1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,119 Speaker 1: You're listening and waiting on reparations the production of iHeart 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Radio and non reparations. Way, none reparations all you motherfucker's 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: about you looking eavy hey and fraid none reparations. Yeo, 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: I got so much ship in the camp. I ain't 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: tipping my hand in my career. Why I stand it's 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: probably indigenous land. And then my superhero posed, but my 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: fist in the sand, I ain't seen nothing, Officer like, 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm resisting the man. Which I did it again. I 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: popped like a fish in the pan. Make you rewind 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: the ship and try to listen again. It stove knife. 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: I'm rhyming reckless. Your whole mind is feckless. I roll 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the blutt and then I smoke or drinking wine for breakfast. 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: This is the forty five mark. I'll give it ninety seconds. 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Then I'll keep your cardio straight. You never found me breathless. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: I called it vintage. You can say I got a 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: funny flow. You're talking to a stack of books. You're 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: talking to your money. Though, I really need a snack. 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: I eat a wrapper like a honey roll. It was 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: gonna give the stimulus, but now the fucking money froze 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: juxtaposed just supposed that I'm just the bro. No one's 21 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: home was my clothes. Oh, it's just the road. Hey, 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: my name is Lingua Franca. I'm dope night on remations. 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's perfect. I feel like that prevalent 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: capitulate swear. This week, it's been. It's been a heck 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: of a week. It definitely happens. So, I mean, what's 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: gone on this week? We took last week off, as 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: you guys don't know, um, but what has happened? Oh? 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: I got stopped by the cops when I was canvasing. 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: That was fun. That was fun. We were canvasing. I 30 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: don't even want to say it was a pro Trump neighborhood. 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: There was definitely a lot more Trump signs than I 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: had seen in a lot of the places we had 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: been at. But you know, we're walking through and I 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: just had a feeling, you know, And then the next 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: thing I know, we hear somebody and they're like, hey, 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: can I talked to you guys around? It's like a 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: loan cop. We're like, oh word. We I automatically was 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: putting together what happened. But the ship that was the 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: surprising part. Was like the three other dragon Neet squad 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: cars that like pulled up, like the dudes popping out 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: as if there was some ship already going on. So 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: that was cool. I love that. Love getting a racially 43 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: profiled while trying to just get people to vote. I mean, 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it was racially profile I 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: think it was like straight up attempted murder, you know, 46 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: because whoever called the cop, whoever called the cops, they 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: saw us like talking to their neighbors before they called 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: the cops. So it's not even like a situation where 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: we were just like some sketchy black dudes and like 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: okay talking to people. Yeah, the moment we rolled in, 51 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: we were talking to people, you know what I'm saying. 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: So they saw us talking and smiling and that we 53 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: were handing out uh you know, literature and ship and 54 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty sure they in that neighborhood know 55 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: who's the Biden people who's not, because it's not like 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: we're knocking up not Biden people, but who's for we're 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: knocking also who's not. And it's not like we were 58 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: knocking on doors at random, you know what I'm saying, 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: Like we're going to Yeah, we we, I mean our 60 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: and we've been targeting low propensity Democratic voters. So folks that, like, 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: according to their voting records are Democrats, but like don't 62 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: usually get out and vote and like runoffs or special 63 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: elections or things like that. Yeah, so that was whack. Yeah, 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean I've been through that before. But yeah, we 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: did get a new kitten. Though we did get new 66 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: kitten that's bringing some joy into the household. You know, 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: doesn't replace eggs. I still miss eggs. And he's like, 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: so you know that the surly face he's always had, 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: he always looked mad, but then he kicked him up 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: and like spin him around and flop his head and 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: he would just like love it. And even though he 72 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: looked mad a whole things like that, I still miss X. 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: But you know, is adorable. He is. I'm sure he'll 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: be big enough to be cause in ruck as while 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: we're recording. And yeah, and I would like the world 76 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: to know that his name Sinks are a combination of 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: future Congresswoman Nita Turner and the fictional movie gangster Nino 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: Brown from New Jack City. So we've both got to 79 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: like do have part of our you know, nerdiness reflected 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: in the cat's name. And there's mad incriminating pictures of 81 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: me being sweet and adorable with the cat. Listeners, Listeners, 82 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: check this out, mac love for this cat is so pure. 83 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: We're just saying, such a grown ass man, this crumble 84 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: at the feet of tiny. We can't let any of 85 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: that imagery get out there. I'm a rapper, don't used 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: to wrap this funny cat. Yeah, all these three credits 87 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: done so Oh as if I had any street cred 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: to begin with. But now that's gonna kill. That's gonna 89 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: kill a little there was. Yeah, well, um, so what 90 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: are we What are we talking about today? We're revisiting 91 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: an interview that we did several months ago with an activist, 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: an indigenous activist from New Mexico named La La june Um. 93 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I had a really insightful conversation with her about the 94 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: ways that indigeneity influences her political organizing and worldview. And 95 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: I just feel like, especially in the in like the 96 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: wake of our recent conversation with Daniel Blackman about a 97 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: Great New Deal, I thought these perspectives on the environmental 98 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: injustice and you know, equally sustainability and land stewardship could 99 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: be like a cool follow up for that. No, I agree, 100 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: nout Um. We're also gonna be talking about how COVID 101 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: does disproportionately affecting Indigenous communities. And for the music discussion, 102 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: we've got a real dope crop of Indigenous Native artists 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: that we're gonna check out. It also comes on the 104 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: tail of a reason. Uh, I don't even want to 105 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: call it snapoo, but our current Georgia Republican Senators Kelly 106 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Leffler and David Purdue came out with a strong statement 107 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: in support of the name of the Atlanta Braves, as 108 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: if there's nothing more important to be if you know, 109 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: they're you know, going back and forth between science is 110 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: the most important election of a lifetime. While meanwhile, taking 111 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: a break from the campaign trail to staunchly stand behind colonialists, 112 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: uh garbage. They put out a statement, this is a 113 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: per CBS News. They said, we adamantly oppose any effort 114 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: to rename the Atlanta Braves, one of our state's most 115 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: storied and successful sport franchises. They said this on Monday, 116 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: so this would have been last Monday when we took 117 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: the week off, not on we are the Braves Georgia 118 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: institution with the history spanning fifty four years in Atlanta, 119 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: they are an American institution. I did not know the 120 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves were this fucking important to Ship outside of 121 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: baseball until I just read that statement an American institution. 122 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: You know what else was a story in American institution, 123 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: Uh Native tribes that like who this land belongs to 124 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: thousands of years before we were and who were genocided 125 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: by uh colonialist maniacs. But oh, let's let's not let's 126 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, make sure to put that aside. For the 127 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: fifty four year history of the Atlanta Atlanta Braves, it's 128 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: pretty much just right wing virtue signaling at this point. 129 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Ship, it's just reaching out to the you know, 130 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: to whatever unactivated racist or left in Georgia. Like a guys, 131 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: don't forget we don't think too much about Native Americans. Also, 132 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: do you understand you here? Just in case you're mistaken 133 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: thinking it's all about rack socialism and antiva what them engines, 134 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: there's parity of themselves at this point. So um, anyway, Yeah, 135 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: wherever you are, where you'rever, you're listening kick back. I'm 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: about to light went up and we're gonna get into 137 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: it after the job. And so something that I drew 138 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot from in my talk with Lather that you 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: all are going to hear in a little bit UM 140 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: was kind of thinking about the ways that the federal 141 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: government's attempts to prescribe indigeneity kind of parallel and if 142 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: it's sometimes impacted um, black people living in this land 143 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: is well. And that led me to kind of do 144 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of research about what blood quantums are 145 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,239 Speaker 1: and you know, how they have impacted Native American communities 146 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: as well as Black folks. Surprisingly, so if you're not 147 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: familiar with the idea, um, blood quantums is this measurement 148 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: of how much Indian Native American blood did you have 149 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: in your body as a way of determining your rightful 150 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: belonging to a tribe and duste how much the federal 151 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: government you know, like how big, how big the tribe is? 152 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: You know, whether or not you qualify for programs that 153 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: are specifically for Native people's things like that. It can 154 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: affect your identity, your relationships, and whether or not you 155 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: or your children, um can become a citizen of your tribe. UM. 156 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: So many Native nations, including the Navajo Nation and the 157 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Turnital Mountain band of the Chippewa Indians still use it 158 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: as citizenship requirements, although among like American uh Native communities, 159 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of disagreement about the ways that blood 160 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: quantums kind of like contradicts or runs contrary to like 161 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: their conceptions of what makes one native um. Some tribes accepted, 162 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: others go with more of a linear lineal um determination 163 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: of you know, if you belong to the tribe, and 164 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: some others have sort of thrown out the metric entirely 165 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: because it's just it's imposed upon them by the federal government, 166 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: not it's not like something they even want. Yeah. Um, 167 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: the Navajo Nation requires a minimum of Navajo blood, and 168 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Turtle Mountain requires a minimum of of any Indian blood 169 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: as long as it's a combination with some Turtle Mountain. Yeah. 170 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: So different tribes kind of do it in different ways, 171 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: and ultimately it kind of restricts who can be a 172 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: citizen of the tribe if you've got, for example, you know, 173 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: nate Navajo blood. According to that tribes bloo quantum standards, 174 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: if you have children with someone who has a lower 175 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: blood quantum, maybe someone who is only an eighth Navajo, 176 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: or maybe someone's not Navajo at all. Technically your children 177 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to enroll as members of the Navajo nation. 178 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: So the federal government, this is what it just gets 179 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: really under my skin and find kind of creepy um issues. 180 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: Was called a certified degree of Indian blood. There's a 181 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: card similar to an ID card um that shows you 182 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: know whether or not you are technically of a certain 183 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: tribe and um. It's usually calculated using you know, your 184 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: blood quantums calculated by using tribal documents, official tribal documents 185 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: or government official um ortin sorry, so usually it's like 186 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: a tribal official or government official that calculates it for me, 187 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: for you. But one of the major problems with blood 188 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: quantum is that a lot of times the people who 189 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: were taking the federal taking the roles for the federal government, 190 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: we're unfamiliar with Native ways of defining their own communities. 191 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: And so you have people come in who would just 192 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: look around, just look at folks and say you look 193 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: pretty Navajo. U so I the white guy, UM say 194 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: you're so Tho's actually former black slaves who are living 195 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: as just fully like incorporated members of Indian tribes um 196 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: who you know, when the government officials will come in 197 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: and take the rules were they would take one look 198 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: at them. I was like this, this Nigga is clearly 199 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: a nigga um and so you are not of this tribe. 200 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: And they would get excluded, even um and even those 201 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: with mixed heritage if they were black in indiand if 202 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: they look black, they would get um listed on the 203 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: separate role. And so today the ramification is that they 204 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: don't have the original. They don't have that original unrollly 205 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,479 Speaker 1: in their past, so they don't have enough blood quantum 206 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: to be extended tribal membership, even though in every way 207 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: cultural and social they might be fully incorporated into the tribe. Now, 208 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: the one drop rule is similar to the one drop 209 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: rules I think listeners would probably be more familiar with. 210 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead and tell them about them. Oh 211 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: about the one So the one drop rule is measured 212 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: by the amount of black blood that black people had 213 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: in society, and that ensured that every person who had 214 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: at least one drop would be considered black and would 215 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: be covered under the would be covered under these discriminatory laws. 216 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: And even in the earlier days, enslaves so yeah, this 217 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: is a part of this legacy of the federal government 218 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: needing to inscribe racial rules onto people, sometimes to provision services, 219 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: but also in a certain sense to limit the scope 220 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: of those services, because like, well, if we're able to 221 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: whittle down the number of people we say are a 222 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: part of this tribe, that means we don't have to 223 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: ensure services to as many folks. Yeah. On the flip side, 224 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: with African Americans, you know, if you have one drop 225 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: of black blood, if we're able to like quantify and 226 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: therefore categorize you racially, uh, then we can also we 227 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: can discriminate against you. It's just this weird, this weird 228 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: thing the federal government does. So Yeah, the same way 229 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: that like, uh, one drop was enough to classify as 230 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: black blood, quantum emerges a way to measure Indian this 231 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: um and also serve as a way to ensure that 232 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Indians would literally breed themselves out of existence and read 233 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: the federal government of their legal responsibility to uphold treaty obligations. 234 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: And technically there are no longer members of the tribe 235 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: because all of their descendants have married into people of 236 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: other races and no one has high enough blood wants 237 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: them to qualify as a member of the tribe. So 238 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: it was all of this stuff like UM pushed by 239 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the federal government. So the actual tribes themselves had nothing 240 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: to do with these determinations. I mean, some tribes, it 241 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: sounds like, do it in different ways, but to me, 242 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: it still seems like it was impos most upon them 243 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: and it's something their own, uh sense of identity and worldview. 244 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't like endogenous to these communities. There's 245 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: one tribe I recall in my research that actually UM 246 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: somewhere in Canada that did away with all sorts of 247 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: lineal or blood quantum requirements entirely. Anyone can be a 248 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: member of the tribe. They just said, anybody, you're in UM. 249 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: And so it really varies from tribe to tribe. But UM, 250 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: I just like you know, we were sure about hip hop. 251 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: We talk about black issues a lot, but moments to 252 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: sort of pause and consider the ways our struggles intersect 253 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: and UM are impacted by similar vehicles of policy, like 254 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: similar public policy vehicles through like federal, state and local governments. UM. 255 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: I think it's always interesting kind of helps build solidarity. 256 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: And so I found this way, I found this like 257 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: really fruitful for like thinking more deeply about um, just 258 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: like what our shared battles are and how we can 259 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: sort of come together to fight fight off all these 260 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: ways that people try to define who we are for us. 261 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever thought about or have 262 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: you already like tried to look into what your native 263 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: roots are? I mean, I'm I'm I'm aware of UM, 264 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm Native American. UM. I talked a little bit about 265 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: this in my interview with Lila, But I grew up 266 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: going to like pow wows on the reservation and other 267 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: than that though not really participating in any ceremonies or 268 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: learning about the culture whatsoever. But like, um, yeah, like 269 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: every time I drive home, there's like, you know, the 270 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: tribal we passed the tribal government office and like you know, 271 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: reading the newspaper about the chiefs and what's going on 272 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: with the tribe, and there you know, decision like legislation, 273 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: decisions are making for the community. Uh. And I think 274 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: it's really interesting and something I've grappled with a lot. 275 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: It's an adult is that because of the one drop 276 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: rule and things like this, And I guess as well 277 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: to a lesser degree than was like, um obvious to 278 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: me growing up or in my like I don't know 279 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: political transformation as a young adult. Um uh an account 280 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: of like the way that blood quantum has also worked, 281 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: uh the one drop rules, so that like if you 282 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: are like a little bit black, you're black. Doesn't matter. 283 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: If you're Mexican doesn't matter, if you're Filipino, doesn't matter, 284 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: if you are um whatever. Well, like if you got 285 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: a little bit black, you're black. And so, like I've grown, 286 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: I was raised a black person despite the fact that 287 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: like my like grandfather was the chief of the tribe. Okay, 288 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: so you're so that's so as far as your roots go. 289 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: So your great grandfather was fully Native American. Yeah, I mean, 290 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I mean, and that's the thing, fully, 291 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? Because like from everybody, 292 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: everybody like, well, I guess what I would mean is 293 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: like a pretty light skinned person, and like where I 294 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: come from, everybody looks like me. Where it's like you 295 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: would probably lump them into the category of black because 296 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: of the way that the race is made of binary 297 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: in the United States. But like we're all Native Americans 298 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: and we're all members of the tribe, even though maybe 299 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: there's some you know, some European American mix in, etcetera. 300 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: But like it's more of a cultural um affinity and 301 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: cultural affiliation than it is so like like well, well 302 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: who was your daddy pure blood or anything like that. 303 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: It's just about like we're a community and if you're 304 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: from here, this is a part of who you are. UM, 305 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: And so trying to nap our own sense of who 306 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: we are as a people onto like this greater cultural 307 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: um framework that that like just like it's tries to 308 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: compartmentalize people in ways that just doesn't work. Um is 309 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: the struggle and something I'm trying to learn how to 310 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: resist as they get older, Like on my forms, trying 311 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: to like, you know, check that I am Alti Native 312 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: American because time I didn't, because that's not why people 313 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: from the outside told me that I was when they 314 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: look at me. Um. The basketball player Kyrie Irving a 315 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: couple of years ago went to the Standing Rock Reservation 316 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: to get in touch with his Sioux heritage. I guess 317 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: his mother was born into the Sioux tribe before she 318 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: was adopted, and he's been going on a little bit 319 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: of a you know, finding his inner self journey the 320 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: last few years and reconnecting with that part of his 321 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: heritage seems to be doing the trick a little bit. Yeah, 322 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: so and and and Lylon, Lylon and I talked a 323 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: little bit about this in the episode in the interview, 324 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: so hopefully for other for other people were interested in 325 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: this for themselves. Um, I think you'll find this really 326 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: insightful and hopefully helpful for you in your journey and 327 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: reconnecting with your native roots. So let's actually go to 328 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: the Leila interview right now and check that out. So 329 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: this is my interview with Lela June, environmental justice activists, 330 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: spoken word artists, and warmer candidate for house in the 331 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: state of New Mexico. With forgiveness as my bow and 332 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: my prayers as my animals pull them back and let 333 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: go and fly like sparrows have ho So, Lyla, tell 334 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: us a little bit about yourself, how you got here, 335 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: and how hip hop and spoken word have played a 336 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: role in your life. Well, I always wanted to share 337 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: my message with the world as an Indigenous woman, because 338 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: much of our story has never been told to the 339 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: non native world in our own voice. And so I stopped. 340 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: I stumbled upon spoken word when I was in high school, um, 341 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: and I won a bunch of national poetry slams and 342 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: things of things like that. And hip hop, of course 343 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: is uh an incredible tool that I'm forever indebted to 344 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: the African American population, and a lot of marginalized communities 345 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: are indebted to the African American population for giving us 346 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: that tool to not to elevate their communities, but they 347 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: gave it to many marginalized communities to help us elevate 348 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: our communities as well. And so it's been a real 349 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: joy to use these tools also as a musician with 350 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: my guitar and singer songwriter to elevate my my story 351 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: so that we can increase visibility for indigenous peoples and 352 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: our struggles. Can you talk a little bit about your 353 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: earliest exposures to hip hop? Wow? Well, I think my 354 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: earliest exposures to hip hop and I don't know if 355 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: i'd call it hip hop, but was mainstream pop music, uh, 356 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: And I never really resonated with that because a lot 357 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: of it was degrading women and and encouraging what I've 358 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: viewed as unhealthy things, and so I've never really understood 359 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: that hip hop was more than just a tool of 360 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: oppression that if you used it correctly, it could be 361 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: a tool of liberation. And so once once I discovered that, 362 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: I think the first person I don't know if you 363 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: know Blackly just, but he was probably the first person 364 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: who opened my eyes to how this UM tool could 365 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: be used to elevate all people. Yeah. Yeah, I had 366 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: a similar journey with hip hop as a young person, 367 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: kind of not really identifying with it when I was 368 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: an adolescent because of its misogyny and in its mainstream incarnations, 369 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: and later finding artists that were inspiring that UM kind 370 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: of brought me around to see how it could be 371 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: used as a tool proliberation. So I feel you a 372 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: lot on UM, I'll feel you a lot on that. UM. 373 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: Do you see an advantage to using hip hop in 374 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: particular to get certain message and points across more effectively 375 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: than in other medium's? Absolutely? Um. Well, you know we 376 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: learn our A B c's through song, right, because when 377 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: you're learning something through song and rhythm, you remember it 378 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: much more easily. I remember learning songs when I was 379 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: very very young, and I still remember them as a 380 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: thirty year old woman. And I remember commercials. You know, 381 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: industries used that against us, and they get us to 382 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: member arize their slogans and the names of their brands 383 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: with song, you know. And so we can utilize song 384 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: too and rhythm to translate messages to people that they 385 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: can keep, that they can remember, that they can carry 386 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: with them throughout their lives. And as a Denay woman, 387 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: as an indigenous woman or as some people call it, 388 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: Native American woman, which we think that term is problematic, 389 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, all of our are. A lot of 390 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: our cultural knowledge was passed down to generation and generation 391 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: through song, and so our wisdom and our way of 392 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: life was encoded in song. And so I think hip 393 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: hop is another iteration of the natural human inclination to 394 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: share information via song, and I think it's incredibly effective. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 395 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: I think that the way that song can kind of 396 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: act as a mnemonic in a certain sense for making 397 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: a message become embedded in your mind is really powerful too. 398 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: And as I think a lot of my dariences with 399 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: performing also helped prepare me for speaking out for public service. 400 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: Do you feel the same about your the linkages between 401 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: your music experience and your experience of public service. Now, 402 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's a very interesting question that I haven't 403 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: thought about, but now that I reflect on it, absolutely, 404 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: I mean getting in front of crowd after crowd after crowd, 405 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: starting at age fourteen as a spoken word artist, you 406 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: really learned to soak up the nervousness and the awkwardness 407 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: and the fear that comes with public speaking and and 408 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: metabolize that that raw, energetic moment where you everyone is 409 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 1: hanging on every word you say, and you turn that 410 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: from a place of fear and doubt into a place 411 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: of beauty and even even control to a certain extent, 412 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and leveraging that control with a lot of integrity and 413 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: gentleness to the crowd. So that UM as a spoken 414 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: word artist and as a musician who's spoken in and 415 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: crowds of anything from twenty people to uh six thousand people, 416 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: UM recently did a speech at the um My First Arena, 417 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, and so we're we're in that situation where 418 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: we have that experience and that doesn't daunt us. And 419 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: so now that you think about it, I think that 420 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: absolutely helps and and helps me kind of own the stage. 421 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: Throughout the campaign trip, I've struggled a lot as I've 422 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: come to become an adult and realized how little I 423 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: know about my native heritage, despite the fact that like 424 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: growing up it was symnthathized to me that like we 425 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: did have this part of us, but like my parents 426 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: didn't pass down to me those traditions, like figuring out 427 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: how to get back in touch with my roots, get 428 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: back in tou touch with my culture, especially living away 429 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: from our lands. Now my people are from North Carolina. 430 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm here in Georgia, and so having that physical distance 431 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: between like the tribal lands and like myself now, like 432 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: what is it what would you say to someone like 433 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: myself that you know, I given given the way at 434 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: race works in America and like the one drop rule 435 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: and the binarization of race, have grown up thinking, you know, 436 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: myself as African American, Like, what would you say as 437 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: would be my first steps into recovering my ancestral identity. Well, 438 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: I think you need help from people like me who 439 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: quote unquote look native and quote unquote are our native 440 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: and are are connected to our roots. We need to 441 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: validate people's indigenous identity, and we need to say we 442 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: need to give people permission to say yes, claim that 443 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: because all of this uh politics of oh well you're 444 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: not you're not really native you're just a thirty sixth 445 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: Cherokee that needs to go because people are Native and 446 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: if we block them and shame them from claiming that, 447 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: then they don't even need to do genocide on us. 448 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: We're doing it to ourselves. We do it to each other. 449 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: And so it's very important, I think, for my folks 450 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: who kind of have the brown's in and the brown 451 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: eyes and the brown hair and and we still know 452 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: the songs and the ceremonies, etcetera, to really look at 453 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: our counterparts who are not just African American, but also 454 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: those who look white, and say, listen, we want you 455 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: to honor who you are, and we need you to 456 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: honor who you are because that's the only way we're 457 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: going to get out of this mess. So that's number. 458 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: What Number two is, um if no one gives you 459 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: permission to claim it, just go on and claim it yourself. 460 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: We don't need someone's permission to claim it. To know 461 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: who you are and and take that, take hold of that. 462 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: And number three is be sensitive to place. You know, 463 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: if you're in Georgia now, then you are in the 464 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: homeland of a different nation and that's okay. And so 465 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: find the nation who you are standing on their land, 466 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: which in your case they might be relocated to Oklahoma, 467 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: but nevertheless, there's always repatriation work going on where they're 468 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: giving land back to indigenous peoples and if there isn't, 469 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: become a part of that. And my personal feeling is 470 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: wherever land you're standing on, uplift the nations who used 471 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: to take care of those lands, because those are the songs, 472 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: those are the ceremonies, those are the traditional ecological knowledge 473 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: bases that are suited to that specific biome, that specific 474 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: ecological context, and those are the ones who have the 475 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: answers of how to become sovereign in terms of food 476 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: security right there in that place. Yeah, that's really valuable. 477 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate it from a personal from a personal place. Um, 478 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 1: I'll definitely keep all of that mind as well as 479 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: in my policy making and thinking about repatriation and like 480 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: what that might look for us, look like for us 481 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: as a local government. Thank you for all the work 482 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: you do, and again, thank you for honoring your indigenous ancestry. 483 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: It's been really fun to be a part of supporting that. 484 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: I lived in Alabama for about a year once and 485 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: all the people I met were indigenous from some community somewhere. 486 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Most of them, i'd say a good whether they look 487 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: black or they look white. We're a lot of us 488 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: are shirring that. And so my last message I'll just 489 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: leave us with is, you know, please honor that and 490 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: and research that and and give yourself permission to carry 491 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: that with you wherever you go. Okay, great, all right, 492 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: Well I know where to find you. I'm following you. 493 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I just bought your album, uh to the people's knowledge 494 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: on band campus, that cloud Instagram, it's just Lila June Twitter. 495 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: It's Lila June for in Him And yeah, thank you 496 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: so much for having me. This is a very interesting 497 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: and beautiful conversation, and I hope it inspires many many 498 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: listeners out there, whether they're you know, seasoned politicians or 499 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: everyday citizens like us, you know, to stand up and 500 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: and run for office and know and believe in yourself 501 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: that you're completely worthy of doing so. Thank you so much. 502 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Have a great rest of your day. All right, thanks 503 00:29:46,520 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: for your time, guys. Bye, just right now. As with 504 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: like a lot of other aspects of society, one of 505 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: the clearest ways to see the inequalities and hardships that 506 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: face indigenous populations is through the COVID lens. Now it's 507 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: well known that people of color face greater greater risk 508 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: than others from the deadly virus, and that risk only 509 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: increases with Indigenous folk. We came across a really dope 510 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: article in The Atlantic by University of Oregon history professor 511 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Ostler, titled Disease has Never been Just disease for 512 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: Native Americans. It references virgin soil epidemics, which is a 513 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: theory popularized by Jared Diamonds, Guns, Germs, and Steel that 514 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: when Europeans arrived in the Western hemisphere, they brought diseases, 515 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: particularly things like smallpox and measles, that Indigenous people had 516 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: never experienced before. Because we had no immunity to these diseases, 517 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: the resulting epidemic took the lives of or more of 518 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: the native of population throughout the America's However, new search 519 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: has shown that centuries after the Europeans came post contact, 520 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: effects of diseases devastated indigenous peoples, not because of the 521 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: lack of immunity, but due to the conditions created by 522 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: the Europeans and US colonialisms. It made commute native communities 523 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: more vulnerable to this, The article goes on to state 524 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: to understand how dire the COVID nineteen the situation is 525 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: becoming for these communities. Consider the situation and folding for 526 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: the Navajo Nation people with homelands in Arizona, New Mexico, 527 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: and Utah. As of a sixty infections and fifty dats 528 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: have been reported among the Navajo reservations a hundred and 529 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: seventy thousand people a mortality rate of thirty thousands. Only 530 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: six states have a higher per capita toll. That's nuts, yeah, um. Now, 531 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: part part of what making what makes combating COVID so 532 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: difficult UH are the ongoing effects of colonialism. So the Navajo, 533 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: they already have a high incidence of conditions like diabetes, hypertension, 534 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: lung disease that increase their chances of getting gravely ill 535 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: from the virus. That in the lack of access to 536 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: clean water, hand sanitizer, hospital beds, and medical personnel. It 537 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: all helps like spread and compact and compound the whole situation. 538 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: Racial misclassification and exclusion of Indigenous communities from data sets 539 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: and analysis that are used to make public health policies 540 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: also play a role in this. So Trump appropriated ten 541 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: billion dollars to travel governments after initially resisting but um 542 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: as of now, the Treasury Department tasks but distributing these 543 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: funds has failed to disperse them properly. The CDC initially 544 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: denied tribal epidemiology centers, including the Urban Indian Health Institute, 545 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: access to data about testing and confirmed to COVID nineteen cases, 546 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: even though it was making those data available to states. 547 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: Data collected by tribes, local and state health departments, and 548 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: national agencies are also often inconsistent. The social demographer for 549 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: the University of California and Los Angeles and citizen of 550 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: the Northern Cheyenne Nation, Desis Rodriguez Lone Bear. He said, 551 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: for so long data has been used against our people. 552 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: For example, the U S Census, which begins seventeen ninety, 553 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: excluded American Indians until eighteen sixty and didn't count those 554 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: living on reservations until the nineteen hundreds. The census data 555 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: was then used to justify the invasion of settlements and 556 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: supposedly empty land. And so I feel like again we're 557 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: saying this like this, this uh eurocentric colonialist desire and 558 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: impulse to quantify things and to reduce things into data 559 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: and to like, uh, to be able to you know, 560 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: put things on a fucking biograph as used implicitly as 561 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: a tool for the destruction of people who fall outside 562 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: of that, who don't who don't subscribe to those world views. 563 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: And then if you go off of like the logic 564 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: of blood quantums, it's like, as folks continue to marry 565 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: outside of their tribes or you know, reduce those quantifiable 566 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: like that quantified aple indigenuity among their descendants, are fewer 567 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: and fewer people that technically count as stative American And 568 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: so this thing we're like, oh, you know, since this 569 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: data were used to justify the invagement and settlement of 570 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: these lands because they were supposedly empty, it's like, well, also, 571 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: there's no one to worry about because there are fewer natives, 572 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: because folks, because because according to this uh measurement, there's 573 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: just fewer people that count as members of the tribe. 574 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: And so there's all these ways that like so it's 575 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: like all backhanded, sneaky ship to get out of what 576 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: they owe. There is like sneaky genocide. Damn a whole 577 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: a new flavor genocide, the sneaky brand. Ohleness generess. Okay, 578 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I descride the fact that I like 579 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: grew up around Native cultures in you know, rural North Carolina. 580 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: A watershed moment for me and my sense of solidarity 581 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: with indigenous movements for land protection and tribal sovereignty. Uh 582 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: and for many people UM was the Dapple protests back 583 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: in Yeah, um and so uh. A number of hip 584 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: hop artists also were a part of that movement. UM. 585 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: At the height of standoff between protesters and security police 586 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: forces over the Dakota Access Pipeline, a collection of artists 587 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: in public figures, most of whom are native UM released 588 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: a song and video titled Stand Up, Standing Rock and 589 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: Support of the Movement UM. It was organized by Black 590 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: Eyed Peas or no. It was organized by Taboo of 591 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: the Black Eyed Peas who has sho showny heritage, and 592 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: the song was to promote awareness as well as stand 593 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: as an anthem for Indigenous people across the country. So. 594 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: Some of the artists featured on the track are Flute, 595 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: m c One, Djesus among others. And we're going to 596 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: be checking out a song from Jesus later. So UM. 597 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: From what I gathered from what I was seeing there. 598 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: The most that I could find was like Chance the 599 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: Rapper and some other celebrities. I mean, there were some 600 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: celebrities who were commenting about it, but as far as 601 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: some hip hop ship goes, I think Chance the Rapper 602 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: might have commented on it, but there wasn't too much 603 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: noise being made from the non indigenous rap community. And 604 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: that's a problem. I mean, yeah, we're like we are 605 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: stolen people on stolen land. Like we're all subjects to 606 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: colonialism and our cultural arrature and subjugation, and like we 607 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: got a band together and fight back. I mean, like 608 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: the same people that are telling us to go back 609 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: to Africa, it's like you should go back to you know, man, 610 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: like like we all I don't know, I just feel 611 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: like we all got to get free and so like 612 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: getting Native folks their sovereignty back, like and also you know, 613 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: getting Actually this is something we weren't even gonna get 614 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: into the show. But like there was this woman that 615 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: ran for Congress in Georgia's sixth district by the name 616 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: of Brenda Lopez, who, when asked on a endorsement questionnaire, 617 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: I think for like our revolution or something. Um if 618 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: she's reported reparation. She was like, yeah, as long as 619 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: it includes Native people. They literally had never thought about 620 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: that before. Her Land back is like a movement one 621 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: that I need to learn more about, frankly, but like 622 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: the idea of like the the other forms of loss 623 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: that these folks have incurred, and um, thinking about what 624 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: that means in terms of giving, you know, repairing then 625 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: reparating that. Uh, you know, it makes sense to me. 626 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: It makes sense what that looks like and whether or 627 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: not there is a strong movement for that, like in 628 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: in the in in business communities, Um, what do you 629 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: think down to fight together? I'm going to have you 630 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: back to get your representations too, Like let's do this, 631 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: Like in the hypothetical situation, let's say that it was 632 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: like the government was like, all right, we are going 633 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: to spend the next like three or four years setting 634 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: up the infrastructure to where we can repay some some 635 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: form of restitute of reparations to the Native American community. 636 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: Like do you think that that would open up the 637 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: floodgates for I don't mean floodgates in a bad way, 638 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: but I just mean do you think that would start 639 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: that would like start a new era of Um, I 640 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: guess this reconciliation the right word for it. But do 641 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: you think that like black reparations would be next there, 642 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 1: American descendants of slave reparations would be next. And then 643 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: like with the domino effect happened in the crackn Be released. Yeah, 644 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: you know what I honestly think would happen if they 645 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: started talking about reparations for indigenous people. Black people would 646 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: torpedo it. Damn. I kind of think you're ready, we 647 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: would go. We would all finding into each other about 648 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: who should get it first, should get it first, and 649 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: the you know, all this quantifying of who we are 650 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: racially based on the one drop and has been so 651 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: effective and in the ways that in the media and 652 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: in our discourse we talk about race has been so 653 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: so effective in dividing us. Like I can't even blame 654 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: people who are wanting to fight each other, because like 655 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: that should have been programmed from on high to the 656 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: point that it's straight up weaved into the fabric of 657 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: the culture. That's by design, Because if we didn't know, 658 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: if we come together, they're fucked. If all of us, 659 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: if the white working class and the gays and all 660 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: of the immigrants and the indigenous folks and we banded 661 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: together and rose up. They would be fucked well, didn't 662 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: want that, so they're like, well, you know, and with that, 663 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's talk some RAPPI rap rap ship. Let's 664 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: get into the music. So the first rapper up is 665 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: jjesus Uh. He is a Indigenous rapper who's a member 666 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: with the First Nation's Tribe. He's an activist in Calgary, Alberta. 667 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: He gained a good deal of notoriety with the release 668 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: of his two thousand and fourteen album Indian war Path. 669 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: And this is his track war Path. Let's check it 670 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: out and head slide alone and then me let's stab 671 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: funk just through the strongest a death in Genesi. I think, like, 672 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: for me, like the cool thing about it is, I 673 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: like how he's going in about like his culture and 674 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: his heritage and his pupil and ship. But stylistically, stylistically, 675 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 1: he's doing it as if he was like rapping his set, 676 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like if you're 677 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: listening to like a rapper who's like a like heavy 678 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 1: like crip rapper or something like that. Like the way 679 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: that they would be going off for their crew is 680 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: like how he's like going in for his tribe and 681 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: ship in the song I really did that. Yeah, It's 682 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: it's equal parts like commentary on the oppressive conditions that 683 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: they have to deal with as well as like celebration 684 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: of like the arrowheads and the buckskins and the in 685 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: the faith painting and the head dresses and like does 686 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: it does? It does in so many way It's like 687 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: perfectly fit the mold of like modern American hip hop, 688 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: like win sense of like analysis and uplift of like yo, 689 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,439 Speaker 1: while people out here k eat but like we're looking 690 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: at in the real Yeah, I would really admire that. Actually, 691 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: well ship, I mean there's the next one kind of 692 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,919 Speaker 1: takes that concept that you just brought up and kind 693 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: of takes it to the next level. This is um 694 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: by the Snotty Nose rez Kids. This is a track 695 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: called Bougie Natives. Now. The Snotty Nose Red res Kids 696 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: are another kid Nadian group there from the First Nation 697 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: as well. They're hip hop duo composed of Hasler Rapper, 698 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: Young d and Young Tribes. Yeah, they're currently banks in Vancouver. 699 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: He's not the tych movie spelled the Spirit Live Me 700 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: since I was, I mean I love it because like 701 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: the visuals, like you've got all these different kinds of 702 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: people in like in native dress. Some folks look more 703 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: like like typically North American fancy. There're thing going on, 704 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: and they facially look different with regards to the variety 705 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: of different ways to look native like condition to dress. 706 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: I just think that it's really dope representationally because like 707 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: it's not you know, the last video it was sort 708 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: of like there riding horses, they're hanging out in front 709 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: of a h t P. They're like, you know, sator 710 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: of the fire. There's a lot of like there's a 711 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 1: lot of like ancient uh Native like references and ship 712 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: like the arrowhead and word. But like, you know, it's okay, 713 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: Like I feel like this video is giving license to 714 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: like yo, it's I if you're indigenous and also being 715 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: part of the modern world, you're you're gauge where your gauges, 716 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: and you're you know, like making your tea in a 717 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: little can X boiler thing. I don't know what those 718 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: things are called, you know, I mean listeners, I know 719 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. I know what you're 720 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: talking about. That. I also, as a linguist, really enjoyed 721 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: what I would. I what I think was like native slang. Yeah, 722 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: I think he was putting a lot of native slang 723 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: and even just some like native words were dispersed through 724 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: the verse and stuff like that. Like he was saying, 725 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: he kept referencing Nietzsche and then he said Netzi please. 726 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah that made me chuckle. Yeah, Yeah, that's a cool 727 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: it's a cool mixture. I love it when it's gonna 728 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: sound fucked up. But I'm not a linguist like you, 729 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: so I can't word it the same way. But I 730 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: like it when hip hop is appropriated correctly into different cultures, 731 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Because it's like I don't know, 732 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: it's just like that's just like me that either there's 733 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: certain sorts of like ways of appropriating it into different 734 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 1: contexts and not even I know the term appropriation is neative, 735 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: different ways of like you know, remixing. I mean hip 736 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,959 Speaker 1: hop it's all about remixing things, and so there's certain 737 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: ways to appropriate to to remix cultural conventions while like 738 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: honoring and like while showing that you are like well 739 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: versed in them. Yeah, exactly what I mean. Like there's 740 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: there's appreparation where it's like you clearly don't know what 741 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: you're talking about exactly. I never felt the preparation was like, 742 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: oh no, you fucking no what what it's good? You 743 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: know me? Or it's like, oh, you remixing ship and 744 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: you clearly love the craft like you know me and 745 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: you know the type of hip hop that I just 746 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,919 Speaker 1: generally listened to for leisure, like the sort of stuff 747 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: that I'm into personally. So that song was definitely a 748 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: bit a bit lighter than the usual ship that I 749 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: like to listen to. But I never felt like I 750 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: was in the hands of posers while it was on. 751 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, the beat is jamming, 752 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: the flow is solid, and it's just like when you 753 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: when you use hip hop to like empower yourself and 754 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: your own identity. I think that's when hip hop is 755 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: like truly like at its peak, you know what I'm saying. 756 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: And they just owned that ship. So I love that. 757 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,439 Speaker 1: That was the dope. Our last song is from JB 758 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: the first lady who helped found the Indigenous hip Hop 759 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: Collective in East Vancouver. There was a key part of 760 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: the growing force of Canadian Indigenous women who are using 761 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: hip hop to standing their power JB. The First Lady 762 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: has songs about suicide and murder of Indigenous women, which 763 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: is a huge issue, know um, particularly in Canada, missing 764 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: and murdered Indigenous women. Like it's just like incredibly disproportioned 765 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: and not being taken seriously by the Canadian government. But 766 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: listens her song still Here. It's truth baden coobiden and shading, 767 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,560 Speaker 1: but you're here. That shows I I really think that 768 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: that is an effective use of a song to bring 769 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: like awareness to a particular issue. Like the refrain of 770 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,720 Speaker 1: the hook is crazy, ye know, the hook is crazy 771 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: and like the whole like it again, like remixes the 772 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: hip hop traditions of like of of critique, but like 773 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,439 Speaker 1: a sense of resilience at the same time, where she's 774 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: like we're still here, drinking water. They are here, we 775 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: have missing mothers and others, but like we still here, 776 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: Like that is the hip the hip hop is ship. 777 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: I never heard, Like there really is no difference in 778 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: the sentiment that she's getting across, like we ain't go 779 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: with nowhere, we go nowhere, same same ship, you know, 780 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: I know, I know that, Like it's gonna sound like 781 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 1: this is somewhat sexist or something, but I really mean 782 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: this in a purely like a purely craft way, and 783 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: not because they're both women, but her cadence really gave 784 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: me a no name five in the best way, and 785 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: that super unpredictable, like she doesn't have to adhere to 786 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: any sort of like prescribe sense of meter or yeah, 787 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: like or like, I feel like Lila's flow is like 788 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,240 Speaker 1: that too, went in it just did her thing. Doesn't 789 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: Lilas flow feel like it's like that too? Yeah? No, 790 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: that was that was dope. Um, we have one more 791 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: that wasn't the last one. We do have one more 792 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,719 Speaker 1: that I want to get to. This last joint is 793 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: by lightning Cloud. There's a track walk Alone Now. Lightning 794 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: Cloud is an l A based native hip hop duo 795 00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:01,399 Speaker 1: consisting of Christie Lightning and MC red Out. I've known 796 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: about red Cloud for years, Like as a freestyler, he's 797 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: he you know, he's put out some videos that definitely 798 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: from cats who freestyle in battle and ship like that. 799 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: You know, he's definitely has attention to those cats. But 800 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was in this group and 801 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,240 Speaker 1: what type of music he made outside of that scene 802 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: in that context. So here's walk Alone. My mom like yo, 803 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: that that beat fucking knacks the vocal intonation like his 804 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: his vocal styling because they're just ill. It reminds us 805 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: of a friend of ours, friend of the show zero. 806 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, they have a similar I don't even I 807 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: think it's not even necessarily the cadence, but it's the voice, 808 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: like they're they're coming from the same register. Whisper. Yeah, 809 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: it's like that, that whiskey and cigarettes voice. I don't 810 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: even think. So she smokes Tom Waits was from like 811 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: you know Thompton. Yeah, that's a good one. Besides, she's 812 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,879 Speaker 1: gonna love that ship. But no, that that song was dope. 813 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: It seemed to be like sort of almost a p 814 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: s A about homelessness. And from what I could tell 815 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: from the video was was that Las Vegas look like 816 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: Vegas to me. But yeah, it could have been l 817 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: a that could have been good around that is true. Well, 818 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: before we wrap it up, I do just want to 819 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: give like a little honorable mentions list of some other 820 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: indigenous hip hop artist just because we don't have enough 821 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: time to go through everybody to do a snippet of everybody, 822 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,919 Speaker 1: but shout out you guys should check out deaf One 823 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: Helen Back, West Coast Grizz Superman um an illustrated mess 824 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: uh phrase complexity. Lots of fresh Indigenous artists out there 825 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: for you all to check out. But that's gonna wrap 826 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: it up for us this week. I think we are 827 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: going to close this off a little bit more of 828 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,240 Speaker 1: a special way since you guys hear us enough. Instead 829 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: of us giving you guys that wraps the close off 830 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: the show, We're gonna bring back Lila June to do 831 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 1: one of her acapella pieces for y'all. And so Nope, 832 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm super excited for y'all. Hear it, yo hit us? Yes? Okay, Um, 833 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: hopefully my beatbox doesn't sound weird in this little microphone. Um. 834 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: We were all given sacred duties to this land. Take 835 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: care of Mother Earth, and she will help you understand 836 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: that everything we need is in the palm of her hand. 837 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: No need to drill, mind, conquer or extract. With faith 838 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 1: in the Creator, we will blaze a brand new path 839 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 1: when we let go a through the greed turns into 840 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: left unity of all people. That is what we're after. 841 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm cruising down the Red Road with sweet grass on 842 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 1: my dashboard. Used to drug and drink but now I'm sober. 843 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm faster, sharp as attack. He told me, can't 844 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 1: hold me back now. Yeah, I just want to build 845 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: a new world for my children with love, prayer and unity. 846 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: This nation is rebuilding up from the ash of genocide 847 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: and division. Red, black, yellow, white, as one. That's the vision. 848 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 1: Every race participates in this new beginning. Sacred is the masculine, 849 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: and sacred is the feminine, infinite, indigenous, continuous, deliberate. Nothing 850 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,800 Speaker 1: can stop the people once they got their intentions that. 851 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 1: Some people say that the land can be owned. Trip 852 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: Some people say that the land can be owned. But 853 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,280 Speaker 1: deep in our hearts, we know that isn't so, because 854 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,160 Speaker 1: we don't even own this flesh, show this bone. No, 855 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: we can't take it with us on the soul's journey home. No, 856 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: the only thing we own is the lessons that we 857 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: know when we wake from the slumber to remember we 858 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: are one, one beautiful people, under one beautiful son. We 859 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: must also release all claims to the earth, because she 860 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: don't belong to us, should we belong to her? That 861 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: is Dope super Fresh, Thanks for tuning in on'm Lingua Franca, 862 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 1: I'm dope knife, and we are waiting on reparations for 863 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: our native brothers and sisters too, So hurry out and 864 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: see y'all next week. M hmm. Waiting on Reparations as 865 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. Listen to Waiting on 866 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: Reparations on the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 867 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.