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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Jakeofer and a surprise guest

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Speaker 2: to talk about private land conservation and habitat work that

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Speaker 2: can help wildlife. Right now, all right, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First

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Speaker 2: Light and their Camo for Conservation initiative. And today we

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Speaker 2: are back to wrap up our Conservation Month series, and

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Speaker 2: we're wrapping it up in a really cool way because

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be very applicable.

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Speaker 3: To a lot of folks.

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Speaker 2: So far, over the last four or five weeks, we've

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Speaker 2: talked high level, you know, the status of deer and

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Speaker 2: deer hunting in America. We've talked public land policy and

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Speaker 2: conservation issues. We've talked kind of big picture making nature

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Speaker 2: and conservation nonpartisan again. And today I want to talk

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Speaker 2: kind of on the ground, hands in the dirt conservation

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Speaker 2: and to help me do that and to really lead

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Speaker 2: the way doing that is my pale and podcasting content

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Speaker 2: creating extraordinary in his own right, mister Jake Hoefer. So, Jake,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show in a different, unique capacity today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, super unique. I feel it's for someone that listens

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Speaker 3: to a radio show or something and they have the

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Speaker 3: step in guy. These are these are This is a

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Speaker 3: tough position to walk into, but I'm extremely excited and

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Speaker 3: I feel that didn't get my hands dirty and finding

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Speaker 3: someone that can talk about how people can put some

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Speaker 3: things into action right now instead of theorizing about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm extremely excited. Yeah, so so so.

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Speaker 2: Like Jake just said, the plan for today is actually

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Speaker 2: to let Jake take the reins on the show, because

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Speaker 2: if you've listened to the podcast over the years, you've

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Speaker 2: heard me mention this a couple times that I've always

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Speaker 2: thought that Jake is the best podcast host out there

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Speaker 2: outside of myself. If I were in a second, there's anyone, obviously,

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Speaker 2: I don't listen to myself. If there was a podcast

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Speaker 2: I listened to that I actually enjoyed the host the most,

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Speaker 2: it was always Jake. And so Jake and I are

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Speaker 2: working on some possible collaborations coming up here soon. That

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Speaker 2: hopefully we'll be able to announce soon. But in the interim,

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Speaker 2: I thought, why not let Jake take this puppy out

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Speaker 2: for a walk and actually host the Wired Hunt podcast

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Speaker 2: for a week. He is someone who has a lot

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Speaker 2: of experience in the world of private land conservation and

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Speaker 2: habitat work of course, with your own podcast, the Land Podcast,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of the things you've done the past, Jake.

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Speaker 2: So today, what the kind of man date or objective

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm putting forth for you, Jake, is to

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Speaker 2: go out and find a really great expert guest who

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Speaker 2: can talk to us about ways that we as land

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Speaker 2: managers or owners or folks that just simply have somewhere

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Speaker 2: we can do something good on the land, How we

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Speaker 2: deer and or other wildlife and or the natural world. So,

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Speaker 2: with that kind of task and that objective, Jake, I

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Speaker 2: would like to do two things now before I run

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Speaker 2: away and let you take this take it from here,

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Speaker 2: Can you really quickly for folks give people a quick

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Speaker 2: background on again you know how you got to this

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Speaker 2: point and what you're up to right now and why

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Speaker 2: you're who someone I think is a really good person

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Speaker 2: to help lead this conversation the rest of the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be happy to put some words in your

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Speaker 3: mouth here now I'm just kidding. Aside from that. No,

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Speaker 3: So my name is Jake Hoefer and worked with Exodus

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Speaker 3: for a super long time and throughout that process has

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Speaker 3: position from a career standpoint of what am I going

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Speaker 3: to do next? Really enjoy these conversations, and actually bought

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Speaker 3: back the Exodus YouTube channel and the podcast and just

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Speaker 3: relaunched that on March twenty fifth, and it's this WHTL

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Speaker 3: of me. You need to learn a lot and recognizing

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Speaker 3: we've helped over one hundred people by their first farm

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Speaker 3: So here's the game plan from here.

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Speaker 2: I am going to step away, and I'm gonna let

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Speaker 2: you bring in your expert of choice to have the

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Speaker 2: conversation from this point forward. Jake, I will just say this,

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Speaker 2: take good care of my baby.

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Speaker 4: Be.

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Speaker 2: Number one focus always is providing the most possible value

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Speaker 2: know that you know exactly how to do that. So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, let's let you take it from here, Jake,

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Speaker 2: with one hell of a conversation about private land, conservation,

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Speaker 2: now to make the world and our deer hunting property

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Speaker 2: or lease or Buddies farm or wherever it is, how

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Speaker 3: Let's do it, Skip. How's it going great? How are

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Speaker 3: you I'm doing great. I'm stepping in from Mark here.

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Speaker 3: This is a little out of my traditional recording approach,

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Speaker 3: but I'm really excited to have you on here where

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Speaker 3: we're wrapping up or he's wrapping up habitat month, and

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Speaker 3: I figured who else to bring on? Then a guy

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Speaker 3: that's been through the gambit started with no knowledge? Is

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Speaker 3: that fair to say? To very advanced I will say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, zero knowledge. Yeah, so that's the opposite of bragging.

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Speaker 4: So I'll definitely take that badge of honor having zero

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Speaker 3: What okay, so I give you a five hundred dollars

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Speaker 4: I'd say a bag seater, a chainsaw, and a backpack

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Speaker 3: What's your favorite saw model? You mentioned professional grades, so

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Speaker 4: Steal to sixty one with a sixteen inch bar and

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Speaker 4: a full chisel chain would be my instinct go to.

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Speaker 4: bigger than a sixteen. Really a fourteen would be fine,

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Speaker 4: You don't need it. And then just run a full

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Speaker 4: threw them all away. There's a plaice form, but I

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Speaker 3: And then is there a favorite backpack sprayer model that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I actually buy this cheap one and I

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Speaker 4: but it's like king or No, it's a cheap one

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Speaker 4: I can find with that back it's not expensive and

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Speaker 3: No, that's good, And I think that this is a

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Speaker 4: smith Field King, but you get the uh, you get

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Speaker 4: the diaphragm backpack pump is the simple part, and the

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Speaker 4: field king that's what I use. Now. There's plenty of

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Speaker 4: And I've got like one for fruit trees, one for

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Speaker 3: Love it. What when you were starting out with habitat,

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Speaker 3: why did you want to improve the habitat? Was it

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Speaker 3: for deer hunting? Was it for a holistic approach to conservation?

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Speaker 3: What initially had you motivated to dive into this world?

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Speaker 4: Deer hunting, for sure. So I started with a garden,

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Speaker 4: I don't know why. I can't think back why I

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Speaker 4: I would I would get rid of the bush honeysuckle.

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Speaker 4: you're really sacrificing your nutrition at a huge level by

430
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 4: having a shaded out, just bush honeysuckle, nasty mess on

431
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: your farm.

432
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. The reason I bring that up is sometimes in

433
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: a lot of conversations they just hear the TSI part

434
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: of it, and they're like, all right, we're gonna, We're gonna.

435
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 4: So really, simply, anytime you disturb your woods, it is

436
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 4: the same thing as disturbing your soil. Hey, I went

437
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: out and you know when I started, I rote to

438
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: retill my garden. Now I don't rotory till anything. I

439
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 4: do everything, don't tell. But you go till up your garden,

440
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's with a shovel, with a rake,

441
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: with the rotor etail. You're spinning all this stuff up

442
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: and all you're like, what in the world is all

443
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 4: this junk coming up? And every example is different. Your

444
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 4: forest is the same way when you allow sunlight in.

445
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: It's very much like if you were to go till

446
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: up a field. If you till up a field, you

447
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 4: will have more weeds, and you're gonna have all these surprises,

448
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: like what's that, what's that you're stirring up this huge

449
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 4: weed seed bank. A forest is no different than that.

450
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: So if I had a forest that you know, was

451
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 4: just full of bush honeysuckle berries, and I open that up,

452
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: you're gonna have regrowth. Now the key is there is

453
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 4: you can if you stay on it. It's not that

454
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 4: complex to just continually treat the new little plants. It's

455
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 4: actually quite easy. Like, hey, a day year. I took

456
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: a day year to keep up on the bush honeysuckle.

457
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 4: But there'll be other things too.

458
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: With the backpack sprayer.

459
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's the main ways to do it. You

460
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: could do it with fire, you could do it with herbicides,

461
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: you could do it mechanically and anything habitat. Here's the

462
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 4: good part is I had to learn how to do

463
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: things on a budget of not five hundred dollars. I

464
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: had a rake, and I didn't even probably own that rake.

465
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: It was probably my parents. I had no money, so

466
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 4: I had to figure out how do I get these

467
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: sugar beets in the ground. I'll borrow, borrow mom and

468
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: Dad's rake, no fertilizer, and rake the leaves. And I

469
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: just wound up with some blisters and that's all cost me.

470
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 4: And then I look like an idiot to myself, and

471
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, this didn't work at all. So you

472
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 4: can do it with the most basic of tools. So

473
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: somebody says, you know timber stand improvement, Well I could

474
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: go do timber stand improvement with a hatchet and a

475
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: little squirt bottle, right. I could also co take my

476
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: multure out there, and I've got a like a veil

477
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 4: treesaw that rotates and it's got a herbicide button, I

478
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 4: could go do it with a Well it's a big difference,

479
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: big difference. So any problem generally can be accomplished with

480
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: like ten different tools or ten different ways of doing it. Know,

481
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 4: do you have to do everything no till? Do you

482
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: need a no til drill? Of course not, you don't.

483
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 4: There's ways around it, does it? You know? And you

484
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 4: got to think of the scale you're doing. Well, you know,

485
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 4: I'm working with a half acre. The guy working with

486
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: the half acres does not need a tractor in or

487
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: no tail drill. They just don't. But if a guy says,

488
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: you know, I've got ten food plots and I own

489
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: a thousand acres, you know whatever, something crazy, Yeah, you

490
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 4: might be thinking about that. And the guy with that

491
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 4: much more ground probably has the means to buy more

492
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 4: expensive equipment. So a million different ways to solve the

493
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 4: same problem.

494
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: Which I want to dive into this because I think

495
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 3: TSI seasons starting to wrap up here with leaves coming out,

496
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 3: and I want you to say what you can and

497
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: can't do kind of from April to season when it

498
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: comes to the timber, because I know that's you're a

499
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: big proponent of fixing timber and what I mean by

500
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: that is basically a weeding it.

501
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not one inch my farm. I don't want

502
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: to improve you know, fields, waterways, waterways. What a waterways

503
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: doing for deer? Well, actually you can do some things,

504
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: but I don't want erosion. Right, So every ounce of

505
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 4: my ground there's something that can be done, and there's

506
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: something that should be done. Now I will prioritize that.

507
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: And that's why I revert to forest. And you know,

508
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: food plots, cropland native grass stands, you know, those are

509
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: probably the big emphasis on improving them. And remind me

510
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: the question again, just so I have this.

511
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: The seasonality of sas.

512
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 4: Okay, so sorry, So right now the trees, the SAP

513
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: is starting to flow and basically your trees are coming

514
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 4: out of dormancy. Well, when your trees are dormant, you

515
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: can open wounds, you can cut limbs, you can do

516
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: all sorts of things. It's not going to hurt the trees.

517
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: It's a way for them. It's the time when you

518
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 4: do these things, when you start putting big wounds in trees,

519
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: when they're out of door dormancy. You know, now all

520
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: the all of a sudden, they'll get different funguses or

521
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: they'll get you know, different pressures where they can really

522
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: get sick. So it'd be like, you know, call it'd

523
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: be like if if you were to cut yourself and

524
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: it was just you know, dirty and unsterilized, you could

525
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 4: get infections. Right. Well, that's kind of versus like super

526
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: clean in a sterile environment and using all the you know,

527
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 4: antibiotic stuff like that. That's kind of the comparison with trees.

528
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: So right now they're coming out of dormancy. So like

529
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: oak blight, you don't want to get that, so you

530
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 4: don't want to you don't want to open up these

531
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 4: fresh wounds. Now. The way around that is to say, hey,

532
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: you know there is oak issues. Just understand oak trees.

533
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: You don't want to be putting injuries on them, or

534
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: any desirable trees that you're like, hey, I want to

535
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: promote this type of tree, just don't injure them, don't

536
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: cut them. Now. The way around that is to say, hey,

537
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 4: there's undesirable trees in my timber and I still want

538
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: to do a few things real quick, and you could

539
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: you could do this today, you could do this in

540
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: a month. Just find the undesirables, you know, It could

541
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: be hickory, it could be maybe it's cedars or pines

542
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: that you want to thin, stuff like that. Anything that's

543
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: a non desirable tree, you can cut that as long

544
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: as it's not you know, tipping into a desirable tree

545
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: causing wounds. That's as simply as I can put it.

546
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: So you know, I would probably wrap this up very quickly.

547
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: But you know, I'll buy a farm where I'm like, hey,

548
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: I bought this thing in June. Uh, you know, I

549
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: miss the window? Do I wait till next winter? I

550
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: don't I go in there and start cutting some inferior stuff,

551
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: and I just I'm just very careful about it. But

552
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: I want structure on the ground so that so I'm

553
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: breaking it up kind of like you know, saying there's

554
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: a big, wide open pond with nothing in it versus

555
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: a pond with rock piles and brush piles and trees. Well,

556
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: I want structure in my woods, So I'll go knock

557
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: some of that stuff down, create structure and thermal cover

558
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: stuff like that and the other thing it's doing. If

559
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: I buy it, say I did buy it, or may

560
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: now I have, you know, months of full sunlight coming

561
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: in there, and I'm gonna get forbes of memes, all

562
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: sorts of different things that are going to pop up.

563
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: Some of them good, most of them good, some of

564
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: them bad. But that's gonna be food, brows, more betting.

565
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: You know, visual barriers for you and the deer. You know,

566
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: my timber, you can't see a lot of it twenty

567
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: yards through it, where when I got it you could

568
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: probably see three hundred yards through things. It was wide open.

569
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: So just having timber that is full of structure, full

570
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: of visual barriers, full of thermal cover, full of brows,

571
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: full of more betting, those are all the benefits to

572
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: doing these things. But yes, I'd say just do it very,

573
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: very carefully, more with like a scalpel, now, very strategically,

574
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: and baby those trees that are you're desirable, so you

575
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 4: don't cause your self issues.

576
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: Do you feel you have been on a bunch of

577
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: arms over the years. Do you feel that for most

578
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: guys that are just getting started and they're thinking of

579
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: wherever they hunt or have mission or the opportunity to improve.

580
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: Do you think that the timber, if there is timber

581
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: on it, one of the best starting points for most farms.

582
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: Is that safe to say?

583
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 4: Is timber stand improvement being the lowest hanging fruit for

584
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: most farms, oh for sure, for sure. And you say

585
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: timberstand improvement, Well that's just an acronym, really, that is

586
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: just it's such a high level term timber stand improvement

587
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: that it could mean so many different things. It could mean,

588
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: you know, well, wait, so I could do timber stand

589
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 4: improvement on a pine or a cedar stand, but I

590
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: could also go do it on these beautiful oaks. Yeah,

591
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: you could do it on both, and they're both very,

592
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: very different. So it's a very broad term.

593
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: But there's i.

594
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: Would say ninety nine percent of cases there's some level

595
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: of timber stand improvement, So improving your timber, whether that's

596
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: thinning out you know, a certain stand. And I would

597
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: say this one's a real common one. Why see the

598
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 4: forest what it is is right, it's stocked correctly, No,

599
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: it's not. Ninety percent of the time is far over stock.

600
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: There's you know, ten trees in this spot where there

601
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: should be one, and a lot of times if you

602
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: want some openings, that means there's ten trees in this

603
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: spot and I bring it down to zero, you know,

604
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: and little pockets here and there. So most most timber

605
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 4: is overstocked. By definition, just because you look and see

606
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: what's there doesn't mean that's ideal, and the vast majority

607
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: of the time it's not. So it could be, you know,

608
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: it could be opening the canopy up. It could be

609
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: crop tree release, which is taking your best quality trees

610
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: and freeing them up. Now you can take that step

611
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: further and say, oh, I'm going to really free them

612
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: up and just start knocking back a lot of your junk,

613
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 4: which you know, one you're you are freeing your crop tree,

614
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: but you're also you know, allowing all that new sunlight,

615
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: new growth and new brows and more betting. So and

616
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: I'll find if I'm doing crop tree release to improve

617
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: my crop trees, I'll find areas where I'm like, hey,

618
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: there's no crop tree here, It's all a solid hickory stand,

619
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: and I might just nuke it, I mean, just wreck it.

620
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: And maybe you know, and if you have solid stands

621
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: like monoculture stands of junk, which do happen, you know, like, hey,

622
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: I just have one or two species of trees there.

623
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: You know, I can thin it back, I can pick

624
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 4: the best one and free it up. But I still

625
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: am stuck with this this blend of this handful of trees. Well,

626
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: then you can get into like interceding different things and

627
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: just you know, hey, there's no oaks on this on

628
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: this and I'd like oaks or or I'd like some

629
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: different softwoods, or I'd like shrubs. Well, you know, doing

630
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 4: timber stand and prove me you can do those both

631
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: at the same time. And then a lot of times

632
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: there's ways to combine those, like, well, now you get

633
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 4: tree tops on the ground, maybe I'll try and plant

634
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: some of these new trees in the treetops. So they're

635
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: kind of a natural deer caage. It's not perfect, but

636
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 4: it's it's a technique that does have its benefits.

637
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: So you know, in a one acre hickory stand, let's

638
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: say there's create hackberry and some black locusts. Let's say,

639
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: and that's the general gist in this one acre plot.

640
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: You you basically start over, how do you know or

641
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 3: how do you encourage positive regrowth? And maybe you would

642
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: like to see a variety of different oaks in there.

643
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: I assume have you ever just thrown out, you know,

644
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: buy a bag of acorns and put them in piles

645
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: and say, get to work squirrels, or I mean, like, what,

646
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: what are some some things that people could do?

647
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 4: Okay, so like something like a black locust, you're gonna

648
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 4: want to treat that and kill it so it doesn't

649
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: come back. That's key. So you might cut it down

650
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: and be like, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna start over.

651
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: If you didn't kill that, you're not starting out. You're

652
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: creating a jungle. So yeah, you could, you could intercede things.

653
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: Like what the approach I would take if I'm going

654
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: to interceed acorns is to overload the squirrels because they'll

655
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: dig them back up, but then they'll replant them. Two

656
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: overload them. And what I do is just find like

657
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: any park in most states will have a diversity of

658
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: oak trees, and a lot of times they're on like

659
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 4: paved roads. Well I just go like sweep them up

660
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: and fill like barrels with them. And you know, I

661
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 4: filled truckloads with these things and didn't take that much time.

662
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: And this is when I was younger and I had

663
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: more energy. And then you could intercede them, you could

664
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 4: scatter them, and then it's just a numbers game. Is

665
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 4: your success rate going to be real high? Depends depends

666
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 4: how you do it depends how far you go with it.

667
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 4: If you were to like direct seat each one of

668
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: them and put them down in there and put them

669
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: in like sheltered areas, you actually probably have a pretty

670
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 4: good success rate. And I would do that. Like here's

671
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: how I think about it. Like I go anything the

672
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: government's involved in, Like look along your highway, and a

673
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: lot of times there's really desirable shrubs in there, like

674
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 4: like high bush, cran barrier like whatever.

675
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a bunch of dogwood on the Wisconsin Highway.

676
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean you could grab all that, grab seeds,

677
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: spend to pull over, hopefully you don't get trouble with

678
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 4: the police, and uh, you know, pull over and go

679
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: fill bags up with dogwood seeds and so on. I mean,

680
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: you know, silly ideas like that. I've done all that

681
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 4: stuff and it does work, So you could do that now.

682
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: It's probably slightly more practical if you're talking about a

683
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: small scale though, like hey, I'm working on five acres,

684
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 4: two acres, one acre, then I probably would just say

685
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: go less and buy like barroot seedlings and just protect them.

686
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 4: Just put put a tube with a really good steak.

687
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: Probably in both sides. I use the tea posts because

688
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: I just pulled tea posts around my farm. Somebody go, oh,

689
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: that's more money and more work, and they're free because

690
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: they pull them. But then your success rate it's way

691
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: up with the tea post in you know, tube them

692
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 4: or cagem for example. Because the biggest failure on trees

693
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: is just I'm just gonna throw a bunch of stuff

694
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: at it and hopefully if you survive, and that's just

695
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: not a good tactic. It's just not so have some

696
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: strategy behind it, and I would just say plant less

697
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: of them and get a higher success rate versus doing

698
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 4: a lot of work and just hoping a few things

699
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: stick without really thinking it through. So less is more

700
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: for sure with tree plannings. But yes, when you're doing

701
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: timber stand improvement, there is a lot of times where

702
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: you're dealing with a handful of species of trees and

703
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 4: you can do as much as you can to open

704
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: that canopy and try and encourage other things to grow there,

705
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 4: but there is a point where you need to change

706
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: the composition of that forest through either plant direct planning

707
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: or you know, nuts berries, And I do a major

708
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: diversity on what you added to that too.

709
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: What are some good sources for someone that needs to

710
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: find what are good species depending on what part of

711
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: the country they're in and where to source them. Like

712
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: I know, Illinois has a tree sale, Iowa has a

713
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 3: tree sale, Missouri has a tree sale.

714
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: I always would start there. I'd always start with your

715
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: state nurseries because it's native trees. They're generally going to

716
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: be the lowest price. And every every nursery could have

717
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: complaints like and you know, every nursery still employs people

718
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: by the hour that make mistakes. So somebody's like, well

719
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: I got this batch and it was no good. Yeah,

720
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: it happens. You know, you've got an employee that maybe

721
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 4: let it sit in the sun. But that's not a

722
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: reflection necessarily on the nurseries. Just stuff like that happens,

723
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 4: and it's happened to me with private nurseries and the

724
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: state ones. But you say, well, the state's a little

725
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: bit bland. They don't have, you know, the cool stuff. Well,

726
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: a lot of times they do, because you know, they'll

727
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 4: have so many diverse choices on like oaks and shrubs,

728
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: and I'll guarantee you you're messing a pile of those

729
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: a pile and they're very very good. So find the

730
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 4: native things that your state nursery sells the natives and

731
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 4: buy the things you don't have, or the things that

732
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: are you know, desirable to your farm. And maybe you say,

733
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: you know, my farm's just got bur oak. Okay, go

734
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: buy pinoak and swamp oak and maybe even some white oak.

735
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: Well white oak aren't going to have acorns for all

736
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: these years there. It's actually faster than you think. If

737
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: you don't have red oak, plant some red oak and

738
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 4: understand the sites they grow on. But I would add

739
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: all those things. But if your farm is and this

740
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 4: is one maybe a little bit contrary to what some

741
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: forsters would recommend. But but if my farm is full

742
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 4: of burroaks, I'm probably not going to go out and

743
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: plant a pile more bur oaks. And somebody say, but

744
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 4: but that means they grow real well on your site. Yeah.

745
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: I still like having diversity too, and I want to

746
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: I want to add some different things that will grow

747
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: ideally on those soils. But and you can start adding

748
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 4: some staples that like, Okay, the state nursery is not

749
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: carrying Chinese chestnuts or Chinese chestnuts going to be invasive. No,

750
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: they're not they're not. Somebody might disagree with me on this,

751
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 4: but they're not. You could add those, you could add

752
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: American person and they do just fine. In most zones

753
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: you start getting way too north. Maybe not. I would

754
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: probably add like crab apple, and I would add I

755
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: like growing things from seed, too, So I have my

756
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 4: little nursery in the backyard or nothing.

757
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: Really, I guess you get the little nursery and then

758
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: you have the cher too.

759
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: But both of them are of scene for the location.

760
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: So my house in a subdivision, I look like a

761
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: hillbilly because I have this big cage train dustry to

762
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: keep the squirrels out. Really, and I'll grow like chestnut

763
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 4: and hazel nut and per simon and dwarf chinkapin oak

764
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: and chinkapin oak and these hybrid oaks that I found

765
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: that's a mix of probably three different types of oaks,

766
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 4: all these weird things. And then I'll actually grow pair

767
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: from seed, and well, I don't quite know what I'm getting.

768
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: That's fine. That part doesn't bother me. I like dis

769
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: messing around with it. And so that's in like town

770
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: kind of. Then you come to my farm and you're like,

771
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you way overdid your tree nurseries and

772
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: your orchards all over the farm, and yeah, I overdid it.

773
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 4: Just do way way less than what I do, which

774
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 4: most people won't know what I do, but it's too much.

775
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: Just do start low, like, hey, I want two hundred trees,

776
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: start with like twenty, then I want two thousands, start

777
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: start with one hundred.

778
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: Just because it's so important to treat those twenty like babies. Yes,

779
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: and two thousand, no tube, no prep, no nothing, because

780
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: you probably won't even end up with twenty trees.

781
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And you know we're digging into the tree

782
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: stuff and you know it's definitely a huge component, no

783
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 4: doubt about it. And I would say, you know, managing forest,

784
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: your forest is going to be your number one. Planting

785
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: trees and stuff like that is generally down the list

786
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: of importance, and the bank for the buck is just

787
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 4: it's a delayed gratification. And you know, but the four

788
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 4: just your forest can have so many instant benefits where

789
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: you know, if I go plant a paratree, which I will,

790
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: I'll go plant a paratree, Well that might be five

791
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: years before it's been now a good amount of fruit. Well,

792
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 4: when I go and do timber stand improvement. That's instantaneous

793
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 4: benefits like the next day, and then throughout that whole

794
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 4: growing season there's just astronomical benefits, nutrition being a huge

795
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: one of those. It's not like I said, it's not like,

796
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 4: well I want more acorns on which I do. I do,

797
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: but that's not the main reason. You know, the TSI

798
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: kills eight ten birds with one stone. It's just phenomenal.

799
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 4: Now you know the food plots is and what I

800
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 4: plan now I farm, so I have to get down

801
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 4: that whole can of worms too, and you know my

802
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 4: brain goes just as deep on those things as well.

803
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I do want to talk about food plot.

804
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: One thing I want to ask is, obviously you've done

805
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: just a ton of projects and your main farm there

806
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: you've had for over a decade. What beyond the deer

807
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: have you noticed on your farm? Do you see all

808
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: different types of birds, wildlife, birds, butterflies, bees across the

809
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: board from all these different things. Cause if you take

810
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: a cruise around anywhere in the Midwest, a lot of

811
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: pasture by overpastured ground. There's a lot of forests that

812
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: have not been improved over the time, and so like

813
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: yours is a playground. What have you noticed beyond just

814
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: more deer and more mature bucks.

815
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: The whole ecosystem flourishes when you do things correctly. So

816
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: like I'm in deer country, and I'll tell people that

817
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 4: if I wanted to go out and shoot my limit

818
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: of pheasants in thirty minutes, it'd be no problem. Like what,

819
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 4: I don't have pheasants around here. I have billions of pheasants,

820
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 4: I have tons of quail. I've got all sorts of diversities.

821
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: My turkey numbers are through the roof. And then you go, well,

822
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: you know, is that just from your habitat? No? No,

823
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 4: because people in there there's the question. People will hit

824
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: me with it. But I have really good habitat too,

825
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 4: and I don't have that many turkeys, and I don't

826
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: have many pheasants. How many coons are you getting rid of? Well,

827
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: we haven't. We haven't trapped coons for a decade. Yeah,

828
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: you have thousands of raccoons out there now, like I'll

829
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: trap You know, we counted before, I mean I was,

830
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 4: I was trapping like six hundred raccoons in one year.

831
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 4: The times we counted six hundred draccoons. So you say, well,

832
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 4: that's a lot of time. Well, just take a a

833
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 4: dog proof trap and put a couple of them at

834
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 4: all your gate entrances. And when you're at the farm,

835
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: film with cat food or peanut cat food and peanut

836
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: butter or corn or fish or whatever you like, marshmallows.

837
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: Just fill them up. Takes two seconds. And here in

838
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 4: Iowa we got to legalized where we can trapped coons

839
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: you round, because they're at epidemic levels. I mean, they're

840
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: doing massive crop damage. And here's the thing is when

841
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 4: you go take six hundred raccoons off the landscape, these

842
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: things that are just walking around every day just sniffing

843
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: out nests. It's why when I was doing my chores

844
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: or doing farm work, I would find and I'm out

845
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: here every day, I'd find all the nests ripped apart

846
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: by coons almost always. So it's like, is that really

847
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 4: that big of a surprise that turkey numbers are down?

848
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 4: When you have fifty gazillion raccoons and possums and skunks around,

849
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 4: it's not a surprise to me. And then somebody says,

850
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: so you're loaded with pheasants and quail and all these

851
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 4: other things, and you don't see ness get torn apart hardly. Ever, No,

852
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: I don't. I'm loaded up with them. And you know,

853
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: and I don't disagree with some of the theories on

854
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 4: like you know, like bird flu impacting turkey populations, or

855
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 4: the seed treatments or the sprays. I mean, some of

856
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: the insecticides very concerning on like turkey populations. But at

857
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 4: the same time, in every direction from my farm, they're

858
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: putting the nastiest stuff on seeds known to man. In

859
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: my turkey population, I'm like, I need to thin them.

860
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: There's millions of them. So I do think there's some

861
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 4: detriments to some of the you know, insecticides and fungicides

862
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: and stuff we're applying to our crops, and I would

863
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: love to see a lot less of it, absolutely, But

864
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: you know, is that the reason that turkey populations are decimated?

865
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily buy it, because I've got an extreme

866
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: example where I just took out the nest predators and

867
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: there's gazillions of turkeys with the same dynamics as everybody

868
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: else who's suffering. And I would say the worst turkey

869
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: populations I've ever seen, where I've seen them tank is

870
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: when I go down to Kansas and that's just, you know,

871
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: my firm belief there is everybody's just gotten, you know.

872
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: And I hunt there every year and I love Kansas.

873
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 4: But I'm just gonna say it, like guys have gotten

874
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: so lazy with I'm just gonna throw a corn piles.

875
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 4: So they don't do habitat improvement. Yeah, there's They hardly

876
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: do food plots. The amount of foot bluff timber stand

877
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 4: improvement in Kansas when you ask people, are you doing

878
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: timber stand improvement, it's a tiny fraction of what it

879
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: has done in Iowa. And I'm back and forth all

880
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: the time. Nobody does it because like, man, I just

881
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 4: do a corn pile. And then you look at their photos.

882
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: Look at this deer. I don't look at the deer.

883
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 4: I go, dude, you got fifty raccoons in that photo

884
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: with the deer. Don't you do anything? Nah? Man, you know,

885
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: like I don't want to mess with it. I just

886
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: do corn piles. And they get lazy. Yeah, and the

887
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 4: habitat and the ecosystem suffers, so you know, and then

888
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: they can't figure out whether there's no turkeys. There's my

889
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: point is I went there twenty years ago.

890
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: This is fact.

891
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 4: I went there twenty and twenty five years ago to Kansas,

892
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 4: and you would see hundreds of turkeys. Just like Iowa,

893
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: you would see very few bait piles. I never I

894
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: don't think I ever saw a bait pile when I

895
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: start going there, and I was all over the place.

896
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: If they were there, they were extremely rare. Now they're

897
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 4: littered across the landscape, like distasteful in my mind, They're everywhere,

898
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: and you go, what happened to all the turkeys? They're gone?

899
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 4: I mean there's a few, but it's nothing like it

900
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: used to be. Well, you've kind of supplemented this raccoon population,

901
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: plus nobody's trapping them, plus you're throwing out massive corn,

902
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 4: plus you don't want to take the time to deal

903
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 4: with it. And now you guys have probably double triple quadruples,

904
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: I mean some staggering figure of raccoons that are raiding

905
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: the nests every year. It's like, how can a turkey

906
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: have have a nest out there? I don't even hardly

907
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: get it how it's even possible. So you know, that's

908
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 4: when you start impacting the whole ecosystem by making certain

909
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 4: choices that ripple the different animals. And this is coming

910
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: from a guy who doesn't turkey hot, and I'm not

911
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: going to go shoot a pheasant off my phone. I'll

912
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 4: go up to northern Iowa where it doesn't mess up

913
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 4: my deer hunting, and then I'll hunt. But I'm not

914
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: going to turkey hunt. My guess. Well, so I like

915
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 4: there to be turkeys, I like there to be quail.

916
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: But I like the ecosystem. Those are indicator species. They're

917
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 4: indicators of health, and just like the bees and the

918
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: butterflies and all these things, you know, I like having

919
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 4: them around, and I think it's indicative of a better

920
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: quality environment and a healthier ecosystem and things. Things are

921
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: far more linked together than anybody would realize. Like, you know,

922
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 4: I want I just want big deer. Okay, Well you

923
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 4: know coyotes. How many coyotes do you have? That's that's

924
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: a big component of it. It's a huge component of it.

925
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 4: You know, all these things are just interlinked. So you know,

926
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: if I go to a farm that has in general

927
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: just lots of brows, lots of good nutritious food, whether

928
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: it's plots or forest, along with robust habitat, and then

929
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: people are taking out, you know, the highly populated things

930
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 4: that are that are rippling through the ecosystem that maybe

931
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: aren't natural, like yeah, not trapping raccoons for ten years.

932
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: Maybe they are at you know, too high of a

933
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: level that isn't sustainable, and you balance that out. And

934
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: let's let's just face it, any big game, small game, really,

935
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: any animal in the Midwest is going to be managed

936
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: by humans, good or bad. So we just have to

937
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 4: figure out do we want to do the good things

938
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: for them? Do we want to try and balance them

939
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: ourselves and take the time to do it, and and

940
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 4: does it work? Absolutely, it works. It makes a huge

941
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: difference on the health of this or you know, the

942
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 4: balance here. Man's intervention is key here. It just is.

943
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: So a lot of people don't want to do that,

944
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: and that's okay if you don't, but just understand it's

945
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: going to have consequences. And like, hey, I have a

946
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: you know, huge ranch here and nobody is allowed to

947
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 4: shoot a coyote ever and nobody's trapped for decades. You're

948
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 4: gonna have detriment because of that. It's going to cause

949
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: you major problems. So all these things are just interlinked

950
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: and intertwined.

951
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: That's a really good point because I think we all

952
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: get stuck on the fun stuff, unless you like trapping raccoons.

953
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 3: I mean, most people look at it as a chore,

954
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: right mostly it is kinda it can be fun. It's

955
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: kind of rewarding though, absolutely, But I think for most

956
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: people are like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that.

957
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: So here's and I hear that all the time, so

958
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: and I just tell them, I'm like, dude, just get

959
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 4: a couple of coon traps at every gate. Maybe it's

960
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 4: five of them, and they're around. Sometimes you'll have all

961
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 4: five filled and just put them and you know you're

962
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: gonna do your chores, and when you're there, set them

963
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: for the night and then dump them all it takes you.

964
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: And once they're set in the ground, you know you

965
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 4: could leave them there get a little rusty. But we're

966
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: talking a matter of a few minutes. And that's with

967
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 4: anything though, that's with anything, if you want it to

968
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: be better. There's the people that are like, I'll take

969
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 4: the few minutes to do this and their farm is

970
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: better off for it. Then there's the guys like I

971
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 4: don't have time and I can't and I don't want to,

972
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: and okay, I mean that's human nature on anything. Anything.

973
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: That's why you know the habitat on most farms is

974
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 4: far from ideal. Yeah, keep going with this. It's why

975
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 4: most of society is overweight. Do you not know how

976
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 4: to stay in shape? Do you not know that if

977
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 4: you eat healthy and go to the gym and being great?

978
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: Well I do, but I did don't want to do it,

979
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 4: So I don't want to do it human nature, Yeah,

980
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 4: it is one hundred percent. I want to weave back

981
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: into the food plots you mentioned. For most people, they

982
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 4: probably don't.

983
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: Need a drill if they plant an acre food plot

984
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: half acre food plot. So how from a habitat and

985
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 3: conservation minded approach, how do you plant a half acre

986
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: food plot? In your mind? And let's get more specific too,

987
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: whether it's a clover or a fall blend of greens,

988
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: What's what's your approach?

989
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: So you know, everything truly does have its pluses and minuses.

990
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: So somebody might say I don't like herbicides. Well, if

991
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: you tell the soil, don't think there's not environmental impacts

992
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 4: from that, right, and soil loss and huge detriment. Now

993
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 4: am I a proponent of herbicides? I guess I would

994
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 4: be kind of in the middle where it's like, I

995
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: don't want to be constantly exposed to herbicides. I don't

996
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 4: want them drenching on everything all the time. But used,

997
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: you know, so I just try and minimize their use.

998
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: And if a guy has like half an acre, you

999
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: could and you'd say, well, what what's practical without you know,

1000
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: tillege equipment or a drill or whatever. Clovers fit right

1001
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: into that and that's easy. So a half acre you

1002
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 4: literally could go out and frost seed that. You could

1003
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: still probably do it now there's still frosts that's coming

1004
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 4: in a lot of the forecast, which just sucks that

1005
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: seed right up to the soil. It just just hold

1006
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: it there perfect. So that's a great time to do it.

1007
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: So you spread the clover. And even if you're like,

1008
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 4: but right now, I just got this grass patch, Okay,

1009
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 4: take your backpack sprayer, then fill it with clethenhum and

1010
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 4: crop oil and just go over it with the backpack.

1011
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 4: But that's that took me thirty minutes an hour. Okay, fine,

1012
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 4: bring an extra few jugs to fill it up and

1013
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 4: just sit there and spray that grass with clethenum and

1014
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 4: crop oil when it comes up later, and you could

1015
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: have a clover plot, and you know, you could take

1016
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 4: that a step further and be like, you know, I'm

1017
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 4: generally in a area with low pH soils. So you

1018
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 4: take your same backpack sprayer spreader and you put pelotize

1019
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: line in there, and then you put a bag of

1020
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: P and K in there and you spread that. Oh

1021
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: that took me fifteen minutes minutes on each of those.

1022
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 4: I mean, this is very minimal stuff, very very easy.

1023
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 4: Even if you're like, hey, oh yeah, I mean to

1024
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 4: put to do one hundred pounds of poetize line, for example,

1025
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 4: which is all right on a half acre clover one,

1026
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: it will make a difference absolutely. And two, I mean

1027
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: that might take twenty five minutes. For example. Usually you're

1028
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 4: getting frustrated if you're by yourself because you're trying to

1029
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 4: hold the bag open if you have a bag as

1030
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: opposed to like something for and then it's spilling over,

1031
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: and then you're getting ticked off, like, I get that's

1032
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: still this day, I'll spill seed or whatever, and I

1033
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 4: get mad.

1034
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: I just got that. I got that, I got the

1035
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: bucket Earthway spread Yeah that year, just because I got

1036
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: so sick of spilling stuff. I'm pretty clumsy.

1037
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 4: Those are definitely nicer. And I ordered one of those

1038
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 4: the other day and they sent me so I heard

1039
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 4: the Earthway and they sent me a different brand, Chapping

1040
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 4: or something, and I went to spin it and it

1041
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: was so hard. I'm like, man, I'm not in bad

1042
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: shape at all. I'm in very good shape. But I'm like,

1043
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 4: after sixty seconds, this thing is so hard to turn.

1044
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 4: So I sent it back. But I'll probably get that

1045
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 4: that Earthway one if they can get it right. But yeah,

1046
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 4: you know, a bag spreader can do a lot of stuff.

1047
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: And you know, clover, for example, would be a staple

1048
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 4: for nutrition, not just shooting, and we can dig into

1049
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 4: that a little bit deeper. But like, I don't look

1050
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 4: at food plots or crops or or even the stuff

1051
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: I was talking about with timber stanmprovement is like, well,

1052
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 4: I'm going to have this opening here or this food

1053
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 4: plot here so I can just kill a deer. That's

1054
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 4: not why I do it. It's some of the reason.

1055
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: And I would say most people's reason for planning food

1056
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 4: plot is like that's where I'm going to shoot a deer.

1057
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 4: I don't think along those terms, and I'm not saying

1058
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 4: others should think the way I do, not necessarily, but

1059
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: a big component of what I'm thinking about is optimal

1060
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: nutrition across my whole farm, across my food plots, across

1061
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: my timber. Optimal nutrition year round is what I want.

1062
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: And clover is a great staple to offer that, and

1063
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 4: clover can do both. Clover can be a component of

1064
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 4: optimal nutrition. And I would say clover has to be

1065
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 4: a component every single person's farm period, and a story

1066
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 4: has to for nutritional reasons. From right now, look at

1067
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 4: the clover right now. Those deer, especially the bucks that

1068
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 4: are like run it out, they're just picking at every

1069
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 4: little green thing that pops up, and it's green, and

1070
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 4: it's popping up right now where You're like, is there

1071
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 4: any soybeans right now? No, We're a long ways from that.

1072
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: So clover is replenishing these deer skeletal structures, replenishing their

1073
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: bodies and giving them high rates of protein actually along

1074
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 4: with other nutrients. So clover will be desired really even

1075
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: in the winter when there's snow, they'll pull at it,

1076
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 4: eat it all the way to Yeah, I hunt over

1077
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: it in the fall, and I mean it's almost a

1078
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 4: year round food source.

1079
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: It really is.

1080
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 4: It's almost a year round food source, so clover has

1081
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: to be a component.

1082
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: So would you say, would you say clover is the

1083
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: most attractive for the most amount of time out of

1084
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: any food source.

1085
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 4: One hundred person. It's definitely more attractive. It has more

1086
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: benefits than alfalfa. And I have alfalfa fields. I love alfalfa,

1087
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 4: and alfalfa is more like, I gotta have alfalfa fields

1088
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 4: because that's cool. It's different, it's next level, and it

1089
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 4: is it's harder to get established, it's plusier.

1090
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: Do you like it?

1091
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 4: You can bail it, But clover versus alfalfa, I'll take

1092
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: clover every time, and all of my alfalfa fields where

1093
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 4: I bail them, or I put a grazing type alfalfa

1094
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 4: with a very leafy type of alfalfa, I'll still have like,

1095
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: hey man, that's a ten acre alfalfa field you have

1096
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: there that you bail, and one acre of it is clovers.

1097
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: And I can sit there and watch the alfalfa field

1098
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 4: and be like, I know when they're in the alfalfa

1099
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: when they prefer that, and when they're in the clover

1100
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 4: room when they prefer that. And I would say, just

1101
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: to make a long story short, if you want to

1102
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 4: do alfalfa, that's fine, and there's a place for it,

1103
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 4: and it has its benefits, some of the benefits over clovers.

1104
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 4: But overall, if you weigh the two alclover is going

1105
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 4: to be better. They're just going to be more desired

1106
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 4: and used far longer into the season. And that's my

1107
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 4: experience over and over and over, year after year after

1108
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 4: year watching these fields with alfalfa and clover in them.

1109
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: So just to wrap a quick bow on it, establishing

1110
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: clover for anybody, even me, dummy me that planted sugar

1111
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 4: beets with a rake in the forest at fourteen and

1112
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 4: used my mom's rake just to recap. I could go

1113
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 4: get clover done. That fourteen year old could get clover done.

1114
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 4: And literally a bag spreader or any kind of a

1115
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: spreader and probably a backpack sprayer with cleft them and

1116
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 4: crop oil maybe butterac. If you get different weeds in there,

1117
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 4: broad leaf weeds, and if you could clip it, you

1118
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 4: know I would, Yeah, there we go. I got my

1119
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 4: grandparents old lawnmower. When they upgrade their lawnmower, they gave

1120
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 4: me their lawn boy, and I would do my food,

1121
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 4: you know, I'd mow my clover with that. Not not ideal,

1122
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: but you know, if you could clip it. Well, here's

1123
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 4: the other one I did too. I'd use a weed

1124
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 4: whipper forever, took forever, but again another tool that's cheap

1125
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 4: that everybody has to solve the same problem. So maybe

1126
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: you clip it once, especially the first year. I probably

1127
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: would clip it because you're gonna get weeds in there.

1128
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, you could frost. See that. Now, if a

1129
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 4: guy wanted to go drill it and wait and add oats,

1130
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 4: or I want to do this or smooth out soil

1131
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 4: a little bit and lightly disc it and cold to packet,

1132
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: that's great too. It's great have a little more weeds

1133
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 4: to deal with. But if you can do that, then

1134
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: you can probably clip it. And you can probably split

1135
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 4: spray with cleft and crop oil and butter act two

1136
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 4: four d B not two four D but two four

1137
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 4: d B. And if you read the alfalfah read the

1138
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 4: label on alfalfa, you can tank mix those two. And

1139
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: I tank mix those two. I guess it's that's technically

1140
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 4: for alfalfa, but I did tank makes it. Maybe it

1141
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: somehow cross that line and got into my clovers and

1142
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: it turned out fantastic. Takes care of every weed. I

1143
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 4: don't I don't need round up ready alf alpha. You

1144
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 4: can use clothing them, crop oil, and butterac and it

1145
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 4: really should cover about everything other than maybe sedge, which

1146
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: you can use sed shamber.

1147
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: So there you go.

1148
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 4: Anybody can do this super simple now, really quickly. To

1149
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: answer your other question, though, what if I want to

1150
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 4: do greens, Well, greens are going to be this like

1151
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: like brassicas or rhymex. You could do the same thing.

1152
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 4: It's going to be a little bit a little bit

1153
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 4: trickier because you're not dealing with like frost suck in

1154
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: the seed close to soil. But you could spray it,

1155
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 4: kill it off. You could maybe lightly scratch it and

1156
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 4: broadcast brassicas into there radish turn ups and you know

1157
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 4: you got one component there. If you do want to

1158
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 4: add nitrogen, you either have to time the nitrogen application

1159
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: right for a rain, which most people know, but I'll

1160
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 4: still mention it, or you just get agurtain and treat

1161
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: your urea so it doesn't evaporate, and then you can

1162
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 4: just go right over the top in your bag spreader

1163
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 4: again with treated urea and that won't evaporate. So and

1164
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 4: literally a guy could be like, man, I got to

1165
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 4: go to the co op to get treated. Youuia, you could.

1166
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 4: You can buy a jug of this, put it in

1167
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 4: your backpack sprayer and put a tarp out with your

1168
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 4: urea and spray your urea with this stuff and then

1169
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 4: it doesn't evaporate and it's worth taking the time to

1170
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: do that versus being like, yeah, I put urea out

1171
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 4: and didn't rain for the rink and it was ninety

1172
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 4: degrees and it's all gone. You know, don't do that

1173
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 4: or you know, well I'll just disc it all in.

1174
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 4: How much time does that take?

1175
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: A lot?

1176
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 4: What does it do to your soil? It's not great.

1177
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 4: So doing treated aureas has huge benefits and a little

1178
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 4: bit of time to treat some with a backpack sprayer

1179
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 4: with agurtain and a little bit of cost. Well a

1180
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 4: jug costs me a couple of undred bucks. It' last

1181
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 4: a long time, super super effective. So again, bag spreader,

1182
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: backpack sprayer, kill off gly, kill off whatever is there,

1183
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 4: heavy gly maybe ammonium sulfate with it, maybe two four

1184
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 4: D if you've got some really nasty stuff, and just

1185
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 4: make sure it is dead and then maybe scratch it

1186
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 4: and intercede it. And you can do a lot of

1187
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 4: things like that. You can do rye like that, you

1188
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: can do clovers like that in the fall, like late summer.

1189
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 4: You could do breasts because like that, he's not so much. Oh,

1190
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 4: it's not so much. They're a little fussier, but like

1191
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 4: rye win or wheat we'll do. Okay, there's a lot

1192
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 4: of things you can do.

1193
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 3: That. One thing I want to bring up to and

1194
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 3: you've touched on this with nighte Gen and basically MPK,

1195
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 3: how important in terms of conservation and for the nutrition

1196
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 3: of all animals eating out of these plots is soil

1197
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: health because I think a lot of people want just

1198
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 3: the simple aesthetics of a good looking food plot, but

1199
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: the soil health. What is your opinion on it? And

1200
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: I and that's a that topic has a lot more

1201
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: buzz than probably three years ago in my opinion, but

1202
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 3: I think it's important to bring up and get your perspective.

1203
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's a lot that's missed with

1204
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 4: soil health. So people are like, you know, the general

1205
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 4: ones like being kay, that's soil health, right, No, No,

1206
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 4: that's a component of it. But your organic matter will

1207
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 4: probably be your number one component. Well, that's not what

1208
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 4: he's asking kind of is you know, if your organic

1209
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: matter is five versus two, it's a huge difference on

1210
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 4: your nutrition, on the success of your plot. What's going

1211
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 4: to grow there, what's going to be able to be utilized,

1212
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 4: all the all the nutrients that are going to be

1213
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 4: able to be utilized by the plants with your organic

1214
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 4: matter and surviving a drought, Well, how do I improve

1215
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 4: that organic matter? Well, plant high biomass crops or plots

1216
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 4: high biomass. Don't till I add, like compost a grade

1217
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 4: of food matter. That's how I fertilize or cattle manure.

1218
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 4: People aren't going to do that, they're just not so

1219
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 4: high biomass. Things like rye corn sorghums, milos with probably

1220
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 4: some legumes blended in there for nitrogen will be a

1221
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 4: great way to build your soil. Don't tear it up.

1222
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: And you know your pH will probably be next, because

1223
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: you know, if you say, I keep hearing P and

1224
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 4: K fosterous and potassium, but your pH is wrong one,

1225
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 4: you're all the calcium that critters need will not be there,

1226
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 4: and then everything that the plant needs to grow PK

1227
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 4: and then a whole nother list which I'm going to

1228
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: get into and address this, because this is missed all

1229
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 4: the time. Those plants can't uptake that. So pH would

1230
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 4: be like next, with organic matter next in importance. So

1231
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 4: getting your pH right, you know, six five to seven

1232
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: is ideal. In some areas, it's like, well my pH

1233
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 4: is eight, I'm in this you know, uh spot where

1234
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 4: the soils. The other way, well, you'd have to add

1235
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 4: a lot of sulfur to deal with that, right, which is.

1236
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 3: Probably a lot more rare.

1237
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 4: It's it's more rare. But in Iowa there's a line.

1238
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 4: If you get into northwest Iowa, you start getting into

1239
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 4: higher phs. So guys will use more sulfur, and once

1240
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 4: in a while they use gypsum, which is fairly neutral.

1241
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 4: It's got calcium and sulfur. But you do got to

1242
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 4: address it in the same for the same reason. So,

1243
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 4: and if your pH is like six or five. If

1244
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 4: it's five, you got big issues. You know, stuff isn't

1245
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 4: really going to want to grow there and it's not

1246
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 4: going to take up the nutrition that it should without

1247
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 4: the proper pH. So and what you would notice if

1248
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 4: you ate two plants, like you had a garden with

1249
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 4: the proper pH, and you had a garden with the

1250
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 4: wrong pH, one would taste very bland. You'd be like,

1251
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 4: and you'll notice this at the store. If you buy

1252
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 4: like cheap produce that's grown in like Central America and

1253
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 4: junk soils and they're just putting the basics on it,

1254
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: it will taste bland. Like an apple. Go eat an

1255
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 4: apple from the store that's from Central America, and then

1256
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 4: go eat an apple that's grown in the Midwest. Your brain

1257
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 4: will instantly know it. One is packed with nutrients, one

1258
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: is bland. Well, that's what would happen with a garden.

1259
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 4: If you put two gardens next to each other. One's

1260
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 4: pH is correct, one has the proper calcium levels and

1261
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 4: all the other nutrients to which are critical, and one

1262
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 4: the pH was wrong. One one would have smaller plants,

1263
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 4: less healthy plants, but they would taste bland. The one

1264
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 4: with the proper pH would be flavorful, and it would

1265
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 4: your brain would would recognize this, and it would crave

1266
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 4: without you even knowing, it would crave the proper pH.

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 4: Garden with packed with nutrition. So when your pH is correct,

1268
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: now your plants can uptake all the other things and

1269
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 4: It's not just P and K. I cannot emphasize this enough.

1270
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 4: It is not just P and K. I mean, granted,

1271
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 4: you have nitrogen, which is the other huge component, which

1272
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 4: is a different subject. I'm going to leave nitrogen out though.

1273
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 4: But like our sulfur deficiencies are very rare, are very

1274
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 4: common across the Midwest. Okay, so almost everybody listening to this,

1275
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 4: I will guarantee you if you pull a soil sample,

1276
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 4: and you should pull a soil sample, absolutely you're going

1277
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 4: to be fifteen to twenty pounds deficient on sulfur. I

1278
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 4: almost guarantee it. I guarantee you you will be low

1279
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 4: on boron. Ninety percent of the people listening to this

1280
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 4: will be low on bora. You will be probably low

1281
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 4: on manganese. You will probably be low on zinc. You

1282
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: will probably be low on copper. You will probably be

1283
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 4: high in magnesium. And you probably have people, if I

1284
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 4: say a strong majority, will be high and iron. Thus,

1285
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 4: I need to figure out how to supplement boron manganese, copper, zinc.

1286
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 4: What the heck? This guy's a chemistry teacher, boring me

1287
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 4: out of my mind? How do I fix this? Just

1288
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 4: understand that a co op and a lot of the

1289
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 4: different folio sprays you can get. You can. There's ways

1290
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 4: to fix this and most of the co ops now

1291
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 4: because there's such a Midwest problem with all these deficiencies,

1292
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 4: offer most of these things. They're for sure your co

1293
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 4: op for sure, if they're any bit decent, is going

1294
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 4: to be able to get or have sulfur on hand.

1295
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 4: Solfur is the biggest efficiency problem. We have a crowd

1296
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 4: some Midwest that people pay attention to. Now you can.

1297
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 4: You could get online and say, hey, I'm going to

1298
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 4: order some boron, I'm going to order some zinc.

1299
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 3: You know.

1300
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 4: But but what you need to do really so so

1301
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 4: I don't confuse people and make this sound like a

1302
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 4: chemistry discussion, is just go get your soil samples.

1303
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: Do it.

1304
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 4: Just get a probe any way to get a soil

1305
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 4: column that's six inches deep. They get you a good

1306
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 4: representation from the top to down six inches doesn't need

1307
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,560
Speaker 4: to be perfect. Send it in and get the full analysis.

1308
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 4: So all your macros and all your micros, and with

1309
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 4: that it will tell you on every sample you know,

1310
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 4: one A, one B, one B C. You're gonna label

1311
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 4: them all different around your field. There'll be different results.

1312
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 4: It's gonna tell you what your organic matter is, which

1313
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 4: is a big deal. That's the first thing you want

1314
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 4: to look at. It's gonna tell you what your pH is.

1315
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 4: The second thing you're gonna look at. It's gonna tell

1316
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 4: you what all your macros and your micros are. That's

1317
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 4: the third thing you're gonna want to look at. If

1318
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: you're a nerd like me, you're gonna start looking at

1319
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 4: your exchange ratios and your buffer index and all this

1320
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 4: stuff to worry about that. Don't worry about that. That

1321
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 4: will be region based like sandy soils stuff like that.

1322
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: But pH, organic matter, macros, and micros. Test for all

1323
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 4: those and address all of those is the work you

1324
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 4: can do.

1325
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: It Is it worth doing that on a half acre

1326
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 3: FOD plot? Because I guarantee someone listening right now is thinking, man,

1327
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 3: it's only a half acre food plot. Is it really

1328
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 3: worth all that effort? You know, the twelve or twenty

1329
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 3: dollars soil sample and then going and getting whatever it is,

1330
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 3: two hundred pounds of product from the co op. Is

1331
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 3: it worth it?

1332
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 4: So put put it in context, then you know half

1333
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 4: acre you're you know, if I added all the high

1334
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,440
Speaker 4: level if I'm really deficient on all these things. Yeah,

1335
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 4: you have to.

1336
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 3: You have to.

1337
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you'll grow a mediocre plot at best. But

1338
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 4: if you're really deficient, even on a half acre, you know,

1339
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 4: you'll see a huge difference with the results, like the

1340
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 4: amount of tonnage it will produce. The desirability to the deer.

1341
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 4: If you are very deficient versus deficient versus like, hey,

1342
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 4: I fix this will be vastly different. So you know

1343
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 4: we're talking about you know, in a half acre, I

1344
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 4: mean the most the worst soils. I could think of

1345
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 4: a few hunds. Yeah, you know, I had to add this,

1346
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 4: and I had to do this, and I had to

1347
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 4: do this a few hundred bucks to make your plot

1348
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 4: far more desirable. I think it's worth it.

1349
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 3: Well, that's and I think you would say all I

1350
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 3: have is a half acre, So you would want to

1351
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 3: make that half acre as great as possible.

1352
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. It'd be like seeing, I'm going to

1353
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 4: take the time to carve out a little garden in

1354
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 4: my backyard for my family. Are you gonna pull the weeds?

1355
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 4: Are you gonna you know, are you gonna take care

1356
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 4: of that? Are you gonna skimp on everything? You know?

1357
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 4: Then just don't plan it, right, I mean, if you're

1358
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 4: not gonna do anything. These are basic things. Though it's

1359
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 4: not that complex, it might be the first Here's the

1360
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 4: most complex part of it is doing it for the

1361
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 4: first time. Well, I don't know how to do a

1362
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 4: soil test, and that was hard to figure out which

1363
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 4: one to ask for. I went to Midwest Labs and

1364
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 4: I realized it was SC three was the code I

1365
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 4: needed to submit, and it was a little bit hard

1366
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 4: for me to get through the website. Well, just call

1367
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 4: them up and say what soil sample do I need?

1368
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 4: How do I send this in? And you spend twenty

1369
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 4: dollars and a half acre plot maybe forty because you

1370
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 4: pull two samples, and then you been two hundred bucks

1371
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 4: correcting the worst parts of your plot. Well, you don't

1372
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 4: ever really have to go to that extent ever again,

1373
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 4: and next time you do, now you know how to

1374
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 4: do it, so it's easy. Just doing it the first

1375
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 4: time is the hardest part period.

1376
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 3: Which would probably be all of these projects we talked about. Yes,

1377
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 3: it's the learning curve of doing it, and I think

1378
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: that Skip, can you give everyone permission right now to

1379
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 3: not do every project perfect?

1380
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 4: I've done every project, the wrong way, the sideways way,

1381
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 4: just I've made every mistake. But I also had to

1382
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 4: go from no knowledge, no tools, to hey, I got

1383
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 4: a riding lawn. More to hey, I got a four

1384
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 4: wheeler with a carrow. And then all of a sudden,

1385
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 4: I got a small tractor. Then I have a medium

1386
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 4: sized tractor. Now have a big tractor with auto steer

1387
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 4: and precision planning and you know variable rate spreading on fertilizer.

1388
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,520
Speaker 4: And you know, so in every step throughout that process

1389
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 4: of trying to accomplish the same goals at different scales,

1390
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 4: and made huge mistakes. I planned when it was muddy,

1391
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 4: don't play in the mud. Why because it will be

1392
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 4: a compacted mess. Play in the mud. Your crops will

1393
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 4: be a dud plant the dust, your grain bins will bust.

1394
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 4: Whatever the saying is silly things like that. I had

1395
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 4: to learn every single one of these things the hard way,

1396
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 4: all of them, because nobody was there to teach me

1397
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 4: these things. And now you do have some things that

1398
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 4: I didn't. I was maybe too stupid to utilize or

1399
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 4: they didn't exist, which is you know, all the the

1400
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 4: information online and you know that's when I got involved

1401
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 4: in like iowaytail. I'm like, oh, here's all the solutions,

1402
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 4: all these things, and you know, spending a year on

1403
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 4: that website, I'm like, oh my gosh, I did a

1404
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 4: lot of dumb stuff. Uh, and that fixed a lot

1405
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 4: of my issues right there. And now you you know,

1406
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 4: there's websites, there's content like this. There's all sorts of

1407
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,520
Speaker 4: sources for people who are seeking wisdom or seeking solutions,

1408
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 4: or seeking to eliminate mistakes and do things more efficiently.

1409
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 4: I mean, there's plenty of information. I would say, it's

1410
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 4: almost like the opposite now where it's like there's too

1411
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 4: much information. Yeah, so you're trying to sort through what's

1412
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 4: the garbage, what's the garbage, and what's great? And there

1413
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 4: is a lot of garbage out there. That's the only

1414
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: discouraging thing I would say to people. There's some things

1415
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 4: that are just.

1416
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 3: What percentage? What percentage do you think is well, let

1417
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 3: me ask you this. With the content that you watch

1418
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 3: or hear about, or whatever the case may be, do

1419
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 3: you think it comes from a place of ignorance or

1420
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 3: a different motive of the person that's sharing it. Maybe

1421
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 3: they have something to sell or they're just trying to

1422
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: be an expert when they're not quite an expert yet.

1423
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 3: Why do you think that is the case? And what

1424
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 3: would be a tip to make sure you're getting good info.

1425
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 4: All of the above? I think when you're if you're

1426
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 4: really sponsored a certain way and the money's info into

1427
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 4: you a certain way, you're going to push a certain

1428
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 4: mindset and a certain type of products and a certain method.

1429
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 4: I think the other way though. The other thing though,

1430
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 4: his guys are like, listen, I did this system at

1431
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 4: one point to make a successful food plot, and I

1432
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 4: continue to have a pretty darn good food plot. So

1433
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to say that's the best way for everybody, Like, like,

1434
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 4: hey man, yep, see, watch me use my rotary tiller,

1435
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 4: go down eight inches in the soil, then pack it

1436
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 4: to plant a clover seed that's going an eighth of

1437
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 4: an inch deep. It works, it will turn out. Now.

1438
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 4: Is there huge downsides to that, huge problems that come

1439
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 4: up with that?

1440
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

1441
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 4: Yes there is. Is that the incorrect way to do it? Yes,

1442
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm going to say it. That is the incorrect way

1443
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 4: to do it, But you will see people doing it crazy.

1444
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 4: The rotary tillers should all be sold for scrap. It

1445
01:16:54,920 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 4: should all be torn apart and made into no hotel

1446
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 4: drills or or packers or harrows. There's a few pieces

1447
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 4: out there like it does not belong in the Midwest

1448
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 4: and maybe rare circumstances, you know, well, and my buddies

1449
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 4: will be well, dude, I only used it one time

1450
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 4: to smooth out soil, and a will never use it again. Okay,

1451
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,919
Speaker 4: you know there's little caveats there.

1452
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 3: But.

1453
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh so I would say there's a lot of

1454
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 4: ignorance and it worked this way. And I have buddies

1455
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 4: they're like, well, I'm gonna keep killing because my plots

1456
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 4: turn out fine. And they do, but they and I'll say, well,

1457
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 4: how many times do you have to spray for weeds

1458
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 4: a bunch? It's like, dude, I don't have to spray

1459
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 4: for weeds with my brass because I never spram and

1460
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: then and then the other one like Braskis is a

1461
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 4: great example because it's always grown in a vulnerable time

1462
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 4: of year where success where failure rates are higher. And

1463
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 4: had you grown corn the same way or anything with

1464
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 4: the same things going against it as brass, because you'd

1465
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 4: see a lot more failures. It's just you have more

1466
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 4: forgiveness planning things earlier. But Brasskis is a great example

1467
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 4: because guys are like, well, dude, if I tear up

1468
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 4: the soil and I do this, I still have a

1469
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 4: great brascal pot. But I'll ask them a lot of years,

1470
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 4: how many times did you have to spray this year?

1471
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 4: A bunch and then the common one. I'll bet you

1472
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,799
Speaker 4: half the guys I know, if not seventy five percent

1473
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 4: to do that, have Brasica failures. Now that's a lot,

1474
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 4: like over half fifty one percent at a minimum, Like, yeah, dude,

1475
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 4: they did. Nothing's grown there. I have never had a

1476
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 4: Brassica failure. Ever.

1477
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 3: Why do you think they're failed?

1478
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 4: Because they're tearing up the soil and all their moistures

1479
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 4: going away, and they're getting all this weed pressure which

1480
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 4: is taking even more moisture out. It's competing with their plants,

1481
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 4: and they're degrading their soils year a year for a year.

1482
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: So while I'm building my soils and my organic matter

1483
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 4: went from like four to five and a half, they

1484
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 4: probably went from like four to three. And little by

1485
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 4: little they're like, hey, it's still working. But ten years

1486
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 4: from now they're going to be like, I'm having more

1487
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 4: failures and I can't really grow things. And I'm not

1488
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 4: even gonna play Brascus anymore. And I know a lot

1489
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 4: of guys. I'm just sick of the failures. It's always dry,

1490
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 4: we have a drought. It's like you part, you're part

1491
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 4: of the reason for that, on what you did to

1492
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 4: your soils. So uh, just because there's a successful way

1493
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 4: to do something, it's it's it's a lot like how

1494
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 4: corn is done here. I mean, guys, on these you know,

1495
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 4: really erodible ridge tops that are two percent organic matter,

1496
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 4: have to go till the living daylights out of the

1497
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 4: soil and they have a good stand of corn. Now

1498
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 4: with the hybrids, they can tolerate some of the more

1499
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 4: poor soil, but they're they're continually degrading their soil. It's

1500
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 4: just getting worse and worse and worse. And they're in

1501
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 4: a way their hope is the hybrids will just get better.

1502
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 3: So they've.

1503
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 4: But had they been enhancing their soils the whole time, uh,

1504
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 4: they they have less inputs and they'd have a more

1505
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 4: robust crop. And now where you really see the farmers,

1506
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 4: this is like real world. I have to grow things

1507
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 4: to live. The farmers that do that, you know, they

1508
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 4: might shine on a year when the weather's great. But

1509
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 4: hey man, I degraded my soil. It's junk, it's two

1510
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 4: percent organic matter. And then they get hit with a

1511
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 4: drought and their yields really whatever hybrid just get just

1512
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 4: get clobbered. Where had they taken great care of that

1513
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 4: soil and built it up, they probably wouldn't have had

1514
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 4: such a devastating result.

1515
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think the theme of this is figure

1516
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: out a way to add more to your ground, improve

1517
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 3: it rather than extract. Yes, which would be in my opinion,

1518
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 3: like the definition of conservation.

1519
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 4: And you know, I would just say, the more you

1520
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: do to add to nutrition, you know, which all all

1521
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 4: these things intertwined, just like the ecology we were talking

1522
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 4: about earlier. But the more you do to add to

1523
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 4: your nutrition of your plants, of you know, there's more brows.

1524
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 4: This translates into bigger bucks, absolutely bigger bucks. And you

1525
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 4: might say, well, the bucks around you only get to four, fine,

1526
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 4: but that four year old will be bigger. He'll have more.

1527
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 4: Like I'm looking at a table full of sheds that

1528
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,959
Speaker 4: are just like all full of like beating and splits

1529
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 4: and kickers. And when I got this farm, you didn't

1530
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 4: see that stuff, you will have bigger deer because of it.

1531
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 4: You'll see that. You'll see it in the racks, like

1532
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 4: you'll see all the beating and like, whoa, the three

1533
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 4: year olds used to look like this. Now man, they

1534
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 4: have a lot more of you know, the extra stuff

1535
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 4: you give them, the proper nutrition, which some of that

1536
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 4: can be like artificial stuff too. I mean there's supplementation,

1537
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 4: there's mineral there's you know, even even stump sprouts, you know,

1538
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 4: and and areas that have soybeans or alf alpha versus

1539
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 4: areas that not that don't are gonna make huge differences.

1540
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 4: But you know, getting the nutrition on your farm done

1541
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 4: in a variety of ways, whether that's through the forest,

1542
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 4: the plots, is going to create bigger deer. It will

1543
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 4: make substantial differences in the inches that deer can actually

1544
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 4: put on. And then you know where you tie habitat together.

1545
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, now the cover component, what does that

1546
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 4: do well? That allows those deer with proper cover to

1547
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 4: get to those older ages right and not get shot

1548
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 4: at the younger ages because they don't have ideal cover,

1549
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 4: they don't want to be there, they leave all these

1550
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 4: other regions. So proper habitat really does combine ideal nutrition

1551
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 4: with safe habitat to reach the older ages, which is

1552
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 4: what people need in any region. Maybe you're trying to

1553
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 4: grow three year olds because everybody shoots one year olds.

1554
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, the habitat component is a big

1555
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 4: part of getting those deer to age. It's a safety component,

1556
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,959
Speaker 4: it's a desirability of the deer to be on your ground.

1557
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:51,879
Speaker 4: So there's all these reasons where those two issues, nutrition

1558
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 4: and safety and seclusion and wanting to be on your

1559
01:22:55,800 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 4: farm go together. And so bigger deer, older deer with

1560
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 4: proper nutrition and proper habitat. Its sounds easy, it sounds easy,

1561
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 4: it's not.

1562
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 3: We gave We gave folks a punch lists to start,

1563
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 3: and that's where that's where you just have to get started.

1564
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 3: And I say it next year, next year, next year,

1565
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 3: and never get anything done. So this is the thing,

1566
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 3: just the kickoff. This is the kickoff right here for

1567
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 3: someone right now, they're gonna say I'm gonna do this,

1568
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go do this, I'm gonna go and figure

1569
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 3: it out. And that's where you.

1570
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 4: Can start today. Start today, even if you have no

1571
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 4: money in your pocket and you got to pick up

1572
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 4: some popcins uh and redeem those to get a little

1573
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 4: bit of a little bit of money to get going

1574
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,719
Speaker 4: on something. I mean, very very basic to do something

1575
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 4: today for anybody, and just keep going down the rabbit hole,

1576
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 4: because if you enjoy it, you're gonna want to keep

1577
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 4: going down the rabbit hole and you'll just get bigger

1578
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 4: and learn more things and and this learning will never end,

1579
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 4: and you're never You'll start buying all this stuff and

1580
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 4: it'll obsess you and it never ends.

1581
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 3: It's fun though, It's yeah, it's the wormhole that doesn't end. Well.

1582
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 3: This is this is fun because we just finished up

1583
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: a live Q and A last week on the Master

1584
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 3: Academy and we answered you answered direct questions of very

1585
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 3: very specific things, which was was pretty fun. So I

1586
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 3: feel like that's the next level of this conversation with

1587
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 3: really specific examples and questions. And I want to give

1588
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 3: you an opportunity to plug Iowa White Tail. I find

1589
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 3: myself on there sometimes by accident when I Google something

1590
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I'm on Iowa y Tail trying

1591
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 3: to figure out whatever problem I have going on. And

1592
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: there's a lot of really good threads on there too.

1593
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 4: It's great. It was part of my progression, you know,

1594
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 4: being the guy that knew quite a bit at that point,

1595
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 4: quite a bit, but then discovering Iowa Tale and being like,

1596
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like I said, there was all these

1597
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 4: mistakes I made. So my good good friend ended up

1598
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 4: being my neighbor in Iowa. This guy named double Tree

1599
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 4: who contributed to like all these different forms back in

1600
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 4: the day, and he passed away maybe like decade decade

1601
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 4: and a half ago, but you know, twenty fifteen ish

1602
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 4: years ago. I did some projects with him. We learned

1603
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff together. I learned so much from him,

1604
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 4: and he contributed to Iawhitetail. So when I could buy

1605
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 4: iowait Tale, it was kind of like, hey, I got

1606
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 4: to preserve this information and keep his legacy going. So

1607
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 4: all that's still there, like the Doubletry section, habitat, anything

1608
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 4: related to habitat. There's so much there. And it's like

1609
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 4: if I post a video or talk about a certain topic,

1610
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 4: like people want to ask me like all these questions

1611
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 4: and I do try and get to them, but it's

1612
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 4: like it's all there. It is all there. Please save

1613
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 4: me a little time, especially during farm season, and just

1614
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 4: go there and it's all like so I just to

1615
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 4: be like transparent, iowait taal is like, you know, no

1616
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 4: profit I don't do. There's no money that comes from

1617
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 4: it. It costs me money, right which to most people doesn't

1618
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: make any sense. But it's just a way to get

1619
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 4: back in a way. You know. Maybe there's some things

1620
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 4: I'll do that make some money at some point, and

1621
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 4: maybe I have to spend a little pivot a little bit.

1622
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 4: But right now, you know, I'm just farming and uh,

1623
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 4: you know, I work on land and that's that's my living.

1624
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 4: But iowait tail, you know, and this won't change. Ioway

1625
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 4: tail will always be there for a resource for people

1626
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 4: to help for the causes on you know, regulations on habitat,

1627
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 4: how to how to you know, keep the the Midwest

1628
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 4: a better place environmentally or for deer hunters, or be

1629
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 4: just like that that hardcore information source that sifts through

1630
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 4: the garbage. Like when you see information on there, it's

1631
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 4: not going to be the missing Like like, there's things

1632
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 4: I'll say that is wrong, that is the wrong way

1633
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 4: to do it. I completely disagree, and I'm not saying

1634
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 4: I'm not wrong on some things that I'm far from it,

1635
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 4: but the information on there, especially double trees information, and

1636
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 4: the members there at at a level, a top tiered level,

1637
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 4: and I would be extreme, dreamely confident to take any

1638
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 4: information there and implement any information there.

1639
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 3: Twelve So that's great. Well, what a way to cap

1640
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 3: off habitat month and people are equipped to go get

1641
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 3: to work. Yeah, thank you, yeah, thanks once again, thanks

1642
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 3: for having me