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Speaker 1: Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that's a podcast

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Speaker 1: legally supposed to that, Jamie, There's no getting around it.

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Speaker 1: This is absolutely this is a podcast where a man

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Speaker 1: in an animal onesie depresses me over zoom, a man

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Speaker 1: in an animal onesie who also bragged about eating fresh

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Speaker 1: grapes during our little break. I kind of liked that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what I watch the Golden Girls, Jamie, Oh wait, what

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Speaker 1: do you say that? I do? Know? What did is? Now? Wow? Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's good. That's good Golden Girls. You know, people say

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Speaker 1: they learned nothing from Golden Girls except um, you know,

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Speaker 1: amazing sex tips. I learned a lot about Golden Girls

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Speaker 1: from you did. It's the biggest lesson you would say

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Speaker 1: you learned from the Golden Girl, Robert, is it always

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Speaker 1: your grapes? If you've killed somebody and you need to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the body, you don't want to use

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Speaker 1: a normal hack saw, right, You want to use like ideally,

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Speaker 1: like a reciprocating saw of some sort. And then the

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Speaker 1: other problem you're gonna have, Right, you can't just chop

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Speaker 1: the body up and then deal with the pieces. Ship's

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Speaker 1: gonna spray, so you're gonna have to cover a wide

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Speaker 1: hilarious scene. I didn't learn that from the show, but

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Speaker 1: I did learn that from one of the Golden Girls

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Speaker 1: when we killed together. I learned that from the Jinks.

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Speaker 1: That's another perfect murder in the Jinks. Well, really, speaking

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Speaker 1: of murder, do you want to continue talking about this topic? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Um so, Jamie? Yes? What is a podcast? Oh? What? Oh? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's where a series of sort of charismatic but maybe

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Speaker 1: not that charismatic group of Charlatan's. Uh sell you a mattress? Oh, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up mattress is because Casper Mattress

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Speaker 1: has a new offer right now. Really, the only way

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Speaker 1: that finally the mattress that eats your ass, because I've

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Speaker 1: been waiting exactly at Jamie. It is the mattress that

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Speaker 1: eats ass, whether you ask for it or not. This

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Speaker 1: mattress doesn't ask consent. It just goes for it. See that,

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Speaker 1: I It just goes for it. Just there's so many

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Speaker 1: scenarios where that is going to be a problem. Well, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: if you want the mattress that asks for consent before

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Speaker 1: eating your ass, then you want a perfect distress. That's

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Speaker 1: the purple The purple matters checks. I've heard that its

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Speaker 1: purple mattress very considerate leves for it. Now what the

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Speaker 1: purple mattress great at consent? Checks can't talk about emotions.

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Speaker 1: The casper really emotionally open and has access to pretty

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Speaker 1: good ketamine, so so the pup. So the purple mattress

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Speaker 1: is cheaper, but you you will have to pay for it.

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Speaker 1: In terms of dragging it to to therapy. You're definitely

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Speaker 1: not going to get it to therapy easily. And again,

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Speaker 1: the casper has access to cheap ketamine. So that's the

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Speaker 1: great thing about happen Jamie. If you want a mattress

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Speaker 1: that eat your ass, you have a choice, and that's

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Speaker 1: what makes this the best system in the world. Are

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Speaker 1: you glad that we got this sorted out? Because I've

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Speaker 1: been sometimes there's just questions that you know that your

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Speaker 1: friend will be able to answer for you, but you

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Speaker 1: just don't really know how to like start the conversation.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can't call text you saying which mattress

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Speaker 1: eats the best ass? But I know you knew answer,

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Speaker 1: you know, But we have choice. That's what's beautiful we

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Speaker 1: have in Venezuela. You're lucky if you get one mattress

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Speaker 1: that eats your ass M and I we're very lucky

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Speaker 1: here we get to choose our ass eating mattresses. And

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Speaker 1: you know what else we get in America? Jamie loftus,

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Speaker 1: what is this metaphor? What? What? Oh? Wait, yes, now

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, Joe Rogan. Yes, yes, and

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Speaker 1: you get a choice too. You can either listen to

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan give you inappropriate healthcare advice, or you can

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Speaker 1: just not listen to him and be quietly affected by

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Speaker 1: everything he says, because his influence is so great that

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Speaker 1: even if you don't like him personally, epidemic rates uh,

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Speaker 1: that will affect you and potentially derail your life. Will

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Speaker 1: will still I don't know. Here's a clip of Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan announcing that he's tested positive for COVID nineteen got

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Speaker 1: tested and turns out I got COVID. So we immediately

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Speaker 1: through the kitchen sank out of all kinds of meds,

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Speaker 1: monoclonal antibodies, iver mect ins, pack uh, pregnizone, everything. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep it on a loop, baby. So this is God?

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Speaker 1: Also from why is this a thing with like gen

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Speaker 1: You know? The more so easy to catch a better angle,

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Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, But the shittier the angle, the more

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Speaker 1: it looks authentic. I guess. Yeah. Oh, that's how Joe

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Speaker 1: Rogan tells us he's one of us. He's one of us.

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Speaker 1: He's one of us, just with an extra or so

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Speaker 1: million dollars Jamie sick. Yeah. If you're a person with

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Speaker 1: a reasonable grasp on observable reality, you will note that

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Speaker 1: Joe wrote in there specified that he'd used his rich

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Speaker 1: person powers to take every available treatment, and some of

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Speaker 1: those treatments are real medicines. Monoclonal antibodies absolutely do some

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Speaker 1: I think. But monoclonal antibodies probably not necessary for him.

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Speaker 1: But if you have actually do get sick, can be

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Speaker 1: very helpfully than life saving saving. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: the data suggests that iver mectin probably doesn't again not

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Speaker 1: solid solidified yet we may find that there's some treatment

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Speaker 1: case for it yet in the future, but certainly not

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Speaker 1: the same amount of evidence that there is for monoclonal antibodies. Now,

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Speaker 1: being a healthy guy with access to the best healthcare

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Speaker 1: on the planet, Joe was always likely to survive COVID

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Speaker 1: without much of an issue. And again he may have

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Speaker 1: But because he took iver bactic alongside everything else, his

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Speaker 1: example is going to spur huge numbers of people who

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Speaker 1: can't afford monoclonal antibodies or around the clock medical observation,

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Speaker 1: but can afford to go down to the fucking feed store.

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Speaker 1: And that's again part of the problem, right. This is

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Speaker 1: how the intellectual dark web launders deadly misinformation, because if

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Speaker 1: you were to hold Joe's feet to the fire on this,

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Speaker 1: he would say, well, look, I didn't say take ivermectin

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Speaker 1: if you're sick. I said, we're going to do all

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Speaker 1: of the different things. You know, we tried everything. We

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Speaker 1: tried all of the different medications. Um, And if question,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he would also explain that his iver mectin

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Speaker 1: treat with lonxiety. YadA, YadA, YadA. But again, a lot

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Speaker 1: ivermectin m It's great. So yeah, it's good, Jamie, We're

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Speaker 1: not good again. This is why the world is domed. So.

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Speaker 1: The Intellectual dark Web or i d W is a

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Speaker 1: term that was quote coined by a guy named Eric

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Speaker 1: nothing against corn, either the food or the band. So

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Speaker 1: it gets embarrassing. I think Jamie and I are agreed.

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Speaker 1: The concept of music is cringe. Honestly, I'm glad someone

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Speaker 1: a small room. Come on, no one asked about your feelings. York.

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Speaker 1: god Smack Jonathan Godsmack has as much of a right

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Speaker 1: the good word of god Smack. It's because they're from Massachusetts?

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Speaker 1: They defined these as cancel culture would be a big one.

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Speaker 1: I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to

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Speaker 1: buck it. So. Eric Weinstein, who named the I d W,

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Speaker 1: He got famous when he resigned in two thousand seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Over the school's yearly day of absence. In years passed,

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Speaker 1: probably the primary non medical source of irrational iver mect

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Speaker 1: okay hm. So Brett and his wife left on the

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Speaker 1: my house, poison me in my sleep. That is that

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Speaker 1: is why we get up. She's like one of four

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Speaker 1: people that I really like. You can find my You

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Speaker 1: can find my address in the show notes. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: the only show note we still publish because Jamie law

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Speaker 1: This is a dressed in a series of recent photo

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Speaker 1: dress come to the duplex I live in. There's no

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Speaker 1: air conditioner and it's very hot, but please don't please.

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Speaker 1: You'll notice, Jamie that we haven't laid any clips of

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Speaker 1: from Brett's YouTube videos. This is because YouTube has started

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Speaker 1: removing his content that discusses ever mected in vaccines. A

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Speaker 1: week or so before I wrote this, Weinstein tweeted YouTube

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Speaker 1: just demonetized both dark Horse channels, wiping out more than

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Speaker 1: half of our family income. Their message dropped the science

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Speaker 1: and stick to the narrative or else. So a bevy

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Speaker 1: of right wing and generally oppositional defiant thought leaders spoke

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Speaker 1: up in Brett Weinstein's defense. These included Matt Taiebe, whose

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Speaker 1: recent turn has really bumped me out being a fan

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Speaker 1: of his earlier work. Matt wrote an article titled meet

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Speaker 1: the censored Brett Weinstein quote, as detailed in why has

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Speaker 1: I ever met? In become a dirty word? Weinstein is

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Speaker 1: on the version becoming one of the more prominent casualties

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Speaker 1: to a censorship movement that it's hard not to see

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Speaker 1: as part of a whier evergreening of America. He's referring

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Speaker 1: to the college that that Brett left because he was

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Speaker 1: being a baby. Yeah, that's where he got he had

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Speaker 1: to resign from because he didn't want to walk out

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Speaker 1: during anyway. It was he made nothing into a big

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Speaker 1: deal because he's a fucking baby like all of these

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Speaker 1: fun Yeah, that's the m O, right. You know what

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Speaker 1: happens when people ask me to do stuff I don't

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Speaker 1: want to do. I I just quietly go don't do it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't make a big deal about it, because

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Speaker 1: because why would you, Like, you don't want to you

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Speaker 1: don't want to leave campus during the day when they

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Speaker 1: ask the white people to leave, Just do keep doing

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Speaker 1: your thing, suck it like, you don't have to make

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Speaker 1: a big deal about it and it'll go away. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to. You don't have to make everything.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be a baby about everything. But

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Speaker 1: if you are a baby about specifically things that the

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Speaker 1: left does, then you'll make millions of dollars becoming a

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Speaker 1: right wing thought leader, which is why he's done it.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't believe anything fun all these people the thought

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Speaker 1: leader is such a meaningless her. I just yeah, every

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Speaker 1: every element of uh this man's being is disgusting to me.

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Speaker 1: Um uh so. Bill Maher also came to Brett's defense,

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Speaker 1: along with of course, Barry Weiss, glid Greenwald and busy

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Speaker 1: on She's on Bill Maher all the time. It's the

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Speaker 1: most effective Republican working today at it. And it's so

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Speaker 1: funny because Barry Weiss, in her first article in the

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Speaker 1: id W is like, I hope they get a handle

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Speaker 1: on grifters and people spreading misinformation, but of course when

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Speaker 1: they actually do that, she defends them to the fucking

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Speaker 1: hill because she's also wait, not the grifters, I like,

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00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: makes eight hundred grand year writing shitty sub stack articles

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Speaker 1: about how canceled she is. No who is read by

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Speaker 1: these None of these fucking people actually suffer consequences. They

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Speaker 1: just wind about the consequences they're not suffering because they're

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Speaker 1: fucking babies. Fucking hate all these people. So um Ben

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Speaker 1: Shapiro aimed breadths demonetization on the increasingly sensorious laughed Weinstey

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Speaker 1: took the Odyssey an alternative YouTube replacement for canceled people,

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Speaker 1: but the reality is that he has not been at

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Speaker 1: all censored. YouTube's policies on iver Mectin are extremely liberal,

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Speaker 1: as this quote from Vice makes clear, and I think

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Speaker 1: this is by Anna Merlin. She's done a lot of

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Speaker 1: the best reporting on the ivermectin stuff. Yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: her a lot um quote. Weinstein's tweets called the YouTube

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Speaker 1: decision an assault on science. But according to YouTube, even

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Speaker 1: materials that advocate for the use of unproven COVID treatments

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Speaker 1: like iver mectin or hydroxy clerquin would be allowed, so

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Speaker 1: long as there's some nod to the fact that medical

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Speaker 1: and health authorities worldwide don't currently recommend them as a

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Speaker 1: COVID treatment. Ivermectin as an anti parasite and has been

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Speaker 1: widely and safely used in both humans and animals for

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Speaker 1: that purpose for decades, among other things. As an example,

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Speaker 1: the company pointed to a January video from Dr Mike Hanson,

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Speaker 1: an internist and pulmonologist, who said he was cautiously optimistic

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Speaker 1: about iver mecton as a treatment option, but acknowledged that

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Speaker 1: the studies conducted on it up to that point weren't

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Speaker 1: numerous or necessarily high quality. You see, Brett was not

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Speaker 1: demonetized for being a truth teller. He was demonetized because

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Speaker 1: YouTube's policies. You can say, hey, ivermectin white might work.

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Speaker 1: You can even you can even tell people things that

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Speaker 1: might leave most of them to take ivermectin as long

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Speaker 1: as you're saying, hey, this isn't proven yet and the

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Speaker 1: studies are very much inconclusive. Right, there's you can talk

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Speaker 1: about iver emecton, you can talk about remcting research. You

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Speaker 1: can't say it's a wonder drug that works better than

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Speaker 1: the vaccines, because that's a fucking lie that will get

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Speaker 1: people killed. Brett, you fucking idiot. Um, He's not an idiot.

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Speaker 1: He's very good at making a lot of money in

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Speaker 1: a very specific evil. No, it's like he's he knows

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Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing. Like he's he's very cannily manipulating

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Speaker 1: the information ecosystem in order to make a profit. And

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Speaker 1: he is will he does not care that it's killing people. Um,

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Speaker 1: and he him through the shredder. That's my best guiety idea.

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00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: I've been saying it for years, the largest shredder available.

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Speaker 1: I think. Actually what you should do is exclusively let

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Speaker 1: him hang out in a room with his biggest fans.

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Speaker 1: Make him live with them, and he has to listen

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Speaker 1: to all of their opinions, no matter how long winded

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Speaker 1: they are, which they all are. COVID from them, and

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00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: he hust to let them cough on him again. Brett

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00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: is claiming to be censored and shipped. He was not censored.

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Speaker 1: He broke incredibly permissive policies that YouTube has set by

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Speaker 1: literally stating on air that i ever Metton was quote

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Speaker 1: something like a dcent effective at stopping you catching COVID,

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00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: which it is not, Which it is not. They're made.

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Speaker 1: We may find when conclusive results come in that i

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Speaker 1: ever Metton has a medical case use for COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: There is a non distinctly non zero chance of that um,

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Speaker 1: perhaps even a decent one, that it has specific uses

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00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: in eatment um. It is not a percent effect if

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Speaker 1: at stopping you catching COVID. It's just not. You know why.

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00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Some of the people who listen to Brett Weinstein are

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Speaker 1: dead now. So of course Brett is now doing the

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Speaker 1: canceled truth tellers circuit. Barry Weiss compared him getting demonetized

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Speaker 1: and having videos removed from YouTube to a book burning

543
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: um quote, how have we gotten to the point we're

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00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: having conversations about important scientific and medical subjects require such

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00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: a high level of personal risk. How have we accepted

546
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: a reality which big tech can carry out the digital

547
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: equivalent of book burnings? And why is it that so

548
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: few people are speaking up against the status quo. Also,

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00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: by the way, Barry, Weiss and Brett would all have

550
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: been huge fans of the original Nazi book burnings because

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00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: those were deliberately targeting the healthcare of trans people. Um Anyway,

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00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has acted as a significant amplifier of Weinstein's nonsense.

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00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: In an episode with comedian Dave Smith, Rogan said that

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Speaker 1: he'd been listen thing to Weinstein and Hyans advice on ivermectin.

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00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: In the same episode, he said that COVID vaccines weren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily for most people, and that getting them was just

557
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: virtue signaling for a lot of us. Quote, if you're

558
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: like twenty one years old and you say to me,

559
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: should I get vaccinated? I'll go no now. In his defense,

560
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: Rogan later called himself a fucking moron for this, which is,

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00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: to be fair, an unequivocal statement of fact, that that

562
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: was a stupid fucking thing that he said. The problem

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00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: is that, again, a hundred million people listened to those

564
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: fucking shows. How many of them made healthcare decisions based

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00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: on what you said earlier and maybe didn't catch the

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00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: other thing right Like I found Jordan Peterson tweeting about

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Speaker 1: ivermectin and stuff, and he tweets both the positive and

568
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Speaker 1: the negative studies. Guess which one gets twice as many

569
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: likes and retweets, Like, dude, it's I look, I say

570
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: this as a comedian. Don't fucking listen to us. We

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Speaker 1: don't unless we have unless there's footnotes, unless there's ship

572
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: that is like demonstrably but like there, I don't know

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00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: this whole, Like it's just not true, Like don't try.

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00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: Why would you trust someone who makes a living monetizing

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00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: their opinions. That's like the worst, It's impossible. It drives

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00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: me up a wall anytime someone like they're like, oh,

577
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: comedians are the philosophers, and they're like, no, they're they're not. No,

578
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: they monetize their opinions. That are kind of funny sometimes

579
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: like that, you know what. He also had a three

580
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Speaker 1: minute bit about a twelve year old girl's genitals. Maybe

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00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have listened to any of them that much,

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00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Like there's so like it's none of it age as well,

583
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: it's not based it's like by design, not based in fact,

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00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: unless they're working in some other fucking capacity, Like why

585
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: obviously Joe Rogan doesn't know what he's talking about. Like

586
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: then his job description that he states his opinions for money.

587
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I wondered extent. You know, Jamie, you and I both

588
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: worked at Cracked for different periods of time and different

589
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: checks chunks. We both we both cash them checks from

590
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: the old place. Um. And a big part of cracks

591
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: business model was like getting people to pay attention to

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00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: fact based articles, to like to learn things by kind

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Speaker 1: of wrapping them in comedy. Um, boy howdy, there isn't

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Speaker 1: a day that goes by that. I don't wonder did

595
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 1: that do more harm than good in the end, because

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00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: obviously we weren't doing this kind of ship. We were

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00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: not giving people healthcare advice about like telling them how

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00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: to take vaccines. But the broader trend of like well,

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's the same with the John Stewart stuff,

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Speaker 1: right the Daily Show, where it's like, well, this is

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Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote better news than the real news,

602
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, no, it's not. It. Maybe

603
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Speaker 1: it maybe better news than what talking heads on like

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00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: twenty four hour news channels give you. Sure it may

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00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: be better than like different news anchors, but also what

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00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: they're doing. Is that journalism. They're just reading from a

607
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: fucking pro about actual journalism, Like it's not that's a

608
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: different brand of monetizing your opinions. Like the problem is

609
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: so drawt and it's not a right wing problem. The

610
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Speaker 1: right wing has monetized and most effectively and used it

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00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: most effectively to derail human civilization. But it's it's it's

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00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: a human problem and part of the problem like fundamentally

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00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: a big part of the issue that like, if somebody

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Speaker 1: makes you laugh, you listen to them because we like

615
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: to laugh. Like sure, I mean we're beneficiaries of that, absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And there's definitely people who think that I know things

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Speaker 1: that I do not know I am. I am a legitimate,

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00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: recognized expert on on two things. One of them is

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Speaker 1: how extremist groups use the Internet to recruit and radicalize people,

620
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: and the other is how not to die while taking

621
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: weird research chemicals that you bought off of a Canadian

622
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical website and anything else that I tell you, I'm

623
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: not an expert. Um, you can ask me about cathy comics,

624
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: and you can ask me about the history of Chucky cheese, animatronics,

625
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: anything else. It's and I don't even I wouldn't even

626
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: say that I'm like an expert on mensa. I have

627
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: experience with them, I've researched them, but it's I can't

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Speaker 1: claim to be the main expert on that. That's a

629
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: very large issue that you saying. That has made me

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00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: decide to make you my primary healthcare provider. Now, how

631
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: much cancer should I have removed? Because I feel like

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Speaker 1: some of it's gould to keep, right, you want to

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Speaker 1: have some in there just so you don't get lazy, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I like to think of keeping some in there as

635
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: a memory. Yeah. The science of memories is uh is

636
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: very under researched, and I would say that I'm an

637
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: expert in in memories. You want to keep your physical

638
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: ailments in you just about like two or three percent,

639
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: and you do run the risk of them growing and

640
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: hurting you, But don't you wouldn't you be sadder if

641
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: you lost the memory? Absolutely? See, this is the kind

642
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: of hard getting medical advice that podcasts were invented to give.

643
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: It's just like it's it's it's so it's so frustrating

644
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: that this is happening at the end, and at some

645
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: point it's like I feel like Joe Rogan has reached

646
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: this level of cognitive dissonance where he has to tell

647
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: himself that it's you know, not causing the clear harm

648
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: that it's that it's causing because it's like too late

649
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: on his career trajectory to start backpedaling it. That he's

650
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: you know, platforming really dangerous people and has been for

651
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: basically the entire run of his show. I wonder how

652
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: much he thinks about it, because I I fucking do

653
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot, Janie, and I don't try not like I

654
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: don't give people health care advice unless I'm literally reading

655
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: here is the medically recognized advice here, Like with a vaccine,

656
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you to get the vaccine because there's an

657
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: overwhelming preponderance of evidence that it it saves lives. UM.

658
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: But you know, there's stuff like we did a Bill

659
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: Gates episode, right, and I fucked up a fact in it,

660
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: which was this UM this this circumcision program that I

661
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: still think has some kind of gross undertones. But I

662
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: was wrong about a lot of the negatives of that

663
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: UM and I kind of got I found the source

664
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: that was not UM that I should have vetted more properly,

665
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: and I recorded a correction. We put it up in

666
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: the episode, but by god, there's still people who will

667
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: like make jokes about that part of the episode that

668
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: makes me think they didn't catch the correction. Um, And

669
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: that is which minor compared to showing people not to

670
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. But it's still like, sure it should worry,

671
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: but did you do this? Yeah, I mean it's it

672
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: is um And I feel like the nature of and

673
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: this isn't even a criticism of Joe Brogan. I mean

674
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: it's this is like the nature of podcasts and the

675
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: nature of a lot of whatever. Like I can't think

676
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: of a less like a worst term in the on

677
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: the planet, but like content creation in general, is that

678
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: there is such a pressure on people to release so

679
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: much so quickly that it's like it's inevitably there's going

680
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: to be stuff that isn't carefully vetted enough because of

681
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: the capitalistic demand for there to be more and more

682
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: and more of it. And it's I mean the amount

683
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just think of the sheer amount

684
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: of information and just like stuff that Joe Rogan releases

685
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: into the world in a single week, there's no way

686
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: that it could be properly vetted there's not enough time

687
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: to properly vet a show like that, and it's like, well,

688
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: then maybe there's an issue with how it's being done.

689
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't, but but there's such a clear incentive for

690
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: him to do that that maybe that makes it worth

691
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: the cognitive dissidence that he's clearly hurting people. I don't know,

692
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's a real problem, Jamie. I mean,

693
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: I I don't know. This is this is like the

694
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: biggest moral laundry within my my own life, my own

695
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: personal ethics. Like I'm way less worried about the ethics

696
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: of me personally driving a fucking car that burns gasoline,

697
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: and I am worried about the ethics of life we

698
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: got behind the Bastard's got like five and a half

699
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: million downloads last month, right, and then another one point. Well,

700
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: but I'm something up And depending on what you funk up,

701
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: it can permanently alter someone's the way people think about

702
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: the world. And I'm not trying to be arrogant there.

703
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I have people talk to me about the influence things

704
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: that I've said have had on them, and I think

705
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: it's generally been positive. Like it's often someone being like

706
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: I was, you know, on the alt right or whatever

707
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: and like the night, and so I feel fine about that,

708
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: but like you don't actually know what impact you're having

709
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: on all them, because maybe it's more subtled for a

710
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of people. Maybe you say something off handedly that

711
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: is inaccurate, and for whatever reason, it causes someone to

712
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: make a choice they wouldn't eitherwise have made and they're

713
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: not even aware of it. Because when you're producing content

714
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: at that kind of scale, to that kind of that

715
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: many people, I don't know, we should all be more

716
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: concerned about what we're doing for a living. I guess

717
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah. I mean it's like we're certainly like

718
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: not above this criticism in any way. It's something that

719
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: like I think about all the time where it's I mean,

720
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: we're we're above it, and that neither you or I

721
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: or pretending or giving people a vice on taking unregulated

722
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: and unapproved medications to treat a pandemic. We are better

723
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: than them, I will say that, Yeah, we're better than

724
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: the people that are killing people. But that but what

725
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: a low bar to clear. I think about that a lot,

726
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: where it's like there's time there's times that people have

727
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: like I don't know, or just sort of you hear

728
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: someone's takeaway from your work repeated back to you, and

729
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: just like I've had moments where someone has said something

730
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: to me of like well when I heard that you

731
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: did this, I was like, oh wow, and and it

732
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's not really what I was saying.

733
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: That's not really what I was saying, but that's what

734
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: you took away. And that's kind of the the risk

735
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: that you take when you release shipped into the world.

736
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just I don't know, I mean with obviously

737
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: not a new problem, but on this like scale and

738
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: in this way, it it really uh is it stressful? Yeah,

739
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: it's made me. Unfortunately, the most influential people on the

740
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: planet don't give a ship. So there you go. Yep,

741
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: so there you They don't think about this at all

742
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: unless they're thinking. So this was a long digression, but

743
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: I think a necessary one. Um. I want to get

744
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: back to that episode. Rogan did the Emergency episode with Weinstein,

745
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: Weinstein and Dr Pierre Corey Um where they talked about

746
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: how and one of the things they talked about they

747
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: brought up a lot of bad science, including the what

748
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: was it the fucking um um This one of the

749
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: studies we broke down earlier UM, but one of the

750
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: things that Corey talked about in that episode was that

751
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: the virus had been quote eradicated in monkey kidney cells

752
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: in a lab test UH and the cells. The kidney

753
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: cells that they had used are called varo cells, which

754
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: are used by virologists in research UM, including some early

755
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: research into hydroxy larkin last year. But as Wired reported

756
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: in increasing evidence suggests that varrow cells actually might be

757
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: a terrible thing to use for studying treatments to coronavirus

758
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: is in this way. Quote. Human lung cells contain at

759
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: least two different enzymes that can help the virus sneak

760
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: through their membranes. With vario cells, however, only one of

761
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: those modes of entry is available, and it turns out

762
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: to be the one that hydroxy chlorine will block. Pullman

763
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: and his team publish the results in the journal Nature

764
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: on July twenty two. For him, it's a clear example

765
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: of while using human lung cells is really important in

766
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: studying this pandemic virus, varrow cells should be handled with caution.

767
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: Pullman says, it's true that the varo cells are very popular,

768
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: but unfortunately for this particular aspect of COVID nineteen research.

769
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: They are absolutely not useful. I think this is now

770
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: clear to the field. And that's again part of the issue.

771
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: What Corey is saying isn't a lie. You couldn't prosecute

772
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: him for it or like take his medical license. It's

773
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: true that there was a study where they eliminated COVID

774
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: the nineteen and monkey kidney cells in the lab test

775
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: using i've ever met. The problem is that when you

776
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: actually look in varo cells in their use in COVID

777
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: nineteen virology research, they're very flawed. And that's not what

778
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: you're getting in that fucking Joe Rogan episode. And it's

779
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: a thing that it's very frustrated um. In conversations with Rogan,

780
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Weinstein Pup pushed the extremely successful line of claiming that

781
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: iver mectin is being suppressed as a treatment because it's

782
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: not profitable. You have a drug that's good enough to

783
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: in the pandemic at any point you wanted. Who decides

784
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: to prioritize business interests ahead of that? I find it

785
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. He speculated that the pharmaceutical industry has

786
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: corrupted the system of approving new drugs and that because

787
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: there's no profit to be made from ivermectin, it's being

788
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: ignored or smothered now. During their emergency episode discussion, Dr

789
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Pierre Corey backed Weinstein up in this line of reasoning,

790
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: claiming no one is going to fund pharmaceutical trials around

791
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: i've emectin. No one, he said, is championing i've e

792
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: mectin except for my little group of nonprofit doctors. I

793
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: can't say they're not nonprofit. I'm not. Really, my little

794
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not making money. That's how nonprofits work. Yeah, yeah, boy,

795
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: Okay that was that gave me a migraine. Okay. Also,

796
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: what he said is just objectively untrue. A lot of

797
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: people are funding pharmaceutical trials around ivermectin. A study from

798
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: Spain was published earlier this year that showed no difference

799
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: in outcomes as a result of ivermectin use. Oxford University

800
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: just announced that they would be studying ivermacton as part

801
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: of a massive study on COVID treatments. There have been

802
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of studies on ivermectin which are very like

803
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of disputing, like different kind of results

804
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: to them, but like it's not. It's not being ignored,

805
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: it's being studied. You're just demanding that people come to

806
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: a conclusion about it before the actual science is there,

807
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: because you're a grifter. Now, it's worth noting that the

808
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: main manufacturer of iver macton Um has also warned people

809
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: against taking their medicine from cod that they recently announced

810
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: that their own product has quote no scientific basis for

811
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: a potential therapeutic effect against COVID nineteen from pre clinical trials,

812
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in

813
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: patients with COVID nineteen disease, and a concerning lack of

814
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: safety data. And I'm not one to go to bat

815
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: for big pharma, but they have a profit motive in

816
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: they would make a lot of money by pretending otherwise.

817
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Um right, So yeah, it's it's like, I don't even

818
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: think it's going too bad for big Farma to say that.

819
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: The fact that they it was this series of an

820
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: issue that yeah, from a like game check, like what

821
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: else do you need to hear? Please stop taking our

822
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: horse medicine for covid? So right, right, they don't do

823
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: that very often. They're not one to pass on a check.

824
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: We've talked about the flcc in the intellectual dark web

825
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: so far. But there's one last bad actor in the

826
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: Iramicton story that I should probably explain, an organization called

827
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: America's Frontline Doctors. These cats came onto the scene in

828
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: July when a group of them gave a press conference

829
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: on the steps of the Supreme Court urging people to

830
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: take hydroxy clerk wine. They claimed that the mental toll

831
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: of the lockdowns was worse than the virus, which by

832
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: that point had killed several hundred thousand Americans. While the

833
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: FLCCC started their public careers by making serious medical claims

834
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: that wound up being very valid, the a f l

835
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: D was bogus from the get go. They timed their

836
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: coming out speech to coincide with a major push President

837
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: Trump made to convince governors to reopen states. The basic

838
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: idea was that hydroxy clerklin was all the medicine American

839
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: needed to reopen. This was patently absurd, and the medical

840
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: community responded accordingly. From time quote, to the extent that

841
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: the mainstream medical community paid attention to the group at all,

842
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: it was to point out that these doctors making the

843
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: statements lacked the expertise to comment. There was no evidence

844
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: that any of the doctors who spoke that day had

845
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: treated patients severely ill with the virus. According to MedPage Today,

846
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Speaker 1: a peer reviewed medical news site, none of them were

847
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Speaker 1: infectious disease experts or worked in intensive care units during

848
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Speaker 1: the pandemic. One was best known for promoting bizarre religious beliefs,

849
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: including tweeting that American needed deliverance from demon sperm because

850
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: people were falling ill from having sex with demons and

851
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: witches in their dreams. Two of the front line, two

852
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: of them were ophthalmologists, only one of which was still

853
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: licensed the emergence. Yeah, so again f l C c C.

854
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: These are more credible doctors. But just because someone says

855
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: it's an organization of doctors, dig a little deeper. You

856
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: know who else? Were all doctors? The guys prescribing people

857
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: in l A marijuana back in the mid odds, and

858
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: most of them were day drunk while doing it. They

859
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: were not doing medicine. They were giving us access to pot,

860
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: which it is fine, but it wasn't medicine, which is

861
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: it's a victimless crime, but it's so. The quote from

862
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: Time the emergence of a f l D was a

863
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: coordinated political effort months in the making. The group was

864
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: the brainchild of the Council for National Policy, a secretive

865
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: network of conservative activists. During a May eleventh call of

866
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: CNP members that was leaked to the Center for Media

867
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: and Democracy, a progressive watchdog, group members complained that Trump

868
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: was being slammed for his handling of the pandemic, including

869
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: failing to follow scientific guidelines. The group needed their own

870
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: medical professionals to promote their message, they said, in the

871
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: face of data showing two thirds of Americans were wary

872
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: of restarting the economy, so very much an AstroTurf sort

873
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: of thing to to justify a reopening, you know, at

874
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: the cost of people's lives. Nancy Schultzer, republican activist, had

875
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: spoken up during this call and hinted at the existence

876
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Speaker 1: of the a f l D. Quote, there was a

877
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: coalition of doctors who were extremely pro Trump that have

878
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: been preparing and coming together for a war ahead in

879
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: the campaign on healthcare, and these doctors could be activated

880
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: for this conversation. Now, get it's all out there. All

881
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: of this is public information. Obviously they're talking about they're

882
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: talking about this like they're fucking like deep frozen Marvel

883
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: heroes that they could be activated for a that's just yeah,

884
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: but you know, okay, frozen Marvel hero Jamie who, the

885
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast all crash landed

886
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: into the Arctic while trying to something to do World

887
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: War two? Right? Do they have good butts? Do they

888
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: have good butts? It's incredible sometimes talking about Chris Evans here, right, yeah,

889
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: we're talking about we're talking about but from as look,

890
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: nobody's you know, there's a lot of scientific debate about

891
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: round Iver Mecton. Ain't no debate around Chris evans Is ass. No,

892
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: that's a there's some things that bring people together, and

893
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Chris Evans's ass is one of those things exactly, and

894
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: a cure for COVID nineteen. Anyway, Roberts what, I don't know.

895
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's spreading the rumor that Chris Evans,

896
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: what would you does his like? And I don't want

897
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: to destroy his ass for fake science. The good news

898
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: about Chris Evans's ass is that I don't know. I

899
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know how to continue this joke. So obvious we're back,

900
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: and obviously scientific evidence eventually made it clear that hydroxy

901
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: clorkman is not a miracle cure. We got our vaccines.

902
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Trump lost the election, and the virus kept mutating because

903
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: of a bunch of people refused to wait to get

904
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: vaccinated before going on in public and also to get vaccine. Anyway,

905
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: whatever it happened, you know the story, listener. The a

906
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: f l D continued to shift and change to offer

907
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: effective disinformation at every stage of the pandemic. At the start,

908
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: the group's leader, Dr Simone Bold had focused on the

909
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: danger of the lockdown and minimize the deadliness of COVID.

910
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: Once hundreds of thousands of people were dead, she pivoted

911
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: to claiming that hydroxy clorkman could save lives and in

912
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: the pandemic, the a f l d s videos were

913
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: regular really shown on info Wars, and the group partnered

914
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: with the right wing conspiracy theorist named Jerome Corsi to

915
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: sell prescriptions for hydroxy poor quin via a sketchy tele

916
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: medicine site. In January, Dr Gold took part in the

917
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: January sixth insurrection. The A f l D sent emails

918
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: to their begging for urgent and generous donations to withstand

919
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: such aggressive assaults from the ruthless enemies of free speech.

920
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: They raised nearly half a million dollars for Gold's legal defense.

921
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: I know it's rad right, Oh my god, it's good. Okay,

922
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: just keep reading this. The al spent the spring and

923
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: early summer engaging in predictable grifts. They held a national

924
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: RV tour, which sold v I P tickets for a

925
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: thousand bucks a pop to meet Dr Gold complaints. On

926
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: the l a f l D telegram channel, they could

927
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: clear that these appearances were regularly canceled at the last minute.

928
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: One user in Cleveland wrote on June twenty two that

929
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: hundreds of US registered and received no information or cancelation notice,

930
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: to which the a f l D monitors responded the

931
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: events could quote continue only when everyone donates what they

932
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: hand monthly. Just a fucking grift. With the luster off

933
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: of hydroxy corkland, the A f l D focus of

934
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: messaging on just being anti vax for a while. They

935
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: called the vaccines experimental biological agents and blamed them for

936
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: forty five thousand deaths. All of this was pretty bog

937
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: standard stuff, and the A f l D was honestly

938
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: languishing a little behind the pack in terms of COVID

939
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: disinformation until ivermectin came onto the scene. When it did,

940
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: the A f l D turned out to have the

941
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: best infrastructure in place to take advantage of it because

942
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: they had been They had this telemedicine network, They had

943
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: these deals with like companies with pharmacies and whatnot through

944
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: a telemedicine network to prescribe people hydroxy corkland, and they

945
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: were able to just pivot that ship to getting people

946
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: prescriptions for ivermectin, And they had a hundred and sixty

947
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: thousand followers on their telegram channels to sell shipped. To

948
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: quote from Time, two pharmacists told Time they were alarmed

949
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: when they noticed an odd surgeon I ever met in

950
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: prescriptions called in by telemedicine doctors in recent weeks. We're

951
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: calling it the second coming of hydroxy poor quint. When

952
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: pharmacist in Maine says noting he had seen prescriptions come

953
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: in from quack telehealth prescribers in Texas, Florida, Illinois, and California,

954
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: it's wild to me and other pharmacists I've talked to

955
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: you how people won't get a vaccine that is well

956
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: tolerated and effective because it's experimental, but they'll take a

957
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: dose of ipromectin that's been extrapolated based on weight from

958
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: equine veterinary guidelines. On social media, a f l D

959
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: is one of the top organizations steering customers to the

960
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: de warming medication as a coronavirus treatment. On its website,

961
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,959
Speaker 1: people looking for COVID nineteen medicine are told to click

962
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: on the link labeled contact a Physician and pay ninety

963
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: dollars for a consultation. The link takes customers to another website,

964
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: Speak with an m D, where they're asked to submit

965
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: payment information and told one of the frontline doctors will

966
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: call them within a few days, with sick patients being prioritized.

967
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: The group describes this is the same process that you, like,

968
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: get your dog to be able to go on a

969
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: plane with you an emotional support dog system, whereas your

970
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: just give someone a hundred dollars and then you get

971
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: to do what you want for base stically no reason

972
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: or to not have to pay sorry to like get

973
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: your dog into a building, which is fine. So the

974
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: service they use is called Encore Telemedicine, which is one

975
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: of a bunch of different services that purports to connect

976
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: patients to doctors who can write prescriptions. A lot of

977
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: perfectly legitimate services do this. I've gotten prescriptions for allergy

978
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: meds and the like renew it this way. But the

979
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: doctor I do telemedicine through was also a real doctor

980
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: that I visited in person since two Well, yeah, my

981
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: doctor offers you can do like follow up visits and

982
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: stuff via zoom and stuff during the pandemic, and so

983
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I believe you're visiting a real doctor. Yeah, yeah,

984
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: for that, I'm visiting a real doctor. When I went

985
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: ketemy and I go to a Mexican veterinary well actually

986
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: usually just to feed supply story. They sell it O

987
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: TC over there. Rot. Do you want some ketamine? Jamie?

988
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Want not today? I mean give me a couple of weeks.

989
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: Say your friend's dog has nerve pain. Oh, I've h

990
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. You're doing what you're

991
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: doing what all those boys in high school tried to

992
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: do to be It's funny because I went with a friend, Uh,

993
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: well he tried to get ketamine first, allegedly. Uh. And

994
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: they wouldn't sell him ketamine because he's like tattoos his

995
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: own hands and just looked like the kind of person

996
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: who was trying to buy drugs from Mexican veterinary store.

997
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: And I just like memorized how to say. I think

998
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: it was Mi amigos pero es delores de nervos katemino portovore,

999
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: which crudely means my friend's dog has nerve pain. Can

1000
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: you give me some ketamine? And by god it worked

1001
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: every time? That is, how can you get medicine for

1002
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: your friend's dog? That makes no sense? Uh? You know what,

1003
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: I know you didn't fool Yeah, So anyway, since two

1004
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Encore has been run from a golf club

1005
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: in suburban Georgia, so not a real doctor. About as

1006
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: legitimate as my ability to get Academy prescriptions written from

1007
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: Encore go through Ravcup, a digital pharmacy in Florida whose

1008
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: address Time describes as quote a dilapidated white structure by

1009
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: a strip mall. Rev coup calls in prescription orders to

1010
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: local pharmacy sounds like a fake name. Like either fake

1011
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: name is even bad m it's good ship um. When

1012
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: the service switched over to selling prescriptions for ivermectin, Time

1013
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: notes their telegram channels for complaints about the service quote.

1014
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Many users call the arrangement a fraud. Still no drugs

1015
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: as has prescribed, have not heard from their pharmacy. Very disappointing,

1016
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: wrote one user on telegram August first. It took my

1017
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: money though, definitely feels like a scam. That same day,

1018
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: another frustrated customer wrote, you tell us the vaccine producers

1019
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: are getting rich office. Seems like you are doing very

1020
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: well yourselves. Yeah, maybe follow that line of thought, buddy.

1021
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: Other supporters who had been promised they speak to a

1022
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: f l DS trained physicians were upset when the doctor

1023
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: pressed them to get the vaccine during a paid phone consultation.

1024
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: Not happy at all with that. But one woman who

1025
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: said her doctor's telemedicine doctor had told her to get

1026
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: vaccinated in addition to prescribing iver medon, I felt I

1027
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: could trust them not to push the vaccine. Severely disappointed.

1028
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: He's giving you the drugs like come on. Dozens of

1029
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: messages reviewed by Time were from people with sick family

1030
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: members who were begging for a f l d S

1031
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: to escalate their cases. A woman named Cynthia, who had

1032
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: paid the fee ninety dollars is a lot for us,

1033
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 1: she said, wrote that she had never been called back.

1034
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: Please help, my husband is sick and it looks like

1035
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: he does have a hard time breathing. Moderators for the

1036
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: A f l D s group on Telegram have tried

1037
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: to claim that issues with the service or the fault

1038
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: of the CDC, who they say have carried out a

1039
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: blockade on iver mecton. When clients complain about failing to

1040
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: received services once their physician fee is paid, a f

1041
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: l D claims that this is out of their hands

1042
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: quote because of hippa. But there is no blockade of ivermectin.

1043
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: The simple reality is that all these groups have so

1044
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: thoroughly fucked the information ecosystem around COVID that people have

1045
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: bought up every pill, dip and paste body they can find,

1046
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: while Joe Rogan and others like him get the prescribed

1047
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: human version of the drug. Desperate people who believe the

1048
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: f l C, C c R, A f l D

1049
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: or Brett Weinstein often wound up self medicating with fucking

1050
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: sheep dip. And this brings us to Facebook. Of all

1051
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: the things we've talked about, most of the ivermectin Facebook

1052
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: stuff is not a grift. It's the result of guys

1053
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: at the top, like Dr Corey and Weinstein spreading vaccine

1054
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: distrust in vague bullshit about ivermectin and institutions like the

1055
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: a f l D being unable to provide prescriptions for

1056
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: most of their clients. A lot of people who believe

1057
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: the ship are too poor to use these service as anyway,

1058
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: so they turn to veterinary medicine and so and because

1059
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: like they're trying to figure out how to use it, right,

1060
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: they want advice they can't afford to use any of

1061
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: these other services. They get on Facebook groups, right, These

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01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: are not There are grifters in these groups. There are

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: people who like scan for just like what random medications

1064
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: people are telling you to to take on Facebook and

1065
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: then buy them up to sell them and stuff like

1066
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: that does happen. But most of these people just think

1067
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: they're protecting their family and are very bad at vetting information. Um.

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01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: So there's a shipload of these ivermected Facebook groups. Some

1069
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: of them have tens of thousands of members. More pop

1070
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: up every day. Vice did a solid investigation where they

1071
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: looked at several of these groups and quote in another

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: group with more than two thousand members, an administrator focused

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: Wednesday on updated protocols from the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical

1074
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: Care Alliance the FLCCC, the administrator wrote, is as of

1075
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: this week advising people to take two to three times

1076
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: as much iver mectin as it had previously recommended for

1077
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: early treatment of COVID. Members of the group studied charts

1078
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: and attempt to find out just how much they would

1079
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: need to squirrel away. And yet another group, which has

1080
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: twenty six thousand members and promotes itself as a medical team,

1081
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: a user who had just tested positive for COVID, asked

1082
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: for help. I tested positive this afternoon, day two of symptoms,

1083
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: she wrote, and I literally cleaned out my pharmacy supply

1084
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: of ever mecton and I only have enough for two

1085
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: doses until Friday. I'm one pill short of each dose

1086
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: from my weight. Basically, I have to skip a day

1087
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: and I can only have one dose accurately weight based

1088
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: until I get more on Friday. Should I take one

1089
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: full weight based dose and one less than weight based

1090
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: or two equal doses both the same amount. Either way,

1091
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: I have to skip a whole day, which is disappointing.

1092
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: Users advised her to frontload her dosing from maximum efficacy.

1093
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: Facebook's rules officially prohibit this sort of thing. You're not

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01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: allowed to sell fake cures for COVID or make claims

1095
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: that are unfounded COVID treatments. But the reality is that

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01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: the sheer size of Facebook makes moderation impossible and they

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01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: don't really try. Um. When Vice brought specific groups up

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: to Facebook, those groups were removed. But I ever, meta

1099
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: aficionados keep creating new slang terms to use for the

1100
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: medication in order to evade sensors. We saw this with

1101
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: like the Boogloo boys going with big Igloo or whatever. Right,

1102
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: it's just how this ship works. In these groups, people

1103
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: don't just provide each other with advice on how to

1104
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: acquire and take ivor macdon. They provide emotional support for

1105
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: what they believe as an unfair crusade against what doctor

1106
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: Corey calls a wonder drug. Quote help a person posted

1107
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: to a Facebook group laying out the particulars of how

1108
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: a family member hospitalized with COVID nineteen was being treated

1109
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: with oxygen, antibiotics, steroids and expectorants. He's going downhill fast.

1110
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: They're not willing to give him iver mecdon. Why do

1111
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: hospitals not allowed treatment of iver mecdin. I still can't

1112
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: wrap my mind around it. Another distressed person who described

1113
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: their father being hospitalized with COVID nineteen posted to a

1114
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: Facebook group is it straight up money? Later, this person

1115
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: updated their post. I just talked to the doctor with

1116
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: all the bad news. I asked him about iver mecdin.

1117
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: He said the words that will haunt me forever, iver

1118
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: mecton as a quack. This fucking doctor trolled me as

1119
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: he's telling me my dad is dying. Oh my god.

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01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: M hmm. It's rough ship now when taken as direct excuse, Jamie,

1121
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: ivermectin is actually a very safe drug if you are

1122
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: taking it the way it is supposed to be taken

1123
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: and taking it for things that it helps with. Yes,

1124
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 1: it's a very safe drug, but many of these people

1125
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: are just buying horse paste and taking crude calculations again,

1126
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: like the FLCCC just tripled how much they recommend you

1127
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: say overdoses of ivor mactan are becoming increasingly common and

1128
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: have a variety of side effects from blurred vision, dizziness, hallucinations,

1129
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: lung issues, comas, and seizures. According to the CDC, there

1130
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: has been a three increase in calls to poison centers

1131
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: this year and a fivefold increase from the baseline in July,

1132
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: and most of that is believed to be resulting from

1133
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: ib mactin use. In Mississippi, at least thirteen people called

1134
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 1: poison control if you're taking iver mactin in a single month.

1135
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: Sevent of those calls from people who ingested veterinary forms

1136
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: of the drug, and like as I. After I finished

1137
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: this episode, there were new articles one patients overdosing on

1138
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: ivry mactan are backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals and ambulances

1139
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: from news for UM. Yeah, Dr Gellia said that patients

1140
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: are packing his Eastern and Southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking

1141
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: I ever met indoses meant for a full size horse. UM.

1142
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: The e r s are so backed up that gunshot

1143
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: victims are having hard times getting to facilities where they

1144
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: can get definitive care and treated. So that's fu UM.

1145
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: And there's another one. It's just yeah, I've met in.

1146
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: Poison control calls increased in Minnesota in mid COVID nineteen pandemic. Sorry,

1147
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: I won't even read a quote. It just keeps happening.

1148
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's increasingly common. Um, So yeah, and it's

1149
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: and and and the fact that this is even happening.

1150
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I don't know, the Facebook group

1151
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: uh posts, those are so fucking stark, And it's like,

1152
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: in order to even and I'm I guess I'm speaking

1153
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: strictly to Americans specifically, or you know, people from rich

1154
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: countries that have plenty of fucking vaccines, um that it's

1155
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: like this in order to be engaging really firmly with

1156
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff, you've already been sold

1157
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: and convinced of several bills of lies like this, The

1158
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: iver imacting thing is several layers deep, and things that

1159
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: you already needed to have believed in order to get

1160
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: to the point where this would be sold to you

1161
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: as an idea of hope and an idea of of

1162
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: of handling disease. It's just, God, it's terrible. It's terrible

1163
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: because it's like, I don't know, it's when stories like this,

1164
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 1: it always it's hard because it's like they're whatever. People

1165
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: are firing off tweets that are objectively funny about ship

1166
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: like this. But then when you when you hear comments

1167
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: like that and you hear specific things, it's like those.

1168
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: It's just like several layers of coercion and desperateness that

1169
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: lead to the way people the way people are acting

1170
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: and putting themselves in their families at risk. Like it's

1171
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: just talking off so things I learned. So I just

1172
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: mentioned blurred vision isn't common overdose side effect and ivermectin.

1173
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: Because of this, a lot of people in these Facebook

1174
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: groups are not telling each other that you know it's

1175
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: working when your vision gets blurred. That now people are

1176
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: giving themselves river blindness. It's amazing. Um, there's I'm not

1177
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: going to go in and read these, but there's a

1178
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: lot of reports of people pooping what they think are

1179
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: worms and now they're convincing themselves like, oh, I've got

1180
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: parasites and what's actually happening. We talked about this in

1181
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: the Bleached Drinking Church episode, where like parents are forced

1182
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: to bleached to their artistic kids to cure it, and

1183
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: they see that they're like passing all of these these

1184
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: they're they're full of parasites. They're passing these worms. It's

1185
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: intestinal lining. They're shifting out the landing of their intestines

1186
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: because they put so much poison into their fucking bodies. Um,

1187
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: it's just without it's like as I'm talking about Yeah, yeah, hm,

1188
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's a lot of what we

1189
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: were talking amote in part one and also now is

1190
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: is like it to me? And I'm not an expert

1191
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: in in this in any way, but it seems like

1192
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot of the issues with autism anti vaxers was

1193
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: that they read a bunch of bullshit studies that were

1194
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: not proven, and we're later redacted, but it didn't matter

1195
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: because the damage had already been done and it's like

1196
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: that same exact pattern is present here. Yeah, and when

1197
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: that study gets redacted, that's just proof that the deep

1198
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: state censorship. Yeah. Ship anyway, Jamie, how you feeling? That's

1199
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: the episode? Oh man demolished? How are you? Oh? Pretty good?

1200
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: I think I might get back out onto my Lana.

1201
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: I pick a couple of tomatoes, you know. Oh yeah, Well,

1202
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: as long as you're as as long as you're on

1203
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: the Lanai consuming your produce that I think that you know,

1204
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be fine. I've got to go. I've got

1205
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: to go take five rain pills and sweat in a

1206
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: freezing cold room. That idea sounds like we're doing yes, yes,

1207
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: it's the new golden standard for all comedians. We have

1208
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: to do it or we'll never work in this town again.

1209
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: That this town being Austin, Texas, of course, mhm, the

1210
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: only town, in my opinion, Jamie, where can the good

1211
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: people on the internet find you other than Austin, Texas

1212
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: where you are no longer allowed? After I was, I

1213
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: was banished, I was banished. Listen I sweat too good?

1214
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: I posed a threat. Uh, you can find you can

1215
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,839
Speaker 1: listen to Act casts. That's my podcast about Kathy comics

1216
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: and twentieth century American feminism. You can listen to the

1217
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. You can listen and anything you want. It's

1218
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: not my business. Uh, you can follow me on social

1219
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: media if you can find me. That is, Listen all

1220
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: of Jamie's shows. Just do it, Hey, listen to all

1221
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: my shows. They're great. I'm not yeah, produced every single

1222
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: one of them, even a little. And check out appearance

1223
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: on the Joe Rogan podcast where I get advice on

1224
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: how to learn how to drive with your eyes closed,

1225
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: because you know, big farmers trying to convince people that

1226
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: you need to look at the road like a cock,

1227
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: but real close their eyes and let Look, Luke Skywalker

1228
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: didn't need his eyes to blow up the Death Star.

1229
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: You don't need your eyes to drunk drive down to

1230
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: the seven eleven to get more white cloth. Damn, look

1231
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: on that note, I'm gonna go let my mattress eat

1232
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: my ass. Live your truth. Thanks. Uh This this at

1233
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: cool Zone media at bastards Pot. Okay, bye right