1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Long Island Bunker. 3 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times in the last few 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: months I have gotten on the microphone to talk about 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: a mass shooting event. I should probably start keeping score, 6 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: because last week, right, I was having, as many of 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: you know who follow me with having a bit of, 8 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, an existential crisis kind of day where I 9 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: needed to take myself out on a walk, do some stretching, 10 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: do some meditation and some breathing because I just can't 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: and take watching this country just spiral down the fucking 12 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: sewer dream. When I came back, I had tweeted out 13 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: so what did I miss while I was gone for 14 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: all of an hour? And what I had missed, of course, 15 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: was a mass shooting event that had happened in Atlanta 16 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: where the suspect was on the run who has now 17 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: since been caught after shooting up a medical facility, killing 18 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: one person and injuring for others. And you know, I am, 19 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: as you all know, have been home on Long Island, 20 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: visiting my family and just to get a breather right, 21 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: just to surround myself with a little bit more nature 22 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: ground myself, you know, with the you know, just being 23 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: around my family and ground myself, because I have the 24 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: tendency when I get too embedded and invested in the 25 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: news to just catastrophize. Right. But the thing is that 26 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm realizing is it's not a figment of my imagination. 27 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm not losing it, right, Like, it isn't normal 28 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: what we are experiencing every single fucking week. It's not normal. 29 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: It hasn't been normal since Donald Trump came down that escalator. 30 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: It hasn't like we have literally been experiencing trauma just 31 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. My mother is not, unlike everyone 32 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: else's mother, who has pretty much stopped watching the news. 33 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: She gets alerts on her phone like everybody else does, 34 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: and we'll read through some of them, but she has 35 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: stopped ingesting the news except when her youngest daughter is 36 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: on the news, because she can't stomach it, because it 37 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: makes her fearful to even want to leave her house 38 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: and then realizing that you're not even safe in your 39 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: own home, and that if she were to continue watching 40 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: the news at that rate, then she would never leave 41 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: and probably never leave her bed. And that's how I 42 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: feel most days. I'm not going to lie. It's why 43 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I have doubled down, tripled down in my meditation. It's 44 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: why I, you know, get outside each and every day 45 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: to just you know, see some smiling faces, take in 46 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: some fresh air, look at the sun, look at you know, 47 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: spring blooming all around me. To remind me that there 48 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: is good in you know, that there is good out there, 49 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: that that there is beauty. And I say this to 50 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: you all at the beginning of a new week because 51 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: I think that it is important. We are being inundated. 52 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: When Steve Bannon said flood the zone with shit, this 53 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: is what the fuck he was talking about. You know, 54 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: to just open the hose and spray everywhere mayhem, cruelty, disaster, misery, 55 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: anti semitism, racism, transphobia, homophobia, islamophobia, misogyny, you know, just 56 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: spread it everywhere, right to every nook and cranny, every crevice, 57 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: so that we lose hope, so that we are exhausted 58 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and lose the ability to fight back. So I say, 59 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: at the beginning of every week, right, we only get 60 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: pretty much like a day and a half to really relax. 61 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: If you really think about the weekend, that if you 62 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: are not making time each and every day for rest, hydration, joy, beauty. 63 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: You are helping them win. It is not winning to 64 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: be sitting in front of a screen, tweeting into the 65 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: late night, posting and watching every scrap of news that 66 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: you possibly can. That is how they win by making 67 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: us fear, our neighbors, fear going outside, shrinking our world. 68 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: It is more important than ever for you to stretch, 69 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: for you to make connections, real life connections with people 70 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: who don't think like you, who don't love like you, 71 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: to build community, write real life community as well as 72 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: online community, because that reality is harder to penetrate with disinformation. 73 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: So it is important now than ever to use your 74 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: rest and joy as resistance to build up that reservoir 75 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: so that you're able to move through the weeks which 76 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: are harder and harder to move through. So please take 77 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: that on at the beginning of each and every week 78 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: and check in with yourself, check in with your friends, 79 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: check in with your family to make sure they too 80 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: are keeping themselves and their energy safe. Coming up next, 81 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor 82 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever we have any 83 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to speak with our friend doctor Jonathan Mepzil. Each 84 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: and every week, I am always pleased. However, today I 85 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: am Jonathan. I need to stop going on the internet. 86 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: It is just wholly not good for my mental health 87 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: and wellbeing. As you can see, I'm with my family 88 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: on Long Island this week because I just needed a 89 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: break and I like to come out here and just 90 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: get a peace of mind. But this week I'm just 91 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter, which is just the dumpster fire, and 92 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: every single story that is sent to me, whether somebody 93 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: dms me or I see it in the timeline, is 94 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: like one horrible shooting story after the next, one horrible 95 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: story about like, you know, a BLM protester that drove 96 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: into a crowd didn't get jail time. You know, she's 97 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: getting like five hours of community service. The Supreme courtus 98 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: completely and totally corrupt, and apparently has been since the 99 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: two thousand elections, are probably before. And I just wondered 100 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: these days, Jonathan, like one, how you're keeping your wits 101 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: about you? Because I'm really fine. I am back to 102 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: a place where I am meditating multiple times a day, 103 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: not going for multiple walks. I'm doing everything that I 104 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: possibly can to stay sane and it doesn't seem to 105 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: be working. 106 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: Well, let me first give some objective reassurance that you're 107 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: not responding to nothing. In other words, I just think 108 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: objectively and scientifically, everything sucks, and so yeah, and so 109 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: I just think the issues that we're facing right now, 110 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: on one hand, are very are very real issues, and 111 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: so I don't want to negate the fact that you know, 112 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: there's this idea oh everybody, and it's weird because like, 113 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, tell me how you feel. I feel 114 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: in a way, Like, on one hand, Twitter is so 115 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 2: much worse, Like you go on now and my feed 116 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: is either black people committing crimes and getting away with 117 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: it like that that's like eighty percent of it, and 118 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: then somebody punched somebody in the face and like I'm like, 119 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: I did not ask for any of this stuff, or 120 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: right wingers talking about how Jesus would hypothetically Jesus would 121 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: be fighting trans people also, you know, and it's inferiating, 122 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: Like I want to say, like, hey, that's a hypothetical 123 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: question about transfeable you made up to answer about Jesus, 124 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: Like if I ask if Jesus was your cellmate in 125 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: a maximum security prison, would you tie his shoes or 126 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: something like. It's totally hypothetical, but it just it ties. 127 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: It just taps into all this stuff. So Twitter is 128 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: objectively worse, and I'm more addicted to it right now, 129 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: Like I can't get off it, and so whatever they're doing, 130 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: it's keeping me on Twitter. And so it's kind of 131 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: weird that I want there to be some like nice 132 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's hard, like what are we going 133 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: to think about communication right now? I just keep wondering 134 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: this because, on one hand, Twitter reaches a lot of people. 135 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: It's it's more addictive than reading the New York Times. 136 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: It's more addictant than reading the Atlantic. You can scroll 137 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: through and see stuff that either infury it's you, pushes 138 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: every button or justifies your thing. But the other thing 139 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: is it just has a kind of reach leading into 140 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: an election. So saying that I'm going to go on 141 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: Mastadon or Masticator or whatever the heck it is or 142 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: some other stuff and reach one hundred people like you 143 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: know Facebook used to do twenty years ago, it just 144 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: feels like it just feels like, Okay, that's great if 145 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: you want to talk to your friends, but right now, 146 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: considering what the issues are, you actually need big alliances, 147 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: and so I don't see what the Remember when Must 148 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: took over, there was all this Oh, we're going to 149 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: go on all these alternatives and it's going to be 150 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: also great and stuff, and I just don't see that emerging. 151 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: And so it increases the risk of Twitter and increases 152 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: the manipulation of Twitter as you go toward toward the election, 153 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: but it also increases like the importance of Twitter because 154 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: there's no viable alternatives. So I don't know. I feel really, 155 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: I feel really torn about this, Like I feel like 156 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: I'm very aware of these things, and I still get 157 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: I still get hooked. And I know. So I did 158 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 2: a podcast the other day and the interviewer was telling 159 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: me about research that showed that American polarizations started to 160 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: get worse in like twenty thirteen. Everybody started to get 161 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: a cellphone and stuff like that. Like I believe that's true. 162 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: I believe that this thing is like the polarizing agent 163 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 2: of all time. It's being used against us, but I 164 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: don't know it's the same thing. Like I also then 165 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: get insomnia. I also then think about these images and think, like, oh, 166 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: do I you know, whatever, it's it's yeah, it works. 167 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: But you're you're right, because there is something like the 168 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: other night I found myself which going against all of 169 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: the recommendations that I give to all of my listeners 170 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: and followers, which is, you know, there was a buzz 171 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: that came on my phone from the New York Times, 172 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: right and it is a breaking news story that happened, 173 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, probably I think the student the story came 174 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: out at like nine forty five. I'm seeing it on 175 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: my phone at ten thirty, and then I'm on Twitter 176 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: until twelve thirty in the morning and couldn't stop, like, 177 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: couldn't get off of it. Everybody seemed to still be awake, 178 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: you know, who was on the East Coast at twelve 179 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. Ye kind of going through, you know, 180 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: going through this story and I'm like, what is going on? 181 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: You know? 182 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: And it was like the feeling still that I had 183 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: during the Trump administration that you and I have talked 184 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: about so many times, which is that every time your 185 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: phone would go off with an alert, you're just waiting 186 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: for like breaking news. We've entered into World War three, 187 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: breaking news, there's been like a nuclear assault, breaking news, 188 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, somebody's been assassinated, Like you're just waiting for 189 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: the other shoe to drop. And what I realize is 190 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: that the other shoe is consistently dropping. It isn't just 191 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: one thing that we're waiting for. It's this steady drip 192 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: of horrific coverg right of like every single thing, and 193 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: just recognizing that all of it comes back to the 194 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: fact that there is no accountability, there's no responsibility. We 195 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: have these supreme and I put it in quotations, thinking 196 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: about the Supreme Court, these supreme entities that we've put 197 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: into place to police themselves, right, and then wonder why 198 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,239 Speaker 1: there is erosion and corruption and corrosion of our systems. 199 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: And so I just find myself at this place. You know, 200 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: I am I'm being this is funny. I'm being honored 201 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: by my former high school. Yes, and I am being 202 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: asked to go and speak to a group of two 203 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine through twelfth graders. Right. I love this, 204 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I'm like, what am I going 205 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: to tell these teenagers who are inheriting literally a pile 206 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: of shit like I have nothing like I have. I 207 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: just I was stunned when they were just like, yeah, 208 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: and we'd love for you to you know, calm into 209 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, one of the periods and and and speak 210 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: to like the young people about your path and your journey. 211 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, into Mayhaw, Well. 212 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that because I think, you know, on 213 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: one hand, you just did give the perfect tideline, which 214 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: is we keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. 215 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: But it turns out there's no shortage of shoes in 216 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: the supply. 217 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Of shoes extre at DSW Yeah. 218 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so like it is DSW ds W. The 219 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: shoes just going to keep dropping, you know, like I 220 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: love Lucy and those cakes on the conveyor belt, you know, 221 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: like that's that's those those are the shoes. But I 222 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: will say that it's you know, speaking to students. It 223 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: reminds me of remember that we've talked about it here, 224 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: I think a little bit, but that that documentary about 225 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: Cambridge Analytica that came out like when things still felt 226 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: like we could fight it back against them. And the 227 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: whole idea of Cambridge Analytica is that they realized that 228 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: it wasn't that they had to convince people to vote 229 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: for a bad candidate. They had to convince people that 230 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: the system it meant that their vote didn't matter. And 231 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: so I do think that's an important message for students. 232 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's I'm giving the Vanderbilt graduation speech for 233 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: my department next week and that's what I'll be talking about, 234 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: which is that engagement is key because there's every force 235 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: in the world trying to get you not engaged and 236 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you know. Hopefully, in school you 237 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: learn how to talk to people who are different than you. 238 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: It's one of the times in your life where you 239 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: really can't completely select your audience the way you can 240 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: as the older you get, yeah, and so you meet 241 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: people who are different than you. And so the importance 242 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: of school is learning how to talk to people who 243 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: are different than you and to fight against that Cambridge 244 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: Analytica narrative which tells you that your engagement doesn't matter 245 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: because that's what the system wants you to feel. And 246 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: so I think that's an important message because I don't know, 247 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: we're seeing it right now in Ashville, where we had 248 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: thousands of students out for gun safety reform, and it 249 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: was an incredible a couple of days, and then the 250 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: system went right back to where it was. And so 251 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: there's in my own hometown right now, students are saying, look, 252 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: we went out, we marched, we protested, and just last 253 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: week the Tennessee politicians passed a bill protecting gun manufacturers 254 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: from any liability. That's the only thing we did. And 255 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: so it just takes persistence right now, no matter what 256 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: side of this year on, it takes talking to a 257 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: little different to you than persistence. And I think that's 258 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: kind of what I mean. I think that's a message 259 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: for students. But again it's also coming from somebody who's 260 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: up until three in the morning, you know, watching just 261 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: waiting for like one dog tweet or one thing about 262 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: like cute little monkeys or any kangaroos or something. You know. 263 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you this, so you know, this 264 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: is the feeling that I also started having around going 265 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: to my former high school, which is I haven't been 266 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: you know. I spoke at a private, uh a private 267 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: school on the Upper East Side probably like three or 268 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: four years ago. It was really you know, it was 269 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: really great. Was all girls private school, one of you know, 270 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: one of the fancy elite ones, and it was it 271 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: was wonderful. And this is my first time in a 272 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 1: public high school, probably since I went to high school. 273 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: And I was walking with my sister the other day 274 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: and I said, I am terrified to go to a 275 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: high school. I haven't been in one since there were 276 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: mass shootings. Like mass shootings are the norm, school shootings 277 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: are the norm. And she and my sister is a 278 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: teacher and at a at a middle school, and she's 279 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you just need to kind of put 280 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: it out of your mind, you know, and just you know, 281 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: and just go. And my feeling, Jonathan, as I was 282 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: like grappling, as I'm grappling with this feeling of fear 283 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: of going into a public high school, is that like 284 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm going in for forty five minutes. Once these kids 285 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: go in every single day, all day, how how are 286 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: they able to push past what I was starting to 287 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: feel like this paralytic fear of like, oh my god, 288 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to be in this auditorium, like where are 289 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: the exits? Like I don't know what these active shooter 290 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: drills are like running through this fear that I have. 291 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, and this is how we're sending 292 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: kids to school every day? 293 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? And parents, I mean I see it in Nashville 294 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: parents think long and hard every day when they drop 295 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: their kids off to school. And there was a Okay, 296 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: there was a great Twitter thread last week about a 297 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: parent at the school in Nashville who said, our school 298 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: did everything right. We had armed guards, we had a 299 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: gun policy, we had under the desk policy, locked door policy, 300 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: every policy, and it's and it's still didn't do anything 301 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: because the shooter but seven guns legally in the two 302 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: weeks before the shooting, and so and there was no recourse. 303 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: And so I just think it's you know, people kind 304 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: of laugh and say, oh, we're living in a war zone, 305 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: but we are kind of living in a war zone. 306 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: People talk, People talk when they feel like they could 307 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: have their life threatened in daily interactions. This is just 308 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: kind of how it sounds. And so it's, uh, it's. 309 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: Something I want to get your thoughts on this too. 310 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: This past week, one of the stories that has been, 311 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: you know, going around is the surgeon in general, the 312 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: Deck Murphy, has come out and said that loneliness is 313 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: essentially killing right, that there is this deep seated feeling 314 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: of loneliness that was exasperated but was still on the 315 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: rise before COVID exasperated with COVID, and that this sense 316 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: of isolation and loneliness is affecting so many people, and 317 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: that while we are living at a time when we 318 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: can be on Twitter right and see people tweeting, you know, 319 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: until the wee hours of the morning, that we are 320 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: so disconnected and so isolated, and it is causing greater 321 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: instances of diabetes and heart disease and dementia and all 322 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: of these things. And I just wonder, Jonathan, about these 323 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: feelings that particularly young people have, right and are grappling 324 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: with the sense of fear, the lack of control because 325 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: they can't vote yet, right, and this sense of isolation, 326 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: and how we really discuss this kind of Quo Wyatt pandemic, 327 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: that this quiet epidemic that has been infiltrating our society. 328 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'll just add to that also, which is that 329 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: there are moves. You probably saw that GOP person who 330 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: in the donor meeting was talking about the main issue 331 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: for GOP going forward is suppressing the votes of the 332 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: h and to twenty one. Yeah, yeah, and so they're 333 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 2: also being targeted, you know, And so it's it's a 334 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: time for mobilization and action. And the other huge part 335 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: of this, it often doesn't get mentioned, are the economics them. 336 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: Rents are going up in New York. We're looking at 337 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: another rate increase. Screenwriters are on strikes, right. I just 338 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: keep thinking about the people in France actually who are 339 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: protesting about the It just seems so quaint by our standards, 340 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: But the idea that basically raising the retirement age is 341 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: something that people are kind of going to the to 342 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 2: the barricades about. But we live in a world where 343 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: the kind of old social contracts between workers and their 344 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: bodies and their lives and their employers is starting to 345 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: break down a little bit. And so not a little. 346 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: Bit, I mean, I mean in France, you know, they've 347 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: been in the streets for weeks at this point, for weeks. 348 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: They've been in the streets, much in the way that 349 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: the women of Iran have been in the streets for 350 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: for for months at this point. 351 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: No, but the thing is like there are these larger 352 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 2: factors about just what the global economy and infrastructure and 353 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: all these factors and and uh and and and and 354 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: and so I don't know, it's just it's a it's 355 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: a perilous time. It's it's a perilous time. Right, because 356 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: if there's going to be a recession coming, or if 357 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's just it's. 358 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: It's I mean, someone argue we're already in h yeah. 359 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So it's just disapp And I'm just saying 360 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: it's just a scary time for It's a scary time 361 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: for kids. 362 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a scary time for I mean, we 363 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: started this conversation like, it's a scary time, just point 364 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: blank period. I And that's why I'm saying, I'm just like, 365 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: I find myself wanting to flee, wanting to research where 366 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: I can live abroad because I had this thought, you know, 367 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: my mother just celebrated a big birthday and I was like, 368 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm making it to that age. 369 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: And I was just like, and I if I do, 370 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what America looks like five, ten, twenty 371 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: thirty years from now, and if America actually exists. And 372 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: I find myself having these conversations with friends on the air, 373 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: with PEA people, and it just seems like there's this 374 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: never ending existential threat. And Jonathan, I have to ask you, like, 375 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: has there been another time that I am missing that 376 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: we were all collectively going through something like this. 377 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: Well, it feels like the lead up to World War 378 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: two again, not to be like a down or again, 379 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: but I just keep thinking of like nobody wanted Hitler 380 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: to get elected. Hitler was part of a failed party 381 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: that had very little support then and had not been 382 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: elected and had not been given power. And then there 383 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: was basically an economic crisis, and the Chancellor of Germany 384 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden made a deal with Hitler, which 385 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: trying to be a deal with the devil, but it 386 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: was kind of out of desperation, right, Fascism rises through 387 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: economic desperation, And so I do feel like, I mean, 388 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: and this is my own family history, so I'm very 389 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: attuned to this, but but I do feel like I 390 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: do feel like we're kind of leading up to it 391 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: just feels like that moment. It just feels like that moment. 392 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's going to be that come. 393 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll learn from history, Maybe we're going to learn 394 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: and turn another, you know direction. I mean, I hopefully 395 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: that's that's what's going to happen, because it's not that 396 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: long ago. It's not that it's not that long ago 397 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: that all of this happened. But I guess I've been 398 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: thinking about it in light of this debt ceiling issue, honestly, 399 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: because everybody's like, oh, they'll never cause a default, and 400 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: they're never going to cause a default, and they're going 401 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: to negotiate, and at the end of the day, the 402 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: economy matters. But I do think history shows us that, 403 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: like fascism rises out of the kinds of conditions that 404 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: would be created if we default on our debt. And 405 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: so it's not like automatically they're just going to rush to, oh, 406 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: let's find a middle ground or something, which they would 407 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: normally do during a regular economy. So again, we're going 408 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: it's a very dark theatory right now. But I do 409 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: think that there are historical correlates, and I think we 410 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 2: should look at those historical corelates to figure out how 411 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: we can change course again, because the really the economy is, 412 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: it's just such a key player in all of this, 413 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: and it's not it's not just like, oh, let's boost 414 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: the American economy. It's like the American economy doing poorly 415 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: serve some people's interests. 416 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this closing question of our 417 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: existential conversation today, which is, you know, what would changing 418 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: course look like, because obviously we're not a country that 419 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: is a student of history, right, We erase history, we 420 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: whitewash history, We create heroes where there were none, and 421 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: fantasy where to fill in the blanks of the horrific. 422 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: So if we were if a course shift were to 423 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: begin to happen, what does that even look like in 424 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: your mind? 425 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: Well, remember how we thought everything was going to fall 426 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: apart in the world before the midterms, and then people 427 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: really got their act together. It was like the last 428 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: vestige of representative democracy. People really mobilized, They beat gearmandering, 429 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: they beat expectations. And even though we're seeing right now 430 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: the catastrophic effects of a GOP Congress, imagine what this 431 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: would have been like if they were controlling the Senate 432 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: also right now, which is what people were expecting. And 433 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: Democrats were kind of resigned to that. And so I 434 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: think we learned from the midterm that we don't that 435 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: the dire predictions don't have to come true if people 436 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: can mobilize it against this feeling of against this feeling 437 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: of helplessness, and your vote doesn't matter and all those 438 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: factors and I and the stakes are obviously going to 439 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: be much higher in twenty twenty four, and the resistance 440 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: is going to be much greater. But I do think 441 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: that that really is the lesson is the lesson is 442 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: the lesson of the midterm. 443 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: All right, Jonathan, Today we will leave it here as 444 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: we both go back into the sewer of Twitter. When 445 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: when we get off to you know, make sure we 446 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: see every single shoe that drops on a daily basis. 447 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, well, are you gonna are you 448 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: gonna tweet your address to the students that could be positive? 449 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: No? 450 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: I mean I will say on Twitter the one thing 451 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: I love our videos of Panda's falling off of exercise balls, 452 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: Like so you know, if you want to, you know, 453 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: that's it. If I could just get that on my feet, 454 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: I'd be rich for her. 455 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: So when we all, as always, dear friend, we appreciate 456 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: you making the time to join. 457 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: Wok F take care everybody. 458 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on woke 459 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: F as always, power to the people and to all 460 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.