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Speaker 1: What do you identify as freedom, beauty, truth or love.

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Speaker 1: I think obviously I give beauty. But at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, come freedom, beauty, truth, and come loos.

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Speaker 1: Love is a many splendid thing. Love lifts us up

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Speaker 1: where we belong. All you need is love. But don't

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Speaker 1: stop that together. It's honestly, I want to give Silky

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Speaker 1: Nut mcganash half man, half woman drag and do both

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Speaker 1: parts like I know I could. UM. That song I

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Speaker 1: think perfectly encapsulates what is the Elephant Love Medley? The

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Speaker 1: Elephant Love Medley, which is not a song but a

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Speaker 1: mash up of songs UM performance by Nicole Kim and

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Speaker 1: Ewan McGregor to perfection. Um. I think that song perfectly

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Speaker 1: encapsulates today's discussion topic, Basil Lerman, the Basilerman cinematic universe, UM,

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Speaker 1: and everything that comes with the beer. Sorry if you will, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the territory of one of the most maximalist utters of

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Speaker 1: our generation. Um, who is not gay for some reason.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get into that. Yeah, we're going to be

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Speaker 1: discussing bases and you know he would say, which we

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Speaker 1: have not seen all of but um, like some of

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Speaker 1: Basilerman's movies have been very important to me, but I

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Speaker 1: actually am not as aware of a lot of his

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Speaker 1: other works. So today I'm a bit more of the

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Speaker 1: virgin in this scenario, and we will be exploring basist

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Speaker 1: films from kind of his oldest to his most recent,

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Speaker 1: because this is like a virgin the show where we

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Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes, I'm ros damn you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm fran Toronto Brock a kiss on the hand,

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Speaker 1: maybe Continental, you know Rose, it doesn't matter if you

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Speaker 1: love them or Capital th That's pretty good, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, Like, as someone who is just coming off

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Speaker 1: the high of being at the New York Chromatic Ball,

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Speaker 1: I forgot that Gaga are still okay. Let's but let's

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Speaker 1: let's okay. I have a bone to pick before you

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Speaker 1: even get into it. It was not the New York

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Speaker 1: CHROMATICA Ball. It was the New Jersey CHROMATICA Ball. Okay, Baby, Baby, Baby,

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Speaker 1: I don't care how many times it's a New York

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Speaker 1: city on her tour dates. It was in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: It was in Jersey, and she reminded us many times

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Speaker 1: that it was Jersey. That was honestly, like, one of

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Speaker 1: my biggest critiques was that she said Jersey just way

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Speaker 1: too many times. Well it's better than if she said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: New York City and you're like, we're in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: But it was mostly New Yorkers and obviously she picked

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Speaker 1: that venue. That's not where you were geographically. Okay, actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm just to get right into the recap. I have

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Speaker 1: to say, like she she clearly like googled Jersey, like

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Speaker 1: right before the show, because you know, the best parts

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Speaker 1: of like a Gaga show is like her ad libbing,

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Speaker 1: and one of her ad libs was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just I would not say that that's the best

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Speaker 1: part of a Gaga show. No, it was definitely my

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Speaker 1: favorite and most memorable. The most memorable parts of the

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Speaker 1: show for me was her ad libbing and she was like,

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Speaker 1: she was like, you know, I love to come to

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Speaker 1: like have you had you seen her before? No, this

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Speaker 1: was my first time seeing Gaga. I uh, I felt

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Speaker 1: spiritually ready for it. I do wish. One of my

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Speaker 1: biggest regrets is that I didn't see the Fame Monster tour.

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Speaker 1: time now, UM to see Gaga, Like I'm ready for this,

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Speaker 1: and I loved um Chromatica. I love that album and

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Speaker 1: your favorite performance? Okay, well she started out chromatical Ball

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Speaker 1: spoilers for those listening. She started out with three throwbacks,

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Speaker 1: so she she did Bad Romance, poker Face, and justin List,

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Speaker 1: none of which she should be doing live. I did, like,

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Speaker 1: We're definitely just the visuals in general. The show started

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Speaker 1: you know I was talking about this is someone this weekend,

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Speaker 1: I have so much to say to her, and she

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Speaker 1: We will not hold her hand um I. As as

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Speaker 1: I to my friend Hunter Abrahams is like the biggest

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Speaker 1: little Monster I know, and is in a Little Monster

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Speaker 1: Like what am I going to deal with? But like

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Speaker 1: Pitchfork does a thing and like I know, Pitchfork, like

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Speaker 1: And this Sunday they released an art pop um review

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Speaker 1: of the Behold or whatever the funk, It's not. That's

428
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of wrong. That's wrong, um, And I feel like

429
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: we'll have a lot of takes like that with today's

430
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: discussion on Basi Lerman, which I think so as well.

431
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, for the long term versions

432
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: the people that have been with us since day one,

433
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: bass has come up and a lot of our conversations

434
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: just like here and there, we talk about Mulan Rouge,

435
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: we talk about Romeo plus Juliette we talk about Romeo

436
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: and Juliet, I will continue to say the plus is

437
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: simply how it is stylized. It's how it is stylized.

438
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is not. This is not math.

439
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: The math is not math. Here's the thing is that

440
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: if I'm in a casual conversation and I say Romeo

441
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: plus Juliet, they know immediately that I'm referring to the

442
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: Basil Lerman version and not the ninety eight like versions.

443
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: We'll see. That's why I say Basil Lerman's Romeo and Juliet. Right, well,

444
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: that works too, And yet here I am saying Romeo

445
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: plus Juli. Yet I refused to not say um but Rose.

446
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I would love to know, like what

447
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: your relationship is, too, bas because I feel like I've

448
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: already talked about mine on the pod, but like, you know,

449
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: what was your first baz or do you remember how

450
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: you felt about the work. I think you know. I

451
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: don't have as much of a relationship with his work

452
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: on a large scale. I have a relationship with specifically

453
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: two things he has made. I love Romeo and Juliet.

454
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 1: It was a movie that I watched a lot as

455
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: a kid was really formative for me. It's the It's

456
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I, when I was in

457
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: like fourth grade, went into my dad's like study and

458
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: grabbed the complete work of William Shakespeare and read the

459
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: entire thing. It's like one of the things that jump

460
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: started my love of Shakespeare. And Mulan Rouge was the

461
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: thing I was the most obsessed with for you know,

462
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: like a solid year when I was a teenager. It's

463
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: the reason why I was in love with you and McGregor.

464
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: It helped me discover a lot of music through like

465
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: all of the covers and in it. You know, like

466
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: was very symbiotic with my love of musical theater obviously,

467
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was and is important to me. That

468
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: being said, I never felt that huge of a desire

469
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: to explore any of his other work because I think

470
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: even then I realized the things I was drawn to

471
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: in those movies were more of the story than the style.

472
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: And I know from seeing some of his other projects

473
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: that so much of what Basilorman does is about style substance.

474
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times very substantive, but sometimes

475
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: the substances sacrificed. So what was your intro to bows

476
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: Um similarly also had an obsession with Bass, spurred by

477
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Mulan Bruge, which I think was the conversation for a

478
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: lot of you know, culture critics that year. It you know,

479
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: won a lot of Oscars and all that jazz. But

480
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: I just remember, and this is repeated, I'm sorry for

481
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: the virgins, But like, I watched that movie and it

482
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: was a huge unlocking um for me, my um. You know,

483
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: the by neighbor of my friend at the cul de Sac,

484
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: Mel showed it to us and corrupted me. And I

485
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: was like, shout out to Mel, and I was like,

486
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: this movie has escorts and faggots and like boysterousness and

487
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: like murder, espionage, like promiscuity, like all of these things,

488
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: so many scenes that are driven by sex as an engine.

489
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: And I thought that was so interesting. And but what

490
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: I latched onto was just what you were talking about,

491
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: which is that the stylistic world building that Bass does

492
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: in almost all of his films that I is just

493
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: very very very mighty. Any of my friends will tell

494
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: you that I am a style over substance girl, like

495
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: ascetic style. How it looks is like I'm very I'm

496
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: It's my big weakness and I will overlook a lot

497
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: of like quality control issues if it just looks really good. Um,

498
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: It's like something that Justin and I always get to

499
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: arguments about, actually, and I'm not proud of that, but

500
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: it's just who I am, um, and I need both.

501
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I really like style. I like a lot of bas

502
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: Arman style, and I think the projects of his that

503
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: I like are the ones where there's as much substance

504
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: as there is style, Like in Romeo and Juliet, it's

505
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: literally Shakespeare like there is you know, the oldest love

506
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: story ever told. You know, there is a lot there

507
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: too who meet to the style, and the style works

508
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: in reinterpreting it and making it accessible for a modern audience.

509
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: And then kind of the same thing in Mulin Rouge,

510
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: it's like a very classic It's it's Labo m It's

511
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: like a very classic love story and the story works

512
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: hand in hand with the style in a way that

513
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: is like overwhelming in a good way. Yeah. And I

514
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I think that when you are able to identify the

515
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: stylistic through lines that make bases work his work, I

516
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: think you kind of grow a new appreciation for what

517
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: is a very consistent body of work, a very small

518
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: body of work, to be honest, like, it's not a

519
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: ton of stuff, but um, I don't know. That's kind

520
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: of why I wanted to do an episode about it,

521
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: and why I forced you in in in the good

522
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: tradition of this show, forced you to watch Strictly Ballroom, which,

523
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: just before we get into it, is the beginning of

524
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: what Baths refers to as the Red Curtain Trilogy, which,

525
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: like I have thoughts on but like um, the Red

526
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Curtain Trilogy is Strictly Ballroom, Romeo plus Juliette and Mulan Rush.

527
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: What year did Strictly Ballroom come out? Strictly Ballroom is

528
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: comedy um that Bas adapted from a play he wrote

529
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: that I think was really successful in Australia. And that's something,

530
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: honestly that's very important. Is that like, at the end

531
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: of the day, Bas is a fucking theater nerd, like

532
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: a a completely hysterical and erratic and insane theater nerd. Um,

533
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: but I think that informs a lot of his work,

534
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: and Strictly Ballroom is the story of a ballroom dancing

535
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: competitor who has not yet got the championship accolades that

536
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: he's wanted, and his partner dumps out on him, and

537
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: he's looking for someone to help him win the championship,

538
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: and this woman named frayan like kind of falls into

539
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: his orbit and she it's kind of the classic story

540
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: of nerdy, ugly woman takes off her glasses and literally

541
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: there's a scene where he literally takes out takes off

542
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: her glasses. And then when I first I forgot that

543
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: that there were movies in which that that was done

544
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: in earnest because it's such a joke. Now it's a

545
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: joke for a reason, because there are several movies in

546
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: which it's done very earnestly. Yes, exactly, And she takes

547
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: off her glasses and we discovered that she is but

548
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: a gorgeous woman. And I love any movie that does that.

549
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: But it is exactly, it's it's a fantasy. It is cliche,

550
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: and honestly, Bass is kind of good at cliches sometimes,

551
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: and I that's something that I appreciated about this movie.

552
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: But I just love to know you like your naked reactions.

553
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: You literally just watched it yesterday. I did just watch

554
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: it yesterday. I hated it. I hated it. I hated

555
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: it so much, all of it, all the way through

556
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole No, I watched the whole thing. Wow,

557
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: it's only an hour and a half, you know, I

558
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: knew the whole time. I was like, okay, this will

559
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: this too shall pass um. It was the one thing

560
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: it did was give me such a clear understanding of

561
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: bass style, because you see the things that he does

562
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: on a macro scale now being done on a micro scale,

563
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: and you realize his artistic impulses have always been there.

564
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: The film is so frenetic and gaudy and maximalist. No

565
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: single shot is longer than like four seconds. There's so

566
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: many close ups. He really revels in kind of ugliness

567
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: as much as he revels in beauty. And I do

568
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: think that this world that he's looking at, this world

569
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: of competitive ballroom dancing, is a really good place to

570
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: find that. Unfortunately, I just didn't like it. I just

571
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: thought it was so grading, and I didn't like any

572
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: of the characters. You didn't like, you didn't like Fran.

573
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: I did not like fran. I thought she was pasthetic.

574
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: That's okay, So I'm sorry to like totally sideswipe you.

575
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: But this is my life story. This is a biopic.

576
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: I at least my life rights. Two baths in nine

577
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: two I was one year old and I said, bas,

578
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: here are my life rights. Please adapt my story into

579
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: a film, and this is the film that he made,

580
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: and so you are truly coming for me because I

581
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: am fran I can absolutely see how this is the

582
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: kind of movie that a director makes that makes the

583
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: industry pay attention to them and say, oh, what if

584
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: we gave this person a ton of money so they

585
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: could do this on a bigger scale. And truly, like,

586
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: having most recently seen Elvis, I see the direct through

587
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: line from this movie to Elvis and how in a

588
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: way they are the same movie, just with a lot

589
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: of different money and time between them and films totally

590
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: but strictly, strictly Ballroom. I had totally problems with it.

591
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I was like at the beginning, I was like, oh,

592
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: is this a mockumentary? But no, that was like just

593
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: the beginning, and it's like a stylistic thing that's never

594
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: brought back again. I know, like they're supposed to be caricatures,

595
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: but it just like I don't know that there were

596
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: moments where it like felt like it wanted to be

597
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: grounded in reality, and then it Wasn't, and I just

598
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was like listening to a

599
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: really annoying song for an hour ago and I just

600
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: wanted it to be over. I really really did not

601
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: like it. I listened a lot of things that you

602
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: didn't like about it are the things that I love

603
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: about Strictly Ballroom. And you know, I think at the

604
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: end of the day, it is definitely like a fine movie.

605
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: Like I Wasn't, I'm never itching to rewatch that movie.

606
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: But I do think that part of the reason I

607
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: really wanted you I wasn't. I never do this, but

608
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: I did text you and I said, just reminding you

609
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: to watch Strictly Ballroom, you know, And I did really

610
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: want you to watch it because I think it encapsulates

611
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: something that's really important about Basil Erman's work. When he

612
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have the budget, like when he doesn't have the

613
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar budget that he has on something like Gadsby,

614
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: you see the bones of what he's trying to say

615
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: as a as a director, and you don't get lost

616
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: in all the glitz and glam of it all, which

617
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: still makes his movies great. But even without the hundred

618
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: million dollars, he's still doing the same buffoonery he does

619
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: everywhere else, right, but I love much more, much more,

620
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: d I y. I think the buffoonery works sometimes and

621
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: other times it really does not. It did not work

622
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: for me in Strictly Ballroom, It did not work for

623
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: me and Elvis. It really worked for me in Romeo

624
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: and Juliette and Mulin Rouge. Also watching Strictly Ballroom, I

625
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: had just rewatched Dirty Dancing like a week before, which

626
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: is which is one of my favorite movies, and compared

627
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: to each other, like you can't. You can't compare them

628
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: to each other because like they're like they're like they're

629
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of the same movie in a lot of ways. Well,

630
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Strictly is very clearly a satire of of Dirty Dancing, right,

631
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: they use in the late eighties. It's like and they

632
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: use time after time. They do it on purpose, you know,

633
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a kind of like, oh, den,

634
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: your woman who doesn't know her own sexual power and

635
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden she does. Like that's the satire.

636
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: And that's kind of why I love I'm Strictly Ballroom

637
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: is because I actually think that the taking the glasses

638
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: off the nerd to discover that she's a gorgeous woman.

639
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that was in earnest like I think

640
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: that Bass understands that that is a trope and and

641
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: UM sorry, we on like a virgin, try to discuss

642
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: camp as infrequently as possible, but it cannot be you know,

643
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: extricated from bass work. Is that camp is like one

644
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: of the primary tools in Bazi's toolbox, and that is

645
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: something that I think he was flexing on instrict the

646
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: that worked for me and did not work for you. Um,

647
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: but I feel like um a very cartoonish blocking of scenes,

648
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: hyper stylized um emotional steaks with emotional with something that

649
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: is like completely fake and totally cartoonish in camp, but

650
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: also an emotional realism in the acting that kind of

651
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: grounds it. Um is something that is a lot of

652
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: his work. But that's the thing is that I in

653
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: strictly ballroom, I only saw the camp and did not

654
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: get the real emotion. Like like Romeo and Juliet is

655
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: so larger than life, and yet in those moments where

656
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: it's like heartbreaking or tender, you feel that Mulin Rouge

657
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: like is so over the top and so maximalist. And

658
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: yet I still cry when Satine dies or like you

659
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: have that moment where you know she leaves Christian and

660
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: like it's heartbreaking and with strictly ballroom. To me, it

661
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: was just a cartoon, and I agree. I did not

662
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: feel any emotional steaks. I did not think these were

663
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: real people at all. I think that there is a

664
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: little emotional realism between the two dance partners. I think

665
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: Fran really gives it to us. But I agree that

666
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: it has at the base level, just not it's on

667
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: the acting level. Actually, it's just not what Leo and

668
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: Nicole are doing. Because it acts, it's bad. Although Scott

669
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: is very hot, so he has aged really poorly. I looked. Well,

670
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: let's get into what I think you have once described

671
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: as one of your favorite movies at all time Romeo

672
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: plus Juliet Um, and I think that when I came

673
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: away from this movie. First of all, I cried watching

674
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: this movie, and I've watched it so many times I

675
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: still cried. Leo deserved an Oscar nom. I'm sorry, he

676
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: deserved an Oscar nom for this movie period. I probably

677
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: sound like an idiot for saying that, but I know

678
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Leo is incredible. That one scene where he's screaming when

679
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: a gun. I sigh, you stars, it's so good. I

680
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: also think I also think Claire Danes is incredible in it,

681
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: so fucking good, the ending, the ending, or like when

682
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: she when she goes to the priest with the gun.

683
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: I think everyone acts their ass off in this movie. Um.

684
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: Harold Parano who plays Marcuccio, so good, incredible performance. Also

685
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: incredible usage of that song, um young hah something. I

686
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: love the soundtrack. I mean the soundtrack of Romeo and

687
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Juliet is so good, like next level. Honestly, I think

688
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet, I mean Romeo plus Juliet um really

689
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: kind of shows us what bas does best. And I

690
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: think that is cinematic invention, like to place Romeo and

691
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Juliet in the modern day, but to keep Shakespearean dialogue,

692
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: which a lot of people are divided on whatever. And

693
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: that's like where a lot of the criticism was. I

694
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: think a cinematic invention. We have not seen someone do

695
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: that before, and I do it so well, so yeah,

696
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: you absolutely understand what they're saying. And I, unlike you,

697
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm not a Shakespearean dialogue girl like I, you know,

698
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: could barely get through shakespeare books without spark notes, as

699
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, high schooler, that's just like my reading comprehension

700
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: level and like and to see it in in context

701
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: in this movie makes me sure that not only is

702
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: this one of the most beautiful stories ever told, but

703
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: like the best thing Shakespeare has ever written. It might

704
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: not be my favorite Shakespeare play, but I think it's

705
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: the best play that Shakespeare has ever written. And what

706
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: I love about how bads to end with that. But okay, okay, okay,

707
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: but here's the thing is, like, you know, in our

708
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: West Side Story discussion, we touch briefly on the fact that, like,

709
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: it's not a believable story, right, Romeo and Juliet, like

710
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, falling in love after one day and then

711
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, you kill the brother, you kill the cousin,

712
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: and yet you still are in love with each other

713
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: and then kill yourselves. It's like there's nothing about that

714
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: that is has emotional realism in a modern day and

715
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: yet that as makes you believe it, and that is

716
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: really hard to do. And West Side Story did not

717
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: make me believe it. Let me tell you. He makes

718
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: the stakes very real, very believable. He also, i think,

719
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: does what a lot of productions of Roman and Juliette

720
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: failed to do, which has reminds you that these are

721
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: teenagers and so of course the emotions are heightened. Of

722
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: course everything is literally life and death because they're young

723
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: and horny, and it makes them sexy, romantic and sexy.

724
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: The scene where they see each other across the fish tank,

725
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful and the and the way thought was

726
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: the cool scene. It's just so girl for me. The

727
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: needle job is the um kiss, it's so I mean.

728
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: But that's the other thing is like um that that

729
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: that cinematic invention, like the fact that the meat cute

730
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: is through an aquarium. Um. The fact that the Queen

731
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: mad monologue is about you know, M D m A right,

732
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: the mercutio is a faggot. And like when they when

733
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: they fight with their guns, the gun says like dagger

734
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like that's I think that's like on the

735
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: writing level, brilliant and fun and like people probably think

736
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: it's like cheesy or cheap or you know, like all

737
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things, but like I I

738
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: just like have so much fun every single time I

739
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: watched that movie, And I think that's like what's so

740
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: good about his work and about the quote unquote Red

741
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Curtain Trilogy, even though I don't really think I think

742
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: it's really wedged down. I don't think Strictly ball rominally belongs.

743
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: It's a really good use of just spectacle storytelling. Um,

744
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Romeo and Juliet in context is a spectacle,

745
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: and so like placing it in this context makes a

746
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: lot of sense. And yeah, I think all of the

747
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: different tools that he uses to contemporize this story, like

748
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, the news report at the beginning, it just

749
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: I love the news report. It's so it all works

750
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: so well. And part of part of that is because

751
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: like I do think that Bas works best when he's

752
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: working with tropes and when he's applying his style to

753
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: familiar stories, right, And you know, when I watched this movie,

754
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: like in my like freshman English class, I I don't

755
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: remember having an attachment to an attur right, like to

756
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: see the aesthetic through lines of things that I love

757
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: about bases work because I actually, okay, I watched Strictly

758
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: Ballroom in my high school dance class. You know, it's

759
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: like one of those moments where like your your teacher

760
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: like doesn't feel like working that day, and then and

761
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: then They're like, let's just watch a movie. Um, so

762
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: it's weird that like my high school like just introduced

763
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: me to all of Basilerman's work for like no reason.

764
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Um well because my otur when I was a teenager

765
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: with Sofia Coppola. So like, is the real divide between

766
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: maybe our sensibilities? Truly, it's truly actually that, and I

767
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: think that actually perfectly encapsulates like where we come from

768
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: on the artistic level. Okay, let's talk. Yeah, well, I

769
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: just have to quickly say that, Um, the thing, the

770
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: one thing that that Baz does not pull off with

771
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: Robia blows Juliette is the fact that, um, the invention

772
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: of phones and also therapy are just kind of conveniently

773
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: ignored as they would have you know, resolved conflict of

774
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the play. Um, and yet here it is. But like, okay,

775
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, what is there even to say about Mulan Rouge.

776
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: And we have already talked about Mulan Rouge in our

777
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: episode on Nicole Kidman, which you should definitely go back

778
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: and revisit, So I think we won't get that too

779
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: in depth in it today. But for me, like Romeo

780
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: and I loved Romeo and Juliet, but I think Romo.

781
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: What Romeo and Juliet opened me up two more was

782
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: Shakespeare and it was like an entry point to that

783
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: to me. Mulan Rouge I loved for itself and the

784
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: thing that it was, and I remember seeing it and

785
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: being so gagged by it, and you know, like thinking,

786
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: oh God, the movie musical is back, because it kind

787
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: of the movie musical was kind of dead when when

788
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: Mulan Rouge came out, and it did sort of revive

789
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: it for a little bit, but nothing really ever kind

790
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: of came close to well. Ship was Chicago, was in Chicago,

791
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: was in the in the dust of Or it came

792
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: right after again bas is working with an existing story.

793
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Malan Rouge is based off of Labo M and he

794
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: tells this kind of archetypal tail in the biggest way possible,

795
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: and it just really works because all the elements are there,

796
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: like the story, the setting, you know, like the you know,

797
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: the Bohemian Revolution and like can Can dancers and Paris

798
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: and like it just all works. And then you have

799
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: you and McGregor being like the most perfect soft boy

800
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: like lead ever. I was so in love with him

801
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: after this movie. Oh my god, oh, Jim Broadbent is

802
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: so compelling. The villains are so compelling. Every performance is

803
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: so good and like the the just the fagotry injected

804
00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: in all of bass films is really palpable, Like the

805
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: frenetic nous really works there, Like um, you know at

806
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: the beginning when Christian goes to their apartment and like

807
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: there's the sound of music moment and then the person

808
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: who'd been writing the plays like goodbye, yeah, and I

809
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: can just hear those lines reading so perfectly, and like

810
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: that the story moves so quickly and you don't miss anything.

811
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: Like the swiftness with which you move through the setup

812
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: works really well and like gets you where you need

813
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: to go with the perfect amount of time, Like that

814
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: movie starts and like I think within the first ten minutes,

815
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: like Nicole is descending from the ceiling. Yes, yes, and

816
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 1: like everything about like all of baz is work line

817
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: rating is actually I'm thinking also about and um um,

818
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: Lady Calcula is so fierce and in that movie in

819
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: the other in Romeo and Julia and how she goes

820
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Romeo slut Romeo Should I live? It's like that as

821
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: had you as a director be like can you take

822
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: it to a hundred and twenty for me, like he

823
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: like that or the nurse in Romeo and Juliett. Let's

824
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: get into the rest of bass work, which is I

825
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: think much more mediocre. Um. I think that bas suffers

826
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: from structure issues, issues of like completely discarding like artistic

827
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: devices that you've employed, or completely discarding emotional reality because

828
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to be a cartoon. Like a lot of

829
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: times those are the best parts of something like Mulan

830
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: Rouge or Romeo and Juliett. And with others it's just

831
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: like you see right through it, you know what I mean.

832
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: I never saw Australia. No, we don't need to discuss.

833
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: I saw the I saw The Great Gods me when

834
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: it came out in theaters. I think I remember it

835
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: being fine. The only thing memorable to me about Great

836
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: Gods was the soundtrack, um, the Florence and then the

837
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Launa song, and so that's like very much. It's that

838
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: movie I think was way more style over substance. I

839
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: think that like, obviously stylistically that movie is pretty gorgeous,

840
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: but like, and I also love parties. I love party scenes.

841
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: I think that bass does it best in all of

842
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: his movies. But um, the only thing that I remember

843
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: from that movie is how good Carrie Mulligan is and

844
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: I and I think of the famous shirt scene, which

845
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: in the book is insane, like he's literally just pulling

846
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: out these shirts and and and showing ore. She's like,

847
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, this shirts so beautiful and she just

848
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: cries looking at shirts and it's like so confusing to read,

849
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: but like Carrie Mulligan makes it makes sense, and I

850
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: think that's really well blocked it, like it's something that

851
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, sure, part of it is

852
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: that I just don't really love The Great Godsby as

853
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: a book and so super care which is a bummer

854
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: because Florence Welch is apparently like making a Great Gotsby musical. Okay,

855
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: I will watch that, Yeah, I'll watch it too. So

856
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: you there's some there's a I didn't know that there

857
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: was this Basler ban TV show you were you were

858
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: mentioning before. Can you can you give me a little

859
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: like t l d R on what that was? Yes?

860
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: T L d R. The get Down is a Netflix

861
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: original series that came out in the kind of House

862
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: of Cars Oranges, the New Black era of Netflix. Basically,

863
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm the Getdown is about the emergence of disco and

864
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: hip hop that rose around the same time, and how

865
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 1: those communities, which are obviously, you know, based in black

866
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: culture and invention of black culture, surrounds a kind of

867
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: group of like artists and rappers coming up in like

868
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: nine seventies Harlem, and you know, on paper, it's like,

869
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: are you sure you want to tell this story? Vesseler

870
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: and like yikes, um And but I honestly so. I

871
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: watched it as it came out, UM way back when,

872
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: and I remember liking it a lot um and being

873
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: really shocked by that there wasn't more negative sentiment around

874
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: to get Down, like I I I really was. That

875
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: had a lot of critical acclaim and the second that

876
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: it was canceled after the release of its first two parts.

877
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: But the second part I know, but this I know Netflix, Um.

878
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: But the second part UM got even better reviews. It

879
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: was even more critically acclaimed, and they felt like Baths

880
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: kind of cleaned up what he wasn't really doing well

881
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: in the classic bas Lerman way, and something that must

882
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: be noted and part of why I think the show

883
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: UM was not under a lot of criticism and honestly,

884
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: you know very in the through line of our Beyonce

885
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: discussion last week is, um, you know, the production hired NAS,

886
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: grand Master Flash, Curtis Blow, d J cool Herk, like

887
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: all of these DJs that were in that era, like

888
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: as producers on the show, Like they were credited to

889
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: be a part of the story that Bows was trying

890
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: to tell. And to me, that is the number one

891
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: thing you can do as a creator is to make

892
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: these people your lateral collaborators on something and so. And

893
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: I also know that the rollout of the show invested

894
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: in the communities he was trying to represent. But I mean,

895
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't have much more to say

896
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: about it other than the fact that Jaden Smith in

897
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: the last episode of the last part kiss as a guy,

898
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: and that is the story. We were robbed up because

899
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch the Jaden Smith like romance flatline.

900
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: But you know, the show was shockingly good. I'm not

901
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: gonna lie, Okay, interesting, Um, something that wasn't shockingly good

902
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: was Elvis, which I talked about when I saw it

903
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: last month, and we all know I did not like it. Um,

904
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: you have since seeing it and now that we're talking

905
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: about Baz. I think we can talk about the reasons

906
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: why I don't think it works in the context of

907
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: all his other work, and why you agree disagree. You know,

908
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: I think we have um some I disagreed with at

909
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: least one point that you brought up on the pod

910
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: that I kind of want to But the rest I

911
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: think I agreed with. Well, let's talk it about it. Yeah,

912
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: but I I wanted to, like, no, no, no, not

913
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: even call you in. I think that it's um because

914
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: your take, I think is the most common take I heard.

915
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people say a version of

916
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: the like the movie is not interested in Elvis's life,

917
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: and like this is not a biopic, right, Like it's not,

918
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, a telling of a very fascinating figure in

919
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: pop culture. And I I agree that, like the focal

920
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: point should have been on Elvis and the fact that

921
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: the whole movie focuses on his manager, someone who is

922
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: essentially like the Scooter Braun of the nineteen fifties. Like

923
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: it's like, we don't, like I don't want to watch

924
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: a movie about Scootlebron, you know what I mean? Like

925
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: maybe that's a bass next project, but it's like that's

926
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: not fascinating. But to me, I think that I guess

927
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: I should say I didn't disagree with the take, but

928
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: I think the spin on it is that if bas

929
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: is going to do a movie about Elvis's life, I'm

930
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: not looking for reality. Like I'm never going to sign

931
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: up for a bas Learnman movie and say, oh, I

932
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: expect this to be keeping up with the thing it's

933
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: trying to portray. I did not do not expect it

934
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: to be historically accurate. I do not expect it to

935
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: be invested in truth, even though freedom, beauty, truth and

936
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: love are as Lehman's belief systems. But like I just

937
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: it's it's I knew that it wasn't gonna be true,

938
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote, and I still felt like there was a

939
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: movie in the Elvis movie that was really good. It

940
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: just like should have been structured better. The structure, Yeah,

941
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: I I didn't need I didn't need truth either, but

942
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: I did need beauty, freedom, and love and I didn't

943
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: get I didn't get any of those. I think I

944
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: think Baz told a story about Elvis that he wanted

945
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: to rather than trying to find the most interesting story.

946
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: And like I mean, when it comes to biopics. I

947
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: have to say I don't love biopics, but I would

948
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: much rather watch a biopic that's like a slice of life,

949
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: like something like My Week with Maryland or Judy, even

950
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: though Judy is a really bad movie, but Renee's Elwigar

951
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: gives an incredible performance in it. Um I think it's

952
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to tell the entirety of someone's life story,

953
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: especially someone who's had such a huge impact on pop

954
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: culture the way that Elvis did. But I think Basil

955
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: Erman just got so much in his own way with

956
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: that movie, and just it's it's crazy to see him

957
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: doing the same things he did all the way back

958
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: in Strictly Ballroom, but with so much money and power

959
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: at his disposal, and it's all the same artistic impulses

960
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: just dialed up to a thousand, and they're still getting

961
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: in the way of telling an interesting story. That is

962
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: a failure of the maximalism for sure. And like, I

963
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: think that because bas has so many ideas or all

964
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: of his you know, co collaborators forget to tell him, Hey, honey,

965
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about editing this movie? Because Great

966
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: Gatsby is three hours long, Australia's three hours long. Elvis

967
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: is three hours long, and all of these movies do

968
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: not need to be three hours long. And also except

969
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: Titanic needs to be throwing. And also just like structural nightmares,

970
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: like have no idea why we're going back and forth

971
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: over and over again, um time wise and and and failing.

972
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: And also just like the way that bas employees voice

973
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: over is like so cheap and so bizarre. And I

974
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: just like if I heard Tom Hanks's accent, if I'm

975
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: on set day one with Tom Hanks and this is

976
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: the accent he is doing, I'm rewriting the movie. I'm

977
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: recounting the movie. He was so cast. He was horrible.

978
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm literally there, there's no and I'm not

979
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: someone who says very flatly like I like to add

980
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: nuance of things. He was patently bad, and I'm upset

981
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: about I feel like it was an insult, honestly to

982
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: the story as a whole for him to do what

983
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: he did with this role. And I thought that Baz wrote,

984
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't know why Bas was so fascinated by him

985
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: as a character. It's that's another movie, babe, you know

986
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: what do you mean? But like for me, even though

987
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: maybe because bas sees himself in him's and that's very telling.

988
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: That's the day girl, Oh my god. And I honestly though,

989
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: Um Austin what's his face? Was transcendent when he's great,

990
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: it's a great performance, and like I think he'll probably

991
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: be nominated for an Oscar well, But the thing is

992
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: his acting. His I think his actual acting was not

993
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: very good, but I felt like his performances as Elvis

994
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: were some of some of my favorite things I've watched

995
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: on screen in a year or more. Like, I think

996
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: his acting is good in that he does a really

997
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: good job of being Elvis, just like your voice and

998
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: the mannerism of the loan I think are enough to

999
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: get him an Oscar nomination. The wigs unforgivable in this movie.

1000
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: Elvis has cuckoo banana's hair, but it doesn't look it

1001
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: doesn't need to look like a wig, and it looks

1002
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: like a wig. And I just like I felt that

1003
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: that was like very distracting throughout. But like there's like

1004
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: a failure in like how biopics are marketed in general, right,

1005
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: like pretty much anything that UM tries to interpret a

1006
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: real person is called a biopic, but not all just

1007
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: as you said, like My Week with Maryland, it's not

1008
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: really a biopic, it's just a slice of life story.

1009
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: And I agree, like those are my favorite kind of

1010
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: adaptations of real people in real celebrities. So I think

1011
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: the marketing at Elvis is part of why it's suffered, right,

1012
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: Like people came in from a movie about Elvis and

1013
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: because it's called Elvis, and that's just not what they

1014
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: got um and becau as it had been labeled biopic,

1015
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: Like it just like doubles the anger that you feel

1016
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: when you walk out of that um film. But like

1017
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks obviously could have been in like eight percent

1018
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: less of it. And on top of that, like obviously

1019
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a conversation about Elvis without

1020
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: talking about like his relationship to black people in and

1021
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: um that as is someone who is not necessarily um failed.

1022
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the get down, like

1023
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, there are some really offensive things um and

1024
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: how people are portrayed. Sure, um, but at the end

1025
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: of the day, he like you know, he tried, they

1026
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: tried whatever. But like I thought that like what they

1027
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: were trying to say about like Elvis, you know, coming

1028
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: up in the Black Church, or like being having this

1029
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: transcendent moment in the Black Church and then being really

1030
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: sad when Martin Luther King died. It's like it was

1031
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: offensively shallow, Like there was shallow and like it was

1032
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: a spin on what actually happened, because what actually happened

1033
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: is that Elvis stole black music, yeah, and appropriated it.

1034
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: And in the movie it's very like, oh, they were

1035
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: so happy for his success. Yes, black people give him

1036
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: and he was such good friends with BB King, like

1037
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: of course, and he wasn't like he they were friends. Yeah,

1038
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: but like that was just like a quote unquote cinematic invention,

1039
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: so to speak. Um, Like it just was not it

1040
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: was not right, and it has everything to do with

1041
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: us exactly. And I just like I um, for me,

1042
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: the movie, and I'd be curious to know, like what

1043
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: is the Elvis movie you want to see? Because for me,

1044
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: it's like Elvis versus the American Moral Crisis of the

1045
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties is an amazing movie. Like the censorship of

1046
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: it all was so fascinating and that should have been

1047
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, Like I honestly think a movie

1048
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: that is entirely about like that one concert he did

1049
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: at the baseball field, like and everything around that is

1050
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: a really interesting movie. I also think like a movie

1051
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: that's just about his time in Hollywood would be a

1052
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: really interesting piece of his life, um or something if

1053
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: you wanted to do something this little darker, something about

1054
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: his final years, Like is there a movie that's like

1055
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: about one show that he did in Vegas? You know, like,

1056
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: because I do think at the end of the movie,

1057
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: when he's doing those Vegas performances like that, to me

1058
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: were some of the parts that worked the best. And

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01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: so I think like that movie with like an older

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Speaker 1: actor who's like Elvis at the end of his life

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Speaker 1: could be really interesting. But that's the problem with this

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Speaker 1: movie is that it tries to be all those different

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Speaker 1: movies in one movie, and it is also still this

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Speaker 1: movie about Elvis's manager. And and that's the thing is

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Speaker 1: like I love villains, Bats loves villains right like Tible,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, John Leguizamo, we forgot to talk about

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Speaker 1: John Leguizamo and fucking Romeo and Juliet. Like Bass is

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Speaker 1: good at villains, And so because we understand him as

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: an outur, we understand why he might focus on Tom

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Speaker 1: Hanks's character. But it's just not always interesting heroes, and

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Speaker 1: Elvis was not a hero in his own movie to me.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, but also like Elvis was kind of a

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Speaker 1: piece of ship in his later life and and at

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Speaker 1: least in his later life, And I think I would

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Speaker 1: have really loved to see, you know, the growth between

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: this like country boy who was you know, so modest,

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Speaker 1: yet his hips didn't lie back when he did those

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Speaker 1: like recordings, which when I first watched the movie, I

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: started revisiting like the earliest, early early recordings of Elvis

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Speaker 1: and how different he sounds, and the movie I think

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: gorgeously adapts like how um Elvis thought about um blues

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01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: music and grass and and and that I honestly had

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01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: never really thought about Elvis in the tradition of blues,

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01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: honestly because Elvis music is almost became its own genre

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01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: because a white person had never really done it before. Um.

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01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: And so this like rock hybrid became like it started

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: a whole new generation of rock pop, right. Um. But

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: I was revisiting all this like old Elvis music, and

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: like it really is like stunning, stunning music. It sounds

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: like it's it was recorded through a tin can but

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: it's still so just the movie did not make me

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01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: want to revisit Elvis's music or learn anything else about him.

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01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: I just was so put off by all of the

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01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: shenanigans and the sparkle and the editing and the fucking

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: Dojakat song and it just like it just left me

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01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: completely like apathetic about all of it. And that's the

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: thing is, like it's almost like the things that you

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: and I really love about Basil Ermann are the things

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01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: that his last three films have really suffered from, right,

1100
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: a surplus of ideas that the plot suffers from. And like,

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, I agree that, like this is kind of

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: a lame movie, but like I had the opposite reaction.

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01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: I became much more fascinated with the reality of Elvis's

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: life and so he did deep dive and revisit a

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01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: lot of his work. And and you know that's something

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01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: that I think I can credit the movie for, Like

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: it's still created Wikipedia. Yeah, that was it. I know that.

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01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: And I would rather have just read his Wikipedia than

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: I have seen that movie. I would left those three

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Speaker 1: hours of my life. Well that's and that's the other

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01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: thing is like the movie was very Wikipedia like it really,

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01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: And that's like, if you're going to do a biopic,

1113
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: like Slice of Life is the way to go. It

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01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: was very wikipedia and then still glossed over all these

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01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: uncomfortable aspects of his life, like the fact that he

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01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: was a fucking groomer, child predator. I forgot about that?

1117
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: How did you gloss over that? And that's also like

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: back to the piece of ship of it all. It's like,

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: it would be so fascinating to go from you know,

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01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: po dunk country boy to the horrendously corrupt Vegas sell

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01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: out that he became like the death of a soul,

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01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: which I think the movie trying to get at was

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: very fascinating to me. And how Vegas was a kind

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: of moment of sellout created obviously by a very evil manager,

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01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: but that's still something that's like really fascinating. And to

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: become someone who was angry, who was depressed, who you know,

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: routinely took out a gun and shot TVs or whatever,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the movie I wanted to watch. What do

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: you think could be next for Baslorman or what would

1130
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: you like to see from him? Whatever it is? It's

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01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: not original material, right, like Bas only adapts existing material

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01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: with the exception of Strictly ball Room, but even you

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01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: could argue that that was an adaptation of Dirty Dance,

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01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: a bas Lerman Marvel movie. I Well, Bass has said

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: that he wanted to adapt guys and dolls like Bass.

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01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if y'all I reread the

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: New York Times profile. I remember reading it back when

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01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: it came out and and being and remembering how absurd

1139
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: it was, um, and that it really actually changed my

1140
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: relationship to someone that I really really loved. But like,

1141
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: he's this like whackadoodle man who like lays in bed

1142
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: and has like four assistance like surrounding him, like recording

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: everything he says, and like you know, when he says,

1144
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: comes sit by the bed, they come sit by the bed, right,

1145
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 1: and he like hops out of the bed and he's naked,

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01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: and he's like it's nude Fridays. And like he's laying

1147
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: in bed with his collaborator. Inappropriate. Yes, it's it's so inappropriate.

1148
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: It's literally sexual sexual harassment. UM. But also like him

1149
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: and his collaborator slash wife is fascinating to me. Her

1150
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: name is CM. She goes by CM, like everyone calls

1151
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: her CM, and she won two oscars from Mulan Rouge right,

1152
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: the bas famously has no oscars from Mulan. I mean

1153
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: has the oscar. Sure, But like those awards went to

1154
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: his wife for production and costume, and I think that

1155
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, to to polish of the convo.

1156
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: Bass would probably be better at making movies if he

1157
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: was just gay, but he's not. He's not, and but

1158
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: he has this like costume designer, production design wife and

1159
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: they have a bizarrely kind of chased business production relationship.

1160
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: Like it's so I would love to meet and talk

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: and have dinner with him because I feel like I

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: can't fully grasp Bas as a human even I think

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: that we're all the profile. I would think that would

1164
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: be so infuriating conversation with him, Yeah, because he's clearly

1165
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: a narcissist, but anybody that rich and famous has to be.

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: We are going on vacation, it's the end of summer.

1167
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, like live our lives a little bit.

1168
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: So the next needed TLC. Yes, So the next two

1169
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: episodes are prerecorded, but they're really good. They're going to

1170
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: be sort of like the bonus episodes we were doing

1171
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: in June where we get a little deeper, a little

1172
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: more personal and vulnerable. They're less timely, but still listen.

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: Are really good, um, and support us because we all

1174
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: deserve vacations. We've been working very hard all summer, especially

1175
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,799
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01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,320
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01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,800
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01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,240
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