1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We start with breaking news tonight. Medford, 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Oregon police and the FBI are trying to figure out 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: what's happened to a missing two year old boy after 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: his parents were involved in an apparent murder suicide in 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: the Flighthead a couple of nights ago. Medford investigators said 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Salcido and Hannah Janniak were reported Missigan, Oregon in 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: mid June. The couple has a child together, two year 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: old Aidan Salcito. Police say they have a record of 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: the family buying camping equipped a Walmart Medford back on 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: June third and fourth. Janniak was scheduled to report to 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: jail on a burglary conviction just a few days after that. 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: But the next trace of the couple comes two nights 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: ago in the Flighthead, when the pair took off after 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: a traffling stop by Kalispell police. Following a brief chase. 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: Police spiked their SUV's tires and the pair pulled off 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the road, but when deputies approached, they found Jane dead 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of a gunshot and Salcito dead of an apparent self 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: inflicted gunshot. Now, the V was apparently purchased in late 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: June or early July in Central Point, Oregon, but there's 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: no trace of the boy, and investigators say tonight they're 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: greatly concerned. Anyone with information should call the authorities. In 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: the last hours the breaking news in the case of 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: a missing little two year old boy, Aiden Salcito. I mean, 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: with us. The FBI launching a desperate search for the 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: little boy just two years old. What do we know? 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen. First, you were hearing from our friends 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: at KPAX. Here's Fox Q thirteen. The Medford Police Department 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: in Oregon. They're still searching for a missing toddler. Yeah. 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Authorities say the two year old's parents were involved in 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: a murdered suicide in Montana. Unfortunately, Daniel Salcido and Hannah 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: Jandak Jenniak were reported missing last month. Officials say this 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: could stem from criminal convictions for a burglary. Jenniak did 34 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: not appear for her sentence seen on June eleventh, and 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: no one had heard from the couple until a police 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: officer in Kalispville, Montana, tried to pull them over and 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: they drove away. Officials say when the pursuit ended. Officers 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: found the couple dead from gunshots inside the car. Two 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: year old Aiden. Officials in Montana say he was not 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: in the car, fortunately, where they found his parents dead. 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: Authorities are concerned for his safety and of course, his 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: well being and asking help from the public. They say 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: used the hashtag find Aiden on social media to share 44 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: any information that you may have. Guys, I'm taking a 45 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: look at this little boy, two year old Aiden Salcito. 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: He's standing with a little backpack in front of a 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: little play table exactly like one my children had that 48 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: they played on constantly, and he reminds me so much 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: of my twins at age two. Now, the parents dead, 50 00:02:54,880 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: apparently of a murder suicide, But what about Aiden. It's 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: really hard for me to take in that samone would 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: be so selfish that they would rob a child of 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: both parents. We're going to start at the beginning, joining 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: me an all star panel. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family 55 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: lawyer who has seen scenarios like this many many times. 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: We'renowned medical examiner doctor Michelle dupri out of South Carolina, 57 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, well known psycho analyst 58 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: out of Hollywood, doctor Bethany Marshall and Professor Forensics at 59 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 60 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. But right now to a special guest 61 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: joining us from kCi NBC Montana, Marion Davidson. I'm going 62 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: to start at the very beginning, Marian Davison, thank you 63 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: for being with us. When did we first realize two 64 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: year old Aiden was missing? You know, it didn't come 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: out right away. All of this happened pretty quickly, but 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: we didn't know right away when the police first bed 67 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: contact with the couple and found them dead in the car. 68 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: We didn't find out until a couple of days later 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: that Eaden whatnot with them. Well, actually, Marian Davidson's joining 70 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: me from KECI, that makes perfect sense. When cops pull 71 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: over they find two dead bodies. How are they supposed 72 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: to know that somewhere out there, like a needle in 73 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: a haystack, there's a two year old little child. I mean, really, 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, you and I have been 75 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: to a million crime scenes. Why would they think that 76 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: somewhere out there there's a little boy missing? You wouldn't 77 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: have any indication of that, Nancy, until you began to 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: work the scene. And where the stems from is that 79 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: once you have these individuals that are deceased, you're working 80 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: this murder suicide scene, You're going to dig in and 81 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: you're going to maybe find pictures of a child. You're 82 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: going to contact their family, and the family are going 83 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: to say, hey, where's the baby, where's the baby, And 84 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: suddenly you come to the realization you've got a missing 85 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: child on your hands. Kathleen Murphy with me North Carolina 86 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: family lawyer. You've seen this so many times, a murder 87 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: suicide and a domestic homicide situation. Look, I get it. 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: I've dealt with many, many people suffering for depression, especially 89 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: when I was working at the Battered Women's Center, and 90 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: the desire to kill yourself can be overwhelming. It's almost 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: like an addiction for some people. It's just like this 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: force they can't stop. But when you have a child, 93 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: to be so callous as to kill your partner and 94 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: kill yourself and just leave the child, I mean, I 95 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: don't get that, Kathleen. You would think that in twenty nineteen, 96 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: with all the resources that are available for victims of 97 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: domestic violence, that we would see a decrease in this 98 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: type of murder suicide and children put in danger. But 99 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: as I'm gooing, and all I can say is, if 100 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: any of your listeners are victims of domestic files, there 101 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: is help and your family should surround the child and 102 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: protect your children. Guys, we are bringing you the very 103 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: latest in the search for a two year old little boy, 104 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: Aiden Sells set this little boy. At first, they didn't 105 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: even realize there was a child connected to these two 106 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: dead bodies. To doctor Michelle Dupre, renown Medical Examina out 107 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: of South Carolina, author of Homocide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupre, 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: how do they know when they look at a body, 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: how can you tell, oh, this is a murder suicide? 110 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: How do you know somebody to incarjack them or attack them? 111 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: And I mean, how do you tell at some murder suicide, Matthew. 112 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: We look to the injury itself, and we determine how 113 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: far the gun was, if that's what it was, what 114 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: was used, how far that was from the actual target 115 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: or from that person, and then we determined if it 116 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: was possible for that person to do that to themselves 117 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: or not. So we look at the body and the 118 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: injury itself. I still don't understand. How do you look 119 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: at an injury, a gunshot wound and tell this is 120 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: a suicide and this is a murderer. How do you 121 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: know that? Well, again, we look at the totality of circumstances, 122 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: but we look at the gunshot wound. If they're a 123 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: stipling or tattooing, which is small powder burns on the skin, 124 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: then we know that it was an immediate intermediate gunshot wound. 125 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: If it's a muscle imprint, then we know there was 126 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: skin contact. If it wasn't, then we know that it 127 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: was within that, and we know that the person. Hold on, 128 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, doctor Dupree, Please, I feel like Jackie. 129 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: Who is that guy that speaks the other language on 130 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: the new set of Star Trek movies? He is kind 131 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: of green is she's a kind of a you're like speaking, 132 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: You're not even speaking anything I've heard on this earth. 133 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Not sway heale not. I don't even know what you're saying. Okay, 134 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: try to talk regular people talk to me. I know 135 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: you're way way, like far far warp speed ahead of me, 136 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: But what did you just say? Like, how how can 137 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: you look let's just say this. How can you look 138 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: at a gunshot wound to a human body and say 139 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: that's a suicide. Remember, talk slowly, you're talking to me. 140 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: We look at the injury itself, and so we look 141 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: at a couple of things. First, we look to see 142 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: if there is a muzzle imprint or an imprint of 143 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: that gun on the skin. If it is, then we 144 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: know that the gun was in contact with the skin. 145 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that someone else couldn't have done it, 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: but we do know that person then could have done 147 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: that to themselves. A little bit of farther distance from 148 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: the person is going to leave a lot of people 149 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: call it powder burns, but the technical term is actually 150 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: tattooing or stippling, and that's little etches in the skin 151 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: that come from the gunpowder and other things that come 152 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: out of the muzzle of a gun. If we see that, 153 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: then we know that it is an intermediate gunshot wound. 154 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: So the person could have done that to themselves, and again, 155 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: someone else could have done it as well. It's neither Okay, 156 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: let me dumb it down. Let me dumb me it 157 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: down just for a moment, Jackie, tell me if this 158 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: makes sense to you, because she's just way smarter than 159 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: we are. You're ready. If you shoot yourself point blank, 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: like the barrel touching your head, you'll see powder burns 161 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: or tattooing or stippling where the heat and the gunshot 162 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: residue actually gets on your skin from the gun. That's hey, 163 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: you know it's a point blank range gunshot Loan, If 164 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: it's thirty six inches or less, you'll have gunshot residue 165 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: on your body. If I shoot you in the car, 166 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I'll probably have that on my body. Also, if the 167 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: person is shot in the mouth or the temple in 168 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: a trajectory path, which where the bullet is going, shows 169 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: that they could have shot themselves, not like straight down 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: from the top of their head or in the back 171 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: of their head where they couldn't have done that. Plus 172 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: you look around the inside car. You know what I'm 173 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: getting weighing the weeds on this. What matters is two 174 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: year old Aiden Salcido. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You 175 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: start with breaking news tonight. Medford, Oregon police and the 176 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: FBI are trying to figure out what's happened to a 177 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: missing two year old boy after his parents were involved 178 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: in an apparent murder suicide in the Flighthead a couple 179 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: of nights ago. Medford investigators say Daniel Salcito and Hannah 180 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: Janniak were reported Missigan, Oregon in mid June. The couple 181 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: has a child together, two year old Aiden Salcito. Police 182 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: say they have a record of the family buying camping 183 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: equipment of Walmart and Medford back on June third and fourth. 184 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Janniak was scheduled to report to jail on a burglary 185 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: conviction just a few days after that. But the next 186 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: trace of the couple comes two nights ago in the Flighthead, 187 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: when the pair took off after the traffic stop by 188 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: Callispell police. Falling a brief chase, Police spiked their SUV's 189 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: tires and the pair pulled off the road, but when 190 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: deputies approached, they found Jenny dead of a gunshot and 191 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: sell Cito dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot. Now, 192 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: the suv was apparently purchased in late June or early 193 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: July in Central Point, Oregon, but there's no trace of 194 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: the boy An Investigators say tonight they're greatly concerned. Anyone 195 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: with information should call the AFT. We are bringing you 196 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: the very ladies and the disappearance of a two year 197 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: old little boy, Aiden sells Cito. Doctor Bethany Marshall, we 198 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: clearly have a homicide suicide in a vehicle. At first, 199 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: comps don't even realize that there is a child connected 200 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: to these two dead bodies. And I've got to ask you, 201 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, you're the psychoanalyst. You're the Beverly Heels Queen 202 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: of psychoanalysis. Helped me out. I understand. I can't say 203 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: I understand it, but I'm familiar with that overwhelming desire 204 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: to commit suicide. I've seen I don't know, you know 205 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: how many domestic commicides, typically where the man shoots the 206 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 1: woman out of anger, out of rage, out of resentment. 207 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: But when you have a child to take away both 208 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: the parents of the child, to me, that's a whole, 209 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: a whole other mindset. Help me out, Well, you're right, 210 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: it's a whole nother mindset and a whole nother psychology. 211 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: So most people who want to kill themselves are preoccupied 212 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: with their own misery. They are thinking that it would 213 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: be much better to not be on this earth. They 214 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: usually have a co occurring psychiatric or substance abuse, disorder. 215 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Ninety percent of people who successfully terminate their life have 216 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: some kind of substance abuse difficulty. That is not what 217 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: we're seeing here. Murder suicide. In the context of a marriage, 218 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: the psychology is that you have a personality disordered disturbed partner, 219 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: usually the man one, and a non personality disordered spouse, 220 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: usually the woman. And the woman is over some way 221 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: making the husband feel inferior and insulted at some pathological 222 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: extreme level, so he gets the spot in his head. 223 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to be better off 224 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: if you're gone, or if I am gone, I want 225 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: to kill you. No, I want to kill myself. And 226 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: the murder to kill the other person or oneself. In 227 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: other words, the homicidal and the suicidal instincts, which lie 228 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: side by side, oscillate. Now, if you think of the 229 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: matrix of the domestic abuse, usually abusers want to kill 230 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: the child to get back at the spouse. Right, we 231 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: know children are used as spawn as pawns. To Kathleen Murphy, 232 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer, these two wait a minute, Kathleen too. 233 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Marion Davis k ec I, NBC Montana, who's been on 234 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: the store from the very beginning. Let me understand something. 235 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: Weren't both of these parents fleeing police at the time 236 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: they were found? Tell me about that, because many people 237 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: thought they just happened to be found in a vehicle 238 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: martyr suicide, but they were actually all the run. Yeah, 239 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: that's right. When they were pulled over in kalis Fell. 240 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: It actually started as just a pretty routine traffic stop 241 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: for an out headlight. But then when the officer got 242 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: to the car, he he called for backup. Well, he'd 243 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: asked for identification, they gave him false names, and then 244 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: he called for backup, and as soon as he called 245 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: for backup, that's when they took off. And then it 246 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: was right after that chase when police then approached took 247 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: car after it was pulled over, That's when they found 248 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: them dead in the car, you know. Josephs got Morgen 249 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: forensics expert author Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon. How 250 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: many times are perps caught because of believe it or not, 251 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: a traffic in fraction? A big one was Timothy McVeigh. 252 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: He was actually pulled over the Oklahoma City bomber that 253 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: brought down the Murrah Building, the Federal building like the 254 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: one I worked in in downtown Atlanta when I was 255 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: a law clerk to a judge, brought down the building, 256 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: including the daycare in the bottom. He had I think 257 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: it was like this broken out tail light, and they 258 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: pulled him over and they found all type of bomb 259 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: explosive material in his car. And it happens a lot. 260 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: People don't believe it. In it reminds me of something 261 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I've told you this story before. I 262 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: know I have. When I was a brand new prosecutor, 263 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: I got a file. I opened it up and the 264 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: police officer had written a really short police report and 265 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: it said I was at SO and so. It was 266 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: in a housing project at the corner of X and Y, 267 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: and the perp, Jackie Howard. Let's just pretend Jackie held 268 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: up a small glassing bag at me standing on the corner, 269 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: trying to solicit me undercoverage to buy a five rock, 270 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: a five dollar head of crap, and I arrested him. 271 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: I could looked to the officer who would come to 272 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: court that day. I went, get the hell out of 273 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: my courtroom. How dare you try to frame somebody and 274 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: then give it to me to prosecute what idiot in 275 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: their right mind would believe a doper would wave cocaine 276 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: at you from the corner. I mean, I'm so embarrassed. 277 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't know his name, I don't remember anything about him. 278 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: How disgusted he must have been at me at that moment. 279 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: Miss hotshot out of law school and probably been working 280 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: all night and got up early to come to court. 281 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: He left all right. Fast forward like six months. I'm 282 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: out on the street work in a case, trying to 283 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: find witnesses. I'm in that neighborhood. I'm at a red light. 284 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Guess what I look over here. I am a little 285 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: white Honda. I look over. My guy holds up a 286 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: glassing bag and waves it at me. I'm like, oh crap, Okay, 287 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: So I know sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction, 288 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. But it does happen. People get pulled over 289 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: for a tail light and they turn out to be 290 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: serious perpetrators. Yeah, Tom and Tom again, Nancy. And you 291 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: know that's the thing, that's one of the also one 292 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: of the dangers of being a police officer. When you 293 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: approached that vehicle just because they have a busted tail light, 294 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: you never know what kind of mischief has preceded this. 295 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, I've had cops friends of mine 296 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: that have approached vehicles where they have actually interacted with 297 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: individuals that have killed two and three people, and it 298 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: was only by the grace of God, in their words, 299 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: but it was a providential event that they weren't killed themselves. 300 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: And this does happen. The devil is always in the details, 301 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of this plays into this idea. If 302 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: you are a police officer, you have to pay attention 303 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: to the little things because sometimes that that's what brings 304 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: a case to a conclusion. Well, all our discussion about 305 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: tell lights and and pulling people over or in the 306 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: murraal building and a glassy bag of cright, what matters 307 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: is two year old aid and selcito. Guys. I want 308 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: to tell you about something very important to me. I 309 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: hope you can join me this Saturday, six o'clock Eastern, 310 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: five Central on Oxygen for Injustice with Nancy Grace. I 311 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: think about this woman so often, Michelle Mockby. She got 312 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: up super early one morning, got her coffee in her car, 313 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: checked on her two little girls, and headed off to 314 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: work early. She wanted to take a few days off 315 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: at the end of the week to spend time with 316 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: her children and her husband. So she goes to work 317 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 1: this big, huge, sprawling laboratory and processing center, Thermo Fisher. 318 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: She was head of HR. She never saw her children 319 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: alive again. She was brutally murdered at work, the purp 320 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: dragging her body, leaving a trail of blood from her office. 321 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Who in that sprawling lab had an axe to grind 322 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: with Mom Michelle might Be? Who sentenced her little girls 323 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: to life without a mom? We reinvestigate the case, shining 324 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: lights on what really happened. Please join us Saturday, Oxygen 325 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: six o'clock Eastern, five Central and the case of the 326 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: murder of Mom Michelle might Be. We want justice. Crime 327 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back, everybody. I Nancy Grace, 328 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 329 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: right now. The search for a two year old little boy, 330 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: his mom and dad have been pulled over and it 331 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: wasn't as simple as a pullover for a traffic stop. 332 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: Cops apparently had to throw down spike strips in front 333 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: of the car. Marian Davidson, KAECI is that true? How 334 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: did spike strips get into it? That is true? The 335 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: spikes strips got involved after a police chase. The two 336 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: are pulled over originally for a very routine traffic stop. 337 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: When the officer called for backup, they tried to flee, 338 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: and that caused a police chase, and that's where the 339 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: spike strips were deployed. Okay, wait, let me understand this, 340 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. When a cop comes up behind me, all right, 341 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: And I used to argue this to juries all the time. 342 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: If I see a cop pulling up and I hear 343 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: who whoo, I pull over. If I see a blue light, 344 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: I pull over. I do not want a problem with 345 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: the cops. Now. I may accidentally flash my badge, or 346 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: I may like, oh, I'm so sorry, all right, may 347 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: quickly put on my Atlanta Police Department T shirt if 348 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: I have it handy. Now all that it's absolutely not true. 349 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: I take my ticket and I pay it and don't 350 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: don't whine about it. But I want to argue this 351 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: to jury's you suddenly hit the gas. I'm not going 352 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: to hit the gas and take off ninety mph like 353 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: these two did, and the cops had to throw down 354 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: spike strips for Pete's sake. Could you explain what a 355 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: spike strip is Kathleen Murphy. And I always find it 356 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: so interesting when I see you, Kathleen, because you look 357 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: like a you look like a this like sweet soccer mom, 358 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: and your hair is always perfect. You got such a 359 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: sweet little voice, and you take off about spike strips 360 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: and murders. I love it. Go ahead, Kathleen to explain 361 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: a spike strip. State strip is a device that's hit 362 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: in a row, not me personally, of course, but when 363 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: it's dripping over, the tires will blow out and the 364 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: curl will stop essentially because it can't move any further 365 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: without the tires operating. I'll have to laugh at this, Nancy, 366 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: because I actually has been stopped twice in the last 367 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: thirty days by police officers wanted to run. Get it 368 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: run for tickets only for Okay, I'm glad to hear that, 369 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: or you might be on the Nancy Gray Show. Um, 370 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: guys were talking about a missing two year old little boy, 371 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: Aidan Salcito. His parents apparently on the run from cops. 372 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: And this is what I know about why they're on 373 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: the run. Um. Joining me is maryon Davis out of Kate, 374 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: Mary and Davidson out of k ECI NBC. Montana police 375 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: and the FBI had been desperately seeking two year old 376 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: aid And after his parents were fleeing a prison sentence 377 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: in or again and skipped town. That's why they took 378 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: off running. They were pulled over inadvertently for a tail 379 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: light being knocked out of their car, and then in 380 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: the midst of that they take off. Cops had no 381 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: idea what they were dealing with. They end up having 382 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: to throw out spike strips to take out their tires, 383 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: and then they're found dead. At first, cops didn't even 384 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: know a two year old little boy was connected to 385 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: this crazy couple in an apparent murder suicide in Montana. 386 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: Then they realize there is a little boy. Where is he? 387 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: Two year old Aidan right now Breaking news again with 388 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: breaking news. The Medford, Oregon Police Department says Montana authorities 389 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: may have found the remains of a missing two year old. 390 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: We don't know if officially if it is Aidan Salcito, 391 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: but the remains were near the area where his parents 392 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: were seen by witnesses several days earlier. As we reported Saturday, 393 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: Hannah Janiak and Daniel Salcito were found dead in an 394 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: apparent murder suicide on Wednesday. Both were wanted on felony 395 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: burglary warrants. News five will continue to follow the story. 396 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 1: We'll bring you any information as soon as we get it. 397 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friends there at Fox five and 398 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: the discovery of a body of a child. If this 399 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: is not Aiden, then who is it? Take a loose 400 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: stown friends at KPAX. Law enforcement believes the toddler is 401 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: possibly the missing child whose parents died in a murder 402 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: suicide in the Flathead earlier this week. Aiden Solicito has 403 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: been missing for nearly four days. Today, a body, which 404 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: authorities believed to be Aiden's was found your campground where 405 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: witnesses last saw him. Along with his parents, Hannah Janiak 406 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: and Daniel Solicito, were found dead in a vehicle on 407 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: July twenty fourth after a police chase on Highway ninety 408 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: three in Kalispell. Let's break this all down, Medford, Oregon. 409 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: Investigators say the family was reported missing an Oregon in 410 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: mid June. Police say they have a record of the 411 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: family buying camping equipment at a Walmart in Medford in 412 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: early June. The next trace of that couple came on 413 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Wednesday night in the Flathead when the pair took off 414 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: after a traffic stop by Kalispell police. It's after police 415 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: found the parents dead in an apparent murder suicide. When 416 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: authorities noticed the child was no longer with them. Authorities 417 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: have been searching for that boy since and today Medford police, 418 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: along with Montana police, believe they have found a two 419 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: year old dead near a Lincoln County campground. Straight out 420 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: to Marion Davidson KACI, NBC Montana, how did cops find 421 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: this body in a camping area and what was the 422 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: cause of death? Do you know? You know, finding that 423 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: body was not easy. So after they realized that there 424 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: was a missing two year old in this case, authorities 425 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: had a huge geographic distance to to cover. I mean, 426 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: if you think between Medford, Oregon and Kalisall, Montana, that's 427 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: a really large slop of land there. But a tip 428 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: from a concerned citizen actually led them to a very 429 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: very rural spot in Lincoln County, Montana. A person out 430 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: recreating saw this this greed suv that they had been driving, 431 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: and they thought twice actually and they had the wherewithal 432 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: to call the Lincoln County authorities and let them know, 433 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: and that brought police out to this very rural campground. 434 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I was actually out there, and it's on a dirt road. 435 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: I you know, it's on a highway on a dirt road. 436 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: They drove miles and you know, it's miles down that 437 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: dirt road and it's very very thickly wooded terrain. So 438 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: they got out there, they found the remnants of the 439 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: campsite and they began a ground search, but that area 440 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: is not easy to search, so they searched for gosh, 441 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: I think they I was told that they were out 442 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: there until three am searching and then took They got 443 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: back out there after a few hours of rest, got 444 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: back out again with authorities from the Flathead County Sheriff's Office, 445 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Lincoln County Sheriff's Office, Medford Police, and then around six 446 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: o'clock they brought in searchdogs and within an hour they 447 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: were able to locate a toddler's body. For those of 448 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: you just joining us, we are discussing the disappearance of 449 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: a two year old, a beautiful two year old little boy, 450 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: Aidan Salcito. Parents Daniel Salcito and Hannah Janniac found victims 451 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: of murder suicide on the run from a burglary charge 452 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: in Oregon. You know, on a burglary they probably would 453 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: have gotten like five years to do and done like 454 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: maybe eight months max. Behind bars. Instead, when they're over 455 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: for a tail line and fraction on their car, they 456 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: take off running, they commit murder suicide, and when cops 457 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: get to the bodies, they have no idea that somewhere 458 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: out there is a two year old little boy connected 459 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: to these two crime stories with Nancy Grace. Lincoln County's 460 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: Sheriff Darren Short reports the Montana State Crime Lab in 461 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Missoula is confirming the toddler was in fact two year 462 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: old Aidan Salcido. His remains were found over the weekend 463 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: along West Fisher Creek south of Libby, a couple of 464 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: days after Medford, Oregon police issued an advisory trying to 465 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: locate the missing boy. His parents, Hannah Janiak and Daniel Salcido, 466 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: died in a murder suicide after a routine traffic stop 467 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: in Kali's Bell turned into a short pursuit. The aarad 468 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: taken off after being stopped by a Kalispell officer and 469 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: then pulled onto a side road after their car tires 470 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: were spiked. Deputies found them dead when they approached the car. 471 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: Medford police say the pair had apparently taken off just 472 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: days before Janiak was to have reported to jail to 473 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: serve time in a burglary conviction in early June, but 474 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: little is known of their travels or activities during the 475 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: weeks they were on the road. You were hearing from 476 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: our friends at kat v Q. Now the body of 477 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: a two year old boy has been found. Cots Natchhime 478 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: determined is it aid and listened to our friends at 479 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: kPa XTV. An autopsy may help us understand how a 480 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: two year old toddler died before his parents took their 481 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: own lives following a police pursuit in the Flathead. Flathead 482 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: County's Sheriff Brian Hano tells KPAX that Lincoln County Sheriff's 483 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: office is taking the lead in this case. They believe 484 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: the body discovered near Fisher River east of Livy is 485 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: that of two year old Aiden south Sedo, who was 486 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: reported missing Friday, a couple of days after his parents 487 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: I didn't murder suicide outside Kalisbell. They were identified as 488 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: Hannah Janekak and Daniel Salcito last Wednesday night at Kalisbell 489 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: police officer tried to stop the couple for a broken 490 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: light on their vehicle, but they gave some false identification 491 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: and then took off. When they pulled off onto a 492 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: side row, deputies approached and found them dead of gunshots 493 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: in their car. Autopsies are also being done for Salcido 494 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: and Jenny A too. Marion Davidson k ECI, NBC Montana. Marian, 495 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: how was the little boy Aiden Salcito killed? Autopsy confirm it. 496 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: He was killed by a gunshot wound to the head. 497 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us, I don't 498 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: understand it because this little boy, Aidan Salcito was killed 499 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: well before. The two parents had gone on the run, 500 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: before they were pulled over, so they killed their little 501 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: boy first. What I'm guessing, Dancy, is this a typical 502 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: domestic violence situation. And we know that in domestic violent situations, 503 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: the children are targeted to get back at one of 504 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: the parents. So let's say if the father is the abuser, 505 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: hates the mother, feels rejected, feels that she is going 506 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: to abandon or betray him instead of lashing out at her, 507 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: he will lash out at the child. So one scenario 508 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: is that he, the father, Daniel Selcito, killed Aiden in 509 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: order to punish his wife. Now, the other scenario is 510 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: that they acted in concert. In other words, that Daniel 511 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: may have been one of these paranoid characters who tried 512 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: to brainwash his wife into thinking that Aiden was a 513 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: problem and Aiden was bad and it was primarily a 514 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: child abuse situation that escalated into homicide. We wait, a mine, 515 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: aren't you forgetting a major fact, and that is they 516 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: were both involved in a burglary. They were both on 517 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: the run. That's absolutely true, Nancy. But I don't think 518 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: that fleeing law enforcement is a reason to kill a 519 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: child because that parental bond is so strong. Oh, I 520 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: know that. But what I'm saying is it's not like 521 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: he was forcing her into a burglary. She was part 522 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: of that. They were both to report to an Oregon 523 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: prison for a burglary. It was time to go to 524 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: the pokey. Well. That may speak to the theory that 525 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: she was brainwashed into acting in concert with him, that 526 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: maybe he was the primary criminal and the one that 527 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: mastermind did this. I guess small town burglary and that 528 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: he convinced her that she should go along with him. 529 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: But then that means that she could also have been 530 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: the passive type of individual that allowed herself to be 531 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: seduced into thinking it was time to get rid of 532 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: the child. Oh. Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner out 533 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: of South Carolina, author of homicide Investigation Field Guide dogor Duprie. 534 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: How often do you see a whole family wiped out? Well, unfortunately, 535 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: it's more often than any of us would want to 536 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: see it. And as the was just said, we find 537 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: that families that have domestic violence the children are three 538 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: times more likely to suffer some type of injury from 539 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: this type of of goings on in the home. She 540 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 1: just got Morgan, forensics expert and author of Blood Beneath 541 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: My Feet. We also know that some of the evidence 542 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: shows that they had both been out shopping with the 543 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: little boy, shopping for camping equipment at Walmart. You're absolutely right, Nancy, 544 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: and you know they've got they've got the family on CCTV. 545 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is the last time that 546 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Aiden was known to be a live I think I 547 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: think my thought here, and it's very sad, is that 548 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: when they purposed to go out and camp was this 549 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: was this their intent to go to this isolated area, 550 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: just as the reporter had stated, she stated it was 551 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: very isolated. They went out there with the single, single 552 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: purpose to dispose of him, to end his life, and 553 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: to walk away from him, and for all of these 554 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: selfish reasons, starting new life on their own without the 555 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: burden of the child in their lives. But why buy 556 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: camping equipment to do that? I mean, they're caught, as 557 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: you sent a closed circuit TV, buying camping equipment and 558 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: other things, and they clearly used that to go to 559 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: this camp site, and then they suddenly decide to kill 560 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: Aiden and go on the run. I think maybe in 561 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: desperate times like this, they're facing they're facing the potential 562 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: of going to prison, and maybe on the run he 563 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: was just too much. He was too much of a 564 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: burden for them to have to carry around. And that 565 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: I hate that the sound of that coming out of 566 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: my mouth, because it just diminishes his little life so much. 567 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: But they get out there and they finally make this 568 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: fatal decision to end his life and to go on 569 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: about it. Maybe they just wanted to be able to 570 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: go out and be contemplative about it before they decided 571 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: to end his life. One never knows. Why are you 572 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: kidding me, Kathleen Murphy? Did you hear what he just said? 573 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: These two wanted to go out and be contemplative. Okay, 574 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: I think about it. Contemplate it, you know, kick it 575 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: around intellectually before they murder their kid. That's b Yes, sorry, 576 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. That is a major BS contemplative, my rear end, 577 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, these two were like sharks. They are. But Nancy, 578 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: where were the people that were supposed to keep this 579 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: child safe? Knowing these parents were going to jail? How 580 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: did that child get with them and go on the 581 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: supposed camping trip knowing that the parents were going to jail. 582 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: We all have to watch out for our children. This 583 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: is what I know. This little boy is dead, and 584 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: I wonder if family, if relatives, if neighbors knew it 585 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: was such a powder keg and did nothing. A two 586 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: year old little boy gone because of these two parents. 587 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: May they rot in hell? Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off, 588 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend