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Speaker 1: thinking about for the majority of the two thousands and

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Speaker 1: twenty tens, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady went to thirteen

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Peyton went to four, Tom went to nine,

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Speaker 1: and they won. You know, Peyton won two, Tom one

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Speaker 1: once he went to not counting Tampa, but just when

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Speaker 1: they played in the same conference, they won eight Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically those two guys winning all the time.

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Speaker 1: There was Naron Rodgers and Drew Brees and a Roethlisberger

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Speaker 1: in there. But for the most part, there weren't many randoms.

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Speaker 1: Why because they were beating everybody. And you watched Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen today, you watched Lamar Jackson last night. We've watched

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes flip a switch down the stretch of the season.

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Speaker 1: It's not even a fair fight. It really isn't. When

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow can't make the playoffs and he's the only

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Speaker 1: guy that should be included in that conversation. These guys

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Speaker 1: are in a different universe than everyone else, in a

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Speaker 1: different universe. Patrick Mahomes could retire tomorrow, he would walk

446
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Speaker 1: straight into the Hall of Fame. Josh Allen and Lamar

447
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Speaker 1: Jackson are Hall of Fame players in the peak of

448
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Speaker 1: their powers and dominate. I can't wait for this game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday Night. But is anyone beating these teams? Because

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Speaker 1: I would say that Buffalo is probably the worst team

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Speaker 1: of the three. But if Josh beats Baltimore and then

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Speaker 1: goes on the road and beats Kansas City, they clearly

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Speaker 1: are peaking at the right time and no one's betting

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Speaker 1: against them. If Baltimore goes on the road to Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and then beats the Chiefs. Nobody's betting against them, and

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs because they're the one seed, only got to

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Speaker 1: play one of the two, where last year they had

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Speaker 1: to play them both. Take care of business of Houston.

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Speaker 1: Let these two teams beat the shit out of each other,

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Speaker 1: host that game at Arrowhead, win that game their favorite

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Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. I think right now, unless anything

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Speaker 1: can happen in football, it's a one game scenario. It's

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Speaker 1: not a you know, a series, right, so you could

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Speaker 1: have a bad half and it can cost you a game.

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Speaker 1: But how do we not have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: or Patrick Mahomes hosting the Lombardis We got watched the

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Speaker 1: Eagles today. I'm sorry, like Jalen's missed some games. He

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Speaker 1: just looked off. And their offense for most of the

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Speaker 1: year passing wise, has been very hit or miss. Their

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Speaker 1: defense is good, but lost to Kobe Dean. They had

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Speaker 1: to throw Burks in there. I saw Burks last year

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Speaker 1: played for the forty nine ers. He's not any good.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to play a half with the guy,

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Speaker 1: it's another thing to play him in a full game

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Speaker 1: against the Lions, against the Ravens, he is a liability.

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Speaker 1: He guess what happens against elite teams, liabilities get exposed

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Speaker 1: and before he goes out, Like the Eagles didn't have

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Speaker 1: that many liabilities, their defense was so stacked, and now

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Speaker 1: they got a key liability on teams that have fantastic

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Speaker 1: running backs and tight ends, and that's where that type

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Speaker 1: player gets exposed because you get him in one on

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Speaker 1: one situations and you attack him. So I just think,

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Speaker 1: right now, it's gonna come down to the AFC, and

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Speaker 1: really the AFC is those three teams. So it's you know,

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Speaker 1: Manning and Brady carried this league for a long long time,

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Speaker 1: and that's what it feels like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,

487
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Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson are doing currently. I wrote down just

488
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Speaker 1: some things that just made me scratch my head, like

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Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? And sometimes you have

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Speaker 1: those moments like what the hell is going on today?

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Speaker 1: In the Packer game, obviously they had to put in

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Speaker 1: a backup left guard. And sometimes there's a reason you're

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Speaker 1: a backup and not a starter. You're not as good

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Speaker 1: as the guy. And because we don't see, for the

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Speaker 1: most part, only the teams truly know how good your

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Speaker 1: backup is or not. But even in the land of backups,

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Speaker 1: some backups are way better than other backups. Like some

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Speaker 1: backups are a second year player who is gonna go

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Speaker 1: on to be a five year starter in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Other backups are only on the team, maybe because of injury,

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Speaker 1: maybe because of some poor draft picks, and in six

502
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Speaker 1: months during free agency in the draft, that guy's roster

503
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Speaker 1: spot will be in jeopardy and he will not be

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Speaker 1: a backup in the NFL. And you saw today the

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Speaker 1: Packers got into a pinch and had to go to

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Speaker 1: a backup and he got exposed immediately. And sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you have to play a backup against the wrong matchup

508
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Speaker 1: i e. The Eagles who have elite inside pass rush

509
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Speaker 1: in Jalen Carter, you are fucked. And there is not

510
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Speaker 1: a goddamn thing the offensive coordinator can do because he's

511
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Speaker 1: just gonna get put in one on one situations against

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Speaker 1: the defensive lineman. And he was holding him, he was

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Speaker 1: holding him, he was holding him. So they yanked him

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Speaker 1: out of the game and then they put the backup

515
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Speaker 1: in and late in the game, the backup, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: the backup to the backup gets tossed into the center,

517
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Speaker 1: hopefully didn't break his ankle, and it was like just

518
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Speaker 1: an all time meltdown. You have that spot and sometimes,

519
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, for a long time you could get around

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Speaker 1: having a bad guard or a bad center on your

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Speaker 1: team because most teams did not have big time interior

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Speaker 1: pass rush. I would say most teams in the NFL

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Speaker 1: now have at least one, especially the good team's high

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Speaker 1: end interior rushers, and they will move those guys around,

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Speaker 1: and hell, they'll put defensive ends now over a guard

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Speaker 1: or a center if that guy is that bad. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald used to do this all the time, Like if

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Speaker 1: you would hurt, a tackle would get injured, and you

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Speaker 1: would put in a backup left tackle or backup right tackle,

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Speaker 1: the rams would move ninety nine and they would just

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Speaker 1: flex him out of defensive end for a couple of snaps.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, let's see if you can block this guy.

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Speaker 1: Happen to the Niners countless times. It's like, oh shit,

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Speaker 1: here we go. And that's that they will sniff you

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Speaker 1: out and they'll smoke you out, and they will just

536
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Speaker 1: expose your problem immediately, you know, for whatever reason. And

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Speaker 1: I get it. He's a pollar rising guy. I guess

538
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Speaker 1: everyone doesn't just acknowledge Jim Harbaugh's good at his job.

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Speaker 1: Some people just hate Jim Harball. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's a quirky guy, kind of arrogant, kind of cocky.

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Speaker 1: People just look down upon guys that win a lot, right,

542
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: just jealousy. Most people aren't winners, so they try to

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Speaker 1: demean that guy. He's obviously a weird cat, so I

544
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Speaker 1: guess people naturally root against him. And for whatever reason,

545
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: people just want to act like Justin Herbert isn't good

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Speaker 1: at football. Oh, everyone's been telling me jerking off. Justin

547
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Speaker 1: Herbert is his all time great players. Like guys, No

548
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Speaker 1: one acts like Justin Herbert is better than Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahomes. He's just better

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Speaker 1: than everybody else. Now, did he have an awful game, Yes,

551
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: he was terrible, probably one of the worst games in

552
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Speaker 1: college or the pros he's ever played in his life.

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Speaker 1: But if you think if you lined up every general

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Speaker 1: manager and you took the four guys that I listed

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Speaker 1: off the table and started listing everybody else and said,

556
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Speaker 1: do you want Justin Herbert or this guy? And just

557
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: started going down the line from Jared Goff to Jalen

558
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: Hurts to Baker Mayfield. Who do you think they would say?

559
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Speaker 1: And I get it. It's easy to pile on when

560
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: he has a god awful game and it was bad,

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Speaker 1: It was really, really bad. His best wide receiver is

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Speaker 1: Lad McConkie, who's really good. They traded Keenan Allen, they

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Speaker 1: got rid of Mike Williams. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: notice put over the years, those guys are pretty good players.

565
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: So his wide receiver room isn't good and he has

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Speaker 1: to force balls to the little white guy, and he

567
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: overthrew him a couple times and it was ugly and

568
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: one went for a pick six. But this notion that

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Speaker 1: he's some scrub and some overrated media creation, and listen,

570
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: there are a lot of media creations that are fucking

571
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: laughable in sports and politics, you name it. This is

572
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Speaker 1: not one of them. This is one of those things

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Speaker 1: that universally in the industry everyone acknowledges this is a

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Speaker 1: high end player. Now, is he ever going to be

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Speaker 1: a champion? Is he ever going to be the league MVP?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't bet my life savings. And

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a super Bowl champion. But I'd say

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Speaker 1: there's a decent chance why he has a great coach,

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Speaker 1: not a good coach. A great coach, you don't happen

580
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Speaker 1: to that great coach. He had his ass kick. You

581
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: know what happened to Bill Walsh in the eighties. He

582
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Speaker 1: didn't win the Super Bowl every year. Sometimes he lost

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Speaker 1: playoff games to the Giants, to the Bears, to the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. They did not win it every year. Jim

585
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Speaker 1: Harball lost in the first round for the first time

586
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Speaker 1: in his NFL career. But it just made me laugh

587
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: that everyone. I knew some people would make fun of him.

588
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: I didn't realize like the universal hatred for this duo

589
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: so overrated guys, What are we talking about? I mentioned

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Speaker 1: it earlier and I will say it again. This is

591
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: the worst version of the Chargers and the deadver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: For Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh. This the worst their

593
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Speaker 1: team is going to be moving forward was this season.

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Speaker 1: Both these teams are going to be better next year.

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Speaker 1: I say the same thing about the Commanders. They might

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Speaker 1: not win twelve games next year, might win ten. They

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00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: will be more talented next year. I'll promise you that

598
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: the Jets man, this is one that is just really

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Speaker 1: head scratching. I was thinking about this today Dennis Allen.

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Speaker 1: I saw a clip come up on my Instagram. Jay Glazers,

601
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Speaker 1: who was really close with Sean Payton back in the day,

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00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: so he I think still is but knew all the

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00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Saints guys really well. So he's tight with any dude

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Speaker 1: that came from the Saints, and he's boys with Dennis Allen.

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Speaker 1: And Dennis Allen was talking about how he's really tried

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Speaker 1: to invest himself in his family over the last two months.

607
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Speaker 1: Dennis Allen got fired a long time ago. Matt Eberfluss

608
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Speaker 1: got fired a long time ago. Robert Sala was the

609
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: first guy to be fired. A week or two later,

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas is gone. Those three teams fired their guys

611
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: forever ago. Doug Peterson lost his job on Black Monday.

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Speaker 1: As of recording this right now, Mike McCarthy not quite

613
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Speaker 1: sure what's going on there. Feels like he's staying, but

614
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: who knows. But he had his job the whole time.

615
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: These other teams fired their guys forever ago. So the

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Speaker 1: Jets go into this process and every single day they interview,

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Speaker 1: like seven people like what is going on? And this

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Speaker 1: is what happens when Tannebaum and Spielman who listen, I like,

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Speaker 1: I know Mike Tannebaum. I had Rick Spielman on the

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Speaker 1: podcast last year. He was an awesome interview. But whenever

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Speaker 1: you hire these consultant firms, it always feels like they

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Speaker 1: have their own agenda and their own objective. You start

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Speaker 1: helping out some agents, you start helping out some of

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Speaker 1: your buddies. I'll never forget when Washington State was looking

625
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Speaker 1: for a coach. I think it was I think it

626
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: would have been like twenty eleven or twenty twelve. They

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Speaker 1: interviewed the athletic director who had come I think from

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00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: like Domino's, Like he had had a business background before

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Speaker 1: he got into college athletics. And they asked him about

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Speaker 1: like what search firm or committee he was going to

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Speaker 1: use to help him whittle down his candidates, and he said,

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Speaker 1: I'm hiring the search firm of what you're looking at,

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Speaker 1: it's me. I'm the committee. I will conduct the search.

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Speaker 1: And if you're Woody Johnson and you have a team president,

635
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Speaker 1: once you fire everybody, shouldn't your job as a team

636
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Speaker 1: president or any of his right hand men have been

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Speaker 1: to accumulate a list of the specific six to seven

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Speaker 1: guys that you want to talk to. So they're going

639
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: on this wild goose chase of interviewing people like Mike

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00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: Loxley and how I like this guy too, Jim Naggy

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Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl. No one of these guys are

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00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: gonna get hired yet, what is the point of interviewing

643
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: them all? And I'm not anti interviewing people to gain

644
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: some information, but this is also serious. Like you saw

645
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots for the first time in a while, it

646
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: felt like, you know what, the Patriots got their shit

647
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: back together just of we know exactly what we want.

648
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: We're firing this guy to hire Mike Vrabel. We're not

649
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna just maybe we'll like Ben Johnson know, we're going

650
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: after Mike Vrabel, will bang off Byron Lefwich and Pep

651
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: Hamilton check off the Rooney rule, and we're gonna hire

652
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: this guy immediately. We're not fucking around. We're not gonna

653
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: interview six other people to hopefully get some tidbits about

654
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Speaker 1: some other shit. No, Mike Frables our got how could

655
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: the Jets fired these people so long ago, even if

656
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: you don't know who your specific guy is gonna be,

657
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: they not have a pretty good idea of like three

658
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: or four guys. These are the guys we're gonna dial

659
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: into and want to get to know Aaron Glenn. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can get Ben Jonson and a couple other offensive coordinators,

661
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: maybe a defensive coordinator former a coach like Rex Ryan

662
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, and have a specific idea. Instead, it just

663
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: feels like they're kind of pissing in the wind and

664
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Speaker 1: hopefully don't get soaked. And we talk about all the time,

665
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: like the haves and the have nots in the NFL.

666
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: The Bears are getting crushed. They're interviewing a million people.

667
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: You fired Eberflus on Thanksgiving. It is January twelfth. How

668
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: what on when Black Monday started? You kept your general manager?

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Speaker 1: Not have a specific idea. We're gonna give Thomas Brown

670
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: a chance to interview, and we're gonna go after these

671
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: three or four guys. These are the guys. These are

672
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: the guys we've done all this research on. What else

673
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: have you been spending your time on? I don't get it,

674
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: Like this is when Harbaugh, brothers Andy Reid, Sean McDermott

675
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: this is not a fair fight. This league is one sided.

676
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: We say it's all about the quarterbacks. Obviously you gotta

677
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: have a good quarterback, but it's all about the organizational

678
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: philosophy from the owner to the front office. They're the

679
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: haves and the have nots. It's like society, you get

680
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: the rich people and the poor people. Difference in the NFL.

681
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: Everyone's rich, but because you're part of the club, it

682
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: doesn't actually mean you know what you're doing. And you

683
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: see these franchises that just feel like they're lost at

684
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: see that they have no freaking chance, and it's it's

685
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: kind of sad, Like I feel for Jets fans, there's

686
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I feel for Bears fans, there's

687
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: a lot of them. It just doesn't feel like anyone

688
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. And I would say the Raiders

689
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: feel like that a little bit too. I know Tom

690
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Brady's much more involved now, but it's I don't know.

691
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: It just feels like everyone's lost, like no one has

692
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: any clear idea of what they want, Like you should

693
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: have a pretty specific idea, especially in this business, of like,

694
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Speaker 1: these are the five guys, the five guys I'm gonna

695
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: put a fence around these five guys, and I'm gonna

696
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: do all my due diligence, all my work, interview the

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Speaker 1: shit out of all of them, will fly to each

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Speaker 1: one we meet in person. I'm pro zoom and listen,

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Speaker 1: I do a lot of zoom stuff. I do zoom

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Speaker 1: calls with clients, people we do business with. I'm not

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Speaker 1: anti zoom, but if I was gonna give guy a

702
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: four or five year contract at ten to fifteen million

703
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: dollars a year to be the head coach of my

704
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: football team, I don't think if I could meet with

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00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: him in person, I would do it over zoom. That's

706
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: just bad business. If you have to do it over zoom,

707
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: because they have a job and the rules totally understand it.

708
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. But if you have the

709
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: ability to either fly him to you or fly to

710
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Speaker 1: that guy, and you are interested in potentially making him

711
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: your head coach, you deserve to lose if you do

712
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Speaker 1: it over zoom, I think you're a fucking moron. And last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, a couple of years ago, this guy

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Speaker 1: named Tony Fenol, who's actually an Arizona resident for a

715
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: long time, on the PGA tour he was one of

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00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: the best players. Famously, he was in Tiger Woods's group

717
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen when Tiger won the Masters, and he

718
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: hid in the water on hold twelve. But it was

719
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: like he was making all this money. He was a

720
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: great player, but he could never win. And then he

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00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: finally won. He actually won back to back weeks a

722
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and it was a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: And he gave a quote that I'll never forget, and

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Speaker 1: he said, a winner is just a loser who never

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00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: gave up. And that always stuck with me because I

726
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: think most people like what really separates people in society.

727
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: Obviously there are more talented people than others, but I

728
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: think a consistent theme that anyone is taught at a

729
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: young age, he's like, just keep showing up, keep swinging,

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Speaker 1: do not quit. And a lot of people when they're

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Speaker 1: faced with adversity, and it's inevitable in life that you're

732
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: going to go through personal and professional adversity, whether you

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Speaker 1: lose someone close in your life, your parents, close family member,

734
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Speaker 1: broken up with, dump, divorced, fired, bankruptcy, you name it, it

735
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Speaker 1: is unavoidable. Some people just dust themselves off, maybe not

736
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: the next day, it's human nature to let it rattle

737
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: you for a little bit. I've been fired a couple times.

738
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Speaker 1: I didn't wake up swing in the next day. Sometimes

739
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: it took a week, maybe two. But you have you

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00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: either start moving forward or you wallow and pity and

741
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: you get lapped. You either choose like I'm gonna figure

742
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: this out and I'm going to start making progress moving forward,

743
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: whatever that may look like, or I'm just gonna go

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00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: into a tank and let life control me. And I

745
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: think when you look at the National Championship, let's start

746
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: early in the season Notre Dame and lost to NIU,

747
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: which is about as embarrassing of a home loss as

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00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: they've ever had in the history of the program. The

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00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: crazy thing was that at the time, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: n IU, they might just be an excellent team. I

751
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: look the other day. They finished seventh in the MAC.

752
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: They did not have a good season. They lost a

753
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: ton of games. They did not parlay the note name

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00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: season or win into some great season. It did not

755
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: go well. It would have been pretty easy to be

756
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: like this, this is not gonna be good. Instead, they

757
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: clearly came together and they started kicking everyone's ass, and

758
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: then they got to the playoffs, and they used that

759
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: adversity that they had early in the season, and they

760
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: got into a tight game with Georgia and they overcame it.

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00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: They got into a tight game with Penn State and

762
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: they overcame it. I think that is directly correlated to

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Speaker 1: losing that NIU game Ohio State. The Orgame loss is

764
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: not a crazy loss at Eugene. A lot of people

765
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: lose their not that big a deal, especially in the

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00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: fashion in which they lost. That's the type loss you

767
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: hold your head high, you don't even drop in the rankings.

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Speaker 1: The Michigan loss was their version of the NIU loss.

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Speaker 1: It was unexplainable. They were basically a three touchdown favorite

770
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: at home. They were better in literally every area except

771
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: they're not as tough, and for whatever reason, they tried

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00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: to prove they were tough and run it right up

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00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: the middle, and it failed and they lost. And I

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00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: don't think it was hyperbolic when everyone reacted to like

775
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: fire Ryan Day, and I get Ryan Day's got a

776
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: lot of buddies, Herbstreet, Joel Clatt, and they all defended him.

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00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: That loss is not defendable, and if they wanted to

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00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: fire him after that loss, it would have been defensible

779
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: to fire him. It was that bad. And you could

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00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: tell on Ryan Day's face like it was the most

781
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: embarrassing moment of his life. He was shell shocked. It

782
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: looked like he just witnessed a murder when they were

783
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: getting in the fight at midfield. But whatever they did

784
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: since that moment galvanized their team and they came together.

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Speaker 1: And obviously the first two games they beat the crap

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Speaker 1: out of Tennessee in Oregon, but then that game against

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00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: Texas like they felt a little adversity, and like Notre

788
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Dame against Penn State, they prevailed and they came out

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00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: on top. And I think both are great examples of

790
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: it would have been easy to go into the tank.

791
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: It would have been easy to like let the season

792
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: get away from you. After the Michigan loss and after

793
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: the NIU lost, no one would have thought it would

794
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: have been that nuts if Ohio State would have lost,

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00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: maybe not the Tennessee game looking back, but that Oregon

796
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: game or even against Texas. But they just refuse to lose.

797
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes when you go through a really,

798
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: really tough time, if you are able to bottle that

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00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: up and use it to your benefit. Sky's the limit,

800
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: because let's be real, when you're having success at whatever

801
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: you're doing, you don't learn that much. You really don't.

802
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: You learn through failure, you learn through adversity. And I

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00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: think both these programs are directly correlated, like their success

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00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: with the two games that you could argue are two

805
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: of the worst losses of the season and might be

806
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: the two worst losses of twenty twenty four. Think about that.

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00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: The National Championship between Ohio State and Notre Dame includes

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00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: the two worst losses of the season NIU at Notre

809
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: Dame and Michigan at Ohio State. I mean, I think

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00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: combined it was like forty five point favorites. I don't

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00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: know the exact spread off top of my head for NIU.

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00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: I know I think Ohio State finished like eighteen and

813
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: a half nineteen points. At one point in time it

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Speaker 1: was over twenty and now they're playing in the Natty.

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Speaker 1: How cool is that? See you guys tomorrow Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 1: I think I like the rams, the volume