1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy Vue Wilson 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about the Swing Riots 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: this week. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: Oh, we sure did. A very long time ago. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: We used to have a website, and our website had 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: the ability to tag related episodes into categories. Yeah, not 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: something that our website can currently do. And I made 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: a tag that was just called smashing things, and it 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: included things like the luod Heites. It included what was 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: her name, the prohibition prohibitionists that smashed up bars, Carrie Nation, 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Carrie Nation. I don't know why I couldn't bring her 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: name into my mind, but Carrie Nation was on the tag. 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: I just particularly enjoy the stories that involved smashing things. 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: A kind of weird thing about the research for this 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: is that I kept finding papers that were about it, 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: but they were not by historians. They were by economists, 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: and the work of an economist has a very different 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: focus than the work of historians. Yeah, and I often 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: will just go and sort of bookmark everything that I'm 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: planning to come back to, or I'll save all of 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: the papers that I want to go back to, and 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: I kept opening them and being like another economist, why 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: didn't I notice this? 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: Why didn't I notice this? 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: When I was. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: Working on it. 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: A book about the Swing Riots was written in nineteen 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: sixty nine and it was called Captain Swing, A Social 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: History of the Great Agricultural Uprising of eighteen thirty It 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: for a long time was seen as like the standard 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: work on the Swing Riots, and I did not read it, 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: because over the last decade or two, there's been a 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: lot of work kind of not as full length book treatments, 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: but individual papers and other research that has kind of 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: looked back at that work that was the standard work 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: for so long and started to just raise some questions 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: about it. 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: This is normal. 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: This is not like a criticism of this earlier work. 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Like it's very normal for the field of history to 42 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: revisit things in light of new information. Oh yeah, new 43 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: ability to search things, new ability to access archives, that 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so there's just been a lot 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: of like, well, there were actually a lot more of 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: these demonstrations than was described in this book. The fact 47 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: that it did not just stop in eighteen thirty one, 48 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Like this book sort of characterized the uprising as being 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: put down in eighteen thirty one and that was the 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: end of it. 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: But a number of. 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: People have said, okay, there's just there's actually a lot 53 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: more that continued after this, And so that was a 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: reason why I did not go try to get a 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: copy of that book, which was seen as the authoritative 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: text for so long. I also wanted to talk about 57 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the remains of Thomas Pain. 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: Me too, because I did. 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Not find out about him bringing the remains of Thomas 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: Paine back to England until I was very late in 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: the whole process. It just sort of came up as 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: I was fact checking something. I think the episode was 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: already written. I already felt like it was a touch 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: on the longer side, and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, 65 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: wait wait. He brought Thomas Paine's remains back with him, 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: and it initially blew my mind because I was like, 67 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: but he hated Thomas Pain. It had not fully occurred 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: to me that maybe as his views evolved on things 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: like democratic reforms and freedom, that he might have reassessed 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: his opinions of Thomas Pain. So here is how I 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: understand this happened. Thomas Paine died. His request had been 72 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: to be buried in a Quaker burial ground. Then the 73 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: Quakers said no, and so he was instead buried under 74 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: a tree on his farm. And William Cobbitt learned about 75 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: this and was like, this is no fitting resting place 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: for someone of such great stature, and so his plan 77 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: was to exhume the remains, take them back to England, 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: and then both rebury them in England, give him sort 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: of a hero's burial, and then also make a monument 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: that he thought maybe would inspire the spirit of democracy 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: in England. Some years had passed between Thomas Paine's death 82 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: and when this happened, so I think by that point 83 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: it was like his remains were mostly skeletal. I think, 84 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: at least I hope so. And at this point the 85 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: story gets really ghoulish. I mean, the whole idea is 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: kind of grulish to me. It's true that Thomas pain 87 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: had not been buried according to his wishes because the 88 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: Quaker burial ground said no, but he had been buried 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: on his farm. 90 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: So digging him up. 91 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Just because for reasons unrelated to what his wishes were 92 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: that already is like a little ghoulish. But then the 93 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: like there are rumors that some of his bones were 94 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: made into buttons. Yeah, the number of buttons rumored to 95 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: have been made from Thomas pain bones is apparently more 96 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: than is possible based on physiology. Like, there are also 97 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: various bones that have alleged to be in different places 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: around Europe. The whole thing is just kind of very creepy. 99 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: I love it, but I didn't want to just leave 100 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: that out once I realized that had happened, because going 101 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: from just being a vehement critic of Thomas Paine and 102 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: writing insulting things about him to being like, I have 103 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: got to rebury him and in a place that's more fitting. 104 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: Spoke to me in an additional layer of how Cobbit's 105 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: views evolved over his life. Yeah, I mean it almost 106 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: seems like someone who is trying so hard to make 107 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: amends for their prior statements. No, sure, Yeah, it's a 108 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: very selfish thing that they even do the most cockam 109 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: me and perhaps not really wise. 110 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: For lack of a better term. 111 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Yes, things to prove how sorry they are, how willing 112 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: they are to make amends. 113 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a little Yeah. 114 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if we will have a full episode 115 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: on him at some point, because I did find him 116 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: really interesting, and as I was researching and fact checking, 117 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: I kept finding quotes from things that he had written 118 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: that I was like, yeah, right on, that's amazing. But 119 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: then there were also things that were more like, wow, 120 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: that is really offensive, Like he definitely he eventually voted 121 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: to abolished slavery. Prior to doing that, he wrote he 122 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: was one of the people that wrote about slavery as 123 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: though it were the best thing for Africans because Africans 124 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: weren't capable of looking after themselves, Like he had that 125 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of attitude. To my knowledge, the antisemitic thread of 126 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: his opinions, I don't know that that ever really changed, 127 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: and that had to do with the antisemitic tropes of 128 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: involving like greed and money lending and secretly controlling financial 129 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: decisions like all of which is again a damaging antisemitic trope, 130 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: and like if he eventually evolved away from that, I 131 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: did not find reference to it. So the parts of 132 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: me that find him really interesting are sort of at 133 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: war with the parts that are like, man, you had 134 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: some bad opinions. 135 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: You were a problem. Yeah, yeah, And. 136 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: I think there will probably be folks who are like, yes, 137 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: but he was of his time, so were a lot 138 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: of other people who did not have those opinions. Yeah, 139 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's that whenever that phrase comes up, and 140 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: I mean it does, and there are some you know, 141 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: I understand it, there is some validity to it, except 142 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: it misses all of the nuance, right, Like, yeah, yes, 143 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: people in that time may have thought that way at 144 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: a greater proportion than we would hope today. Yeah, but 145 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: almost every time there is a really bad opinion or 146 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: like that, if you look at it in context of 147 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: the time, there were already people going that's not cool. Yeah, 148 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: that's not cool, don't do that. That's not how we're 149 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: going to do this. So it's always a little yeah tricky. 150 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 151 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: Do you know what this whole story makes me think 152 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: of what one of my favorite history topics, what is it? 153 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: Queen Victoria? Oh yeah, because this all happened right before 154 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: her rain started, it did, so it puts in context 155 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more a lot of the work, particularly 156 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: that her husband Albert did, in terms of like trying 157 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: to better the lives of the working poor. You know, 158 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where like, yes, he probably 159 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: had altruistic tendencies and wanted to actually create better lives 160 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: for people. But there is also the secondary part that 161 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: you have to recognize, which is like, he's also trying 162 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: to make his his wife's reign as stable and smooth 163 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: and safe as possible. We're going there's a lot of 164 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: really angry poor people right now. There's something we could 165 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: do to fix that. Yeah, I would like to not 166 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: have things set on fire, thank you. Yeah, no, less smatching, how. 167 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: Can we perform? Just interesting to think about. 168 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about linoleum this week, yep, which I 169 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: have a weird I have a love. 170 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Hate with linoleum, you know. Yeah. 171 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: I grew up in the seventies and eighties. There was 172 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: some real ugly linoleum in our house may and that 173 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: was ugly. However, I will say this, and I was 174 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: gonna talk about this at the end of the episode, 175 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, we're gonna get pretty far afield 176 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: if we start doing this, which is that the linoleum 177 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: that you buy today that's called linoleum is not the 178 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: linoleum the Walton made today. It's polyvinyl chloride, yeah, or PVC. 179 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: But it's pretty lovely. 180 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 181 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: When my parents put down new floors in their house, 182 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: which I think I would have been in middle or 183 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: high high school. People were calling it linoleum, but they 184 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: were calling the actual product just vinyl. Yeah, so I 185 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: don't know if the format of the vinyl has evolved 186 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: in the decade since then, but yeah, not actual linoleum, 187 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: I think too. It's one of those things where kind 188 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: of the way carpet and rug get usedful interchangeably sometimes. Sure, 189 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: linoleum is not a trademark thing. It doesn't have the 190 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: same meaning as other words might. It gets used kind 191 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: of loosey ucy so yeah, which could cause issues because 192 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: the method for cleaning a linoleum floor and cleaning a 193 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: vinyl floor not the same. Yeah, you will destroy vinyl 194 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: floor if you do the linoleum cleaning. There was a 195 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: quote I found in one of the write ups. It's 196 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: from that write up that was translated from German to English. 197 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: That's so a bulliant about the linoleum factory. But I 198 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: really love this quote. It has nothing to do I mean, 199 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: it did in context have to do with the process, 200 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: but it just said nature works grottess, but she takes 201 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: her own time. And I was like, that's the best. 202 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: And it was just about how long it takes for 203 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: these things to cure. But I was like, that's the 204 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: truest and best sentiment. I'm obsessed with it. Something that 205 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: jumped out to me about that right up was I 206 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: think it mentioned museum says the place where one might 207 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: encounter a linoleum floor, and I don't find that to 208 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: be true, because I find museum floors to be the 209 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: notoriously hardest surface ever put into use. Every time I 210 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: go to a museum, I wind up with museum because 211 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: standing looking at art on the hardest floor imaginable, no 212 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: matter what shoes I have on. Always by the end 213 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: of the day, I'm like, I need a foot massage. 214 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, they got it. 215 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: They I mean they need to hold up to being 216 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: walked and stood on by people continually forever. Well in 217 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times, a lot of museums are historic 218 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: buildings that have been sure restored or are being carefully 219 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: retained with their original stuff, which was often sometimes marble floors. Sometimes, yeah, 220 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: other surfaces that are not not made for coziness. There 221 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: is a cool example and this again I almost mentioned 222 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: it in the episode, and I was like, were of 223 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: how like one company's innovation can propel an entire industry forward, 224 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: because you know, we talked about how when it came 225 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: to mosaic inlaid lit, only nobody else could do it. 226 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: So he just started selling the machines and that became 227 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: its own business. But in terms of linoleum being installed, 228 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: like it went from being used almost like a rug 229 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: to then being kind of tacked down with like staples 230 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: or small nails. And then finally Armstrong Flooring was the 231 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: one that was like, you know, what we should do 232 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: is make this like a permanent thing and you can 233 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: actually glue it down and then it will be like 234 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: a more sturdy thing. And that really drove up usage 235 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of linoleum in like new home building and stuff. And 236 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: then of course, you know it's like the rising tide 237 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: lifts all boats. All of the companies that were operating 238 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: got a lift out of that because everybody started to 239 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: use it more, builders embraced it more and more. I 240 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: just find that interesting. Here's the other thing I didn't 241 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: touch on. If anybody's listening who knows me, who knows 242 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: the show, and they're like, why didn't you mention this? 243 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: And that's linoleum art. 244 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like you know, lino prints are really cool. 245 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: That was invented in nineteen eleven by I believe, a 246 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: Polish artist who's on my short list, and that's why 247 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I we talk about it, okay, so that you know, 248 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: maybe another in the linking chain I've been doing lately 249 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: of things that are vaguely related to me. Maybe where 250 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: we land anyway, Linoleum I have no. I have no 251 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: linoleum or vinyl in my house. We don't either, Yeah, 252 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: I don't, although now part of me is like, would 253 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: it be interesting to get like a linoleum scrap and 254 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: use it like edge it and use it as a rug, 255 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: like somewhere for utility purposes, or like where I know 256 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna drop stuff like paint now I'm thinking about it. 257 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have really good vinyl or 258 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: linoleum flooring at home that you love, because some of 259 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: them made today are beautiful, Like, yeah, the ones we 260 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: grew up with have a bad rap. Because there was 261 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: a lot of very intense design choice going on in 262 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: the seventies and. 263 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: Eighties, which some people love and I don't want to 264 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: denigrate their taste. It's not my jam. 265 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: That color palette, the orange gold avocado color palette is 266 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: not for me. But if you love it, rock on. 267 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I hope your whole house is that and that it 268 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: makes you joyous every day. But if you have a 269 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: really good floor, so those pictures because I listen, I 270 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: just like to look at people's home to core choices. 271 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: I won't judge. I'll just celebrate. 272 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: It might not be my jam, but I'm always glad 273 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: when people are doing things that they love. 274 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: If you have. 275 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Linoleum, and I'm using the loose version of that term 276 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: with chickens on it, send us that just fascinated. I'm 277 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: sure it's out there right, everything is. I mean, I'm 278 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: the dufist that made the decision when we bought our 279 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: house to oil paint the tile in our kitchen and 280 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: seal it. And that lasted for a good long while. 281 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: And then one of our cats used to have that 282 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: weird habit that cats sometimes have of scratching around the 283 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: water dish before he would use it. I never understood 284 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: what that was, and that started eventually the thing, and 285 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: now we just have the trashiest looking floor on the planet. 286 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: It needs to get replaced at some point, but yeah, 287 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: not today. Our kitchen floors are wood, which was also 288 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: the case in the apartment that we lived in before 289 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: we bought this house. And I have just found it 290 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: to be a weird flooring choice for the kitchen. I 291 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: find it harder to keep clean than tile or vinyl, yeah, 292 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: would be in the kitchen specifically. Yeah, I'm presuming it's sealed. Yeah, 293 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: but still still I'm just thinking, like it's the kind 294 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: of thing that has to be resealed because that's a 295 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: high traffic area. 296 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love listen, I love home deck. 297 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: Our other kitcheny area in the canteena was easy because 298 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: when we built that room, it took great effort to 299 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: convince the contractor and the workers to not clean up 300 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: any of their mess. We were like, leave all the drips, 301 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna polly those right in. It's a dive bar 302 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: on tattooine, which they did. So we just pollyed that 303 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: and like that's easy to manage because it's supposed to 304 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: look a little funky monkey and if anything drips, it 305 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: just blends right in. Yeah. I do mop it periodically, 306 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: but it's not a place that we have to worry about. 307 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: And it's very easy care at that point because you 308 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: can just throw down more, Polly. If you really need 309 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: to pick me up anyway, send us your pictures of 310 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: your home deck stuff. If this is your weekend coming up, 311 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: I hope that you get to relax in a home 312 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: that is decorated exactly the way you want, and that 313 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: it brings you joy and feels like a cozy, safe nest. 314 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: If it's not your weekend, I still hope when you 315 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: go home from whatever your obligations are, that similarly your 316 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: home feels like a cozy safenst and like exactly the 317 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: place you want to be. I hope that everybody is 318 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: kind to one another, and that whatever obligations you have, 319 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: and if you have to work, that everyone is kind 320 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: to you at work, and that no weird surprises come 321 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: up at work, because that's the worst. 322 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: We will be back. 323 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: On Monday with a brand new episode. We will also 324 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: be back here tomorrow with a classic Stuff you missed 325 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more 326 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 327 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.