Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Long Island Bunker.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times in the last few
Speaker 1: months I have gotten on the microphone to talk about
Speaker 1: a mass shooting event. I should probably start keeping score,
Speaker 1: because last week, right, I was having, as many of
Speaker 1: you know who follow me with having a bit of,
Speaker 1: you know, an existential crisis kind of day where I
Speaker 1: needed to take myself out on a walk, do some stretching,
Speaker 1: do some meditation and some breathing because I just can't
Speaker 1: and take watching this country just spiral down the fucking
Speaker 1: sewer dream. When I came back, I had tweeted out
Speaker 1: so what did I miss while I was gone for
Speaker 1: all of an hour? And what I had missed, of course,
Speaker 1: was a mass shooting event that had happened in Atlanta
Speaker 1: where the suspect was on the run who has now
Speaker 1: since been caught after shooting up a medical facility, killing
Speaker 1: one person and injuring for others. And you know, I am,
Speaker 1: as you all know, have been home on Long Island,
Speaker 1: visiting my family and just to get a breather right,
Speaker 1: just to surround myself with a little bit more nature
Speaker 1: ground myself, you know, with the you know, just being
Speaker 1: around my family and ground myself, because I have the
Speaker 1: tendency when I get too embedded and invested in the
Speaker 1: news to just catastrophize. Right. But the thing is that
Speaker 1: I'm realizing is it's not a figment of my imagination.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not losing it, right, Like, it isn't normal
Speaker 1: what we are experiencing every single fucking week. It's not normal.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been normal since Donald Trump came down that escalator.
Speaker 1: It hasn't like we have literally been experiencing trauma just
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. My mother is not, unlike everyone
Speaker 1: else's mother, who has pretty much stopped watching the news.
Speaker 1: She gets alerts on her phone like everybody else does,
Speaker 1: and we'll read through some of them, but she has
Speaker 1: stopped ingesting the news except when her youngest daughter is
Speaker 1: on the news, because she can't stomach it, because it
Speaker 1: makes her fearful to even want to leave her house
Speaker 1: and then realizing that you're not even safe in your
Speaker 1: own home, and that if she were to continue watching
Speaker 1: the news at that rate, then she would never leave
Speaker 1: and probably never leave her bed. And that's how I
Speaker 1: feel most days. I'm not going to lie. It's why
Speaker 1: I have doubled down, tripled down in my meditation. It's
Speaker 1: why I, you know, get outside each and every day
Speaker 1: to just you know, see some smiling faces, take in
Speaker 1: some fresh air, look at the sun, look at you know,
Speaker 1: spring blooming all around me. To remind me that there
Speaker 1: is good in you know, that there is good out there,
Speaker 1: that that there is beauty. And I say this to
Speaker 1: you all at the beginning of a new week because
Speaker 1: I think that it is important. We are being inundated.
Speaker 1: When Steve Bannon said flood the zone with shit, this
Speaker 1: is what the fuck he was talking about. You know,
Speaker 1: to just open the hose and spray everywhere mayhem, cruelty, disaster, misery,
Speaker 1: anti semitism, racism, transphobia, homophobia, islamophobia, misogyny, you know, just
Speaker 1: spread it everywhere, right to every nook and cranny, every crevice,
Speaker 1: so that we lose hope, so that we are exhausted
Speaker 1: and lose the ability to fight back. So I say,
Speaker 1: at the beginning of every week, right, we only get
Speaker 1: pretty much like a day and a half to really relax.
Speaker 1: If you really think about the weekend, that if you
Speaker 1: are not making time each and every day for rest, hydration, joy, beauty.
Speaker 1: You are helping them win. It is not winning to
Speaker 1: be sitting in front of a screen, tweeting into the
Speaker 1: late night, posting and watching every scrap of news that
Speaker 1: you possibly can. That is how they win by making
Speaker 1: us fear, our neighbors, fear going outside, shrinking our world.
Speaker 1: It is more important than ever for you to stretch,
Speaker 1: for you to make connections, real life connections with people
Speaker 1: who don't think like you, who don't love like you,
Speaker 1: to build community, write real life community as well as
Speaker 1: online community, because that reality is harder to penetrate with disinformation.
Speaker 1: So it is important now than ever to use your
Speaker 1: rest and joy as resistance to build up that reservoir
Speaker 1: so that you're able to move through the weeks which
Speaker 1: are harder and harder to move through. So please take
Speaker 1: that on at the beginning of each and every week
Speaker 1: and check in with yourself, check in with your friends,
Speaker 1: check in with your family to make sure they too
Speaker 1: are keeping themselves and their energy safe. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor
Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we have any
Speaker 1: opportunity to speak with our friend doctor Jonathan Mepzil. Each
Speaker 1: and every week, I am always pleased. However, today I
Speaker 1: am Jonathan. I need to stop going on the internet.
Speaker 1: It is just wholly not good for my mental health
Speaker 1: and wellbeing. As you can see, I'm with my family
Speaker 1: on Long Island this week because I just needed a
Speaker 1: break and I like to come out here and just
Speaker 1: get a peace of mind. But this week I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter, which is just the dumpster fire, and
Speaker 1: every single story that is sent to me, whether somebody
Speaker 1: dms me or I see it in the timeline, is
Speaker 1: like one horrible shooting story after the next, one horrible
Speaker 1: story about like, you know, a BLM protester that drove
Speaker 1: into a crowd didn't get jail time. You know, she's
Speaker 1: getting like five hours of community service. The Supreme courtus
Speaker 1: completely and totally corrupt, and apparently has been since the
Speaker 1: two thousand elections, are probably before. And I just wondered
Speaker 1: these days, Jonathan, like one, how you're keeping your wits
Speaker 1: about you? Because I'm really fine. I am back to
Speaker 1: a place where I am meditating multiple times a day,
Speaker 1: not going for multiple walks. I'm doing everything that I
Speaker 1: possibly can to stay sane and it doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: be working.
Speaker 2: Well, let me first give some objective reassurance that you're
Speaker 2: not responding to nothing. In other words, I just think
Speaker 2: objectively and scientifically, everything sucks, and so yeah, and so
Speaker 2: I just think the issues that we're facing right now,
Speaker 2: on one hand, are very are very real issues, and
Speaker 2: so I don't want to negate the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: there's this idea oh everybody, and it's weird because like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, tell me how you feel. I feel
Speaker 2: in a way, Like, on one hand, Twitter is so
Speaker 2: much worse, Like you go on now and my feed
Speaker 2: is either black people committing crimes and getting away with
Speaker 2: it like that that's like eighty percent of it, and
Speaker 2: then somebody punched somebody in the face and like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I did not ask for any of this stuff, or
Speaker 2: right wingers talking about how Jesus would hypothetically Jesus would
Speaker 2: be fighting trans people also, you know, and it's inferiating,
Speaker 2: Like I want to say, like, hey, that's a hypothetical
Speaker 2: question about transfeable you made up to answer about Jesus,
Speaker 2: Like if I ask if Jesus was your cellmate in
Speaker 2: a maximum security prison, would you tie his shoes or
Speaker 2: something like. It's totally hypothetical, but it just it ties.
Speaker 2: It just taps into all this stuff. So Twitter is
Speaker 2: objectively worse, and I'm more addicted to it right now,
Speaker 2: Like I can't get off it, and so whatever they're doing,
Speaker 2: it's keeping me on Twitter. And so it's kind of
Speaker 2: weird that I want there to be some like nice
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's hard, like what are we going
Speaker 2: to think about communication right now? I just keep wondering
Speaker 2: this because, on one hand, Twitter reaches a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's it's more addictive than reading the New York Times.
Speaker 2: It's more addictant than reading the Atlantic. You can scroll
Speaker 2: through and see stuff that either infury it's you, pushes
Speaker 2: every button or justifies your thing. But the other thing
Speaker 2: is it just has a kind of reach leading into
Speaker 2: an election. So saying that I'm going to go on
Speaker 2: Mastadon or Masticator or whatever the heck it is or
Speaker 2: some other stuff and reach one hundred people like you
Speaker 2: know Facebook used to do twenty years ago, it just
Speaker 2: feels like it just feels like, Okay, that's great if
Speaker 2: you want to talk to your friends, but right now,
Speaker 2: considering what the issues are, you actually need big alliances,
Speaker 2: and so I don't see what the Remember when Must
Speaker 2: took over, there was all this Oh, we're going to
Speaker 2: go on all these alternatives and it's going to be
Speaker 2: also great and stuff, and I just don't see that emerging.
Speaker 2: And so it increases the risk of Twitter and increases
Speaker 2: the manipulation of Twitter as you go toward toward the election,
Speaker 2: but it also increases like the importance of Twitter because
Speaker 2: there's no viable alternatives. So I don't know. I feel really,
Speaker 2: I feel really torn about this, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm very aware of these things, and I still get
Speaker 2: I still get hooked. And I know. So I did
Speaker 2: a podcast the other day and the interviewer was telling
Speaker 2: me about research that showed that American polarizations started to
Speaker 2: get worse in like twenty thirteen. Everybody started to get
Speaker 2: a cellphone and stuff like that. Like I believe that's true.
Speaker 2: I believe that this thing is like the polarizing agent
Speaker 2: of all time. It's being used against us, but I
Speaker 2: don't know it's the same thing. Like I also then
Speaker 2: get insomnia. I also then think about these images and think, like, oh,
Speaker 2: do I you know, whatever, it's it's yeah, it works.
Speaker 1: But you're you're right, because there is something like the
Speaker 1: other night I found myself which going against all of
Speaker 1: the recommendations that I give to all of my listeners
Speaker 1: and followers, which is, you know, there was a buzz
Speaker 1: that came on my phone from the New York Times,
Speaker 1: right and it is a breaking news story that happened,
Speaker 1: you know, probably I think the student the story came
Speaker 1: out at like nine forty five. I'm seeing it on
Speaker 1: my phone at ten thirty, and then I'm on Twitter
Speaker 1: until twelve thirty in the morning and couldn't stop, like,
Speaker 1: couldn't get off of it. Everybody seemed to still be awake,
Speaker 1: you know, who was on the East Coast at twelve
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. Ye kind of going through, you know,
Speaker 1: going through this story and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And it was like the feeling still that I had
Speaker 1: during the Trump administration that you and I have talked
Speaker 1: about so many times, which is that every time your
Speaker 1: phone would go off with an alert, you're just waiting
Speaker 1: for like breaking news. We've entered into World War three,
Speaker 1: breaking news, there's been like a nuclear assault, breaking news,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody's been assassinated, Like you're just waiting for
Speaker 1: the other shoe to drop. And what I realize is
Speaker 1: that the other shoe is consistently dropping. It isn't just
Speaker 1: one thing that we're waiting for. It's this steady drip
Speaker 1: of horrific coverg right of like every single thing, and
Speaker 1: just recognizing that all of it comes back to the
Speaker 1: fact that there is no accountability, there's no responsibility. We
Speaker 1: have these supreme and I put it in quotations, thinking
Speaker 1: about the Supreme Court, these supreme entities that we've put
Speaker 1: into place to police themselves, right, and then wonder why
Speaker 1: there is erosion and corruption and corrosion of our systems.
Speaker 1: And so I just find myself at this place. You know,
Speaker 1: I am I'm being this is funny. I'm being honored
Speaker 1: by my former high school. Yes, and I am being
Speaker 1: asked to go and speak to a group of two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine through twelfth graders. Right. I love this,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I'm like, what am I going
Speaker 1: to tell these teenagers who are inheriting literally a pile
Speaker 1: of shit like I have nothing like I have. I
Speaker 1: just I was stunned when they were just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'd love for you to you know, calm into
Speaker 1: you know, one of the periods and and and speak
Speaker 1: to like the young people about your path and your journey.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, into Mayhaw, Well.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that because I think, you know, on
Speaker 2: one hand, you just did give the perfect tideline, which
Speaker 2: is we keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Speaker 2: But it turns out there's no shortage of shoes in
Speaker 2: the supply.
Speaker 1: Of shoes extre at DSW Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so like it is DSW ds W. The
Speaker 2: shoes just going to keep dropping, you know, like I
Speaker 2: love Lucy and those cakes on the conveyor belt, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's that's those those are the shoes. But I
Speaker 2: will say that it's you know, speaking to students. It
Speaker 2: reminds me of remember that we've talked about it here,
Speaker 2: I think a little bit, but that that documentary about
Speaker 2: Cambridge Analytica that came out like when things still felt
Speaker 2: like we could fight it back against them. And the
Speaker 2: whole idea of Cambridge Analytica is that they realized that
Speaker 2: it wasn't that they had to convince people to vote
Speaker 2: for a bad candidate. They had to convince people that
Speaker 2: the system it meant that their vote didn't matter. And
Speaker 2: so I do think that's an important message for students.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I'm giving the Vanderbilt graduation speech for
Speaker 2: my department next week and that's what I'll be talking about,
Speaker 2: which is that engagement is key because there's every force
Speaker 2: in the world trying to get you not engaged and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you know. Hopefully, in school you
Speaker 2: learn how to talk to people who are different than you.
Speaker 2: It's one of the times in your life where you
Speaker 2: really can't completely select your audience the way you can
Speaker 2: as the older you get, yeah, and so you meet
Speaker 2: people who are different than you. And so the importance
Speaker 2: of school is learning how to talk to people who
Speaker 2: are different than you and to fight against that Cambridge
Speaker 2: Analytica narrative which tells you that your engagement doesn't matter
Speaker 2: because that's what the system wants you to feel. And
Speaker 2: so I think that's an important message because I don't know,
Speaker 2: we're seeing it right now in Ashville, where we had
Speaker 2: thousands of students out for gun safety reform, and it
Speaker 2: was an incredible a couple of days, and then the
Speaker 2: system went right back to where it was. And so
Speaker 2: there's in my own hometown right now, students are saying, look,
Speaker 2: we went out, we marched, we protested, and just last
Speaker 2: week the Tennessee politicians passed a bill protecting gun manufacturers
Speaker 2: from any liability. That's the only thing we did. And
Speaker 2: so it just takes persistence right now, no matter what
Speaker 2: side of this year on, it takes talking to a
Speaker 2: little different to you than persistence. And I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of what I mean. I think that's a message
Speaker 2: for students. But again it's also coming from somebody who's
Speaker 2: up until three in the morning, you know, watching just
Speaker 2: waiting for like one dog tweet or one thing about
Speaker 2: like cute little monkeys or any kangaroos or something. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you this, so you know, this
Speaker 1: is the feeling that I also started having around going
Speaker 1: to my former high school, which is I haven't been
Speaker 1: you know. I spoke at a private, uh a private
Speaker 1: school on the Upper East Side probably like three or
Speaker 1: four years ago. It was really you know, it was
Speaker 1: really great. Was all girls private school, one of you know,
Speaker 1: one of the fancy elite ones, and it was it
Speaker 1: was wonderful. And this is my first time in a
Speaker 1: public high school, probably since I went to high school.
Speaker 1: And I was walking with my sister the other day
Speaker 1: and I said, I am terrified to go to a
Speaker 1: high school. I haven't been in one since there were
Speaker 1: mass shootings. Like mass shootings are the norm, school shootings
Speaker 1: are the norm. And she and my sister is a
Speaker 1: teacher and at a at a middle school, and she's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you just need to kind of put
Speaker 1: it out of your mind, you know, and just you know,
Speaker 1: and just go. And my feeling, Jonathan, as I was
Speaker 1: like grappling, as I'm grappling with this feeling of fear
Speaker 1: of going into a public high school, is that like
Speaker 1: I'm going in for forty five minutes. Once these kids
Speaker 1: go in every single day, all day, how how are
Speaker 1: they able to push past what I was starting to
Speaker 1: feel like this paralytic fear of like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in this auditorium, like where are
Speaker 1: the exits? Like I don't know what these active shooter
Speaker 1: drills are like running through this fear that I have.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, and this is how we're sending
Speaker 1: kids to school every day?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And parents, I mean I see it in Nashville
Speaker 2: parents think long and hard every day when they drop
Speaker 2: their kids off to school. And there was a Okay,
Speaker 2: there was a great Twitter thread last week about a
Speaker 2: parent at the school in Nashville who said, our school
Speaker 2: did everything right. We had armed guards, we had a
Speaker 2: gun policy, we had under the desk policy, locked door policy,
Speaker 2: every policy, and it's and it's still didn't do anything
Speaker 2: because the shooter but seven guns legally in the two
Speaker 2: weeks before the shooting, and so and there was no recourse.
Speaker 2: And so I just think it's you know, people kind
Speaker 2: of laugh and say, oh, we're living in a war zone,
Speaker 2: but we are kind of living in a war zone.
Speaker 2: People talk, People talk when they feel like they could
Speaker 2: have their life threatened in daily interactions. This is just
Speaker 2: kind of how it sounds. And so it's, uh, it's.
Speaker 1: Something I want to get your thoughts on this too.
Speaker 1: This past week, one of the stories that has been,
Speaker 1: you know, going around is the surgeon in general, the
Speaker 1: Deck Murphy, has come out and said that loneliness is
Speaker 1: essentially killing right, that there is this deep seated feeling
Speaker 1: of loneliness that was exasperated but was still on the
Speaker 1: rise before COVID exasperated with COVID, and that this sense
Speaker 1: of isolation and loneliness is affecting so many people, and
Speaker 1: that while we are living at a time when we
Speaker 1: can be on Twitter right and see people tweeting, you know,
Speaker 1: until the wee hours of the morning, that we are
Speaker 1: so disconnected and so isolated, and it is causing greater
Speaker 1: instances of diabetes and heart disease and dementia and all
Speaker 1: of these things. And I just wonder, Jonathan, about these
Speaker 1: feelings that particularly young people have, right and are grappling
Speaker 1: with the sense of fear, the lack of control because
Speaker 1: they can't vote yet, right, and this sense of isolation,
Speaker 1: and how we really discuss this kind of Quo Wyatt pandemic,
Speaker 1: that this quiet epidemic that has been infiltrating our society.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just add to that also, which is that
Speaker 2: there are moves. You probably saw that GOP person who
Speaker 2: in the donor meeting was talking about the main issue
Speaker 2: for GOP going forward is suppressing the votes of the
Speaker 2: h and to twenty one. Yeah, yeah, and so they're
Speaker 2: also being targeted, you know, And so it's it's a
Speaker 2: time for mobilization and action. And the other huge part
Speaker 2: of this, it often doesn't get mentioned, are the economics them.
Speaker 2: Rents are going up in New York. We're looking at
Speaker 2: another rate increase. Screenwriters are on strikes, right. I just
Speaker 2: keep thinking about the people in France actually who are
Speaker 2: protesting about the It just seems so quaint by our standards,
Speaker 2: But the idea that basically raising the retirement age is
Speaker 2: something that people are kind of going to the to
Speaker 2: the barricades about. But we live in a world where
Speaker 2: the kind of old social contracts between workers and their
Speaker 2: bodies and their lives and their employers is starting to
Speaker 2: break down a little bit. And so not a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, I mean, I mean in France, you know, they've
Speaker 1: been in the streets for weeks at this point, for weeks.
Speaker 1: They've been in the streets, much in the way that
Speaker 1: the women of Iran have been in the streets for
Speaker 1: for for months at this point.
Speaker 2: No, but the thing is like there are these larger
Speaker 2: factors about just what the global economy and infrastructure and
Speaker 2: all these factors and and uh and and and and
Speaker 2: and so I don't know, it's just it's a it's
Speaker 2: a perilous time. It's it's a perilous time. Right, because
Speaker 2: if there's going to be a recession coming, or if
Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, someone argue we're already in h yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So it's just disapp And I'm just saying
Speaker 2: it's just a scary time for It's a scary time
Speaker 2: for kids.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a scary time for I mean, we
Speaker 1: started this conversation like, it's a scary time, just point
Speaker 1: blank period. I And that's why I'm saying, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I find myself wanting to flee, wanting to research where
Speaker 1: I can live abroad because I had this thought, you know,
Speaker 1: my mother just celebrated a big birthday and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm making it to that age.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, and I if I do,
Speaker 1: I don't know what America looks like five, ten, twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years from now, and if America actually exists. And
Speaker 1: I find myself having these conversations with friends on the air,
Speaker 1: with PEA people, and it just seems like there's this
Speaker 1: never ending existential threat. And Jonathan, I have to ask you, like,
Speaker 1: has there been another time that I am missing that
Speaker 1: we were all collectively going through something like this.
Speaker 2: Well, it feels like the lead up to World War
Speaker 2: two again, not to be like a down or again,
Speaker 2: but I just keep thinking of like nobody wanted Hitler
Speaker 2: to get elected. Hitler was part of a failed party
Speaker 2: that had very little support then and had not been
Speaker 2: elected and had not been given power. And then there
Speaker 2: was basically an economic crisis, and the Chancellor of Germany
Speaker 2: all of a sudden made a deal with Hitler, which
Speaker 2: trying to be a deal with the devil, but it
Speaker 2: was kind of out of desperation, right, Fascism rises through
Speaker 2: economic desperation, And so I do feel like, I mean,
Speaker 2: and this is my own family history, so I'm very
Speaker 2: attuned to this, but but I do feel like I
Speaker 2: do feel like we're kind of leading up to it
Speaker 2: just feels like that moment. It just feels like that moment.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's going to be that come.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll learn from history, Maybe we're going to learn
Speaker 2: and turn another, you know direction. I mean, I hopefully
Speaker 2: that's that's what's going to happen, because it's not that
Speaker 2: long ago. It's not that it's not that long ago
Speaker 2: that all of this happened. But I guess I've been
Speaker 2: thinking about it in light of this debt ceiling issue, honestly,
Speaker 2: because everybody's like, oh, they'll never cause a default, and
Speaker 2: they're never going to cause a default, and they're going
Speaker 2: to negotiate, and at the end of the day, the
Speaker 2: economy matters. But I do think history shows us that,
Speaker 2: like fascism rises out of the kinds of conditions that
Speaker 2: would be created if we default on our debt. And
Speaker 2: so it's not like automatically they're just going to rush to, oh,
Speaker 2: let's find a middle ground or something, which they would
Speaker 2: normally do during a regular economy. So again, we're going
Speaker 2: it's a very dark theatory right now. But I do
Speaker 2: think that there are historical correlates, and I think we
Speaker 2: should look at those historical corelates to figure out how
Speaker 2: we can change course again, because the really the economy is,
Speaker 2: it's just such a key player in all of this,
Speaker 2: and it's not it's not just like, oh, let's boost
Speaker 2: the American economy. It's like the American economy doing poorly
Speaker 2: serve some people's interests.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this closing question of our
Speaker 1: existential conversation today, which is, you know, what would changing
Speaker 1: course look like, because obviously we're not a country that
Speaker 1: is a student of history, right, We erase history, we
Speaker 1: whitewash history, We create heroes where there were none, and
Speaker 1: fantasy where to fill in the blanks of the horrific.
Speaker 1: So if we were if a course shift were to
Speaker 1: begin to happen, what does that even look like in
Speaker 1: your mind?
Speaker 2: Well, remember how we thought everything was going to fall
Speaker 2: apart in the world before the midterms, and then people
Speaker 2: really got their act together. It was like the last
Speaker 2: vestige of representative democracy. People really mobilized, They beat gearmandering,
Speaker 2: they beat expectations. And even though we're seeing right now
Speaker 2: the catastrophic effects of a GOP Congress, imagine what this
Speaker 2: would have been like if they were controlling the Senate
Speaker 2: also right now, which is what people were expecting. And
Speaker 2: Democrats were kind of resigned to that. And so I
Speaker 2: think we learned from the midterm that we don't that
Speaker 2: the dire predictions don't have to come true if people
Speaker 2: can mobilize it against this feeling of against this feeling
Speaker 2: of helplessness, and your vote doesn't matter and all those
Speaker 2: factors and I and the stakes are obviously going to
Speaker 2: be much higher in twenty twenty four, and the resistance
Speaker 2: is going to be much greater. But I do think
Speaker 2: that that really is the lesson is the lesson is
Speaker 2: the lesson of the midterm.
Speaker 1: All right, Jonathan, Today we will leave it here as
Speaker 1: we both go back into the sewer of Twitter. When
Speaker 1: when we get off to you know, make sure we
Speaker 1: see every single shoe that drops on a daily basis.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, well, are you gonna are you
Speaker 2: gonna tweet your address to the students that could be positive?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I mean I will say on Twitter the one thing
Speaker 2: I love our videos of Panda's falling off of exercise balls,
Speaker 2: Like so you know, if you want to, you know,
Speaker 2: that's it. If I could just get that on my feet,
Speaker 2: I'd be rich for her.
Speaker 1: So when we all, as always, dear friend, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you making the time to join.
Speaker 2: Wok F take care everybody.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woke
Speaker 1: F as always, power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.