Speaker 1: Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that's a podcast
Speaker 1: legally supposed to that, Jamie, There's no getting around it.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely this is a podcast where a man
Speaker 1: in an animal onesie depresses me over zoom, a man
Speaker 1: in an animal onesie who also bragged about eating fresh
Speaker 1: grapes during our little break. I kind of liked that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what I watch the Golden Girls, Jamie, Oh wait, what
Speaker 1: do you say that? I do? Know? What did is? Now? Wow? Wow,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good Golden Girls. You know, people say
Speaker 1: they learned nothing from Golden Girls except um, you know,
Speaker 1: amazing sex tips. I learned a lot about Golden Girls
Speaker 1: from you did. It's the biggest lesson you would say
Speaker 1: you learned from the Golden Girl, Robert, is it always
Speaker 1: your grapes? If you've killed somebody and you need to
Speaker 1: get rid of the body, you don't want to use
Speaker 1: a normal hack saw, right, You want to use like ideally,
Speaker 1: like a reciprocating saw of some sort. And then the
Speaker 1: other problem you're gonna have, Right, you can't just chop
Speaker 1: the body up and then deal with the pieces. Ship's
Speaker 1: gonna spray, so you're gonna have to cover a wide
Speaker 1: hilarious scene. I didn't learn that from the show, but
Speaker 1: I did learn that from one of the Golden Girls
Speaker 1: when we killed together. I learned that from the Jinks.
Speaker 1: That's another perfect murder in the Jinks. Well, really, speaking
Speaker 1: of murder, do you want to continue talking about this topic? Yes?
Speaker 1: Um so, Jamie? Yes? What is a podcast? Oh? What? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: it's where a series of sort of charismatic but maybe
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Speaker 1: I It just goes for it. Just there's so many
Speaker 1: scenarios where that is going to be a problem. Well, Jamie,
Speaker 1: if you want the mattress that asks for consent before
Speaker 1: eating your ass, then you want a perfect distress. That's
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Speaker 1: is cheaper, but you you will have to pay for it.
Speaker 1: In terms of dragging it to to therapy. You're definitely
Speaker 1: not going to get it to therapy easily. And again,
Speaker 1: the casper has access to cheap ketamine. So that's the
Speaker 1: great thing about happen Jamie. If you want a mattress
Speaker 1: that eat your ass, you have a choice, and that's
Speaker 1: what makes this the best system in the world. Are
Speaker 1: you glad that we got this sorted out? Because I've
Speaker 1: been sometimes there's just questions that you know that your
Speaker 1: friend will be able to answer for you, but you
Speaker 1: just don't really know how to like start the conversation.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't call text you saying which mattress
Speaker 1: eats the best ass? But I know you knew answer,
Speaker 1: you know, But we have choice. That's what's beautiful we
Speaker 1: have in Venezuela. You're lucky if you get one mattress
Speaker 1: that eats your ass M and I we're very lucky
Speaker 1: here we get to choose our ass eating mattresses. And
Speaker 1: you know what else we get in America? Jamie loftus,
Speaker 1: what is this metaphor? What? What? Oh? Wait, yes, now
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, Joe Rogan. Yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: you get a choice too. You can either listen to
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan give you inappropriate healthcare advice, or you can
Speaker 1: just not listen to him and be quietly affected by
Speaker 1: everything he says, because his influence is so great that
Speaker 1: even if you don't like him personally, epidemic rates uh,
Speaker 1: that will affect you and potentially derail your life. Will
Speaker 1: will still I don't know. Here's a clip of Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan announcing that he's tested positive for COVID nineteen got
Speaker 1: tested and turns out I got COVID. So we immediately
Speaker 1: through the kitchen sank out of all kinds of meds,
Speaker 1: monoclonal antibodies, iver mect ins, pack uh, pregnizone, everything. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: keep it on a loop, baby. So this is God?
Speaker 1: Also from why is this a thing with like gen
Speaker 1: xers that it's like everything is from the least flattering
Speaker 1: angle possible. What is that? What is the up angle?
Speaker 1: You know? The more so easy to catch a better angle,
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, But the shittier the angle, the more
Speaker 1: it looks authentic. I guess. Yeah. Oh, that's how Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan tells us he's one of us. He's one of us.
Speaker 1: He's one of us, just with an extra or so
Speaker 1: million dollars Jamie sick. Yeah. If you're a person with
Speaker 1: a reasonable grasp on observable reality, you will note that
Speaker 1: Joe wrote in there specified that he'd used his rich
Speaker 1: person powers to take every available treatment, and some of
Speaker 1: those treatments are real medicines. Monoclonal antibodies absolutely do some
Speaker 1: ship it um now, they were almost certainly unnecessary to him,
Speaker 1: because it sounds like he may just have had asymptomatic
Speaker 1: COVID and maybe all he needed to do with self
Speaker 1: isolate for a little while um, which he did do,
Speaker 1: I think. But monoclonal antibodies probably not necessary for him.
Speaker 1: But if you have actually do get sick, can be
Speaker 1: very helpfully than life saving saving. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: the data suggests that iver mectin probably doesn't again not
Speaker 1: solid solidified yet we may find that there's some treatment
Speaker 1: case for it yet in the future, but certainly not
Speaker 1: the same amount of evidence that there is for monoclonal antibodies. Now,
Speaker 1: being a healthy guy with access to the best healthcare
Speaker 1: on the planet, Joe was always likely to survive COVID
Speaker 1: without much of an issue. And again he may have
Speaker 1: just had an asymptomatic case or mostly a symptomatic case.
Speaker 1: But because he took iver bactic alongside everything else, his
Speaker 1: example is going to spur huge numbers of people who
Speaker 1: can't afford monoclonal antibodies or around the clock medical observation,
Speaker 1: but can afford to go down to the fucking feed store.
Speaker 1: And that's again part of the problem, right. This is
Speaker 1: how the intellectual dark web launders deadly misinformation, because if
Speaker 1: you were to hold Joe's feet to the fire on this,
Speaker 1: he would say, well, look, I didn't say take ivermectin
Speaker 1: if you're sick. I said, we're going to do all
Speaker 1: of the different things. You know, we tried everything. We
Speaker 1: tried all of the different medications. Um, And if question,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would also explain that his iver mectin
Speaker 1: was prescribed by a doctor and that there are doctors
Speaker 1: like the fl C c C who will advise taking
Speaker 1: iver mectin ethan as a prophylactic. He also took a
Speaker 1: treat with lonxiety. YadA, YadA, YadA. But again, a lot
Speaker 1: of the people listening are either just kind of here
Speaker 1: that he endorsed iver macten or of all of the
Speaker 1: things he listed, the only one they can afford is
Speaker 1: ivermectin m It's great. So yeah, it's good, Jamie, We're
Speaker 1: not good again. This is why the world is domed. So.
Speaker 1: The Intellectual dark Web or i d W is a
Speaker 1: term that was quote coined by a guy named Eric
Speaker 1: Weinstein to describe himself and a loose alliance of other
Speaker 1: right wing thought leaders who generally tended to not be
Speaker 1: right wing. So embarrassing you came up with your own
Speaker 1: name for what you when you don't think that's like
Speaker 1: naming your band corn with a K. No except Corn rocks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: corn does rock. No hate to corn, don't. I get
Speaker 1: nothing against corn, either the food or the band. So
Speaker 1: just an embarrassing name. It is an embarrassing name, but whatever,
Speaker 1: so is Jesus Christ God smack. I heard gods that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is pretty embarrassing. You know what, anyone with a
Speaker 1: band name, it's if you think hard enough about it,
Speaker 1: it gets embarrassing. I think Jamie and I are agreed.
Speaker 1: The concept of music is cringe. Honestly, I'm glad someone
Speaker 1: said it because I don't appreciate our die alone in
Speaker 1: a small room. Come on, no one asked about your feelings. York.
Speaker 1: I'm kid, I love I worship York. York rocks. Jamie
Speaker 1: and she didn't need and she didn't need to. She
Speaker 1: she she just goes by her name versus Corn or
Speaker 1: god Smack Jonathan Godsmack has as much of a right
Speaker 1: to his name as Yorks. There of the Boston god Smacks,
Speaker 1: I believe the Boston gods kind of when I have
Speaker 1: a kid and name it god Smack, now just have
Speaker 1: to say that ship so Smack Evans god Smack get
Speaker 1: down here, because I've never listened to one of their songs,
Speaker 1: and I know that would be a lot of people's
Speaker 1: first question. Oh see, yeah, maybe interesting. Maybe that is
Speaker 1: why I've been put on this earth, is to spread
Speaker 1: the good word of god Smack. It's because they're from Massachusetts?
Speaker 1: Is that how I know who they are? So my
Speaker 1: uncle would bring us to their concerts. Yeah, you know who.
Speaker 1: What's not from Massachusetts is the intellectual dark Web, So
Speaker 1: that actually a relief. I DW started out I think
Speaker 1: around two that's an eighteen by branding itself as a
Speaker 1: reaction to and a rejection of authoritarian left wing trends.
Speaker 1: They defined these as cancel culture would be a big one.
Speaker 1: Respect for trans people would be another big one. The
Speaker 1: fact that groups of marginalized people get angry when you
Speaker 1: question whether or not there, you know, deserve rights. The
Speaker 1: fact that people get angry at that is authoritarian to
Speaker 1: the I DW. So Barry Weiss, who used to be Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's the one who popularized the term intellectual dark web
Speaker 1: for a tween article for The Times, and ever since,
Speaker 1: the luminaries of the I DW have position themselves opposite
Speaker 1: the left on every conceivable social issue. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: give Barry Weiss credit for much, but in that first
Speaker 1: article on the I d W, she did identify what
Speaker 1: would come to be a problem with the intellectual dark web. Quote.
Speaker 1: I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to
Speaker 1: crack the it's open much more. I don't, however, want
Speaker 1: to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers
Speaker 1: at all. Given how influential this group is becoming, I
Speaker 1: can't be alone in hoping the I d W finds
Speaker 1: a way to issue the cranks, grifters and bigots and
Speaker 1: sticks to the truth seeking spoiler. They would not Berry,
Speaker 1: that's our berry. Just kidding, I don't, I can't standard. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a lukewarm take and it's and it's bari. But
Speaker 1: that's okay, you know what, you know what I could? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: buck it. So. Eric Weinstein, who named the I d W,
Speaker 1: is the managing director of Teal capital Um. So he's
Speaker 1: a real, real upstart truth teller really on the he
Speaker 1: just manages billions of dollars in wealth. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a he's an insurgent. He's an outsider. He's not like
Speaker 1: the rest of us. He has he's not like those
Speaker 1: rich journalists working for I don't know slate. He's not
Speaker 1: like other girls. So Eric has a brother named Brett,
Speaker 1: and Brett also is a memberi W. Because nepotism. Brett
Speaker 1: is a former evolutionary biology professor from Evergreen State College.
Speaker 1: He got famous when he resigned in two thousand seventeen.
Speaker 1: Over the school's yearly day of absence. In years passed,
Speaker 1: during the day of absence, students of color had left
Speaker 1: campus to have conversations about race and equity, but that
Speaker 1: year they asked white students to leave campus instead, and
Speaker 1: Weinstein complained. He said this led the intolerant left to
Speaker 1: bury him in death threats, which made the campus unsafe
Speaker 1: for him and forced him to resign and sue his
Speaker 1: former employer. He received a half a million dollars settlement.
Speaker 1: Nice good stuff, real honest wages. So Brett operates with
Speaker 1: his wife, Heather the Dark Horse YouTube channel, which is
Speaker 1: probably the primary non medical source of irrational iver mect
Speaker 1: and exuberance. Bain, that's just words, throbber. You can't just
Speaker 1: say those words in that order and expect me to
Speaker 1: think something I would, I can, and I have Oh
Speaker 1: okay hm. So Brett and his wife left on the
Speaker 1: anti parasitic drug as soon as the first studies into
Speaker 1: its efficacy were released. Like the FLCCC, he started off
Speaker 1: by pointing out that he had a history of being
Speaker 1: right about important COVID facts that the medical establishment had
Speaker 1: been wrong about, namely wearing a mask. You remember when
Speaker 1: we were out of masks, and doctor said it might
Speaker 1: not be necessary because we didn't know much about it
Speaker 1: at that point. Well, Brett claims he was right about that.
Speaker 1: Who the funk knows, um, So it's not like masks
Speaker 1: were an option for most of us. We were cutting
Speaker 1: them out of fucking t shirts, Brett. Anyway, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote next from Vice. They began promoting I've Met In
Speaker 1: this spring and interviewed Corey on their podcast in early June.
Speaker 1: Corey claimed that public health bodies are ignoring the potential
Speaker 1: uses of iver mactin in the fight against COVID nineteen,
Speaker 1: perhaps deliberately striking the same conspiratorial tone that often arises
Speaker 1: in conjunction with flimsy medical claims. He speculated that a
Speaker 1: World Health Organization committee was told they can't come out
Speaker 1: of that room with a recommendation for iver macten. Corey
Speaker 1: and Weinstein both agreed that COVID nineteen vaccines are being
Speaker 1: promoted at the expense of other treatments, seemingly for the
Speaker 1: benefit of the same sinister they's whom they imply control
Speaker 1: the w h O and other health agencies. Another podcast
Speaker 1: featured Weinstein literally taking iver mactin on air. We are
Speaker 1: not going to make any recommendations as to what you
Speaker 1: should do, Weinstein said shortly before doubting the drug. And
Speaker 1: we're not going to say anything conclusive about what the
Speaker 1: data say, because the data are not themselves conclusive. However,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean the data don't imply things. Robert I
Speaker 1: fear that our medium is the source of all of
Speaker 1: society's current ills. Well, social media, our medium is part
Speaker 1: of its. Social media is really what got the ball
Speaker 1: rolling before podcasts were because this is also on YouTube
Speaker 1: where he's doing. It's like it's all part of it.
Speaker 1: Podcasts are part of it. To this part of it's
Speaker 1: this whole. You know, Barry Weiss talks about the gate
Speaker 1: there were too many gatekeepers, um. And the problem is
Speaker 1: now there are. There's no such there's no gate there's
Speaker 1: nothing at all. You just pick the facts that are
Speaker 1: most convenient to you, um, and then you get increasingly
Speaker 1: violently agitated when reality doesn't line up with those facts,
Speaker 1: and so you attack the capital and start storming school
Speaker 1: board meetings and threatening to murder school administrators who demand people.
Speaker 1: I think that they're still gates, but the gates are
Speaker 1: far tinier and very easy to knock over. So it's
Speaker 1: like there's one person to each gate, and so you
Speaker 1: could just walk up and they're like, yeah, come on
Speaker 1: in whatever, Like there's no institutional gate. Not that I'm
Speaker 1: advocating for an institutional gate, but in this case, there were.
Speaker 1: There were probably were way too. It's not like I'm
Speaker 1: not saying like, oh, we need to go back to
Speaker 1: the good old days when Walter Cronkite was the entirety
Speaker 1: of news, you know, when there was one source of news.
Speaker 1: Of course, not the fact that there is a massive
Speaker 1: that you can make millions of dollars if you just
Speaker 1: wait until somebody makes a vague suggestion that a medication
Speaker 1: might be helpful and then tell them to issue all
Speaker 1: proven medications in favor of that, and then claim that
Speaker 1: you're being silenced by medical authorities when doctors say what
Speaker 1: you're saying is a bad idea and that way you
Speaker 1: make huge amounts of money. That's bad. Yeah, you should
Speaker 1: have to be able to like prove what you're claiming
Speaker 1: if you're claiming to be an authority. I think I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what the long term solution is,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we'll find it, um, but maybe
Speaker 1: it would be something like, Okay, well you told a
Speaker 1: bunch of people to take iver meton and not get vaccinated,
Speaker 1: and these people died, So we're going to shoot you
Speaker 1: in a field. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: in minecraft, of course, but I I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: So Weinstein went on in that episode to claim that
Speaker 1: neither he or his wife have been vaccinated quote because
Speaker 1: we have fears, as we have discussed it length on
Speaker 1: this podcast, and that given the apparent effectiveness that iver
Speaker 1: mectin and iver mectine preventing COVID nineteen, why would he
Speaker 1: bother taking the vaccine cost benefit? For me? It makes sense, um.
Speaker 1: So when VISs asked Heather and her husband which reputable
Speaker 1: scientific sources they followed on ivermectin, Heather responded like a
Speaker 1: truly gifted grifter, And as a connoisseur of grifters, I
Speaker 1: have to give her a little clap for this response. Quote,
Speaker 1: we are not following any particular experts. That isn't what
Speaker 1: scientists are supposed to do. We have been in continue
Speaker 1: to read the scientific literature as it emerges. The one
Speaker 1: exception to this is with regard to Protocol for using
Speaker 1: Ivermectin as a prophylact against COVID nineteen, which is listed
Speaker 1: on the website for the front Line COVID nineteen Critical Carolines,
Speaker 1: an organization of dot years of what Dr Corey is
Speaker 1: a leading figure. So we don't we aren't following any experts,
Speaker 1: but we are only listening to this one guy and
Speaker 1: taking this medicine because he said too, Um, it's good ship.
Speaker 1: Sure sure, no, that that's solid solid. This is like absurd, Okay,
Speaker 1: now after it's good stuff. After Brett took iver met
Speaker 1: and Live on air, Heather claim she and her entire
Speaker 1: family began taking it as a prophylactic. At one point,
Speaker 1: Brett Weinstein acknowledged that his advice might stop people from
Speaker 1: getting vaccinated. Quote, they could well contract COVID nineteen when
Speaker 1: they otherwise would not have. They might die. That's not
Speaker 1: a responsibility I want, but it's I feel it's one
Speaker 1: I must take on because the analysis that matters is
Speaker 1: the net analysis. What is the best policy from the
Speaker 1: point of view of reducing the number of people lost
Speaker 1: to this disease as opposed to lost to adverse reactions
Speaker 1: to vaccines? So that's bad but it is Brett acknowledging
Speaker 1: again that he know he's going to get people killed.
Speaker 1: It's him claiming, of course that is net he's getting
Speaker 1: less people killed, but he fucking knows what he's doing, right,
Speaker 1: That's that's I mean, I guess that's not even really
Speaker 1: tripping me up logic wise, because it's abundantly clear that
Speaker 1: this that this group is aware that this is a
Speaker 1: risk the entire time. And I feel like that is like,
Speaker 1: in the case of Joe Rogan, one of the only
Speaker 1: things that is preventing him from falling off the edge
Speaker 1: of a cliff is he will never acknowledge that he
Speaker 1: knows that what he is doing that hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of people consume every week, has a demonstrable harm. And
Speaker 1: if he admits that, then the game has kind of
Speaker 1: changed a little bit for him. But the fact that
Speaker 1: he would admit it, like Brett, I mean, would it
Speaker 1: would admit that he's well aware of the consequences of
Speaker 1: his actions in public, that easily is like just speaking
Speaker 1: of the consequences of his actions, Jamie, So do tell
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh no, we'll we'll be we'll be getting
Speaker 1: to the consequences of it. But you know. So. Brett
Speaker 1: has more than five hundred sixty thousand followers on Twitter
Speaker 1: and three d and fifty one thousand followers on YouTube.
Speaker 1: One of his followers was an Englishman named Leslie Lawrenson.
Speaker 1: Note that I said was oh. Leslie regularly shared Brett's content.
Speaker 1: Underneath one post where in Leslie shared one of Brett's videos,
Speaker 1: he wrote, quote and this is this is Leslie iver.
Speaker 1: Meton has been around for forty years. There have been
Speaker 1: more than four billion doses administered in that time, and
Speaker 1: its risk profile is extremely well known. Frontline doctors across
Speaker 1: the world have reported that it is not only safe,
Speaker 1: but extremely effective and ji successfully treating COVID nineteen. Yet
Speaker 1: its use as being suppressed and blocked by every single
Speaker 1: government that is within the purview of big pharma and
Speaker 1: the mainstream media is exercising a media blackout a k a.
Speaker 1: Censorship regarding its existence so that the sheep never get
Speaker 1: to hear about it. Shortly after that, he posted a
Speaker 1: video announcing that he had caught COVID nineteen and that
Speaker 1: he was glad of this because the virus was nothing
Speaker 1: different from a normal illness and the potential risks of
Speaker 1: the vaccine were not worth it. Days later, his family
Speaker 1: found him dead in his home. God, I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: do you need a more one to one analysis of
Speaker 1: what this guy's rhetoric is doing. That's that's like, that's
Speaker 1: that's negligent homicide. That should be punished the same way
Speaker 1: as getting somebody with your car when you're wasted. Um
Speaker 1: lots of platform than ever before Rogan show. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I I'm very critical of a
Speaker 1: lot of like the revolutionary fantasizing among some such sections
Speaker 1: of the left and the up against the wall bring
Speaker 1: out the guillotines part, but yeah, sucking bring out the guillotines.
Speaker 1: Let's do It's like, that's that's that's right. There's some
Speaker 1: clear cut examples of like, well, that situation calls you're
Speaker 1: you are knowingly getting people killed for your own personal
Speaker 1: benefit and I don't really care what happens to you, Brett,
Speaker 1: And it's not even he can't even like and and
Speaker 1: there's nay him to the faces and he knows the
Speaker 1: names and he knows the faces and he doesn't give
Speaker 1: a ship like that is just horrific. Anyway, Let's have
Speaker 1: a Nuremberg for disinformation um and like the actual Nuremberg Court,
Speaker 1: most of the guilty people will get off scott free
Speaker 1: and later wind up working for NASA, And then someone
Speaker 1: will make to Joe Rogan designing the first successful mars Lander.
Speaker 1: H Joe Rogan is the Berner von Brown in this
Speaker 1: Yeah what sorry? I see the spaceship that Joe Rogan makes.
Speaker 1: Do you I mean, is it possible to make a
Speaker 1: bigger uh like Penis complex and Jeff Bezos is? I
Speaker 1: would like to see Joe Rogan try. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think that Joe Rogan has that same particular issue
Speaker 1: that Jeff Bezos has. What what do you think his
Speaker 1: problem is? What makes he has a lot of rob
Speaker 1: But he strikes me. I don't think he's insecure like that.
Speaker 1: That does not strike me as Joe Rogan's issue. Clearly,
Speaker 1: fucking both Bezos and Musk are, but I think Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan is. I think Joe Rogan would have been a
Speaker 1: perfectly banal, perhaps even positive influence on society if we
Speaker 1: had never developed the Internet. He would have been. He
Speaker 1: would have been great at you go in to watch
Speaker 1: a bunch of sweaty guys punch each other and Joe
Speaker 1: is an entertaining announcer, and that would have been factor
Speaker 1: residuals and like living in Glendale for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life, and we wouldn't have known the difference. No,
Speaker 1: And you could say, oh, I like Joe Rogan, and
Speaker 1: people would say, oh, yeah, the guy who made people
Speaker 1: eat bugs. He was funny, and that would be the
Speaker 1: end of the motherfuck. I would have no lover. I
Speaker 1: love when people eat bugs. It's when you start spreading
Speaker 1: disinformation to hundreds of millions of people, to the point where,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, even if you don't give a
Speaker 1: shit about him, you can't escape the consequences of his actions,
Speaker 1: which he claims is free thinking. I just I'm getting
Speaker 1: all sweaty like a Joe Rogan just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. Jamie, you're so shiny right now.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so shy. I'm sorry. All the
Speaker 1: blood is at the surface of my skin. And that's
Speaker 1: why that's happening. Well, you know what, sweat it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some weird, weird thing that will make
Speaker 1: you sweat as the ad. But yeah, what's not going
Speaker 1: to actually a lot of our because like if you're taken,
Speaker 1: if you're taking dick pills, they will cause things that
Speaker 1: will lead the sweating for sure, you know, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Sex works. And if you take a Honda Odyssey we're
Speaker 1: sponsored by Honda hot it is yes, it will, Jamie, Okay,
Speaker 1: just checking. Honda Odyssey will eat your ass. Um, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. It doesn't ask for consent. But unlike the
Speaker 1: Casper mattress, it does not have a good well yeah,
Speaker 1: at your own discretion. All right, we are back. We
Speaker 1: are back and and talking about ship. That's none of
Speaker 1: your goddamn business. During the break, what do you what
Speaker 1: do you? What are you doing prying into our personal lives? God,
Speaker 1: damn it. I told you once listener boundaries on boundary. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm open break down those parasocial walls. Come over to
Speaker 1: my house, poison me in my sleep. That is that
Speaker 1: is why we get up. She's like one of four
Speaker 1: people that I really like. You can find my You
Speaker 1: can find my address in the show notes. Um, it's
Speaker 1: the only show note we still publish because Jamie law
Speaker 1: This is a dressed in a series of recent photo
Speaker 1: dress come to the duplex I live in. There's no
Speaker 1: air conditioner and it's very hot, but please don't please.
Speaker 1: You'll notice, Jamie that we haven't laid any clips of
Speaker 1: from Brett's YouTube videos. This is because YouTube has started
Speaker 1: removing his content that discusses ever mected in vaccines. A
Speaker 1: week or so before I wrote this, Weinstein tweeted YouTube
Speaker 1: just demonetized both dark Horse channels, wiping out more than
Speaker 1: half of our family income. Their message dropped the science
Speaker 1: and stick to the narrative or else. So a bevy
Speaker 1: of right wing and generally oppositional defiant thought leaders spoke
Speaker 1: up in Brett Weinstein's defense. These included Matt Taiebe, whose
Speaker 1: recent turn has really bumped me out being a fan
Speaker 1: of his earlier work. Matt wrote an article titled meet
Speaker 1: the censored Brett Weinstein quote, as detailed in why has
Speaker 1: I ever met? In become a dirty word? Weinstein is
Speaker 1: on the version becoming one of the more prominent casualties
Speaker 1: to a censorship movement that it's hard not to see
Speaker 1: as part of a whier evergreening of America. He's referring
Speaker 1: to the college that that Brett left because he was
Speaker 1: being a baby. Yeah, that's where he got he had
Speaker 1: to resign from because he didn't want to walk out
Speaker 1: during anyway. It was he made nothing into a big
Speaker 1: deal because he's a fucking baby like all of these
Speaker 1: fun Yeah, that's the m O, right. You know what
Speaker 1: happens when people ask me to do stuff I don't
Speaker 1: want to do. I I just quietly go don't do it,
Speaker 1: and I don't make a big deal about it, because
Speaker 1: because why would you, Like, you don't want to you
Speaker 1: don't want to leave campus during the day when they
Speaker 1: ask the white people to leave, Just do keep doing
Speaker 1: your thing, suck it like, you don't have to make
Speaker 1: a big deal about it and it'll go away. It's fine.
Speaker 1: You don't have to. You don't have to make everything.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a baby about everything. But
Speaker 1: if you are a baby about specifically things that the
Speaker 1: left does, then you'll make millions of dollars becoming a
Speaker 1: right wing thought leader, which is why he's done it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe anything fun all these people the thought
Speaker 1: leader is such a meaningless her. I just yeah, every
Speaker 1: every element of uh this man's being is disgusting to me.
Speaker 1: Um uh so. Bill Maher also came to Brett's defense,
Speaker 1: along with of course, Barry Weiss, glid Greenwald and busy
Speaker 1: on She's on Bill Maher all the time. It's the
Speaker 1: most effective Republican working today at it. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny because Barry Weiss, in her first article in the
Speaker 1: id W is like, I hope they get a handle
Speaker 1: on grifters and people spreading misinformation, but of course when
Speaker 1: they actually do that, she defends them to the fucking
Speaker 1: hill because she's also wait, not the grifters, I like,
Speaker 1: makes eight hundred grand year writing shitty sub stack articles
Speaker 1: about how canceled she is. No who is read by
Speaker 1: these None of these fucking people actually suffer consequences. They
Speaker 1: just wind about the consequences they're not suffering because they're
Speaker 1: fucking babies. Fucking hate all these people. So um Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro aimed breadths demonetization on the increasingly sensorious laughed Weinstey
Speaker 1: took the Odyssey an alternative YouTube replacement for canceled people,
Speaker 1: but the reality is that he has not been at
Speaker 1: all censored. YouTube's policies on iver Mectin are extremely liberal,
Speaker 1: as this quote from Vice makes clear, and I think
Speaker 1: this is by Anna Merlin. She's done a lot of
Speaker 1: the best reporting on the ivermectin stuff. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: her a lot um quote. Weinstein's tweets called the YouTube
Speaker 1: decision an assault on science. But according to YouTube, even
Speaker 1: materials that advocate for the use of unproven COVID treatments
Speaker 1: like iver mectin or hydroxy clerquin would be allowed, so
Speaker 1: long as there's some nod to the fact that medical
Speaker 1: and health authorities worldwide don't currently recommend them as a
Speaker 1: COVID treatment. Ivermectin as an anti parasite and has been
Speaker 1: widely and safely used in both humans and animals for
Speaker 1: that purpose for decades, among other things. As an example,
Speaker 1: the company pointed to a January video from Dr Mike Hanson,
Speaker 1: an internist and pulmonologist, who said he was cautiously optimistic
Speaker 1: about iver mecton as a treatment option, but acknowledged that
Speaker 1: the studies conducted on it up to that point weren't
Speaker 1: numerous or necessarily high quality. You see, Brett was not
Speaker 1: demonetized for being a truth teller. He was demonetized because
Speaker 1: YouTube's policies. You can say, hey, ivermectin white might work.
Speaker 1: You can even you can even tell people things that
Speaker 1: might leave most of them to take ivermectin as long
Speaker 1: as you're saying, hey, this isn't proven yet and the
Speaker 1: studies are very much inconclusive. Right, there's you can talk
Speaker 1: about iver emecton, you can talk about remcting research. You
Speaker 1: can't say it's a wonder drug that works better than
Speaker 1: the vaccines, because that's a fucking lie that will get
Speaker 1: people killed. Brett, you fucking idiot. Um, He's not an idiot.
Speaker 1: He's very good at making a lot of money in
Speaker 1: a very specific evil. No, it's like he's he knows
Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing. Like he's he's very cannily manipulating
Speaker 1: the information ecosystem in order to make a profit. And
Speaker 1: he is will he does not care that it's killing people. Um,
Speaker 1: and he him through the shredder. That's my best guiety idea.
Speaker 1: I've been saying it for years, the largest shredder available.
Speaker 1: I think. Actually what you should do is exclusively let
Speaker 1: him hang out in a room with his biggest fans.
Speaker 1: Make him live with them, and he has to listen
Speaker 1: to all of their opinions, no matter how long winded
Speaker 1: they are, which they all are. COVID from them, and
Speaker 1: he hust to let them cough on him again. Brett
Speaker 1: is claiming to be censored and shipped. He was not censored.
Speaker 1: He broke incredibly permissive policies that YouTube has set by
Speaker 1: literally stating on air that i ever Metton was quote
Speaker 1: something like a dcent effective at stopping you catching COVID,
Speaker 1: which it is not, Which it is not. They're made.
Speaker 1: We may find when conclusive results come in that i
Speaker 1: ever Metton has a medical case use for COVID nineteen.
Speaker 1: There is a non distinctly non zero chance of that um,
Speaker 1: perhaps even a decent one, that it has specific uses
Speaker 1: in eatment um. It is not a percent effect if
Speaker 1: at stopping you catching COVID. It's just not. You know why.
Speaker 1: Some of the people who listen to Brett Weinstein are
Speaker 1: dead now. So of course Brett is now doing the
Speaker 1: canceled truth tellers circuit. Barry Weiss compared him getting demonetized
Speaker 1: and having videos removed from YouTube to a book burning
Speaker 1: um quote, how have we gotten to the point we're
Speaker 1: having conversations about important scientific and medical subjects require such
Speaker 1: a high level of personal risk. How have we accepted
Speaker 1: a reality which big tech can carry out the digital
Speaker 1: equivalent of book burnings? And why is it that so
Speaker 1: few people are speaking up against the status quo. Also,
Speaker 1: by the way, Barry, Weiss and Brett would all have
Speaker 1: been huge fans of the original Nazi book burnings because
Speaker 1: those were deliberately targeting the healthcare of trans people. Um Anyway,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has acted as a significant amplifier of Weinstein's nonsense.
Speaker 1: In an episode with comedian Dave Smith, Rogan said that
Speaker 1: he'd been listen thing to Weinstein and Hyans advice on ivermectin.
Speaker 1: In the same episode, he said that COVID vaccines weren't
Speaker 1: necessarily for most people, and that getting them was just
Speaker 1: virtue signaling for a lot of us. Quote, if you're
Speaker 1: like twenty one years old and you say to me,
Speaker 1: should I get vaccinated? I'll go no now. In his defense,
Speaker 1: Rogan later called himself a fucking moron for this, which is,
Speaker 1: to be fair, an unequivocal statement of fact, that that
Speaker 1: was a stupid fucking thing that he said. The problem
Speaker 1: is that, again, a hundred million people listened to those
Speaker 1: fucking shows. How many of them made healthcare decisions based
Speaker 1: on what you said earlier and maybe didn't catch the
Speaker 1: other thing right Like I found Jordan Peterson tweeting about
Speaker 1: ivermectin and stuff, and he tweets both the positive and
Speaker 1: the negative studies. Guess which one gets twice as many
Speaker 1: likes and retweets, Like, dude, it's I look, I say
Speaker 1: this as a comedian. Don't fucking listen to us. We
Speaker 1: don't unless we have unless there's footnotes, unless there's ship
Speaker 1: that is like demonstrably but like there, I don't know
Speaker 1: this whole, Like it's just not true, Like don't try.
Speaker 1: Why would you trust someone who makes a living monetizing
Speaker 1: their opinions. That's like the worst, It's impossible. It drives
Speaker 1: me up a wall anytime someone like they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: comedians are the philosophers, and they're like, no, they're they're not. No,
Speaker 1: they monetize their opinions. That are kind of funny sometimes
Speaker 1: like that, you know what. He also had a three
Speaker 1: minute bit about a twelve year old girl's genitals. Maybe
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have listened to any of them that much,
Speaker 1: Like there's so like it's none of it age as well,
Speaker 1: it's not based it's like by design, not based in fact,
Speaker 1: unless they're working in some other fucking capacity, Like why
Speaker 1: obviously Joe Rogan doesn't know what he's talking about. Like
Speaker 1: then his job description that he states his opinions for money.
Speaker 1: I wondered extent. You know, Jamie, you and I both
Speaker 1: worked at Cracked for different periods of time and different
Speaker 1: checks chunks. We both we both cash them checks from
Speaker 1: the old place. Um. And a big part of cracks
Speaker 1: business model was like getting people to pay attention to
Speaker 1: fact based articles, to like to learn things by kind
Speaker 1: of wrapping them in comedy. Um, boy howdy, there isn't
Speaker 1: a day that goes by that. I don't wonder did
Speaker 1: that do more harm than good in the end, because
Speaker 1: obviously we weren't doing this kind of ship. We were
Speaker 1: not giving people healthcare advice about like telling them how
Speaker 1: to take vaccines. But the broader trend of like well,
Speaker 1: it's like it's the same with the John Stewart stuff,
Speaker 1: right the Daily Show, where it's like, well, this is
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote better news than the real news,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, no, it's not. It. Maybe
Speaker 1: it maybe better news than what talking heads on like
Speaker 1: twenty four hour news channels give you. Sure it may
Speaker 1: be better than like different news anchors, but also what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Is that journalism. They're just reading from a
Speaker 1: fucking pro about actual journalism, Like it's not that's a
Speaker 1: different brand of monetizing your opinions. Like the problem is
Speaker 1: so drawt and it's not a right wing problem. The
Speaker 1: right wing has monetized and most effectively and used it
Speaker 1: most effectively to derail human civilization. But it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a human problem and part of the problem like fundamentally
Speaker 1: a big part of the issue that like, if somebody
Speaker 1: makes you laugh, you listen to them because we like
Speaker 1: to laugh. Like sure, I mean we're beneficiaries of that, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And there's definitely people who think that I know things
Speaker 1: that I do not know I am. I am a legitimate,
Speaker 1: recognized expert on on two things. One of them is
Speaker 1: how extremist groups use the Internet to recruit and radicalize people,
Speaker 1: and the other is how not to die while taking
Speaker 1: weird research chemicals that you bought off of a Canadian
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical website and anything else that I tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: not an expert. Um, you can ask me about cathy comics,
Speaker 1: and you can ask me about the history of Chucky cheese, animatronics,
Speaker 1: anything else. It's and I don't even I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: say that I'm like an expert on mensa. I have
Speaker 1: experience with them, I've researched them, but it's I can't
Speaker 1: claim to be the main expert on that. That's a
Speaker 1: very large issue that you saying. That has made me
Speaker 1: decide to make you my primary healthcare provider. Now, how
Speaker 1: much cancer should I have removed? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: some of it's gould to keep, right, you want to
Speaker 1: have some in there just so you don't get lazy, right, Well,
Speaker 1: I like to think of keeping some in there as
Speaker 1: a memory. Yeah. The science of memories is uh is
Speaker 1: very under researched, and I would say that I'm an
Speaker 1: expert in in memories. You want to keep your physical
Speaker 1: ailments in you just about like two or three percent,
Speaker 1: and you do run the risk of them growing and
Speaker 1: hurting you, But don't you wouldn't you be sadder if
Speaker 1: you lost the memory? Absolutely? See, this is the kind
Speaker 1: of hard getting medical advice that podcasts were invented to give.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's it's it's so it's so frustrating
Speaker 1: that this is happening at the end, and at some
Speaker 1: point it's like I feel like Joe Rogan has reached
Speaker 1: this level of cognitive dissonance where he has to tell
Speaker 1: himself that it's you know, not causing the clear harm
Speaker 1: that it's that it's causing because it's like too late
Speaker 1: on his career trajectory to start backpedaling it. That he's
Speaker 1: you know, platforming really dangerous people and has been for
Speaker 1: basically the entire run of his show. I wonder how
Speaker 1: much he thinks about it, because I I fucking do
Speaker 1: a lot, Janie, and I don't try not like I
Speaker 1: don't give people health care advice unless I'm literally reading
Speaker 1: here is the medically recognized advice here, Like with a vaccine,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you to get the vaccine because there's an
Speaker 1: overwhelming preponderance of evidence that it it saves lives. UM.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's stuff like we did a Bill
Speaker 1: Gates episode, right, and I fucked up a fact in it,
Speaker 1: which was this UM this this circumcision program that I
Speaker 1: still think has some kind of gross undertones. But I
Speaker 1: was wrong about a lot of the negatives of that
Speaker 1: UM and I kind of got I found the source
Speaker 1: that was not UM that I should have vetted more properly,
Speaker 1: and I recorded a correction. We put it up in
Speaker 1: the episode, but by god, there's still people who will
Speaker 1: like make jokes about that part of the episode that
Speaker 1: makes me think they didn't catch the correction. Um, And
Speaker 1: that is which minor compared to showing people not to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. But it's still like, sure it should worry,
Speaker 1: but did you do this? Yeah, I mean it's it
Speaker 1: is um And I feel like the nature of and
Speaker 1: this isn't even a criticism of Joe Brogan. I mean
Speaker 1: it's this is like the nature of podcasts and the
Speaker 1: nature of a lot of whatever. Like I can't think
Speaker 1: of a less like a worst term in the on
Speaker 1: the planet, but like content creation in general, is that
Speaker 1: there is such a pressure on people to release so
Speaker 1: much so quickly that it's like it's inevitably there's going
Speaker 1: to be stuff that isn't carefully vetted enough because of
Speaker 1: the capitalistic demand for there to be more and more
Speaker 1: and more of it. And it's I mean the amount
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just think of the sheer amount
Speaker 1: of information and just like stuff that Joe Rogan releases
Speaker 1: into the world in a single week, there's no way
Speaker 1: that it could be properly vetted there's not enough time
Speaker 1: to properly vet a show like that, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: then maybe there's an issue with how it's being done.
Speaker 1: I don't, but but there's such a clear incentive for
Speaker 1: him to do that that maybe that makes it worth
Speaker 1: the cognitive dissidence that he's clearly hurting people. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's a real problem, Jamie. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't know. This is this is like the
Speaker 1: biggest moral laundry within my my own life, my own
Speaker 1: personal ethics. Like I'm way less worried about the ethics
Speaker 1: of me personally driving a fucking car that burns gasoline,
Speaker 1: and I am worried about the ethics of life we
Speaker 1: got behind the Bastard's got like five and a half
Speaker 1: million downloads last month, right, and then another one point. Well,
Speaker 1: but I'm something up And depending on what you funk up,
Speaker 1: it can permanently alter someone's the way people think about
Speaker 1: the world. And I'm not trying to be arrogant there.
Speaker 1: I have people talk to me about the influence things
Speaker 1: that I've said have had on them, and I think
Speaker 1: it's generally been positive. Like it's often someone being like
Speaker 1: I was, you know, on the alt right or whatever
Speaker 1: and like the night, and so I feel fine about that,
Speaker 1: but like you don't actually know what impact you're having
Speaker 1: on all them, because maybe it's more subtled for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Maybe you say something off handedly that
Speaker 1: is inaccurate, and for whatever reason, it causes someone to
Speaker 1: make a choice they wouldn't eitherwise have made and they're
Speaker 1: not even aware of it. Because when you're producing content
Speaker 1: at that kind of scale, to that kind of that
Speaker 1: many people, I don't know, we should all be more
Speaker 1: concerned about what we're doing for a living. I guess
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. I mean it's like we're certainly like
Speaker 1: not above this criticism in any way. It's something that
Speaker 1: like I think about all the time where it's I mean,
Speaker 1: we're we're above it, and that neither you or I
Speaker 1: or pretending or giving people a vice on taking unregulated
Speaker 1: and unapproved medications to treat a pandemic. We are better
Speaker 1: than them, I will say that, Yeah, we're better than
Speaker 1: the people that are killing people. But that but what
Speaker 1: a low bar to clear. I think about that a lot,
Speaker 1: where it's like there's time there's times that people have
Speaker 1: like I don't know, or just sort of you hear
Speaker 1: someone's takeaway from your work repeated back to you, and
Speaker 1: just like I've had moments where someone has said something
Speaker 1: to me of like well when I heard that you
Speaker 1: did this, I was like, oh wow, and and it
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's not really what I was saying.
Speaker 1: That's not really what I was saying, but that's what
Speaker 1: you took away. And that's kind of the the risk
Speaker 1: that you take when you release shipped into the world.
Speaker 1: Like it's just I don't know, I mean with obviously
Speaker 1: not a new problem, but on this like scale and
Speaker 1: in this way, it it really uh is it stressful? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's made me. Unfortunately, the most influential people on the
Speaker 1: planet don't give a ship. So there you go. Yep,
Speaker 1: so there you They don't think about this at all
Speaker 1: unless they're thinking. So this was a long digression, but
Speaker 1: I think a necessary one. Um. I want to get
Speaker 1: back to that episode. Rogan did the Emergency episode with Weinstein,
Speaker 1: Weinstein and Dr Pierre Corey Um where they talked about
Speaker 1: how and one of the things they talked about they
Speaker 1: brought up a lot of bad science, including the what
Speaker 1: was it the fucking um um This one of the
Speaker 1: studies we broke down earlier UM, but one of the
Speaker 1: things that Corey talked about in that episode was that
Speaker 1: the virus had been quote eradicated in monkey kidney cells
Speaker 1: in a lab test UH and the cells. The kidney
Speaker 1: cells that they had used are called varo cells, which
Speaker 1: are used by virologists in research UM, including some early
Speaker 1: research into hydroxy larkin last year. But as Wired reported
Speaker 1: in increasing evidence suggests that varrow cells actually might be
Speaker 1: a terrible thing to use for studying treatments to coronavirus
Speaker 1: is in this way. Quote. Human lung cells contain at
Speaker 1: least two different enzymes that can help the virus sneak
Speaker 1: through their membranes. With vario cells, however, only one of
Speaker 1: those modes of entry is available, and it turns out
Speaker 1: to be the one that hydroxy chlorine will block. Pullman
Speaker 1: and his team publish the results in the journal Nature
Speaker 1: on July twenty two. For him, it's a clear example
Speaker 1: of while using human lung cells is really important in
Speaker 1: studying this pandemic virus, varrow cells should be handled with caution.
Speaker 1: Pullman says, it's true that the varo cells are very popular,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately for this particular aspect of COVID nineteen research.
Speaker 1: They are absolutely not useful. I think this is now
Speaker 1: clear to the field. And that's again part of the issue.
Speaker 1: What Corey is saying isn't a lie. You couldn't prosecute
Speaker 1: him for it or like take his medical license. It's
Speaker 1: true that there was a study where they eliminated COVID
Speaker 1: the nineteen and monkey kidney cells in the lab test
Speaker 1: using i've ever met. The problem is that when you
Speaker 1: actually look in varo cells in their use in COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen virology research, they're very flawed. And that's not what
Speaker 1: you're getting in that fucking Joe Rogan episode. And it's
Speaker 1: a thing that it's very frustrated um. In conversations with Rogan,
Speaker 1: Weinstein Pup pushed the extremely successful line of claiming that
Speaker 1: iver mectin is being suppressed as a treatment because it's
Speaker 1: not profitable. You have a drug that's good enough to
Speaker 1: in the pandemic at any point you wanted. Who decides
Speaker 1: to prioritize business interests ahead of that? I find it
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. He speculated that the pharmaceutical industry has
Speaker 1: corrupted the system of approving new drugs and that because
Speaker 1: there's no profit to be made from ivermectin, it's being
Speaker 1: ignored or smothered now. During their emergency episode discussion, Dr
Speaker 1: Pierre Corey backed Weinstein up in this line of reasoning,
Speaker 1: claiming no one is going to fund pharmaceutical trials around
Speaker 1: i've emectin. No one, he said, is championing i've e
Speaker 1: mectin except for my little group of nonprofit doctors. I
Speaker 1: can't say they're not nonprofit. I'm not. Really, my little
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not making money. That's how nonprofits work. Yeah, yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: Okay that was that gave me a migraine. Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: what he said is just objectively untrue. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are funding pharmaceutical trials around ivermectin. A study from
Speaker 1: Spain was published earlier this year that showed no difference
Speaker 1: in outcomes as a result of ivermectin use. Oxford University
Speaker 1: just announced that they would be studying ivermacton as part
Speaker 1: of a massive study on COVID treatments. There have been
Speaker 1: a bunch of studies on ivermectin which are very like
Speaker 1: have a lot of disputing, like different kind of results
Speaker 1: to them, but like it's not. It's not being ignored,
Speaker 1: it's being studied. You're just demanding that people come to
Speaker 1: a conclusion about it before the actual science is there,
Speaker 1: because you're a grifter. Now, it's worth noting that the
Speaker 1: main manufacturer of iver macton Um has also warned people
Speaker 1: against taking their medicine from cod that they recently announced
Speaker 1: that their own product has quote no scientific basis for
Speaker 1: a potential therapeutic effect against COVID nineteen from pre clinical trials,
Speaker 1: no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in
Speaker 1: patients with COVID nineteen disease, and a concerning lack of
Speaker 1: safety data. And I'm not one to go to bat
Speaker 1: for big pharma, but they have a profit motive in
Speaker 1: they would make a lot of money by pretending otherwise.
Speaker 1: Um right, So yeah, it's it's like, I don't even
Speaker 1: think it's going too bad for big Farma to say that.
Speaker 1: The fact that they it was this series of an
Speaker 1: issue that yeah, from a like game check, like what
Speaker 1: else do you need to hear? Please stop taking our
Speaker 1: horse medicine for covid? So right, right, they don't do
Speaker 1: that very often. They're not one to pass on a check.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the flcc in the intellectual dark web
Speaker 1: so far. But there's one last bad actor in the
Speaker 1: Iramicton story that I should probably explain, an organization called
Speaker 1: America's Frontline Doctors. These cats came onto the scene in
Speaker 1: July when a group of them gave a press conference
Speaker 1: on the steps of the Supreme Court urging people to
Speaker 1: take hydroxy clerk wine. They claimed that the mental toll
Speaker 1: of the lockdowns was worse than the virus, which by
Speaker 1: that point had killed several hundred thousand Americans. While the
Speaker 1: FLCCC started their public careers by making serious medical claims
Speaker 1: that wound up being very valid, the a f l
Speaker 1: D was bogus from the get go. They timed their
Speaker 1: coming out speech to coincide with a major push President
Speaker 1: Trump made to convince governors to reopen states. The basic
Speaker 1: idea was that hydroxy clerklin was all the medicine American
Speaker 1: needed to reopen. This was patently absurd, and the medical
Speaker 1: community responded accordingly. From time quote, to the extent that
Speaker 1: the mainstream medical community paid attention to the group at all,
Speaker 1: it was to point out that these doctors making the
Speaker 1: statements lacked the expertise to comment. There was no evidence
Speaker 1: that any of the doctors who spoke that day had
Speaker 1: treated patients severely ill with the virus. According to MedPage Today,
Speaker 1: a peer reviewed medical news site, none of them were
Speaker 1: infectious disease experts or worked in intensive care units during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. One was best known for promoting bizarre religious beliefs,
Speaker 1: including tweeting that American needed deliverance from demon sperm because
Speaker 1: people were falling ill from having sex with demons and
Speaker 1: witches in their dreams. Two of the front line, two
Speaker 1: of them were ophthalmologists, only one of which was still
Speaker 1: licensed the emergence. Yeah, so again f l C c C.
Speaker 1: These are more credible doctors. But just because someone says
Speaker 1: it's an organization of doctors, dig a little deeper. You
Speaker 1: know who else? Were all doctors? The guys prescribing people
Speaker 1: in l A marijuana back in the mid odds, and
Speaker 1: most of them were day drunk while doing it. They
Speaker 1: were not doing medicine. They were giving us access to pot,
Speaker 1: which it is fine, but it wasn't medicine, which is
Speaker 1: it's a victimless crime, but it's so. The quote from
Speaker 1: Time the emergence of a f l D was a
Speaker 1: coordinated political effort months in the making. The group was
Speaker 1: the brainchild of the Council for National Policy, a secretive
Speaker 1: network of conservative activists. During a May eleventh call of
Speaker 1: CNP members that was leaked to the Center for Media
Speaker 1: and Democracy, a progressive watchdog, group members complained that Trump
Speaker 1: was being slammed for his handling of the pandemic, including
Speaker 1: failing to follow scientific guidelines. The group needed their own
Speaker 1: medical professionals to promote their message, they said, in the
Speaker 1: face of data showing two thirds of Americans were wary
Speaker 1: of restarting the economy, so very much an AstroTurf sort
Speaker 1: of thing to to justify a reopening, you know, at
Speaker 1: the cost of people's lives. Nancy Schultzer, republican activist, had
Speaker 1: spoken up during this call and hinted at the existence
Speaker 1: of the a f l D. Quote, there was a
Speaker 1: coalition of doctors who were extremely pro Trump that have
Speaker 1: been preparing and coming together for a war ahead in
Speaker 1: the campaign on healthcare, and these doctors could be activated
Speaker 1: for this conversation. Now, get it's all out there. All
Speaker 1: of this is public information. Obviously they're talking about they're
Speaker 1: talking about this like they're fucking like deep frozen Marvel
Speaker 1: heroes that they could be activated for a that's just yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, frozen Marvel hero Jamie who, the
Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast all crash landed
Speaker 1: into the Arctic while trying to something to do World
Speaker 1: War two? Right? Do they have good butts? Do they
Speaker 1: have good butts? It's incredible sometimes talking about Chris Evans here, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about we're talking about but from as look,
Speaker 1: nobody's you know, there's a lot of scientific debate about
Speaker 1: round Iver Mecton. Ain't no debate around Chris evans Is ass. No,
Speaker 1: that's a there's some things that bring people together, and
Speaker 1: Chris Evans's ass is one of those things exactly, and
Speaker 1: a cure for COVID nineteen. Anyway, Roberts what, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's spreading the rumor that Chris Evans,
Speaker 1: what would you does his like? And I don't want
Speaker 1: to destroy his ass for fake science. The good news
Speaker 1: about Chris Evans's ass is that I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to continue this joke. So obvious we're back,
Speaker 1: and obviously scientific evidence eventually made it clear that hydroxy
Speaker 1: clorkman is not a miracle cure. We got our vaccines.
Speaker 1: Trump lost the election, and the virus kept mutating because
Speaker 1: of a bunch of people refused to wait to get
Speaker 1: vaccinated before going on in public and also to get vaccine. Anyway,
Speaker 1: whatever it happened, you know the story, listener. The a
Speaker 1: f l D continued to shift and change to offer
Speaker 1: effective disinformation at every stage of the pandemic. At the start,
Speaker 1: the group's leader, Dr Simone Bold had focused on the
Speaker 1: danger of the lockdown and minimize the deadliness of COVID.
Speaker 1: Once hundreds of thousands of people were dead, she pivoted
Speaker 1: to claiming that hydroxy clorkman could save lives and in
Speaker 1: the pandemic, the a f l d s videos were
Speaker 1: regular really shown on info Wars, and the group partnered
Speaker 1: with the right wing conspiracy theorist named Jerome Corsi to
Speaker 1: sell prescriptions for hydroxy poor quin via a sketchy tele
Speaker 1: medicine site. In January, Dr Gold took part in the
Speaker 1: January sixth insurrection. The A f l D sent emails
Speaker 1: to their begging for urgent and generous donations to withstand
Speaker 1: such aggressive assaults from the ruthless enemies of free speech.
Speaker 1: They raised nearly half a million dollars for Gold's legal defense.
Speaker 1: I know it's rad right, Oh my god, it's good. Okay,
Speaker 1: just keep reading this. The al spent the spring and
Speaker 1: early summer engaging in predictable grifts. They held a national
Speaker 1: RV tour, which sold v I P tickets for a
Speaker 1: thousand bucks a pop to meet Dr Gold complaints. On
Speaker 1: the l a f l D telegram channel, they could
Speaker 1: clear that these appearances were regularly canceled at the last minute.
Speaker 1: One user in Cleveland wrote on June twenty two that
Speaker 1: hundreds of US registered and received no information or cancelation notice,
Speaker 1: to which the a f l D monitors responded the
Speaker 1: events could quote continue only when everyone donates what they
Speaker 1: hand monthly. Just a fucking grift. With the luster off
Speaker 1: of hydroxy corkland, the A f l D focus of
Speaker 1: messaging on just being anti vax for a while. They
Speaker 1: called the vaccines experimental biological agents and blamed them for
Speaker 1: forty five thousand deaths. All of this was pretty bog
Speaker 1: standard stuff, and the A f l D was honestly
Speaker 1: languishing a little behind the pack in terms of COVID
Speaker 1: disinformation until ivermectin came onto the scene. When it did,
Speaker 1: the A f l D turned out to have the
Speaker 1: best infrastructure in place to take advantage of it because
Speaker 1: they had been They had this telemedicine network, They had
Speaker 1: these deals with like companies with pharmacies and whatnot through
Speaker 1: a telemedicine network to prescribe people hydroxy corkland, and they
Speaker 1: were able to just pivot that ship to getting people
Speaker 1: prescriptions for ivermectin, And they had a hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: thousand followers on their telegram channels to sell shipped. To
Speaker 1: quote from Time, two pharmacists told Time they were alarmed
Speaker 1: when they noticed an odd surgeon I ever met in
Speaker 1: prescriptions called in by telemedicine doctors in recent weeks. We're
Speaker 1: calling it the second coming of hydroxy poor quint. When
Speaker 1: pharmacist in Maine says noting he had seen prescriptions come
Speaker 1: in from quack telehealth prescribers in Texas, Florida, Illinois, and California,
Speaker 1: it's wild to me and other pharmacists I've talked to
Speaker 1: you how people won't get a vaccine that is well
Speaker 1: tolerated and effective because it's experimental, but they'll take a
Speaker 1: dose of ipromectin that's been extrapolated based on weight from
Speaker 1: equine veterinary guidelines. On social media, a f l D
Speaker 1: is one of the top organizations steering customers to the
Speaker 1: de warming medication as a coronavirus treatment. On its website,
Speaker 1: people looking for COVID nineteen medicine are told to click
Speaker 1: on the link labeled contact a Physician and pay ninety
Speaker 1: dollars for a consultation. The link takes customers to another website,
Speaker 1: Speak with an m D, where they're asked to submit
Speaker 1: payment information and told one of the frontline doctors will
Speaker 1: call them within a few days, with sick patients being prioritized.
Speaker 1: The group describes this is the same process that you, like,
Speaker 1: get your dog to be able to go on a
Speaker 1: plane with you an emotional support dog system, whereas your
Speaker 1: just give someone a hundred dollars and then you get
Speaker 1: to do what you want for base stically no reason
Speaker 1: or to not have to pay sorry to like get
Speaker 1: your dog into a building, which is fine. So the
Speaker 1: service they use is called Encore Telemedicine, which is one
Speaker 1: of a bunch of different services that purports to connect
Speaker 1: patients to doctors who can write prescriptions. A lot of
Speaker 1: perfectly legitimate services do this. I've gotten prescriptions for allergy
Speaker 1: meds and the like renew it this way. But the
Speaker 1: doctor I do telemedicine through was also a real doctor
Speaker 1: that I visited in person since two Well, yeah, my
Speaker 1: doctor offers you can do like follow up visits and
Speaker 1: stuff via zoom and stuff during the pandemic, and so
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I believe you're visiting a real doctor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for that, I'm visiting a real doctor. When I went
Speaker 1: ketemy and I go to a Mexican veterinary well actually
Speaker 1: usually just to feed supply story. They sell it O
Speaker 1: TC over there. Rot. Do you want some ketamine? Jamie?
Speaker 1: Want not today? I mean give me a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Say your friend's dog has nerve pain. Oh, I've h
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. You're doing what you're
Speaker 1: doing what all those boys in high school tried to
Speaker 1: do to be It's funny because I went with a friend, Uh,
Speaker 1: well he tried to get ketamine first, allegedly. Uh. And
Speaker 1: they wouldn't sell him ketamine because he's like tattoos his
Speaker 1: own hands and just looked like the kind of person
Speaker 1: who was trying to buy drugs from Mexican veterinary store.
Speaker 1: And I just like memorized how to say. I think
Speaker 1: it was Mi amigos pero es delores de nervos katemino portovore,
Speaker 1: which crudely means my friend's dog has nerve pain. Can
Speaker 1: you give me some ketamine? And by god it worked
Speaker 1: every time? That is, how can you get medicine for
Speaker 1: your friend's dog? That makes no sense? Uh? You know what,
Speaker 1: I know you didn't fool Yeah, So anyway, since two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Encore has been run from a golf club
Speaker 1: in suburban Georgia, so not a real doctor. About as
Speaker 1: legitimate as my ability to get Academy prescriptions written from
Speaker 1: Encore go through Ravcup, a digital pharmacy in Florida whose
Speaker 1: address Time describes as quote a dilapidated white structure by
Speaker 1: a strip mall. Rev coup calls in prescription orders to
Speaker 1: local pharmacy sounds like a fake name. Like either fake
Speaker 1: name is even bad m it's good ship um. When
Speaker 1: the service switched over to selling prescriptions for ivermectin, Time
Speaker 1: notes their telegram channels for complaints about the service quote.
Speaker 1: Many users call the arrangement a fraud. Still no drugs
Speaker 1: as has prescribed, have not heard from their pharmacy. Very disappointing,
Speaker 1: wrote one user on telegram August first. It took my
Speaker 1: money though, definitely feels like a scam. That same day,
Speaker 1: another frustrated customer wrote, you tell us the vaccine producers
Speaker 1: are getting rich office. Seems like you are doing very
Speaker 1: well yourselves. Yeah, maybe follow that line of thought, buddy.
Speaker 1: Other supporters who had been promised they speak to a
Speaker 1: f l DS trained physicians were upset when the doctor
Speaker 1: pressed them to get the vaccine during a paid phone consultation.
Speaker 1: Not happy at all with that. But one woman who
Speaker 1: said her doctor's telemedicine doctor had told her to get
Speaker 1: vaccinated in addition to prescribing iver medon, I felt I
Speaker 1: could trust them not to push the vaccine. Severely disappointed.
Speaker 1: He's giving you the drugs like come on. Dozens of
Speaker 1: messages reviewed by Time were from people with sick family
Speaker 1: members who were begging for a f l d S
Speaker 1: to escalate their cases. A woman named Cynthia, who had
Speaker 1: paid the fee ninety dollars is a lot for us,
Speaker 1: she said, wrote that she had never been called back.
Speaker 1: Please help, my husband is sick and it looks like
Speaker 1: he does have a hard time breathing. Moderators for the
Speaker 1: A f l D s group on Telegram have tried
Speaker 1: to claim that issues with the service or the fault
Speaker 1: of the CDC, who they say have carried out a
Speaker 1: blockade on iver mecton. When clients complain about failing to
Speaker 1: received services once their physician fee is paid, a f
Speaker 1: l D claims that this is out of their hands
Speaker 1: quote because of hippa. But there is no blockade of ivermectin.
Speaker 1: The simple reality is that all these groups have so
Speaker 1: thoroughly fucked the information ecosystem around COVID that people have
Speaker 1: bought up every pill, dip and paste body they can find,
Speaker 1: while Joe Rogan and others like him get the prescribed
Speaker 1: human version of the drug. Desperate people who believe the
Speaker 1: f l C, C c R, A f l D
Speaker 1: or Brett Weinstein often wound up self medicating with fucking
Speaker 1: sheep dip. And this brings us to Facebook. Of all
Speaker 1: the things we've talked about, most of the ivermectin Facebook
Speaker 1: stuff is not a grift. It's the result of guys
Speaker 1: at the top, like Dr Corey and Weinstein spreading vaccine
Speaker 1: distrust in vague bullshit about ivermectin and institutions like the
Speaker 1: a f l D being unable to provide prescriptions for
Speaker 1: most of their clients. A lot of people who believe
Speaker 1: the ship are too poor to use these service as anyway,
Speaker 1: so they turn to veterinary medicine and so and because
Speaker 1: like they're trying to figure out how to use it, right,
Speaker 1: they want advice they can't afford to use any of
Speaker 1: these other services. They get on Facebook groups, right, These
Speaker 1: are not There are grifters in these groups. There are
Speaker 1: people who like scan for just like what random medications
Speaker 1: people are telling you to to take on Facebook and
Speaker 1: then buy them up to sell them and stuff like
Speaker 1: that does happen. But most of these people just think
Speaker 1: they're protecting their family and are very bad at vetting information. Um.
Speaker 1: So there's a shipload of these ivermected Facebook groups. Some
Speaker 1: of them have tens of thousands of members. More pop
Speaker 1: up every day. Vice did a solid investigation where they
Speaker 1: looked at several of these groups and quote in another
Speaker 1: group with more than two thousand members, an administrator focused
Speaker 1: Wednesday on updated protocols from the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical
Speaker 1: Care Alliance the FLCCC, the administrator wrote, is as of
Speaker 1: this week advising people to take two to three times
Speaker 1: as much iver mectin as it had previously recommended for
Speaker 1: early treatment of COVID. Members of the group studied charts
Speaker 1: and attempt to find out just how much they would
Speaker 1: need to squirrel away. And yet another group, which has
Speaker 1: twenty six thousand members and promotes itself as a medical team,
Speaker 1: a user who had just tested positive for COVID, asked
Speaker 1: for help. I tested positive this afternoon, day two of symptoms,
Speaker 1: she wrote, and I literally cleaned out my pharmacy supply
Speaker 1: of ever mecton and I only have enough for two
Speaker 1: doses until Friday. I'm one pill short of each dose
Speaker 1: from my weight. Basically, I have to skip a day
Speaker 1: and I can only have one dose accurately weight based
Speaker 1: until I get more on Friday. Should I take one
Speaker 1: full weight based dose and one less than weight based
Speaker 1: or two equal doses both the same amount. Either way,
Speaker 1: I have to skip a whole day, which is disappointing.
Speaker 1: Users advised her to frontload her dosing from maximum efficacy.
Speaker 1: Facebook's rules officially prohibit this sort of thing. You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to sell fake cures for COVID or make claims
Speaker 1: that are unfounded COVID treatments. But the reality is that
Speaker 1: the sheer size of Facebook makes moderation impossible and they
Speaker 1: don't really try. Um. When Vice brought specific groups up
Speaker 1: to Facebook, those groups were removed. But I ever, meta
Speaker 1: aficionados keep creating new slang terms to use for the
Speaker 1: medication in order to evade sensors. We saw this with
Speaker 1: like the Boogloo boys going with big Igloo or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: it's just how this ship works. In these groups, people
Speaker 1: don't just provide each other with advice on how to
Speaker 1: acquire and take ivor macdon. They provide emotional support for
Speaker 1: what they believe as an unfair crusade against what doctor
Speaker 1: Corey calls a wonder drug. Quote help a person posted
Speaker 1: to a Facebook group laying out the particulars of how
Speaker 1: a family member hospitalized with COVID nineteen was being treated
Speaker 1: with oxygen, antibiotics, steroids and expectorants. He's going downhill fast.
Speaker 1: They're not willing to give him iver mecdon. Why do
Speaker 1: hospitals not allowed treatment of iver mecdin. I still can't
Speaker 1: wrap my mind around it. Another distressed person who described
Speaker 1: their father being hospitalized with COVID nineteen posted to a
Speaker 1: Facebook group is it straight up money? Later, this person
Speaker 1: updated their post. I just talked to the doctor with
Speaker 1: all the bad news. I asked him about iver mecdin.
Speaker 1: He said the words that will haunt me forever, iver
Speaker 1: mecton as a quack. This fucking doctor trolled me as
Speaker 1: he's telling me my dad is dying. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: M hmm. It's rough ship now when taken as direct excuse, Jamie,
Speaker 1: ivermectin is actually a very safe drug if you are
Speaker 1: taking it the way it is supposed to be taken
Speaker 1: and taking it for things that it helps with. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a very safe drug, but many of these people
Speaker 1: are just buying horse paste and taking crude calculations again,
Speaker 1: like the FLCCC just tripled how much they recommend you
Speaker 1: say overdoses of ivor mactan are becoming increasingly common and
Speaker 1: have a variety of side effects from blurred vision, dizziness, hallucinations,
Speaker 1: lung issues, comas, and seizures. According to the CDC, there
Speaker 1: has been a three increase in calls to poison centers
Speaker 1: this year and a fivefold increase from the baseline in July,
Speaker 1: and most of that is believed to be resulting from
Speaker 1: ib mactin use. In Mississippi, at least thirteen people called
Speaker 1: poison control if you're taking iver mactin in a single month.
Speaker 1: Sevent of those calls from people who ingested veterinary forms
Speaker 1: of the drug, and like as I. After I finished
Speaker 1: this episode, there were new articles one patients overdosing on
Speaker 1: ivry mactan are backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals and ambulances
Speaker 1: from news for UM. Yeah, Dr Gellia said that patients
Speaker 1: are packing his Eastern and Southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking
Speaker 1: I ever met indoses meant for a full size horse. UM.
Speaker 1: The e r s are so backed up that gunshot
Speaker 1: victims are having hard times getting to facilities where they
Speaker 1: can get definitive care and treated. So that's fu UM.
Speaker 1: And there's another one. It's just yeah, I've met in.
Speaker 1: Poison control calls increased in Minnesota in mid COVID nineteen pandemic. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I won't even read a quote. It just keeps happening.
Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's increasingly common. Um, So yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: and and and the fact that this is even happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I don't know, the Facebook group
Speaker 1: uh posts, those are so fucking stark, And it's like,
Speaker 1: in order to even and I'm I guess I'm speaking
Speaker 1: strictly to Americans specifically, or you know, people from rich
Speaker 1: countries that have plenty of fucking vaccines, um that it's
Speaker 1: like this in order to be engaging really firmly with
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff, you've already been sold
Speaker 1: and convinced of several bills of lies like this, The
Speaker 1: iver imacting thing is several layers deep, and things that
Speaker 1: you already needed to have believed in order to get
Speaker 1: to the point where this would be sold to you
Speaker 1: as an idea of hope and an idea of of
Speaker 1: of handling disease. It's just, God, it's terrible. It's terrible
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't know, it's when stories like this,
Speaker 1: it always it's hard because it's like they're whatever. People
Speaker 1: are firing off tweets that are objectively funny about ship
Speaker 1: like this. But then when you when you hear comments
Speaker 1: like that and you hear specific things, it's like those.
Speaker 1: It's just like several layers of coercion and desperateness that
Speaker 1: lead to the way people the way people are acting
Speaker 1: and putting themselves in their families at risk. Like it's
Speaker 1: just talking off so things I learned. So I just
Speaker 1: mentioned blurred vision isn't common overdose side effect and ivermectin.
Speaker 1: Because of this, a lot of people in these Facebook
Speaker 1: groups are not telling each other that you know it's
Speaker 1: working when your vision gets blurred. That now people are
Speaker 1: giving themselves river blindness. It's amazing. Um, there's I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go in and read these, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of reports of people pooping what they think are
Speaker 1: worms and now they're convincing themselves like, oh, I've got
Speaker 1: parasites and what's actually happening. We talked about this in
Speaker 1: the Bleached Drinking Church episode, where like parents are forced
Speaker 1: to bleached to their artistic kids to cure it, and
Speaker 1: they see that they're like passing all of these these
Speaker 1: they're they're full of parasites. They're passing these worms. It's
Speaker 1: intestinal lining. They're shifting out the landing of their intestines
Speaker 1: because they put so much poison into their fucking bodies. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just without it's like as I'm talking about Yeah, yeah, hm,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's a lot of what we
Speaker 1: were talking amote in part one and also now is
Speaker 1: is like it to me? And I'm not an expert
Speaker 1: in in this in any way, but it seems like
Speaker 1: a lot of the issues with autism anti vaxers was
Speaker 1: that they read a bunch of bullshit studies that were
Speaker 1: not proven, and we're later redacted, but it didn't matter
Speaker 1: because the damage had already been done and it's like
Speaker 1: that same exact pattern is present here. Yeah, and when
Speaker 1: that study gets redacted, that's just proof that the deep
Speaker 1: state censorship. Yeah. Ship anyway, Jamie, how you feeling? That's
Speaker 1: the episode? Oh man demolished? How are you? Oh? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: I think I might get back out onto my Lana.
Speaker 1: I pick a couple of tomatoes, you know. Oh yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: as long as you're as as long as you're on
Speaker 1: the Lanai consuming your produce that I think that you know,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be fine. I've got to go. I've got
Speaker 1: to go take five rain pills and sweat in a
Speaker 1: freezing cold room. That idea sounds like we're doing yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's the new golden standard for all comedians. We have
Speaker 1: to do it or we'll never work in this town again.
Speaker 1: That this town being Austin, Texas, of course, mhm, the
Speaker 1: only town, in my opinion, Jamie, where can the good
Speaker 1: people on the internet find you other than Austin, Texas
Speaker 1: where you are no longer allowed? After I was, I
Speaker 1: was banished, I was banished. Listen I sweat too good?
Speaker 1: I posed a threat. Uh, you can find you can
Speaker 1: listen to Act casts. That's my podcast about Kathy comics
Speaker 1: and twentieth century American feminism. You can listen to the
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. You can listen and anything you want. It's
Speaker 1: not my business. Uh, you can follow me on social
Speaker 1: media if you can find me. That is, Listen all
Speaker 1: of Jamie's shows. Just do it, Hey, listen to all
Speaker 1: my shows. They're great. I'm not yeah, produced every single
Speaker 1: one of them, even a little. And check out appearance
Speaker 1: on the Joe Rogan podcast where I get advice on
Speaker 1: how to learn how to drive with your eyes closed,
Speaker 1: because you know, big farmers trying to convince people that
Speaker 1: you need to look at the road like a cock,
Speaker 1: but real close their eyes and let Look, Luke Skywalker
Speaker 1: didn't need his eyes to blow up the Death Star.
Speaker 1: You don't need your eyes to drunk drive down to
Speaker 1: the seven eleven to get more white cloth. Damn, look
Speaker 1: on that note, I'm gonna go let my mattress eat
Speaker 1: my ass. Live your truth. Thanks. Uh This this at
Speaker 1: cool Zone media at bastards Pot. Okay, bye right