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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to another exciting and riveting episode of

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Speaker 1: Just Be. There is a very pressing important issue that

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Speaker 1: I need to communicate to you about, and it's about

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Speaker 1: paper straws. Paper straws, paper straws. Sometimes you'll be at

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Speaker 1: a coffee place or a Starbucks and like you'll just

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Speaker 1: open that straw and it's a plastic straw, and it's

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Speaker 1: like you've sort of gotten the the golden ticket. You

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Speaker 1: are in Charlie and the chocolate factory and you're like,

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Speaker 1: holy shit, I hope no one sees I fucking got

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Speaker 1: the plastic straw. Like maybe one. It's like when you

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Speaker 1: get one random sprinkle and like a plane vanilla ice cream.

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Speaker 1: Just something happened. There was a plastic straw just like

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Speaker 1: thought like that, like I don't know, made it onto

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Speaker 1: a conveyor belt into the store and I've just got

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Speaker 1: one of the last surviving plastic straws. The thing is,

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Speaker 1: we do have to pick our spots, and I do

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Speaker 1: when I get when I take food in and I

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Speaker 1: have those plastic containers, I always reuse them. That's where

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Speaker 1: my daughter's crayons live. That's where I have little gadgets

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Speaker 1: or buttons. I organize everything in there. Maybe those little

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Speaker 1: clips that are at your desk, if you just they're

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Speaker 1: just messing up. So I'm a big person of trying

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Speaker 1: to recycle what I can. So I was thinking, though, Um,

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Speaker 1: so I use my plastic credit card to pay for

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Speaker 1: the drink at Starbucks, and I haven't gotten it yet,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure that I will get plastic surgery at

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Speaker 1: some point. There are plastic containers in my kitchen cabinet,

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Speaker 1: there are plastic materials in my car that I drive

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Speaker 1: to go to Starbucks. I bought some Halloween decorations and

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Speaker 1: there's plastic on them. Some commercials say plastic makes it

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Speaker 1: possible based on the fact that I've just explained to

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Speaker 1: you just a small portion of my day. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at keys on my daughter's computer. I actually

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Speaker 1: think that might be made of plastic. So I just

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Speaker 1: want to fucking know. Oh, I have a water bottle

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Speaker 1: here that's gonna make me be green because I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna use plastic water bottles. But the truth the matter

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Speaker 1: is the top of it that holds in the bottom,

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Speaker 1: that insulated bottle. It's plastic. It came with a metal straw,

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Speaker 1: which I have plied, and I do buy my own straws,

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Speaker 1: and I will, if I think of it, put my

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Speaker 1: own straws into my daughter's lunch box and bring it

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Speaker 1: with me into my purse. I'm in my daughter's room.

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Speaker 1: There's like a light up, amazing modern bunny and it

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's made of plastic. So we are

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Speaker 1: drawing the line at straws. It's Starbucks. And the truth

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Speaker 1: of the matter is I think I would use a

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Speaker 1: paper credit card if I could, and I would, you know,

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Speaker 1: use paper to wrap my makeup brushes. But I really

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Speaker 1: just I don't like the straw. I don't like into

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Speaker 1: my mouth. I don't like it feels soggy. It's like

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Speaker 1: this fucking limp dick that's just like started off hard

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Speaker 1: when I started drinking the drink and two SIPs in

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be green or anything. I can't

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Speaker 1: by the way, that has a paper straw in it.

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Speaker 1: I can't finish the fucking drink because of the paper straw.

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Speaker 1: It's now folded over, and I often take the time

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Speaker 1: like fresh blood, so like underneath that that part hasn't

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Speaker 1: been so wilted. But I just want to know, like,

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Speaker 1: impact of the paper straw switch. How big that has been,

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Speaker 1: the paper straw switch. I just want to understand. So

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you guys to point me in the direction

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Speaker 1: of some data or statistics because I haven't seen any yet.

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Speaker 1: Let me know on my Instagram or at just be

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Speaker 1: with Bethany and what else can we do from plastic

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Speaker 1: to paper. Today is my conversation with Hillary Clinton. The

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Speaker 1: magnitude is not lost on me. She has accomplished so

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Speaker 1: much since the very beginning of our life. She has

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Speaker 1: really just never ever stopped fighting and persevering and moving forward.

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Speaker 1: So this is a pretty exciting conversation for me very

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Speaker 1: early on in this podcast. I think it really provides

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Speaker 1: the essence of what this show is about, which is

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Speaker 1: to humanize someone that you may not know that well

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Speaker 1: at all. Hi. Hell oh, bethany how are you um?

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Speaker 1: So excited and just humbled and taking it in? And

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I honestly, your your time is

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Speaker 1: so valuable and I wanted to tell you what the

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Speaker 1: podcast is and you agreed blindly without asking for a question. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But are you having fun? Are you having fun doing this? I? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I could not love it more. I find it liberating.

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Speaker 1: What do you How do you feel about it doing it?

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Speaker 1: I feel great? You know. I never would have thought

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Speaker 1: that I would be here in my attic of my house,

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Speaker 1: and you know, with my new podcast, you and me

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Speaker 1: both talking to fabulous people about everything under the sun,

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Speaker 1: and I am Maybe it's because we're all at home

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Speaker 1: I love it. I know it's so freeing. And I

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Speaker 1: I see that you're in casual clothes too. I usually

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Speaker 1: shower prior because I feel like it's respectful to the guests.

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Speaker 1: The shower and put a little perfume on. But just

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Speaker 1: so your listeners know, you've got a Snoopy T shirt on,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make it out here. Yes, Well, my

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Speaker 1: teammate is Corey, and he's gay, and he says this

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Speaker 1: looks like a gay Snoopy that, so I think he

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Speaker 1: it looks like there's like a gay flag behind Snoopy

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Speaker 1: exactly like that. So this is just me with Bethany

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Speaker 1: and the filter here is game Changers, Mavericks. Fearlessness started

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Speaker 1: that we all stopped and we started screaming. Am I

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Speaker 1: sitting down? I said why? And your email was read

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Speaker 1: and and and what made you decide to do this? Well,

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Speaker 1: to podcasts and I find them fascinating because they run

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Speaker 1: And so I thought, wow, I'd love to talk with

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Speaker 1: Bethany because I'd love to have the experience of being

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Speaker 1: my own podcasting expertise, so to speak. Fabulous. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: that's thrilling, and you know that I think you're you'll,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've done well, but I think that that

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Speaker 1: so do you realize the currency you have just being you,

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Speaker 1: the actual power and currency just your influence to just

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Speaker 1: entire life. You know, I don't think about it like that.

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Speaker 1: I do feel a sense of obligation in a way,

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Speaker 1: What would you say? Well, I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm somebody who has um always felt like I had

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Speaker 1: but I'm really well aware of how, you know, public

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Speaker 1: It's just out there, and you know, we we are

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Speaker 1: to dig down deep and and really feel like, wait

428
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: a minute, what is right for me? For my family, uh,

429
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: for the kind of life that I want to keep

430
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: living and the person I want to keep becoming. Um. So,

431
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, I I made the decision to you know,

432
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: stay in the marriage and to focus on it and

433
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: to be you know, really um as as committed as

434
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: I could be, because on balance, it was what made

435
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: made me feel was right. And I don't pretend that

436
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: my decision is the right decision for everybody, but I

437
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: think if you go through a really intensional uh self examination,

438
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: so it's not knee jerk, it's not yes, no, or

439
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: I give in or I give up or whatever. If

440
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: you really think it through, you come to the decision

441
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: that's right for you. It might not be right for

442
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: your sister, or your best friend or your neighbor down

443
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: the block, but you make that decision and then you

444
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: go forward with it. And that's you know, that's how

445
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: I see it. Well, And watching your husband talk about

446
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: you and get teary eyed, you could see how much

447
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: he truly, truly loves you, like to the core. You

448
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: can just actually see the in the body language and

449
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: in his space. And so when I meet people who

450
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: have been married for such a long time, I find

451
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: it to be such an incredible accomplishment. It's much easier

452
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: in business, in in in friendships, in marriage, and you

453
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: know to to to walk. And I think that you've

454
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: been criticized for staying, but I don't think you've been

455
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: honored quite enough for for stitude. I mean that that's

456
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: very hard to do that, much less publicly for anyone

457
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: just to feel yeah, used to go through that and

458
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: to feel embarrassed and to just have to you know,

459
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you did. Having seen the documentary,

460
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's something to aspire to. People

461
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: have so many things that happened in forty five years.

462
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my almost my entire lifetime. It's gonna

463
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna say and I'm not Spring Chicken. Yeah, it's gonna happen.

464
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: So so that that I that I applaud. And how

465
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: do you nurture a relationship with all that work? I

466
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: have problems in my relationships with you know, I've got

467
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: to do this and you've got to go there, and

468
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: this is important, and that's important. And I haven't had

469
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: a career like you, and much less where your partner

470
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: has a career like you. So how the hell? That's

471
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: what the nitty gritty of it? The day to day.

472
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you've had some big firework moments that we've

473
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: all watched. But I'm talking about not Valentine's Day and uh,

474
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Infidelity Day. I'm talking about the five other days or

475
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: the year that you know are in holidays. So how

476
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: does that? How do you do that? What's the takeaway?

477
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's such the right question, and

478
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: it's particularly important in these days because you know, before

479
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: the pandemic, everybody was going off in a million different

480
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: directions and there's so many demands on everybody's life, but

481
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: somebody you know, as busy as as you. You know,

482
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: it gets compounded. So you've got to find things that

483
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: you really make time for. And you know, before the pandemic,

484
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: when we were living a much more you know, normal life,

485
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: we you know, made time to go out to dinner,

486
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: We made time to go to the movies, We made

487
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: time to go to the theater. We made time to

488
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: visit friends, and of course spending time with you know,

489
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: our daughter and our grandkids. Now during this pandemic, it's

490
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, Bethany, because we make time to go for

491
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: long walks. I mean, I'm a huge believer in getting

492
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: out into nature and and breathing. I mean it's like

493
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: my mental health exercise of the day. Uh. We make

494
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: time to spend time with our our kids and our family.

495
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: We make time to you know, play games, card games,

496
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: do puzzles, word games. I mean it sounds kind of hokey,

497
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: but you gotta create almost I think of a weaving

498
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: together of you know, all of your individual interests. You know,

499
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: he watches sports as much as any human being. I know,

500
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: he watches anything. And he was depressed when in the

501
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic, there were no sports. He was

502
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: watching you know, cornhole contests and pickle ball content anything,

503
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: right that God that you know, sports came back so

504
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: we can watch football and baseball and basketball. So he

505
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: watches a lot of sports, which is his which is

506
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: his deal. Um, you know, I talked to my friends,

507
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: I read a lot, we watched you know, common TV

508
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: programs that we find, uh, you know, entertaining and the like.

509
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: But you have to make a real point of it

510
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: because it is so easy to sort of just kind

511
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: of drift away. Because working on relationships, you know, it's hard.

512
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: It takes you know, a lot of patience and practice.

513
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: And I have no other advice than that, other than

514
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's like anything else, if you value it,

515
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: you do it, and you practice at it and you

516
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: try to get better at it. So you're saying, it's

517
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: a quality, not quantity. It's a quality not quantity. And

518
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: it's making moments that are very present, making memories and

519
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: as a moment that yeah, that thats scheduling them, you know,

520
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: making you know, making them a priority. And of course

521
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: in the pandemic, it is quality and quantity because I

522
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: mean we're we're together seven now, we're not going anywhere

523
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: we have you know, not not many places that we

524
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: can get out of our house. So we've spent a

525
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: lot of time together. And you're are you with your

526
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: daughter too, so you're all together, you're having more quality

527
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: well together. So you never thought at this time it's

528
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: the best. I mean no, I never thought I'd get

529
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: to spend this kind of time with my grandchildren. I

530
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: have a six year old granddaughter. I have a four

531
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and a one year old grandson, so three little kids,

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: and I'm ever would have thought. I mean, it's the

533
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: only silver lining in this otherwise really stressful, difficult time

534
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: for all of us. But it's a big silver lining

535
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: because you know, all summer, I mean literally they would

536
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: come and wake us up and jump on our bed

537
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: and you know, come on, grandma, come on, pop, pop,

538
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: come outside, we want to play or you know, it

539
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: was just the best. I mean, those memories are priceless,

540
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: embedded forever. What a great silver lining. And I do

541
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: think though that the way that I see it is

542
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: that people are still right now, and some people are

543
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, obviously people are impoverished and have no job

544
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: and are unwell and that's a that's a major bucket.

545
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: But I think there are many people that have never

546
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: jumped out of fear business wise, and now the snow

547
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: globe is totally shaken up, and I don't think there's

548
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: going to be a big flourishing of small businesses as

549
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: a result of this because people have to fly. Oh

550
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: I hope. So I hope you know one thing well,

551
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: because you are a businesswoman and you've been really innovative

552
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: and entrepreneurial. You know, maybe through your podcast you could

553
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, not only have business people on, but you know,

554
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: have people who can you help your listeners think about

555
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: what they could do exactly. I mean, because I agree

556
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: with you this should be a time of fermat and

557
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: innovation if we're smart about it. It's a time to

558
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: plant seeds and they will grow. There will be a

559
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: gold rush exactly. So that's what I do think, because

560
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: I tell people, don't get manic, and it's so hard

561
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: to not have anxiety. Try to focus on your self

562
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: care and sleeping because now is the time to be

563
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: planning everybody still, So as when you're planting your seeds,

564
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: you're planning and charting your course. That's how I feel

565
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: about it, I do. I like that. I like that,

566
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: that's good. In what ways has being a women had advantages?

567
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: Because we talk a lot about what women don't get

568
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: and and you know, not equal pay aside aside from

569
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Judge Judy because she once said, thank God, I didn't

570
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: ask for equal pay, which I love. That was smart, right, So,

571
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: in what way has being a woman had its advantages?

572
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Like where you know, things have happened for you that

573
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened if you were a man. Well, you know,

574
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: I think of the advantages more in sort of like

575
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: a holistic way. Um, I really do believe that being empathetic,

576
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: being able to put yourself in somebody else's position, comes

577
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 1: more naturally to women. I mean, I think that certainly

578
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: from my experience. I have a much broader aperture my

579
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, my brain is sort of open wider to

580
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: sort of pick up how people are feeling and hurting

581
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: and maybe what we can you know, try to do

582
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: to help uh And I and I like that. I mean,

583
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about what's happened around the

584
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: world with the pandemic, it's pretty clear now that the

585
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: countries with the best outcomes were run by women. Think

586
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: about that in New Zealand, Taiwan, Germany, uh, you know, Finland, Denmark.

587
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: And why was that? I mean in part because I

588
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: think many of them were moms like you know, like

589
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you and me, many of them, Um, you know, we're

590
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: more open to feeling the fear and anxiety that people had,

591
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: and being more inclusive and listening. The combination of of

592
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: reasons really lead to measurable results. UM. So I think

593
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: that's why I've always been a good office holder. You know,

594
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: That's why I've always done a really good job when

595
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: I was in an office. It's a little harder sometimes

596
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: running for office and asking people to vote for you.

597
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: And you know, that's when sometimes the you know, the

598
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: problems are the double standard about being a woman woman

599
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: come into play. But once you're in office, I really

600
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: feel like as a public official, I kind of got

601
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: a broader understanding. Like for example, you know, I was

602
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: senator on nine eleven, Um, I was. I was there

603
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: at ground zero the day after, uh with you know,

604
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: the governor, the mayor, my fellow senator, UM. And I

605
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: immediately was choking on the air and I immediately started

606
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: thinking people are going to get sick from this. I

607
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: picked it up immediately because I was thinking, you know, what,

608
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: what if you know, I were living down here, or

609
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: what if I had been working down here? So I

610
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: started working on trying to, you know, understand what had

611
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: happened to people's health. I don't know, It's just because

612
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: as women, we you know, we we carry a lot

613
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: of the responsibilities that families are having to fulfill. And

614
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I felt like I was helping my huge family after

615
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: such a terrible, you know, tragic disaster, makes perfect sense.

616
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: I do you have to go soon? So I'm just

617
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: gonna get in like two more questions because I want

618
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: to let you go. One is, do you feel that

619
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: you went gangster enough with Trump? Like, do you feel

620
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: that you were being elegant and classy and you didn't

621
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: go like you didn't go in go and gangster, and

622
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: that you maybe should have gone an our game? You know,

623
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, I've thought about that a lot. I mean really,

624
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: I wrote a book after the election called What Happened,

625
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: And I wrote a chapter about women in politics, and

626
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: I wrote about, you know, how how do you deal

627
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: with somebody who, uh is you know that aggressive, you

628
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: know that domineering and all the rest of it. You know,

629
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I think I would have. I could have

630
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: tried a few different things. I think. Still, you've got

631
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: to be careful as a woman on the you know,

632
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: the big stage. You can't be too you know, they

633
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: get to be aggressive. But if we're aggressive, we pay

634
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: a price for it, as you know so well. So

635
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: I think I could have tried a few other um tactics.

636
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not sure they would have worked, but you know,

637
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: might have been worth trying. What do you think of

638
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: my idea that there should be a penalty box at debates,

639
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: so if you don't follow the rules, you get a

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Speaker 1: not on you. I love that. We've got to do

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Speaker 1: something right to make these debates. Yeah, these debates work

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Speaker 1: again because we saw with Trump, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: just interrupting talking over as time. Yeah, something has to happen.

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Speaker 1: We should put you in charge of that about it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're any time out now? Now you face the corner.

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Speaker 1: So what is your signature cocktail? Oh well, I've gone

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Speaker 1: through several during the course of my life. I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of on Margarita's right now, okay, I'll have to send

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Speaker 1: you some margharita's. Okay, that's because we've been eating so

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Speaker 1: much take out Mexican food. I probably need to stop that,

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Speaker 1: but it's been delicious. So let me ask you just

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Speaker 1: one last question, which is your mantra? Mine? Is? You know,

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Speaker 1: keep going and be grateful. I mean, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: how I mean, when you're knocked down, which everybody is,

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Speaker 1: you gotta find a way to get back up. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you just get to your knees first and then you

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Speaker 1: grab on something, you pull yourself up, keep going and

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Speaker 1: then be grateful, you know, every day. I really believe

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Speaker 1: that gratitude is a discipline and if you practice it,

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Speaker 1: it has really good effects on you. Um, so that's

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Speaker 1: what I try to do. Well, you have walked the walk,

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Speaker 1: and I have to say that you make me proud

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Speaker 1: to be a woman, and I'm proud of you and

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Speaker 1: everything you've done. It's unbelievable. Thanks, it's great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: The very best to you. Thank you so much. Hillary. Wow, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, people are just people. I mean Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: is a person. She's a human being and I think

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Speaker 1: I got a sense of her. The truth is, that's

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Speaker 1: what this podcast is designed to do. You don't understand

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Speaker 1: who this person is, you'd understand how they think about

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Speaker 1: relationships and their career and their struggle. And that's what

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Speaker 1: it is. And I wasn't here to just you know,

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Speaker 1: talk to her about the same ship that everyone else

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Speaker 1: normal conversation that you were just sitting in on. And

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Speaker 1: I hope that I did it justice because there was

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Speaker 1: so much to talk about. And I'm glad she wore

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Speaker 1: just like a flannel sweatshirt or fleece because I was

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Speaker 1: wearing a snoopy shirt and that would have felt stupid

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Speaker 1: if I was all decked out and she was in

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Speaker 1: a suit. So I'm really thrilled and thank you all

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Speaker 1: for listening. This is quite exciting. Just Be is hosted

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Speaker 1: an executive produced by me Bethany Frankel, Brail Productions and

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