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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. Did you see this story on the terminal?

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I cannot believe it. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: let me pull it up. Peloton sales jump sixties six

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Speaker 1: reason I was supposed to be in Georgia today getting

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Speaker 1: We don't know. If they tested me and I was positive,

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Speaker 1: would they keep me there? We don't know if they

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Speaker 1: kept me there with Georgia pay or would Maryland pay

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Speaker 1: when I went home? Eventually? When would they let me

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Speaker 1: go home? And then would they let me leave? And

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Speaker 1: then when I went home would Georgia track me back

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Speaker 1: to the Maryland authorities at all my contact? So the

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Speaker 1: federal authority has to supersede all the states who are

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Speaker 1: desperately trying to solve this problem. Without that, we're like

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Speaker 1: not even having this conversation, Kevin, that is so spot on,

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Speaker 1: so spot on in terms of the larger the larger picture,

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture, and she's you're able to sort through

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Speaker 1: the fog that that we find ourselves in. I've got

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Speaker 1: one more question for you, and we've got two minutes left.

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Speaker 1: What is the where the bipartisan areas on Capitol Hill? Right,

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Speaker 1: now a b for a policy change in US and

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Speaker 1: China relations. Oh, I don't know. Um, that's everyone's still

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Speaker 1: squabbling and using China as a political you know, hot potato.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I don't know that we're going to

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Speaker 1: get to a consensus viel and how to proceed with

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Speaker 1: them until after the election and really get at sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, when when they started being honest versus

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Speaker 1: when you know the administration stopped protecting them and all that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's too soon to tell um I do UM.

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Speaker 1: I knew that there's um not likely to be a

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Speaker 1: Parel tax cut like the President wants. But right now,

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Speaker 1: I know China is this big thing where the Republicans

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Speaker 1: have shifted, as you know Kevin did. This is their

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Speaker 1: electoral message, right, just don't depend Trump and his response

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Speaker 1: to the pandemic. Just hit it back to China and

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Speaker 1: keep everyone motivated on important changes that we have to

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Speaker 1: make right like bringing our health care supplies, UM, having

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Speaker 1: our own supply chain and not being dependent on China

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Speaker 1: next time. So I don't think we'll actually get to

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Speaker 1: um an interest in on either side in consensus on

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Speaker 1: on China for until after the election. Abe Stoddard thanks

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Speaker 1: for checking in, my friend, and I hope you get

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Speaker 1: it to watch. I hope you get to stream something.

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Speaker 1: Take it, take it easy on yourself, Abe, you work

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Speaker 1: too hard. You're the best. Thank you so much. Always

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Speaker 1: doing something UH and I will talk with you later,

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Speaker 1: my friend Abe. Of course, UH is the associate editor

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Speaker 1: and columnists at Real Clear Politics. Coming up, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: stick with foreign policy, stick with China, some new developments

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Speaker 1: on Venezuela. Brett Bruin. No one knows, not as well

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Speaker 1: a better than Brett, President of the Global Situation Room

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Speaker 1: and former White House Director of Global Engagement. He's going

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Speaker 1: to join us. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and the Bloomberg Radio, and you are listening

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Speaker 1: to Bloomberg nine to nine one. This is Bloomberg Sound

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Speaker 1: five point seven f M h D two. I'm Kevin Sireli,

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Speaker 1: all things foreign policy. Brett Bruin, I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I talked like that on air. Brett Bruin, President of

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Speaker 1: the Global Situation Room and former White House Director for

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Speaker 1: Global Engagement. Brett, I'm sorry I did like that level thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, with my voice. How you been, buddy? How's

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Speaker 1: the fam? What are you guys watching the Michael Jordan thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed coworking these days. We've got a first brader

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Speaker 1: doing his best at Eddie learning. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: the kids do it, you know, I can barely figure out,

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Speaker 1: like my whole work situation. I got all these equipment,

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Speaker 1: even you know. I feel like I'm a kid again,

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Speaker 1: all I used to do with my dad back in Delco.

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Speaker 1: I miss it. But if there's so much equipment and

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Speaker 1: and then part of me feels like I'm a DJ,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm so I gotta keep it focused

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Speaker 1: so that Christine Barrata are exactly the producer doesn't get

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Speaker 1: notes that I'm off topic. Brett, what's going on in Venezuela, Buddy, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a mess, and that is saying a lot because

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Speaker 1: it is normally a messy situation, but we seem to

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Speaker 1: have a bit of a cowboy, you know, mercenary effort

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Speaker 1: clear exactly who or why, but some folks from perhaps

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Speaker 1: the the opposition, not to suggest that one Guido and

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Speaker 1: the recognized opposition was involved with others. And this is

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Speaker 1: a um a mix of lots of different interests and individuals,

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Speaker 1: of these American soldiers along with some former Venezuelan military guys,

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Speaker 1: and they got captured. So what does that mean? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the administration Speaker Pelosi even, I mean, so many of

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Speaker 1: he represents, even and now with the pandemic specifically for Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: what does it how how does how does the pandemic

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Speaker 1: if at all impact the global support for Juan Guido. Well,

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Speaker 1: as usual, the Trump administration managed to exacerbate matters. Pompeo

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Speaker 1: but if we were, it would have gone a lot better.

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Speaker 1: So he's putting out there this dangerous idea that somehow

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Speaker 1: the US could uh engage in a military intervention in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: which will just be fodder for Maduro's propaganda. And you know,

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Speaker 1: to your question about that, they wouldn't stop propaganda anyway.

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Speaker 1: And you know, to your question about how does you

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Speaker 1: know a situation like Venezuela hold up during the COVID crisis,

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Speaker 1: the short answer is not, Well, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of crises around the world, whether it's Venezuela, what's going

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Speaker 1: on in the Middle East, North Korea, that are getting

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Speaker 1: short shrift, not just in media headlines. But let's not forget.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to some folks at the State Department today.

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Speaker 1: Our diplomats are working from home for the most part,

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Speaker 1: both here in Washington as well as around the world,

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Speaker 1: and it's really hard to do diplomacy when you can't

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Speaker 1: actually sit down and have a face to face conversation

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Speaker 1: because people don't want to share sensitive information over the phone,

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Speaker 1: even over you know, things like signal we're not you know,

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Speaker 1: I Bret, that's such a great point. And even beyond that,

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Speaker 1: just from a national from a safety perspective. You know,

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Speaker 1: course the military, we talked about small businesses. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about politics, but you think of the people who are

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Speaker 1: maybe that in countries that don't have the medical infrastructure

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Speaker 1: in it. And we've got to continue to think of

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Speaker 1: and and this this emerging sense of nonpartisanship on some areas. Yes,

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Speaker 1: of right in terms of a of a new type

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Speaker 1: let's recognize that China, and this is something folks on

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Speaker 1: It's disinfrigamation game, it's um being much more aggressive on

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Speaker 1: a diplomatic front all the while the United States is UM.

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Speaker 1: The administration is lobbying these you know, political um bombs

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Speaker 1: today the suggestion was, well, you know, we want to

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Speaker 1: important issue, let's discuss it. But let's also address the

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Speaker 1: real challenge of a health crisis, the economic crisis, and

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Speaker 1: so I'm afraid that that the administrator is squandering good

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Speaker 1: vital information to save lives. And yet you know, Pompeo Trump,

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Speaker 1: they take it ten steps too far. Well, okay, but

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Speaker 1: I and I hear, I hear. You know Brett has

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Speaker 1: to open up to be transparent? I mean, how do

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Speaker 1: say no? And honestly, based upon conversations I've had, I'm

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Speaker 1: But leave that out of it. How do we get

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Speaker 1: what does that do? It actually rallied more support behind

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Speaker 1: China because the US looks like the one that doesn't

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Speaker 1: and stop with these distractions. All right, interesting final point,

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Speaker 1: To these the lack of a coherent strategy, to lay

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Speaker 1: out a roadmap forward both what needs to be done

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Speaker 1: now as well as when you know he would take

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Speaker 1: office in January. Interesting, interesting, good stuff. Pret Bruin, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for giving us your perspective. He's the president

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Speaker 1: of Global Engagement for the Obama White House. Prett always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure. Uh, you know, keep streaming, my friend, and

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Speaker 1: coming up later on this week, we're going to continue

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Speaker 1: the conversation talking all things foreign policy, US China relations.

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Speaker 1: And on Friday, we just got word we're looking at

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Speaker 1: Friday for another interview with House Financial Services Committee Chairwoman

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Speaker 1: Maxine Waters, the Democrat from California. Lots of questions for rent,

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Speaker 1: lots of questions on mortgages in the housing market, so

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Speaker 1: that's really becoming an emerging domestic economic issue to talk

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Speaker 1: with as well. I'm Kevin serially. Download Bloomberg Down On

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