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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: Amelia Cutter will take calls with Amelia next hour here

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Speaker 2: on Coast to Coast. One of her books is called

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Speaker 2: This House, The True Story of a Girl and a Ghost.

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Speaker 2: The girl was a fifteen year old named Nora tell

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Speaker 2: us about her Amelia.

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Speaker 3: So, fifteen year old Nora is actually eleven year old me.

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Speaker 3: So I made some interesting and I know, yes, I

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Speaker 3: made some interesting editorial choices when I was writing this book,

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Speaker 3: which again was in two thousand and nine, twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: before I was involved in like the true paranormal world

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Speaker 3: of writing and the paranormal community. This was meant to

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Speaker 3: be just a book for young adults, like a middle

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Speaker 3: grade type of ya, you know, a novella type of read,

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Speaker 3: And so I sort of turned it into a narrative

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Speaker 3: about somebody slightly older than me because I thought I

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Speaker 3: thought that was a good idea at the time, but

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Speaker 3: in fact it is. It's parallel to my own story

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Speaker 3: and my real journal notes from when I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: when I was eleven and twelve are featured.

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Speaker 4: In the book, and it is.

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Speaker 3: It does chronicle the true story, but I sort of

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Speaker 3: I changed the names, which is funny because it's really

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Speaker 3: just me so but I had the joy of exploring

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Speaker 3: this house. It's to put you kind of in my place.

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Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I was a goofy kind

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Speaker 4: I was a special kid. Again.

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Speaker 3: I loved ghosts and hauntings. I latched onto that as

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Speaker 3: an interest. I fancied myself a junior ghost hunter. My

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Speaker 3: parents said it was okay for me to go inside

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Speaker 3: the house, and so I did and really fell in

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Speaker 3: love with the just the story of the house, what

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Speaker 3: happened here, who lived here, what were their lives?

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Speaker 4: Like? Who or the ghosts?

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Speaker 2: You alone?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, you know, I know right, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: probably wouldn't do it now, But I did when I

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Speaker 3: was that age, and sometimes my parents would come with me.

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Speaker 4: And then I did like a I.

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Speaker 3: Did a presentation on ghosts for like my sixth grade

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Speaker 3: English class, and so then one of my friends from

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Speaker 3: my class came and we did a little we did

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Speaker 3: a little walk through in the house during the day

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Speaker 3: and you know, half the half the first floor floor

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Speaker 3: was missing in one room, so we just didn't go

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Speaker 3: in there, and nobody nobody ever got a leg through

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Speaker 3: the floorboards or anything. We were always fairly safe.

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Speaker 2: When you were in the house. Did anything bizarre happen?

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Speaker 3: A lot of things, A lot of little things happened,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of Oh my gosh, it really takes

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Speaker 3: me back. The biggest, the biggest thing, the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: that I can talk about, was when I actually had

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Speaker 3: the experience of seeing the ghost of like a young boy.

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Speaker 4: Or a young man.

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Speaker 3: And this was the first and only time in my life.

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Speaker 3: I've had a lot of really fascinating experiences, but this

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Speaker 3: was the first and only time I would say that

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Speaker 3: I was aware that I witnessed like a full body apparition.

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Speaker 3: I had been exploring the house for some time. This

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Speaker 3: was actually the same day that my friend from class,

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Speaker 3: my sixth grade class, Graham, his name was Graham. He

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Speaker 3: was there with me and my mom was there. This

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Speaker 3: was during this day one o'clock in the afternoon, broad

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Speaker 3: daylight kind of thing, and I had been saying how

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Speaker 3: much I wanted to just see the ghosts again. All

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Speaker 3: the ghosts were sort of nebulously referred to as Walter,

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Speaker 3: but this Walter spirit was supposed to haunt the house,

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Speaker 3: and I kept thinking, I just wish I could meet Walter.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was a kid, so.

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Speaker 3: Somehow I willed that into existence. And as we were

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Speaker 3: leaving the house that day, I had like a very

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Speaker 3: sentimental feeling in my life hard about it. I really

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Speaker 3: loved this house, and I loved the idea of whoever

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Speaker 3: these people were in their lifetime.

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Speaker 4: And as we.

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Speaker 3: Were pulling away, so the road is very close to

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Speaker 3: on the cover of the book, and I saw a

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Speaker 3: Out of one of the attic windows with both of

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Speaker 3: remember what happened three days ago, but I can remember

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Speaker 3: exactly what this experience was like. And he was completely white,

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Speaker 3: So I only saw him from the waist up.

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Speaker 4: He was completely white.

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Speaker 3: He had no face. There was just a white face

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Speaker 4: But it wasn't I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, eyes, nose, mouths.

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Speaker 3: Correct, So it wasn't like a like a scary like

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Speaker 3: I could see he had curly hair. I could see

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Speaker 3: he was wearing like a shirt with gathered cuffs, long

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Speaker 3: it had shadows, and it had texture, but it was

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Speaker 3: And as I was looking up at him, even though

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Speaker 3: connecting directly to him. And I could tell that he

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Speaker 3: saw him too. And as the car went very slowly by,

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Speaker 3: his head turned very mechanically and watched watched our car.

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Speaker 4: Kind of pull away movie. Yes, and it just very

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Speaker 3: It was wild, of course, yeah, almost mechanical, like a

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Speaker 3: so she didn't see what happened, but she could see

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Speaker 4: And I asked Graham immediately, I said, what did you

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Speaker 3: And he told me exactly what I saw.

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Speaker 4: My mom, you know, stopped the car. We're going, you know, point.

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Speaker 3: Point five miles an hour anyway, but she stopped the

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Speaker 4: Do you want me to back up?

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Speaker 3: And I remember thinking to myself in my like, you know,

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Speaker 4: But as it was, I was just.

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Speaker 3: Completely I was elated, I was fascinated. I felt honored

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Speaker 4: It filled me with a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of excitement about the world. So I respect and

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Speaker 3: emphasize with people who kind of come from a place

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Speaker 3: of having had really scary paranormal experiences for me, this

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Speaker 3: was very formative in a positive way.

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Speaker 2: Amilia. Do you think it was the house or the

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Speaker 2: land that was haunted?

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Speaker 3: I feel like it could have been a little bit

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Speaker 3: of both. So that area, that land was really well preserved.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot had changed about.

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Speaker 4: The sort of the land, structure and.

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Speaker 3: Layout of that area around my Lady's Manner.

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Speaker 4: There were some newer.

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Speaker 3: Houses that were built on the property within several miles,

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Speaker 3: but they had mostly kept it kind of hacked, and

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Speaker 3: so you know houses houses. This house had probably been

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Speaker 3: there at the time or shortly after My Lady's Manner

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Speaker 3: was built. And so I do believe that whoever this

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Speaker 3: The way that his clothes kind of reminded me of

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Speaker 3: it gave me like a vibe of like somebody who

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Speaker 4: Type of thing. And that would be my best guest.

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Speaker 2: By the way, were you named after Amelia your heart?

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Speaker 1: I was so.

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Speaker 3: I named after the Joni Mitchell song Amelia about Amelia

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Speaker 3: Earhart's with the.

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Speaker 2: Two first I knew it. How many people do you

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Speaker 2: think you've interviewed paranormal.

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Speaker 4: Wise, gosh, lots.

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Speaker 3: A lot, a lot. And then I meet people at

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Speaker 3: all the events and thinks that I go to. So

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Speaker 3: people always want are eager to share their stories.

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Speaker 4: So I've heard.

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Speaker 3: So many different stories from people and have collected a

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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of information, a lot of emotions

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Speaker 2: Probably like me, my role is not to destroy their story,

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Speaker 2: case when you interviewed all these people, You're not out

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Speaker 2: to really chastise them or praise them. You're there for

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So I'm there for the story. I'm there to

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Speaker 4: To their experience. And I do think that.

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Speaker 3: We need to offer spaces for people to tell their

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Speaker 3: something else that could have been going on. It's for me,

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Speaker 3: to just sort of be somebody that listens and validates

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Speaker 3: people's experiences because these experiences are real, whether we want

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Speaker 3: to judge them as true or not, They're still there's

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Speaker 3: still real experiences, if that makes sense. They've happened, and

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Speaker 3: how people perceive them might be one thing. But I

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Speaker 3: harshest critics are other people who are ghosts and paranormal

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Speaker 3: I've observed that a lot, and I've really grown to

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Speaker 3: want to get away from that type of mentality of

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Speaker 3: just be constant, just be relentlessly bumping.

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Speaker 2: Have your views on the paranormal changed over the years.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, so.

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Speaker 3: I have kind of gone through the gambit of feelings

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Speaker 3: around ghosts. When I joined the paranormal community here in

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Speaker 3: that I did not that there's anything wrong with some

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Speaker 3: I've decided instead of being there doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Serve me to be more close minded.

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Speaker 3: Why am I attracted to this interest with paranormal experiences

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Speaker 3: of my own if I'm going to come into it

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Speaker 3: and be a curudgeon, right, So I had really expanded

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Speaker 3: people are starting to do that now, more broadly, looking

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Speaker 3: used to ufo people and big foot people and ghost

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Speaker 2: We're going to take your calls next hour with Amelia Cutter.

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Speaker 2: Will take your questions or stories that you might have,

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Speaker 2: so jump aboard and share them with us. What do

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Speaker 2: you think a ghost is, Amelia?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a really good question. I don't I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I do believe it.

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Speaker 3: Is something physical, and I think it sort of touches

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Speaker 3: a lot of different areas. It's a little bit of science,

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Speaker 4: I do think it is something.

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Speaker 3: I do think a ghost is something physical, whether it

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Speaker 3: it's an echo that is held in stone and wood

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Speaker 3: and rock and the earth. I'm open to all of

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Speaker 2: It is truly remarkable. What is your website?

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Speaker 3: My website is Ameliacotter dot com.

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Speaker 2: We've got that linked up at costacostam dot com. How

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Speaker 2: many books you've been working on? And what's next right now?

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Speaker 3: I've got another poetry collection on deck, so deviating a

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Speaker 3: little bit from the paranormal stuff, I'm working on a

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Speaker 3: second edition for the Ghosts of the Old Barboo Inn book,

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Speaker 3: and I'm doing a lot of different research papers and

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Speaker 2: Maryland, How haunted is that state?

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Speaker 3: Quite very extremely cool states, fantastic state, full of wonderful

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Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. Meally, we're going to take calls with you

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Speaker 2: that could precipitate any kind of story for you. You might

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Speaker 2: be able to write a new book based on these

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Speaker 3: Within the confines of the restaurant itself, people had seen

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Speaker 2: Where does the evil come in with some of these ghosts.

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Speaker 3: I just it's hard for me to wrap my mind.

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Speaker 3: moral understanding. In other cultures, you know, entities generally tend

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Speaker 3: to be more like, have more human characteristics, where they're

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Speaker 4: In the middle of the night and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Same question, have you ever witnessed an exorcism?

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Speaker 3: I have never witnessed an exorcism, but I have witnessed

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Speaker 3: it was definitely, uh, nothing to nothing to trifle with.

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