WEBVTT - 123: A Midsummer Night’s Fall 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.680 It's to fifteen am at a Serbian nightclub and you're 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:16.160 listening to Night Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.120 a call in show about our dystopian reality. My name 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.120 is Emily Ashida. I am on the line with Molly 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.360 Lambert and Tess Lynch. Later on we're gonna be joined 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:31.240 by Joan Ford to talk about Halloween Fall and uh 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.400 why fall starts on July five, so stay tuned for that. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:36.720 We had a night call we want to kick things 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.000 off with. We have been talking actually now for the 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:44.440 past few weeks about AI about their consciousness slash lack 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:49.000 of consciousness and the possibility of it ever existing. So 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:53.720 we got a fun little call about that high night call. Uh, 0:00:53.920 --> 0:01:00.920 first time caller from Kentucky. Um. I just wanted to 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:05.800 throw in with that when you were talking about AI 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:10.760 and h the idea of making it self conscious, um, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.480 and then somebody's bringing up making the AI is like 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.880 democratic or whatever or have to come to consensus, and 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:23.000 it just made me think of um Evan Gillian and 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:28.280 if I remember correctly, the supercomputers and that show, they 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.080 have three of them and they have to come to 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:38.119 like a consensus before they act or follow orders. Or whatever. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.440 And I think there are times throughout the show that 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.520 the computers actually like don't necessarily do what they want 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.600 because the decision the computers come to might be like 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.920 you know, differently aligned are intended than like the initial 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.880 order that the people operating like put in or whatever. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.920 But anyway, left the part test, have a great day. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.200 Thanks by thank you for the call, Thanks for bringing 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.920 Eva into it. Uh yeah, do you guys want to 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:17.000 hear about the Maggi system. Let's let's default to evan 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:23.320 Galian expert um. So it's such a it's such a 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.880 wild idea, and I think maybe subconsciously I was thinking 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.040 of this when I talked about like the AI coming 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.880 to a consensus, because in the show there's the system 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.840 is called the Maggi system, and so they have it 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.720 for this the the center, the main base that most 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.760 of the stuff in the show takes place. And like 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.560 you would think, okay, so they made like three supercomputers 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.839 and they like you know, they're basically like setting up 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.560 for like a fail safe in case one of the 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.680 supercomputers goes wonky or whatever. So you have to have 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.480 this consensus between the three of them about any decisions 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.000 that I mean it's basically this thing that replaces like 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:06.000 a congress for this, um, this sort of militarized sub community. Uh. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.919 But the this is the thing that's like silly about 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.400 it is that the computers are have been uploaded with 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.800 the personality of one woman, just three different facets of 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.040 her personality. Um, it's like one of the character's moms 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.880 and um one is her as a scientist, one is 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.320 her as a mother, and one is her as a woman. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.840 And so all of the decisions from this like military 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.480 organization are made by the scientists, the mother and the 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:39.640 woman of Dr Naoko Akagi. Uh. And it's yeah, I 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.160 gets tacked at one point. It's a pretty good episode. Um, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.520 it's just very it's it's sort of funny. It's like 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.240 it's one of these things that like you're you're with 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.320 it as like a sci fi like a just pure 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.880 like hard sci fi concept until you're like wait, what 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.040 why would they let anybody do that? And also like 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.280 it's again and like the reason this doesn't exist in 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.840 real life is like it depends on this technology that 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.680 we don't have and that I don't think we'll ever 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.760 have where you can like sync with the machine and 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.360 like imprint your personality on it. Um. So wait, the 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.160 in the in the wiki that you sent us for this, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.279 there are also there are different branches that also have 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:26.240 the trios of Maggie computers too. Yeah, so every every 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.279 all these different bases have their their system, their trio 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.680 of computer. So it's the same principle, but they could 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:39.279 be imprinted with different personalities. We don't know necessarily. Um, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.200 this has become the podcast for Emily just explains up 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.800 in Gillian, No, that is a different podcast that I 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:53.039 need to get paid money for. But yeah, I yeah, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.120 it's like a funny it's a funny AI idea. I'm 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.159 I'm like a I like to just be a connoisseur 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.600 of AI ideas in science fiction, even if they're completely 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:08.320 not like practical or um feasible at all. Did you 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.719 guys ever watch the show Out of This World? Oh? Yeah, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.839 it was a sitcom from the eighties where a girl's 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:22.159 dead father I believe, was in like a crystal Yeah, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.760 it was it her father. It was that show was 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.400 crazy Town, it was the Advice Yeah, you know, there 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:34.960 were just like a lot of weird, high concept sitcoms. Yeah, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.000 the cocaine era um, but she was an alien in 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.240 that one. She was an alien, but she communicated with 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:48.360 her father through like a crystal. Wow. Yeah, it was 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.800 like it was I'm looking it up right now. It 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.520 was the NBC Prime Time. There were a lot of 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.480 sitcoms that have plot lines that sound like anime. There's 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:02.040 also Small Wonder, which is like small Under a total animal. Yeah, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.160 just to just to be the clarifier on Out of 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:11.200 This World, it was a girl named Evie who discovers 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.600 on her thirteenth birthday that her father Troy, is an alien. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.440 I'm reading this from Wikipedia. From the planet on Tara's 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.520 Prime in the Scorpio galaxy. Her half alien heritage gives 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.880 her superhuman abilities. Blah blah blah. Anyway, Yeah, her name 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:34.680 is Evie, Evie, I know Evan Gillian. The cover rut 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.680 on the IMDb page looks so Jan kiet I watched 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.599 the Ship Out of That shows a good show. Well 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:52.680 for Reynolds is on it way, speaking of um parental conflicts, yes, um, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.920 I really wanted to bring to the night called Table 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.320 to the Red Table talk the story of Jordan's Peterson 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:06.719 and his daughter Thatchayla Peterson. MICHAELA. Peterson, which has been 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:11.800 an ongoing saga for the last year, but new new 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:17.800 stuff has happened. Um. Jordan Peterson is a Canadian evo 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:25.240 psych dark web intellectual guys on like the faculty at 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.160 the University of Toronto. I'm not sure he don't think 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.520 leave now that he's in a coma or whatever. We'll 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.840 get to that. So Jordan Peterson, Um, he sucks. He 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.920 sucks as an author, but he got kind of popular 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.760 because along with a bunch of these other kind of 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:51.200 you know, hyper masculine grifter men who were just like, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:56.400 here's how you conquer society by becoming powerful. He's like 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.160 this guy who really has like clung to this idea 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.640 of the masculine is being order and the feminine is 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.600 being ka like inherently chaotic, which is just like a 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.760 really really rickety road to go down. Uh. And yeah, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.640 he trips over lots of stupid ideas on his way 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.640 down that road. But a lot of people like just 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.960 listening to somebody who's like, I know everything, here's everything. Um, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.200 because he doesn't come off as crazy. That's the thing 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.040 about him. Well, that's the intellectual dark web thing. It's 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.280 like you're saying fucked up ship, but you're saying it 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.800 in a suit. So he's like he sounds like a professor. Yeah, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:35.880 but he's like a transpobe. He is just like a misogynist. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.040 He generally just kind of sucks. He he got in 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.640 big trouble, Like I remember, I first became aware of 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.319 him because he was really insistently refusing to use people's 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.440 correct pronouns and there was a big kind of dust 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.559 up over that. That's when I first heard of him. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:57.400 But yeah, he's like a contrarian. Uh and and now 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.200 he is trapped in a really very strange situation. So 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.400 let's a woman no less So, So last fall, I 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.440 think the last time he did like a public event 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.760 was last fall, he did like a town hall with 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:16.720 Zizek Slabek in Um, Canada. After that, he had some 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:21.319 kind of an injury that he got put on benzos 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:26.280 for the injury. Then he got addicted to benzos, and 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.760 then he was in a treatment center for the benzos 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.640 that it turned out was in Russia, um and that 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.160 his daughter had taken him there. So let's talk about 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.480 his daughter. Let's talk about MICHAELA. Peterson. So MICHAELA. Peterson 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.920 was apparently the first of them to get on this 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.200 all meat diet thing. Is that correct? Like she was 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.400 the initiator of this. Yeah, I think the all meat 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.520 diet is her thing. She claims that she had been 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.480 plagued by a lot of different health problems, starting in 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:04.400 child to rheumatoid arthritis, and that her unorthodox approach to 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:09.080 fixing those things was to only eat meat, salt, and water. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.280 I think at one point, I think there's some leeway, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.760 like people have made allusions to a vegetable here or there. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.280 But she claimed that when she started the all meat diet, 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:24.559 all of her problems miraculously disappeared, all of her health issues. Sure, 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.000 and then she put out a book with her dad 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.800 where she's wearing a bikini on the front and he's 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.120 like looks much smaller than hers, like half the size, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.920 and it's like this very it looks like a shitty 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.840 phone pick that was taken without him knowing and maybe 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.320 like with the zoom on, so it's really blurry, and 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.280 he just looks sad and he's in a towel and 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.040 he's like half her size. Um, it's pretty incredible. Some 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.760 people in the comments on this thread that was done 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:56.679 by at Rational disc Rational Disconnect on on Twitter. They 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.880 were like, that's a fake cover, right, like that's a groof, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.840 But no, that's apparently the actual design. That's a real cover. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.480 And then I looked a little bit at some of 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.520 her photos because people would be like, you must have 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:13.160 scurvy from not eating any vegetables, and she'll be like, 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:17.120 oh yeah, check it out. My body's falling apart from scurvy, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.559 and it'll just be like a hot So this thread 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.079 by rational discs Um alerted us to some new developments 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:33.520 in the Jordan Peterson saga, which are that apparently the 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.960 cold Turkey Benzo withdrawal thing that Jordan Peterson went to 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:45.199 Russia to do was suggested by his daughter's boyfriend, who 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.280 is a Russian guy that I think he's a Russian 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:54.760 guy that she met who is a Stalinist and believes 0:11:54.800 --> 0:12:00.000 he's been possessed by a demon also named Igor. Yeah. Important, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.280 So that guy apparently said, you know, we have to 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.680 go to Russia to do this treatment that they won't 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.839 do in America because it's too state of the art. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.840 Turns out that treatment was our favorite thing from Valley 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.720 of the Dolls, the medically medically induced coma, which was 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.200 like medically induced. Wait, the benzos didn't have anything to 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.760 do with the coma. The coma was to get you 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:28.920 off the benzos, and they put you in a coma 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.440 and then you withdraw. But you're in a coma while 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:36.600 you withdraw, so you don't like feel the effects. Yeah. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.480 Then when he came out of the coma, there was 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.920 a rumor that maybe he had some brain damage from 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.600 being put into a coma. Yeah, being put into a 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.240 coma at a Russian clinic that's doing a procedure that 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.079 apparently they're not allowed to do in the US. I 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.400 can see how you could come out of that with 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.240 a little bit of brain damage. Um. So now the 0:12:55.280 --> 0:13:01.560 Peterson's are in Serbia where the Michaela is living it 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:06.280 up clubs. She's like, she has a new man in 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.960 her life. Yeah, so Michaela had a baby with the 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.760 guy possessed by Igor, but now she's dating a different guy. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.720 I think a Serbian guy who I'm not sure if 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.360 it was this guy or the Russian guy that people 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.040 were like, I think he's a human trafficker. Yeah, he 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:24.600 seems like a legitimate sociopath. Um, what's his name? Andrew 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.520 Tate the it's on the thread. It describes him as 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.559 a misogynist, pickup artist and webcamp pimp who runs a 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.240 scam website and thinks that quote depression doesn't exist. So 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.320 these are people that are all kind of like, you know, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.760 it follows logic that they all ended up in the 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.839 same time. Yeah, I can see what they're sitting around 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.280 talking about for sure. Who scams the scammers? Is the 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:53.520 question that this answers. Um So, Michaela posted that her father, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.640 Jordan Peterson, now has COVID and that she had had 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.800 it before and so she probably gave it to him 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.720 because that's been going out clubbing with this, but also 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.840 didn't didn't she imply that her daughter got it from 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.160 a playground because there were videos of Michaela like at 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.559 the club with no mass, being like, there's no mass 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.760 at this club. Just how I like it. I'm not 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.840 scared of COVID, and then she was like oops, but 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.800 I think at one point she mentioned that she thought 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.080 her daughter picked it up at a playground after being like, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.880 We've been careful, which was clearly not true. Uh, and 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.360 then pass it on to Jordan's Yeah, and you know 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.320 has been really making a point of like I was 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.440 a little stuffed up, like here's a selfie of me 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.680 when I had corona. I look fine, like this is 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.840 only killing unhealthy people. Oops? Did I say that? Uh? 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.000 That kind of attitude in her post so um yeah, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.960 super super as I said before we started recording Super 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.880 Team No One here. Yeah. The post that got everybody 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.360 sort of like what about this is that she was like, Okay, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.280 my dad's in a Serbian hospital. He's got coronavi iris. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.400 Now nobody's seen him in a year. Also, and then 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.640 she was like here I am at the club, and 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.080 then just a video of her clubbing in Serbia at 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.000 a club where they're playing the Manuma song. Yeah, um, 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.680 which just it's it would be like perfect if it 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.080 wasn't so horrible. Here's a footnote to this story that 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.320 I enjoyed for it being very bizarre, which is, um. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.520 Jordan Peterson was on a podcast, may have been Joe Rogan, 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.600 I'm not sure, but he was. He said that he 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.520 had been on the all meat diet and uh that 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.440 it was doing really tremendous things for him, and then 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.840 he he went off the diet like he actually he 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.320 had a glass of um apple cider was what he had, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.720 and he said, you know, apparently I have a sensitivity 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.680 to sell fights, and that's one of the things I've 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.120 learned by doing this diet. So I had a glass 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.080 of apple cider and then he said it sent him 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.320 into the worst panic of his life, like he was 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.000 completely like paralyzed by it. And he said he had 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.280 never felt such a sense of impending doom as after 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.840 he had had the cup of apple cider. And I 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.480 was like, that's one of those things from a story 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.040 that like, I know, no matter what I forget in 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.040 my life, I will carry that with me until I die. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.080 It sounds like he probably just had a panic attack 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.960 because he hadn't had apple cider in so long. I mean, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.240 I don't know. It could be like I I have 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.600 a self fite allergy, um, but it doesn't show up 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.280 like that. But I could also some stuff, yeah, like 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.400 migraines and things like that. But um, I also think 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.040 that if you are on a very very restricted diet 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.160 for an extended period of time, it will really give 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.080 you like a psychological condition where it's fear of food, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.520 you know, fear of like toxins and stuff. Yeah, it 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.840 seems like an all meat diet. It's like I think 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.440 we talked maybe we've had a cannibalism discussion on this 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:02.400 podcast before, but like the um, what's the organism that 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:07.440 can infect your brain from pons? Like I feel like 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.600 there's there has to be some kind of version, like 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.159 some kind of version of that that happens from just 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:20.080 adopting carnivorous diet, Like we're not carnivores, like and couse 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.159 playing as a carnivore will not make it. So a 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.200 lot of this stuff too seems like also like marketing 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:31.000 eating disorders to men. Yeah, under a different name. You know, 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.639 a lot of the Joe Rogan stuff too, that's just 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:38.320 about like maxing out your capacities for health, but it's 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:43.200 really like take all these supplements and don't eat real meals. Well. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.560 She also was like totally scamming on her own too, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.360 because she was promoting this diet and then like had 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.840 a website where it was the website for the diet 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:54.639 and you had to pay a membership fee for it, 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:56.879 but apparently there wasn't anything that you were actually paying for. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.639 You were just paying to like have access to a 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.520 message board where you could talk to other people who 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.240 are probably melting down from only eating meat group. It 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.639 was like six dollars a year or something. It was 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:13.840 something like that. So everybody's scamming everybody here. Yeah, So 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:19.520 the conspiracy about this is that Jordan Peterson himself has 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:24.800 not really been communicating except through michaela Um. All of 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.479 his missives for the past year or so have come 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.679 through her, and she's like, here's what my dad's up to. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.320 And for Jordan Peterson, who obviously it was a talkative 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.520 dude before people thought that seemed a little off. She 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:43.080 released a podcast pretty recently in June that was her 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.639 talking to her dad, where they are shot in a 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.520 way that they're never in frame together. So there's video 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.400 of him. But people are like, you can't tell when 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.320 this video is from. It could really be from any time. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.520 It could be from twenty nineteen because he doesn't say 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.560 anything specific to the circumstances of now. He talks about 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.280 how he got like sick. But people think maybe that 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.320 she like spliced together old footage with new footage of 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.160 herself to make this podcast to make it seem like 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.760 her father is doing fine. But some people think that 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.120 she's running kind of Somebody said it was like phantom 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:28.280 thread with um supplements, or it's some kind of like 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:33.800 um like Munchausen's thing or something. Somebody in the somebody 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.240 in the comments commented about how like this is just 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.840 like a twenty one century Gothic novel, Like it's appointing, 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:45.840 totally very very goth. Well, somebody also it's like either 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.040 her baby daddy or her boyfriend is in charge of 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.600 the Jordan Peterson Company in some way, like helping to 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:58.000 run the company. Now, so oh yeah, there's a conspiracy 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:03.800 that Jordan Peterson is either dead or still in some 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.639 kind of a incapacitated state from being put into a 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.320 medically induced coma and then having COVID. It's pretty interesting. 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.159 Do you believe it? I mean, I don't know. I 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.960 think these people are all such scammers. I can't tell 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.560 if anyone's telling the truth. So these people are like 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.160 living on the fringes of how you should treat your body, 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:33.879 like both in terms of like like corona and diet 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.800 and everything. Like. I just feel like I have no 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.520 way of knowing whether Jordan Peterson is alive or not, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.439 because he's like he does is not dealing with a 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.480 set of factors that I have any um experience with 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.480 a relation to him. Um, Like it's it's so out 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:55.080 of space. I don't know. Um. Here's another question. Do 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.119 you think that Michaela actually only eats meat or do 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.840 you think that she cooked up this idea to sell 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.159 to people, but that that's not something she would even do. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.240 I think that's very possible because a lot of the 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.159 really strict diet people on YouTube get caught like eating 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.120 like there's a you know, the vegans always get caught 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:20.399 eating like a cheeseburger. Um, the banana diet lady who's like, 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.160 all you have to eat is bananas? Is she drinking alcohol? Like? 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.200 Was she seen with a drink in her hand? Looked 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.680 like she was drinking alcohol at them? Like smoking cigars? 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.840 Like I I think that the whole thing, the whole 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.479 marketing aspect of the all meat diet is that it 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.960 allows for drinking and smoking cigars because it's like an 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:45.080 alpha man. It's a power diet. You know, there's those 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:49.520 carcinogens and whatnot, right, and if you become an alpha male, 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.720 then like you're impervious to things that would affect regular people. 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:56.680 According to the logic of that, you become like a 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.600 Keith Richard's of meat. Um. Speaking of all this, I 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.119 want I'm curious if any of our listeners have done 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.199 any super super crazy diets like this, and if you have, 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.520 will you please let us know at two, four oh 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.800 four or six night. It also reminds me of when 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.840 people were doing the Atkins diet. Yeah, exactly, well, yeah, 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.280 people got the interpretation of what was Atkins diet is 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.560 so easy, like when when you're like, oh, all meat 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.520 is fine, so have as much meat as possible. Like 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.240 that's not even the same, Like it's so easily uh 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.200 turned into something super super unhealthy, even if the principle 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.639 itself starts off being somewhat sound. Because that's the thing is, 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.600 like people were like, oh, I'm on the Atkins diet, 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.760 so here's my cobb salad with like a pound of 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:46.800 bacon on it, and like for extent um, no carbs. 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:51.080 I also think that if you're a contrarian um like 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.240 Jordan Peterson's daughter who has who takes after her father, 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.520 seemingly in that way, it's a it's like a political 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.920 thing to recommend that people only eat meat when that's 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:05.439 clearly terrible for the environment and contentious and anything that 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.800 they're like, oh, they're telling you this is bad for you. 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.239 I'm going to tell you the truth. It's actually they 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.440 don't want you to have it because it makes you superhuman. Yeah. Yeah, 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.240 And when you are hallucinating or like unable to sleep 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:21.600 for twenty five days or whatever and triggered by a 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.199 cup of apple cider, it's like, that's because you're on 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.240 a new plane, and that's the way all humans will 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.840 be eventually, something like that's our that's our peak performance level. 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.720 I will say weirdly enough that this story does seem 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:40.879 to demonstrate some truth to the women are are the 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:45.440 element of chaos theory? Well, like maybe she just spent 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:50.280 her life like she grew up having that idea, the ideology, 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.320 if not like directly fed to her, like definitely in 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.160 the air. So it's sort of like if your dad 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:58.560 has been saying the entire time, you're growing up like 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.240 you are an agent of chaos. Us you got to 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:06.200 grow up to become an agent of chaos, fulfill it. Yeah. 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.440 I mean, it's kind of amazing that this guy who 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.400 like promoted himself as the you know, the intellectual alpha male, 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:17.080 has been like outgamed by his daughter, which is very 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:22.840 like Game of Thrones or something. It's very Shakespearean that 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:28.000 she's in charge, she's the alpha. Clearly, I think there's 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.199 this unsettling part of this story that's just like we 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.439 don't we have no idea what happened to him, And 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.359 I feel like that's the way a lot of stories 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.520 are right now in the news, Like this is just 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.200 on a more personal level, but there's so much stuff 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.480 where it's like that just went away and we have 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.639 no idea where it was, Like everything happening with the 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:49.200 with the post Office, it's like there's no longer an 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.320 expectation that will ever know what happened to Jordan Peterson, 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.720 Like this could just be the end he got dissolved 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.160 in something. Are you saying that they're putting the mailboxes 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:04.560 and a medically induced coma? Essentially, yes, I think we 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.360 all know what's going on here. It's also, yeah, there's 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.359