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Speaker 1: us of the tech rolagarchy and how the entirety of mankind,
Speaker 1: entirety we'll be enslaved by handful of misanthropic data hoarders.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, we don't make it. Speaking of misanthropic data orders,
Speaker 1: Douge has finally rooted out one of America's least efficient
Speaker 1: government workers and marked and marked for dismissal.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk is no longer a special government employee.
Speaker 4: Friday was the billionaire's last day in charge of the
Speaker 4: Department of Government Efficiency.
Speaker 1: He's leaving. He's leaving his job to make more family
Speaker 1: with his time. He follow off, I think we're just
Speaker 1: has a mail order sperm farm. No, I don't know
Speaker 1: how he's like. I'm actually I'm starting to feel bad
Speaker 1: for this guy. He's been looking at it. He's been
Speaker 1: there four months. Look at poor pion. It only took
Speaker 1: four months to go from this.
Speaker 5: To this.
Speaker 1: Guy. He went from tech titan giving a mandate to
Speaker 1: move fast and crush the deep state to guy who
Speaker 1: had a bad night in Nashville. Boy, you can't remember. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got that look like has anyone seen my shoes?
Speaker 1: He's beating down, he's got that look on his face
Speaker 1: that I imagine his employees normally have black eye thousand
Speaker 1: yards stare. This dude has seen some shit. I'd like
Speaker 1: to know at least how that happened.
Speaker 6: What is your eye?
Speaker 7: Okay, what happened to you?
Speaker 1: Your eye? This was a bruise thing.
Speaker 8: No, I just wasn't around with the lex and I said,
Speaker 8: go ahead, punch me in the face, and he did.
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna tell us what hacked? Do you
Speaker 1: need a safe place to stay? Look, I believe sometimes
Speaker 1: do happen when you're rough housing with your kids. But
Speaker 1: I'm also sure the one sentence no parent has ever
Speaker 1: uttered to their child is go ahead, punch me in
Speaker 1: the face. But yeah, Elon spent three hundred million dollars
Speaker 1: of his own money to get Trump elected irreparably damaged
Speaker 1: his personal brand and almost all of his business and
Speaker 1: is clearly suffering some kind of issue. But don't worry.
Speaker 1: Trump made sure that Elon got something in return. President
Speaker 1: Trump keep being praise on the tech type, presenting him
Speaker 1: with a golden keeve.
Speaker 9: And I gave him a little special something.
Speaker 1: We have here, a.
Speaker 9: Very special that I give to very special people.
Speaker 1: I have given it to some, but they goes to
Speaker 1: very special.
Speaker 9: People, and I thought I'd give it to Elon as
Speaker 9: a presentation from our country.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Eli. You couldn't just give him the fucking key.
Speaker 1: You had to make sure that everybody knows you give
Speaker 1: them to a lot of people. It's just not that special,
Speaker 1: you know. I got a bunch of these. I give
Speaker 1: him the special people. Who's the guy who brings me
Speaker 1: my diet coke? I give him one for every diet coke. Anyway,
Speaker 1: enjoy your useless key. There was no need for Trump
Speaker 1: and Elon to commemorate this epic fail. This this embarrassing
Speaker 1: display of theater. Look at these guys pretending like this
Speaker 1: is some kind of celebratory, victorious send off for a
Speaker 1: job with Jesus. Look even Lincoln is looking down. He said,
Speaker 1: We're gonna like it, Lincoln. Even Lincoln is looking down gone.
Speaker 1: This is the most tedious performance I've ever had to
Speaker 1: sit through. This is even Lincoln can't take it. Somebody
Speaker 1: booth me, I don't like this too soon? Is that?
Speaker 1: And Lincoln, for God's sake, with all the shit going
Speaker 1: on in the world, I was not expecting the audience
Speaker 1: to be like, poor Lincoln just wanted to see you play.
Speaker 1: Of course, Lincoln wasn't the old one seemingly disassociating in
Speaker 1: the over office. Of course, there might have been an
Speaker 1: explanation for that behavior as well. The New York Times
Speaker 1: reports that Must allegedly use drugs far more than previously known.
Speaker 1: Look whether Elon was using drugs on the job or not,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I do know one thing about
Speaker 1: the television industry, though, especially the news industry, and that
Speaker 1: is whatever unusual images we have of Elon's enthusiastic time
Speaker 1: in Washington, DC, those images will now be repurposed and
Speaker 1: given a slightly different meaning in context, almost comically so,
Speaker 1: inside edition do your worst.
Speaker 10: Must departure comms as a jaw dropping New York Times
Speaker 10: report claims he was taking a cocktail of drugs while
Speaker 10: on campaign trail. According to The Times, Expose must erratic behavior,
Speaker 10: including waving a chainsaw around and that notorious Nazi like
Speaker 10: stiff arm, can be attributed to a daily mix of ketamine, ecstasy,
Speaker 10: psychedelic mushrooms and adderall. They claim he traveled with a
Speaker 10: daily medication box that holds twenty pillag.
Speaker 1: Why do you want to do it? Brother? Dirty? That way?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, come on inside a edition inauguration party Enthusiasm
Speaker 1: or lea for Madness. And you might be saying, well,
Speaker 1: look who amongst us hasn't unwound. Sometimes a little mixture
Speaker 1: of ecstasy, mushrooms, ketamine and adderall, what could be the harm?
Speaker 11: He told people he was taking so much ketamine that
Speaker 11: it was affecting his bladder.
Speaker 1: He told people that this dude is a one man
Speaker 1: anti drug campaign. These are your pants, These are your
Speaker 1: pants on drugs.
Speaker 12: And I do love the fact though that the detail
Speaker 12: is he's the one who.
Speaker 1: Told him me I play fall. That means things were
Speaker 1: so bad you had to be like, oh, don't worry,
Speaker 1: it's something weird. It's just an overabundance of ketemy. No, obviously,
Speaker 1: we on this program would have been delighted to offer
Speaker 1: an unedited forum for Elon to discuss his journey from
Speaker 1: hard working efficiency expert to drug adults child star mugshot,
Speaker 1: but he chose to go in a different direction by
Speaker 1: sort of speaking to your theater loving parents' favorite program,
Speaker 1: CBS Sunday Morning. This is true. This was his final
Speaker 1: Trump administration exit interview.
Speaker 13: I noticed that all of your businesses involve a lot
Speaker 13: of components, a lot of parts. Do the tariffs and
Speaker 13: the trade wars affect any of this?
Speaker 1: You know, tariffs is affectings a little bit? How revealing
Speaker 1: any follow up?
Speaker 13: Wondering what your thought is on the ban on foreign
Speaker 13: students the proposal. I mean you were one of those kids.
Speaker 14: Right, yeah, I mean I think we want to stick to,
Speaker 14: you know, the subject of the day, which is like
Speaker 14: spaceships as opposed to you know, presidential policy.
Speaker 13: Oh okay, I was sold anything's good.
Speaker 15: But no, well no, look what Trump has reduced this
Speaker 15: man to.
Speaker 1: He has broken this poor man.
Speaker 16: Just in an interview. Ken, we just talk about spaceships.
Speaker 16: I was told we'd talk about I was told we
Speaker 16: would both be wearing helmets and talking about it. Just
Speaker 16: a simple boy with a set of Star Wars, sheets
Speaker 16: and pillows.
Speaker 15: And.
Speaker 1: I really would just like to talk about I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't blame him sold projects, cutting money from the government,
Speaker 1: trying to find efficiencies, and sneaking a trojan horse in
Speaker 1: the back door and stealing all our data. But Trump
Speaker 1: is spending two hundred billion more dollars than the previous
Speaker 1: administration did in this amount of time and creating a deficit, exploding, big,
Speaker 1: beautiful bill that is the antithesis of everything Musk said
Speaker 1: he was trying to do. And now he's left softly
Speaker 1: complaining about it to a guy whose normal news segment
Speaker 1: is explaining to your grandparents how to download PDF.
Speaker 3: You know, I was like disappointed to see the massive
Speaker 3: spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget depsit not doesn't
Speaker 3: decrease it, and that reminds the work that the dog
Speaker 3: team is doing. I think a bill can be can
Speaker 3: be can be big, or it can be.
Speaker 14: Beautiful, but I don't know if it could be both.
Speaker 1: My perstal opinion, no, sir, we will not be body
Speaker 1: shaming legislation.
Speaker 12: I'm going to tell you something, and I speak for
Speaker 12: all the legislation out there, that in this country, a
Speaker 12: bill can be big.
Speaker 1: And beautiful. I promise myself I wasn't going to do
Speaker 1: this and brave. Holy shit. Here's my favorite. By the way,
Speaker 1: so this actually is my favorite part of the whole interview.
Speaker 1: So Elon actually expressed some dissatisfaction with what was happening
Speaker 1: with the Trumpet admission. It was a turn of events
Speaker 1: that stunned the reporter on CPS Sunday Morning, who had
Speaker 1: no idea apparently that this was being recorded.
Speaker 13: Right after our interview, CBS News posted a clip of
Speaker 13: it to promote this very report.
Speaker 1: It was that part where Musk.
Speaker 13: Criticizes Trump's spending bill.
Speaker 1: And his remarks became news. It went all the way
Speaker 1: up to the White House.
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's what news does. He's saying that, like, so,
Speaker 17: am I in trouble.
Speaker 1: I thought we were just killing time until we got
Speaker 1: another Patti LuPone apologizes updates. I don't like any of this,
Speaker 1: but let this be a lesson to Elon and anybody
Speaker 1: in Trump's orbit. Whatever your passionate political belief, whatever your
Speaker 1: ideology is, you will go from reaching for mind stars
Speaker 1: to dissolving in a puddle of your own urine in
Speaker 1: shame and starting a fight club with your kid just
Speaker 1: to be able to feel.
Speaker 5: Because Trump Trump, Trump doesn't believe in anything.
Speaker 1: Man, what were you with him? Because of his commitment
Speaker 1: to reign in big tech. They use big tech to
Speaker 1: censor you. They use the deep state to spy on you.
Speaker 1: And we have to make sure that we are protecting
Speaker 1: the American people's privacy and data rights. When I'm president,
Speaker 1: big tech will pay iTunes will have to agree to
Speaker 1: your terms and conditions. When I'm president, traffic lights will
Speaker 1: have to click on boxes containing pictures of you. Caption that. So,
Speaker 1: how's that libertarian paradise vision going for you? Now?
Speaker 7: The Trump administration is expanding its partnership with Pallenteer. The
Speaker 7: company is reportedly going to build a master list of
Speaker 7: personal information on Americans that could give President Donald Trump
Speaker 7: your meant surveillance power.
Speaker 1: It's never a good sign when the phrase master list
Speaker 1: and surveillance power are coupled. No one's ever like I've
Speaker 1: assembled a master list of puppies you can survey for boots.
Speaker 1: But hey, how evil can Vallaunteer be pal in the name? Well? Look,
Speaker 1: it's not like they're handing all of our data over
Speaker 1: to some crackpot CEO Well, let's not judge a book
Speaker 1: by its cover.
Speaker 9: The most effective way for social change is humiliate your
Speaker 9: enemy and make them poorer. I don't think in winlees.
Speaker 1: I think in domination.
Speaker 9: I love the idea of getting a drone and having
Speaker 9: light fentanyl laced you're in spraying on analysts who tried
Speaker 9: to screw us.
Speaker 1: Well, let's not judge a book by its insides. Well,
Speaker 1: I've always said, if there's anyone in the country who
Speaker 1: should have access to all of my personal data, it's
Speaker 1: the guy who wants drug laced urine spraying drones. Though
Speaker 1: if he is serious about that, he's going to need
Speaker 1: a source for a drug laced urine. I might know
Speaker 1: a guy. No, No, here's the thing. The reality is this.
Speaker 1: The reality of Trump is he turns even his most
Speaker 1: fervent and enthusiastic foot soldiers upside down. Take Dan Bongino,
Speaker 1: ex Secret Service agent, Fox News host and guy who
Speaker 1: looks like he starts fights at literally games even though
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a kid playing. He was very excited
Speaker 1: for the Trump era.
Speaker 6: Right now we're in charge and this is how shit
Speaker 6: gets done.
Speaker 2: Trump are freaking around. We are going to hold every
Speaker 2: one of these people accountable. It is time for total
Speaker 2: personnel warfare. Fire one hundred people on day one, fire,
Speaker 2: one hundred more fire, a thousand more fire.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 6: We're good at flipping the script on dipshit liberal comedi's
Speaker 6: you know what's coming?
Speaker 1: What's coming? Does anybody know? Well that last part is
Speaker 1: going to make for some good b roll for an
Speaker 1: inside Edition story one day. Anyway, Trump made that guy
Speaker 1: deputy director of the FBI because of course, but look
Speaker 1: what is only three months on the job I have
Speaker 1: done to him. I gave up everything for this. I
Speaker 1: mean cash is there all day.
Speaker 6: We share offices or linked he turns on the faucet,
Speaker 6: I hear it. He's there at he gets into like
Speaker 6: six o'clock in the morning. He doesn't leave till seven
Speaker 6: at night. You know, I'm in there at seven thirty
Speaker 6: in the morning. You know he uses the gym. I
Speaker 6: work out in my apartment, but I stare at these
Speaker 6: four walls all day in DC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's called a job. You have a job. That's
Speaker 1: what they are. You going in a specific time six
Speaker 1: thirty seven around there to a specific room, mostly four walled,
Speaker 1: and you're there all day. It's worked. It's a job. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there probably is a dude in there that you hear
Speaker 1: all fucking day. He turns the water on you. Here, Hey,
Speaker 1: you look at it. He's chewing another sandwich.
Speaker 18: I hate this job. It's annoying. Yeah, it sucks. How
Speaker 18: do you not know that, for God's sakes, you're on
Speaker 18: the right. Haven't you even read Dilbert? For sake? Work sucks?
Speaker 18: And how are you just finding about this now? How
Speaker 18: was having a job.
Speaker 1: Now suddenly destroying everything?
Speaker 6: But I stare at these four walls all day in DC?
Speaker 6: You know, by myself's divorced from my wife, not divorce,
Speaker 6: but I mean separated, divorce, and it's hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we love each other and it's
Speaker 1: hard to be a part. I mean it's just as hard.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. It's separated, I mean divorced. I'm
Speaker 1: not divorced. I was a divorce, but not separate. I'm
Speaker 1: separate together but not of course alone. But I go
Speaker 1: who know, I mean some people they leave for walk,
Speaker 1: Guys come over and come bang it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening. Why can't she go to work? Why can't
Speaker 1: I just bring Can I bring my wife to work?
Speaker 1: Would that'd be okay. We all miss our wives. What
Speaker 1: the fuck? The only one who's gonna come out of
Speaker 1: there unscathed is Press Secretary Caroline Levitt, because I don't
Speaker 1: think she got any principles in there left to die.
Speaker 19: President Trump is truly the most transparent and accessible president
Speaker 19: in American history.
Speaker 1: We have truth on our side at this White House.
Speaker 19: I think everybody the American public believe it's absurd for
Speaker 19: anyone to insinuate that this president is profiting off of
Speaker 19: the presidency. It's frankly ridiculous that anyone in this room
Speaker 19: would even suggest that President Trump is doing anything for
Speaker 19: his own benefit.
Speaker 1: That's all he's doing. By the way, I think the
Speaker 1: more she lies, the bigger her cross gets. Is that possible.
Speaker 1: It's like some sort of weird Pinocchio cross. The president
Speaker 1: can't be bought. I'm not even upset with this lady,
Speaker 1: because just rolling with the punches is clearly the only
Speaker 1: strategy for happiness when you're working for Trump. Trump's very
Speaker 1: open secret has always been he doesn't believe in or
Speaker 1: care about any policy issue at all. He wants attention,
Speaker 1: he wants his egostroke, and he wants money. He wants
Speaker 1: frequads and fads of money. Remember his ninety deals in
Speaker 1: ninety days. He made them, but only for his family.
Speaker 1: Those are the only deals he made. Meanwhile, the world
Speaker 1: he said he was going to fix is burning like
Speaker 1: so many nuclear capable planes in Siberia. And don't bother
Speaker 1: trying to call him on it, because before you can,
Speaker 1: he's already moved on to pulling some new crazy thing
Speaker 1: out of his ass to distract us.
Speaker 20: President Trump is reposting false claims about former President Joe Biden,
Speaker 20: saying that Biden was executed in twenty twenty. Since then
Speaker 20: clones body doubles and wrote took Biden's place as president.
Speaker 1: You're saying that the Joe Biden, who doesn't even know
Speaker 1: where he is, is actually an incredibly advanced cloned robot.
Speaker 1: How much ketamine are you on.
Speaker 21: A lot?
Speaker 11: When we come back, Carol Cadwalader will be joining us.
Speaker 11: All right, Hello, where about to the Dail show? So
Speaker 11: I want to talk about my guest tonight.
Speaker 1: My guest Tonight is an award winning investigative journalist who
Speaker 1: writes the substacked newsletter How to Survive the Brologarchy. Please
Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
Speaker 21: Carol Cadwalader, you were joining me.
Speaker 1: Very surreal, it's very real. I want to introduce you
Speaker 1: to our audience who might be unfamiliar with your work.
Speaker 1: Carol was one of the first journalists that broke the
Speaker 1: Cambridge Analytica data story. This was many years ago, That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. Nobody was right about it. And give
Speaker 1: us a little bit of just that, that backstory of
Speaker 1: what happened when you exposed what this group was and
Speaker 1: what happened to you.
Speaker 22: Well, basically, Facebook lied repeatedly, you'll be shot rya. They said, no,
Speaker 22: I mean this with this company. Of course it didn't
Speaker 22: have our data. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 23: And then guess what.
Speaker 22: It turned out that this company, Cambridge Analytica, did have
Speaker 22: that data, eighty seven million people's Facebook data taken without
Speaker 22: their consent. And yeah, we broke that story and it
Speaker 22: turned out it was grossly illegal, and Facebook got fined
Speaker 22: a record breaking five billion dollars by the FDC, one
Speaker 22: hundred million by the SEC, hundreds of thousands of pounds
Speaker 22: in other countries around the world. And guess what, Nobody
Speaker 22: was ever held to account. So Mark Zuckerberg got away
Speaker 22: with it. Scot Frey, nothing actually changed, nothing changed, nothing changed.
Speaker 1: Actually, the one person who was put through the ringer
Speaker 1: doing all of this.
Speaker 22: Yeah that's yeah, well you well, that's the thing I say.
Speaker 22: In all of this, we found there was gross law
Speaker 22: breaking at every level by Facebook, by Cambridge Analystica, by
Speaker 22: the Leave campaigns in Britain, by the Trump campaign. And yeah,
Speaker 22: only one person got put on trial and that was me.
Speaker 1: Right, you were put on trial for disc this very
Speaker 1: true thing, and they really tried to destroy you.
Speaker 23: Yeah.
Speaker 22: So, well it was a particular Brexitier who came after me.
Speaker 1: And the whole term brexitier makes it sound like Disney.
Speaker 1: I hate that. Yeah, I'm a Brexitier. You're a Brexitier.
Speaker 1: But they said not, thank god, I hope, what do
Speaker 1: you kid me? I'm in America. We don't care what
Speaker 1: happens there. No, but it is so. But you were
Speaker 1: on the cusp of does that story now, with Cambridge
Speaker 1: Analytica sort of siphoning the data from Facebook, weaponizing what
Speaker 1: would get people agitated, and trying to influence those elections,
Speaker 1: does that almost seem quaint by today's standards.
Speaker 22: I mean, I think it's the blueprints in many ways
Speaker 22: for what we're seeing now which is that it was
Speaker 22: the dream of big data, which is what could happen
Speaker 22: if you take millions of people's data, vast quantities of it.
Speaker 22: Because what they did, what Camidge Analytica did as well
Speaker 22: as getting access to all of these people's personal and
Speaker 22: it wasn't just you know, it's every post they'd ever
Speaker 22: put on Facebook, every post they'd ever liked, even their
Speaker 22: private messages. But they combined this with masses and masses
Speaker 22: of commercially available data.
Speaker 23: And then what they did is.
Speaker 22: They brought these together to create algorithms which they then
Speaker 22: use to target people. Was weaponized against them, to send
Speaker 22: them Facebook ads, to sort of provoke them in a
Speaker 22: certain way. And that is I think in many ways
Speaker 22: now you can see is the game plan of what
Speaker 22: we are seeing there, which is that there's a question
Speaker 22: about how effective Cambridge aallyitics methodology was. But the dream
Speaker 22: of it was this sort of big data surveillance engine
Speaker 22: in which they would know everything about everybody and they
Speaker 22: would know how to provoke you, how to sort of
Speaker 22: touch every single person, and how to manipulate us.
Speaker 1: Was the change of that because there is a sense
Speaker 1: you think of that sort of in the capital A
Speaker 1: sense of the consumer, a sense like if I'll be
Speaker 1: talking to my wife about a certain something and then
Speaker 1: the very next thing on Instagram is an advertisement for
Speaker 1: that very thing, and you think, oh, they've weaponized what
Speaker 1: we're interested in to get us to buy things. But
Speaker 1: this is a very different scenario, and that they've weaponized
Speaker 1: it to defang democratic processes.
Speaker 23: Yeah, and more.
Speaker 22: I mean, I think what is happening now in America
Speaker 22: is absolutely they are building a techno authoritarian surveillance state.
Speaker 22: We can see that happening in real time. This is
Speaker 22: huge amounts of data on every single person in America
Speaker 22: that can and will be used in opaque and unaccountable ways,
Speaker 22: and it is terrible.
Speaker 1: But on the plot side, so when you hear about
Speaker 1: that from Palenteer, is that are you describing something generally
Speaker 1: or are you describing exactly like Palenteer is getting all
Speaker 1: of our data that? I mean, that was what they announced.
Speaker 22: Well, it's DOGE is the sort of tip of the
Speaker 22: spear here. So this is this is Elon Musk's unvetted
Speaker 22: operatives going into every government department and they're going in
Speaker 22: to access the data bases of those separate departments. And
Speaker 22: now what's happening is that this company, Palenteer, owned by
Speaker 22: Peter teel a very interesting and.
Speaker 23: Did you see the adjective which adject shall I go for?
Speaker 23: We went for interesting?
Speaker 22: This company owned by Peter Teel right, is now amassing
Speaker 22: these different pots of data. It's putting it into one
Speaker 22: massive database where it's merging them. It's applying applying AI
Speaker 22: now to this database.
Speaker 1: And what is the AI's purpose? Is it to sift
Speaker 1: through the data to target you for messaging or is
Speaker 1: it also to prevent you from accessing government programs?
Speaker 22: I mean, it can be used in so many different ways,
Speaker 22: and I think that's a difficult thing, which is half
Speaker 22: of people to get their heads around. But this is
Speaker 22: a system of control. This is what other authoritarian countries do.
Speaker 1: And there's no regulation on this.
Speaker 22: By the way, there's no regulation. Basically, you had since
Speaker 22: we broke this scandal. It's twenty eighteen, the big story then,
Speaker 22: and you know one of the key things about it
Speaker 22: was you have no privacy legislation in the US. There
Speaker 22: is nothing to protect your data. You have no rights
Speaker 22: here whatsoever, apart from California now.
Speaker 23: Has a bill.
Speaker 22: So you had all of this time to do something
Speaker 22: about it, and you didn't.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't sound like us normally, We're quite prompt
Speaker 1: with this type of activity. I'll go even further. In
Speaker 1: the big beautiful Bill. There is a segment of that
Speaker 1: that says for the next ten years, they are not allowed,
Speaker 1: yes to legislate or regulate AI in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form. It is prohibited by an Act of Congress.
Speaker 1: If this goes through, what does that do to this?
Speaker 1: It gives them a ten year head start on whatever
Speaker 1: it is they want to do with it.
Speaker 22: I mean, it's just it is the tech you know,
Speaker 22: it's the technocratic dream. I mean, this is what these
Speaker 22: tech bros want. They want to just build their beautiful
Speaker 22: AIS and do whatever they want in any way that
Speaker 22: they want, so that they can get to Mars and
Speaker 22: colonize it, you know, great glorious goals such as So.
Speaker 1: How does any of this square with their so called
Speaker 1: libertarian principles. It's nonsense. If there is a centralized control
Speaker 1: of data run by an opaque algorithm that nobody understands
Speaker 1: but them, I mean, and when they want to make
Speaker 1: changes grock for like a week, no matter what you asked,
Speaker 1: it would be like, do you know, South African farmers
Speaker 1: that are white or being killed, like they can do
Speaker 1: whatever they want, and is the idea we're supposed to
Speaker 1: just trust that it's in our best interest.
Speaker 23: I mean, it's the literal opposite of libertarian.
Speaker 22: But then that's always the thing you just have to
Speaker 22: whatever they say, you've just got to realize it's the
Speaker 22: exact opposite. So the idea that this is libertarian, which
Speaker 22: is a state controlled machinery to surveil and control every
Speaker 22: citizen in America, to deny them access to services, to
Speaker 22: make inferences about them, about anybody in the country, to
Speaker 22: label them domestic terrorists based upon you know what these
Speaker 22: different databases throw up. That is it's authoritarian. It's authoritarian,
Speaker 22: and it you know, and it's also the pathway to
Speaker 22: Fascism's that is what it is.
Speaker 1: And that's here's the other thing that really bothers me
Speaker 1: about it. So everything that we're doing to China, the
Speaker 1: tariffs and everything else, is because they don't play fair.
Speaker 1: They steal our ip, they steal our What is AI
Speaker 1: if not vacuuming up anything that is proprietary, not just
Speaker 1: about our work, but of our souls, Like it is
Speaker 1: sucking up everything that we are and using it for
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do. And what's our recourse to that.
Speaker 22: I mean, it's just it's based upon totally illegal behavior.
Speaker 1: It's just theft.
Speaker 23: It's that you have.
Speaker 22: You know, you have copyright laws are just property laws.
Speaker 22: You don't go into people's house and then just take
Speaker 22: their you know, their furniture and their their you know,
Speaker 22: their stereo and then you know, flog it on the
Speaker 22: eBay and claim that it belongs to you and keep
Speaker 22: the profit. I mean, that is literally what they are doing.
Speaker 22: And I mean this is this is the Silicon Valley model.
Speaker 22: This is the Silicon Valley model, and this is exactly
Speaker 22: what's now been transported into government, which is you break
Speaker 22: the law first, you see if you can get away
Speaker 22: with it, and generally you do.
Speaker 1: And do you see that? Is it different in the EU?
Speaker 1: Did they have a sense of the peril of this
Speaker 1: and they're acting more robustly? Is this something that you
Speaker 1: see in the United States as the wild West? Who
Speaker 1: is keeping an eye on this? And can we get
Speaker 1: our own AI to keep an eye on their AI?
Speaker 22: I mean, I think the point is in Europe the
Speaker 22: dangers of this are much more recent and much more present. So,
Speaker 22: you know, the country, the one country in the world
Speaker 22: which does really understand this is Germany, you know, and
Speaker 22: it was first it was Nazism and then it was communism,
Speaker 22: and both of those systems used technology to control and
Speaker 22: surveil people.
Speaker 23: And that's why there has been so.
Speaker 1: How if this is the Stazi, or this is the KGB,
Speaker 1: or this is the look this country is rife with
Speaker 1: examples of government MK ultra and FBI surveillance on Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King and John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. You know,
Speaker 1: we are not unfamiliar with those kinds of police state activities.
Speaker 1: Is this of a different piece. Is it just that
Speaker 1: it's more opaque? Is it more efficient at doing it?
Speaker 1: Are we seeing something really different than we've seen?
Speaker 22: We are seeing something really different. It's really really systematic.
Speaker 22: What's happening there is already we are all of us emitting,
Speaker 22: you know, hundreds of thousands of data points a day,
Speaker 22: a week, which are you know, They're all being collected somewhere.
Speaker 22: And so the idea now that those can be brought
Speaker 22: together and merged in some vast database that is going
Speaker 22: to profile you, that is going to judge you that
Speaker 22: it's going to make assumptions about you and.
Speaker 1: You meet for predictive purposes when we.
Speaker 22: Use because it's now we're laying generative AI on top
Speaker 22: of that. I mean, you know how bullshit chat GPT is.
Speaker 23: I mean, it's that.
Speaker 1: What do you do I do my own work? What
Speaker 1: are you saying that these questions? I just plugged into
Speaker 1: chat GPT. But it's just easier, Carol.
Speaker 23: It is, But it's also just pretty dumb. It's stupid.
Speaker 22: It gets things wrong, It hallucinates, it makes up references,
Speaker 22: and that is This is that system which is going
Speaker 22: to be deciding whether you get Medicaid or not.
Speaker 1: That boy, did you just now? I think such a
Speaker 1: crucial point there, beyond even the more sort of dystopian
Speaker 1: visions of where they're going to be taking. This is
Speaker 1: the practical application of a technology that is wildly fallible.
Speaker 1: That is something that you know, they just put out
Speaker 1: the Maha Report and apparently there's seven studies in it
Speaker 1: that don't exist, and nobody thought like I wei should project.
Speaker 22: That And now you know, you know the whole thing
Speaker 22: of like trying to get through to customer services at
Speaker 22: any of these tech companies. If you've ever had you know,
Speaker 22: your Facebook account hacked or your Twitter account take there's
Speaker 22: no you can't get through to anybody. Now imagine that
Speaker 22: that is you trying to get hold of your whatever
Speaker 22: it is, your benefits or you know, the services security
Speaker 22: computer exactly. The computer has just said no, you don't
Speaker 22: have got no idea why what that's based on? And
Speaker 22: then like how do you how do you challenge that?
Speaker 22: How do you what do you do? I mean, that's
Speaker 22: that is the reality that is absolutely going to be faced.
Speaker 22: You know, millions of Americans are going to be facing.
Speaker 1: Right to try and contact and it won't be anybody.
Speaker 1: It'll just be for this press one. But nobody will
Speaker 1: ever come on.
Speaker 22: Exactly exactly, and and and and and and it's it's likely,
Speaker 22: you know, if you get turned down, like I said,
Speaker 22: you won't know why. But also there's no saying that
Speaker 22: it's based on accurate information whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And not transparent in any way by removing the people.
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's a black box.
Speaker 22: It's just everything it's going to go into some black box.
Speaker 22: It's going to get mixed up and it's going to
Speaker 22: spit out answers.
Speaker 1: So you've been looking at this for many years you
Speaker 1: have faced a great deal of personal repercussion for doing this.
Speaker 1: You continue to push on it. Is there anything that
Speaker 1: you've seen within this move that makes you feel like
Speaker 1: we have the ability to in any way slow the
Speaker 1: inevitability of it?
Speaker 23: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh, Carol, Carol.
Speaker 12: I've got Italia and I'm going to say this to
Speaker 12: the audience at all.
Speaker 1: I probably should have started there before everybody was on
Speaker 1: the ledge. What do you see.
Speaker 22: Because they're just like all of these tech bros. They
Speaker 22: are selling absolute bullshit. Okay, the whole AI, the whole
Speaker 22: AI scam is a scam, and they're making out that
Speaker 22: it's inevitable that we have to you know that they
Speaker 22: have to. We're having to chuck millions upon millions of
Speaker 22: dollars at Building Better II because the AI is otherwise
Speaker 22: going to kill us and it's going to come anyway,
Speaker 22: and it's inevitable. It is not inevitable. It is based
Speaker 22: upon illegal behavior.
Speaker 23: Take it.
Speaker 22: Challenge these companies in the courts, media organizations.
Speaker 23: Stop doing crappy deals with these people.
Speaker 22: They just did a really crappy deal with Open AI,
Speaker 22: or as I say, you know, if they married its rapist.
Speaker 23: They're rapist.
Speaker 1: This was the optimistic part of the show. This was
Speaker 1: the part of the show where you were going to
Speaker 1: bring us all back from the ledge. And look what
Speaker 1: you've done. They're all crying again.
Speaker 22: We can we have power, We can stand up to
Speaker 22: these companies.
Speaker 23: We have to stand up to these companies.
Speaker 22: We don't preobey, We don't make deals with open AI.
Speaker 22: We do try and stand up for our you know,
Speaker 22: defend our legal rights. This is law, okay. And that's
Speaker 22: the one thing which the tech companies, these Silicon Valley platforms,
Speaker 22: you know, just can't tolerate. And that is and that's
Speaker 22: always been their strategy, is that they subvert it and
Speaker 22: they get away with it. And they get away with
Speaker 22: it because they act fast. We don't realize till too late,
Speaker 22: and then it seems too late to try and try
Speaker 22: to do anything about it. So we can do stuff
Speaker 22: about it, and we can. Also is that you know,
Speaker 22: we are giving our data to these companies. We have
Speaker 22: to really think about that. You know, Instagram is not
Speaker 22: your friend. You shouldn't don't post your kids photos on there.
Speaker 22: I mean, if there's one thing to take away from
Speaker 22: that is that these companies are now allied to your government,
Speaker 22: which is a you know, I have to get out
Speaker 22: through the board during a couple of days time. So
Speaker 22: I'm slightly wary of what I say, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 22: it's not in.
Speaker 1: A good place I understand. The only way I would
Speaker 1: push back is just to say Instagram is actually my
Speaker 1: only friend. Uh, Carol, I just I can't tell you
Speaker 1: how I'm pressed. I am with the work that you've done,
Speaker 1: that you continue to do, the way that you continue
Speaker 1: to stand up for this even when it has cost
Speaker 1: you such a great deal in your life. Be sure
Speaker 1: to check out Carol Substack It's How to Survive the Broligarchy,
Speaker 1: and her nonprofit called The Citizens. Is that correct? Correct?
Speaker 1: The Citizens?
Speaker 24: Carol Cadwaller, Oh, nobody lest something tonight before we good,
Speaker 24: We're gonna take it with your house for the rest
Speaker 24: of the week.
Speaker 1: Mister Michael cost the mic out, what do you got calls?
Speaker 1: This week? Michael Well John.
Speaker 4: June is the start of Pride Month, So this week
Speaker 4: we'll be celebrating all the things that I'm proudest of.
Speaker 4: My hairline, my athletic frame, and my early pre order
Speaker 4: of the Nintendo Switch to There's just so much to be.
Speaker 1: Proud of John, So I understand this month that was
Speaker 1: really more about like gay and lesbian pride, not just
Speaker 1: not just pride in general.
Speaker 4: I see, Well, uh, there was that one time I
Speaker 4: convinced a cop to tear up my speeding ticket, but
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I'm proud of it.
Speaker 1: We won't elaborate Michael costs All this week.
Speaker 15: Who is.
Speaker 3: There is in your Times report today that accuses you
Speaker 3: of blurring a writing way between the New York Times?
Speaker 14: Is that the same publication that's got a pill as
Speaker 14: a prize for a false recording on on the Russia Gates?
Speaker 14: Is it the same organization?
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