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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and it's time for a Trade Deadline
Speaker 1: edition of Mix Shots from inside the SWBC podcast studio
Speaker 1: here at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, a
Speaker 1: tamper free edition of the Trade Tamper Tamper Free Edition
Speaker 1: Trading Deadline. As we are now ninety minutes away, nine
Speaker 1: minutes away from the trade deadline. So when we finish,
Speaker 1: it will be thirty minutes till breaking news, right, is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? That's exactly Yeah, there or forty
Speaker 1: five minutes, I dare say, I dar say, we will
Speaker 1: have nothing to report. There will be nothing to report
Speaker 1: after we go off. That I would uh, I would
Speaker 1: agree with you. Yeah, I think Jerry Jones agreed with
Speaker 1: So why are your people gonna stick with us for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes? You gotta build it up. We've got
Speaker 1: all we got stuff kind of stuck mixed out rent
Speaker 1: that's right, we forget that we got the rant called
Speaker 1: the tse oh TV guy, the TV guy. Everybody don't
Speaker 1: think anybody else listens to Jerry Jones. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so we believe it when Jerry says that. Well, like
Speaker 1: I said that, they're not pursuing anything. But if the
Speaker 1: phone rang there you go answering. Okay, I did say
Speaker 1: that Dak was going to play this weekend. He did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had us all fired though, you know what, You're right, Bill,
Speaker 1: I can't believe anything else at this organization except here
Speaker 1: on mix shots. So since you brought up the trade, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, do you ever remember when
Speaker 1: you were here playing a midseason trade like something that
Speaker 1: just astonished you. No, not necessarily midseason trades, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure we had some. I mean you had things you
Speaker 1: picked up guys. Maybe your last year here, we had
Speaker 1: cut When was your last year here? Eighty nine? Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah it was there. Not a midseason trade in eighty nine.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking back a rather large midseason trade in eighty
Speaker 1: nine nine mid season Oh well, Herschel, Herschel, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I meant not on the trade deadline, necessarily met everybody
Speaker 1: got somebody, Yeah, I think they got more than somebody
Speaker 1: out of that trade. Well they did, okay, So yeah,
Speaker 1: we sent him away. We sent him away and got
Speaker 1: nine right, one for nine? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: Or eighteen? However many you want to multiplied by the
Speaker 1: draft backs? Well, it was, it was. It was initially
Speaker 1: from the five players, I think it was. It was,
Speaker 1: and including the draft, and then and then we found
Speaker 1: out later that the draft the players were tied to
Speaker 1: the draft picks, and Minnesota made the mistake of thinking
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wanted to get good right away, so we're
Speaker 1: going to give you all these scrap players that we
Speaker 1: don't remember used to make mistakes right time. And so
Speaker 1: and Jimmy was like, no, we wanted to We wanted
Speaker 1: the draft choices. Uh. And you remember the one guy
Speaker 1: didn't want to come, the running back, Uh, Darren Nelson. Yes,
Speaker 1: he refused to come. And Jimmy goes, okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: we'll just take his And where did he go? Draft choice?
Speaker 1: He went back to Minnesota never wound up going to
Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers that year. Yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: can you name who the players the Cowboys got in
Speaker 1: the herschel Walker trade? D David Howard, I hold Jesse Solomon,
Speaker 1: Darren Nelson, And there was a defensive end that was,
Speaker 1: I tell you the story. I forgot his name. I
Speaker 1: want me to tell you the name. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you can tell the story. Yeah, Alex Stewart, Alex Stewart
Speaker 1: do not remember him, so he did nothing here, right,
Speaker 1: But Edward or I think he wrote this that Alex
Speaker 1: Stewart looked like tiz Ed and played like Jay. And
Speaker 1: a day or so later, we're walking through the locker
Speaker 1: you know, the outer part of the locker room at
Speaker 1: the ranch, and here comes Alex Stuart and he sees
Speaker 1: Ed and he basically confronted him very loudly. But you
Speaker 1: know what, ed was right? Yeah, I mean he was right.
Speaker 1: And sometimes if you tell the truth, it hurts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you can be angry about it. Maybe ed
Speaker 1: should have said it, but what big boys know. We
Speaker 1: understand that we get into this particular reason and they're
Speaker 1: going to be certain consequences. And when you play like crap,
Speaker 1: you know you're a bad player. Sometimes the church just
Speaker 1: comes out. Because he looked the part as I remember,
Speaker 1: and the fact that we don't remember him. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're already looking up the stats right now, see
Speaker 1: where he ended up? He ended up? What happened to him?
Speaker 1: I mean, because I don't even remember period. If you
Speaker 1: think about it, David Howard was a nice player. Yes
Speaker 1: he was, Jesse, Jesse Solomon. He his mouth shut, but
Speaker 1: he was a nice player. That's why he right right, Jesse.
Speaker 1: We were buddies, man. He would come to my locker
Speaker 1: and we fussed all the time. Yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: then and then I coult made it for till through
Speaker 1: made it through the eighty nine Oh my god, disaster.
Speaker 1: If he asked right and he ended up? Did he
Speaker 1: get he got a ring? He played because he remember
Speaker 1: early in the NFC title game, Um, Kevin Smith got
Speaker 1: hurt the first player, second play, and they put Ike
Speaker 1: in and that's when they threw the deep past to
Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Rice. It would have been a touchdown, but
Speaker 1: there was some sort of holding or something nullified. Next play,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith was back in the game. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, I know, I had a very unorthodox
Speaker 1: style that Tom Langer did not appreciate. And I get that,
Speaker 1: but I hold his technique was probably worse than mine. No, no,
Speaker 1: probably it was. He lined up deeper than I did.
Speaker 1: At least I had a backpedal. I hoped would back
Speaker 1: up ten yards. He would line up at ten yards
Speaker 1: and wouldn't move. He let him come him, come to
Speaker 1: him at ten yards. I mean, you just don't do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, even the dbs this weekend, we're closer than that.
Speaker 1: So you were already gone. I think I've told this
Speaker 1: story before. Ninety or ninety one Cowboys line didn't have
Speaker 1: anything of a pass rush. And remember how good the
Speaker 1: Eagles were at that time with that front four. And
Speaker 1: so we're in the lock we're in the locker room
Speaker 1: one day and they're talking about the We were talking
Speaker 1: about just kind of shooting the bull with him, and
Speaker 1: there was a couple other guys about their Eagles pass
Speaker 1: rush and he goes, yeah, he goes, let me show
Speaker 1: you how their DB's play. So he gets down in
Speaker 1: his stance, got his hands on his knees, and he
Speaker 1: starts backpedaling and he goes one, two, three, Okay, man,
Speaker 1: I'm good because the play would have been over right.
Speaker 1: He only had to cover for three seconds Chicago exactly.
Speaker 1: And it was the funniest thing. Yeah, And so you know,
Speaker 1: we used to get so jealous with that. Of course,
Speaker 1: we had doomsday at the time in the in the
Speaker 1: eighties doomsday too, I guess you might call it. But
Speaker 1: there were times when you know, the flex defense holds
Speaker 1: your d line back. Yeah, And there were times with
Speaker 1: especially with a play action. We was sitting ducks back then,
Speaker 1: and we would get so jealous when we would see
Speaker 1: how Mike Downs was forced because he was part of
Speaker 1: that run defense. The free safety is part of the
Speaker 1: run defense. That's the kind of responsibility Mike had. He
Speaker 1: had to be close to the line of scrimmage on
Speaker 1: a lineman he's no more than ten yards. Then you
Speaker 1: look at the other dbs and other safeties. We can't
Speaker 1: even see them in those film they're they're out of
Speaker 1: the pit, ten people on the field because the safety
Speaker 1: is twenty yards back. And Mike Downs used to hate
Speaker 1: that because he did not have that lux. Now, Jesse
Speaker 1: Solomon was good, yes he was. And he cost me.
Speaker 1: He was fast. He cost me my mustache, by the way.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety right, he was holding out. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: we were in San Diego for a week and I
Speaker 1: had been corresponding to him back and forth, checking the comming.
Speaker 1: You're not coming. So I called him one day and
Speaker 1: he told me. He goes, yeah, he goes, I bought
Speaker 1: my my plane ticket, I'm coming tomorrow. Well, I get
Speaker 1: in a argument about his status with Mike Fisher and
Speaker 1: and so I think I've got inside information, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, i'll bet you he's coming. Oh he's not.
Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you want to bet? I said,
Speaker 1: I'll bet my mustache. Right. Well, Jesse changed his mind
Speaker 1: and he didn't come. He had the ticket and he
Speaker 1: didn't show. I think that he was aware of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a bet. I'll screw this guy. Then when
Speaker 1: he showed up we were back I think he didn't
Speaker 1: show up until training camp was over. When we were
Speaker 1: back here, and he showed up the first day, and
Speaker 1: I think we were interviewing Jerry or interviewing him, and
Speaker 1: the two came together and Jerry was gonna, like, you know,
Speaker 1: bury the hatchet and say okay, welcome back. And he
Speaker 1: shook his hand and said good to be here with you, boss,
Speaker 1: And he called him boss like three times. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, I said, this isn't gonna last, okay,
Speaker 1: just real quick. And David Howard ended up getting trade
Speaker 1: with Lockhart right to the New England Patriots. All right,
Speaker 1: just real quick, I'll run through the draft, I mean
Speaker 1: the trade. Yeah, okay, yeah, those those players, and here
Speaker 1: the draft picks. Okay, these are the unconditional picks they got.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys got Minnesota's first round pick in ninety and
Speaker 1: second round pick in ninety and their sixth round pick
Speaker 1: in ninety so three draft picks that were unconditional. All right.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys also got Minnesota's first round pick in ninety
Speaker 1: one conditional on cutting Solomon, Minnesota's second round pick in
Speaker 1: ninety one, conditional on cutting Howard, Minnesota's first round pick
Speaker 1: in ninety two, conditional and cutting Holt, and Minnesota's second
Speaker 1: round pick in ninety two, conditioned met by rating away Nelson,
Speaker 1: and Minnesota's third round pick in ninety two conditional one
Speaker 1: cutting Stewart. It's amazing that they still have a team
Speaker 1: to this day. And who was the GM Who's man,
Speaker 1: Mike Lynn? Yeah, well he still has a job. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he's so. When it was announced, it was announced as
Speaker 1: those those five players, and one of them turned out
Speaker 1: not showing up here, and three picks the first and second,
Speaker 1: and then the sixth round pick the next year. I'm
Speaker 1: not even for sure those picks were announced, okay, but
Speaker 1: but those were the thre those were the end condition,
Speaker 1: yeah right, And so with those picks, so, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what the timeline was on when those players
Speaker 1: had to be cut by in order for the pick
Speaker 1: to take priority over the player. I think they had
Speaker 1: to if they were on But whatever the deadline was,
Speaker 1: Jimmy was cutting that player to get that pick. And
Speaker 1: they actually basically actually cut them all and then just
Speaker 1: brought him back like because they cleared waivers. Because I
Speaker 1: remember what happened. So this happened. It might have been well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, say it was a Tuesday, right, Uh.
Speaker 1: And I remember Wednesday when Herschel was leaving. He walked
Speaker 1: out the back to the player's parking lot at the ranch,
Speaker 1: and uh, everybody started running after him, right to try
Speaker 1: to catch up with him, right, And I started running
Speaker 1: and I'm going, you know what, I am too old
Speaker 1: to be running after a damn player. I am I'll
Speaker 1: find out what he said. I am not doing chasing
Speaker 1: him down like that. Right. So Friday, and I think
Speaker 1: it was Channel twenty one, they wanted to do a
Speaker 1: writer's roundtable about the trade, and so we all get
Speaker 1: on there and we just panned the thing, just just
Speaker 1: just brutalized. Yeah, this is the best, let's say, only
Speaker 1: asset you had, right, everybody else is getting old and
Speaker 1: what do you We love to have a copy of that.
Speaker 1: And we all thought, we all thought they were getting
Speaker 1: these players, not the draft picks. That part hadn't come out. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: So the next day, Norm Hitchkis reports that part of
Speaker 1: the trade was the Cowboys are going to send Steve
Speaker 1: Walsh to Minnesota at the end of the year. And
Speaker 1: I had found out on Friday that that was absolutely inaccurate.
Speaker 1: That wasn't that wasn't right. Right. Well, I get a
Speaker 1: call from the paper and they go, well, we need
Speaker 1: a comment from Jerry. I said, well, we don't need
Speaker 1: a comment from Jerry. I'm telling you I've found out
Speaker 1: and we've already written it that that's not part of
Speaker 1: the trade. Okay, No, we still need something from Jerry.
Speaker 1: So I get Jerry on the phone, right, tell him
Speaker 1: what Indeed, Well, he had seen the show Friday night
Speaker 1: and he let me have it like nobody else has, right,
Speaker 1: because because of how we criticized the trade. Probably Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we were all over right, and I mean, he just
Speaker 1: went on and on. He was he was he was
Speaker 1: especially hurt by you because you're his child. No, no,
Speaker 1: I was not his child, not even close, all right,
Speaker 1: And you well, it was a long it was decade,
Speaker 1: Garrett that I couldn't. I never worked my way back here.
Speaker 1: And uh and so he just went on its rant
Speaker 1: and he used every word, you know, not in the
Speaker 1: King's English, right, because everybody said, Cherry ever chew you out?
Speaker 1: And I go, oh yeah. And so he got to
Speaker 1: the end and I said, so, I said, so, do
Speaker 1: you want to comment, write anything you want? I think
Speaker 1: he Al would have gave you quotes, yall. You just yeah,
Speaker 1: you were right. Yeah. So that was that was the
Speaker 1: That's the other thing I remember of that trade. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that wasn't that. But how but before that, before Jerry
Speaker 1: got here, were there mid season trades that you remember.
Speaker 1: I remember just the acquisition of hershe Walker. But that
Speaker 1: was a trade that just ended up, that happened. It
Speaker 1: was in trading camp though, yeah, and you know that
Speaker 1: was it was huge. That was the only thing close
Speaker 1: to it because at that time you're bringing in Hershel Walker.
Speaker 1: You have Tony Dorssett, right, So to us, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a big deal, and that at that time they
Speaker 1: weren't really doing They weren't really trading anybody. They would
Speaker 1: just cut them. So they traded before the season started.
Speaker 1: Um so this was before you were there when two
Speaker 1: tall went to go box, Yes, and they were he
Speaker 1: seventy nine was the season he boxed. And so he
Speaker 1: came back back, but they had already traded for um, oh,
Speaker 1: the defensive and from the coach, the big guy, Bubba Smith. No,
Speaker 1: John Dutton very good, Yeah, John Dutton right, and uh,
Speaker 1: and so that was a trade I remember. But other
Speaker 1: than that, it was just kind of getting rid of guys,
Speaker 1: not really trading guys. Yeah, that's right. That were the
Speaker 1: trade deadline. Now, that was not that. It was all
Speaker 1: about if they didn't want you, something happened, they would
Speaker 1: just cut you. And bringing in Herschel was the exception
Speaker 1: because we really didn't just bring in anybody like that.
Speaker 1: Every right, and especially you bring in the guy to
Speaker 1: replace Tony Dorsett, future Hall of Fame. But this guy's
Speaker 1: about to lead you his his he I think he
Speaker 1: had passed ten thousand in eighty five and by the
Speaker 1: time we got to eighty seven, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's working on being one of the leading rushers in history.
Speaker 1: So for that to happen, I just thought that, we
Speaker 1: know what, they a bunch of crap. The acquisition as
Speaker 1: part of that. When the USFL folded. Uh, that got
Speaker 1: overshadowed was Nate because they picked up Nate off of
Speaker 1: US the US and he for some reason, I think
Speaker 1: the Washington at the time Reskins. Uh what did they
Speaker 1: have to do with that? No, they had drafted. They
Speaker 1: had signed Nate as an undrafted fres agent as a
Speaker 1: rookie and eighty three. Yes, so he and Babe Laffenberg
Speaker 1: were there, and then he got cut and then he
Speaker 1: ended up in the USFL for what a year or two.
Speaker 1: I just remember coming into the locker room. I believe
Speaker 1: we went thousand oaks. Yes you were, and uh, I
Speaker 1: remember seeing this big old brother like who hacks, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and he looks so humble, you know, Nate, he looks
Speaker 1: humble to he gets out that star whipping right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so he just sitting there just looking very unassuming,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of walked back by and like, uh, man,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? You know, I really just didn't
Speaker 1: know what to expect. And then if you remember, he
Speaker 1: got nicknamed the kitchen because he was because he was
Speaker 1: bigger than the Free and I must admit it wasn't
Speaker 1: impressive because he was that big. Yeah, so you're thinking
Speaker 1: he can't be any good a matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: mean you're just thinking that, right, That's just first impression
Speaker 1: we were talking about. We were talking about how players
Speaker 1: can have an effect on the coaching staff, like tell them, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy can do this, or this guy can do that.
Speaker 1: He goes, I might not have been here today had
Speaker 1: it not been for Randy White and John Dutton and
Speaker 1: who else? He pointed out somebody else on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: He said they actually went to coach Landry and said, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy's got something. Yeah. He said, they saved me
Speaker 1: because he said I was so big and fat. He
Speaker 1: goes to you. They saw the potential. Yeah, because at
Speaker 1: that time, remember Tom didn't want anybody on the offensive
Speaker 1: line more than two eighty. Man, if they were two eighty,
Speaker 1: they were you. And this guy comes in at three forty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I meant Tom rafted the Senate. I think he was
Speaker 1: around two hundred and sixty pounds. Yeah, and little did
Speaker 1: we know thirty two years ago that on trade deadline day,
Speaker 1: which is also election, that herschel Walker would be running
Speaker 1: for United Senate one day. That's pretty gard. That's a
Speaker 1: huge circle, is a necessary circle. That is very good, William,
Speaker 1: I gotta admit because that's that's just as ridiculous as
Speaker 1: all of this crap. They're talking and Bill what ticket
Speaker 1: is he running on? The Trump ticket? Everyone can figure
Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, the guy he played for, he's probably
Speaker 1: before he became a Dallas. Before he became a Dallas
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Speaker 1: where are we going? What do you think? We got
Speaker 1: one trade that came down today that of a notable player,
Speaker 1: Melvin ingram Is traded from Pittsburgh to Kansas City for
Speaker 1: a sixth round draft. And I looked at his stats
Speaker 1: and he was doing up resolutely nothing for the Steelers.
Speaker 1: And so we saw the Chiefs play last night against
Speaker 1: the Giants, so he could they could use all the
Speaker 1: help they there? Yeah, because the Giants almost could have
Speaker 1: should have won that game. I was picking the Giants
Speaker 1: to win the game, win this game. Uh, if they
Speaker 1: have got out of their own way. We got some
Speaker 1: breaking news here after what that's two weeks? He played
Speaker 1: here a month and he played two games. Didn't play
Speaker 1: this last Thursday night he was inactive and my stat
Speaker 1: sheet says in two games twenty seven snaps and one tackle.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have a need for a linebacker right now.
Speaker 1: What's the status on jebral Cox. He is out. He
Speaker 1: tore his ACL and we'll have surgery. Yeah, oh man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the Cowboys have a need for a lot. Francis
Speaker 1: will take his place on the fifty three to come back.
Speaker 1: And Ill I trolled on Twitter, get right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want that guy for It was I'd retweeted Chefter
Speaker 1: or whoever about Jalen being released and I said, Cowboys
Speaker 1: need a linebacker or whatever I mean. But when you
Speaker 1: see something like that, I guess it's justification for making
Speaker 1: the move. Right. Initially, it was, you know, surprise to
Speaker 1: some people, not to us in this room, but also
Speaker 1: the disappointment from Van Derress and thinks that nature. I
Speaker 1: get it, man, that's your boy. You know your teammates
Speaker 1: got But man, if he ain't bawling, he ain't bawling,
Speaker 1: And this to you, you hate to see him go,
Speaker 1: but you gotta know you are a better defense without
Speaker 1: him in the lineup. Yes, And and I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were playing him to possibly trade him, uh
Speaker 1: for somebody to see, Oh look what he's doing, because
Speaker 1: he did nothing to qualify the snaps he was getting,
Speaker 1: and he was taking snaps from other people. And as
Speaker 1: a as a you know, as a human being, you know,
Speaker 1: we hate to see people have to uproot their lives
Speaker 1: and yeah, move here and move there and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. But you know, as much as we make
Speaker 1: fun of it, it's just a part of the game.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make it any easier for the player to
Speaker 1: have to move. And you know, I was blessed when
Speaker 1: I when I left, I went to New York. But
Speaker 1: you know, my my my wife is from here. We
Speaker 1: grew up together, so it's safer for them to stay home.
Speaker 1: I don't have to take them with me everywhere I go.
Speaker 1: That's the blessing that I had that stuff. They didn't
Speaker 1: have to get out of school and things that nature.
Speaker 1: Everyone's different. But at the same time, it's a business.
Speaker 1: Well you know, that's so this this is for all
Speaker 1: the people that wanted to make a deal about it.
Speaker 1: Oh you're messing up the team chemistry. Oh what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do in the locker room? You know, Well,
Speaker 1: how are these players? You know? And my response was
Speaker 1: they got to worry about number one. Yes, they ain't
Speaker 1: worried about number two, and they also got to know
Speaker 1: that he wasn't making Yes, they knew. That's it. The
Speaker 1: players in the locker room goes back to what I said.
Speaker 1: Players know the thing about Nate, right, and and they
Speaker 1: know so film don't lie. Yeah, certainly doesn't a lie. Well,
Speaker 1: I learned that in Yeah, I know. I learned that
Speaker 1: with Tom Landry Boy, who were running that joker back
Speaker 1: and forth on your man, like this is your thumb stuck,
Speaker 1: Why don't you move on with the play. No, he's
Speaker 1: got to make a point and that point will be
Speaker 1: made and everyone in there will know it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. He sends a message through film black
Speaker 1: and white back then it was back then. So yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: Jalen and you know, Jerry mentioned, Mike mentioned, Stephen mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't going to be active in the
Speaker 1: trade market unless somebody called, and as Jerry and Jerry said,
Speaker 1: every time you call, the price goes up. I remember
Speaker 1: I learned that from Bob Accles because they were in
Speaker 1: a dispute with somebody. Wow Bob remember, yes, I do.
Speaker 1: He was the personnel director kind of managing the cap
Speaker 1: and all that, and they were in a dispute with somebody,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, have you talked to him or
Speaker 1: his agent? He goes, no, I go, well why not?
Speaker 1: He goes, because every time I pick up the phone,
Speaker 1: I'm spending money like it's going to get more expensive. Right,
Speaker 1: that is very good. And so like Jerry said, if
Speaker 1: they're calling you, oh okay, we can listen. But if
Speaker 1: I'm calling for something, he goes, Now it's getting expensive.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to be that guy. And and
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know that they have a
Speaker 1: serious need to trade something. You know, Bill talked about
Speaker 1: the quarterback thing, and probably before Sunday, but got solidified,
Speaker 1: say before the second half, yeah, right half time. You're
Speaker 1: probably thinking, oh see before the last two minutes of
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah yeah, I mean think about it. No,
Speaker 1: you're probably right. The Cowboys go three and out. Okay
Speaker 1: on that last possession, Yeah, okay, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: After the game and they fall sixteen thirteen in Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Bat phone the bat phone sitting back, and you're looking
Speaker 1: for a veteran quarterback, right, So, and he didn't play
Speaker 1: poorly up until then, but they said halftime the number
Speaker 1: one scoring offense in the league had three points and
Speaker 1: Minnesota's defense wasn't all that they weren't and we found
Speaker 1: that out as the game progressed. So other than the
Speaker 1: quarterback position, you know, everybody wants to know, well, what
Speaker 1: other position do you need? And I'm going, well, I
Speaker 1: need a defense of it. Oh, but Marcus Lawrence is
Speaker 1: coming back. I could use another defense tackle. Ok, wait,
Speaker 1: Gallimore's coming back. Right um wide receiver. You got Gallop
Speaker 1: coming back, and god forbid, you don't trade positions of
Speaker 1: strength to get a dark draft choice because the guy's
Speaker 1: contracts next year. This team's six and one. You sense
Speaker 1: something special just might be happening here. Why would you
Speaker 1: do anything to diminish your roster for the future. There
Speaker 1: came off of probably the most, like you say, special,
Speaker 1: This was the most special game this year, right, it had.
Speaker 1: It had its own uniqueness over the as we talked
Speaker 1: about the Patriots game. Patriots game was amazing, but this
Speaker 1: one was just a specially in its own right because
Speaker 1: of the backup situation, because of how we could have
Speaker 1: just gone in there, and also the fact that it
Speaker 1: caused us not to make another move on this team
Speaker 1: that we did not need to make, right absolutely, So
Speaker 1: why would you trade away anything. Somebody's like, well, Tennessee
Speaker 1: needs a running back that you might get a second
Speaker 1: for Tony Pollard. Okay, fine, and Emmett Zekiel gets hurt,
Speaker 1: right and then what Clement? Seriously, so you would need
Speaker 1: a running back? So no, why would you do that?
Speaker 1: You you're you're in the catbird seat right now. We
Speaker 1: went from being the team that had the worst luck
Speaker 1: ever to where everyone thinks that we've got this luxury
Speaker 1: to sit dak until the playoffs start. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We went from that team, we were
Speaker 1: the worst team with the worst stuff was happening to it.
Speaker 1: I see, it happened to every other team. Now you
Speaker 1: saw what happened with Casey last night. I like that
Speaker 1: looked like the Cowboys last year or two years of
Speaker 1: the injury, not just the juries, but the goofy play. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to throw the ball to number one.
Speaker 1: Number nineteen thinks it's going to him. He reaches up
Speaker 1: and it deflects my home's pass that was going to
Speaker 1: number one and it ended up in an interception. That's
Speaker 1: the goofiness that we were looking at the last think
Speaker 1: you think to catch that Cooper made on that last drive.
Speaker 1: It's a whole combat. It bounces off, the bounces off,
Speaker 1: a hand comes in and it's a big reception. That
Speaker 1: would not have happened last night before. Yeah, Yeah, or
Speaker 1: the last twenty four years before that. Yeah, because this
Speaker 1: is a special year. Um, all right. The best news
Speaker 1: though to come out of Mike McCarthy's press conference yesterday
Speaker 1: that Dak's ready. Dak is going to be a full
Speaker 1: go when they had their first full practice of the
Speaker 1: week on Thursday. Well, that's the if he gets the
Speaker 1: padded right, right, That's what I mean. Yeah, Because they'll
Speaker 1: practice all goes well on Wednesday and he'll be a
Speaker 1: full It's expected that he'll be a full go on Thursday.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody needs to understand that what he
Speaker 1: did before the game on Sunday was what he had
Speaker 1: been doing all week. It wasn't It wasn't like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they said, oh no, everyone thinking that
Speaker 1: this was a workout. Yeah, it was his rehabs. He
Speaker 1: would have done that even if they didn't think he
Speaker 1: was going to play right, And that's probably why they
Speaker 1: brought him to the game in the first place. So
Speaker 1: he could work out with brit before the game and
Speaker 1: also too, and that's what he's also the fooler. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. And Jerry talked about that too, by the way,
Speaker 1: about the importance of not giving somebody. He said, unless
Speaker 1: they've got a camera up there watching your practice, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to give them any And I'm thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're the one that would spill the beans. He's just
Speaker 1: spilling it now, be quiet. Yeah, so he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't need to give them any competitive advantage. Right,
Speaker 1: So that was pretty funny, but it sounds like he's
Speaker 1: he is ready to go. So really the only thing
Speaker 1: that probably we need to discuss is the left tackle position. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I want to do that. We'll do that when
Speaker 1: we come back. How about that from me? Shots in
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Speaker 1: You gotta do that point real fast. Yeah, we'll work
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, we got that's where Douglas Barriclow comes in.
Speaker 1: That's right. Speeds up your right, right, make it sound right,
Speaker 1: that's right, all right. I'm going to continue to check
Speaker 1: the trade deadline Twitter as we go along. Here. Let's
Speaker 1: something you want to talk to Randy Gregory. Yes, let's
Speaker 1: do that. Randy Gregory. Last night there got his fifth
Speaker 1: sack of the season. I predicted he would get ten,
Speaker 1: So he's halfway there in seven games. He's got a chance.
Speaker 1: He was on Cowboys Hour last night with Bradsham and
Speaker 1: Shannon Gross and start talking to him about his maturity
Speaker 1: where he is not only on the team but in life,
Speaker 1: and talked about him having more of a leadership role,
Speaker 1: and Randy said it kind of came naturally. It wasn't forced.
Speaker 1: But here's what he had to say about him becoming
Speaker 1: a leader on this team. Naturally happened. I think that's
Speaker 1: the best way. I know. I was kind of put
Speaker 1: in a leadership counsel and things like that, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the best thing for me is is kind
Speaker 1: of let me leave my own way and naturally grow
Speaker 1: into that that that spot, that role, And I mean
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about coach McCarthy. You know, Rob
Speaker 1: Davis a d DQ everyone, Um so are his coaches
Speaker 1: go and in front office believing in me to to
Speaker 1: be that type of leader. And I'm still learning every day.
Speaker 1: I have to check myself, you know, sometimes when I
Speaker 1: want to take the shortcut, and I have to realize
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that are looking at me.
Speaker 1: If they see me that shortcut, maybe they take it too.
Speaker 1: And that's not championship football. So I'm growing into that
Speaker 1: role still. There's a lot of guys that are also
Speaker 1: and um, it's only going to make us better. I
Speaker 1: really feel like it's it's helping me up my game
Speaker 1: on the field. So Randy Gregory and if anybody gets
Speaker 1: a chance, um you can go to Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: com and call up the Cowboys Hour and listen to
Speaker 1: his interview. He was really good, really good about talking
Speaker 1: about the team, the defense, his life being in an order,
Speaker 1: not just and he said, and he said, I finally
Speaker 1: figured out my personal life was tied to my professional life.
Speaker 1: As my personal life got in order, my professional life
Speaker 1: got in order. And as you guys can see, he's
Speaker 1: playing awfully awfully well right now. And boy, if he
Speaker 1: can hold down to fort till DeMarcus Lawrence gets back
Speaker 1: and you get both of those guys on the field
Speaker 1: at the same time exactly. And and the neat thing
Speaker 1: that I don't know if anybody noticed this, but they've
Speaker 1: been doing it the last couple of days games m
Speaker 1: when they've gone into times when it's just an absolute
Speaker 1: definite passing situation and they know that he's been getting
Speaker 1: chipped on the edge, they've moved him to a stand
Speaker 1: up basically in the middle and letting him hit the
Speaker 1: gaps he and Parsons and they will also stunt him
Speaker 1: into the gap right there, so they're not going to
Speaker 1: allow him just to keep getting chipped on the outside.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess that's a compliment, but you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like a compliment when you're getting hit.
Speaker 1: He's so fast off the line. Um. When they saw
Speaker 1: the sack he had on Cousins way, he actually stripped
Speaker 1: the ball and Cousins fell down on top of it.
Speaker 1: Came off so fast and he actually passed the quarterback
Speaker 1: and that to come back. That's just so much speed.
Speaker 1: You know. What's one of the beautiful things about that.
Speaker 1: That allows the Cowboys to do that too, is Parson
Speaker 1: speed at linebacker, because whether whether it's stunning Gregory into
Speaker 1: the middle or lining him up as a stand up
Speaker 1: rusher from there, you could also stand up Parsons. And
Speaker 1: then Parsons is fast enough to get to the outside
Speaker 1: in case they were able to break out out of
Speaker 1: the pocket right and he run down somebody exactly. The
Speaker 1: center can only help one of the one side right.
Speaker 1: He can't get both right and so so basically Parsons
Speaker 1: can cover the edge while Gregory goes up the middle.
Speaker 1: So Gregory h after he makes the sack that he
Speaker 1: keeps going outside outside, outside, then he gets a couple
Speaker 1: of penalties and which we're bs, and so he's upset.
Speaker 1: The first thing he does, he stunts inside on his own. Right.
Speaker 1: He had to know what's coming because he ran right
Speaker 1: into Cooks. Uh yeah, and and and and guess who
Speaker 1: was there when Cooks came. I mean, r Randy almost
Speaker 1: took the hand off. He almost so fast, man so fast.
Speaker 1: But you know, as he talked about it, really the
Speaker 1: best thing about this interview is it's the kind of
Speaker 1: what we talked about last week. How important this is
Speaker 1: for him. We talked about DAK and coming back from
Speaker 1: and you know how monumentous that was for him just
Speaker 1: as a person to be able to come back and
Speaker 1: be successful after something so devastating. Well, Grandy Gregory has
Speaker 1: had a couple of years where he's had to deal
Speaker 1: with not a physical injury, but this is all his making,
Speaker 1: and it's all about his mental making and his mental health,
Speaker 1: and for him to be able to come on the
Speaker 1: other side of that is one thing to play as
Speaker 1: well as he's playing is another thing to be considered
Speaker 1: a leader. Let's just kind of back up a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: Let's let him go at his own pace. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let them lead by his play. He says the right things.
Speaker 1: You know, he sounds very good when he says. You
Speaker 1: can tell the guy's you know, studying. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: some dummy sitting back there. This guy's contemplative about so
Speaker 1: many things in life and he's had that time to
Speaker 1: think about that. So to me, let's just do let's
Speaker 1: just take some baby steps here, Yes, let him just
Speaker 1: be a leader by his play exactly. Just back up
Speaker 1: a little bit and not put too much pressure on
Speaker 1: because this is what's more important right now than physical
Speaker 1: one other thing he said that, and I hadn't heard
Speaker 1: this before. He said, his mom and dad moved to
Speaker 1: Texas to be around him nice, to kind of help out.
Speaker 1: And I remember meeting his dad when he was a
Speaker 1: rookie maybe or maybe the next year at a preseason game,
Speaker 1: and his dad military guy too. Yeah, So he came
Speaker 1: up to me, introduced himself, and he said, I just
Speaker 1: want you to know that, you know, my son's not
Speaker 1: a bad guy and he's not a dummy. And he goes,
Speaker 1: I know he's got his problems and we're trying to
Speaker 1: work through him. And you know, it took him a
Speaker 1: couple of years to understand his personal life and who
Speaker 1: he hung around with was affecting his professional life. And
Speaker 1: he mentioned his girlfriend how she's, you know, his rock
Speaker 1: now and helps out, keeps him kind of in line
Speaker 1: when he's and then he said something about it at
Speaker 1: home and he said something aboudy, Yeah, I've learned to listen,
Speaker 1: and Brad goes, yeah, that's a good thing for your marriage.
Speaker 1: Just like it was. It was pretty funny, but it's
Speaker 1: a good It's a really good interview. Um, and I
Speaker 1: think we all know how important. It is in any
Speaker 1: profession when you have loved ones to support you and
Speaker 1: and all of that, that's that's major. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you just you just can't replace that with anything superficial,
Speaker 1: you know, because that support you have, that love you
Speaker 1: have in your family, it is real and sometimes you
Speaker 1: don't want to hear real, you know, but you need
Speaker 1: it and that's that's what they're there for. I was
Speaker 1: blessed with I'm sure you guys as well. So you
Speaker 1: want to move on to left tackle left tackle? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't like that what came out of Jerry
Speaker 1: during the interview this morning on one h five three
Speaker 1: the Fan when he was talking about Lale Collins and
Speaker 1: he kept mentioning, yeah, and there's a spur and he
Speaker 1: kept saying spur. Well, it sounds like Lale collins ankle
Speaker 1: sprain is not really a sprain. He's got a bone
Speaker 1: spur in there that's been given him problems and normally,
Speaker 1: you know, if he can get through this, that's something
Speaker 1: that normally in the offseason you take care of the surgery,
Speaker 1: you go in there and shave off the spur or
Speaker 1: whatever you do. So, um, you know they're gonna see
Speaker 1: now Kellen Moore said yesterday about left tackle. If Tyrn
Speaker 1: can't play, he said, the game plan might dictate who
Speaker 1: ends up playing there. So to me, to me, the
Speaker 1: only two, the only two real alternatives they have is
Speaker 1: to put Lale Collins at left tackle, or you move
Speaker 1: Terrence Steel the left tackle and Colins plays right tackle.
Speaker 1: To me, now, they got through the game with the
Speaker 1: Ski in there at left tackle, struggling a lot, and
Speaker 1: even when struggling and strangling, yes, he's strangling. Got gotta, Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know where that comes from. So which do
Speaker 1: you do? And you gotta and you do it starting tomorrow? Yes,
Speaker 1: because McCarthy was asked how well did Niseki play and
Speaker 1: he said he did better against the run, he struggled
Speaker 1: in past protection. To me, past protection, that that's an
Speaker 1: optimum when you got exactly what I tell me. Steele
Speaker 1: plays left tackle, Collins plays right tackle. And the reasoning
Speaker 1: behind that would be when the Cowboys the last half
Speaker 1: of training camp, maybe more, when they were practicing the
Speaker 1: second offensive line, Steele had art it off at right tackle.
Speaker 1: He ended up at left tackle, and the Seci ended
Speaker 1: up at right tackle. So to me, that was telling
Speaker 1: me they were interviewing Steele to be the backup swing tackle.
Speaker 1: It's like they knew he can play right, now can
Speaker 1: you handle left. I don't know what kind of grade
Speaker 1: he got out there, but that's the way they finished.
Speaker 1: So Steele has played left tackle. They both played left tackle,
Speaker 1: but in the NFL. In the NFL, Steele has played
Speaker 1: left tackle right and and Leale hadn't played left tackles
Speaker 1: since LSU and we we aren't sure in Collins is
Speaker 1: coming off hip surgery last year, and we say it
Speaker 1: hasn't played since one game since twenty nineteen. So I
Speaker 1: would put him at the most comfortable place that he
Speaker 1: would be um and since Steele has played in this
Speaker 1: season in training camp at left tackle, you play and
Speaker 1: you're not really switching two positions there, right, you're switching one.
Speaker 1: You're switching Steel to left tackle. Collins is playing going
Speaker 1: back where he started off right, so it's not like
Speaker 1: you're changing two things, right, and he's played next to
Speaker 1: Martin before, that's no big deal on the right side.
Speaker 1: So if they think Steel can handle the left side
Speaker 1: in a game. But again credit to this coaching staff,
Speaker 1: they've compensated for lack of experience. Yes, lack of talent
Speaker 1: even right, they didn't do like they did to poor
Speaker 1: Chaz Green and whoever else they tried out there. And
Speaker 1: let me let me qualify what I just said. That
Speaker 1: comes from someone who has not seen them in practice
Speaker 1: or this regular season. Just like when I'm talking about, Okay,
Speaker 1: they got to get an experienced quarterback in here. Well,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Cooper Rush in practice to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so what Cooper Rush did on Sunday Night shows you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these coaches do know what they're doing. They see things
Speaker 1: in practice that you know, they the media may not
Speaker 1: see exactly. I may not even know what Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: talked about the game plan and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't radically change it because I've seen what Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush could do in practice. I've seen, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: his composure, his poise, his times when I wish they
Speaker 1: would have changed it. Yeah, because I'm like his dad,
Speaker 1: we need to run the ball now. Yeah, I'm still
Speaker 1: with dad. So first and goal at the four, you
Speaker 1: want run the ball except for Cooper, except for Cooper
Speaker 1: and CD right, see he wanted that that play. And
Speaker 1: we're out of time on this edition already. But there
Speaker 1: was another trade that happened since we last were on
Speaker 1: the air. That affects Sunday's game. Okay, all right von Miller, Yes, oh,
Speaker 1: because Denver m so that was huge. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: Denver play a lot. He's been hurt though, hasn't he
Speaker 1: He came back. He came back one game and vowed
Speaker 1: to play up to his past abilities, and he ended
Speaker 1: up getting injured in that game. I believe that was
Speaker 1: a Monday night or Sunday night game. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: was recent. That was the last couple right. Here's the
Speaker 1: report that's out right now on it. A source with
Speaker 1: direct knowledge of the situation tells Pro Football Network that
Speaker 1: Von Miller became upset when teammates declined to kick in
Speaker 1: for his annual Halloween party, a massive affair with a
Speaker 1: six figure price tag. That is that I do know
Speaker 1: of because I keyed to lead, you know, used to
Speaker 1: be in high school and he's gone to those parties. Yes,
Speaker 1: that Miller's request for financial help came as a surprise
Speaker 1: to his teammates. They had assumed they were invited guests
Speaker 1: to the party, not co host Miller. Anyway, it's out there,
Speaker 1: but yes, he does have sources say from but but
Speaker 1: they didn't post haven't commented on his play, right, you
Speaker 1: know everybody is making a big deal out of all
Speaker 1: the Rams. Now they're gonna be unbeatable. Well, you're not
Speaker 1: getting von Miller from MVP seasons right, same same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, same thing with the contracts coming up. The
Speaker 1: linebacker from Pittsburgh that got traded Kansas, he does have
Speaker 1: four and a half sacks this season, okay, and they's
Speaker 1: played in one, two, three, four and just got him
Speaker 1: listed here five six, seven games, so he's played all Okay,
Speaker 1: I only had thirty three snaps. I thought he only
Speaker 1: had got injured in the game he got he had
Speaker 1: to come out of a game. Okay, Cleveland, he had
Speaker 1: thirty three snaps. That was their last game, and um
Speaker 1: he actually was last week's game and prior to that,
Speaker 1: he had maxed out at fifty eight snaps two weeks
Speaker 1: before that against Pittsburgh. So okay, all right, well that
Speaker 1: was probably the game he came out. Maybe he can't
Speaker 1: help out, but Pittsburgh traded But it's not our problem
Speaker 1: now now it's Mike McCarthy said, if you fully fully
Speaker 1: approve that trade, that was a good timing one less
Speaker 1: headache to deal with. All Right, That does it for
Speaker 1: this edition of Mixed Shots. When we come back on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about all the deals the Cowboys made by
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