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Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge, presented by DraftKings. We are thrilled to

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Speaker 1: sit down with tight End. Charlie Kohler and Charlie. We

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Speaker 1: had to invite you onto lounge after we heard your

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Speaker 1: quote post game about how they forgot you know, everybody's

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Speaker 1: paying so much attention to Mark and Isaiah and they

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Speaker 1: forgot about the fat white guy running down the scene, right,

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Speaker 1: and as two fat white guys, we were like this,

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Speaker 1: it really resonated with us.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's why they forget about us all the time too, right,

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Speaker 1: We're just overlooked in the organization.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so take me inside.

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Speaker 1: What's going through your head as they're just you know,

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Speaker 1: I saw I watched the tape of that play Gino

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Speaker 1: Stone shading over tis like this spot you're just trucking

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Speaker 1: down the middle baby, just wide open. What's what's going

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Speaker 1: through your head on that play?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? There was a I mean, I wasn't totally kidding

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Speaker 3: in all the dumb comments. I was making a different

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Speaker 3: They didn't cut me loose, but uh, I just I

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Speaker 3: knew that that play, like you tight End four verds

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Speaker 3: is hard to cover a lot of times teams are

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Speaker 3: in single high because they only have three guys deep,

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Speaker 3: so usually whichever side this safety shades too, they could

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Speaker 3: throw the other way. So when I saw Gino rotate away,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, Mike, Mike, is some action here.

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Speaker 3: So I was pretty excited. Lamar through a beautiful ball

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Speaker 3: and protection was great and it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I know Lamar even today was kind of

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Speaker 1: giving you a hard time on podium.

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Speaker 2: He said he's got to.

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Speaker 1: Score, he's got to stop getting chased down on these

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Speaker 1: so so, I mean, it's kind of sticks here. You

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Speaker 1: have great play there, great play Dallas, and now you're

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Speaker 1: just getting your teammates around your butt again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I get over the sideline afterwards, and the first

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Speaker 3: thing he says is you gotta score. I was like,

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Speaker 3: great ball out, but no, he he's awesome. He's right.

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Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta score. I gotta stop getting tackled

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Speaker 3: with out of ten. But no, he's a I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's very easy to play with little more sometimes like

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Speaker 3: it's a perfect ball. You know. He does a good

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Speaker 3: job of leading the safety off and he makes he

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Speaker 3: does a really good job of making our job easier.

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Speaker 4: Right, So for anyone who hasn't seen it, fans listeners,

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Speaker 4: you need to go back and watch Charlie's full postgame

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Speaker 4: press or scrum after the game because it is comedy.

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Speaker 2: That was just great.

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Speaker 5: That white guy quote was just one.

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Speaker 4: Of many in that little two minute I mean it

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Speaker 4: was a stand up monologue. Basically, was that Uh you

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Speaker 4: even joked during that time. You said, I'm not answering

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Speaker 4: anything serious during this. So did you go into it

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Speaker 4: with it with that attitude of basically having delivering these

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Speaker 4: great one liners or what was the thought process going

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Speaker 4: into this postgame scrum.

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Speaker 3: I can't say. There was a whole lot of thoughts

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Speaker 3: right through my head at that time. I was tired

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Speaker 3: from the game and I was on cloud nine. We

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Speaker 3: just won, you know, crazy comeback, you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: they're lining up for a game winning. I think I

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Speaker 3: loose and then like the last three minutes whatever later

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Speaker 3: we just wanted. So it was pretty related. And then

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Speaker 3: you know, there was some truth in all my dumb comments,

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Speaker 3: like they like like they did cut me loose and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But uh, I was just I don't know, I was

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Speaker 3: just kind of speaking from I wouldn't say the heart,

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Speaker 3: but just just the first came through my head. I

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Speaker 4: So it's kind of interesting, though, I feel like your

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Speaker 4: personality has come out a lot more this year.

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Speaker 5: Is that true?

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Speaker 3: I mean I probably was naturally a lot more reserved

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Speaker 3: when I was a rookie. You know, you're just not

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Speaker 3: as comfortable. And also I wasn't playing very much. I

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Speaker 3: was just trying to, you know, come into my job.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's like most people, as you get

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Speaker 3: more comfortable in your job and with your teammates, people

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Speaker 3: other shelves. And I'm sure that's part of me doing that,

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Speaker 3: but uh yeah, I mean I just I feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm the same person, but it's it's, uh, we're just.

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Speaker 5: Seeing more of it.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think like when you talk to guys like you're

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Speaker 1: one of those guys who when we ask our players,

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Speaker 1: like when they're coming off the field for our social

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Speaker 1: media things like who's the most obnoxious guy in the

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Speaker 1: locker room, who's allowed us, who's the most likely to

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Speaker 1: give you a heart? Like Charlie pops up in a

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Speaker 1: lot of those answers, right, Like, I feel like the.

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Speaker 3: Most obnoxious, weren't very positive, so I.

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Speaker 1: Guess said the record straight, Like what is your niche like,

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Speaker 1: what's your role your personality?

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Speaker 2: Like in the in the framework of this team.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully on the field, my role is just you know,

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Speaker 3: continue to you know, block well on the edge and

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Speaker 1: And then well, I mean in the locker room, are socially, yes,

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Speaker 1: socially what's the social role of Charlie Kohler in this

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Speaker 3: It's hard to have like a social I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's such kind of organic. I'd say I'm comfortable my

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Speaker 3: just like I don't know. I it's not that I

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Speaker 3: like selfish, like you know, I want to be respectful

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Speaker 3: and apply it. But it's like I am like comfortable

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Speaker 3: with who I am and like I know that I

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Speaker 3: put everything I have into my job, and like I

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Speaker 3: truly care about my teammates, but like all things are

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Speaker 3: like not as important, like it'll be a dumb comment

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Speaker 3: or like maybe I should wear more clothes sometimes like uh,

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Speaker 3: I just don't really care that much.

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Speaker 4: Funny, Well, one thing I started noticing. Maybe you've always

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Speaker 4: done this. You you do pregame wars. You walk around

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Speaker 4: with that shoes a lot, right, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Just got in trouble with that today actually, So I

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Speaker 3: gotta start wearing more shoes on the field, coach. No,

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Speaker 3: I just I need to wear more shoes, like in

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Speaker 5: Oh, you didn't wear shoes in the meetings that far?

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Speaker 1: So is the complaint, like the smelly feet, what's the complaint?

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Speaker 3: I think it's the professional as a masspect that is

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Speaker 3: totally understandable. Understandable, But I do like to uh. I

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Speaker 3: I think that it's good like kind of I don't

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Speaker 3: being barefoot. I don't, like I've always liked being barefoot,

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Speaker 3: like I think it's comfortable. I don't like wearing shoes really.

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Speaker 2: I see you wearing those five fingers.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever worn this? So these are like the

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Speaker 3: barefoot style ones. I have a few of these. I

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Speaker 3: haven't actually had the five fingers. But also I have

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Speaker 3: like a like a giant gap between my big toe

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Speaker 3: like I used to joke that, like my friends used

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Speaker 3: it's like it's pretty big, Like it's a pretty big gap.

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Speaker 3: And I used to say I used to mess with people.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about like people over the age, people

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Speaker 3: Like they they think I'm like decently smart, which is

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Speaker 3: like I think I'm solidly smart guy. But what I've learned

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Speaker 3: like no way, I'm again, no way did it happen,

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Speaker 3: But it's amazing now. Yeah, I do like to be barefoot,

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Speaker 4: You mentioned that people think you're smart. It's for a

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Speaker 4: good reason though. When you were in college you won correct,

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Speaker 4: what was the award again?

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Speaker 2: It was a Campbell the Campbell Award, the Academic Heightsman.

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Speaker 4: The Academic Heisman when you were at Iowa State and so,

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Speaker 4: and you were mechanical engineering major in college. So I

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Speaker 4: mean we're academics something like when you were in college

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Speaker 4: and you take a lot of pride in winning that award.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my parents are both professors. It's a

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Speaker 3: family were very strict academics growing up. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: My middle brother is actually the quite brilliant one. He uh,

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Speaker 3: it was funny. I always think it's okay to brag

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Speaker 3: if it's not you. He took the act and he

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Speaker 3: got thirty six, which already is the highest score available.

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Speaker 3: a question the whole test, like four hours. Wow, he's brilliant, Sam,

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Speaker 3: absolutely brilliant and like not just like you know, like

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be Uh, I'm gonna vote for him someday

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Speaker 3: for something. But he's great.

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Speaker 5: Is he in college now?

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Speaker 3: He just he's just graduated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this reminds me of my first date with my

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Mattie's far smarter than me. And and uh, it's

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Speaker 3: definitely the biggest thing to you have noticed. I think

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Speaker 3: this is true for almost all relationships. But my friends

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Speaker 3: commonly say to you, girls always have better memories on everything,

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Speaker 3: like remembering, so like I'm really struggling to remember what

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Speaker 3: like my worst thing is like, you know, we started

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Speaker 3: I think we talked about this. I'm afraid to ask

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Speaker 3: and that she's gonna snap at me. I'm just embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: She's fantastic West.

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Speaker 1: What At what point did you know football was your

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Speaker 1: your future? Did you think you might go into engineering?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I really, you know, I never like, uh, I

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Speaker 3: didn't like to think I was like that good going on.

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Speaker 3: Like I was a very small recruit in high school.

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Speaker 3: I only had a few offers, and then in college

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Speaker 3: I didn't play my first year year and a half

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Speaker 3: two almost and uh, it wasn't until my red shirt

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had an interesting career path so far. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm just so grateful, Like I'm grateful for an opportunity,

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Speaker 3: It was very challenging. I had. So I had a

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Speaker 5: The best position to do that. Yep, So like what

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Speaker 3: to play on this team, like I don't want to

436
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,840
Speaker 3: be an active you know, I want to contribute. How

437
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 3: do I contribute? Well, I think I'm pretty solid in

438
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,639
Speaker 3: the passing game, but we already have two guys they

439
00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 3: trust more than me. You know, I've played more, just

440
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 3: like they've been healthy, they've played more. How do I

441
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,159
Speaker 3: get on the field like a block, And so like

442
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,800
Speaker 3: every day I started working on the sled and like

443
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,280
Speaker 3: my footwork and my pad level and working with Pat

444
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,399
Speaker 3: you know, I text s nakes sometimes and so just

445
00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,480
Speaker 3: like trying to get better so I can establis role

446
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,760
Speaker 3: when the opportunities come to be blocked and then what

447
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 3: does like mom talks about you know, good blocking is

448
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 3: rewarded and you get slipped versus Dallas for different stuff.

449
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 3: And so just trying to do everything I can to

450
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 3: like be prepared to help the team.

451
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Speaker 1: I just I commend you for kind of that that

452
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,359
Speaker 1: self is selfless outlook that you have, because it's not easy.

453
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, as you talked about the hernia, then you're

454
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 1: behind these other guys and now, oh wait, now I

455
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 1: have to totally change the kind of player I am right,

456
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 1: Like that is a tough thing to do. How did

457
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,879
Speaker 1: you you know? You say, oh, it was just my

458
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 1: avenue on the field, But like how do you kind

459
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: of keep at bay this? Like, man, now I'm like

460
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 1: giving up what I do best to do something I

461
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,640
Speaker 1: haven't really done, you know what I mean.

462
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 3: A lot of it comes back to like no, like

463
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 3: to come back to my faith and stuff. And like

464
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,440
Speaker 3: if this is like the cross I have to you're

465
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 3: saying it's across like you know, to have to transition,

466
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 3: that's not that big of a challenge. There's a lot

467
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 3: worse challenge. Just like as much as I I like

468
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 3: joke around stuff, like there's people who are like starving

469
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 3: and like people who like can't trying to find their

470
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 3: next me, like if me haven't changed. And first of all,

471
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 3: I do love blocking. It's fun, like a four minute

472
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 3: drill like where they can't stop. He was one of

473
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,239
Speaker 3: the most satisfying things in football, Like it's beautiful and

474
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 3: so I mean, obviously it's it's difficult, like and there's

475
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 3: times where I surely I want I mean, I'm a

476
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: I'm a human being. Of course there's times I want

477
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 3: the ball more, just like everyone does. But the biggest

478
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: thing is like reminding myself of like what can I control?

479
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 3: Like what can I control? And as long as I

480
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 3: focus on that and I can get better at these things,

481
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 3: I'm patient. I believe like my time will come in

482
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 3: the past game, and let's keep getting better at the

483
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 3: run game and just further down the career. Almost every

484
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 3: tight end who comes in the league is more of

485
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 3: a receiving guy because like that's like typically the ones

486
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 3: they see and they draft, so like a lot of

487
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: tight ends, I've had similar transactions, Like you know, Josh

488
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,439
Speaker 3: was all receiver too as much.

489
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Speaker 1: Right that sou I was gonna ask how much did

490
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: Josh's career trajectory rub off on you like seeing him go.

491
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: He was a big time receiver, yeah, big timeceiver, yeah,

492
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 1: and then turned into a very good for us. How

493
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: much did you lean on him and what lessons did

494
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: you take from him?

495
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: We trained together and office's after my first year too.

496
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 3: He's a good friend of mine. Yeah, I mean just

497
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: seeing that, it's like, well, shoot, like that's that's a

498
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: great option. I want to do that. And so I mean,

499
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 3: obviously it was a great to see him like gets

500
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 3: deservingly get paid and playing it for the Vikings. You know,

501
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: they're playing some playing heck of football right now right

502
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,479
Speaker 3: now in Minnesota. I know he's a big part of that.

503
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, of course it's big cool to see that

504
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 3: and be like, oh, shoot, maybe I can do something

505
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,479
Speaker 3: similar to that or whatever.

506
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So then you know, just kind of bring it

507
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 4: to present day, like now you're in this position where

508
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: you're doing the blocking, but then you're also making players

509
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 4: in the past game. I actually just saw the stat

510
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 4: from PFF that you're the top rated receiving tight end.

511
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 4: Do I have these the top tight end period, top

512
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 4: tight end period. It's the highest graded PFF tight end

513
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Speaker 4: in the league.

514
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Speaker 3: Sweet that's when you do it all for right, I

515
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 3: got demand the pay raise right now.

516
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: They weren't for the shoes thing we got.

517
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Speaker 3: That stuff is so fickle, like it's just it's a

518
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: small sample size, like it's weak for five. And I've

519
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: always curious how they even grade that stuff because like

520
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: they don't know our plays and so helps like two

521
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: my biggest completions, no one guards me, So I'm not

522
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: going to I'm not going to try to claim the

523
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: throne immediately. I'll just keep working day to day. But no,

524
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: that is cool. I did not know that is cool.

525
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, and just but just like when you're making when

526
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 5: now all that work, I.

527
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Speaker 3: Don't think I even can demand to pay raise. Just

528
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: anyone's listening, realize that, Like sometimes when I say things sarcastically,

529
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 3: and maybe people don't know me as well enough that

530
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm not like I am being sarcastic anything at all.

531
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 3: I will just be coming to work humbly, ready to

532
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: do my job. If anyone's listening, That's what I'm going

533
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: to do.

534
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Speaker 4: But like, how how rewarding is this right now? Like

535
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: just be like you're playing at a high level and

536
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: you're making big plays like this, thrilling game, and like

537
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 4: you have some of the biggest you know, there was

538
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 4: a lot of big plays in that game, but you

539
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: have some huge moments like in that game, like all

540
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 4: that to kind of not that that was the I mean,

541
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 4: it was kind of culmination, but it's not necessary. It's

542
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 4: not the end of the of the story, of course,

543
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 4: but like how rewarding is it to be able to

544
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 4: deliver in those big moments?

545
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's week six, so like I certainly, like

546
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: you said, it's really cool, but it's not. It's just

547
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 3: the beginning of the season and hopefully my journey. And

548
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: it was like, can't help but I take selfish pride

549
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: in doing that. You know, I'm proud of what I've done,

550
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 3: But I think what's more fun and he was just

551
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 3: a person accomplishment is like if you watch like how

552
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: our team celebrates together, it's pretty special, Like offense defense,

553
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: special teams, Like do you have a lot of guys

554
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: who are genuinely excited people make plays and so like

555
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: that makes it so much more fun. And so like

556
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: when I make a play and people are excited for me,

557
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 3: and then they make a play, I'm excited for them,

558
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 3: and vice like it's it's so fun, like that's that

559
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: like it is it is satisfying to like be done

560
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: with the game and you know, played well personally, but

561
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: nothing like truly feels was like happy and fulfilling as

562
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: a good team win like it just doesn't like there's

563
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: nothing like the locker room after a good win.

564
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: Well, you had the game ceiling block for Derrick Henry

565
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: or for Lamar's run in Dallas, right, we saw the

566
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: photo of the game.

567
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: I did trip on. I did trip on like Parsons,

568
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: But like I'm not going to get in the twitter

569
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 3: war about how I tripped.

570
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: Well, I gave you credit because you put it out there, didn't.

571
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: You tweeted the shot of you like getting I just

572
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: you're like airborne on the.

573
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: It comes back to like what's actually important? Like do

574
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: I care people like fun of me? No, Like I

575
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: know I'm doing my job, Like I know I got tripped.

576
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: I know I slowed him down a little bit.

577
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: So there you go.

578
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm at peace, Like I'm moving on.

579
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: That was that was well. I like that about you.

580
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: You know how to laugh at yourself and like have fun.

581
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: Got to you have to well and we got to

582
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: bring it back to, I think, really, what sparked this

583
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: great season that you're you're starting here is the corners.

584
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: Crazy the braids back that I went to my hairs

585
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: long enough they came out on the helmet the first time.

586
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: That's the question, right, is there a chance that.

587
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: I don't know? I mean, the biggest Okay, let's be honest.

588
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 3: The biggest person is to make sure Lamar likes him

589
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: because he's a quarterback. He did, he was a fan

590
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: of because he is the one choosing the targets and stuff.

591
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: But I actually I was pleasantly surprised, So I asked.

592
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: I said next to Justice in my meetings, and I

593
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: was talking to I'm like you because my hair is

594
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: like solidly curly. It's not like crazy you think I

595
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 3: can get rows because like in college, I tried this

596
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: dumb in college, I tried to get waves. I fel

597
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: like six, I'm serious. I was. It was during COVID

598
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: and we were all like, I was locked down and

599
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: everything I was talking about we're just working out. My

600
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: teammates and my hair like when it's like not like this,

601
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: it's pretty curly, like it gets pretty curly. I was

602
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: asking my teammates, like what are like the most like

603
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 3: just like I was like, what are ways? Like? What

604
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: causes like them? Today? He's like it's just like really

605
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: tight curls, you know, like kind of madded down stuff.

606
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, merge Lawrence White my close friends

607
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: in college. I was like, you didn't get them. I

608
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe I would to try it. So like

609
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: I got the whole thing, the new rag, the wave jail,

610
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: the brush, and I tried for like six months and

611
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: I think for like two hours of one day I

612
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: had some ripples. It was tough. But and so I

613
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: was like I don't, like I said, I don't take

614
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: myself too seriously, and I'm not like trying to like

615
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: make fun of anything. I just like want to see

616
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: if I can do it. I'm just genuinely curious. And

617
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: so then this offseason was letting the hair get pretty long,

618
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: and I saw it fast forward next Justice. I'm like, dude, like,

619
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: how do you think like because Justice has justice hair

620
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 3: as long. He's got great braids, like great, great designs.

621
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoo does your hair and he

622
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 3: gave me her number shout out as key at great

623
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: does a great job and uh, And I was like

624
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: have you ever done like white person's hair before you

625
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: knows I've done it, Like it's it's not like guys,

626
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Like I was calm and obviously, but I've done it.

627
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, you can try with mine. It

628
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: was the officeas I just wanting to think much about it.

629
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: I was stoked. I thought she did a great job.

630
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: She made me look pretty solid forever, and I was

631
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: like incredibly pleased with how she did so hopefully, but

632
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: the problem was my hair is so short in the

633
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: moment that as soonously wore how much OTAs it came

634
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: out like that. So I'm hoping it gets long enough

635
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: and I can try it again. But also, like as

636
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: much as I like say stupid stuff and everything, like,

637
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: I'm not like genuinely I didn't do it to like

638
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: draw attention to myself, like I genuinely didn't, like I

639
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: knew it was going to but like I generally just

640
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: wanted to see if I could do it, Like I

641
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: want to see how I would look, and then that's

642
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 3: all the more. The next day you want to store shooting,

643
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: so this is gone, but it's all good fun. I mean,

644
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: I just wanted to see how it looks, and I

645
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: was getting. She did a great job.

646
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 5: I think Lamar liked it. I think that passed.

647
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: I saw the video the photo.

648
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 5: That photo is pretty that it resurfaced a lot is

649
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 5: weekend because.

650
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 3: I know my friends like send me down. I'm like,

651
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: that's from a long time ago. But like I saw

652
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 3: that because Maddie was out here for the picness too,

653
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: and we saw that. We would die because it's so

654
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: like it's such a perfect like encapitulation, like people's reactions

655
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: this giant white guys up with I'm like, I do

656
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: remember though. My first day I got him, I was

657
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: I was golfing with like Kyle and I think Tyler Marlowe.

658
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: And when we got done, I stop at the gas

659
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: station to get gas and I walk in and there's

660
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: just like middle aged black lady with her kid and

661
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: she looks at me. She looks, I like your hair.

662
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: And I was so stoked. I'm telling you, like it

663
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: was so genuine and she just said it, and I

664
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: was like, dude, that's cool. And so I was pretty

665
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: fun because she said that, and that was like all

666
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 3: the vindication I needed. Yeah, I'm I don't know, I

667
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: don't take myself too serious.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it cool. Well, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Charlie. Best of luck the rest of the season, Looking

671
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: forward to a lot more plays and the return to

672
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: the corner.

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Speaker 4: Maybe guys, welcome back into the Lounge podcast. We're coming

674
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: to you from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want

675
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: to mention our partners at Draftking Sportsbook. They are an

676
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draftking Sportsbook.

677
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 4: The Crown is yours. So, I mean, Charlie is a

678
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: super entertaining guy.

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00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: I think we got to know him a little bit better.

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00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and fans, you know, we see it in the

681
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: locker room, like he's just a funny dude and like

682
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: gets along with everybody's unique cat and like, you gotta

683
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: love that about him. So it was cool to introduce

684
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: him to fans more.

685
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, like after his press conference, there's a locker room

686
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 4: interview on Sunday after the game, there's a lot of

687
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: buzz about him. But he had a great game and

688
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: he had these hilarious quotes. People are like, Charlie Cohler,

689
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: who's this guy? He's funny, Like, I like this guy.

690
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: And so we started to get some kind of nationwide

691
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: attention after that. But he's somebody that has been quietly

692
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: working and you're starting to see, as we said to him,

693
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: like his personality shine. He's a funny guy, smart guy,

694
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: and it was entertaining just to get to know him

695
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: a little bit better. And I think he's going to

696
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: continue to make some plays for this team. I think

697
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: he's an important guy.

698
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, he's in a very important role, you know,

699
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of obviously a lot of attension goes

700
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: on Mark and Isaiah and they're fantastic tight ends, but.

701
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: It's really the trio.

702
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: And when I've had conversations with Mark and with Isaiah,

703
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: they're like, look, Charlie Kohler is a really good player,

704
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: Like do not forget about Charlie when you're talking about

705
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: our tight ends, you know, like he Mark specifically told me,

706
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Charlie Cohler is going to go and have a long

707
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: career in this league. Like you watch right and to

708
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: that point, you saw Josh Oliver, like he said, got

709
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: paid by the Vikings, like you know, and when you're

710
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: when you can establish yourself as a blocker, and he's

711
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: worked really hard to get better at that part of

712
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: his game, the receiving skills haven't gone anywhere, you know,

713
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: so like, if you can do both, man, you can

714
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: really have a long, productive career in this league. And

715
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Speaker 1: I think Charlie Will, we should have told him about

716
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: during training camp when he was catching a bunch of

717
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: balls in practice.

718
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: And you were doing you were giving the feed.

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Speaker 4: I told you, then I told you. I completely forgot

720
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: about that until you just mentioned it. Kohler, I was

721
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: ahead of the curve on that one.

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Speaker 5: I Will.

723
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Speaker 4: One of the things has always struck me about him

724
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: is like if you're watching the pide, like he's a

725
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 4: big guy.

726
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: You just see him. He looks the part he takes

727
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 5: the field.

728
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: And like he's tall, he's long, Like he is a

729
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: physically imposing guy, which is part of the reason why

730
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: he's working out so well as a blocker, in addition

731
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: to the receiving aspect. But I'm just like, I remember

732
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: the first time he really took the field that rookie

733
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 4: season after dealing with the injury, and You're like, oh,

734
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 4: this guy looks like he can play, like we'll see,

735
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: but like he looks like it, and and so I've

736
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: always been intrigued with him from that standpoint.

737
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 5: And now we're starting to see it under fruition.

738
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very neat.

739
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: So he also gave us the great segue to our

740
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: next guest. Yes, the Ravens Team clinician Tricia Bent Goodly. Yeah,

741
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: and so we are going to bring her on. We didn't,

742
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, not.

743
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Going to be able to ask her about Charlie.

744
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: There's a client privileges we can't do that, but we're

745
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: going to talk to her about her job behind the

746
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: scenes of this organization.

747
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: Well, Ravens fans, we are now really excited to be

748
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: joined by the Ravens Team clinician, doctor Trisha Bent Goodley.

749
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: And we are just so excited to have you joining

750
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 4: us here today on World Mental Health Day, and this

751
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: is this is your arena, and so we wanted to

752
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: have you on the podcast today to talk about the

753
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: work that you do for our organization with our players.

754
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 4: So just to kind of kick things off, can you

755
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: describe what it is that you do your role here

756
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: with the organization.

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00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, thank you first for having me. I appreciate

758
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 6: that today is a really great day. I think what

759
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 6: I love most about being here is that we pay

760
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 6: attention to mental health every single day. But it's great

761
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 6: to be able to highlight it on World Mental Health Day. Specifically,

762
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 6: this is my tenth season as the team clinician, and

763
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 6: what I essentially do is I provide the mental health,

764
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 6: emotional health and wellness supports to our players, our coaches,

765
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: and our staff. So that looks like everything from providing

766
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 6: therapy to providing mental health education, working with our team

767
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 6: if there's a mental health crisis. We work together in

768
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 6: our Health and Wellness Committee. So I'm a part of

769
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 6: that committee and have an opportunity to work across all

770
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 6: disciplines just to ensure that there is support for emotional

771
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 6: and mental health issues across our organization. So I'm really

772
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 6: excited to be able to offer that every single day

773
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: of the week to our players, coaches, and staff.

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00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: That's awesome, specifically on World Mental Health Day and the

775
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: week leading up to it. Are there any special things

776
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: that you're doing with the team.

777
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 6: So we've done a few things leading up up to

778
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 6: World Mental Health Day yesterday. Actually we had some wonderful

779
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 6: dogs here to do some a little bit of dogs,

780
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 6: you know, therapeutic dogs that could be here with our

781
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 6: players and our coaches and our staff as well. You

782
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 6: got some good time.

783
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 5: So I did too.

784
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 6: I did too, and I absolutely loved it, and so

785
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 6: that was a wonderful opportunity to just be able to

786
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: have that resource here in the building. We did a

787
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 6: gratitude wall for the players, will offer some education and

788
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 6: support around wellness for World Mental Health Day, the theme

789
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 6: of which is to prioritize mental health in the workplace.

790
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: So we'll have a really great conversation about what Raven's

791
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 6: wellness means. And so just kind of did a range

792
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 6: of different kinds of things just to begin to again

793
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 6: as part of creating mental health awareness, but also just

794
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: really talking about what wellness looks like for us here

795
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 6: in this environment.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's over the past decade or so,

797
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: mental health and sports has started to become a much

798
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: larger piece of a conversation. And we've on the podcast

799
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 4: had lots of conversations about our players in the conversations

800
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: with you and others in this space. How have you

801
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: seen this focus grow over the last you know, decade.

802
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: You know, I would say that one of the things

803
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 6: I've seen is that our young people come here already

804
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: having been introduced to the world of mental health and

805
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 6: feeling a little bit more willing to talk about it,

806
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 6: and I honestly think part of that is the aftermath

807
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 6: of COVID, you know, I think that time period was

808
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 6: really tough for a lot of people, and one of

809
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: the things I think that we see now are folks

810
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: being able to have that conversation a little bit more freely.

811
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 6: I mean, certainly there's still mental health stigma, and that's

812
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 6: why having days like this are so important. At the

813
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 6: same time, you know, I'm a believer that so much

814
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 6: is driven from our young people, our players, who come

815
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 6: here ready and prepared to have that conversation and talking

816
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 6: more freely about what they may have going on, so

817
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 6: that we can be a good resource and support to them.

818
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 6: So I just think that, you know, there's a lot

819
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 6: that's happened in the world. The world has changed a

820
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 6: little bit around this topic, and I'm excited that our players,

821
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 6: especially are out talking about it openly. I love that.

822
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

823
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: I think the work that you're doing is really awesome,

824
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: and I love to learn more about people's jobs and

825
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: like what goes into their typical workday. Right, So I guess, first,

826
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, what does a game day look like for you?

827
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 6: So for game day for me, I am, you know,

828
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 6: making sure that I have some touch point with the

829
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 6: majority of our players, whether that is on a text

830
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 6: or on the field. So pre game, just being available

831
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 6: talking to guys, just just being a resource to them

832
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 6: before our game. And that's whether we're here or if

833
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: we're on the road, you know, just being able to

834
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 6: be present and available to them if they need anything.

835
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 6: And then also I try to say speaking into them

836
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 6: during you know, ahead of game day, just to be

837
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 6: an encouraging voice. And then and then after game, you know,

838
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 6: after the game being available. I think the only thing

839
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 6: that might be a little bit different is, you know,

840
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 6: if there's something that happens on the field that would

841
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 6: require my support, then I will be available to them

842
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 6: in the locker room so that they have that additional

843
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 6: support there. For example, if a player gets hurt, I'll

844
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 6: be there, and if a family member needs support around that,

845
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 6: then I'll be there to support them too. So so

846
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 6: just you know, for me, my days are planned, but

847
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 6: at the same time, whatever kind of happens, I just

848
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 6: kind of move into it. And that's what it's like

849
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 6: for me on game day two. I don't necessarily know

850
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 6: what I'm walking into, but we're going to go for

851
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 6: it and make the best of whatever the situation is.

852
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: And do you find that players most often come to

853
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: you for on field help or off field kind of life.

854
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 6: Help the gamut, you know, the gamut. I think that

855
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 6: one of the things about this role is you really

856
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 6: have to be able to move in either of those spaces.

857
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 6: We are there to be a support, whether it is

858
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 6: around life issues, whether that's something that has been planned

859
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: or an emergency that comes up, and also there to

860
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: help support, you know, in terms of their mental performance

861
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 6: and providing them with mental skills training as well. So

862
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 6: just really offering the gamut of what it looks like

863
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 6: for wellness across the continuum.

864
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's it's interesting because you know, fans

865
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: may see photos of you or video of you on

866
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: the sidelines either before games or at practice even you know,

867
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: I think it's that's one of the things that I

868
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: think is really cool is that you're you're often in

869
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: the mix in these moments, in these situations, and when

870
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Speaker 4: we go out to practice here in a little bit,

871
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: you know.

872
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 5: You'll be out there. What are you when you're watching practice?

873
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 4: You know, like, what do you we look at it

874
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: from a from a media, I like, what are you

875
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 4: looking at it from your standpoint and how do you

876
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: try to use those observations to help you and coaching

877
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 4: these players on mental health.

878
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 6: So I think for me, I always say I'm not

879
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 6: there studying everybody like, oh no, But for me, I

880
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 6: do I do pay attention to how a guy might

881
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 6: react in a play, or I pay attention I do

882
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 6: pay attention to body language. Actually, I kind of have

883
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 6: a sense of how our players move and if and

884
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 6: if there's a diversion from that, then I'm gonna probably

885
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 6: reach out and just say, hey, can we just chat

886
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 6: and then I'll share what I observed And if I'm off,

887
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 6: then you know I'm way off. But for the most part,

888
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: I've been pretty pretty accurate in those moments. So I

889
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 6: use it as a time just to to see what

890
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 6: the energy is like and what kind of messaging that

891
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: I should be providing and offering through the week as

892
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 6: a support and a resource. But yeah, during practice, I'm

893
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 6: kind of paying attention to all of those things and

894
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 6: checking in if need be.

895
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: Interesting, and it's it's kind of like an overarching approach,

896
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: right Like coaches are coaching the players on the techniques

897
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: and the x'es and o's and our strength and conditioning

898
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: staff are getting their bodies. You know, in peak physical condition.

899
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: You're working on the mental side of things. You know,

900
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: in your opinion, in your line of work, how important

901
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: is the mental side of football?

902
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we have a podcast that we offer to

903
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 6: the players, and one of the things that that always

904
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: starts with is I always say, you know, if our

905
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 6: play is eighty five is eighty five percent, If the

906
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 6: mental part of our play is eighty five percent of

907
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 6: the game, then we're going to go ahead and tackle

908
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 6: that right. And I don't know if I have like

909
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 6: an exact percentage, but what I will say is that

910
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 6: there's an intricate interplay and that's why being able to

911
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 6: work collaboratively is so important. So you hear me say

912
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 6: a lot our and wei uh. There's only one team

913
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 6: clinician that's me. But I feel like mental health is

914
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 6: an important part of all of the work that we do.

915
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 6: So our Health and Wellness Committee, which includes everyone on

916
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 6: the football site that touches our players, it's an opportunity

917
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 6: for us to collaborate and work together because sometimes there's

918
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 6: just a connection between the body and the mind and

919
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 6: it's important for us to work collaboratively to help support

920
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 6: that player wherever it is that they're at. And so

921
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 6: I think there's definitely a connection. And I don't know.

922
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say that there's a percentage because I think

923
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 6: it could look different for people at different times in

924
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 6: their lives, at different times.

925
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: That's mental too, though, right.

926
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 6: But I think it's really just about making sure that

927
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 6: we're collaborating, we're working together to support the total wellness

928
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 6: of our players, and that's the approach that we take.

929
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 6: That's why I always say we in our because I

930
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 6: think mental health is something we all have to own

931
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 6: in different ways.

932
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: It's awesome, you know, it's been really cool. You're often

933
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: involved on some company wide initiatives, oftentimes around tragedy or

934
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: difficult moments, and people turn to you for support and

935
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: guidance and advice and a listening year and all those things.

936
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: And you've been pretty impactful when we've had some hard times,

937
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: you know, in recent years, which is really significant.

938
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 5: And also good times as well. Of course, it's not

939
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 5: just the hard times.

940
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: But where do you for you like, when you look

941
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: at things moving forward, like where do you see mental

942
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: health in sports going in the future, given all that

943
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: it's grown to get to this point.

944
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 6: I think that we meaning just how we look at sport.

945
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 6: And incidentally, since you mentioned this is Pro Athlete Mental

946
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 6: Health Awareness Week and that started October third, ends on

947
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 6: October tenth on World Mental Health Day, and brings attention

948
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 6: to just what mental health looks like across sport. And

949
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 6: one of the things that I would say about about

950
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 6: this initiative, it's a collaboration between NFL Total Wellness and

951
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 6: NBA Mind Health, and then you know other professional organizations

952
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 6: that sports organizations that collaborate. I think that we have

953
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 6: to build a mental health infrastructure, right, we have to

954
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 6: build an environment where mental health, where mental health friendly.

955
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 6: I think our athletes demand that in a lot of ways.

956
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 6: Now they're much more aware, they're much more open, and

957
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 6: they're wanting to see an infrastructure and a support team

958
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 6: that's there to support their mental wellness. And so I

959
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: think as we move forward sport, different sport organizations are

960
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 6: going to really have to begin to work through whatever

961
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 6: their stigma might be around mental health to be able

962
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 6: to offer those resources. I think there's still some people

963
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 6: who feel like if someone shares that they have a

964
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 6: mental health challenge, they're not as strong, or they're not

965
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 6: as focused, or they won't be as great as they're

966
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 6: in their craft. And what we know really is that

967
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: as we approach the wellness of athletes right, they can

968
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 6: be even that much more productive, that much better at

969
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 6: their craft, that much more able to accomplish. And so

970
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 6: I think that we, you know, meaning our again, you know,

971
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 6: as we look at World Mental Health Day in sport,

972
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 6: we have to reconsider how we think about mental health.

973
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 6: I'm grateful because my role here was solidified in twenty fifteen,

974
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 6: which was four years before the CBA required every club

975
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 6: to have a team clinician. I'm one of a few

976
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 6: full time team clinicians in the league, and I think

977
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 6: what I love about being here in our tough days

978
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 6: right and in our great moments, is that there is

979
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 6: support for mental health and what I do here, I

980
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 6: don't feel like there's that stigma. I don't have to

981
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 6: balance that. I just have to show up and offer

982
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 6: the best that I can on any given day.

983
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I love.

984
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: That's great. Great, Well, I'm going to have to get

985
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: some time on your schedule because I've had to deal

986
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: with this guy for thirsty.

987
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: They're in a good I think it's a good Bryth.

988
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.

989
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: Thank you Doct Trish appreciated well, really good conversation with

990
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: doctor Trish. You know, she's somebody here who's an important

991
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: person behind the scenes. Uh has the trust of a

992
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: lot of players and staff and everybody. And it was

993
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 4: good to just learn about her role, exactly what goes

994
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: into it and just the importance of it in this organization.

995
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: It's neat, you know oftentimes not oftentimes, but sometimes you

996
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: go down the cap tear and you just see her

997
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: in a player or hert a couple of players and

998
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: they're just you know, and and you see definitely the

999
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: players value her and and what she brings, the resources

1000
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: that she brings to the table. It's it's it's a

1001
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: very big deal for teams that I think a lot

1002
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: of fans probably don't recognize.

1003
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, so again, this is World Mental Health Day. So

1004
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: I really enjoy the conversation with doctor Trish. And there's

1005
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: a big game coming up on Sunday and we're really

1006
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 4: excited about that. Raven's Commander's one o'clock a m andt.

1007
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: Banks Staiti on the Battle of the Beltway.

1008
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 5: It's gonna be at the belt Ways now two belt ways.

1009
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 5: Its true.

1010
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: There we go.

1011
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

1012
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: Welcome, But that game is coming up on Sunday and

1013
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: we are going to do our full preview podcast coming

1014
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: out on Friday morning. We're really diving to the specifics

1015
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: of that game. So that's it for us here on

1016
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: the podcast today, but as always, you can email us

1017
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.

1018
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with

1019
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Speaker 5: you tomorrow.