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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you. We're with Sander Champlain. Her book, of course,

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Speaker 1: is called We Don't Die. Her website is linked up

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Speaker 1: at Coast to COASTAM dot com and she hosts the

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife podcast on the Paranormal Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: that you can find on the iHeartRadio app and website

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Speaker 1: as well. And we have Stephen Simon. His book is

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Speaker 1: called What Dreams Have Come Loving Through the Veil. His

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Speaker 1: website is linked up at Coast to Coast AM dot

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Speaker 1: com as well. And we've got both of them together.

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Speaker 1: Next hour, we're going to take calls about the afterlife,

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Speaker 1: so get ready for that. They will both be with

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Speaker 1: us as well. Steven, Let's get back to that movie.

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Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life. What a classic, wasn't it? Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness? Yeah. And one of the movie ideas that

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Speaker 1: Hollywood actually can embrace, which is angels. Angels they don't

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Speaker 1: have a problem with. They do have a bit of

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Speaker 1: a problem with the spirituality of the true existence afterlife.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about, you know, Hollywood stars having near death experiences.

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Speaker 1: And I said to Sandra once, well, that is true.

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Speaker 1: But for executives and most of the people working in

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Speaker 1: the film industry as producers and things, the closest they

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Speaker 1: come to a near death experience is a box office flop. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: It is not easy getting these films made in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: That's why it took me three years to get Somewhere

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Speaker 1: in Time made twenty to get what dreams may come made.

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Speaker 1: And while even though there are fabulous movies like Ghosts

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Speaker 1: and so many other movies in this genre, they don't

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Speaker 1: have the greatest track record and being able to get made,

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Speaker 1: it takes a very long time. But because of Netflix

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Speaker 1: and Amazon Prime and all the other streaming services, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more outlets for films today, and there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of films in this arena that people can

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Speaker 1: watch and enjoy and be inspired by. Absolutely, And you

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Speaker 1: just mentioned the two venues that have come on like Gangbusters,

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Speaker 1: Netflix and Amazon. Do you remember Blockbuster video stores? Oh,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, I probably if I'm digging around in a

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Speaker 1: was asleep at the switch at Blockbuster because they should

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Speaker 1: have been Netflix. Yeah, they definitely could have been. You know,

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Speaker 1: the thing that really and you know Netflix, the film industry,

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Speaker 1: and this is our subject matter is really not the

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Speaker 1: film industry, but the film industry has really gone through

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Speaker 1: some massive changes and the pandemic was just brutal for

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Speaker 1: it and whether it ever really comes back. Unless you're

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Speaker 1: talking about what they call an MCU, which is master good.

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Speaker 1: What is that the name of the comic books. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that funny? I've completely Marvel based on it because those

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Speaker 1: movies are not exactly my cup of tea. But unless

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Speaker 1: you're doing a big superhero movie, Marvel Comics Universe, that's

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Speaker 1: what it is. There isn't a lot of business out

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Speaker 1: there for films and theaters, but Netflix, Let's put it

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Speaker 1: this way. Netflix spends twenty billion dollars a year on programming. Wow,

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Speaker 1: twenty billion, So that is a great venue for people.

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Speaker 1: And you know I can send you and I will.

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Speaker 1: I'll send your producers a list of films in this

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Speaker 1: It's a list that we have in the afterward of

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Speaker 1: our book as well, but I'll send it to your

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Speaker 1: to post it, because there's a lot of movies that

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Speaker 1: are just fabulous movies that people don't hear about, and

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Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to share that with your audience.

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Speaker 1: With you and your audience, super super And Sandra, what

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Speaker 1: handling the afterlife? Well, I think I obviously I agree

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Speaker 1: Disney is getting involved now, which I think is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Their movie Coco deals with the afterlife. They've got a

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Speaker 1: But then when we do cross over, there's only one answer.

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Speaker 1: know where Lauren is. I know the division that we

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that's happening why

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Speaker 1: very perceptively, people are afraid to talk about it in public,

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you a real quick question, George, how long?

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Speaker 1: How long have you actually been doing this show? This

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Speaker 1: show I am into now my twentieth year. My goodness,

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