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Speaker 2: Craig Trudell joins us.

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Speaker 3: Now our global autos are because Tesla, which I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Tesla will be at CS inactive there and probably has

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Speaker 3: been for well a decade and a half now, is

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Speaker 3: expected to deliver a lackluster number of cars. But I

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Speaker 3: don't know how much it matters at a one and

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Speaker 3: a half trillion dollar valuation, Craig. I'm guessing they could

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Speaker 3: deliver no cars and it wouldn't make much of a difference.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been fascinating to watch because, I mean, just

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Speaker 4: in keeping with this AI theme, you know, on one hand,

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Speaker 4: Tesla has had this hugely you know, active run of

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Speaker 4: late with you know, selling investors on the notion that,

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Speaker 4: you know, speaking of AI, their vehicles are going to

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Speaker 4: be able to drive themselves. On the other hand, you've

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Speaker 4: seen Wall Street sort of get more and more comfortable

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Speaker 4: with the idea that people aren't actually you know, all

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Speaker 4: that inclined to go out and buy their their cars.

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Speaker 4: And you know, on one hand, you would you would

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Speaker 4: think that that, you know, vehicle sales would kind of

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Speaker 4: move in at least some correlation with the optimism about

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Speaker 4: the self driving capability that Musk has been promising for years.

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Speaker 4: And yet we've seen a sort of divergence here. Particularly,

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Speaker 4: I would say, you know, in the in the second

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Speaker 4: half of last year where the stock really took off.

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Speaker 4: To the company's credit, they did have a great third quarter,

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Speaker 4: but everyone saw coming that there was going to be

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Speaker 4: a big payback in the fourth quarter once once tax

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Speaker 4: credits in the US faded away.

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Speaker 2: So, Craig, that's kind of where I wanted to go.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to get your opinion as we finished out

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Where is the industry?

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Speaker 5: I'm fucking the vult wagons, the general motors, the tessels

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Speaker 5: in this transition to evs.

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Speaker 2: Are we stalled? Here? Are we stalled on hybrids? Are

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Speaker 2: we about to just reload and re accelerate? Where are

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Speaker 2: we here?

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Speaker 4: It's it's really a messy picture because you do have

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Speaker 4: a situation where Chinese manufacturers buy and large are are

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Speaker 4: having much less of an issue selling electric vehicles than

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Speaker 4: the rest of the world. You're seeing incumbents elsewhere in Europe,

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Speaker 4: uh and and particularly in the US really struggle to

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Speaker 4: to you know, make up lost ground, uh you know,

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Speaker 4: to the likes of Tesla, even as Musk has come

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Speaker 4: back to them a little bit. But particularly with with

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Speaker 4: those Chinese companies like b y d uh lately gi

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Speaker 4: And we've we've seen you know, policymakers sort of answer

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Speaker 4: in the last few weeks where you know, in Europe

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Speaker 4: you saw some softening of plans for twenty thirty five

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Speaker 4: in US we saw you know, a really dramatic move

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Speaker 4: put out there that they expect to take almost twenty

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Speaker 4: billion dollars worth of charges tied to unwinding all of

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Speaker 4: you know, these ev projects, getting rid of the F one,

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Speaker 3: Paul loved the F one, He loved the I mean,

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Speaker 3: I loved it too, but I got to say, I

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Speaker 3: feel like the GMC Sierra, which they're going to keep making,

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Speaker 2: The Silverado as well.

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Speaker 3: Therein lies the difference between US electric vehicles and Chinese

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Speaker 3: electric vehicles, Like I guess there are two, right, Craig.

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Speaker 3: The Chinese subsidize this industry to the tune of hundreds

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Speaker 3: firmly against EV's And you know, you're paying six figures

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Speaker 3: Sierra or maybe a Cayenne, you know, And in China

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Speaker 4: Know, to the credit of you know, these Chinese manufacturers,

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Speaker 4: the level of commitment that we've seen out of China

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Speaker 4: We absolutely have seen that.

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Speaker 3: Ford Motor Company with probably the news of the year

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Speaker 3: just absolutely massive, especially if you add it on to

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Speaker 3: the billions of dollars in write downs they've already taken

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Speaker 3: on the EV business. Let's bring in Aaron Kating right now,

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Speaker 3: Cox Automotive. She has been covering this industry for years

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Speaker 3: hot pursuit we start it, Aaron, what do you think

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Speaker 3: about the move by Ford, because they have been really

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Speaker 3: spectacularly unsuccessful with evs. At the same time, General Motors

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Speaker 3: They've got the Sierra, the Silverado, They've got the Chevy Bolt,

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Speaker 3: and on and on such an incredibly broad offering. Are

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Speaker 3: on their Lightning and mock e Well, first of all.

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Speaker 6: It's always great to see you, Matt.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me hypop As you can tell,

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Speaker 7: I'm one of the sufferers of the cold and illness that.

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Speaker 6: Came through the holidays.

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Speaker 7: But yes, I mean GM does have the breadth and

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Speaker 6: Of vehicles that are available on the market. So sure.

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Speaker 7: They've also noted that they've taken some hits from having

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Speaker 6: Certainly not anything on the level.

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Speaker 7: Of what Ford has had to do because they've had

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Speaker 7: the Lightning honestly just didn't do as well as they

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Speaker 7: you're going to be moving into the future. And GMS

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Speaker 2: That's where I wanted to go erin affordability.

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Speaker 5: What can the industry do, if anything, to address that

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Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, here's the deal.

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Speaker 7: And a big story is the interest rates. I mean,

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Speaker 6: But the automotive companies, I think.

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Speaker 7: But we are going to continue to see normal inflationary

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Speaker 3: And Ford, you know they have this Blue Oval City

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a steel bodied Ford Classic with

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Speaker 7: When we love a stick shift? We talk about this

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Speaker 7: all the time. Matt, Your knowledge of cars always amazes me.

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Speaker 7: I do think that they're going to continue to look at, yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: Let's talk now about one of the biggest deals of

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Speaker 3: Would would you include all those as well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: For sure, And I think the media landscape is traditionally evolving,

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Speaker 9: and we've talked about things like that, you know, the

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Speaker 9: time now, and life TV has really become now to

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Speaker 9: a point where it's sort of news, big social events

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Speaker 9: where maybe there's a voting element something like you know,

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Speaker 9: the the oscars of the Golden Globe Awards or sport,

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Speaker 9: and really it's sort of really live TV sort of

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Speaker 9: relegated down to those and the people that have really

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Speaker 9: will survive in this media landscape are the people that

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Speaker 9: embrace these sort of changes. And likewise, we've seen the

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Speaker 9: evolution of sort of short form content that can sit

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Speaker 9: alongside some of the more well produced longer form sort

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Speaker 9: of content. So the companies are going to survive in

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Speaker 9: this really are all sort of coming together. And it's

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Speaker 9: really the innovative ones that have adopt the live events

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Speaker 9: that make sense, the short phone content alongside the more

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Speaker 9: traditional video onto tim you know, content that are bits

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Speaker 9: of the companies that will ultimately survive and be successful.

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Speaker 9: And I think that's where Netflix has gone sort of

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Speaker 9: great innovation in sort of bringing all these different elements together.

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Speaker 3: Do you worry Paul about movie theaters all going broke

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Speaker 3: because everything gets streamed and kids just consume content on

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Speaker 3: their tiny little screens in their bedrooms with the door

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Speaker 3: double locks, so mom and dad don't come in.

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Speaker 9: I mean, what about the big screen? Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 9: I think that's an interesting, interesting thing. And Netflix historically

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Speaker 9: have gone for sort of more niche or limited cinema

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Speaker 9: releases to get sort of prestige or to qualify for

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Speaker 9: sort of awards. I know they've committed to extending and

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Speaker 9: not taking all of the new content. He should the

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Speaker 9: acquisition be successful directly to streaming and still preserving those

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Speaker 9: theatrical releases. But I think actually the theatrical industry has

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Speaker 9: to sort of reinvent itself. It has to create more

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Speaker 9: of an experience, not just be about seeing something on

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Speaker 9: a slightly bigger screen in a slightly different seat. It

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Speaker 9: needs to it needs to reinvent itself and create that experience.

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Speaker 9: And I think if it does that, they'll always be

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Speaker 9: a place for it. Right, it's a very it's much

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Speaker 9: more of a social element, and so I think it's

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Speaker 9: a case of just just in the experience.

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Speaker 5: Paul, let's talk about big, big time sports. I'm talking

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Speaker 5: NFL sports, fucking English Premier League. The stuff that really

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Speaker 5: moves the needle is that programming in size going to

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Speaker 5: move to streamers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think what we've seen is ultimately it's become fragmented,

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Speaker 9: so it's becoming more and more different places, right, And

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Speaker 9: I think that's a challenge for the consumer. And there's

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Speaker 9: a question of you know, if you're a if you're

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Speaker 9: a massive fan, how many how many of these sporting

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Speaker 9: services are you're willing to sign up for to see

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Speaker 9: the complete season? And I think we we'll get to

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Speaker 9: a point pretty soon where were sort of a breaking point.

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Speaker 9: And certainly our research has shown that if you're a

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Speaker 9: sports fan, you probably have an extra two or three

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Speaker 9: different subscription services purely to get your entire sports, whether

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Speaker 9: that be NFL or whether that be soccer, so just

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Speaker 9: so you can see the full elements. So I think

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Speaker 9: it actually will, you know, it actually will for sure

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Speaker 9: evolved to the streaming. The streaming players will be involved.

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Speaker 9: I think that then becomes a question of how many

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Speaker 9: players are really sustainable, you know, how many how many

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Speaker 9: people can you divide a single season between before it,

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Speaker 9: you know, customers just get turned off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think I would think sports fans are

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Speaker 3: just unhappy people right now because you know what, when

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Speaker 3: we were kids, Paul, you could watch all of the

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Speaker 3: great to sports on your free over the air broadcast television,

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Speaker 3: and now.

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Speaker 2: It's just impossible.

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Speaker 5: No, So it's uh, that's why everybody's That's why if

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Speaker 5: you're paramount, this is a half to do deal.

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Speaker 2: I it's Netflix. It's a nice deal, But if you're paramount,

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Speaker 2: you got to own one. What does David Zaslov do here, Paul,

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Speaker 2: I mean host to the Best?

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Speaker 3: This is the guy who I mean when he changed

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Speaker 3: HBO's name to Max, he looked like a chump, but

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Speaker 3: right now he looks like an absolute hero.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, that was one of those brands that

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Speaker 9: sort of came and went, wasn't it right when we

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Speaker 9: were back to we're back to back to to to

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Speaker 9: where we started. But I think there's I think there's

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Speaker 9: you know, there's a great library of content there, and

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Speaker 9: I think having a distribution part of like Netflix, you

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Speaker 9: can take that content and those brands to market. I

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Speaker 9: think he's a really really powerful combination. It's sort of

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Speaker 9: creates a sort of question of what's left with the

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Speaker 9: kble assets that are left and what's that what's the

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Speaker 9: value that's that's placed on those? But I think it's

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Speaker 9: a it's a great out look for some some great

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Speaker 9: brands that we all know and love.

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