Speaker 1: It's to fifteen am at a Serbian nightclub and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call,
Speaker 1: a call in show about our dystopian reality. My name
Speaker 1: is Emily Ashida. I am on the line with Molly
Speaker 1: Lambert and Tess Lynch. Later on we're gonna be joined
Speaker 1: by Joan Ford to talk about Halloween Fall and uh
Speaker 1: why fall starts on July five, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: We had a night call we want to kick things
Speaker 1: off with. We have been talking actually now for the
Speaker 1: past few weeks about AI about their consciousness slash lack
Speaker 1: of consciousness and the possibility of it ever existing. So
Speaker 1: we got a fun little call about that high night call. Uh,
Speaker 1: first time caller from Kentucky. Um. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: throw in with that when you were talking about AI
Speaker 1: and h the idea of making it self conscious, um,
Speaker 1: and then somebody's bringing up making the AI is like
Speaker 1: democratic or whatever or have to come to consensus, and
Speaker 1: it just made me think of um Evan Gillian and
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, the supercomputers and that show, they
Speaker 1: have three of them and they have to come to
Speaker 1: like a consensus before they act or follow orders. Or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I think there are times throughout the show that
Speaker 1: the computers actually like don't necessarily do what they want
Speaker 1: because the decision the computers come to might be like
Speaker 1: you know, differently aligned are intended than like the initial
Speaker 1: order that the people operating like put in or whatever.
Speaker 1: But anyway, left the part test, have a great day.
Speaker 1: Thanks by thank you for the call, Thanks for bringing
Speaker 1: Eva into it. Uh yeah, do you guys want to
Speaker 1: hear about the Maggi system. Let's let's default to evan
Speaker 1: Galian expert um. So it's such a it's such a
Speaker 1: wild idea, and I think maybe subconsciously I was thinking
Speaker 1: of this when I talked about like the AI coming
Speaker 1: to a consensus, because in the show there's the system
Speaker 1: is called the Maggi system, and so they have it
Speaker 1: for this the the center, the main base that most
Speaker 1: of the stuff in the show takes place. And like
Speaker 1: you would think, okay, so they made like three supercomputers
Speaker 1: and they like you know, they're basically like setting up
Speaker 1: for like a fail safe in case one of the
Speaker 1: supercomputers goes wonky or whatever. So you have to have
Speaker 1: this consensus between the three of them about any decisions
Speaker 1: that I mean it's basically this thing that replaces like
Speaker 1: a congress for this, um, this sort of militarized sub community. Uh.
Speaker 1: But the this is the thing that's like silly about
Speaker 1: it is that the computers are have been uploaded with
Speaker 1: the personality of one woman, just three different facets of
Speaker 1: her personality. Um, it's like one of the character's moms
Speaker 1: and um one is her as a scientist, one is
Speaker 1: her as a mother, and one is her as a woman.
Speaker 1: And so all of the decisions from this like military
Speaker 1: organization are made by the scientists, the mother and the
Speaker 1: woman of Dr Naoko Akagi. Uh. And it's yeah, I
Speaker 1: gets tacked at one point. It's a pretty good episode. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just very it's it's sort of funny. It's like
Speaker 1: it's one of these things that like you're you're with
Speaker 1: it as like a sci fi like a just pure
Speaker 1: like hard sci fi concept until you're like wait, what
Speaker 1: why would they let anybody do that? And also like
Speaker 1: it's again and like the reason this doesn't exist in
Speaker 1: real life is like it depends on this technology that
Speaker 1: we don't have and that I don't think we'll ever
Speaker 1: have where you can like sync with the machine and
Speaker 1: like imprint your personality on it. Um. So wait, the
Speaker 1: in the in the wiki that you sent us for this,
Speaker 1: there are also there are different branches that also have
Speaker 1: the trios of Maggie computers too. Yeah, so every every
Speaker 1: all these different bases have their their system, their trio
Speaker 1: of computer. So it's the same principle, but they could
Speaker 1: be imprinted with different personalities. We don't know necessarily. Um,
Speaker 1: this has become the podcast for Emily just explains up
Speaker 1: in Gillian, No, that is a different podcast that I
Speaker 1: need to get paid money for. But yeah, I yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a funny it's a funny AI idea. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like a I like to just be a connoisseur
Speaker 1: of AI ideas in science fiction, even if they're completely
Speaker 1: not like practical or um feasible at all. Did you
Speaker 1: guys ever watch the show Out of This World? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a sitcom from the eighties where a girl's
Speaker 1: dead father I believe, was in like a crystal Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it her father. It was that show was
Speaker 1: crazy Town, it was the Advice Yeah, you know, there
Speaker 1: were just like a lot of weird, high concept sitcoms. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cocaine era um, but she was an alien in
Speaker 1: that one. She was an alien, but she communicated with
Speaker 1: her father through like a crystal. Wow. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like it was I'm looking it up right now. It
Speaker 1: was the NBC Prime Time. There were a lot of
Speaker 1: sitcoms that have plot lines that sound like anime. There's
Speaker 1: also Small Wonder, which is like small Under a total animal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to just to be the clarifier on Out of
Speaker 1: This World, it was a girl named Evie who discovers
Speaker 1: on her thirteenth birthday that her father Troy, is an alien.
Speaker 1: I'm reading this from Wikipedia. From the planet on Tara's
Speaker 1: Prime in the Scorpio galaxy. Her half alien heritage gives
Speaker 1: her superhuman abilities. Blah blah blah. Anyway, Yeah, her name
Speaker 1: is Evie, Evie, I know Evan Gillian. The cover rut
Speaker 1: on the IMDb page looks so Jan kiet I watched
Speaker 1: the Ship Out of That shows a good show. Well
Speaker 1: for Reynolds is on it way, speaking of um parental conflicts, yes, um,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to bring to the night called Table
Speaker 1: to the Red Table talk the story of Jordan's Peterson
Speaker 1: and his daughter Thatchayla Peterson. MICHAELA. Peterson, which has been
Speaker 1: an ongoing saga for the last year, but new new
Speaker 1: stuff has happened. Um. Jordan Peterson is a Canadian evo
Speaker 1: psych dark web intellectual guys on like the faculty at
Speaker 1: the University of Toronto. I'm not sure he don't think
Speaker 1: leave now that he's in a coma or whatever. We'll
Speaker 1: get to that. So Jordan Peterson, Um, he sucks. He
Speaker 1: sucks as an author, but he got kind of popular
Speaker 1: because along with a bunch of these other kind of
Speaker 1: you know, hyper masculine grifter men who were just like,
Speaker 1: here's how you conquer society by becoming powerful. He's like
Speaker 1: this guy who really has like clung to this idea
Speaker 1: of the masculine is being order and the feminine is
Speaker 1: being ka like inherently chaotic, which is just like a
Speaker 1: really really rickety road to go down. Uh. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he trips over lots of stupid ideas on his way
Speaker 1: down that road. But a lot of people like just
Speaker 1: listening to somebody who's like, I know everything, here's everything. Um,
Speaker 1: because he doesn't come off as crazy. That's the thing
Speaker 1: about him. Well, that's the intellectual dark web thing. It's
Speaker 1: like you're saying fucked up ship, but you're saying it
Speaker 1: in a suit. So he's like he sounds like a professor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's like a transpobe. He is just like a misogynist.
Speaker 1: He generally just kind of sucks. He he got in
Speaker 1: big trouble, Like I remember, I first became aware of
Speaker 1: him because he was really insistently refusing to use people's
Speaker 1: correct pronouns and there was a big kind of dust
Speaker 1: up over that. That's when I first heard of him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's like a contrarian. Uh and and now
Speaker 1: he is trapped in a really very strange situation. So
Speaker 1: let's a woman no less So, So last fall, I
Speaker 1: think the last time he did like a public event
Speaker 1: was last fall, he did like a town hall with
Speaker 1: Zizek Slabek in Um, Canada. After that, he had some
Speaker 1: kind of an injury that he got put on benzos
Speaker 1: for the injury. Then he got addicted to benzos, and
Speaker 1: then he was in a treatment center for the benzos
Speaker 1: that it turned out was in Russia, um and that
Speaker 1: his daughter had taken him there. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: his daughter. Let's talk about MICHAELA. Peterson. So MICHAELA. Peterson
Speaker 1: was apparently the first of them to get on this
Speaker 1: all meat diet thing. Is that correct? Like she was
Speaker 1: the initiator of this. Yeah, I think the all meat
Speaker 1: diet is her thing. She claims that she had been
Speaker 1: plagued by a lot of different health problems, starting in
Speaker 1: child to rheumatoid arthritis, and that her unorthodox approach to
Speaker 1: fixing those things was to only eat meat, salt, and water.
Speaker 1: I think at one point, I think there's some leeway,
Speaker 1: like people have made allusions to a vegetable here or there.
Speaker 1: But she claimed that when she started the all meat diet,
Speaker 1: all of her problems miraculously disappeared, all of her health issues. Sure,
Speaker 1: and then she put out a book with her dad
Speaker 1: where she's wearing a bikini on the front and he's
Speaker 1: like looks much smaller than hers, like half the size,
Speaker 1: and it's like this very it looks like a shitty
Speaker 1: phone pick that was taken without him knowing and maybe
Speaker 1: like with the zoom on, so it's really blurry, and
Speaker 1: he just looks sad and he's in a towel and
Speaker 1: he's like half her size. Um, it's pretty incredible. Some
Speaker 1: people in the comments on this thread that was done
Speaker 1: by at Rational disc Rational Disconnect on on Twitter. They
Speaker 1: were like, that's a fake cover, right, like that's a groof,
Speaker 1: But no, that's apparently the actual design. That's a real cover.
Speaker 1: And then I looked a little bit at some of
Speaker 1: her photos because people would be like, you must have
Speaker 1: scurvy from not eating any vegetables, and she'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, check it out. My body's falling apart from scurvy,
Speaker 1: and it'll just be like a hot So this thread
Speaker 1: by rational discs Um alerted us to some new developments
Speaker 1: in the Jordan Peterson saga, which are that apparently the
Speaker 1: cold Turkey Benzo withdrawal thing that Jordan Peterson went to
Speaker 1: Russia to do was suggested by his daughter's boyfriend, who
Speaker 1: is a Russian guy that I think he's a Russian
Speaker 1: guy that she met who is a Stalinist and believes
Speaker 1: he's been possessed by a demon also named Igor. Yeah. Important,
Speaker 1: So that guy apparently said, you know, we have to
Speaker 1: go to Russia to do this treatment that they won't
Speaker 1: do in America because it's too state of the art.
Speaker 1: Turns out that treatment was our favorite thing from Valley
Speaker 1: of the Dolls, the medically medically induced coma, which was
Speaker 1: like medically induced. Wait, the benzos didn't have anything to
Speaker 1: do with the coma. The coma was to get you
Speaker 1: off the benzos, and they put you in a coma
Speaker 1: and then you withdraw. But you're in a coma while
Speaker 1: you withdraw, so you don't like feel the effects. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then when he came out of the coma, there was
Speaker 1: a rumor that maybe he had some brain damage from
Speaker 1: being put into a coma. Yeah, being put into a
Speaker 1: coma at a Russian clinic that's doing a procedure that
Speaker 1: apparently they're not allowed to do in the US. I
Speaker 1: can see how you could come out of that with
Speaker 1: a little bit of brain damage. Um. So now the
Speaker 1: Peterson's are in Serbia where the Michaela is living it
Speaker 1: up clubs. She's like, she has a new man in
Speaker 1: her life. Yeah, so Michaela had a baby with the
Speaker 1: guy possessed by Igor, but now she's dating a different guy.
Speaker 1: I think a Serbian guy who I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it was this guy or the Russian guy that people
Speaker 1: were like, I think he's a human trafficker. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: seems like a legitimate sociopath. Um, what's his name? Andrew
Speaker 1: Tate the it's on the thread. It describes him as
Speaker 1: a misogynist, pickup artist and webcamp pimp who runs a
Speaker 1: scam website and thinks that quote depression doesn't exist. So
Speaker 1: these are people that are all kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: it follows logic that they all ended up in the
Speaker 1: same time. Yeah, I can see what they're sitting around
Speaker 1: talking about for sure. Who scams the scammers? Is the
Speaker 1: question that this answers. Um So, Michaela posted that her father,
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson, now has COVID and that she had had
Speaker 1: it before and so she probably gave it to him
Speaker 1: because that's been going out clubbing with this, but also
Speaker 1: didn't didn't she imply that her daughter got it from
Speaker 1: a playground because there were videos of Michaela like at
Speaker 1: the club with no mass, being like, there's no mass
Speaker 1: at this club. Just how I like it. I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of COVID, and then she was like oops, but
Speaker 1: I think at one point she mentioned that she thought
Speaker 1: her daughter picked it up at a playground after being like,
Speaker 1: We've been careful, which was clearly not true. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then pass it on to Jordan's Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: has been really making a point of like I was
Speaker 1: a little stuffed up, like here's a selfie of me
Speaker 1: when I had corona. I look fine, like this is
Speaker 1: only killing unhealthy people. Oops? Did I say that? Uh?
Speaker 1: That kind of attitude in her post so um yeah,
Speaker 1: super super as I said before we started recording Super
Speaker 1: Team No One here. Yeah. The post that got everybody
Speaker 1: sort of like what about this is that she was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my dad's in a Serbian hospital. He's got coronavi iris.
Speaker 1: Now nobody's seen him in a year. Also, and then
Speaker 1: she was like here I am at the club, and
Speaker 1: then just a video of her clubbing in Serbia at
Speaker 1: a club where they're playing the Manuma song. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: which just it's it would be like perfect if it
Speaker 1: wasn't so horrible. Here's a footnote to this story that
Speaker 1: I enjoyed for it being very bizarre, which is, um.
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson was on a podcast, may have been Joe Rogan,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but he was. He said that he
Speaker 1: had been on the all meat diet and uh that
Speaker 1: it was doing really tremendous things for him, and then
Speaker 1: he he went off the diet like he actually he
Speaker 1: had a glass of um apple cider was what he had,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, apparently I have a sensitivity
Speaker 1: to sell fights, and that's one of the things I've
Speaker 1: learned by doing this diet. So I had a glass
Speaker 1: of apple cider and then he said it sent him
Speaker 1: into the worst panic of his life, like he was
Speaker 1: completely like paralyzed by it. And he said he had
Speaker 1: never felt such a sense of impending doom as after
Speaker 1: he had had the cup of apple cider. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's one of those things from a story
Speaker 1: that like, I know, no matter what I forget in
Speaker 1: my life, I will carry that with me until I die.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he probably just had a panic attack
Speaker 1: because he hadn't had apple cider in so long. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It could be like I I have
Speaker 1: a self fite allergy, um, but it doesn't show up
Speaker 1: like that. But I could also some stuff, yeah, like
Speaker 1: migraines and things like that. But um, I also think
Speaker 1: that if you are on a very very restricted diet
Speaker 1: for an extended period of time, it will really give
Speaker 1: you like a psychological condition where it's fear of food,
Speaker 1: you know, fear of like toxins and stuff. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems like an all meat diet. It's like I think
Speaker 1: we talked maybe we've had a cannibalism discussion on this
Speaker 1: podcast before, but like the um, what's the organism that
Speaker 1: can infect your brain from pons? Like I feel like
Speaker 1: there's there has to be some kind of version, like
Speaker 1: some kind of version of that that happens from just
Speaker 1: adopting carnivorous diet, Like we're not carnivores, like and couse
Speaker 1: playing as a carnivore will not make it. So a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff too seems like also like marketing
Speaker 1: eating disorders to men. Yeah, under a different name. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the Joe Rogan stuff too, that's just
Speaker 1: about like maxing out your capacities for health, but it's
Speaker 1: really like take all these supplements and don't eat real meals. Well.
Speaker 1: She also was like totally scamming on her own too,
Speaker 1: because she was promoting this diet and then like had
Speaker 1: a website where it was the website for the diet
Speaker 1: and you had to pay a membership fee for it,
Speaker 1: but apparently there wasn't anything that you were actually paying for.
Speaker 1: You were just paying to like have access to a
Speaker 1: message board where you could talk to other people who
Speaker 1: are probably melting down from only eating meat group. It
Speaker 1: was like six dollars a year or something. It was
Speaker 1: something like that. So everybody's scamming everybody here. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: the conspiracy about this is that Jordan Peterson himself has
Speaker 1: not really been communicating except through michaela Um. All of
Speaker 1: his missives for the past year or so have come
Speaker 1: through her, and she's like, here's what my dad's up to.
Speaker 1: And for Jordan Peterson, who obviously it was a talkative
Speaker 1: dude before people thought that seemed a little off. She
Speaker 1: released a podcast pretty recently in June that was her
Speaker 1: talking to her dad, where they are shot in a
Speaker 1: way that they're never in frame together. So there's video
Speaker 1: of him. But people are like, you can't tell when
Speaker 1: this video is from. It could really be from any time.
Speaker 1: It could be from twenty nineteen because he doesn't say
Speaker 1: anything specific to the circumstances of now. He talks about
Speaker 1: how he got like sick. But people think maybe that
Speaker 1: she like spliced together old footage with new footage of
Speaker 1: herself to make this podcast to make it seem like
Speaker 1: her father is doing fine. But some people think that
Speaker 1: she's running kind of Somebody said it was like phantom
Speaker 1: thread with um supplements, or it's some kind of like
Speaker 1: um like Munchausen's thing or something. Somebody in the somebody
Speaker 1: in the comments commented about how like this is just
Speaker 1: like a twenty one century Gothic novel, Like it's appointing,
Speaker 1: totally very very goth. Well, somebody also it's like either
Speaker 1: her baby daddy or her boyfriend is in charge of
Speaker 1: the Jordan Peterson Company in some way, like helping to
Speaker 1: run the company. Now, so oh yeah, there's a conspiracy
Speaker 1: that Jordan Peterson is either dead or still in some
Speaker 1: kind of a incapacitated state from being put into a
Speaker 1: medically induced coma and then having COVID. It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you believe it? I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think these people are all such scammers. I can't tell
Speaker 1: if anyone's telling the truth. So these people are like
Speaker 1: living on the fringes of how you should treat your body,
Speaker 1: like both in terms of like like corona and diet
Speaker 1: and everything. Like. I just feel like I have no
Speaker 1: way of knowing whether Jordan Peterson is alive or not,
Speaker 1: because he's like he does is not dealing with a
Speaker 1: set of factors that I have any um experience with
Speaker 1: a relation to him. Um, Like it's it's so out
Speaker 1: of space. I don't know. Um. Here's another question. Do
Speaker 1: you think that Michaela actually only eats meat or do
Speaker 1: you think that she cooked up this idea to sell
Speaker 1: to people, but that that's not something she would even do.
Speaker 1: I think that's very possible because a lot of the
Speaker 1: really strict diet people on YouTube get caught like eating
Speaker 1: like there's a you know, the vegans always get caught
Speaker 1: eating like a cheeseburger. Um, the banana diet lady who's like,
Speaker 1: all you have to eat is bananas? Is she drinking alcohol? Like?
Speaker 1: Was she seen with a drink in her hand? Looked
Speaker 1: like she was drinking alcohol at them? Like smoking cigars?
Speaker 1: Like I I think that the whole thing, the whole
Speaker 1: marketing aspect of the all meat diet is that it
Speaker 1: allows for drinking and smoking cigars because it's like an
Speaker 1: alpha man. It's a power diet. You know, there's those
Speaker 1: carcinogens and whatnot, right, and if you become an alpha male,
Speaker 1: then like you're impervious to things that would affect regular people.
Speaker 1: According to the logic of that, you become like a
Speaker 1: Keith Richard's of meat. Um. Speaking of all this, I
Speaker 1: want I'm curious if any of our listeners have done
Speaker 1: any super super crazy diets like this, and if you have,
Speaker 1: will you please let us know at two, four oh
Speaker 1: four or six night. It also reminds me of when
Speaker 1: people were doing the Atkins diet. Yeah, exactly, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: people got the interpretation of what was Atkins diet is
Speaker 1: so easy, like when when you're like, oh, all meat
Speaker 1: is fine, so have as much meat as possible. Like
Speaker 1: that's not even the same, Like it's so easily uh
Speaker 1: turned into something super super unhealthy, even if the principle
Speaker 1: itself starts off being somewhat sound. Because that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: like people were like, oh, I'm on the Atkins diet,
Speaker 1: so here's my cobb salad with like a pound of
Speaker 1: bacon on it, and like for extent um, no carbs.
Speaker 1: I also think that if you're a contrarian um like
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson's daughter who has who takes after her father,
Speaker 1: seemingly in that way, it's a it's like a political
Speaker 1: thing to recommend that people only eat meat when that's
Speaker 1: clearly terrible for the environment and contentious and anything that
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they're telling you this is bad for you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the truth. It's actually they
Speaker 1: don't want you to have it because it makes you superhuman. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when you are hallucinating or like unable to sleep
Speaker 1: for twenty five days or whatever and triggered by a
Speaker 1: cup of apple cider, it's like, that's because you're on
Speaker 1: a new plane, and that's the way all humans will
Speaker 1: be eventually, something like that's our that's our peak performance level.
Speaker 1: I will say weirdly enough that this story does seem
Speaker 1: to demonstrate some truth to the women are are the
Speaker 1: element of chaos theory? Well, like maybe she just spent
Speaker 1: her life like she grew up having that idea, the ideology,
Speaker 1: if not like directly fed to her, like definitely in
Speaker 1: the air. So it's sort of like if your dad
Speaker 1: has been saying the entire time, you're growing up like
Speaker 1: you are an agent of chaos. Us you got to
Speaker 1: grow up to become an agent of chaos, fulfill it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of amazing that this guy who
Speaker 1: like promoted himself as the you know, the intellectual alpha male,
Speaker 1: has been like outgamed by his daughter, which is very
Speaker 1: like Game of Thrones or something. It's very Shakespearean that
Speaker 1: she's in charge, she's the alpha. Clearly, I think there's
Speaker 1: this unsettling part of this story that's just like we
Speaker 1: don't we have no idea what happened to him, And
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the way a lot of stories
Speaker 1: are right now in the news, Like this is just
Speaker 1: on a more personal level, but there's so much stuff
Speaker 1: where it's like that just went away and we have
Speaker 1: no idea where it was, Like everything happening with the
Speaker 1: with the post Office, it's like there's no longer an
Speaker 1: expectation that will ever know what happened to Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 1: Like this could just be the end he got dissolved
Speaker 1: in something. Are you saying that they're putting the mailboxes
Speaker 1: and a medically induced coma? Essentially, yes, I think we
Speaker 1: all know what's going on here. It's also, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people right now where it they'll have
Speaker 1: some kind of a social media presence, or they'll tweet
Speaker 1: something every once in a while, like the Herman Kine
Speaker 1: thing this week where Herman Kane tweeted from beyond the Grave.
Speaker 1: Um that even if people are like communicating, You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't actually have any idea. Yeah, that turned out
Speaker 1: to be his his daughter, and yeah, the next day
Speaker 1: it was like the Herman Kane Foundation and it was
Speaker 1: like this is Herman Kane's family and will be like
Speaker 1: taking over this account from now on. But they clearly
Speaker 1: did it to be like, you know, they got attention
Speaker 1: to be like boo. Yeah, well we're going to take
Speaker 1: a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a little boo for you because it's Halloween, you guys,
Speaker 1: Halloween United, Spooky Time. Welcome back, Tonight Call. We are
Speaker 1: joined today by a very exciting special guest, Joan Ford.
Speaker 1: Joan Ford is a writer and performer. She has written
Speaker 1: for shows like DC superhero Girls, ThunderCats, Roar, and Yabadabad Dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: She's also half of the comedy duo Red and Yellow
Speaker 1: with Kate Raft and the host of Fall Talk, a
Speaker 1: talk show on Twitch about Fall. Welcome Joan Tonight Call, HIV.
Speaker 1: It's nice, thank you, welcome, Welcome, Happy to be here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and happy Fall, happy Fall. Yes, it's finally here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always here. It's always with us and one another,
Speaker 1: so happy like happy Fall. Well, there was a fire
Speaker 1: that started like what like up north of l A recently,
Speaker 1: so that means it's fall now, right, Oh, fires there's
Speaker 1: an All shapes and sizes are definitely fall. It's like
Speaker 1: a toasty bonfire. Yeah, you know, like a bonfire or
Speaker 1: like a wildfire, both very both have very fall vibes,
Speaker 1: just brown, the color brown. In general, My feeling is
Speaker 1: that there are two summers. There's summer one, which lasts
Speaker 1: until September, and then there's summer too, which should be fall.
Speaker 1: But here it is summer too. So that's the time
Speaker 1: that I start fully dissociating, uh and pretending it's fault.
Speaker 1: But this year things have been so crazy, why not
Speaker 1: just start fall now? That's what I mean. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what I've been I've been saying. That's kind of
Speaker 1: a lot of the show that I've been uh kind
Speaker 1: of doing on Twitch called Fall Talk with Kate raft
Speaker 1: Um now um has kind of all revolved around the
Speaker 1: idea of, yeah, you know, it's it's it could at
Speaker 1: this point, it could. We could be existing in any
Speaker 1: time in any place right now. You can't really tell,
Speaker 1: So like, why not just make it the best season
Speaker 1: of the year all year round, so it's so like
Speaker 1: it's fall right now. Why not I just have like
Speaker 1: I take a kind of um, maybe not aesthetic but
Speaker 1: more just sort of like sensual issue with the Fall
Speaker 1: the early Fall team, because I want to be with
Speaker 1: you guys, but like fall just sounds so dry to
Speaker 1: me right now. Emilie and I are the resident Fall contrarians. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I you know, Kate, when we had Kate on
Speaker 1: the show a while ago, she she made me reconsider
Speaker 1: fall and hearing your excitement, I'm also like I want
Speaker 1: to I want to love fall. Yeah, I I I understand.
Speaker 1: I understand there are like dry, dry elements of fall,
Speaker 1: but I think they're all like so lovely, like like
Speaker 1: when you especially, like you know, I understand that it
Speaker 1: can be had to get in the fall mindset where
Speaker 1: we are, but like I don't know if if any
Speaker 1: of you are East Coasters but or ever were, but
Speaker 1: thinking back to those like, like, is there any like
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything more lovely than like, you know,
Speaker 1: walking through like like you know, a a field of
Speaker 1: like freshly fallen like leaves like crunchy under your feet,
Speaker 1: Like that's just like the best sound and the best
Speaker 1: seiling feeling on like a like nice crisp autumn day
Speaker 1: or crisp autumn afternoon. I just think it's so heavily contextual.
Speaker 1: Like I grew up in Iowa, which has about the
Speaker 1: most classic fall you could ask for, and it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I loved it so much. But I even even knowing
Speaker 1: that that is like a positive. It was my favorite
Speaker 1: season at the time. Also my birthdays and fall, so
Speaker 1: I had positive feelings about fall. But I think in California,
Speaker 1: especially when it's like September in California usually the hottest
Speaker 1: season of the year, the hottest month of the year.
Speaker 1: Even knowing and remembering having that sense memory of fall
Speaker 1: in Iowa, it's still like I can't put the two together.
Speaker 1: I can't. They're like two ends that have like opposite connectors.
Speaker 1: There there are places you can go, there are things
Speaker 1: you can do. Maybe a little harder this year, but
Speaker 1: they're definitely yes, just like you know, on a hole
Speaker 1: on a hole, it may be hard to get to
Speaker 1: like hit that fall mode in um in l A,
Speaker 1: but like, I think they're definitely like l A places
Speaker 1: you can hit up that like will really put you
Speaker 1: in that fall. Yeah, like maybe like like really getting
Speaker 1: to that hardcore fall mode like takes a little more
Speaker 1: work where we are, but I think it's worth it.
Speaker 1: Where do you think we should go to get in
Speaker 1: fall mode? John? Okay? Well, first, like I think like
Speaker 1: the most easiest and most obvious, it's just go to
Speaker 1: go to Target. Go to any Target they have. They
Speaker 1: always have such a like wonderful array of of fall
Speaker 1: items whatever whatever your price budget is, Like you can
Speaker 1: like anything is like small scale as like a like
Speaker 1: ten dollar T shirt with a little ghost on it
Speaker 1: that says like I'm just here for the booze to
Speaker 1: like there and the ghosts is holding like a little
Speaker 1: glass wine by the way, and or like you know,
Speaker 1: you can you can invest in like full fall decor
Speaker 1: for from for your house like so like Target so easy,
Speaker 1: there's probably one near you for like Target is like
Speaker 1: like like start of full headquarters. Um, then you can
Speaker 1: go to what the there's them? You can do this
Speaker 1: like also you can do this twenty four like seven
Speaker 1: five days a year. Hit up the what I call
Speaker 1: the Halloween strip in Burbank. There is a strip of
Speaker 1: like just Halloween or like poor related stores in Burbank,
Speaker 1: which is like my favorite place on Earth. I like
Speaker 1: I see I honestly go to hang out there all
Speaker 1: the time. There's like a strip of like three like
Speaker 1: halloween stores that are owned by the same company. They
Speaker 1: have it's like the Costume Store, the just like Memorabilia
Speaker 1: and decore store, and then there's also like the just
Speaker 1: like four Kids Store. Um. So like honestly like just
Speaker 1: the decor just the Halloween a core store. I think
Speaker 1: they're all called Halloween Town. Go there if you want
Speaker 1: to get it. Like it's it's like it's like your
Speaker 1: dream of what like in a move in a like
Speaker 1: in a Halloween movie or like in the Halloween episode
Speaker 1: of Buffy when it's like we're going to like the
Speaker 1: costume store and it's like very magical and big and
Speaker 1: like they have anything you could want. That's what it
Speaker 1: feels like. And then there's also like, um, what is
Speaker 1: it um mystic um, Oh gosh, what's I'm drawing a
Speaker 1: blank on the name of the store, Mistic Museum, Missic Museum,
Speaker 1: which is also very like witchy and Halloween e. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of other like horror theme stores, so go
Speaker 1: to hit up the It's I think it's on Magnolia,
Speaker 1: hit Up the hit Up, the hit Up the Halloween
Speaker 1: strip in Burbank. Yeah, Burbank is the Halloween capital year
Speaker 1: round of l A. I went to that Halloween store
Speaker 1: that you're talking about for the first time last year,
Speaker 1: and I think I went on a really hot day
Speaker 1: when I was just like I wanted to be fall
Speaker 1: But it's a hundred degrees and when you go in
Speaker 1: that door, it's like the windows are blacked out so
Speaker 1: that when you go in, it's like dark and cool,
Speaker 1: and they're playing Halloween music and there's like horror fog
Speaker 1: and there's a whole fake little graveyard with ghosts hanging
Speaker 1: all over. It was just like the most delightful experience.
Speaker 1: You know. It's where you're gonna go in and start
Speaker 1: your like Halloween adventure. You're gonna get like a book
Speaker 1: or something. You're gonna get a book or a spell
Speaker 1: or something. It's gonna start you on your adventure to
Speaker 1: like I like, you know, savell You're gonna save Halloween.
Speaker 1: That's like where you're the start of your like save
Speaker 1: Halloween from like the Evil Mayor adventure. Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: saving Halloween, this is my concern is that Halloween will
Speaker 1: probably be like canceled. I mean, we we can't even
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we can go to the
Speaker 1: Halloween stores. And I do love Halloween. So how are
Speaker 1: we gonna make How is COVID Halloween gonna go? How
Speaker 1: are we going to make it good? Um? Well, here's
Speaker 1: like something I think something I love about Halloween and
Speaker 1: I think, um actually makes it a very like adaptable
Speaker 1: holiday for the circumstances we're in right now. Is that
Speaker 1: I feel that like Halloween, I feel Halloween is the
Speaker 1: most like adaptable holiday. There is no like wrong way
Speaker 1: to do Halloween. It's not like I feel like every
Speaker 1: other holiday like has these like kind of like requirements,
Speaker 1: these like requirements that are thrust upon you, whether it's
Speaker 1: like you have to be with family for like the
Speaker 1: winter holidays or Thanksgiving, or or you have to travel
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, I feel like Halloween can really be
Speaker 1: whatever your heart wants it to be, whether and like
Speaker 1: like your Halloween, which is like, hey, I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm gonna have like a like a
Speaker 1: cider party in my backyard. We're gonna like drink side,
Speaker 1: We're gonna drink hot cider. And just like like you
Speaker 1: know and like bond around a bond around a bonfire
Speaker 1: or like if if you want haveing like a really
Speaker 1: like grizzly gnarly like you know, gore Field horror. Halloween
Speaker 1: going to like the universal parks like like or or
Speaker 1: not scary farm or whatever they're all that. It's like,
Speaker 1: are you adaptable? Halloween can be whatever you wanted to be,
Speaker 1: So I I trust and have faith that you know
Speaker 1: what we will as Halloweens always adaptable. Halloween can be
Speaker 1: whatever you're the Halloween your heart is. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's why Halloween is going to be like the perfect
Speaker 1: COVID holiday. It will adapt, It will survive and thrive
Speaker 1: and will like find new like awesome Halloween traditions. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that because Halloween is the scary holiday,
Speaker 1: but it's also escapism and the world is so scary
Speaker 1: right now that people do need that escapism more than ever, um,
Speaker 1: just to stay sane. I feel like Halloween is very
Speaker 1: adaptable and that the thing people like the most about
Speaker 1: Halloween actually is just like sitting at home and watching
Speaker 1: horror movies, which you can really do starting now. Also costumes,
Speaker 1: but costumes like um, that you can kind of get
Speaker 1: away with more, maybe with a costume that people are
Speaker 1: only going to see on zoom. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to have the back part done well.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Joan, actually, because you are
Speaker 1: also an amazing cos player, um A casual cost player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Casual yes, like not like that you do it casually,
Speaker 1: but that your outfits are often like casual interpretations. Yes,
Speaker 1: I love the casual label. And then to this, I
Speaker 1: think this is my fashion philosophy in general, but I
Speaker 1: want to hear like how you approach it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have seen you do. I believe you did a Freddy
Speaker 1: Krueger last year, like a cutie Freddy Krueger outfit. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like I just kind of like combined like
Speaker 1: hot topic, had like a like a Freddy Krueger um
Speaker 1: like skater dress that I just like combined with like
Speaker 1: you know, I got like the gloves and I got
Speaker 1: and I found like a like a like a it's
Speaker 1: not like the exact like Freddy Fedora, but it was
Speaker 1: like a black one that a cute black one that
Speaker 1: matched the dress. So like I just put that so
Speaker 1: like I put all those things together. It was very
Speaker 1: cute and very fun. Yeah, yes, that's that's brilliant. I
Speaker 1: love it. I was wondering if there's any cosplaying you're
Speaker 1: planning to do for this hell we oh I okay. So,
Speaker 1: I like, I do have this idea that I've had
Speaker 1: kind of had for a year that I didn't pull
Speaker 1: the sugar in last year, but I considered it this
Speaker 1: year is UM, I have a UM. I have like
Speaker 1: a like a jumpsuit, like a navy jumpsuit women's jumpsuit
Speaker 1: that I bought from UM like H and M a
Speaker 1: year ago, and it like it's a very it looks
Speaker 1: like a very like kind of like feminized version of
Speaker 1: like the Michael Myers like jump jumpsuit. So I was
Speaker 1: thinking about doing like almost like I mean, thinking of
Speaker 1: her as like kind of like power like business like
Speaker 1: business lady Michael Myers, where like I'm gonna have like
Speaker 1: the jumpsuit and like maybe like you know, briefcase and
Speaker 1: um and like knife exactly Michael Myers leaning in frum
Speaker 1: the jumpsuit era like jumpsuit feminist exactly jumpson. I love
Speaker 1: that jumpsuit feminist my liars um and do but do
Speaker 1: UM as opposed to doing the mask like kind of
Speaker 1: like suggest the masks through like makeup like with probably
Speaker 1: like you know a dark um like a dark eye
Speaker 1: that kind of like fades into like a like a
Speaker 1: white like a whiter ring around them. Oh I love this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I because I am also a year round Halloween person.
Speaker 1: I think also in California, those of us who are
Speaker 1: into fall, it doesn't come with like the actual dread
Speaker 1: of winter that real fall comes with other places. Um,
Speaker 1: we just like to do it year round. I think
Speaker 1: the biggest I mean it also doesn't have I think
Speaker 1: the positive aspects of fall, which is actually cools down.
Speaker 1: Which is the greatest thing about fall on the East
Speaker 1: Coast or in the Midwest is that you're like, oh
Speaker 1: I don't have to like use the a C anymore
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's a very big um. That's like a
Speaker 1: wonderful body feeling like that's like that's where the fall
Speaker 1: guy comes from. I think when we had Kate raft
Speaker 1: On last year to talk about fall um, which we
Speaker 1: now this is our new yearly tradition, is how Joan,
Speaker 1: Joan and Kate on for Fall pod, I realized, like
Speaker 1: how many of the fall people I know are from
Speaker 1: places that don't really have fall, and that how much
Speaker 1: of it is sort of disassociating your way through fire season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is probably a little bit of like a like
Speaker 1: a you know, brain worms being like I'm going to
Speaker 1: like like, I'm going to make it this thing. I'm
Speaker 1: going to force it to be this thing that it's
Speaker 1: not that I like, I used to love and have
Speaker 1: very positive associations with. But you know what a reality.
Speaker 1: Our reality is what it's what we make at. So
Speaker 1: if my reality's fall, I'm going to force it to
Speaker 1: be fall staring at a burning hillside being like so cozy.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I'll be in Griffith Park and I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look all the leaves are brown because it's fall. Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: I got a tree I got like for my birthday,
Speaker 1: I think a couple of years ago. I got one
Speaker 1: of the only tree that changes color that can grow
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I got like a teeny tiny one
Speaker 1: for cheap and it's a sweet gum And they have
Speaker 1: the same shape leaves as maples, and they turned the
Speaker 1: same color, so they get like the like deep red
Speaker 1: and the orange um and they drop little like pokey
Speaker 1: little seed pods that look kind of creepy a Halloween tree.
Speaker 1: I did. Oh wait, I wanted to Um, this came
Speaker 1: up because this was in the news, like Molly posted
Speaker 1: this link in our either in our chat or on
Speaker 1: our dock. But that the Halloween, because Halloween basically isn't
Speaker 1: happening this year, that the candy is all going on
Speaker 1: sale extra early, um, which just reminds it's just like
Speaker 1: the Fourth of July thing with the fireworks all over again,
Speaker 1: except this time it's just sugar instead of explosives. But
Speaker 1: we're going to be dealing with this like glut of
Speaker 1: Halloween candy for like months before and months after the
Speaker 1: actual holiday. Um. So I feel like this is a
Speaker 1: little more manageable than the fireworks thing. But too, it's
Speaker 1: nicer dogs as long as I guess you don't, like,
Speaker 1: you know, give your dog the candy, but but much night,
Speaker 1: much nicer for dogs. Well, I think for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, including me, much of the fun of the
Speaker 1: Halloween stuff is the anticipation. By the time it's actually
Speaker 1: like almost October thirty one, I'm off in a little
Speaker 1: bit like I've had enough. Um, But it's just fun
Speaker 1: to start like anticipating something and when they start rolling
Speaker 1: the stuff out early. I get very excited me too,
Speaker 1: also because I feel like, um, I wouldn't I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have this. I I don't know that I ever
Speaker 1: get sick of fall or Halloween. But what I'll say,
Speaker 1: like I feel like there is such like a sharp
Speaker 1: cut off for Halloween and like the fall and kind
Speaker 1: of like the fall holidays in general, like once holl
Speaker 1: like like once Hallidan is over, like November one, it
Speaker 1: feels like sometimes even before it's like we're hauling in
Speaker 1: the hall the winter holiday stuff. It feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: even Thanksgiving, which should which should acsolutely be like a
Speaker 1: fall holiday, has been absorbed by like the winter holidays.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's just kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: it feels like like honestly the day has become yes,
Speaker 1: more of like this is like the official like this
Speaker 1: is the official start of Christmas. It's like you have
Speaker 1: saying like like the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade is all
Speaker 1: build up to like Santa and like you know, it's
Speaker 1: like all build up to Black Friday and just like
Speaker 1: you get and like I and I feel like you know,
Speaker 1: they've like the we don't get that like like Christmas
Speaker 1: or the winter holidays gets a nice little like kind
Speaker 1: of like after the fact, like after December twenty or whatever,
Speaker 1: you still you get a little like grace period. You're like,
Speaker 1: I can still be in the holiday mood, but it's
Speaker 1: like like the worst week of the year. I mate, Joe,
Speaker 1: I think it's like if that's I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1: And also like if we're going to, like you know,
Speaker 1: if if Christmas is gonna like start or the winter holiday,
Speaker 1: you're gonna start encroaching on like fall, then like I
Speaker 1: think it's totally within falls, right, start encroaching on summer. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think I like that everything's getting pushed back a
Speaker 1: little bit. Um, I totally agree with Kate that um
Speaker 1: fall starts the day after July four. I agree with that, Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, it should just be a sharp the
Speaker 1: same way that like that, the same way that like
Speaker 1: winter holidays are like a sharp It's like a sharp
Speaker 1: cut off like Halloween then we're into the winter stuff,
Speaker 1: Like July four should be a super sharp cut off.
Speaker 1: Like we just like we we go all we go
Speaker 1: all in on fall because people get excited for summer
Speaker 1: leading up to summer. But like after July four, nobody
Speaker 1: really likes summer that much anymore, and then it becomes August.
Speaker 1: I think it should start on August fifteen. That's my
Speaker 1: hot take, because kids will in l A. Kids are
Speaker 1: already back to school with the quotes because it's zoom,
Speaker 1: so they started, Like I think some school started this week,
Speaker 1: So I guess you could say, like the first day
Speaker 1: of their school could start it. But August fifteen, I
Speaker 1: think sounds reasonable to me. I can't except July five quite,
Speaker 1: but I can accept July five as the date when
Speaker 1: you start anticipating August fifteen, the official start of fall.
Speaker 1: I think in general, like, I think it's healthy for Americans,
Speaker 1: especially to broaden their definition of what fall can be,
Speaker 1: in the same way you were talking about broadening our
Speaker 1: definition of what Halloween can be. Because I would like
Speaker 1: to say, I think we talked about this a bit
Speaker 1: with Kate. I would like to see an actual map
Speaker 1: of the world where people get fall in the classic
Speaker 1: sense that has been sold to us by Big fall Um,
Speaker 1: because I think we're talking about all fall here like,
Speaker 1: but Big fall is is a real concern, and that
Speaker 1: is really defined what fall looks like and what fall
Speaker 1: should be. And I think that fall takes all you know,
Speaker 1: all forms. Yes, falls, Fall is a mindset. Yes. Can
Speaker 1: I just ask what Halloween candy is everyone looking forward
Speaker 1: to buying this year early, starting in August when it'll melt.
Speaker 1: I'm a big okay like I am. I am like
Speaker 1: weirdly like a big fan of any like any candy
Speaker 1: that has like like characters or shapes like pressed upon it.
Speaker 1: So like I know this year, like like her Che's
Speaker 1: is doing like a line of their little minibars with
Speaker 1: like the with like d C characters like um like
Speaker 1: pressed into them. Um. That's like just the like dumb
Speaker 1: gimmicky thing that I really get into for Halloween. And
Speaker 1: I've already liked, I've already gotten and like consumed a
Speaker 1: bag of those. I have to say, like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: I think gimmicky stuff like I've been going this past week.
Speaker 1: I've been going through just piles and piles of junk
Speaker 1: and stuff from my childhood all through college everything, and
Speaker 1: I'm realizing the thing I liked a lot and then
Speaker 1: I continually run into our um like gimmicky whatever. The
Speaker 1: pop culture thing of the moment is Valentine's cards. I
Speaker 1: always have a ton of those. I have a bunch
Speaker 1: of like um, Herbie fully loaded Valentine's cards, Like I
Speaker 1: always pick up whatever the stupidest thing is of the year.
Speaker 1: And I feel a similar way about Halloween candy. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: like if there's like Minions Halloween candy, I would get that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would be all over Minions Halloween candy and millions Valentines. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love when they put a Resa's cup into a
Speaker 1: different shape and call it something else, So I like
Speaker 1: the recent shape yeah yeah, and then I like the
Speaker 1: Reesa's ghosts. I'm I'm allergic to peanuts, so sadly I've
Speaker 1: never had a resas, but I do like and I
Speaker 1: can admire those from Afar do you have? I would
Speaker 1: imagine peanuts and traces of peanuts are in a ton
Speaker 1: of Halloween candy. It's I just like been I've I've
Speaker 1: like dealt with it like as a kid since I
Speaker 1: was like very little, so I definitely know what to
Speaker 1: like avoid, Like they're like they will put like may
Speaker 1: have traces of peanuts on like everything, just to like
Speaker 1: cover their ass just in case. But like now I
Speaker 1: know like which ones are like serious, like Eminem's like
Speaker 1: Eminem's I will have a very like bad reaction to
Speaker 1: even the plane ones, even the plane ones, even the
Speaker 1: plane ones like actually get like that, get that in there, um,
Speaker 1: whereas like Milky Ways and not well not Snickers stickers obviously,
Speaker 1: but Milky Ways and three Musketeers will like say that,
Speaker 1: but like they're fine. So like I know, I I
Speaker 1: know what to what to avoid and what I can
Speaker 1: I can enjoy. So this is why you like Halloween
Speaker 1: because it's like a dangerous game. Yes, like you know
Speaker 1: every like our parents always warned us about like you know,
Speaker 1: there might be razors in those candies, which was like
Speaker 1: kind of like both like you know, a bullshit thing,
Speaker 1: but I really have I really had that like danger
Speaker 1: like and one of you, like one of these pieces
Speaker 1: of candy could be like a time bomb for me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did you have to Like were you
Speaker 1: forbidden from eating anything until you got home and and
Speaker 1: then you could go through your parents could go through everything?
Speaker 1: Or uh yeah, I actually was. And actually the I
Speaker 1: found out I was, I mean I didn't find out.
Speaker 1: I was too little but my to remember this, but
Speaker 1: my parents found out I was allergic to peanuts on
Speaker 1: a on a Halloween. I would like to go. Like
Speaker 1: when I was like one, my my my grandmother fed
Speaker 1: me a like a peanut butter Halloween cookie and like
Speaker 1: that night my parents had to like take me to
Speaker 1: the emergency around. Oh my god, I'll like pass that,
Speaker 1: oh no, onto my my mom because I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it, but she remembers it very well.
Speaker 1: That's fully your Halloween origin story. Yeah, it's like your
Speaker 1: Harry Potter getting like struck on the forehead or whatever
Speaker 1: by Halloween survived. I survive. I can truly say like
Speaker 1: I survived Halloween, and I'm That is the origin state
Speaker 1: for businesswoman Michael Myers. Oh my god, perfect, she knows
Speaker 1: this right now. It's just incredible. Yeah, she knows every
Speaker 1: Halloween could be her last Halloween. Like you know, that's
Speaker 1: the fun. That's the thrill of Halloween. It's it's fun,
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit dangerous and like you gotta yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got to embrace that. And big businesswoman Michael Myers
Speaker 1: is like she's an attorney and she does like um
Speaker 1: allergy damage like damages suits and stuff like like she'll
Speaker 1: take your case if your kid has a battery action
Speaker 1: to yes, One of my favorite yarly Halloween traditions that
Speaker 1: you can do because it doesn't involve going indoors, is
Speaker 1: going to the Michael Myers House in South Pasadena, which
Speaker 1: you can just like stand in front of and take
Speaker 1: a picture. And every year there are families that go
Speaker 1: to take pictures in front of it. And I found
Speaker 1: that really amazing when I first started seeing it, because
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, these are cool like horror parents
Speaker 1: who let their young kids see Halloween, and then the
Speaker 1: kids also love the movie Halloween. So last year I
Speaker 1: saw there was like a dad dressed as Michael Myers
Speaker 1: with his son who was also addressed as Michael Myers,
Speaker 1: like a little Michael Myers, and anytime somebody wanted to
Speaker 1: take a photo, they would both like hold their knives
Speaker 1: up at the same time. The dad would be like,
Speaker 1: hold your knife up, son, put your knife up for
Speaker 1: the photo. I wonder if there is going to be
Speaker 1: like kind of a bunch of innovation around Halloween activities
Speaker 1: that can be enjoyed from a car, especially in l
Speaker 1: A because there's so many there's always some many good
Speaker 1: haunts and like Halloween attractions in l A. I was
Speaker 1: kind of known for it. But if somebody, if somebody
Speaker 1: can figure out the drive through haunted house, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: That is such a good idea. I believe that's actually
Speaker 1: already happening. Are a news article about. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's in l A. I think it's like a little
Speaker 1: more east, but like someone is doing a like um,
Speaker 1: like a drive through like zombie Apocalypse, So it's like
Speaker 1: you drive through, it's like you are, like it's I
Speaker 1: think it's like a it's a great combination of like
Speaker 1: concept and like the right aesthetic for it. It's like
Speaker 1: you're you're like trying to escape, like your zombie infestival,
Speaker 1: and like what could be more appropriate right now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I say, like, I know some people might think, like
Speaker 1: things are so scary, like why would we need to
Speaker 1: do things that are also you know, fake scary, But
Speaker 1: I do think it could be really cathartic to just
Speaker 1: like scream it out a little bit this year. You
Speaker 1: know what they should do. They should remake drive through
Speaker 1: car washes into drive through haunted houses. Because there's one
Speaker 1: at like Fletcher and Riverside Um just a little bit
Speaker 1: east of Hollywood. And if they slowed it down and
Speaker 1: then instead of the SuDS. It was blood. Really, it's
Speaker 1: a good id de right, work on this. Keep the like,
Speaker 1: keep the keep the car wash ang like just make
Speaker 1: it like like a haunt like you know, call it
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like scar scar wash. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a doctor cleaning your scar. Yeah, just die the
Speaker 1: soap bread. It would still probably work as soap, and
Speaker 1: it would look like you're getting like a that like squeegee.
Speaker 1: You could be dressed up and they could just like
Speaker 1: hit your things could go wrong. I'm saying the potential
Speaker 1: for things, you know what I mean. The brilliant thing
Speaker 1: about the drive through hunt would be that you could
Speaker 1: do like full contact or whatever. But you're in your
Speaker 1: car so it doesn't matter. So you can have like
Speaker 1: the zombie guy get on your windshield so long as
Speaker 1: he doesn't like do damage to your car or whatever,
Speaker 1: which should be Yeah, it would be very thrilling without
Speaker 1: the whole thing of like oh God, somebody's touching me.
Speaker 1: You could even like you could like get like a
Speaker 1: sticker for your windshield at the start to be like
Speaker 1: this is the level of contact I want my car
Speaker 1: you have and you can honk phrasier safe word like
Speaker 1: Hong Kong. I think the cars like with a drive
Speaker 1: through car wash. As I'm thinking, as I'm creating my
Speaker 1: business plan right now, I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that scares me about a drive through haunted house is
Speaker 1: like the autonomy of the driver being scared and then
Speaker 1: potentially injuring someone with the car. So I think it's
Speaker 1: really important that the cars are on that track in
Speaker 1: neutral neutral agreed. Yeah, then if you get terrified, there's
Speaker 1: nothing can go wrong. And I think that the stick.
Speaker 1: I'm so into this, like I'm not even joking. This
Speaker 1: is finally like this happened sharks like you just I
Speaker 1: think like this is I think this is like good
Speaker 1: like you you like embraced the you embraced fall and
Speaker 1: like you came to a plate you found your fall,
Speaker 1: which I'm very happy for you. Thank you, Joan, you
Speaker 1: did it. Thank you businessman Michael Myers. Also, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I had been thinking like all they would have to,
Speaker 1: you know, to the scariest thing would just be to
Speaker 1: like open knots Bury Farm this year. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as much as I love those places and as sad
Speaker 1: as I am because I've started doing the thing where
Speaker 1: I I like do I do like the the Haunts
Speaker 1: like on and off, like I'll do a year of
Speaker 1: going to the Haunts in the year of not going
Speaker 1: And this was supposed to me my year agoing And
Speaker 1: I'm so sad that it's that it's off. But I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: they are just like that is just like you being
Speaker 1: like crammed into like a very tight hallway with like
Speaker 1: hundreds of people. Yeah, and they already were such a
Speaker 1: probably a disease factor anyway, It's just like, yeah, doubly
Speaker 1: so not this time. Um. Well, before we wrap it up,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, are there any like movies that
Speaker 1: you watch every year, any like traditions that you have? Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'll put out to that I always that I
Speaker 1: always watch because I think they like both encompass, like
Speaker 1: the both sides of kind of fall Um for the
Speaker 1: more like kind of like witchy like harvest E side
Speaker 1: of fall Um, I will always I will I will
Speaker 1: watch um Uh, practical Magic. I think Practical Magic is
Speaker 1: like pure is like pure like fall movie. I love it.
Speaker 1: So I really love Practical Magic. Um. And then for
Speaker 1: like the like more like Halloween, but it's still like
Speaker 1: fun horror I really like. And I like I'm drawn
Speaker 1: back to it more than any of the other like
Speaker 1: Kevin Williamson like horror movies of that like late nineties
Speaker 1: and early two thousand generation, even more than Scream. I'll
Speaker 1: always watch The Faculty. I think The Fact is also
Speaker 1: a great full fall movie, not just because it combines
Speaker 1: like you know, horrorse like you know, the horrors side
Speaker 1: of like Halloween, um Or or Fall, but it's also
Speaker 1: got like a very real like going back to school
Speaker 1: like a movie. It's a back to school movie and
Speaker 1: Halloween movie, so you like can't do better. Um, So yeah,
Speaker 1: those are my two. You those are my two, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're like my like you know,
Speaker 1: top pics, but there's there's always the ones that I
Speaker 1: come back to every fall. I watched Park last night,
Speaker 1: which I felt like was a great summer into fall
Speaker 1: transitional horror movie. I love that. So that movie feels
Speaker 1: so straight up summer to me, just all the tropicalia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the end of summer. Okay. I have one
Speaker 1: last question for Joan too. So Joan on Fall Talk, Um,
Speaker 1: didn't you just recently have a big chill sweater bracket? Yes,
Speaker 1: we actually we changed it uh to. I still want
Speaker 1: to do the big the big chill one, but we
Speaker 1: just made it um like generic, like generic or not jenic.
Speaker 1: But we did like sweat, like the top sweaters from
Speaker 1: all of cinema, So I think I might we're going
Speaker 1: to do that, and then we'll do the Big Chill
Speaker 1: on and then those two and then like I'll have
Speaker 1: those two sweaters face off. I feel like our listeners
Speaker 1: will really will appreciate this as we do, so stay
Speaker 1: tuned for the the Sweater Bracket. Yes, case you're wondering,
Speaker 1: what what the the what did I call? It? Was
Speaker 1: the two thousand, the two two I the Sweater sixteen
Speaker 1: Cinematic Sweater Bracket, and the winner was uh five Wiles tunic.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great one. Yeah it may I'll be
Speaker 1: the first water you think of. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: a good sweater. It looks very cozy totally. I watched
Speaker 1: Mrs Frisbee and the Rats of nim I guess it's
Speaker 1: called a secretive name the movie, and she has like
Speaker 1: a little cape cloak and I was like, Oh, that's
Speaker 1: where this desire to have a cloak that I've had
Speaker 1: my whole life came from. Don Bluth knew and on
Speaker 1: a Stagia two, Don Bluth like knew how to like
Speaker 1: give us like cozy fallwear. Yeah, I love Don Bluth. Well, Joan,
Speaker 1: you and Kate are premiering Fall Talk um next Saturday, Yes,
Speaker 1: at the Austin Sketch Fest, which will be online. Yes,
Speaker 1: um and where can people find that? You can find
Speaker 1: it at uh Twitch dot TV, slash cold Town TV.
Speaker 1: That's spelled c O L D t O w ny TV. Um.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we are going up Saturday August two at
Speaker 1: eight pm Central time. Um, and it's gonna be yeah.
Speaker 1: The and and I think the whole like festival is
Speaker 1: free to watch on Twitch. There's like a very like
Speaker 1: the lineup is amazing, Jamie Loftus is there, Like there's
Speaker 1: just like a lot of very cool, wonderful people and
Speaker 1: like we're very excited to be a part of it. Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw Jamie's doing a girl Boss girl whom his
Speaker 1: Boss uh Quarantine special which seems excellent material. Very excited
Speaker 1: I hear. And everybody can find Joan, the Queen of
Speaker 1: Fall and her assistant Kate, who will be playing uh
Speaker 1: Pumpkin spice Latte. Yes, Yeah, that's that. You can find
Speaker 1: us at twitch dot tv slash Joan Hailey Ford uh
Speaker 1: and Fall Talk is every every second and fourth Thursday
Speaker 1: of the month at six pm. And you guys have
Speaker 1: a comedy duo called Red and Yellow of course two
Speaker 1: of the most Fall colors. Absolutely yes, wasn't even intentional.
Speaker 1: We weren't think about it when we named it that,
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, just of course that's where
Speaker 1: our brains went. You're like, we have to take those
Speaker 1: colors back from Eminem's Absolutely yes that boys and Dandy Well, John,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, and thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. This is a lot of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a wonderful start of fall, which starts now. Happy
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