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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 2: You Did.

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Speaker 3: My name is Millie Na Cheriko.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Henderson, and we are here with you yet

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Speaker 2: again to talk about films around the world.

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Speaker 3: Not so we are, but around the world. Oh. I

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Speaker 3: didn't know that. Yes, I mean like in general, not today.

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Speaker 3: I see.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm like wait what I was like, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the films of our lives, films.

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Speaker 3: Around the world. I wanted I want people to understand

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Speaker 3: like the the scope.

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Speaker 2: Of what we do here, and I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: just decided to use that language today.

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Speaker 1: No, you're but you're right, we're very We're a wide

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Speaker 1: reaching podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. How how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm by the way, I have to say it, I'm

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Speaker 2: caffeinated as fuck.

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Speaker 1: S same okay, good, good, same. I honestly, I truly

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to change. I've tried for

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks and I just automatically show

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Speaker 1: up here with coffee. Yes, and it's morning and it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this I think that we should be establishing

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Speaker 2: a baseline of enthusiasm and this.

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Speaker 3: Will be it.

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Speaker 2: Multiple coffees, I've already had like a full lass morning.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I woke up a ley and went

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Speaker 2: to an estate sale. Oh oh yeah, did you score anything?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Part of me was that, so I love going to

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Speaker 2: state sales. I'm one of those antique lady types. And

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Speaker 2: I went to an estate sale because it was in

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Speaker 2: this particular neighborhood here in Atlanta that is essentially like

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Speaker 2: it's kind of two things. It's primarily a Jewish community,

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Speaker 2: and it's also mid century Modern. And so I was

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Speaker 2: like on this website, you know, looking at all the

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Speaker 2: estate sales for the weekend, and I was.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh shit, it's going to be in that neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: And it was everything I wanted in more. All the

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Speaker 2: I went into this estate and it was like sixties.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was like unbelievable morning. Whoa that is?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly how to do in estate sale too. You

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Speaker 1: plan the neighborhood, yes, and then you go. I used

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Speaker 1: Like state sales are wild because people open their houses

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Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't know, my grandma died and

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Speaker 2: I know, and like it's it's it's this. There's a

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Speaker 2: because that is ultimately like kind of what's most fascinating

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is like a perfect intersection of

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Speaker 3: Know, telling being a morning person is the shit. It is.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you into this old lady lifestyle like

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I'm I'm not like a teen despite what

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Speaker 3: I wake up at a respectable.

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Speaker 3: Your own father read and for pill. He read me

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Speaker 3: for filled for sure. But yeah, you wake up respect

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Speaker 3: yeah yeah, but not your hour. You wake up at

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Speaker 1: I wake up around five am every day? And what

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Speaker 1: I've done everything, like I'm for the day. So anything

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Speaker 3: This is much better for me. For me, yeah, I remember.

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Speaker 2: We I think we talked about this on a real

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Speaker 3: You wake up super early, like the city is yours,

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Speaker 3: Like you can.

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Speaker 2: Yes, front row parking at Target, you can like eat

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Speaker 2: No, it's so it's it's so fun to wake up early.

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Speaker 2: Now I can't imagine, because I'm like you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did not go to bed before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was physical mayhem.

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Speaker 1: That's insane, And I think it's because we we kind

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Speaker 1: any given point. So if you're like, oh shit, that

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Speaker 1: You get to be more wily back in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to talk about another kind of surprise

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Speaker 2: if you if you don't mind, can I have the

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Speaker 2: floor brief because I really want to talk to you

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Speaker 2: about this. I've been sitting on this topic for weeks,

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Speaker 2: if not months, and I have been thinking about it

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Speaker 3: And I figured you're the best person to do.

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Speaker 1: This, truly lay it on me. I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: So I have been watching a lot of TV. I

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Speaker 2: watch a lot of movies, obviously, but mostly TV, and

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Speaker 2: you know a lot, we talk a lot about TV

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Speaker 2: shows we're watching. We just talked about how much we

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Speaker 2: love the Righteous Gemstones, and that's that's that's part of

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Speaker 2: what I'm about to discuss with you. We'll probably bring

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Speaker 2: this show up. But there's something I noticed about TV

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Speaker 3: Have you noticed that.

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Speaker 1: I have noticed that as well. It is jarring every time.

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Speaker 1: Yet I don't know who made this decision, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not mad at it necessarily. It is just truly dick dixtravaganza.

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Speaker 2: Yes we I I will say, I think that we

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Speaker 2: are in the midst of a donaissance.

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Speaker 1: Ah and here here, here's why I can't carry on afterassans.

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Speaker 3: I can't do it. We are in a dong renaissance

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Speaker 3: or a donaissance. And here's why.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I want to I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: same age, okay. When when we were growing up, of course,

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Speaker 2: there was nudity on TV, like on the hbos and

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Speaker 2: the cinemaxes and stuff, right, but it was always female

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Speaker 2: rated our films to you, like shows on Cinemax, Showtime, HBO.

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Speaker 3: It was topless women.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like standard and does not even matter the film.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to our mutual friend Sarah this week,

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Speaker 3: All women are naked all the time.

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Speaker 2: Women are naked all the time, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: at certain points it would move into like bottom half

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Speaker 3: But when I was growing up.

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Speaker 2: And I think when you were growing up, you never

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Speaker 2: saw dix unless it was a straight up porn right, Oh,

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Speaker 2: dick was verbotin, yes. And I was like, I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I always thought that if I saw Dick, it was

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Speaker 2: oh my god, it's a porn because there's a dick,

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Speaker 2: a simple dick just showing in the background.

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Speaker 3: It's a porn. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So what I think is interesting about right now is

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Speaker 2: that there's just dicks everywhere, like, and I will say,

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Speaker 2: it's like a lot of it is on HBO because

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Speaker 2: you have I mean, first of all, when I saw

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Speaker 2: the first season of Euphoria.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was like, oh shit, and they made history

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Speaker 1: by showing the most dicks on TV in a consecutive moment.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they showed like one hundred dicks. Yeah, they showed

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Speaker 2: tons of dicks. And then I read I read that,

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Speaker 2: and I read some kind of interview with Danny McBride

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Speaker 2: I'm not coming at this from like a horny lady perspective, No, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeo, the indignity of having to make up family members, pets, boyfriends, husbands, girlfriends.

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Speaker 1: He was looking around my garage and like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: Fucking I mean, Listen. I know that you're you've created

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Speaker 3: Oh God, it's true, it's true.

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Speaker 1: I fucking po there. This is now as a palace

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Speaker 3: In this nation.

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Speaker 1: And I'm having I'm fucking engraved because I have absolutely

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Speaker 1: The guy who came to measure for my countertops was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: imagine if you walked into this guy's unfinished garage delivery

438
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 2: drywall and you just like walked around the joint being like,

439
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 2: you know what, be fucking cool in here is a

440
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: fucking cat cafe, right like.

441
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: Ah, this would be a great fucking pussy hole or whatever,

442
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: a man.

443
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 3: Cake pussy hole.

444
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 2: Listen, I know that people have created this she shed

445
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: to combat the fucking man cave. I mean, I just

446
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: man caves are like, what the fuck is a man cave?

447
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: I want a man cave honestly, like I would realy

448
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: man cave.

449
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 3: But it's like, why is it this? It's like this

450
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: like situation where.

451
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: It's like, God, I gotta fucking find a place where

452
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: I can get away from all these fucking mag and

453
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: women in my life.

454
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: And I want to be in my wife and children

455
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 3: I still love and care for.

456
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: I want a fucking cooler to be in my love seats.

457
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: No, I we need to stop.

458
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: This is how you know that straight people are not Okay,

459
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: we need to stop gendering rooms, for the love of

460
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: fucking God. Unless we can counter the man cave with

461
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: a pussy hole because she shed doesn't do.

462
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: It for me. She shed is clunky. I don't like.

463
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 3: I don't like saying it. I'm like, we get a shed.

464
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Also, it indicates that it's like outside the house, Like

465
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: a shed is outside the fucking house. I want my

466
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: space inside the house.

467
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: That I am living in.

468
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: So no, we either call it a pussy hole or

469
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: we get rid of all fucking gendered rooms.

470
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: What if the entire house was the pussy hole, and

471
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: then the man cave was the cral space right underneath

472
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: the where the gophers hang out, and that absolute cave.

473
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: This is this is one. What's happening. My whole house

474
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: is the pussy hole. And the dilapidated barn that I'm

475
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna refurbish, that can be your fucking man.

476
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: Cave, except call like the raccoon bathroom because that's what

477
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: it actually is, and uh.

478
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: The gopher gut. Like yeah, I'm gonna absolutely once my

479
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: house is done, if any man has to come here

480
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: for any reason, I'm going to be like, go to

481
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: the fucking gopher gut raccoon bathroom, make all your deliveries there.

482
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: Don't fucking talk to me. God damn had its Listen.

483
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: Uh, I am again incredibly sorry that you are constantly

484
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: being disrespected in your own home. I want you to

485
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: write a book about all this, because honestly, I feel

486
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 2: like this is like this is probably happening to so

487
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: many single women who are like moving into their own homes.

488
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously that's like a thing that people are experiencing.

489
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: Is that this like this constant like, oh, you don't

490
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: know what the fuck you're doing, and why did you

491
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: undertake this like financial investment? You definitely need my advice

492
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: every single fucking second, you know, And I'm just like,

493
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: it's disrespectful, man, And like, listen, you out there buying

494
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: a nail gun. Okay, you're no, this is you aren't

495
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: sitting there like uh being passive.

496
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: Hell no, I have an air compressor now, Like I'm

497
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: ready to fucking go. And I think in the larger sense,

498
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: because this is like, yes, this is happening in my

499
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: house and it's annoying. In the larger sense, I want

500
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: to reach a point in this world where men realize

501
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: that their opinion is not valid or necessary in every

502
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: single fucking situation. Right, I don't need to hear it

503
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: if I ask you, you can tell me don't volunteer

504
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: your shit as if you're some great fucking oracle of

505
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: Delphi and I can't get through the day without hearing

506
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: what you have to fucking say about something. Shut your

507
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: damn mouths. Just if men shut up for five minutes

508
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: a day, I feel like we could achieve world peace.

509
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: I swear like I would little, I would read volumes

510
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: of books about this and your and your whole perspective.

511
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: So not that you need another job, but I'm just

512
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: saying that, like I I live for this because it's fascinating,

513
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: like it's it's it's fascinating you're in this very unique position. Again,

514
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of a lot of women

515
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: are probably in your position right owning homes for the

516
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: first time by themselves, and I'm sure a lot of

517
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: them have trouble vocalizing this shit like they're just like

518
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm intimidated by men and I can't

519
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: stand up for myself and they just come in here

520
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: and fucking like you know, put me down and make

521
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: me feel like shit. And I just love the house rule.

522
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: I'll go to things remembered with you. I got a

523
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: few things I could get I could get like a

524
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: fucking graved frame and do a couple of things, and

525
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: we'll get this shit in brass on a plaque.

526
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what, you know. Pick out the wood.

527
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a little speaker next to it so

528
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: that as soon as someone pulls up to my house,

529
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start playing Ride the Lightning my Metallica, read

530
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: the rule, listen to the music, or like for Whom

531
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: the Bell Tolls or something like, I'm just gonna play

532
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: some fucking intense music as soon as they pull up,

533
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: press play and be like, maybe you shut your mouth,

534
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: and if they don't shut up, I'll keep turning up

535
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: the volume. Oh, I can't hear you. What I can't

536
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: hear you?

537
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: But it is it. It's infuriating.

538
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I just want I think I have been very passive

539
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: myself for the past few years and trying so hard

540
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: to create the world I want to live in by

541
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: being more open to hearing, you know, and when it

542
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: comes to at least the gender debates, to you know,

543
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily open to hearing bullshit, but I've tried

544
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, maybe walk softly, carry a

545
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: big stick. Ah h ah, that ain't doing it right now.

546
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 1: I'm in full, all day, every day, twenty four to

547
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: seven beast mode. And that's the world I want to

548
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: live in, where women will speak up for themselves and

549
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: say what they got to say and stop being intimidated

550
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: by these fucking chumps. Because guess what, I don't care

551
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: if you deliver dry wall to Derek Jeter, that doesn't

552
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: give you permission to tell me what.

553
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: To do with my fucking house.

554
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: I mean, if you delivered drywall to Harry's Styles, I'd

555
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: be like, all right, I'll take a listen. But Derek Jeter,

556
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: I mean not that that is at all relevant to

557
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: the topic at hand, but it's also like, yeah, I

558
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: love a failed flex.

559
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: It makes me laugh.

560
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm swatting them down now. I'm just swatting them down.

561
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: I can't anymore.

562
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: Well, I gotta say, between the Donaissance and the pussy Hole,

563
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: I hope my mom and dad aren't listening, just gonna

564
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: throw that out.

565
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: They are, they are, and I hope that they're not

566
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: very supportive.

567
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: But also they're gonna have to They're gonna have to

568
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: put the little e that shows up on the podcast up.

569
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to make that like seven fucking inches,

570
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: like they're just gonna have to make it show up

571
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: all over your phone.

572
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: When you do, you need to.

573
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: We need to replace our podcast image with just a

574
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: big explicit E. Also, if it helps, I'm one who

575
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: brought up all this horrible language, So I apologize to

576
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: mister and missus de Cherco.

577
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: Now I listen, I was the first person to utter

578
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: the Donissan said. They're like, what did we do wrong?

579
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: As paris what happened here?

580
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: Well, something tells me that this is not going to

581
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: calm down when we get into our films, because.

582
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: Hell no, it will not.

583
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell them what our theme is

584
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: this week?

585
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: Yes, now, we got a little holiday coming up.

586
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: We knew this when we did this theme again, a

587
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: title that comes from the brilliant mind of Daniel Henderson.

588
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: The theme this week, in celebration of Mother's Day, is

589
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: called kids will Fuck your Shit Up.

590
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: Yes, your life, your body, your mind, Happy Mother's Day,

591
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Kids will fuck your shit up? And this is not

592
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: news to mothers.

593
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: This is not news. It sure isn't.

594
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: So yes, like, listen, I swear I think that when

595
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: we were like pitching a bunch of themes. We came

596
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: up with this like entire slew of episodes about fucking

597
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: how kids are evil, uh like like children murdering kids,

598
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: kids will fuck your shit up, and we were like,

599
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: we gotta space this out a little bit.

600
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: So it's such a deep bench. Movies hate children.

601
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 2: But look, I don't have kids, have never birthed a child,

602
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: but I love kids.

603
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: I actually love them.

604
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my two nephews are the lights of my life.

605
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: And guess what, I kind of grew in the life

606
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: and other people's kids too. That's weird for me to say.

607
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: It used to be that I only liked my own kind, right,

608
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just want my nephews around, but

609
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't want your kids around. Now I'm kind of like, actually,

610
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: some of my friends have cool kids, not gonna lie,

611
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: and maybe that.

612
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: Means that I just generally like them.

613
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: So I don't want anybody to think that you know,

614
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: I'm being negative when I say kids will fuck your

615
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: shit up. They will, though, they will fuck your shit up.

616
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: And also I'm okay if you think I'm negative about it.

617
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: I have a whole essay in a book called Selfish, Shallow,

618
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: and self Absorbed about people who never wanted to have children,

619
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: And there is an essay in that book about this

620
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: exact thing where people who don't want kids are always

621
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: the next thing out of their mouth is always, but

622
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: I like kids, Like we have to justify it somehow.

623
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: Sure I do like a lot of kids, though, I mean,

624
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: you know, like like I have some friends that whose

625
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: babies are wonderful, who have really cool kids that are

626
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: like creative and smart and outdoorsy.

627
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: Those are those kids are great.

628
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: But I do think it is that thing where it

629
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: is seen as a huge negative if you're a woman

630
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: and you a don't want to have them, but be

631
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: don't like them, and that's kind of fucked up.

632
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: Right exactly.

633
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's very clear to me that we, you know,

634
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: as a culture, we have a lot of ways to

635
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: make parents feel good about their choice to have children,

636
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: and I just wish that people who chose not to

637
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: have children were given the same kind of space.

638
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever wanted them, Like, I don't

639
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: think I ever did, and I just I don't know,

640
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: I just kind of felt that throughout my life, and

641
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: there was like a there was maybe a moment like

642
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: when my nephews were born that.

643
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: I thought, huh, I did not do that.

644
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: That's interesting, But there wasn't a need for me, Like

645
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: I didn't feel it within me, and I just I

646
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: just had other things to do.

647
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: I guess, but I like them. But guess what these

648
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: two movies will make you be, like why do kids exist?

649
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: And why are they evil?

650
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: Because Yo, these kids in these movies are real pieces

651
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: of work, I have to.

652
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Say, like Hall of Fame pieces of work.

653
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: And let me just tell you, I have not seen

654
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: your movie since it came out, and I'm sitting here

655
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: watching this movie being like somebody's gonna have to push

656
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: her off of a hill.

657
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: Or a cliff or something.

658
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry about that, but like this, she's worried so

659
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: much havoc, this little this little bitch.

660
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: This is this is what I fucking mean.

661
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I I remember when I remember when my movie came

662
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: out and people lost their shit.

663
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: They were loving it like it was a big deal movie.

664
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: It was a big deal movie for me for a

665
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: completely different reason, which is that nobody was talking about

666
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: this little hellion.

667
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: Who ruined most live Like wait, why are.

668
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: You focused on like the love story this and that

669
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: this little motherfucker does not need to be revered. Yes, oh,

670
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk about movie. But we're gonna

671
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: get to your movie first.

672
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I can't wait talk about your movie

673
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: because I have several points i'd like to bring up,

674
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: and I hope you bring them before me, and I

675
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: know you probably will.

676
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, let's my movie. I'm going first this week.

677
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 2: This is an oldie but goody when it comes to

678
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: these shitty ass kids.

679
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: An oldie but goodie, a real shitty kids classic.

680
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: So my movie for the theme, kids will Fuck Your

681
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: Shit Up is a movie from nineteen fifty five. The

682
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: screenplay was written by Peggy Thompson, but it came from

683
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: an original story by Edna ell Lee and Harry Lee,

684
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: directed by Douglas Sirk.

685
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: And it's called All that Heaven Allows. This mother, somebody

686
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: in this family's got to think straight, and you don't

687
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 3: think I can.

688
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: You see he is a good looking set of muscles.

689
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: Why mean all that Heaven Allows?

690
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: I must admit it's one of my favorite movies of

691
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: all time, made by one of my all time favorite directors,

692
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: Douglas Cirk. And you know, if you're not familiar with

693
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: Douglas Cirk, he is essentially the King of the nineteen

694
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: fifties melodrama, which is one of my favorite places in

695
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: cinema space and time like that era. I'm a huge

696
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: fan of like a fifties melodrama.

697
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: And just a.

698
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Little about Douglas Cirk if you will. He was German

699
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: born and he came to Hollywood basically to flee the

700
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: Nazis because his wife was Jewish.

701
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 3: And you know, he made a lot.

702
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Of different types of movies in his career, but he's

703
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: definitely best known for these fifties melodramas, which sometimes were

704
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: called women's pictures quote unquote, or even weepies.

705
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: Or some other fucking pejorative term for.

706
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: Like that was like the worst brand of cereal ever created?

707
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: Weepees, did you this morning? That's if you lost the

708
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: race and you have to eat cereal and the and

709
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: the and the person on the cover is that like

710
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: Mary lou Red.

711
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: It's like whoever lost to Mary Lwatten? Like somebody's like

712
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: no metals.

713
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm crying, I meting my weepees instead of my wheaties.

714
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: Well look these weepees, if you will, was They were

715
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: very very popular in like a post World War two America, right,

716
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: I think we all know a little bit about history.

717
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: And the thing about the Cirque movies though, is that

718
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: they were visually stunning, Like if you saw this movie

719
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: before you listen to the podcast, you know this because

720
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: all of his movies in this era very fifties color palette, vibrant.

721
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: The shots that he uses are very composed. The locations

722
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: are usually in suburbia, but they have like a lot

723
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: of natural elements too, so like snow and trees and birds.

724
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: I mean it sounds like they filmed all these movies

725
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: in fucking Warwick, New York, is.

726
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: What I was thinking.

727
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: This idyllic little town. God damn it.

728
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: Yes, and it was. It was that was like a

729
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: huge part of the vibe of these circ movies.

730
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is that these movies had

731
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: kind of the same tropes.

732
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: I mean, they were.

733
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: Appealing to women in this era, right, so there's a

734
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: lot of the same shit going on. There's like these

735
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: MOVI movies are typically about the family, a lot of

736
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: dead spouses, a lot of dramatic illnesses, and it's always

737
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: like there's gossip in these small towns and a lot

738
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: of like class bas or race based scandal type stuff,

739
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: sexual repression and you.

740
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 3: Know, so you name it.

741
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: It was just like these are these very like dramatic,

742
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: you know, kind of soap opry type things.

743
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: Right.

744
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: But subsequently, like through the years, these movies were being

745
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: re examined by filmmakers and by viewers, and they became

746
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: highly influential. And now Douglas Cirk is in the fiber

747
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: of pretty much every.

748
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: Gay director in Hollywood.

749
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you have he's in the movies of Maldovar,

750
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: Pedro Maldivar, Todd Haynes, uh Fastbender, John Waters. I mean,

751
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 2: he's he's kind of ubiquitous. And you know, here's the thing,

752
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: Like I love these movies because I'm fascinated by the

753
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: gendered nature of them, do you know what I'm saying?

754
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and some.

755
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: Of them were like very secretly subversive. I feel like

756
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: the circ movies were a little secretly subversive.

757
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: And I just love too how these new directors lack

758
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: em Aldovar, like Todd Haynes, you know, do these kind

759
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: of like revisionist spins.

760
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: On the melodrama.

761
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: I just love them, just love them, love them, love

762
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: them and dig into cirque if you haven't. There's a

763
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: lot of great movies that he did, but a one

764
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: sentence synopsis of all that Heaven allows.

765
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Oh? I'm ready?

766
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Okay, a suburban widow cannot have five seconds of fucking

767
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: happiness because literally everybody in her life except maybe her doctor,

768
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: wants her to stay lonely and miserable until she dies.

769
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: That's it. Nail on the head, that is it. That's it.

770
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: They don't want this woman to live from jump. They

771
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: don't want he jump. It gets go real fast.

772
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: But you know, I love and like I said, I mean, listen,

773
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to not get emotional when I

774
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: talk about this movie because I feel so strongly about

775
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: what is being presented in this film. So the movie

776
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: is ostensibly about a woman named Carrie Scott, who is

777
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: played by the actress Jane Wyman, whom maybe kids of

778
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: the eighties will know. She's to be married to Ronald Reagan,

779
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: but she had a career before she married Ronald Reagan.

780
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying that Carrie Scott in this film,

781
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: she's a widow and she has two kids, both of

782
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: whom are I guess they're not living in the house

783
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: full time. I guess maybe like once away at college

784
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: and maybe the daughters in like a prep school scenario.

785
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: But they seem like they come home on the weekends, right.

786
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: Right, and they're both like older children.

787
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: Older older, Like the son seems like he's fucking forty

788
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: years old.

789
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: That's like another thing. Yeah, he's a fucking adult.

790
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: Like, they are not babies, they are fucking adults.

791
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so put a pin in that.

792
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: We'll get back to that later. But so they live,

793
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: of course, in this very perfect suburban town. And one

794
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: day Carrie is out talking to her gardener, and the

795
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: gardener is this man whose name is Ron Kirby, and

796
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: he is played by the actor Rock Hudson. Okay, and

797
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: we've talked about Rock Hudson before on this podcast was

798
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: we did seconds last year. But let me just tell

799
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 2: you right now, I cannot stress this enough. Okay, Rock

800
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: Hudson and all that Heaven allows, this might be his

801
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: most hunky. Yes, he is an absolute dream boat in every.

802
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 3: Way imaginable in this film.

803
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Like Ron Kirby is basically the archetype for like

804
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: every male Instagram influencer who's like rehabbing old barns with

805
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: his wife.

806
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: That is exactly what I was going to say, like

807
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: he is the proto Instagram guy with the hair bun

808
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: and the flannel turning a van into a house.

809
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, ron Kirby laid the foundation for all those

810
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: motherfuckers for sure. Like Ron Kirby is like this gentle giant.

811
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean he like lives in the woods. He's got

812
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: you know, his flannels, his hat, he has a wood

813
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 2: paneled station wagon. I mean, come on, people, and the

814
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: but the big thing about him is that he's like

815
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: very like sensitive and soulful, and he's into nature because.

816
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: He's a gardener.

817
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: And in this era, right, he would have been like

818
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: a bohemian I mean, like and this is I think

819
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: very important to this story because in this era of

820
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: American culture, he's a freak.

821
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: Like he's a freak, right, right.

822
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: And so the thing about Carrie is that she's so

823
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: indoctrinated in this like suburban housewife lifestyle, but she's intrigued

824
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: by this guy. And you know, she's again living on

825
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: her own. Her husband passed away, so she's kind of like, Okay,

826
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: what's going on with this guy. He's a little bit

827
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 2: younger than me, but you know, he's a beautiful soul

828
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: and maybe I should talk to him a little bit

829
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: more so. Cut to Carrie's kids coming home for the weekend,

830
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: and like, she's got, like I said, a son and

831
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: a daughter.

832
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: The son is named Ned, the daughter is named Kay,

833
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 3: And right.

834
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: Out the gate, they established themselves as the most annoying

835
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: kids on the planet.

836
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: Oh instantly, both of them in totally different ways. But

837
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: they are both very much not my people.

838
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Yes, Like the son Ned is classic finance bro Like,

839
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: he's just like a fucking annoying preppy guy. Their daughter

840
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: is like she attended like one psych one on one

841
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: class and now she's like I know everything about everybody.

842
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 2: It's like so fucking annoying. So already they're like, ugh,

843
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 2: all right. And the other thing too, is that they're

844
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: so nosy about their mom. They're just like asking her

845
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: about her love life, and everybody in town, including them,

846
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: seems to want to fix their mom up with this

847
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: old drip.

848
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: Really, Oh is this guy?

849
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, his name is Harvey, which is a perfect name

850
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: for a guy like this, right, and Harvey, like if

851
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: you know what Rock Hudson looked like in this era,

852
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Harvey could not be more of the polar opposite.

853
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: He is like a corn husk doll next to like

854
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: a surfer, like he's just so.

855
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Gross, yes, and like Carrie is not feeling him.

856
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: She feels no excitement for him.

857
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: But it's that thing where like everyone's like, but come on, Carrie,

858
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: your lonely, just get with this guy who fucking cares,

859
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: and you know, she's just like, ugh, I can't.

860
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: But yeah.

861
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: And one thing I can't stand that one of her

862
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: friends said very early on in the movie, as she's

863
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: trying to urge her to go out with Harvey, is

864
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: h well, you know, he's forty, so anything over eighteen

865
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: is too old. Like basically, take your chance while you can,

866
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: you old hag.

867
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Exactly like her best friend Sarah, who is played by

868
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: like the classic movie melodrama bff Agnes Moorehead. Yeah, she's basically, well,

869
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: come on, daland come to my pody. Bringing to Horvey.

870
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: He's delightful. You're you're gonna die by yourself, you know.

871
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: It's like everyone is like coercing her to date this

872
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: guy she doesn't want to fucking date, and it's depressing

873
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: as shit, right, And the other thing that is even

874
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: more depressing, and I find this very interesting, is that

875
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 2: everybody in.

876
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: Her life is also like trying to get her to

877
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: buy a television, yeah, because that's gonna cure loneliness, right,

878
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 3: And that's the crazy thing.

879
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't realize this, but maybe like in

880
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: this era, apparently a big selling point for the television

881
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: business was like, this will cure women's loneliness. You always

882
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: have someone nearby, right, always have somebody nearby, you're not working,

883
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: your husband's out, Like this is gonna, like, you know,

884
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: make you feel real nice, like you know women of

885
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: the fifties. And I'm like, damn, that is fucking crazy. Like,

886
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: so they're just everybody in her life and including because

887
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: trying to get her a fucking.

888
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: TV, which is so insulting.

889
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: And these are her choices a television or Harvey or Harvey.

890
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: It's like what wah?

891
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: Just the definition Ron comes back to the house at

892
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: some point and he's like, Hey, want to come to

893
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: a dinner party at my friend's house in the woods upstate,

894
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: And at first she's like should I? But then she's

895
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: like okay, So she goes to this party, and of

896
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: course it's the complete fucking opposite life, right.

897
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: It's this like.

898
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: Amazing party with his two friends and are a married

899
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: couple who were you know, basically like they decided to

900
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: like leave the suburban world and now they're just like

901
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: living in the woods with him, and you know, he's

902
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: got there's all these friends. There's like artists and bird

903
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: watchers and lobster men, and they're they're eating, they're drinking

904
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: wine and playing songs and everyone's dancing and like.

905
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: Wait, lobster men.

906
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: Yes, Like there's a guy that sells lobsters that comes

907
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: to the that.

908
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: I said, what are they called lobster fishermen, fish bongers?

909
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: Lobster bongers.

910
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh, but I like lobster man so much more now

911
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: because it sounds like like a creature lobstermen.

912
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: So the lobstermen comes to like it his family, you know.

913
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: But it's like this whole other like vibe and you know,

914
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: he's they're all like, get loose, Carrie, come on, like,

915
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: come on and drink some of this wine. Get on

916
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: the dance floor, girl, You're you're awesome. And she notices that,

917
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 2: like predictably, Ron is reading Walden or at least knows

918
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: about Walden's so he's like a transom dentalist.

919
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: And it's like that tracks but it's like all this.

920
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: Information and where she's just like, Wow, here's this like beautiful,

921
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: amazing guy that I literally never run across, Like I

922
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: never meet guys like this, And you know, predictably, they

923
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: start falling in love, they start hanging out a lot together,

924
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: and of course everybody in the fucking neighborhood back home

925
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: is like.

926
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: What the fuck.

927
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: He's like, he's younger than her, and it's like all

928
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: these different endpoints to why they can't handle this relationship.

929
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, totally and like and as much as

930
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: Carrie wants, and she's like starting to freak out a

931
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: little bit because, like, you know, they all the chatter,

932
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 2: all the fucking chatter, and here's the thing.

933
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: A lot of it is because he's poor. Yep right,

934
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: He's totally classed.

935
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a huge issue for these fucking movies.

936
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: It's like, I can't believe she's gonna like go slumming

937
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: it with this transom dentalist gardener. He ain't got any money.

938
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he fucking has his own business. He lives in

939
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful house, like it's she's like it's one room,

940
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: but you know he has a it's attached to a

941
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: greenhouse basically, and then he has this barn that he's

942
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: converting and he has like this beautiful life.

943
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's the thing. This is again another point

944
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: where I get I cannot get emotional.

945
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: About this, but like, basically her like he wants her

946
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: to move up there, so he wants to get married,

947
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: and he wants her to move up there because she's

948
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: living sensibly on her own, her kids are not living

949
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: there full time. But she's like, well, I can't because

950
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to. My kids grew up here, and

951
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, I want them to still have their house.

952
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: And I'm like, can't they get an apartment or something

953
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: like why do you need to keep this house? Like

954
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: I understand there's sentimental value at a certain point, but

955
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: also like again, the kids, they they play too much

956
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: in decision making. And I will get to that in

957
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: just a second, but so already on her mind, she's like,

958
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: I can't for these kids, right yep.

959
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: So here's where I'm starting.

960
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: To get real fucking upset about this shit, because these kids,

961
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: again are not babies, okay, And like I said, the

962
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: oldest son, he can get an apartment or live in

963
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: his front house, Okay.

964
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: So Eventually, Carrie works up the nerve.

965
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: To tell her kids, Hey, I'm Dayton Ron and not Harvey,

966
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: who you wanted me to be with so badly. And

967
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: these kids flip the fuck out lose their minds, the

968
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: Sun especially, and the pretty much the entire reason why

969
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 2: is because he's a fucking gardener.

970
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: That's the thing. The Sun is like, but he's a gardener. Well,

971
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: she raised these very.

972
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: Spoiled, entitled children, and now it's coming back to haunt her. Like, yes,

973
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: she raised these kids in this way, and as long

974
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: as they stay in that house and in that neighborhood,

975
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: they can get away with that shit. Yes, But when

976
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: they turn it on her, she's like, oh, I completely

977
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: fucked up, yes, like I raised some heartless ghouls.

978
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: Oh of course.

979
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: And it's like it's it pains me because like the

980
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: Sun is like pretty mean about it, Like he's like, oh, yeah, no,

981
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: you're not.

982
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 3: Gonna date this guy, and I'm like, excuse me, who

983
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 3: asked you? Okay, here's another thing.

984
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: Carrie at one point this like, hey, Ron, okay, if

985
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: we really want this to work out, like come come

986
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: to mice out of town. I want to take you

987
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: as party for my friends. And all these bitchy ass

988
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: neighbors are waiting for them to show up because they're like, oh,

989
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this shit show, okay, and you

990
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: want And when they walk in, you're like, you're like

991
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: watching this party. Like all these fucking husbands look like shit,

992
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: all the husbands of this community. They're just like these dowe,

993
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: boring office guys with their like mustaches. Ron Carrie are

994
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: really trying really hard to stay this relationship, but you know,

995
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: Carrie is just like buckling under this pressure. And you know,

996
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: Ned is starting to use like real like nuclear options,

997
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, like he's basically like like Ron comes to

998
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: the house to meet the kids, and Ned is straight up.

999
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: Like, you know, you're shitting on our dad and.

1000
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 2: You took his trophy down and you don't fucking remember him,

1001
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: and it's just like.

1002
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 3: A low blow, right.

1003
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: And there's also talk in the town that because Ron

1004
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: has been the gardener for the house for so long

1005
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: because his father owned the business and he's worked with him.

1006
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: Now there's rumors going around that perhaps she had an

1007
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: affair with Ron while her husband was alive.

1008
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: Yes, because Sarah or whomever I think it's Sarah workshops

1009
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: this entire scenario where it's like, yeah, so if people

1010
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: see you with him, then they're gonna think that you

1011
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: were cheating on him when your husband was alive and

1012
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: blah blah, blah blah. And I'm like, Okay, why don't

1013
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: you not say any of that because it ain't fucking true.

1014
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: But now you're like, oh, here's a perfect story, a

1015
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: scandal at a box.

1016
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: Here you go and you know, but the kids.

1017
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: Are like really fucking against it. Like Kay comes home

1018
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 2: crying because she's like, she's doing this thing. It's like, well,

1019
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: all the kids at school are talking about how you're

1020
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: dating this young poor guy and it's affecting my relationship

1021
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: with my boyfriend and we almost have to break up

1022
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: because I'm so stressed out about you. And I'm just like,

1023
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: they're just both both Kay and Ned using every guilt

1024
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: trip in the book to make their mom break up

1025
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: with this guy that she really wants to be with.

1026
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: And wouldn't you know, eventually the pressure gets to carry

1027
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: and she dumps Ron. And here is what really fucking

1028
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 2: sends me over the edge about these two little dipshits,

1029
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: these kids.

1030
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: Okay, Carrie dumps Ron.

1031
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: Then she calls Ned at school and it's like, hey,

1032
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: look I dumped Ron.

1033
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: It sucks and Ned is just like okay, cool, I

1034
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 3: gotta go buy. Yeah.

1035
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: She's like, are you coming home for the holidays and

1036
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we'll be there maybe maybe.

1037
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1038
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: Carrie goes to the train station to wait for them

1039
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: like she always does, and they don't even come home.

1040
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: And then the next time they see her, it's like

1041
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: around Christmas time, two things happen.

1042
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: One k reveals that she's getting married to my boyfriend.

1043
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: And then Ned states that he's gonna move to fucking France.

1044
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: And that they should sell.

1045
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: The house because it's too much for his mom to

1046
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: take care of living by herself.

1047
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: This part threw me into such a tantrum. I could

1048
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: not believe it. I'm like, she gave up a great love,

1049
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: a great relationship because you didn't want to get rid

1050
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: of this fucking house. Everything they told her to do,

1051
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: like don't get rid of our house and you have

1052
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: to be here for us, And now they are marrying

1053
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: people and leaving the country exactly and exactly.

1054
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: She didn't follow that for nothing. And the true.

1055
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: Cherry on top of this shit, fucking Sunday for Carrie

1056
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: Scott is that for Christmas, those kids get her a

1057
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: fucking TV.

1058
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: Ah, and you're just like.

1059
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: I have dissociated, and I swear like these kids are

1060
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: going down. I don't know how we're gonna have to

1061
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: get a sniper in France.

1062
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how this is gonna happen. Like I

1063
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 3: will say this.

1064
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna give away the end of the movie,

1065
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,959
Speaker 2: even though predictably, I mean, this movie is so old,

1066
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: but predictably there's a very Hollywood ending and I think

1067
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: you might know it does involve Ron falling down an embankment.

1068
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: I'll just say that because you gotta have some drama

1069
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: in there, right there might be like a coma situation.

1070
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know how it's gonna go. It's truly

1071
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: the best, the best hits of the melodrama tropes. But

1072
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: like ire the last there was three four phrases that

1073
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: I wrote at the end of my notes that have

1074
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: kind of turned into a poem for me, and I'd

1075
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: like to share those with you. Worst Christmas ever, Fuck

1076
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: them kids, med, fuck off, they get her a TV

1077
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: eat shit kids, op Dan that that was the last

1078
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: four lines of my notes for this week.

1079
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: I think that is a brilliant summation of the film.

1080
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: Shit Kids.

1081
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: Ah, It's true, these kids were infuriating throughout. And this

1082
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: is to speak to the larger theme of this era,

1083
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: where this movie points out something that was very true

1084
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: for most of society is that women and widows, like

1085
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: unmarried women and widows, they would rather have them sit

1086
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: in a house and die rather than date someone outside

1087
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: of their social class or try anything different or do

1088
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: anything that was socially unacceptable. And all the socially unacceptable

1089
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: rules were completely arbitrary and class based and racist and horrible,

1090
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: and they pushed what they were. They were genuinely telling

1091
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: women like we would rather you would just die than

1092
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: find love again.

1093
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how you know her happiness like other people

1094
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: like determining her happiness for her, and it's like all

1095
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: based on her economic status and her like you know,

1096
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: it's respectability, politics and shit, and it's just sort of

1097
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: like depressing as hell, Like from a modern lens, you're

1098
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: looking at that and being like goddamn, Like, how do

1099
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: how do the women deal with it? I guess that's

1100
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: that's why the seventies happened or whatever, But it's like

1101
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: really a lot.

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01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: It's also a huge issue where I feel like it's

1103
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: it speaks to the sacrifice that mothers in particular are

1104
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: supposed to make for their children. Like I was watching

1105
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: this movie and I'm like, how much is going to

1106
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: be enough for these motherfucking kids? Yeah, Like when is

1107
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: it going to be enough? How much does she have

1108
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: to give them of herself and deny herself for their comfort? Right?

1109
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: Will it ever be enough? And the answer is no?

1110
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: So I think it's a delicate balance, Like you have

1111
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: to figure that out as a parent, you know, like

1112
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: what you know, what kind of sacrifices you're willing to

1113
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: make or able to make. But at a certain point

1114
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: do you not get to reclaim yourself again? You're right, Oh,

1115
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: it drove me wild. It drove me absolutely bonkers watching

1116
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: this movie.

1117
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and listen, uh, we're having a lot of

1118
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: fun with this at this movie obviously, But there's I

1119
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: mean there's obvious, like very interesting implications of the story, right,

1120
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: and it's been written about a lot.

1121
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: So I would just encourage people.

1122
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: To like go on the internet and search for like

1123
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: academic writing about this movie.

1124
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: But the circ movies and melodrama.

1125
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: I've got like five books on my shelves about melodrama

1126
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: movies from the fifties.

1127
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed.

1128
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, for

1129
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: this theme, I'm like, these kids are fucking some people's

1130
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: lives up, and you know, and hopefully at the end,

1131
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: you know, without giving away the ending, maybe the maybe

1132
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: Carrie has the last laugh.

1133
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: But in the moment of the films, these kids.

1134
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: Suck so bad, and I'm just I'm like screaming at them,

1135
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: and I just thought it would be like a good

1136
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: pick for the theme. But I do love this movie, legit.

1137
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: But I also love hating the kids in this movie.

1138
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: It's like my favorite, my favorite evil kids pretty much

1139
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: of all time.

1140
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: It's a great pick. It is a great pick.

1141
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: Well talking about evil kids.

1142
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Oh hell, okay my movie, And I'm just gonna tell

1143
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: you now, I am going to spoil the ending of

1144
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: this movie because I have to in order to get

1145
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: to the crux of why I chose it for this theme.

1146
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 3: Thank God. So my film for the theme.

1147
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: Of kids will Fuck Your Shit Up was released in

1148
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, directed by Joe Wright. The screenplay

1149
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: was written by Christopher Hampton, but it is based on

1150
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: a novel by Ian McEwan and my movie is Atonement.

1151
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 3: You sure, yes, I see him. I know it was him.

1152
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: You know it was him. I stow him with my

1153
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: own eyes.

1154
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: I have so much to say about this fucking movie,

1155
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: but we'll start with the one sentenced synopsis. And it

1156
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: was hard for me to pick because I have two sentences.

1157
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: I'll read you, the one that I went with, I'll

1158
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: read you the one that I was going to go with. Okay,

1159
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: So my one sentence synopsis of a tone is too

1160
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: much trauma in one day can cause kids to make

1161
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: life alteringly horrible decisions. Yes. Now, my other one sentence

1162
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: synopsis was going to be never trust a privileged kid

1163
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: who had those realistic plastic animals.

1164
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: God damn, Life's too good. Life's too good. Life is

1165
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: so fucking good.

1166
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: I am going to start by explaining who the players are,

1167
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: who the characters are, Okay, because the way that this

1168
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: movie unfolds is that there's kind of one day that

1169
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: changes everything for all of these characters' lives, and it's

1170
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: told in a very back and forth kind of way,

1171
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: So we're in one perspective and then we're in another,

1172
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: and then we're like, it's told in an interesting visual language.

1173
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: But the characters that we have are Briany who's played

1174
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: by Sir Sharonan and she plays this thirteen year old,

1175
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: little precocious kid, her sister Cecilia, who's played by Kira Knightley.

1176
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: Then we have Robbie, the housekeeper's son, who's played by

1177
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: James McAvoy. And Robbie Ryany's family put Robbie through school,

1178
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: like through Cambridge, so he has been part of this

1179
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: family for a very long time and is the same

1180
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: age as Cecilia, and actually went to Cambridge with Cecilia,

1181
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: but she pretended that she didn't know him while they

1182
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: were there.

1183
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 3: Yikes.

1184
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: And then you have Paul Marshall played by Benedict Cumberbatch,

1185
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: and he is and I'm not fucking with you, a

1186
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: chocolate millionaire.

1187
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 3: How many of them are in the world.

1188
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: That Cadbury's lady.

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01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't even know who makes Cadbury's if it's a lady,

1191
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: if it's a family.

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01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: Thought he was in this movie, by the way, I

1193
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: am completely forgotten because at that time he wasn't huge.

1194
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: We didn't know Bennett Cumberbatch, right.

1195
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: No, he had not rocked our worlds yet and I

1196
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: adore him as an actor. I think he's fantastic and

1197
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: he is a real motherfucker in this movie. And he

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: is also a chocolate millionaire. I just don't want anyone

1199
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: to forget that.

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01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 3: What a fucking title to have.

1201
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start calling myself that and see what

1202
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: people say.

1203
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: They'll be like, is this a race thing? Is she's black?

1204
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: I am urging you to stop recording so you can

1205
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: change the bio on your Instagram.

1206
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 3: Right now, Chocolate Millionaire.

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01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: So this, this movie kicks off with this one day

1208
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: that changes everything, and the events of the day is

1209
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: that Briany's cousins are Visy Lola, and these two little

1210
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: twin boys are visiting because their parents are kind of fighting,

1211
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: they were going through a divorce and they're just they

1212
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: hate being there, but they are there. So Briany is

1213
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: writing a play for them to perform in because Paul Marshall,

1214
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,439
Speaker 1: the Chocolate Millionaire, is coming back to visit with their

1215
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: older brother, and so they're kind of just going to

1216
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: throw a party, like they're gonna fet him during that evening.

1217
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: So Briany is scandalized in two distinct ways, and the

1218
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: first pivotal scene is when she's writing her play and

1219
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: her cousins aren't into it, and she looks out the

1220
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: window and she sees her sister, Cecilia, jumping out of

1221
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: a fountain in her slip right in front of Robbie,

1222
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: who Brianny has.

1223
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 3: A huge crush on.

1224
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: It is revealed that Brianny has a huge crush on him,

1225
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: then Cecilia, and then you kind of go back in

1226
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: time and you see the reason that Cecilia was in

1227
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: the fountain is that they were kind of, you know,

1228
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: talking and joking around. He broke a vase and she

1229
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: was very upset about it, so she had to dive

1230
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: in to retrieve it and try to fix it. But

1231
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: when she gets out, it is like full murking on display.

1232
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: Like she Brian is scandalized because she's like, I am

1233
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: seeing my sister's whole body in front of a man,

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01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: which in this day and age doesn't happen because this

1235
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: is a movie that takes place around World War One.

1236
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this.

1237
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm just curious what you thought so before they reveal

1238
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: what's actually going on, did you have a sense of

1239
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: what was happening before you knew, like when you were

1240
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: like looking through Brianny's eyes, were you looking at that

1241
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: scenario going the fuck is going on here?

1242
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 3: Why?

1243
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1244
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: In the fountain?

1245
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's completely set up to be that way

1246
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: that you're like, what is actually happening here? And what's

1247
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: wild though, is from Kira Knightley stands from Cecilia's stance,

1248
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like anything untowards is happening. She's standing

1249
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: there very very powerfully, you know, and like Robbie's the

1250
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: one who should be So it doesn't seem like there

1251
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: was any danger there.

1252
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think because I had been a

1253
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: long time obviously since I've seen this movie, and that

1254
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: part came up and I was like, oh yeah, I

1255
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: forgot that.

1256
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 3: This is like one of the pivotal moments.

1257
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it seems like to me, I was like,

1258
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 2: is she trying to get him to come into the

1259
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 2: fountain have a little swim with her? And he's like,

1260
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: get away for me, don't push me in this fountain,

1261
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 2: like I don't want to get wet because I'm going

1262
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 2: to my friend's house later.

1263
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 3: And she's just like, come on, you a big nerd,

1264
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 3: like get in here.

1265
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: So I was kind of like, I think it's kind

1266
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: of like what I thought was happening. Yes, So when

1267
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: it's revealed that Brian he thought it was so salacious

1268
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: and scandalous, it's like, oh shit, okay, I guess.

1269
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 3: And that's a child's mind.

1270
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: That's a thirteen year old, sheltered child's mind, right that

1271
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: she was like, this is a guy I have a

1272
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: crush on. My sister's standing in front of him practically naked.

1273
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: There has to be something.

1274
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: Bad happening here, right, right.

1275
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: And the other thing that happens is that Robbie goes

1276
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: home after this because he's, you know again, his mom's

1277
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: a housekeeper. He kind of works at the property, and

1278
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: he goes home to type this letter of apology to Cecilia,

1279
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: and he first is just typing and trying to be sincere,

1280
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: and then you know, he does the thing where he rips.

1281
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 3: The paper out and is like, now that's not right.

1282
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: Then he very jokingly and while he is typing, smiling

1283
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: and laughing, writes something incredibly salacious about Cecilia and it

1284
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: involves the word cunt. And then he does the same thing.

1285
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: He rips the paper out, sends it on the desk,

1286
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: and then writes her an actual apology letter by hand,

1287
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: like typing isn't doing it. So he's just kind of

1288
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: flexing is a little bit. He's kind of you know,

1289
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: laughing at himself, and like, you know, he really because

1290
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: what's being revealed here also is that he is very

1291
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: into Cecilia, Like Cecilia and Robbie actually really like each

1292
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: other or into each other, and so this scene definitely

1293
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: helps us understand that. But it also gives us a

1294
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: sense of like his sense of humor and how jovial

1295
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: he is, and like again, this is a timeframe where

1296
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: you don't say these things about anyone, especially someone you love.

1297
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: I know, I was kind of like, na, Robbie, why

1298
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: did you have to write the joke letter the joke letter? Like, oh,

1299
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. There could be a switcher room coming up.

1300
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: Don't write the joke letter right now. Write it later.

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01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: Even if you just like crumple it up and throw

1302
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: it in the waistpin, someone can still see it.

1303
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 3: Robbie. No, just keep the jokes in your head. Man.

1304
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: Well he doesn't, and shit pops off. What happens is

1305
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: he gets in his little tuxedo and gets ready to

1306
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: go to the party and he's walking down the lane

1307
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: and he sees Briany and he gives her the letter

1308
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: to give to Cecilia. Briany takes off with it. She's

1309
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: like son, like the fucking hedgehog. She runs home with

1310
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: this letter and then.

1311
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 3: She reads it. She reads it.

1312
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: She takes it out of the envelope and reads it,

1313
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: and she is scandalized because she is reading the word hunt.

1314
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: So she has had a day where first she sees

1315
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: her sister half naked in front of her crush and

1316
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: now she's reading him writing a letter to her about

1317
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: what he wants to do to Herbagina. So Briany is

1318
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: short fucking circuiting. At this point, she goes and tells

1319
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: her cousin Lola, all about it like this letter. And

1320
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: Lola is played by Juno Temple. And I did not

1321
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,719
Speaker 1: mean to pick two movies this month that had Juno Temple,

1322
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: but Juno Temple was also the daughter in Notes on

1323
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: a Scandal. Ah.

1324
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1325
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: So Briani goes and tells Lola and they decide that

1326
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: Robbie is a sex pest. He is a sexual maniac,

1327
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: a sex maniac, like instantly like, oh my god, he's

1328
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: a sex maniac. We better watch our shit around this guy.

1329
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: Then she does give the letter to Cecilia opened and

1330
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: Cecilia is like, wait, whoa did you read this?

1331
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 3: And Brian need his leaves. It's like what, God damn

1332
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 3: that has some little sister ass shit? Am I right?

1333
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: Would do she like that to me all the time,

1334
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 2: like she was exactly always getting my Sorry if you're listening, Stephanie,

1335
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm calling you out right now.

1336
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: She was just opening my mail.

1337
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: She would sometimes like pick up the phone while I

1338
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 2: was talking on the phone and then listen on another

1339
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: phone and then you can hear go, I'm like.

1340
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm not there.

1341
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: All I'm doing is talking about going to get pizza

1342
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: with my friends. Like it's not like a scandalous thing,

1343
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: but like little sister shit like opening my mail. I

1344
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 2: was already like rany.

1345
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: Uh uh, like co completely and then she just leaves.

1346
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: She doesn't even like talk it through. She leaves like.

1347
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: She couldn't hear bye yeah bye, dirty bitch, Like she's

1348
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: like shit, she she puts both of them instantly in

1349
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: this category of like sexual devians. God. So then the

1350
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: party happens and it's a party for the chocolate millionaire

1351
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: poul and.

1352
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 3: I can't laugh.

1353
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: And the third and the third and final moment that

1354
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: pushes Briany completely over the fucking edge is that she

1355
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: sees Robbie and Cecilia having sex in the library and

1356
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 1: it is like up against the wall, hot and dirty

1357
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: sex and she stands there and watches. But there's no

1358
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: time to be scandalized because the twins, her cousins, the

1359
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: twin boys, have run away. So during the search, you know,

1360
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: everyone's searching. Briany again scandalized, traumatizes, had a rough fucking day.

1361
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 3: This is the worst day of her life. She's thirteen.

1362
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: During the search, she's off on her own and she

1363
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: flashes upon Lola, who was getting raped by a man

1364
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: in a tuxedo. They're like in the field by a pond,

1365
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: like in the woods, and Lola, who was also looking

1366
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: for her brothers, is being raped and all Briany sees

1367
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: as a man in a tuxedo. But guess what, all

1368
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: of the men are in tuxedos, right, And then the

1369
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: man runs away when he hears Briany.

1370
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 3: So everyone's kind of catering to, you.

1371
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: Know, taking care of Lola, and Briany like the little

1372
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: traumatized snitch she is tells everyone it was Robbie that

1373
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: raped Lola.

1374
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 3: I'm just curious, from your perspective, made what did Why

1375
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 3: do you.

1376
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: Think she actually said it was Robbie. Do you think

1377
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 2: it had something to do with like just her anger

1378
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 2: of the situation, or was she just like, like, why

1379
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: do you think.

1380
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: That that happened?

1381
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: I think that she was very hurt by seeing Robbie

1382
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: and her sister together and realizing that they were developing

1383
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: a relationship, right. And I also think that she wanted

1384
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: to kind of get back at him. And she's thirteen

1385
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: years old, so she knew what would happen if she

1386
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: made this accusation. And that is something that made me

1387
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: think of this movie instantly when we said kids will

1388
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: fuck your shit up, because this wasn't an innocent kid

1389
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: doing an innocent act. She comes from a very moneyed

1390
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: and classed based background, so she knew exactly what would

1391
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 1: happen if she accused the housekeeper son of a sexual act,

1392
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: right or sexual assault? Right. So I think she truly

1393
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: was so hurt that he had rejected her because she's thirteen, Yeah,

1394
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: that she wanted to make his life a living hell.

1395
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Yeah, I just I was I really

1396
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you that.

1397
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 3: That's yeah interesting.

1398
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially because while she's telling everyone that it

1399
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: was Robbie, and everyone's like, are you sure?

1400
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: Are you sure it was Robbie, Like you.

1401
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: Saw his face, it was Robbie, and she didn't see

1402
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: anybody's face. Right then she doubles down and gives her

1403
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: mom the letter as some kind of proof.

1404
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1405
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: So Robbie, who has actually just been out looking for

1406
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: the twins, still comes back with the kids. He finds them,

1407
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, cool, everything's great. I helped find the kids.

1408
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm a hero. Comes back and gets arrested. Yeah, And

1409
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 1: Cecilia is like devastated, and he is arrested and thrown

1410
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: in the back of a car. His mom's freaking out,

1411
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: like everyone cannot believe what is happening. And it is

1412
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: all happening because Briany had her thirteen year old feelings hurt.

1413
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 3: By a crush.

1414
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to be generous about that, Like

1415
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: I want to be generous and be like, oh, I know,

1416
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: I remember what it was like to be thirteen and

1417
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, to have those feelings. But I can't I

1418
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:19,879
Speaker 1: can't imagine doing something that dastardly yeah, even at that age.

1419
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: Well, and this is like I think too to this

1420
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 2: point exactly the part of the movie which I'm not

1421
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 2: sure if you were going to talk about this, but

1422
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: the part where it's a flashback to this scene with

1423
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: Briany and Robbie and she jumps into the lake or

1424
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 2: the pond, yes, and Robbie basically has to save her life.

1425
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: And it was just kind of this like devotion test. Yeah,

1426
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: something that's like that scene when you think about like

1427
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 2: what's happening with this with this character, like in that

1428
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: way that you just spoke about, Like it does make

1429
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 2: me think that this shit is like like pretty.

1430
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 3: Evil because I'm like, yes, she knows, like she knows

1431
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 3: what's going on, and she absolutely knows.

1432
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: And when he does when she does that, when she

1433
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: jumps into this pond and has to be saved by him,

1434
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: he's pissed. He's like, you're an idiot, little kid, I

1435
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: have work to do. You could have actually died, and

1436
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: you did this on purpose, and he's pissed about it.

1437
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: So she absolutely knows that this is what's going on here.

1438
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know we you just mentioned notes

1439
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: on a scandal, but it's that thing from that movie,

1440
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 2: of that moment of like somebody is just so upset

1441
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 2: that their love is not requited or whatever that they're

1442
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: just like pulling these really shitty tricks and it has

1443
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: this massive effect on the rest of you know, her

1444
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: her life, but also the life of her family and

1445
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 2: people that she knows so.

1446
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely and what and this is where I'm gonna get

1447
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about the end of this movie because

1448
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: I have to. What ends up happening then is we

1449
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: cut to Robbie has been sent and sent to jail,

1450
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: but four years later he's in France fighting in the war,

1451
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: and he tells one of his you know, fellow soldiers

1452
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: that they let you out of prison if you sign

1453
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: up for the army, So that's the only reason he's

1454
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: out is to fight. He also sees Cecilia before he leaves,

1455
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: and she's a nurse now and hasn't spoken to her

1456
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: family in years. The wild thing is that Briany is

1457
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: also a nurse, and she's still a writer. She's still

1458
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, writing and typing at night and doing her thing,

1459
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: but she's a nurse. So there's a moment in this

1460
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: film where you say, is this her atonement for everything

1461
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: she did to these, to her family and to her sister,

1462
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: like becoming a nurse and following in her footsteps and

1463
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: trying her best to help other people. Is this her

1464
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: atonement for what she did? And it's not, but we'll

1465
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: get there. So then we cut to Robbie at war

1466
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: and Robbie having a real fuck of a time at war.

1467
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: He's seeing fields of dead kids. Orses are being shot

1468
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: in the head in front of him, big old ships

1469
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: are abandoned on the beach like. He is not having

1470
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: a good time of it. And Briany is trying to

1471
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: get in contact with Cecilia back in London, you know,

1472
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: she's kind of trying to write her letters and see her,

1473
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: and there is a scene where they reconnect and Robbie

1474
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: has come home after being you know, like shell shocked basically,

1475
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: and he's kind of stalking in the background while she's

1476
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: trying to talk to her sister who absolutely does not

1477
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: forgive her.

1478
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1479
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 1: Briani also, while she's in London, goes to Lola's wedding

1480
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: because Lola is marrying Paul the chocolate.

1481
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 3: Millionaire, damn.

1482
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: And during the ceremony she realizes it was Paul who

1483
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: raped Lola, which is another fucked up movie.

1484
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: Of his own.

1485
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but she has this realization way too late,

1486
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: like lives have been destroyed already. Then we cut to

1487
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: present day and Briany now is Vanessa Redgrave and she's

1488
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 1: written twenty one books, so she did become a writer.

1489
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: She has vascular dementia, so she's dying, and she reveals

1490
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: that everything that has happened in the movie was made up.

1491
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: Everything after the event of Robbie getting arrested was completely

1492
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: made the fuck up because both Robbie and Cecilia died

1493
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 1: in the war, so she prevented true love. She's the

1494
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: reason they're both dead, and she fucking knows it. So

1495
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: she wrote this book as a way to like put

1496
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: them together in a way that they were never able

1497
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: to be in life. And I was furious when I.

1498
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 3: Saw I did not.

1499
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 1: I mean, people around me were like sobbing and crying,

1500
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I am not crying for this devious

1501
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: little motherfucker. This is horrible. There is no atonement totally.

1502
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: It was a total flip the table over moment because

1503
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: you'd realize that, like, like nobody had a happy ending

1504
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 2: exactly you know, and you're just like, goddamn, like, the

1505
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 2: consequences of your little bitch ass thirteen year old bullshit

1506
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: really fucking fucked everything up.

1507
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 3: And it's the the scope of.

1508
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: It is so insane, you know, And you're you're right

1509
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 2: because there is that debate. I think a little less

1510
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 2: with my movie, but definitely you're a movie of like, Okay,

1511
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: like she's thirteen, how bad kid she like? But I'm

1512
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: also like, yeah, no, she knew some shit, Like it's

1513
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 2: not like this little innocent move where she was.

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01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 3: Like oopsees I made a movie.

1515
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, no, she knew because she was you know,

1516
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: there are moments where she was acting deviously, you know. Again,

1517
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 2: like I think that that lake moment or whatever was

1518
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: a bit pivotal part of that, but damn. And then

1519
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: just to realize that like that never it never happened.

1520
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, like it never fucking happened. Her sister

1521
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: drowned when the underground that she was staying in as

1522
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: a bomb shelter got flooded and Robbie died of goddamn septicemia.

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I know that. I was like, huh, she's

1524
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 3: got a step shock. Well, thank god I didn't when

1525
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 3: I had set up shock, because that shit looks horrible.

1526
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: It looks it looked like a horrible fucking way to go.

1527
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: But I just I was so mad the first time

1528
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: I saw this movie, because I'm like, Wait, we're supposed

1529
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: to feel for Briany, is that what you're trying to

1530
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: get me to do?

1531
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 3: And like, am I a heartless person?

1532
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 1: Because I don't, because I think she was supremely fucked up.

1533
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: And at the wedding between Paul and Lola the chocolate

1534
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: millionaire and her cousin, I wonder why she went to

1535
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: that ceremony, and I think it's because she realized the

1536
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: truth of that situation way earlier, right. I think she

1537
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: knew Robbie didn't do it, and I think she knew

1538
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: exactly who it was right away, right, And it might

1539
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: not have been that night, but it was certainly sooner

1540
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: than twenty thing, you know, than ten years later or

1541
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: whatever it was, or five years later. So I think

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: she went to the wedding as a way to kind

1543
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: of stand up because Lola gives her this look like,

1544
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: oh shit, what is she doing here? Yeah, And it

1545
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: gives me the impression that they fucking talked about it.

1546
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, again like the debate with both. The thing

1547
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting about both of these movies this

1548
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: week is that, Okay, you have essentially children of privilege, right,

1549
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: rich white kids who are preventing true love from happening,

1550
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: which is so infuriating and unt it because they're being

1551
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: selfish about what they want exactly exactly. I mean the

1552
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: caveat being that these kids are rich white motherfuckers who

1553
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: are like they know better because they have you know,

1554
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 2: it's like they're like, oh my god, Like this girl's

1555
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: name bran Me and she writes plays.

1556
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, give me a fucking break.

1557
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: Your cousin's name is Pirot, for God's sake, like or

1558
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,919
Speaker 2: the twins, So what are the twins is named Pierrot?

1559
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 2: I mean, god damn, Like what kind of people. But

1560
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: it's that thing of like, okay, like she should have

1561
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 2: known better for sure, she's not. Uh and I and

1562
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 2: because it is like, okay, I'm indicting a thirteen year

1563
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 2: old for being a for making some evil moves, but like, yeah,

1564
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: she's she's she's rich and white and has the education

1565
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: and all of the you know, faculties to know at

1566
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: this point what she's doing.

1567
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Yes, and that is the larger point is that she

1568
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: protected her class status with this lie. So it was

1569
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: also very selfish of her because she knew if she

1570
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: accused Paul, she knew what a ship storm that would be,

1571
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: as he's someone who's her brother's friend, he's a family friend,

1572
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: he's a millionaire, he's you know, she knew that that

1573
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: would be a huge shit storm that she didn't want

1574
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: to be at the center of. So to blame Robbie

1575
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: was easier and quicker and helped, you know, her feel better,

1576
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: And it was just a very very selfish move. But because,

1577
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: like you said, of her class status and her educational background,

1578
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 1: I think that that decision goes deeper than they were

1579
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: even showcasing in the film.

1580
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. And it's not lost on me that

1581
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 3: both you know, Robbie and Ron are gardeners or are.

1582
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: You know, working class unquote working class people in these films,

1583
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: and that is like a huge reason why there's drama

1584
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 2: in the movies. And I just you know, it's it's

1585
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 2: just so interesting. I Mean, I always talk about how

1586
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: the movies are paired because they're thematically similar, but then

1587
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: all these other things. I'm like, oh, sh both these

1588
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: guys are gardeners.

1589
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 3: Oh shit, both these kids are rich. No, no, yes, exactly.

1590
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: There's so many themes that connect, or so many tendrils

1591
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: that connect the theme once you start watching the movies.

1592
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: And that's what I love, discovering those kinds of surprises

1593
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: in the films.

1594
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 3: But me too did me.

1595
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 1: In And I was fucking pissed when I saw it,

1596
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and I was pissed years later when I watched it again.

1597
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 1: And I am never going to be in a mindset

1598
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: to watch this movie and not think that kid's a

1599
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: piece of shit.

1600
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it took me a long time

1601
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 2: to warm up to Shirsha Ronan not gonna lie because

1602
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: of this fucking movie. Like I was like, all right,

1603
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: she's in Little Women, Great, Like I can really like

1604
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: see her for the talent that she is, because all

1605
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: I remember is that when you were in a tolment,

1606
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 2: you were a fucking you created a shit storm.

1607
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 3: And now I can't look at you without thinking of

1608
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 3: this character. But I wish you were a credit great actress.

1609
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 3: But right, she fully inhabited that role. I know.

1610
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: Oh, for a long time, I was like, uh, uh,

1611
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 2: I can't with her. Unfortunately my mind will let me

1612
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 2: go there. But I'm so glad I got to watch

1613
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 2: this again because it had been again.

1614
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 3: Since it came out. I think I saw in the

1615
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 3: movie theater.

1616
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 2: I did see a movie in a movie theater in

1617
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: two thousand and this was one of them. But like, yeah,

1618
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe like all these like I mean,

1619
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 2: this was like early Karen Knightley. This was when James

1620
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 2: McVoy came to the collective consciousness. I mean he's like, yeah,

1621
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: Bennett Cumberbash, I didn't even realize he was in it,

1622
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 2: and look who he is now amazing, Like, yeah, there's

1623
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot.

1624
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 3: Of famous people in this movie. So I'm glad I

1625
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 3: got to say it again.

1626
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: It's a great film. It is a great film. But

1627
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: it will if you're like me, it will make you

1628
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: very angry.

1629
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 3: Yes, I completely agreed. I was fucking pissed again. So

1630
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 3: what do you think.

1631
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 2: I think we did a very fine job of talking

1632
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: about the kids that we're gonna fuck your ship up

1633
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: this week.

1634
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I think we have sterling examples of kids fucking shit up.

1635
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: Happy Mother's Day to all the bombs out there.

1636
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: Oh, God, I feel so bad Mother's Day up.

1637
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 2: This was probably our dirtiest episode yet on top of that,

1638
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,440
Speaker 2: so sorry.

1639
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 3: Mom's anything. As per usual, we.

1640
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 1: Support parents, we support motherhood. We know that it's tough,

1641
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,799
Speaker 1: and that's why we picked this topic. Not to say

1642
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: your kids will fuck your shit up, but just we

1643
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: know that parenting is hard and kids in general, whether

1644
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 1: they mean it or not, will very often fuck your

1645
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: shit up.

1646
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 3: At least the rich white ones will.

1647
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell them what the movies are

1648
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 1: for next week?

1649
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 3: Hi, I would love to.

1650
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 2: All right, so yes, our next episode episode sixty five.

1651
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, it's just the sixty

1652
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 2: fifth episode. The movies are McCabe and Missus Miller from

1653
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one and Shane from nineteen fifty three.

1654
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,800
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1655
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,200
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