WEBVTT - Circling the Drain 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.880 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:20.000 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Long Island Bunker. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:26.319 I don't know how many times in the last few 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:31.000 months I have gotten on the microphone to talk about 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.600 a mass shooting event. I should probably start keeping score, 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:42.640 because last week, right, I was having, as many of 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.680 you know who follow me with having a bit of, 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.320 you know, an existential crisis kind of day where I 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:55.160 needed to take myself out on a walk, do some stretching, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:59.920 do some meditation and some breathing because I just can't 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:06.880 and take watching this country just spiral down the fucking 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:12.759 sewer dream. When I came back, I had tweeted out 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.679 so what did I miss while I was gone for 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.400 all of an hour? And what I had missed, of course, 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:25.080 was a mass shooting event that had happened in Atlanta 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.959 where the suspect was on the run who has now 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:33.720 since been caught after shooting up a medical facility, killing 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:40.720 one person and injuring for others. And you know, I am, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.119 as you all know, have been home on Long Island, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.160 visiting my family and just to get a breather right, 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.000 just to surround myself with a little bit more nature 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.840 ground myself, you know, with the you know, just being 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.040 around my family and ground myself, because I have the 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.760 tendency when I get too embedded and invested in the 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:08.880 news to just catastrophize. Right. But the thing is that 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.800 I'm realizing is it's not a figment of my imagination. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:19.560 Like I'm not losing it, right, Like, it isn't normal 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:26.480 what we are experiencing every single fucking week. It's not normal. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.560 It hasn't been normal since Donald Trump came down that escalator. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:39.280 It hasn't like we have literally been experiencing trauma just 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:46.160 on a regular basis. My mother is not, unlike everyone 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:52.000 else's mother, who has pretty much stopped watching the news. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.040 She gets alerts on her phone like everybody else does, 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.200 and we'll read through some of them, but she has 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:01.760 stopped ingesting the news except when her youngest daughter is 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.760 on the news, because she can't stomach it, because it 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.960 makes her fearful to even want to leave her house 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.640 and then realizing that you're not even safe in your 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.880 own home, and that if she were to continue watching 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.480 the news at that rate, then she would never leave 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.000 and probably never leave her bed. And that's how I 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.079 feel most days. I'm not going to lie. It's why 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.480 I have doubled down, tripled down in my meditation. It's 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.600 why I, you know, get outside each and every day 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.920 to just you know, see some smiling faces, take in 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.120 some fresh air, look at the sun, look at you know, 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.360 spring blooming all around me. To remind me that there 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.720 is good in you know, that there is good out there, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.680 that that there is beauty. And I say this to 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.560 you all at the beginning of a new week because 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.200 I think that it is important. We are being inundated. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.760 When Steve Bannon said flood the zone with shit, this 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.240 is what the fuck he was talking about. You know, 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:11.560 to just open the hose and spray everywhere mayhem, cruelty, disaster, misery, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:19.120 anti semitism, racism, transphobia, homophobia, islamophobia, misogyny, you know, just 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:25.240 spread it everywhere, right to every nook and cranny, every crevice, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.719 so that we lose hope, so that we are exhausted 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.080 and lose the ability to fight back. So I say, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.719 at the beginning of every week, right, we only get 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.480 pretty much like a day and a half to really relax. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.440 If you really think about the weekend, that if you 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:52.080 are not making time each and every day for rest, hydration, joy, beauty. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:57.520 You are helping them win. It is not winning to 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.560 be sitting in front of a screen, tweeting into the 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:07.120 late night, posting and watching every scrap of news that 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:12.600 you possibly can. That is how they win by making 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:17.799 us fear, our neighbors, fear going outside, shrinking our world. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.479 It is more important than ever for you to stretch, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:27.799 for you to make connections, real life connections with people 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.039 who don't think like you, who don't love like you, 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.280 to build community, write real life community as well as 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:42.200 online community, because that reality is harder to penetrate with disinformation. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.440 So it is important now than ever to use your 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:54.280 rest and joy as resistance to build up that reservoir 0:05:54.839 --> 0:06:00.240 so that you're able to move through the weeks which 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:05.680 are harder and harder to move through. So please take 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.159 that on at the beginning of each and every week 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.599 and check in with yourself, check in with your friends, 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:15.080 check in with your family to make sure they too 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:22.719 are keeping themselves and their energy safe. Coming up next, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:28.000 my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:34.280 Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we have any 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.560 opportunity to speak with our friend doctor Jonathan Mepzil. Each 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.760 and every week, I am always pleased. However, today I 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.680 am Jonathan. I need to stop going on the internet. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.800 It is just wholly not good for my mental health 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.240 and wellbeing. As you can see, I'm with my family 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.080 on Long Island this week because I just needed a 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.800 break and I like to come out here and just 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:09.560 get a peace of mind. But this week I'm just 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.840 I'm on Twitter, which is just the dumpster fire, and 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.280 every single story that is sent to me, whether somebody 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.400 dms me or I see it in the timeline, is 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.080 like one horrible shooting story after the next, one horrible 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.400 story about like, you know, a BLM protester that drove 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.440 into a crowd didn't get jail time. You know, she's 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.840 getting like five hours of community service. The Supreme courtus 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.000 completely and totally corrupt, and apparently has been since the 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.960 two thousand elections, are probably before. And I just wondered 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.200 these days, Jonathan, like one, how you're keeping your wits 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.800 about you? Because I'm really fine. I am back to 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.000 a place where I am meditating multiple times a day, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.720 not going for multiple walks. I'm doing everything that I 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.880 possibly can to stay sane and it doesn't seem to 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:05.880 be working. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.960 Well, let me first give some objective reassurance that you're 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.200 not responding to nothing. In other words, I just think 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:23.800 objectively and scientifically, everything sucks, and so yeah, and so 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.400 I just think the issues that we're facing right now, 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.400 on one hand, are very are very real issues, and 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.800 so I don't want to negate the fact that you know, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:37.040 there's this idea oh everybody, and it's weird because like, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.240 I don't know, tell me how you feel. I feel 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.960 in a way, Like, on one hand, Twitter is so 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.319 much worse, Like you go on now and my feed 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.800 is either black people committing crimes and getting away with 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.280 it like that that's like eighty percent of it, and 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.880 then somebody punched somebody in the face and like I'm like, 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.000 I did not ask for any of this stuff, or 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:07.240 right wingers talking about how Jesus would hypothetically Jesus would 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:12.600 be fighting trans people also, you know, and it's inferiating, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.760 Like I want to say, like, hey, that's a hypothetical 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.720 question about transfeable you made up to answer about Jesus, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.280 Like if I ask if Jesus was your cellmate in 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.960 a maximum security prison, would you tie his shoes or 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.360 something like. It's totally hypothetical, but it just it ties. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.400 It just taps into all this stuff. So Twitter is 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:34.319 objectively worse, and I'm more addicted to it right now, 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.120 Like I can't get off it, and so whatever they're doing, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.400 it's keeping me on Twitter. And so it's kind of 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.520 weird that I want there to be some like nice 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.600 I mean, it's it's hard, like what are we going 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.160 to think about communication right now? I just keep wondering 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.480 this because, on one hand, Twitter reaches a lot of people. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.240 It's it's more addictive than reading the New York Times. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.720 It's more addictant than reading the Atlantic. You can scroll 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.880 through and see stuff that either infury it's you, pushes 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.280 every button or justifies your thing. But the other thing 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.600 is it just has a kind of reach leading into 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.559 an election. So saying that I'm going to go on 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.040 Mastadon or Masticator or whatever the heck it is or 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.760 some other stuff and reach one hundred people like you 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.200 know Facebook used to do twenty years ago, it just 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.960 feels like it just feels like, Okay, that's great if 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.679 you want to talk to your friends, but right now, 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.760 considering what the issues are, you actually need big alliances, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.920 and so I don't see what the Remember when Must 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.839 took over, there was all this Oh, we're going to 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.920 go on all these alternatives and it's going to be 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.360 also great and stuff, and I just don't see that emerging. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.000 And so it increases the risk of Twitter and increases 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.240 the manipulation of Twitter as you go toward toward the election, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.160 but it also increases like the importance of Twitter because 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.280 there's no viable alternatives. So I don't know. I feel really, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.640 I feel really torn about this, Like I feel like 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.880 I'm very aware of these things, and I still get 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.800 I still get hooked. And I know. So I did 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.959 a podcast the other day and the interviewer was telling 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:10.120 me about research that showed that American polarizations started to 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.320 get worse in like twenty thirteen. Everybody started to get 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.120 a cellphone and stuff like that. Like I believe that's true. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.400 I believe that this thing is like the polarizing agent 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.720 of all time. It's being used against us, but I 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.560 don't know it's the same thing. Like I also then 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:30.240 get insomnia. I also then think about these images and think, like, oh, 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.840 do I you know, whatever, it's it's yeah, it works. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.760 But you're you're right, because there is something like the 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.360 other night I found myself which going against all of 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.000 the recommendations that I give to all of my listeners 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:48.160 and followers, which is, you know, there was a buzz 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.520 that came on my phone from the New York Times, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.000 right and it is a breaking news story that happened, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.480 you know, probably I think the student the story came 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.480 out at like nine forty five. I'm seeing it on 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.040 my phone at ten thirty, and then I'm on Twitter 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.080 until twelve thirty in the morning and couldn't stop, like, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.280 couldn't get off of it. Everybody seemed to still be awake, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.319 you know, who was on the East Coast at twelve 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.640 thirty in the morning. Ye kind of going through, you know, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.160 going through this story and I'm like, what is going on? 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:20.240 You know? 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:25.120 And it was like the feeling still that I had 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.560 during the Trump administration that you and I have talked 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.800 about so many times, which is that every time your 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.319 phone would go off with an alert, you're just waiting 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.240 for like breaking news. We've entered into World War three, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.920 breaking news, there's been like a nuclear assault, breaking news, 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:45.040 you know, somebody's been assassinated, Like you're just waiting for 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.920 the other shoe to drop. And what I realize is 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.840 that the other shoe is consistently dropping. It isn't just 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:56.959 one thing that we're waiting for. It's this steady drip 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:02.520 of horrific coverg right of like every single thing, and 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.600 just recognizing that all of it comes back to the 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.360 fact that there is no accountability, there's no responsibility. We 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.880 have these supreme and I put it in quotations, thinking 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.440 about the Supreme Court, these supreme entities that we've put 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.520 into place to police themselves, right, and then wonder why 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:26.239 there is erosion and corruption and corrosion of our systems. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.720 And so I just find myself at this place. You know, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.040 I am I'm being this is funny. I'm being honored 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.560 by my former high school. Yes, and I am being 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.680 asked to go and speak to a group of two 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.640 hundred and fifty nine through twelfth graders. Right. I love this, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.079 And I'm like, and I'm like, what am I going 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:56.520 to tell these teenagers who are inheriting literally a pile 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.040 of shit like I have nothing like I have. I 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.280 just I was stunned when they were just like, yeah, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.600 and we'd love for you to you know, calm into 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.320 you know, one of the periods and and and speak 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.920 to like the young people about your path and your journey. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.840 And I'm like, into Mayhaw, Well. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.080 Let's talk about that because I think, you know, on 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.640 one hand, you just did give the perfect tideline, which 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.160 is we keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.320 But it turns out there's no shortage of shoes in 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:26.200 the supply. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.920 Of shoes extre at DSW Yeah. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.600 Yeah, yeah, so like it is DSW ds W. The 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.760 shoes just going to keep dropping, you know, like I 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.920 love Lucy and those cakes on the conveyor belt, you know, 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.080 like that's that's those those are the shoes. But I 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.920 will say that it's you know, speaking to students. It 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.760 reminds me of remember that we've talked about it here, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.080 I think a little bit, but that that documentary about 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:56.360 Cambridge Analytica that came out like when things still felt 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.400 like we could fight it back against them. And the 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.480 whole idea of Cambridge Analytica is that they realized that 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.440 it wasn't that they had to convince people to vote 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.080 for a bad candidate. They had to convince people that 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.120 the system it meant that their vote didn't matter. And 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.320 so I do think that's an important message for students. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.600 I mean, that's I'm giving the Vanderbilt graduation speech for 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.440 my department next week and that's what I'll be talking about, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:24.400 which is that engagement is key because there's every force 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.120 in the world trying to get you not engaged and 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.360 it doesn't matter what you know. Hopefully, in school you 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.320 learn how to talk to people who are different than you. 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.760 It's one of the times in your life where you 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.480 really can't completely select your audience the way you can 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.440 as the older you get, yeah, and so you meet 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.280 people who are different than you. And so the importance 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.320 of school is learning how to talk to people who 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.960 are different than you and to fight against that Cambridge 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.600 Analytica narrative which tells you that your engagement doesn't matter 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.240 because that's what the system wants you to feel. And 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.960 so I think that's an important message because I don't know, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:03.480 we're seeing it right now in Ashville, where we had 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.520 thousands of students out for gun safety reform, and it 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.680 was an incredible a couple of days, and then the 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.680 system went right back to where it was. And so 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.760 there's in my own hometown right now, students are saying, look, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.480 we went out, we marched, we protested, and just last 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:26.680 week the Tennessee politicians passed a bill protecting gun manufacturers 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.480 from any liability. That's the only thing we did. And 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.320 so it just takes persistence right now, no matter what 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:34.720 side of this year on, it takes talking to a 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.360 little different to you than persistence. And I think that's 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.080 kind of what I mean. I think that's a message 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.440 for students. But again it's also coming from somebody who's 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.960 up until three in the morning, you know, watching just 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.280 waiting for like one dog tweet or one thing about 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.640 like cute little monkeys or any kangaroos or something. You know. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.640 Yeah, and I'll tell you this, so you know, this 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:05.440 is the feeling that I also started having around going 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.280 to my former high school, which is I haven't been 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.639 you know. I spoke at a private, uh a private 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.159 school on the Upper East Side probably like three or 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.399 four years ago. It was really you know, it was 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.199 really great. Was all girls private school, one of you know, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.000 one of the fancy elite ones, and it was it 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.359 was wonderful. And this is my first time in a 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.959 public high school, probably since I went to high school. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.040 And I was walking with my sister the other day 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.720 and I said, I am terrified to go to a 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.160 high school. I haven't been in one since there were 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.920 mass shootings. Like mass shootings are the norm, school shootings 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.560 are the norm. And she and my sister is a 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.720 teacher and at a at a middle school, and she's 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.880 just like, yeah, you just need to kind of put 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.800 it out of your mind, you know, and just you know, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.119 and just go. And my feeling, Jonathan, as I was 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.480 like grappling, as I'm grappling with this feeling of fear 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.600 of going into a public high school, is that like 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:13.480 I'm going in for forty five minutes. Once these kids 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:18.320 go in every single day, all day, how how are 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.720 they able to push past what I was starting to 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.680 feel like this paralytic fear of like, oh my god, 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.600 I'm going to be in this auditorium, like where are 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.800 the exits? Like I don't know what these active shooter 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:36.159 drills are like running through this fear that I have. 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.080 And I'm just like, and this is how we're sending 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.320 kids to school every day? 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.560 Yeah? And parents, I mean I see it in Nashville 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.640 parents think long and hard every day when they drop 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.320 their kids off to school. And there was a Okay, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.320 there was a great Twitter thread last week about a 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.480 parent at the school in Nashville who said, our school 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.280 did everything right. We had armed guards, we had a 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.240 gun policy, we had under the desk policy, locked door policy, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.240 every policy, and it's and it's still didn't do anything 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:12.800 because the shooter but seven guns legally in the two 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:17.879 weeks before the shooting, and so and there was no recourse. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.520 And so I just think it's you know, people kind 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.280 of laugh and say, oh, we're living in a war zone, 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:24.720 but we are kind of living in a war zone. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.879 People talk, People talk when they feel like they could 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.480 have their life threatened in daily interactions. This is just 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:37.440 kind of how it sounds. And so it's, uh, it's. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:42.640 Something I want to get your thoughts on this too. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.320 This past week, one of the stories that has been, 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.679 you know, going around is the surgeon in general, the 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:58.960 Deck Murphy, has come out and said that loneliness is 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:03.760 essentially killing right, that there is this deep seated feeling 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.280 of loneliness that was exasperated but was still on the 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:12.399 rise before COVID exasperated with COVID, and that this sense 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:17.880 of isolation and loneliness is affecting so many people, and 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.359 that while we are living at a time when we 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.159 can be on Twitter right and see people tweeting, you know, 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.160 until the wee hours of the morning, that we are 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:34.399 so disconnected and so isolated, and it is causing greater 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.240 instances of diabetes and heart disease and dementia and all 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.720 of these things. And I just wonder, Jonathan, about these 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:47.440 feelings that particularly young people have, right and are grappling 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.240 with the sense of fear, the lack of control because 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.680 they can't vote yet, right, and this sense of isolation, 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:01.359 and how we really discuss this kind of Quo Wyatt pandemic, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.080 that this quiet epidemic that has been infiltrating our society. 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:08.640 Well, I'll just add to that also, which is that 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:13.000 there are moves. You probably saw that GOP person who 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.119 in the donor meeting was talking about the main issue 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.199 for GOP going forward is suppressing the votes of the 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.600 h and to twenty one. Yeah, yeah, and so they're 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:29.199 also being targeted, you know, And so it's it's a 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.200 time for mobilization and action. And the other huge part 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.880 of this, it often doesn't get mentioned, are the economics them. 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.280 Rents are going up in New York. We're looking at 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:46.560 another rate increase. Screenwriters are on strikes, right. I just 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.280 keep thinking about the people in France actually who are 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.960 protesting about the It just seems so quaint by our standards, 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.720 But the idea that basically raising the retirement age is 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.600 something that people are kind of going to the to 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.719 the barricades about. But we live in a world where 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.920 the kind of old social contracts between workers and their 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.680 bodies and their lives and their employers is starting to 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.960 break down a little bit. And so not a little. 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:18.080 Bit, I mean, I mean in France, you know, they've 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.439 been in the streets for weeks at this point, for weeks. 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:24.800 They've been in the streets, much in the way that 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.520 the women of Iran have been in the streets for 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.280 for for months at this point. 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.560 No, but the thing is like there are these larger 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:42.199 factors about just what the global economy and infrastructure and 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:50.560 all these factors and and uh and and and and 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:56.600 and so I don't know, it's just it's a it's 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.960 a perilous time. It's it's a perilous time. Right, because 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.960 if there's going to be a recession coming, or if 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:05.920 you know, it's just it's. 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.440 It's I mean, someone argue we're already in h yeah. 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.200 Yeah yeah. So it's just disapp And I'm just saying 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.520 it's just a scary time for It's a scary time 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:15.280 for kids. 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.520 I mean, it's a scary time for I mean, we 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.960 started this conversation like, it's a scary time, just point 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.520 blank period. I And that's why I'm saying, I'm just like, 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:31.440 I find myself wanting to flee, wanting to research where 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.520 I can live abroad because I had this thought, you know, 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:39.600 my mother just celebrated a big birthday and I was like, 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.879 I don't know if I'm making it to that age. 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.520 And I was just like, and I if I do, 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:50.040 I don't know what America looks like five, ten, twenty 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:54.840 thirty years from now, and if America actually exists. And 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:59.240 I find myself having these conversations with friends on the air, 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.000 with PEA people, and it just seems like there's this 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:07.879 never ending existential threat. And Jonathan, I have to ask you, like, 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.520 has there been another time that I am missing that 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.399 we were all collectively going through something like this. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.320 Well, it feels like the lead up to World War 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.320 two again, not to be like a down or again, 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.520 but I just keep thinking of like nobody wanted Hitler 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:28.080 to get elected. Hitler was part of a failed party 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:33.040 that had very little support then and had not been 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.800 elected and had not been given power. And then there 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.800 was basically an economic crisis, and the Chancellor of Germany 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.920 all of a sudden made a deal with Hitler, which 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.840 trying to be a deal with the devil, but it 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.160 was kind of out of desperation, right, Fascism rises through 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:55.000 economic desperation, And so I do feel like, I mean, 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.640 and this is my own family history, so I'm very 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:04.159 attuned to this, but but I do feel like I 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.159 do feel like we're kind of leading up to it 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.600 just feels like that moment. It just feels like that moment. 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.240 And I don't know if that's going to be that come. 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.440 Maybe we'll learn from history, Maybe we're going to learn 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:19.000 and turn another, you know direction. I mean, I hopefully 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.800 that's that's what's going to happen, because it's not that 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.359 long ago. It's not that it's not that long ago 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.000 that all of this happened. But I guess I've been 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:30.000 thinking about it in light of this debt ceiling issue, honestly, 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.439 because everybody's like, oh, they'll never cause a default, and 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.240 they're never going to cause a default, and they're going 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.040