker 2: job as serious as he interviews all the players as

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Speaker 2: they come off the course. So he talked to everyone,

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Speaker 2: for Rory to Ricky. I mean he's covered the PGA

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Speaker 2: all the agents, some unique perspective of the course, the tournament,

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Speaker 2: the main three guys, Ricky, Rory, and Wyndham Clark. His

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Speaker 2: thoughts and as we try to take a deep breath,

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Speaker 2: we only got one more major, which is another month away.

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Speaker 2: This week obviously is an elevated event, hard to handicap.

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Speaker 2: I might throw a little on Thigala. I might take Ludvig,

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Speaker 2: who's basically like the Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence or Caleb

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Speaker 2: just go out of college, the number one college player.

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Speaker 2: You can get him right now at a basically one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ten to one. So ten bucks would win

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Speaker 2: you a thousand. One hundred bucks would win you eleven thousand.

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Speaker 2: So I might dabble on those two individuals this weekend.

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Speaker 2: But this is hard to handicap after last week. So

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Speaker 2: the game plan Joel Damon, Jason Sobole slide in those

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Speaker 2: I think we'll be The game plan at golo Pod

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Speaker 2: joined by PGA Tour Professional and as you may know,

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Speaker 2: Netflix star Joel Davian. What's up man? How you doing good?

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Speaker 3: How are you guys doing?

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Speaker 2: Doing really good? Doing really good? How was last week?

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Speaker 2: I know you missed the cut, but the tournament A

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Speaker 2: lot of talk about l a CC. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Streets I probably very didn't have kind of all of

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Speaker 2: It's one thing like the travelers, you go to the

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Speaker 3: up to a slow start as numbers are incredible. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's also what twenty one years old, like let's let's

434
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Speaker 3: just get another year or two. So but yeah, that environment,

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you look, you I remember the Sonics,

436
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Speaker 3: you know, like Gary Payton. I named my first my

437
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Speaker 3: first pet animal, Gary Payton. So Gary Payton, Sean Kim,

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Speaker 3: Nate McMillan, Percy Hawkins, that whole crew. I mean, I

439
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Speaker 3: was all I was all in on all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited for the Sonics to come back someday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Joel, good luck this week. Look forward to watching

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Speaker 2: you and let's get a rolling baby perfect.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: My man Jason Soble rush off a week with the

445
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Speaker 2: elites at LACC around the winners the losers. He talked

446
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Speaker 2: to them all, sobl are you alive? I'm alive.

447
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Speaker 1: I got a brand new hat that I'm wearing. I

448
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Speaker 1: want to do one hundred appearances on the pod. You

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Speaker 1: get a hat. Wow, that's pretty cool. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for my five hundredth appearance. You know what do I get?

451
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Speaker 1: Like a a new pair of shorts or something. We

452
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Speaker 1: take care of our people back well, I do. James

453
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Speaker 1: send me a couple of shirts too. I forgot to

454
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Speaker 1: put the shirt on, but I got shirts too. That'll

455
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Speaker 1: come next time. I'll just easing my way in. It

456
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Speaker 1: was a good week. Look, I'm not stuck in traffic. Anymore.

457
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Speaker 1: So that's nice. We made it out and took Red

458
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Speaker 1: Eye back. That was fun and here we are. So yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: it was good week.

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Speaker 2: It really was, you know. Obviously the Majors now feels

461
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Speaker 2: dramatically different. Now who knows the piff and these guys

462
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Speaker 2: get back together, it'll feel cool again. But seeing the

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Speaker 2: top guys, and let's face it, Live paid really for

464
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Speaker 2: four I mean, they paid fill a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: But beside the Masters, he's not gonna be a factor

466
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Speaker 2: DJ Bryson, Cam and Brooks, right, and those are the

467
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Speaker 2: guys that got the most money, and those are clearly

468
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Speaker 2: their best players. Now that Bryson's showing some signs of life,

469
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Speaker 2: the ebb and flow of a golf tournament though, I

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Speaker 2: mean from Thursday to heading into Sunday, it just it's

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Speaker 2: pretty awesome. And that I guess let's start with Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Those guys set records. You're tweeting about it. You have

473
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Speaker 2: great perspective. I don't know who your stat guy is.

474
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Speaker 2: You got a lot of stuff in your back pocket too.

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Speaker 1: Come on that guy, Yeah, Like I got people like

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Speaker 1: people like.

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Speaker 2: Talking about did you expect twenty under after Thursday? Or

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Speaker 2: is this not your fust Rodeo, and you knew everything

479
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Speaker 2: was going to slow down, all right.

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Speaker 1: So a couple things there. First of all, when I

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Speaker 1: tweet and everyone else was like, oh my god, this

482
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Speaker 1: is not my US Open, This isn't a US so

483
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Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I tweeted out a little history lesson

484
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty US Open at Baltus Role, which isn't exactly

485
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Speaker 1: an easy golf course. Tom Wiscop shot sixty three, and

486
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Speaker 1: just because Tom was overshadowed by Jack Nicholas his entire career,

487
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Speaker 1: Jack went and shot sixty three like seven minutes later,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's like, you know, I used a lead from

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Speaker 1: Thomas Boswall's Washington Post Gamer that day, like you know,

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Speaker 1: about how easy it was. It didn't feel like a

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Speaker 1: US Open. By the end of the week, Jack won

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Speaker 1: with a score of eight under. He shot seven under

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Speaker 1: the first day one with eight under. Only four other

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Speaker 1: players were under par for the week, And I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of what happened. So I sort of

496
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Speaker 1: like the fact that I don't think the USGA necessarily

497
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Speaker 1: did this on purpose. But we've seen some Majors and

498
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Speaker 1: other big events, the Masters this year, the players last

499
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Speaker 1: year where Essentially we get four seasons in four days.

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Speaker 1: You can't really plan for that. But hey, one day

501
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Speaker 1: it's really hot, the next day it's windy, the next

502
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Speaker 1: day it's gonna be cold and rainy. In the last day,

503
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Speaker 1: it's sort of neutral, and it forces players to play

504
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Speaker 1: under every type of conditions. If you're a bad rain blayer,

505
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Speaker 1: well on the rainy day, if you shoot yourself out

506
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Speaker 1: of competition, you didn't deal with the elements the way

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Speaker 1: you needed to. I don't think the USGA said, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go two easy days and then two hard days

509
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Speaker 1: on the weekend. But if you're seriously looking for the

510
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Speaker 1: truest test of who can handle the elements, who can

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Speaker 1: handle different types of conditions, and who can sort of

512
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Speaker 1: change their game over the course of a few days, Like, okay, understand,

513
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Speaker 1: all right, we need to step on the gas pedal

514
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Speaker 1: Thursday when guys were shooting sixty two's. But by the

515
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Speaker 1: time we get to Saturday, it ain't going to be

516
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Speaker 1: that easy and we can't be as aggressive. And so

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Speaker 1: I kind of like what a tournament. The elements of

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Speaker 1: a tournament change during the course of those four rounds.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it's twitter, So I don't know how

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Speaker 2: much stock to put into it, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: opinions out there, people talking shit. Obviously that the crowd

522
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Speaker 2: it is what it is. There weren't that many people there.

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Speaker 2: That's just an ejective fact. But the course itself, you've

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Speaker 2: seen them all. There's not a big time course that

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Speaker 2: you haven't been stepped your foot on, walked around. What

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Speaker 2: was your overall take after walking around Monday through Wednesday

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Speaker 2: and then watching the guys play it as you sit

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Speaker 2: now in your office.

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Speaker 1: It's cool as shit, dude, So I said after the

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Speaker 1: PGA Championship last month we went to Oak Hill, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: great venue for a major championship, really hard. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's meticulously well maintained. I want no part of it.

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Speaker 1: Like if they said to me, hey, Monday, come on

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Speaker 1: out and play whenever you want, no, Like, I just

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Speaker 1: it's gonna kick my ass, Like it's just gonna like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't even be fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not fun. You know, I'm gonna go insane

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Speaker 1: playing that golf course. And I'm I'm an okay player.

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not gonna be fun. Lacc you walk

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Speaker 1: around and go okay again, it's hard, and it's a

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Speaker 1: major venue. But you're like, yeah, I want to play here.

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Speaker 1: Other than the yeah, no shorts and no phones and

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Speaker 1: no music and no anything else besides uh, no cash,

544
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Speaker 1: just walk around and play golf. But other than that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it looks awesome. I would love to play this golf course.

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Speaker 1: I think what people have trouble trying to separate, and

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Speaker 1: especially on social media, where it's maybe not big time

548
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Speaker 1: golf fans, big time golfers who understand the game as much.

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Speaker 1: But I think people have a really hard time separating

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Speaker 1: what a great golf course is from what a great

551
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Speaker 1: US Open venue is, or even more in particular, a

552
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Speaker 1: US Open set it up. And so I can understand. Look,

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Speaker 1: if you watched this past week and you go that

554
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Speaker 1: course looks awesome, I don't think it was set up

555
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Speaker 1: great for US Open. I'll buy that. I can certainly

556
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Speaker 1: understand that opinion right there, because I think that makes

557
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. But to sit there and go

558
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Speaker 1: there were two sixty twos. This course is stupid, Like, no,

559
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Speaker 1: it's not. I'm telling you I walked around most of

560
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Speaker 1: the week. It is not. It is a really really

561
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Speaker 1: good golf course. The property is amazing. I mean the

562
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Speaker 1: way it was put to me by Jeff Shackelford, who was,

563
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Speaker 1: along with Gil Hants, in charge of the restoration of

564
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Speaker 1: LACC about thirteen years ago. He said, it's as if

565
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Speaker 1: you took Central Park in New York City and put

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Speaker 1: a major championship venue just in the middle of Central Park,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, we're in the city and all of

568
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Speaker 1: a sudden there's a golf course like in the middle

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Speaker 1: of it, hidden plain view. That's what LACC is. And

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really neat, Like I said, great,

571
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Speaker 1: great piece of land there. You know, it's awesome. Wasn't

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Speaker 1: the most exciting US Open, No, But I tend to

573
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Speaker 1: think that we think in terms of who wins a

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Speaker 1: golf tournament, how dramatic it is at the end, as

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Speaker 1: far as how good it was and how good the

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Speaker 1: course was. I do the same thing. Look, I go

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Speaker 1: playing great course. I'm playing Marryon tomorrow. I'm playing Marry Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to drop that there. I'm playing with

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Speaker 1: Maryon with a buddy of mine, I assume two of

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Speaker 1: his buddies, and I'm sure we'll have a great time.

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Speaker 1: That will skew my experience as opposed to if I

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Speaker 1: was playing Marryon with like three people I didn't know

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Speaker 1: were playing by myself, I'd be like, yeah, this is great.

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Speaker 1: It's not as much fun. I'm playing with buddies. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: man playing a great golf course with buddies. I think

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing when you watch a Major. If

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Speaker 1: let's say there's four guys tied for the lead with

588
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Speaker 1: two holes to play, and Rory McElroy pulls it out,

589
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Speaker 1: He's your winner, or Ricky Fowler is your winner. Everyone goes,

590
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Speaker 1: that was awesome, that was so much fun. That was cool.

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Speaker 1: If it's Wyndam Clark two butted from fifty seven feet

592
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Speaker 1: to win the golf tournament, you're like, eh, it was okay.

593
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Speaker 1: And so I think that tends to skew people's opinions

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Speaker 1: of what the golf course with the golf tournament was.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd have to add if they put a

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Speaker 2: major venue in the middle of Central Park, but only

597
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Speaker 2: the Kennedy's, Rockefellers, Mara's, and Woody Johnson's family were and

598
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Speaker 2: the sign Brinners, you know, not everyone's getting in there.

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Speaker 1: I ain't saying anything bad about LACC again, I'm waiting

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Speaker 1: for my invites.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's there are three big names, Clark, Rory, and Ricky.

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Speaker 2: You start with whoever you want to start with and

603
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Speaker 2: give me your take, all right.

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Speaker 1: So, Wyndham Clark, you and I talked about this a

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Speaker 1: little bit before we hit the record button. But Wyndam Clark,

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Speaker 1: for the first three four years of his PGA Tour career,

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Speaker 1: he was known for the first shot in the last shot,

608
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: really good driver of the golf ball, long and straight,

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Speaker 1: really good putter. That's a nice combination.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: You know, what I've written about him, said about him

612
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years was if everything in

613
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Speaker 1: between is just pretty good, does that have to be great?

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Speaker 1: Just pretty good? He's going to challenge for golf tournaments,

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Speaker 1: He's going to be on the leaderboard. Well, what's happened

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Speaker 1: this year is his approach game is actually better than

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Speaker 1: his driving and his buddy. I mean, he's gotten really

618
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Speaker 1: good with his irons, and so that's why we've seen

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Speaker 1: him step up and become an elite level player. What

620
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Speaker 1: really impressed me, and quite honestly surprised me a little bit,

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Speaker 1: was the fact that his short game was so good

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Speaker 1: I mean he was hitting some of these webshots. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that might be a bogeye. You know, he left in

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Speaker 1: a bad spot around the green and all of a

625
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Speaker 1: sudden he knocks one to a foot and you're like, okay,

626
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Speaker 1: like easy, low maintenance par instead of making a bogie. Also,

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Speaker 1: the other thing that really stuck with me, I interviewed

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Speaker 1: him for the US Open radio broadcast coverage after the first, second,

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Speaker 1: and third rounds and he is just confident Tom like

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Speaker 1: didn't seem like the moment too big for him quite honestly,

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Speaker 1: between us, I will tell you that talking with him,

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Speaker 1: I almost like, I don't think he knows what's coming.

633
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Speaker 1: I don't think he quite realizes that, like wait till

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Speaker 1: he get into the pressure cooker of a Sunday back

635
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Speaker 1: nine major championship. He had only played in six of

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Speaker 1: them before this, never finished better than seventy fifth. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think he was gonna be able to handle that

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Speaker 1: pressure as well as he did. He did a great

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Speaker 1: job of it. And the last thing I'll put and

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Speaker 1: I know we're gonna talk about Rory and Ricky and

641
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Speaker 1: this leads right into those guys. How demoralizing is it?

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Speaker 1: For a Rory who hasn't won in nine years at

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Speaker 1: a major championship venue, for a Ricky Fowler who has

644
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Speaker 1: never won one of them and comes so close so

645
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: many times. It's one day if John rom beats them,

646
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: if Scotti Scheffler beats them, they're like, all right, that

647
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: guy's really good and he got me this time. It's

648
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: another thing when it's hey, here's a guy who's never

649
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: even been in this situation before, make it kind of

650
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: look easy and beating all of us and winning a

651
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: major championship. If you're Ricky, you're like, just walk with

652
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: him for thirty six holes. You're happy for the guy,

653
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: You like the guy. They're friends, but at some point

654
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: you go, dude, I've knocked on the door a million

655
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: times and I can't get through it. Shows up, plays

656
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: great golf for four days and he's a major champion.

657
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know that much about him really

658
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: till this year. Beside that these boys with McCaffrey, boys

659
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: with your guy sleeves, yeah, and uh Denver guy. But

660
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: from a nerdy golf perspective, I think that ability to

661
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: just know your shot and just play that cut till

662
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: the cows come home. Obviously, even before this year, you

663
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: knew Wyndham Clark hits the ball really far, but that confidence.

664
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean, when Rom's rolling, he just aims a little left, cuts,

665
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: it cuts, it cuts it. Wyndham. It looks a little

666
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: different at least by the shot tracer, but like he

667
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: just had to go to shot and never wavered, and

668
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: it was just cut after cut after cut, and on

669
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: those long part threes, the big high cut and it

670
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: was just after a while You're like, well, if he's

671
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: got a chip like that and he knows even his

672
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: missus where it's gonna go, he's going to be in

673
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: pretty good shape. He was, he was, he kind of

674
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: put on a ball striking fade clinic.

675
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've seen also, and this is going

676
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: to get into Rory as well, because I was on

677
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: social media as much as you were, if not more,

678
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: and looking at all the comments there, I'm not sure

679
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: I've seen a player tattie relationship work the way that

680
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: Wyndham and John Ellis did. John Ellis was a good player,

681
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: played a few US opens himself. The way they work

682
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: together for four days and the way they really do

683
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: every day at every event. We just don't see see

684
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: it that much because he's not on TV as much

685
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: as he will.

686
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: Can you guess the background? Can you get the background

687
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: how they met, because I think it's I saw I

688
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: saw that they He was coached him when he was

689
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: at Oregon. He was like an assistant coach, and they

690
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: just stayed close, and that's how he jumped on.

691
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I'm not sure, but yeah, that

692
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense.

693
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: I didn't know he was a former player. I just

694
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: assumed he was a college coach and kind of saw

695
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: this guy was a star, kind of like a Michelson

696
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: style with rom.

697
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: Right right now. It makes a lot of sense. I'm

698
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: not sure, but like you see them working together, you

699
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: see them like reading putts together. What it did was

700
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: spark a lot of people on social media who are like,

701
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: why doesn't Rory have that? Wory's not his buddy Harry

702
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: who's carrying the bag, And Okay, he likes him, but

703
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: why doesn't Rory have a guy who's shown I think

704
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: that's probably a little Monday morning quarterbacking there. Look, Rory

705
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: wasn't reading putts wrong. He was hitting really good putts.

706
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: He just wasn't close enough he was missing from thirty feet.

707
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: He was missing by inches like every single time. So

708
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's fair to say Ory needs

709
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: a guy like that, but I thought it was very

710
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: interesting the way they work together. We tried to talking people.

711
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: I always ask like, who's the best caddy? Like who

712
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: are the top five caddies? And I'm like, like, what

713
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: works for one guy doesn't work for another guy. Bones

714
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: Mackay has proved himself he's one of the best caddies

715
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: of all time. Whatever's happening with Justin Thomas right now

716
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: is not working. And that doesn't mean it can't work.

717
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: They've won together already, but you know, certainly it's it's

718
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: not worth working right now. So it comes down to

719
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: how the relationship is. Clark and ellis worked really well together.

720
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to attempt to psychoanalyze Roy because

721
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: clearly he's played over the last couple of years very

722
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 2: very well, a little like Wyndham Clark, and I think

723
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: this is kind of true. Look at eighteen Scottie Scheffler,

724
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: who's kind of more Tiger like. He can work the

725
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: ball everywhere, right, but he can play that cut and

726
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: that final hole with that pin tucked. You kind of

727
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: had to cut it back. It doesn't feel and listen,

728
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 2: Rory is an all time great player and he's kicking

729
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: ass right now and you always say like it kind

730
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: of sucks. We're hard on it. He finished second. You know,

731
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: every single person's beside Wyndam Clark would have taken his spot.

732
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel like he can work that baby cut.

733
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 2: And in these big tournaments, it feels like it's hard

734
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: for him to get super close on some of these

735
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: holes because he doesn't really have that shot. We're confident

736
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: in that shot and maybe as fatigue goes, like I

737
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: viewed that, it's like that's a problem for him. Is

738
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: that fair?

739
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the wedge has have in general been a problem

740
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: for him. A look at fourteen, where I think the

741
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: tournament was both one by Wyndham Clark with that, you know,

742
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: a great shot in on his second it was able too,

743
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: but for.

744
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: Ok and stupid good by Wyndham Clark was really really good.

745
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean it hit it exactly and eight yards to

746
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: hit it into that spoty, he absolutely nailed it. Uh

747
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: that said Rory, I know that it got a lot

748
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: of attention that Rory hit that shot it embedded into

749
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: the face of the bunker. People who don't know golf

750
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: are like, no com he gets to drop it over there. Well,

751
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: because it wasn't in the hazard, it was embedded, he

752
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: gets to drop outside the hazard. Uh, and Rory I

753
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: almost get the sense like Rory felt a little guilty,

754
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: like he knew he was getting like a favorable ruling,

755
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: not a bad ruling, but favorable, and like didn't feel

756
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: like he deserved to like give it a good run

757
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: for Bernie and hit it twelve feet past and missed it.

758
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but my initial

759
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: point is, well, you know what, if you hit the

760
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: ball on the green with your wedge, it doesn't get

761
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: embedded anywhere. So why don't you just take a wedge

762
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: from one to twenty out, one twenty five out hit

763
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: it on the green. You're Rory freaking McElroy, Like you

764
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: and I would hit a wedge onto the green from

765
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: that far away. I know, we like look at this

766
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: stuff like, h well, you've tucked pin and you know

767
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: greens are hard. This we could hit a wedge onto

768
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: a green. I mean, we can all do that. The

769
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: fact that Rory McElroy tried to get too cute and

770
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: came up short with it, Like, you can't do that

771
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: if you're trying to win a major championship down the

772
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: stretch he looked. It also looked to me different scenario, John.

773
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: But last year at the Open Championship, Okay, he had

774
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: the lead, he was playing maybe a little too much defense,

775
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: a little too conservatively, and then got passed by Cam Smith.

776
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: But that was the exact same round. It was, I'm

777
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna nut the ball off the tee, I'm gonna hit

778
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: every approach shot to thirty or forty feet, and then

779
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss every long button, lag it down there

780
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: and tap in for par. And you can't do that

781
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: anymore unless maybe Oakmont couple of years would they host

782
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: the US Open. That might work there, But for the

783
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: most part most US Open venues, you cannot play conservative

784
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday and just try to make a whole bunch

785
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: of pars and win that golf tournament doesn't work.

786
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: Well if we just pull up a scorecard eight to

787
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: nine or just two pars. That was I mean, he

788
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: could have easily he three putted on eight, right. I

789
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: know he was a little off the green, but he wasn't.

790
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he left it way short with his first

791
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 2: putt on eight, and then on nine he knocks his stiff.

792
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: I went to the bathroom and I came out and

793
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: I look at the leaderboard and says nine. So he

794
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: had clearly already putted, and then he wasn't even close,

795
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: so he had back to back holes where and wind

796
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: him on eight At one point it looks like god

797
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: it could he double or triple this hole somehow makes

798
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: a bogie, but he only gained one shot on that hole.

799
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: We focus on the end. His driver was getting a

800
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: little squirrely. I mean Rory yanked it way left, not

801
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: way left, but on fourteen he was in the rough,

802
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: and then on seventeen got a little lucky, yanked it

803
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: so far that he was on the other fairway.

804
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. And look he drove

805
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: it well like strokes problem like third for the week.

806
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I think he was right up there. So you know,

807
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get on Rory too much for fighten driver.

808
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: And Rory actually said at the beginning of the week

809
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: he was watching YouTube videos of himself, which, by the way,

810
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: if you want to know where Rory's head is at

811
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: going into the US Open. He's watching YouTube videos of

812
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: himself winning major championships in the past. I can't even

813
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: imagine how you psychoanalyze a guy who's doing that going

814
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: into a major. Like, in fairness, it kind of worked.

815
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: In fairness, it worked.

816
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: He was good.

817
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I don't know, But that's boy. You're

818
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: you're chasing something that's like me or you going like, man,

819
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: the best round I ever shot. Imagine you have video

820
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: of the best round you ever played, and before every

821
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: time you play, you watch that video. Yeah, okay, maybe

822
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: it psyches you up to like go play better, but

823
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: it also might be like, I can't, dude, this is impossible.

824
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Like the way I played that day was great. I'll

825
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: never play that way again. And all of a sudden,

826
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: you're just trying to chase it and so it's not

827
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: working for you. So in any case, look again, and

828
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: you said it before, and I say it all the time.

829
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: For us to sit here and criticize the guy who

830
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: came in second place isn't totally fair. I mean criticized

831
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: Scottie Scheffler more because he came in third place, and

832
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Ricky Fowler because he came in fifth place, and Justin

833
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: Thomas who shot eighty one when nobody was in the

834
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: eighties at all, and you criticize him more because he

835
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: was even further away from everything. So I do think

836
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: that Rory gets a little too much criticism, too much,

837
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: too many eyeballs looking at him. That said, the other

838
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: part of this, you know, not just having failed to

839
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: win a major in nine years now, but look at

840
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: where Rory's done the last three Sundays at the Memorial

841
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: tiede from the lead going into Sunday, doesn't play well,

842
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: He's not even close. At the end Canadian Open, He's

843
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: right there going into Sunday, He's the cream of the crop,

844
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: and he doesn't win that one. Nick Taylor goes out

845
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: and beats Tommy Fleewood in the playoff. Then this past

846
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: week's same thing, and Windham Clark again, a guy who's

847
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: not really seasoned major championships goes out and beats him.

848
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's three in a row now where Rory

849
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: had a chance. I mean we could legitimately be sitting

850
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: here saying, like, holy cow, Rory's the best, best in

851
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: the game, best in a long time. Wins all three

852
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: of those sweeps him and those Sundays just weren't good enough.

853
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like over the last twelve months he

854
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: could have gone on a Tiger like run with I

855
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: mean definitely two majors, right, and that to put him

856
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: with six. And we start talking about him like, you know,

857
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: in the categories of the Gary play, like where is

858
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: he headed? Is this a guy that's headed for ten?

859
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: And now every time you get your hopes up. I mean,

860
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: we didn't really even hammer him that much going into

861
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: this tournament. I was like, I don't know if I've

862
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: been on him. And then you watch him like he

863
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: has every bit of a chance, but then he loses.

864
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: You're just like, I don't know, how's he gonna do this?

865
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: But it's not a failure. It's not like he's justin

866
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: Thomas shooting eighty one, right. He is kicking ass. It's

867
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: it's a weird. He's held to the standard of my

868
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: home Steph Curry, right, and that's because how talented he is.

869
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: Of course, you look at Rory McElroy.

870
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: You go, like everyone thinks that everyone who's played golf

871
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: watches Rory and they go, if I was Rory McLaury,

872
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: I'd win this thing. By six, like it looks easy.

873
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: That was not winning, and so we feel like he

874
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: should win more often. I understand that notion. I understand

875
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: that when you come close and you don't win, your

876
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: subject to all that criticism. I think Rory understands it himself. Again,

877
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna beat That one's got to hurt.

878
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: That one might sting a little more other than the

879
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: situation like last year Open Championship, one hundred and fiftieth

880
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: Open ever, historic repercussions playing trying to beat Cam Smith,

881
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: who's about to leave for Live, Like there's a lot

882
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: going on in that moment, this one not so much.

883
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: But at least in that one, he got run down

884
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: by a world class player. And that's not to besmirch

885
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark at all. Wyndham Clark's a really good player.

886
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: But look when when you're getting beat by a guy

887
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: who's never been in that situation before. And we talked

888
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: about experience mattering so much at major championships, Rory's got

889
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: to be sitting there right now going like how what

890
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: like what am I supposed to do? Now? I've tried

891
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: everything and it's just nothing's working.

892
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: Totally agree, I mean camp Smith feels like a lock

893
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: if he cares at all to win another major, right,

894
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: I mean, just look how good how Willie Putts. I

895
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: mean I actually felt pretty good. I had a pretty

896
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: substantial wager on him, Like I like bet and I

897
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: know he you know, fell short because he didn't play well,

898
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: but I feel good betting on him, like you watched him,

899
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: Like this guy can birdy any hole at any moment.

900
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: It's a it's a good feeling.

901
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: I like it. So I was sitting next to my

902
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: buddy Ben Everel from Golf Bett, who I do a

903
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: podcast with as well, and we're watching cam Smith pretty closely.

904
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: He's an Australian. He knows and likes Scam a lot.

905
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I had, like you, was some stantial bet on Cam

906
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: He was my favorite guy going into last week. If

907
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: that was a five round tournament, if they were playing

908
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: ninety holes, I'm not so sure Cam Smith doesn't chase

909
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: somebody down on Monday Monday afternoon and you know, I'm

910
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: just golfing. They're like, hey, it's US Open, it's big event,

911
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: and said playing four rounds, we're gonna play five. He

912
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: might have wound up with the trophy at the end

913
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: of it.

914
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Ricky, I think you could easily take

915
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: both sides right. That's a gut punch. Sunday brow Willie

916
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: played or how cool did to see a guy resurrect

917
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: his career easily could have left play an awesome golf

918
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Sunday wasn't what he wanted, But like, if you were

919
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: just betting on him like a stock for the future,

920
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: it feels like he's trending in the right direction.

921
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: What side would you take? I think more positives than negatives.

922
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: And I try to say this every time we talk

923
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: about especially guys who contend from major championships, really guys

924
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: who contend for any event, that yeah, Okay, it's gonna sting,

925
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna leave a mark, and you're gonna be discouraged afterwards.

926
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: But it's still better than finishing in forty third place.

927
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: It just is. And being in the heat of the

928
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: battle is a good thing for Ricky. I spoke with him,

929
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: interviewed him after the round, the final round on Sunday,

930
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: and he was a little despondent. I mean, this one's

931
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: gonna hurt for a little while, because he thought he

932
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: had a great chance to finally pick one off he

933
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: was so comfortable, told me like after each of the

934
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: first three rounds how comfortable he was on that golf course.

935
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: He said it was the most comfortable he's felt in

936
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: a major or non major in a very long time.

937
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: And so I do think he's very much trending in

938
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: the right direction. He was trending in the right direction

939
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: even before last week. Now has eight top twenty finishes

940
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: in his last nine starts, lays some great golf right now.

941
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: He's playing like a top fifteen type player in the world.

942
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: So good things are gonna come for Ricky. I do

943
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: think at some point before too long he's gonna win one,

944
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: but that one's still gonna sting a little bit. I

945
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: think that Ricky went into that final round thinking like,

946
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: all right, this is mine, I'm gonna go get it,

947
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: and he just never had it happened for him.

948
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: You know, I don't get as obsessed talking about the

949
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup in the middle of summer, because like, once

950
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: the event comes, it's cool. But I like it more

951
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: just kind of rate ranking our guys, and it's pretty clear,

952
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 2: like Ricky and Wyndham. Listen, there's two guys justin Thomas

953
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: shot eighty one and Max Homer who earlier in this season,

954
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: it was like, this guy looks like he's headed. He

955
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: was already a name because of how popular he is

956
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: on social media and stuff, but he was playing really,

957
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: really good golf. Has someone with some money on him?

958
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: Like watching him on Friday, I was like, gee, what

959
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: is going on here? Both those guys, I mean, have

960
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: they been? Is Justin Thomas a lock to be on

961
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup because of previous history and his homeless

962
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: spot now in somewhat jeopardy with some of these guys coming.

963
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: I think JT's probably okay unless this continues for a

964
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: few more months. I mean, if JT goes back to like, yeah,

965
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: I starting to play better. Got Look Billy Horsel shot

966
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: eighty four in the first round of the Memorial Tournament

967
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, so since then he's actually posted some

968
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: good scores and he's got bad. These guys turn things

969
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: around very quickly. I can't imagine that Justin Thomas is

970
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: going to go to TBC River Highlands for the Travelers

971
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: this week and shoot eighty one eighty one and continue

972
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: struggling to break eighty. I think that was more of

973
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: an outlier. It just he said he was playing well

974
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: going into it and said he prepped well, it just

975
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: didn't happen. He was embarrassed by it. He's outside the

976
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: top seventy as of right now, would not make the playoffs.

977
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: That's big because it means he might not get into

978
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: the designated events next year unless he goes out and

979
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: does something special. So I know he's going to try

980
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: to step on it coming down the stretcher of the summer,

981
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: and I do think that he'll start playing some better golf.

982
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: JT plays. He plays pretty well when he gets angry,

983
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: and I think he's angry at himself right now, so

984
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: I can see him playing well, maybe not this week,

985
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: but coming up at some point in the not too

986
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: distant future. I still think, look the guys that are

987
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: running this team. Zack Johnson's the captain. He's got Stricker

988
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: and Furick and Freddy and the same cast and crew.

989
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: These guys are going to They're gonna go with the

990
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: guys that they know they're gonna go with. Hey, here's

991
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: the guys that have won it for us in the past.

992
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: Here's the guys that have been on the team. I

993
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: would think Max holme Is still has a great Sharlock.

994
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: Max Olman is still playing good golf, doesn't play well

995
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: at majors. This Major meant so much to him. I

996
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: thought he puts so much internal pressure on himself to

997
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: go play well in his hometown that I always thought

998
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: that it might not be the best fit for home.

999
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Of this past week, I think he's on the team.

1000
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: If I'm Cameron Young, that's the guy that's like I

1001
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: was a lock three months ago and now I'm absolutely

1002
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. Sam Burn's probably gonna be

1003
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: looking at like I thought it'd be pretty good. I

1004
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: won the match play. It's usually a good barometer of,

1005
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, playing against one other player in a Ryder

1006
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Cup situation. Yet he's the kind of guy that Wyndham

1007
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: Clark starts playing better, Ricky Fowler starts playing better, that

1008
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: he's got to be thinking about his thought.

1009
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: Is Clark not a Locke?

1010
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm saying I do think Clark's a lot. Yeah,

1011
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Is nicky, But Clark starts pushing

1012
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: other guys down. Ricky probably not a lock yet. But

1013
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: I have a tough time gauging Ricky's popularity. I will

1014
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: say earlier in his career when it was like it

1015
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: could be Ricky could be this guy, It's like, hey, guys,

1016
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: why don't you go with Ricky? I think that would

1017
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: be good just to get more people watching and interested.

1018
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that really matters or not for

1019
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: a Ryder Cup. I think you're either going to watch

1020
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: or not watch anyway, unless the guy's name is Tiger

1021
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: that you're putting on the team. But I do think

1022
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Ricky's got a great shot at it. I mean, you

1023
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: have to go through the I think they are fourteen

1024
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: guys right now that I have a legit chance of

1025
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: those twelve spots unlessa Chekan Bradley or somebody like that

1026
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: gets hot as well, which can certainly happen over the

1027
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: next two to three months. But as of right now,

1028
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: those top fourteen two are going to be outside on

1029
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I think Cameron Young is certainly

1030
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: one of those right now who's probably can't put him

1031
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: on the team unless he starts playing better. Dustin Johnson,

1032
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't know he's really good. He's played on a

1033
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: ton of these teams. He's played well. I don't know

1034
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: what you do with them.

1035
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll get you out here. On this you pick

1036
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: can't Ley. We refuse to even talk about or bet

1037
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: On Patrick Can'tley on the show, but could just just

1038
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: give me, give me a name or to maybe forty

1039
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: plus and on to one this week because a good

1040
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: one to kind of take, not in a long long shot,

1041
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: but someone you know, some taste the odds.

1042
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a bad feeling about this one. So

1043
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: in the past, I mean we've had the Ken Dukes,

1044
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: the JJ Henrys and the chez Reeves and Freddy Yakubson.

1045
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: I mean in the past, this is like a good

1046
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: chance to go after a long shot since all the

1047
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: big guys have started showing up last three years. DJ

1048
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: Harris English was playing like a long gater when he won,

1049
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: and Xander last year. You're not getting those long shots

1050
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: and I Can't Lay is my favorite outright. I got

1051
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: a beat feeling that Scotty Scheffler learns how to pudd

1052
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: a little bit this week and wins by four. I mean,

1053
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very good golf course for Scottie

1054
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: Scheffler and he's been knocking on that door. Three straight

1055
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: top threes, five straight top fives, seventeen straight top twelves,

1056
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: he's the biggest lock in the game right now to

1057
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: do something good. At some point he's gonna break through

1058
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: for that next victory.

1059
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: What are his odds this week? Like two to one.

1060
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: Plus six fifty. I mean it should be I wouldn't

1061
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: ten odds, should be like minus ten thousand. I mean,

1062
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: you can't, like the books can't offer anything good for

1063
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: a Scottie Scheffler Top ten whatsoever? A couple of names though,

1064
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: if you're looking to chase it a little bit. Russell

1065
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: Henley playing some really nice golf right now. It's weird.

1066
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 1: He's like underrated, Like we don't talk about him at all,

1067
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: and yet he's over valued in the marketplace. Like his

1068
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: number is not nearly as good enough to take this week,

1069
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: he's thirty five to one plus thirty five hundred plus

1070
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: four thousand depending on the book. It's not a great

1071
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: number for Henley. Don't win that much, but I do

1072
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: like him a lot. Harris English, who of course won

1073
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: two years ago. Danny McCarthy, we saw him a few

1074
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: weeks the Memorial a few weeks ago the Memorial Tournament.

1075
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: He's eighty to one. I like that number, and I'll

1076
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: throw Shane Lowry and Keegan Bradley I have little parts

1077
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: of as well this week. Just guys. Guys have some

1078
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: win equity with some big numbers next to their names

1079
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: that could play well there.

1080
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: Well, you don't actually give a shit because you're going

1081
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: to marry and tomorrow, so enjoy your life and go

1082
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: low baby.

1083
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: That was the That was the way of my my

1084
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: buddy get me to go play his member guest up

1085
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: in Philly. He goes, well, we can go out and

1086
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: play Mary on Wednesday if that sweetens the pot for you.

1087
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll do it.

1088
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm in see you honey later.

1089
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Speaker 1: Exactly the volume