1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network where we offer you podcasts of 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now for Shades 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and opinions 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, and 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, I 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out employees of premier 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on the 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey to 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. On each episode 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: ones have survived physical and so will be welcome to 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Back in episode forty seven, we 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: talked to a lady who would get very clear messages 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: from the afterlife in her dreams. So I thought we 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: could dig a little deeper in our conversation today, I'm 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: curious about you. Have you had loved ones show up 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: in your dreams. Do you brush them off that they 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: were just a dream, or do you feel like they 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: were really signs from them. I've done a bit of 23 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: research into dreams, as I've had bunches of nightmares in 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: my life. The best explanation I've heard is that in 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: dreams we work out emotions that are things we're dealing 26 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: with in our daily life. Source sub conscious mind is 27 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: just trying to work them all out. For instance, I've 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: had fearful dreams that I'm driving up a very steep 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: hill and I don't think I'm going to make it. 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: I've also had dreams that hundreds of people show up 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: for dinner and I haven't even begun to start cooking yet. 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: When I wake up, I know they're just dreams. And 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: in my life there are things that I'm fearful of, 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: or that I feel worried about that I can't get done, 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: that feeling of overwhelmed. So I simply just brush it off. 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: It's my subconscious mind, and I roll over and go 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: back to sleep. But dream visitations from loved ones are 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: something completely different. They feel clear, real, you feel love, 39 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: and you remember them clearly. They are one way of 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: our loved ones to let us know that they're okay 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: and that they still live on I've spoken with several 42 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: people who have had a clear dream about a loved 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: one that is still alive, or they think they're still alive. 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: They've woken up to look at the clock, only to 45 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: find out later that that precise loved one has passed 46 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: at that exact time. Personally, I rarely have dreams of 47 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: my loved ones who have passed. Sometimes they do, but 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: they aren't clear, and sometimes they're not positive. And when 49 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: that happens, it's still part of our subconscious mind trying 50 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: to work things out. It's easy to remember that if 51 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: you have a positive, loving, and clear dream, that's our 52 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: loved one from the afterlife. If you have a negative 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: dream where you're feeling bad and it's hard to remember, well, 54 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: that's our subconscious mind. It is said by many that 55 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: when we sleep, our ethereal body travels back home, visits 56 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: with our loved ones in the afterlife, and remembers who 57 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: we really are, souls having a human experience. And the 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: reason we don't remember it is that if we did, 59 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: we'd want to stay there with them. But this life 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: is valuable. There's much to do and There's much to 61 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: learn and much to experience, so the place for us 62 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: is here for now, Today, I want to introduce you 63 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: to Lewis Monaro and into the conversation about out of 64 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: body experiences and the afterlife. I've had a handful of 65 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: experiences in my life knowing that I'm still just lying 66 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: in bed ready to go to sleep, but I felt 67 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: like I was transported to another place, like flying over 68 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: the mountains and feeling the wind on my face. These 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: kind of experiences are as vivid and real as the 70 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: life I'm experiencing right now. They don't last long, though, 71 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: because the moment I realized like, oh my gosh, this 72 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: is cool, the experience just goes away. When my mind 73 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: kicks in, everything disappears. I also had a time where 74 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I was just about to take a nap, lying in bed, 75 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: and I started seeing my grandmother's face clear as clear 76 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: could be, and I also heard beautiful piano music in 77 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: the background, and again when my mind kicked in that 78 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: this was so cool, she disappeared. Was this a lucid dream? 79 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: Was it an out of body experience? Was I astro traveling? 80 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Can we create these experiences to reconnect with a loved one. 81 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: Meet Louis Monaro. He is the global director of Education 82 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: for International Academy of Consciousness and you can find out 83 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: more at I a C world dot org. Hi Lewis, Hi, 84 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm great. Thank you so much 85 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: for the opportunity. Really a pleasure. Oh absolutely. Could you 86 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: talk just a little bit about yourself when happened? Actually 87 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: in my cases that I had my first out party experience, 88 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: which was involuntarily spontaneous when I was twelve, And at 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: that time I didn't know that there was a name 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: for it or you know, techniques or anything. Really, I 91 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: just had it that it was pretty obvious that I 92 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: was outside my body. What do you mean, can you 93 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: just be a little more specific? Sure, I can. The 94 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: experience I was in my bedroom and I actually had 95 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: at that time, this was in the early eighties, I 96 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: had a computer. Maybe listeners are going to laugh at this, 97 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: but the brand was Atari, So it's not the game actually, 98 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: but it was. It was an actual computer that had 99 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: a basic you know, the programming language. And I used 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: to come home from school and you know, um full 101 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: around with the two little programs, you know, at that age, 102 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: really just a kid playing with the computer. And that 103 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: afternoon I actually became sleepy and I went to you know, 104 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: it was in my bedroom, so I lie down in 105 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: my bed, and maybe about half an hour later, I 106 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: remember I was staring at the screen still with my 107 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: hands on the keyboard, the way I would always spend 108 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: sometimes a time thinking about the program. And after a while, 109 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: it's sort of like dawn on me that I remember 110 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: having gone to bed, And when I realized this, I 111 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: turned around and I saw my my body in the bed, 112 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: and I immediately went into the body. I was a 113 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: little surprised. I woke up and I realized I was 114 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: out there, but I was here, but I was out there, 115 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: so I really couldn't make sense of it. But it 116 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: was very obvious for me that I had been outside 117 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: my body. But the experience was, you know, so normal, 118 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: so natural, and I think probably after that somebody called 119 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: me to go play soccer, and I just completely forgot it, 120 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 1: you know, just like any any kid that is into 121 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: a hundred different things. But then I kept having them 122 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: more or less every not not too often, you know, 123 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: every eight months, every year, every year and a half 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: or so. I even remember maybe when I was around 125 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: fifteen or so, sixteen, even sometimes I think I wish 126 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: I can have that type of like cool dream. I 127 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: guess I really didn't even know what to call them. 128 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until I was maybe like sixteen or 129 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: seventeen that I read the first book on it. Then 130 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: then that author explained that, you know, he called it 131 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: astral travel, and he had a couple of the chniques 132 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: and everything, and really since I had them since since 133 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: an early age, even though I studied chemistry, which sometimes 134 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: people think that it's a little bit contradictory, you know 135 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: that the scientific mind, you know, with the spiritual experiences, 136 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: so to speak, in my perspective, is not a contradiction 137 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: at all. The fact that you know, we can have 138 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: these experiences and that we can develop these experiences doesn't 139 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: mean we need to lose our our logic, our discernment, 140 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, our our associations of ideas, and actually that 141 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: even helps outside about it because we keep them being 142 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: very grounded, very stable, and you know, always questioning things, 143 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: being a healthy skeptic. You know, even though we we 144 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: do a certain amount of research and we try to 145 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: provide you know, more like the conventional data about the 146 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: art of party experiences, what we have seen. Really is 147 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: that what helps people more, especially in the sense of 148 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: the idea of proof, is that when they have the 149 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: out of party experience, you know, even if the reports 150 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: or the amount of conventional data hasn't accumulated enough for 151 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, the scientific community to conclude that, you know, 152 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: the out of party experiences are real for the person, 153 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: it's already real. The person doesn't need to wait, you know, 154 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: ten or twenty years, you know, for for that consensus 155 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: to be arrived at, so we see the benefits that 156 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: come to them, you know, by having an out of 157 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: party experience. Yes, every person I've spoken to who has 158 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: had a near death experience or has been with a 159 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: loved one at the moment of death, and you know, 160 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: sometimes the loved ones can actually see through the veil 161 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: and they's so awesome that they leave the person living 162 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: a different kind of life. So that's what it sounds like, 163 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,359 Speaker 1: is you know, when people have the out of body experience, 164 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: it's like they wake up to some new reality and 165 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: then they can they don't have to wait for the 166 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: consensus to come twenty years later that oh yeah, that's true, um, 167 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: And it causes them to have afferent kind of life. So, 168 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: coming from your analytical background and out of body experiences, 169 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: how would you describe your thoughts about life after death 170 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: and that we don't die. We have thoughts on that, Yeah, 171 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: I would first of all, I would agree on the 172 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: percent we certain don't die. You know. The meaning the 173 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: physical body is certainly is the activates. You know it 174 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: it goes away. The physical body is like you know, 175 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: like a machine, like a vehicle, like a car after 176 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: so many miles, and there aren't an offer spare part 177 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: I guess too to put in there. You know that 178 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: the vehicle gets tired, and you know it passes away. 179 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: But we, you know, aus the essence, the soul, the 180 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: spirit or the consciousness as we call it, we keep 181 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: on leaving. We keep on having experiences. We can, just 182 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: like in near death experience, as we can meet these relatives, 183 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: we can encounter other spiritual beings, and we are back 184 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: in this astral or spiritual planes or dimensions from where 185 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: we came from. In essence. Something that is interesting about 186 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: the art party experience, of course, is that the person, 187 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: just like in the need in the case of the 188 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: nearest experience, the person can have the experience verify this 189 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: on their own and then come back and continue living 190 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: their life without necessarily having you know, uh, fear of 191 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: death or hesitation because of this, you know, future transition 192 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: into those realms. Wow, when we are in an Earth 193 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: party experience, we feel as aware as conscious as the 194 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: waking condition to right now. Even sometimes you know, in 195 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: our in our classes, to our students, I I sort 196 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: of like joking but also trying to put this question 197 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: out to them for them to see the difference. You know, 198 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: I tell them at this moment, for example, that you're 199 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: listening to our class or even to our listeners at 200 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: this moment. You know, when whenever they listen to this 201 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: conversation here between us, you know, they can think, you know, 202 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: am I dreaming this, uh this show that I am 203 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: hearing or am I aware a wake of it? Then 204 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: of course I'm sure nobody's going to need to pinch themselves. 205 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: They all know that they are awake and aware and 206 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: then in this same condition, exactly in the same condition 207 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: we find ourselves outside the body. When we're having a classical, 208 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: typical obb we don't really confuse it with a dream, 209 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: and we don't really confuse it also with being awake. 210 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: We know that we are in some different kinds of state, 211 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: but very conscious, very very loose it And that, by 212 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: the way, is something that you know, can be developed, 213 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: can be learned. You know. It's it's a little bit 214 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: like a sport or like developing any skill. It's it's 215 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: a matter of yeah, it's a matter of receiving some information, 216 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: training ourselves, and the capacity goals on developing a little 217 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: by little, like learning how to read, really or how 218 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: to ride a bicycle. Although, as we're going to find 219 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: out more after the break, you're listening to Shades of 220 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 221 00:12:53,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Coast Day at para normal podcast network. 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I'm Sanders Champlain and we are 249 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: here with out of body experience researcher and specialist Lewis 250 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Manaro and Lewis. Before the break, you were talking about 251 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: out of body experiences being something that's trainable. I know, 252 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: I've interviewed a ton of people who have had near 253 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: death experiences, and those they know are real. They have 254 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: wonderful experiences, but they go through something really horrible for 255 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: their bodies. And so it's really nice to hear that 256 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: you can train people to have out of body experiences, 257 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: because when we get that little taste of we're more 258 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: than our body, our mind, how can we have just 259 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: experienced something like this? Suddenly it makes sense that the 260 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: afterlife can be real, that we are more than who 261 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: we think we are, and that our life is for 262 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: our purpose. Yes, yes, absolutely, And you know we obviously 263 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: also try to to study as much as we can 264 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: or to gather as much information as we can of 265 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: the near death experience. But um, you know, I sometimes 266 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: also sort of joke with the students in the class 267 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: and I tell them I promise we try and near 268 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: that experiences. The out of body experiences, you know, are 269 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: a little bit easier to control and let's say a 270 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: little bit safer. Sure, you know I was when I 271 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: was watching the video on YouTube. I thought it was 272 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: going to be real clinical and everything, and then you know, 273 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: make a few jokes, and I thought, I like this 274 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: guy because it can be a heavy subject or something 275 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: that we don't really understand, but you you put it 276 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: into regular language and um, and you're very real and 277 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: very caring. So how would someone I mean, obviously we 278 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: can go to the I a C. Website, but I 279 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: want to learn more about of body experience? How how 280 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: can we learn more? Is something we need to go 281 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: away to take a course in? Is it something we 282 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: can get a book on? Yes, definitely. You know there 283 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: are books. I certainly have have my book, you know, 284 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: they mystifying the out of body experience that you know, 285 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: people can can purchase, you know, Amason anywhere really d 286 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: I C. We also give classes, you know, all over 287 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: the world. Really, you know, I'm here in California, so 288 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: we give classes in Los Angeles in the Bay Area, 289 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: but also on the coast in New York and Florida, London, Australia, really, Germany, Spain. 290 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Certain people can can contact us, and we also give 291 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: online classes where you know, we are able to get 292 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: to more people. For example, people in cities where they're 293 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: not that close to the to an icy center. But 294 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: and what we do is we of course give them 295 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: all the instructions and we then we leave sort of 296 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: like a lot of the techniques and the exercises as homework. 297 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: And then the following day we are you know, asking 298 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: them how did they go, and trying to give them 299 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: instructions and ideas on how to improve, and we go 300 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: on like that, you know, so that they they're able 301 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: to again to develop their own their own abilities. Um. 302 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: You know, in that phrase of course, don't believe in anything, 303 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: experiment of your own experience is one of the biggest intentions. 304 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: I guess behind that phrases that what we're trying is 305 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: so that they developed their own experiences so that they 306 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: don't really have to believe in anything, not even in us, 307 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: but so that they can really have their own direct 308 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: observations and see, you know, um, this these realities that 309 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: we are such a part of really yeah, I think 310 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: within even religion, whatever is that we're interested in, once 311 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: we can find our own beliefs, it's like then we 312 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: can have our own faith in something. And so to 313 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: give people that experience their own personal experience, they know 314 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: what to believe in. And now the fact that I've 315 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: had these experiences, my whole life has changed, my whole 316 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: reason for being has changed. My urge to make a 317 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: difference with a like my life has gotten better, and 318 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: my urge to help my fellow man has been there 319 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: and it's been a whole heck of a lot more 320 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: fun as well. Yes, I was just going to second 321 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: that because for us, you know, certain there's the research aspect, 322 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: that scientific aspert you know, all the things that we 323 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: need to do in society, you know, to sussist. But 324 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: on our opinion, you know, one of the best application 325 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: uses of any capacity is precisely this to help to 326 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: to help others, you know, to improve their life. And 327 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, this is really why we do it. We 328 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: at the i C. We're all volunteers, so we we 329 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: do this because we see the benefit that comes, you know, 330 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: to two people, you know, when they learn this or 331 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: and whoren they access this information. Have you seen people's 332 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: lives change because they've discovered our body experiences and experiences, Yes, yes, 333 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: I certainly have. And also you know some people, of 334 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: course their lives changed quite a bit and they didn't 335 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: know too much about it before other people. Sometimes they 336 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: have had experiences that they are not able to understand, 337 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: and you know, when they come they obviously now they 338 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: can understand them and they can produce them a little 339 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: bit more. So it helps them also, you know with 340 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: many things like for example, again even that the main 341 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: topic here, you know, overcoming the fear of death. You know, 342 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: also encountering relatives that have already passed away, understanding better 343 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: what was their initial intention for coming into this physical life, 344 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: meaning what was it that they had planned for themselves 345 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: their life mentioned their life purpose, and that as well 346 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: gives a lot of sense and meaning to their activities 347 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: here in the daily they in the daily life. Can 348 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit more about both of those. 349 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we have myself included, uh and our listeners 350 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: with many of us have experienced severe loss of a 351 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: loved one. And with experience studies that you've done, do 352 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: you find that many people do see their loved ones 353 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: when they've had into experience. I've talked to both kinds 354 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: of people. Some people see are out in the universe, 355 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: some just see colors, some just see darkness. And are 356 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: there those that do experience their loved ones? Yes, yes, absolutely, 357 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: so there are both kinds, you know, the kind that 358 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: certainly the experiences a little bit more abstract, maybe I 359 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: could say, in the other ones where they actually they're 360 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: met by a group of people, some of them they 361 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: don't recognize. But among those there are you know, some 362 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: relatives that have already passed away and who communicate different 363 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: things to them, give them different messages, etcetera, etcetera. So so, yes, 364 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: we we certainly have have seen cases like that. And 365 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, with the out of party experiences as well, 366 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, you can your body and you can find 367 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, certain relatives of yours that have already passed away. Really, yes, 368 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: that's certainly has happened to me, you know, so um 369 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: so yes, And I'm not you know alone here. You know, 370 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: several of my colleagues, students, and you know, different people 371 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: have already had experiences with relatives you know, that had 372 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: already passed away. That is phenomenal. One of the things 373 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: that we that we say that maybe might go along 374 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: very well with this, uh with the purpose of the show, 375 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: is you know, we we realize with all these uh 376 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: different types of experiences and studies that we really don't 377 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: lose anybody and I say this because sometimes a big 378 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: sense of um, like the fear of death, comes from 379 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: the sense of loss and of separations, and really, in essence, 380 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: we we don't we don't we When we have our 381 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: party experiences or when people eventually pass away, you know, 382 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: you go back and you go and your encounter all 383 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: of these individuals you know, that have had moved to 384 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: the non physical reality a little bit before you. You know, 385 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: it's almost like moving to another city of sorts, and 386 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: they are all there that you know, all the dear ones. 387 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: And if you allow me to make a little bit 388 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: of a joke here, and sometimes besides all the relatives 389 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: that we really miss that we go and we were encounter. 390 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: Also we go out and we see all the ones 391 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: that we would have hoped not to encounter again. So 392 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: so that cousin, you know that we really didn't want 393 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: to invite to the Christmas party, he's also there. Everybody 394 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: is there. You know. If I'm of the hope that 395 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: some people get a little bit wiser when they cross over. 396 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: And I know we retain our personalities, but I'd like 397 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: to thank the main cousin is kind of a little 398 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: bit nicer. Yes, yes, yes, yes, but what you mentioned 399 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: is correct. You know, we we do retain our personality. 400 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: We are us, we ourselves and uh, you know, and 401 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: we we find our relatives and we realize they are 402 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: also themselves. Of course, that's one of the main reasons 403 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: why people do or want to learn, you know, the 404 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: ovies because of the encountering of loved ones. And you know, 405 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: even with the with the idea of the verification. Something 406 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: interesting about the art of body experiences. You can leave 407 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: the body and you can see something like in cases 408 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: of near test experiences, you can see something happening in 409 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: the physical reality that when you come back you can 410 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: confirm it. And of course it's not a scientific study 411 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: that can be replicated, but for the person it's already 412 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: you know enough, you know, can you give an example 413 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: of that? Sure? Sure, and actually let me even says. 414 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: Another thing is you can have another body experience where 415 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: you leave the body and a friend of yours also 416 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: leave the body, and then you have a joint experience 417 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: and now you come back both of you to your 418 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: body and you both remember, and that takes away the 419 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: subjectivity from the experience because now you can both you know, 420 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: compare notes, so to speak. But the other kind is 421 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, um, you can leave the body and you 422 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: can go, for example, see a relative of yours that 423 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: is alive right now, So you can go see you know, 424 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: your mother that is stare in the kitchen washing the dishes, 425 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, with her overall of dockies and bonnies. I 426 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just trying to give a very detailed 427 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: example because when you come back, you can call her 428 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: and you can ask her, look where you're just washing 429 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: the dishes with your overall like this and that, and 430 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: she's going to confirm it. So you can certainly confirm 431 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: it if you you know, if you need to. One 432 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: of the things that many people realize is that when 433 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: you are in another party experience, and again you're aware, awake, conscious, 434 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: most of the times you go out, you see things, 435 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: you come back, and most of the times I don't 436 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: even call anymore because I already know it's true. I 437 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: don't really need a confirmation because it would be almost 438 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: like trying to confirm, you know that I went to 439 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: work today. If I know I went to work, I 440 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: don't really need to call my colleagues to ask them 441 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: if it's That is awesome. So not only can we 442 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: use out of body experiences to pay a visit to 443 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: somebody who's alive and l and but we can do 444 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: that to someone we've loved and their physical bodies gone 445 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: that they've physically died. I think that's awesome and that 446 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: leaves me wondering. Now, you had mentioned this earlier about 447 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: choosing our life and why we're here, and it sounds 448 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: to me like you're saying that before we got here, Uh, 449 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: maybe we made a decision to come here and learn 450 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: some things. Is that? Am I onto it looking at 451 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: the time, Louis. Let's just take a quick break and 452 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: then we can answer the question when we come back. 453 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 454 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. 455 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: The Coast to Coast a M mobile app is here 456 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: and waiting for you right now. 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I'm Sander Champlain and we're with 476 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: Louis Monero, who is the author of Demystifying the Out 477 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: of Body Experience, a practical manual for exploration and personal evolution. Lewis, 478 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: before the break, I had asked you about how we 479 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: plan our lives coming in here. It seems really hard 480 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: to believe at times when we go through something really 481 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: awful that we planned it so I'm not sure I 482 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: buy into it, but I'd love to hear your thoughts 483 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: about it right right. And you know, what we see 484 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: is that it implies different things for different people. But 485 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: just like in the case of you, individuals that have 486 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: near death experiences that they pass away and many times 487 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: they're having this conversation with this being that I'm just 488 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: generally speaking going to call him the spirit guide. Sometimes 489 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: in those types of experiences, they are shown, you know, 490 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: why they shouldn't passed away just yet, and what other 491 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: things they still should you know, should accomplish. And these 492 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: are not things necessarily that you know, the spirit guide 493 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: is asking them to do. But really the spirit guide 494 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: is just showing them what were their initial intentions, their 495 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: initial tasks or projects that they wanted to accomplish by 496 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: coming into the physical life, and that you know, obviously 497 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: they had forgotten or they had gone you know, into 498 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: a into a different trajectory, and obviously the spirit guide 499 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: is showing them that so that they can come back 500 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: and now with this, you know, being more aware and 501 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: with this knowledge, they can choose to go back at 502 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: doing what they wanted to accomplish to start with. And um, 503 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: using the art party experience. Something that we see is 504 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: that there is a certain places let me call them 505 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: a range of dimensions for now, where we observe that 506 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: there are people who before coming into the physical life, 507 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: they are also planning their main tasks and their main 508 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: projects and realizations and lessons. In the case of some individuals, 509 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: of course, we we start to wonder, you know, and 510 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: or we can gather information outside the body also about 511 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: what was our intention? What was it that we or 512 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: the reason why we wanted to come into this physical 513 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: life and and go through the human experience. What was 514 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: it that we wanted to accomplish? Do you have your 515 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: own answer for that for yourself. Yes, in my case, 516 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, one of them that the main things that 517 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: I realized that I needed to be doing here and 518 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: that I am doing here is precisely this work of 519 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, trying to help people with their out of 520 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: body experiences to understand, you know, that there is more 521 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: than just simply this physical life. And you know, I 522 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: dedicate a lot of time to this, and like I 523 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, I'm a volunteer. Were all volunteers 524 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: actually at the I see, but we do it with 525 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, with a lot of pleasure. We see the 526 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: the effects on people, uh, you know, how much their 527 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: life changes simply because they are able to understand, you know, uh, 528 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: certain concepts better. And also because they're able to develop 529 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: their own their own abilities, they are able to have 530 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: their own direct observations. So, um, this is certainly a 531 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: big part of mine, definitely, And when you're living your 532 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: life's purpose, I think it doesn't occur as work. It's pleasure. 533 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: Any time you make a difference with another human being 534 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: and see someone's eyes light up, or let them have 535 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: an experience that they've never had. I mean that incredible 536 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: amount of pleasure. So that go ahead, and I'm sure 537 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: something that with your show here a lot of the listeners, 538 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, as they listen to you and listen to 539 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: you interview different individuals, I'm sure they have probably the 540 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: same reaction that they start to understand much better, you know, 541 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: that their life. They start to realize, you know, that 542 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: their experiences, if you know, maybe they haven't understood them 543 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: so far, but by listening to different interviewers, they start 544 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: to realize, Okay, so I'm not alone. You know, they 545 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: also had the same experience that I did. That's a 546 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: big thing Lewis. When I first wanted to write this book, 547 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: I and I talked to a publisher. I thought they 548 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: were going to think I was crazy. I mean, I 549 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: really had it that no one wanted to hear my story, 550 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: that people would think I'm crazy, that I was completely alone. 551 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: There was so much fear. And then when I started 552 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: telling people, since somebody would say, oh, I had a 553 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: near death experience, or this happened to me, or my 554 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: mother came to me in a dream um or you 555 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: know those kind of things. And once I opened my 556 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: mouth sharing about it, suddenly other people who have had 557 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: experiences felt like, well, gee, if Sanders talking about this, 558 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: I can tell her my story. So I think it's 559 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: just an element of fear that we many of us 560 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: have as human beings. It's part of being human to 561 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: think we're alone, to think we're separate. But there's so 562 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: much of this that other people have experienced, and it 563 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: gives me a great deal of pleasure to know that 564 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: out of body experiences are something that not only people share, 565 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: but it can be learned. You don't have to be 566 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: in a car accident, you don't have to have your 567 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: last few breaths of life and be resuscitated to have 568 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: one of these experiences, it's tremendous. Let me ask you 569 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: something else about fear, because I know fear is something 570 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: I wake up with most days and there's things I 571 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: don't want to do. Has your research, has your experience, 572 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: has everything you've learned about out of body experiences? Has 573 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: it helped you any way or others deal with fear 574 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: and being able to be courageous because I I've got 575 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: this instinct that when we're not afraid of dying, we 576 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: won't be afraid of living, right, and and and and 577 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: you're right, yes in my case, really, I I don't 578 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: know if there has been such a difference just because 579 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: I started having them so young. Really, I at this 580 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: moment I cannot imagine myself without them. So it was 581 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: never really um, it really never came to my mind 582 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: the idea of the fear of death. But what I see, 583 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 1: for example, from even colleagues or you know, other people 584 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: that I've that I've interacted with, is that yes, it 585 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 1: helps them tremendously to to overcome the fear of death. 586 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: And you know, also sometimes we have certain insecurities or 587 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: little phobias or um certain fears against some of them, 588 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: not so little that originate from this basic fear, which 589 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: is the fear of death and the fear of dying. 590 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: And of course, when people lose the fear of death 591 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: and the fear of time, all of these other things 592 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: have no reason for existing, and they also dropped. And 593 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: the end result is you end up with a person 594 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: who is much more open and grounded and stable. And 595 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: you mentioned their courageous, I would even add an adjective there. 596 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: I would say, especially morally courageous. They are able to 597 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: say things to other people, even though they might be difficult, 598 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: if they realize that they are constructive, where sometimes you 599 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: know you are otherwise you are hesitating, you don't want 600 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: to do it exactly. So um so we see that, 601 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: we see that people are much more transparent, honest, confident, 602 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: and all of that. Really it's very beneficial for for 603 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: individuals for the rest of their life and very hard 604 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: to measure, you know, because how do you measure, you know, 605 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: authenticity in a person. It's it's difficult that we feel 606 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: it somehow, but there isn't like a like a ruler, 607 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, like a like three ft of authenticity versus 608 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, one mile. But but the person realizes, even 609 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: the person itself, they realize and they say, I am 610 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: I am much more confident now than before. I am 611 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: much more authentic now than before. I am much more 612 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: grounded now than before. And you know that. Obviously it's 613 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: it's great to see for for their life. It is, 614 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: and I think there's also a level if you know 615 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: who you are, and I mean we might not have 616 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: all the answers, but if we do know that we're 617 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 1: the spiritual being here on earth, and that our life 618 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: is for a purpose and we've picked it, and that 619 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: we can't ultimately die, I think some of the little 620 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: stuff is no longer running our lives. We're no longer 621 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: thinking of we're not maybe complaining so much because we 622 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: know we're in the driver's seat of our life. You know, 623 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: we're responsible. Our relationships can be better because we can 624 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,959 Speaker 1: see the machinery and other people we can see maybe 625 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: their humanness. And I think that like you, like me, 626 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 1: there's this element of being able to tap into what's 627 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: really in our heart and then pursue that and make 628 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: a difference with other people. I talked to one lady 629 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: who's an inventor that she got out of having her 630 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: near death experience, she's now super creative. Once you get 631 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: to that level of authenticity and vulnerability and you know 632 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: who you are, I think you can accomplish some great things. Yes, yes, 633 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: people definitely become more effective, you know, in their life 634 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: from that point onwards as they as they have already 635 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: left behind you know that the fear of death and 636 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: the fear of dying, and you know that that fear 637 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: is It's a little funny in the sense that when 638 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: we are younger, we obviously don't think too much about 639 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: it because statistically is further away, right, there's a reality 640 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: further away. But as the decades start to pile up, um, 641 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, and that reality starts to come close. Sometimes 642 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: we still don't talk about it, but we we start 643 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: to spend a lot more time and a lot of 644 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: our mental spaces dedicated to trying to make sense of 645 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: the fact that also as we know ourselves, or as 646 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: we know ourselves in the physical reality, we're going to 647 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: cease to exist. And that's why I think the nearest 648 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: experiences in the art of party experiences are so interesting 649 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: because when you leave the body, you realize I am 650 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: more than my physical body. I am more than you 651 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: simply a citizen of country x or I am not 652 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: only the son of my father and my mother, but 653 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: we are all, you know, spiritual beings that go way 654 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,280 Speaker 1: beyond time and space, and you know, and the person 655 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: realizes this on their own and that gives them a 656 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: sense of identity that is greater than just simply this 657 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: one life, Lewis. That is so inspiring. Thank you. I 658 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: know earlier I shared before the episode the listeners about 659 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: my experience seeing my grandmother and I could almost feel her, 660 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: and then also having the experience of whether I was 661 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: a bird or whatever flying over the mountains and being 662 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: so real with the sun on me, the wind on 663 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: my face, extra extra reel. And We're going to go 664 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: into a break now, but I'd like you to think 665 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: about the answer to this question. Do we still have 666 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: our five senses after we pass or when we have 667 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: the out of body experience? It's highly controversial. Do we 668 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: have them? Are we just some big ball of light? 669 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: I know what I believe, and we talked about it 670 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: on this show, but I'd love your opinion when we 671 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: come back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 672 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal 673 00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: podcast Network. Did you know that Tessa could save your 674 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: life from cancer? Are now available for little or no 675 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: cost thanks to the health care law called the Affordable 676 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: Care Act. Let this be the year you get screening 677 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: tests that can help detect cancer early, when it's most treatable. 678 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: Don't let concerns get in your way. Talk to a 679 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 1: doctor or other medical professional to learn more about the 680 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: best cancer testing options for you, the best afterlife information 681 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: you can get. Well, You're all Shades of the Afterlife 682 00:40:49,239 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: with Sander Champlaine. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 683 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are here with Louis Mannaro, 684 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: who is the president of the International Academy of Consciousness. Louis, 685 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: I asked you to consider about the five senses in 686 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and I raised a whole bunch of controversy 687 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: in one of the chapters of my book We Don't Die, 688 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: because I talk about no chocolate in Heaven. Oh and 689 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: I got people so upset. I really did. And what 690 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: I was trying to get across is that here on 691 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: planet Earth, being a human body, we have these five senses, 692 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: and there are things that we can experience here that 693 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: they're so rich, they're so vibrant, they're so luscious. The 694 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: taste of chocolate on my tongue because I have a 695 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: human tongue is amazing. So while I'm sure there's some 696 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: amazing things in the afterlife, what I was trying to 697 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: say is to really enjoy and soak up this experience 698 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: about being human because it will be different when we 699 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: cross over. So from what you have found in the 700 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: interviews you have done, do you have any sense of 701 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: do we get to retain our five senses when we 702 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: transition or have an out of body experience the senses 703 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: of the physical body? Right? Um, you know, I would say, well, 704 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: first of all, let me say I haven't seen any 705 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: chocolate out there. Probably that is the problem, you know 706 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: that I haven't seen it out there. But in terms 707 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,800 Speaker 1: of the senses, really, our senses out there are richer. 708 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: I would say, you definitely smell, you, definitely see you 709 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: definitely here, you can definitely even pay, you know, different 710 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: things even though you're not eating anything. But sometimes really 711 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: your senses are richer. Sometimes I use the world it's 712 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: almost like like an intuition, but it's um a multimedia 713 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: intuition where you are receiving sensorial input that comes in 714 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: a visual fashion, and it also comes in auditory fashion 715 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: and in a smelling fashion, and also in a taste 716 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: in fashion, so you can you can feel all of that. 717 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: And and certainly these are the the abilities that you know, 718 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,919 Speaker 1: let's say, the non physical body, or the astral body 719 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: as people have traditionally called, these are the abilities that 720 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: that body has. Can you can really sense you know everything? Uh, 721 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: and even in a much in a much richer fashion. 722 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: I've gold you're mentioning this because I got not just 723 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: about the chocolate, but somebody wrote to me that lost 724 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: their son and said, do you mean I can't how 725 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: them when I get to Heaven. To be honest with you, Lewis, 726 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 1: I didn't write in the book about that to say 727 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: that we don't have any senses when we cross over. 728 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: It was more so while we're on earth. Live in 729 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: the present moment. Enjoy the sunrise, listen to the music, 730 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: enjoy that chocolate on your tongue. You know that we 731 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: spend so much time in our own heads and thinking 732 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: that we miss reality. So it kind of backfired on me. 733 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: But I just what were you gonna say, You're gonna 734 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: say something along those lines. No, but but you're right, 735 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: certainly you know that the sensations outside the body are different. 736 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: So I would certainly encourage people, you know, to enjoy 737 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: the chocolate with moderation, but still enjoy it. You know, 738 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: sunsets you can get as many as you want, you know, um, 739 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 1: so the senses are different, just simply outside the body 740 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: that you have different possibilities. So it's cool to enjoy 741 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: the things that are you know, that we are experiencing 742 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: here in the physical reality. Outside the body, we can 743 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,839 Speaker 1: experience even more richer things, but they are different, they 744 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: are certainly different. The idea that I was going to 745 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: mention just a moment ago is that is abilities of 746 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: the astral body to here, to see, to smell are 747 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: actually what while we are inside the body gives rise 748 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: to these abilities like clairvoyance, even remote viewing is actually 749 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: the normal ability in which the astral body sees because 750 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: when we are outside the body, we can displace our 751 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: side to see our friends in Australia and compact. It's 752 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: just outside the body is very easy. But what we 753 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: are inside the body, because the physical body restricts as 754 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: we need to train ourselves to be able to use 755 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: the ability while we are inside the body. But some 756 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,800 Speaker 1: people have clairvoyance, the ability to see, you know, something 757 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,919 Speaker 1: nonphysical while they are physical. Other people are more predisposed 758 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: for clear audience and they can hear things that are 759 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: not physical while we are they are inside the body. 760 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,240 Speaker 1: Some people have clear coustums and they can taste things 761 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: that are more nonphysical. Some people have clear all factants 762 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: and they smell smells that are non physical smells. So 763 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: really these are all the abilities of the astral body 764 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: that again, once we are outside the body is like, um, 765 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say on cage. Yes, 766 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: it's it's out of the physical envelope. Let's put it 767 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: this way, so it's not to call it a cage. 768 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,760 Speaker 1: And then you know, it can express its its senses, 769 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, more more fully the astral body. So we 770 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: we do have senses that they're very rich, but they're 771 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: different they behave differently than the physical reality or than 772 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: the physical senses. So I would certainly agree with you 773 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: and encourage people to enjoy you know, the physical life definitely, 774 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: but it's nice to hear that there's still going to 775 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: be a rich sense of experience. Yes, and in just 776 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: to you know, something that you mentioned there that might 777 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: be interesting to add. For the lady that was asking 778 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: you if she can hug her son, she can. When 779 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: we are outside the body, the astro body can go 780 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: through any physical thing. So really we can go through walls, 781 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: even like people who are in there near the experience 782 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: as they describe it, that they go through the roof 783 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: as if it was nothing, and it's exactly the same 784 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: thing outside the body. Even though you go across or 785 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: through anything that is more physical or anything from the 786 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 1: physical reality, you don't go through yourself. So with one 787 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: of your hands you can touch, for example, and you 788 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: can grab your other hand and your other arm, and 789 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: you can inspect that. Then you realize that there is 790 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: something there, like like a substance, like a mask. It's 791 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: obviously a different body than the physical one, but you 792 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: realize that you can you know that you're there. And 793 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: by the same token, when you find somebody outside the body, 794 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 1: if you are in at the same level, let me say, 795 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: at the same frequency, if you're like in face, you 796 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: can touch them and you can hug hug them, and 797 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,799 Speaker 1: you can shake their hands, and you know give them 798 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: a very warm hug. So, um, it's absolutely possible. So 799 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if she will be listening to the show, 800 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: but there's plenty of moms that have lost their children 801 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: and listening. I guarantee that, and it even and it 802 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: makes me happy that I get to hug my dad 803 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: and my grandmother again. Exactly what I know? I said, 804 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: that was my last question, but it's not what are 805 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,800 Speaker 1: you what this one might be. What's the point do 806 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: you think of being here on earth, having a body 807 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: coming here, having these experiences, if we really some greater creature? Yes, 808 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: in a very general sense and maybe a little bit 809 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,399 Speaker 1: uh high end philosophical sense, Okay, it's really learning, it's 810 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: really developing. It's really being able to overcome the challenges 811 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: and being able to see them or to learn to 812 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: see them in a in a constructive sense and uh, 813 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: to move beyond that and to overcome them. But generally speaking, 814 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: this is um. This is what we see. You know 815 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: that most people are trying to to um to develop, 816 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: really becoming a better person as well, becoming a better 817 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: individual that as well. It's it's a very very big 818 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: key component of that. And what we see is that 819 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: most people. You know, they develop, they evolve. Is that 820 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,280 Speaker 1: you know sometimes people like to call popularly of spiritual 821 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: development or inner growth. Um, we certainly learn a lot 822 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: in school in formal education. But I would say what 823 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,879 Speaker 1: helps people the most to develop personally in the sense 824 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: of inner growth is really life experience. Yes, and not 825 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: so much you know that the titles or the PhDs 826 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,520 Speaker 1: and you know all of this that of course physical 827 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: society values a lot rightfully, So I would say, but 828 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: it's it's it's something greater. It's more really becoming a 829 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: better person, and we learn it better too, and we 830 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: can experience something as opposed to just learning something in 831 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: the classroom exactly when you know, sometimes I give that 832 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,840 Speaker 1: that specific example, you know, being out there, you know, 833 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,239 Speaker 1: without a body. It's almost like being in college and 834 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: then coming here into the physical life. Is now we 835 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,919 Speaker 1: sort of like, no certain things. Now we come into 836 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: the hands on trying to really put it in practice, 837 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: and sometimes it takes us a few attempts until we 838 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 1: get it right. Really, can I borrow that? When I 839 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: talk to people, I think that's awesome, that's great, that 840 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 1: makes sense. It paints a picture. Yeah, you know, when 841 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 1: you live in college and you go to the real 842 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,640 Speaker 1: world to work, and there is an entire other learning 843 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: that you need to do that nobody ever is. Oh, 844 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I do think our time is 845 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: coming to an though, But Louis, thank you from the 846 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: bottom of my heart for opening up a new doorway 847 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: that I didn't even know existed. My pleasures under Really 848 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: this is this is what we do. So I thank 849 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: you for yourportunity. Yeah, and I just want to explore 850 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: more So for our listeners, you can visit the I 851 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: A C World dot org. That's correct, right, Www, I 852 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: A C World dot org. Yes, that is correct. Tell 853 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,960 Speaker 1: me the name of your book again, would be great. 854 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: The name of the book is The Mystifying the out 855 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 1: of Body Experience. See Mystifying the out of Body Experiences. Okay, 856 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 1: that's great. We can find that on Amazon. Yes, you 857 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,280 Speaker 1: can find it on Amazon. Also, there is the website 858 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 1: of the book. Learn obs dot com learn O B 859 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: E S O B E S. Right, exactly does dot 860 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 1: com learn O B E S dot com? Thank you, 861 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Louis for a great conversation today. 862 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: And to our listeners, our home base is we Don't 863 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: Die dot com and there you can find links to 864 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: past episodes. Are upcoming psychic and medium classes and medium 865 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 1: demonstrations are free Sunday gathering a copy of my book 866 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: Free Support through Grief, a great Facebook group who speaks 867 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: this language of the afterlife, and so much more. I 868 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: urge all of us to remember this episode that we're 869 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: not in college. We came here to life to experience it. 870 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: That's why we're here, so live it fully. I'm Sandra Champlain, 871 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,320 Speaker 1: and you've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 872 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast day M 873 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast Network. And if you like this episode of 874 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,399 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one. 875 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,239 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Heart Radio and Coast 876 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,760 Speaker 1: to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network.