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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: which is a podcast. In case you didn't know that

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Speaker 1: what you're listening to is a podcast, which it is.

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Speaker 1: It's not just any podcast, though, it's a podcast about

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Speaker 1: all the coolest ship that's happened in history, done by

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Speaker 1: the coolest people in history. And I've got my cool

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Speaker 1: guests for this week, the one and only Christopher Wong. Christopher,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard of podcasts before? No, I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of Please please please explain to me this concept. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to figure it out as we go,

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Speaker 1: because we've also got our producer on here as well,

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Speaker 1: Sophie like Treman who Sophie, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: You invented the concept of not just podcasts but also

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Speaker 1: FM radio, and I think the telegraph was that you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're You're also leaving out the fact that I also

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Speaker 1: invented the fax machine. Oh yeah, well, I try to

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Speaker 1: forget about fax machines. Do not my best work, really,

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Speaker 1: like the the only thing you can still do with

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Speaker 1: fax machines that that you ever have to interface with

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Speaker 1: him is that every once in a while the lease

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Speaker 1: office has one, and you and your friends can also,

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Speaker 1: like I did in my childhood, spend it enormous amount

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Speaker 1: of time trying to figure out how to troll a

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Speaker 1: fax machine because all of you were born in like

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Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties and thus never had to use one.

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Speaker 1: I had to use a fax machine exactly once when

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Speaker 1: I was running a cooperative publisher and we're working with

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Speaker 1: this printer in Canada and they were like, you need

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Speaker 1: to fax us some contract and I was like, I

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Speaker 1: live in a van, what are you expecting here. I

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Speaker 1: like like I would like to keep this student student

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Speaker 1: But I did invent it, so I should know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you think. But anyways, that's not what we're here to

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Speaker 1: on the invention of the facts. Okay, well, let's do

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Speaker 1: a different episode. Let's do let's do something that is

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Speaker 1: very much like faxes, which is prison. Okay, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: sure I'm getting there. Well, I don't like either of them,

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Speaker 1: but that's fair. And more specifically, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: inaugural how to Break Out of Prison episode, allegedly how

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Speaker 1: to Allegedly Break out of Prison episode just in time

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Speaker 1: for Bastille Day, which is July. Firework noises, maybe some

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Speaker 1: helicopter blades, I don't know what. Okay, that was, maybe

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Speaker 1: more of an air conditioner, which there is an air

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Speaker 1: conditioner in this story as well as helicopters. So rather

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Speaker 1: than following just one particular person or movement, today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a whole bunch of different people

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Speaker 1: their status from incarcerated to a fugitive from justice. As

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Speaker 1: prison industrial complex might fall apart. And by prison industrial complex,

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Speaker 1: it would be a real shame if that system fell apart.

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Speaker 1: It would instead belong in um and hear me out, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: the advertising material of the fifteen letter acronym M M

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Speaker 1: C P W W T d C T. No one

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Speaker 1: French Revolution, but hear me out, there's so many We

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Speaker 1: can do episodes about the French Revolution, but we can

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Speaker 1: the anniversary, October, another prison was attacked and eight thirty

428
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Speaker 1: seven inmates were set free. In April one, militants with guns.

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Speaker 1: This is no longer the anti police brutality movement as

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Speaker 1: far as I understand. Militants with guns and the rocket

431
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Speaker 1: propelled grenades attacked another prison in the town of a Werry.

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Speaker 1: They blew open the administrative building, entered the prison yard

433
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Speaker 1: and eighteen thousand, eight hundred and eighty four prisoners escaped.

434
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Speaker 1: This was blamed on a separatist organization, the indigenous people

435
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Speaker 1: of bai Afra, who were trying to restore an independent

436
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: state called Biafra, but that group denies it was them.

437
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: Other articles blamed different ethnic separatist groups for some of

438
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Speaker 1: the attacks. I don't really have enough information to say

439
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: which which of these jail breaks were done by the

440
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: anti police brutality folks, in which we're done by militant

441
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: separatist organizations, But I do know that Nigeria is kicking

442
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: Europe and the US is asked in terms of mass

443
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: prison breaks. Yeah, that that's the thing. I think that

444
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: like the ones with the highest numbers tend to at

445
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: least from what I've seen, tend to be like armed

446
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: insurgents essentially like storming prisons. And that seems to work

447
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: pretty well as long as there are enough insurgents, and

448
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: there are like the the people in the prison are

449
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: insufficiently armed and cared, insufficient enough to like fight to

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Speaker 1: the death totally, totally that's yeah, that's the fun reading

451
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: of history is that if you don't want to go

452
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: to jail for a really long time, you just need

453
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: to have a lot, a lot, a lot of friends

454
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: who are very upset with rocket launchers preferably And yeah,

455
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I said friends. What's a friend without

456
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: a rocket launcher? Okay, So that's that's the most successful

457
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: way to break out of prison. Lots and lots of friends,

458
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: lots and lots of rocket launchers. But I repeat itself.

459
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: The easiest way is, of course, to just be let

460
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: out temporarily and then decided to stay gone. But another

461
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: way that people break out of prison sometimes as they

462
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: just walk right out and for whatever weird reason, no

463
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: one thinks to stop them. The only escape ee that

464
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I've ever personally corresponded with picked this particular tactic. So

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you about Helen Woodson. Helen Woodson

466
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Speaker 1: is a as a Catholic environmentalist and anti war activist.

467
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: She was born in n and by four she was

468
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: the mother of eleven kids, one by birth, ten were

469
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: kids with disabilities she adopted. She was, and I'm to

470
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: put it really lightly not a big fan of nuclear

471
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: weapons or capitalism, or environmental destruction or war or any

472
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. So one night, her and

473
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: three other people too Catholic priests and one a Jibwe

474
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: practitioner of a syncretic Catholic a Jibwe faith, they break

475
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Speaker 1: into a nuclear missile silo at Whiteman Air Force Base,

476
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: Missouri with sledgehammers and an air compressor and a jackhammer,

477
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: and they just start in on the top of a

478
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: nuclear missile silo. They just started on the concrete. And

479
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: these are the intracontinental ballistic missiles, the kind that are

480
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: designed to nuke Russia and you know, destroy all life

481
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: on Earth. This particular one that was, according to the

482
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: testimony from a soldier at their trial, had nine eight

483
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: times the destructive capacity of the nuke that the US

484
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: dropped on Nagasaki, which was the one that killed somewhere

485
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: between thirty nine and eight thousand people, up to a

486
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: round of the third of the population of the city

487
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: of Nagasaki. So they decided they didn't like this thing,

488
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: decided to go mess it up. And ever since that

489
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: day it has been the subject of an enormous interpretablele

490
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: bit debate about non violence, where people argue that they

491
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: should have been said, bombed it and I don't maybe

492
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Speaker 1: don't set off I mean, okay, On the one hand,

493
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: nuclear missiles mostly sort of are pretty safe, but also

494
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: maybe don't set off explosives next to the nuclear weapons. Yeah.

495
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: I also kind of just like if someone didn't do anything,

496
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: they can shut the funk up, like yeah, yeah, yeah,

497
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, you go breaking you know what, you

498
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: have a better idea, do it allegedly, Uh like I

499
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done what these people did. This is not

500
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: I'll get into it a little bit, but the strategic

501
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: choices that the Catholic radicals are making are not the

502
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: strategic choices that I would make. But they also did

503
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: ship so whatever yeah, which yeah, I mean okay, So

504
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: because Catholic left activists at the time are way more

505
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: into symbolism than efficacy, which is not my cup of tea.

506
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: I sorry, I wrote a really good joke in here,

507
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna read it out even though we've

508
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: already now covered this. It's not my cup of tea

509
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: or I guess my cup of communion wine a k A.

510
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: Literally God's it. But no one who said they didn't

511
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: have courage, they show up they start hammering away and

512
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: the thing they damaged, the silo they rend it dangerous

513
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: to shoot a missile out of it, actually comes up

514
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: in court that this is actually like a dangerous thing.

515
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: I guess if they had tried to shoot it anyway,

516
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: might have like blown up, and that would have been bad.

517
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: But I guess it also would have been bad if

518
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: it had successfully launched. Yeah, Like honestly, like if if

519
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: if a nuke is going to blow up somewhere and

520
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: they fired it at a target, I'd rather it blow

521
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: up in the silo and blow up like like in

522
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: the middle of Moscow or something. And so while they're

523
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: doing the sabotage, they are issuing Biblical and Ojibwe indictments

524
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: of the U. S Government for the quote production, deployment,

525
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: and willingness to use nuclear weapons of indiscriminate mass destruction

526
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: and quote desecrating the sacred Earth with nuclear weapons. They

527
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: also condemned institutional Christianity for quote complicity and preparation for

528
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: mass murder. And then because Catholics are fucking weird but

529
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: also kind of rule, they did that blood ceremony thing

530
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: they do with the the you Christ where they you're

531
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: a Christ you're a christ I grew up I grew

532
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: up Catholic, and I don't not none of what you

533
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: all just it's the Eucharist, I even sucking, okay whatever,

534
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: I even did this. We know they consecrate blood and

535
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: wine into the literal flesh and blood of Jesus and

536
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: then they eat it to gain his power and they

537
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: get arrested. And this wasn't the first time she had

538
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: done some blood magic. And I'm not trying to be dismissive.

539
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: I actually kind of a borderline Catholic, like the Catholic Church,

540
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: but I'm okay with my cultural Catholicism. I honestly find

541
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: the focus on ritual over like Bible classes to be cool.

542
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: So two years earlier, our girl, Helen Woodson, she got

543
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: herself a White House tour and in preparation, she filled

544
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 1: her youngest kids bottle with her own blood. Yeah, so

545
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: she goes to the White House and she pours blood

546
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: on the presidential flag, the U. S Flag, and the

547
00:28:54,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: presidential seal. Should I mean whatever, I don't know if

548
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: I compluse anything but news Twitter like you never know.

549
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: So okay, So the trial not for the White House thing,

550
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: but for the you know, jackhammers and sledgehammers thing. It's

551
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: a big thing in the anti nuclear movement. The four

552
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: activists they called themselves the Silo pruning Hooks, which is

553
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: then a name they got from the same place as

554
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: the larger movement. They were part of the plowshares movement.

555
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: The Book of Isaiah and the Old Testament reads, he

556
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: shall judge between the nations and shall arbitrate for many

557
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: people's They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their

558
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword

559
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. And if

560
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I ever do an episode on Catholic worker movement, I'm

561
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: sure you're gonna hear way more about the plowshares people.

562
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: But basically, during the Vietnam era, anarchist Catholic priests would

563
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: like break into draft board offices and burn draft records

564
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: or this is gonna shocking and surprise you, poor blood

565
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: on them. Um, they really liked this blunt thing. They're

566
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: really into it. I'm too squeamish for it. I don't

567
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: think I would make a very good Catholic. So and

568
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: in they kicked off the plowshares thing by some of

569
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: the anarchist Catholics broke into the General Electric Nuclear missile

570
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: facility in Pennsylvania and hammered on a warhead, nose cones

571
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: and poured blood onto documents. But trial, big trial protests.

572
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Six arrests outside the trial, two more missile silo breaking

573
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: attempts happened during the trial, and Helen Woodson she's not

574
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: having any of it from the judge of the court

575
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: because basically only God can judge her. She says, and

576
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: I quote, I'm withdrawing my active participation in these proceedings,

577
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: which I kind of I kind of love. Yeah, it's

578
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: pretty sick. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it

579
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: does any want any good. But whatever, it's her choice.

580
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, the four of them get convicted. It's the

581
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: first time civilians were convicted of sabotage since the law

582
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: was institute. Wow, it was literally I had to had

583
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: to get my one my here. Her co defendants wrote

584
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: appeals to lessen their sentences, which ranged from eight to

585
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: eighteen years. But Helen Woodson, now, she didn't give a ship.

586
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: She did not try to appeal her sentence. She just

587
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: took her eighteen years and in nine six she told

588
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Washington Post reporter Mary McGrory about leaving her kids behind.

589
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: If they were in a burning building, I would try

590
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: to rescue them. I am trying to rescue them from

591
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: a burning world. I first heard about Helen Woodson when

592
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: I was a baby anarchist and I was reading magazines

593
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: like the Earth First Journal, which included lists of political prisoners,

594
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: and Helen Woodson Century was just fucking cool, especially based

595
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: on what she did later. I'll get to that soon.

596
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: So I wrote her, and she wrote me back, and

597
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't have a letter anymore. This was twenty years ago,

598
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: when I was living out of a backpack, traveling around

599
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: like protest to protest, and possessions and me weren't great

600
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: at sticking together. But her letter was like, I don't know,

601
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: it's really hard felt and kind. And she said she

602
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: preferred being in maximum security prison basically because her conscious

603
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: demanded that she always act, and when she was in

604
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: minimum security prison, she just would break out because her

605
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: conscious compelled her to action, and it was kind of

606
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: inconvenient that she kept being compelled to act. So it's

607
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: just easier for her when she's in maximum security. Four

608
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: years into her sentence, she just walked out of prison.

609
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: What she just walked out the front door? Um, how

610
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: just just like, hey, this has been real thanks, I'm

611
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: going to head out, like what I think? So I

612
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: think she just walked by and they didn't stop her. Okay,

613
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: go off, go off. I don't think she prepared for

614
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: it much and I think she like And I don't

615
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: know whether she did this before or after she left.

616
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: She wrote a protest sign, so it's possible that she

617
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: walked out and people thought she was a protester leaving.

618
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But she writes a protest sign, she

619
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: walks out, and she just walks to the nearest town.

620
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: And I don't have the letter anymore, so I don't

621
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: remember all the details she told me. But eventually someone

622
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: picks her up and sends her back to prison because

623
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: she's not even really trying, and she gets sent to

624
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: a higher security prisoning I know. But saga does not

625
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: end here course, so after twelve years, she gets paroled.

626
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Within three days of her release, she goes and gets it,

627
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: buys a starter pistol, and walks into a bank in

628
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: Illinois with an unloaded starter pistol robs the place for

629
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: twenty six dollars and then burned the money on the

630
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: floor of the lobby. And depending on which account you read,

631
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: she either distributed a statement to crying capitalism or she

632
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: just said to the very confused crowd, quote, money is evil.

633
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: You don't believe in God, you only worship money. It's

634
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: extremely funny, you know. It's like, again, not what I

635
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: would choose, right, but like it's like when I was

636
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: a baby anarchist, I thought this was the coolest thing ever.

637
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: But now I think that there's better things to do

638
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: with stolen money. And we'll get to a bank robber,

639
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: prison escape or later in the second half of the

640
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: episode that better exemplifies practice from my point of view.

641
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: But you'll be shocked to know that this guy are

642
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: sent back to prison, this time for nine years, which

643
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: she did. She did her nine years and then she

644
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: got out and she didn't she didn't just decide to leave. No, no, unfortunately. Yeah,

645
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: I think that they are on the lookout for this

646
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: castolic lady just walking out. You could only get away

647
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: with that move like one time, Okay, fair enough. I

648
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: feel like at that point they have like you put

649
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: up like signs next to like the person standing at

650
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: the gate, just like you're face on it. Nice Margaret,

651
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: speaking of asking very nicely, do you know do you

652
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: know that do you know what time it is? Is

653
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: it time to ask very nicely? To continue to be

654
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: employed by being supported by various advertisers? Uh? Yes, Um,

655
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: hopefully it's it's one for potatoes or something we like.

656
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: I know I've been Yeah, everyone probably knows this by now,

657
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: But we're only sponsored by very positive things, including tap

658
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: water and potatoes. So far are the sponsors that we've

659
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: managed to wrangle, not any brand of potatoes, the concept

660
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: of potatoes. But here's some ads and we are back.

661
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: Just like Helen Woodson is back out of jail after

662
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: surveying it nine years, and as soon as she gets out,

663
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: she starts sending threatening letters to very as government officials

664
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and maybe the heads of polluting corporations, like she sends

665
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: letters to the Supreme Court justice and the chair of

666
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: the board of the Federal Reserve. And in these threatening

667
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: letters are live thirty eight caliber bullets. The letters say

668
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: something like your actions are like bullets into the heart

669
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: of creation. And that is not a direct quote, that

670
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: is a paraphrase from memory, because again don't have access

671
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: to this letter. This got her sent back to prison again.

672
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: I lost count bunch of times, and in court she

673
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: refuses to answer questions and tells the judge I don't

674
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: believe in this core process because of my religious beliefs

675
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: and do not wish to participate in it. Therefore, a

676
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: speedy resolution is good for me. Her defense is literally

677
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: encourted just I don't care. It's a real I have

678
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: nothing but contempt for this court hours. Yeah. Um, so

679
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: she's actually out of prison now. She was released in

680
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: twenty eleven after twenty seven years in prison, and she

681
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: seems to be staying out. I have seen anything in

682
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: the news from her for the past ten years. So okay.

683
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I guess if someone threatens, the

684
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: head of the Federal Reserve will know who it is.

685
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, we've now reached a period where if someone threatens,

686
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: you can't actually tell the politics of someone who threatens

687
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: the head of the Federal Reserve anymore. Yeah. That's that's

688
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: that's very sad. Yeah. Her last public letter before her

689
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: release to the anti nuclear movement was this like joyful

690
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: boomer prisoner ship about how she was going to miss

691
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: her fellow felons and how she liked the raccoons that

692
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: she used to watch and how she's confused the first

693
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: time she had to use a computer mouse. Um, she

694
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: like picked up the computer mouse and we pointed it

695
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: at the screen like a remote. Anyway, Helen Winson, she

696
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: only broke out once and not for very long. But

697
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: she's cool, so she belongs in this episode. Yeah, and

698
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: she just walked She just walked out. That's like that

699
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: that that is the most like plot of a heist movie.

700
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: Way to break out of prison? Well, we're going to

701
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: get out of the prison. I'm gonna walk Oh, we're

702
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: going into a heist or going to We're going into

703
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: a walkout. Guy. Oh, you were saying that it's only

704
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna work out once to walk out of prison. But

705
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: our man, Stephen J. Russell, has a different opinion about that.

706
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: He did not break out of jail out of principle.

707
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: He broke out of jail for love. For gay love

708
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: at least is admirable. It might be more. I know

709
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: that's even better. So so Stephen J. Russell, he's a

710
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: con man. He was a con man, or he is

711
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: a con man. I don't know. He's still alive. Sadly

712
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: he's in prison spoiler alert, but there's actually hit Jim

713
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Carrey movie about him called I Love You Philip Morris,

714
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: because the guy he's in love with is named Philip Morris. So.

715
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Stephen J. Russell was born in nineteen fifty seven. He

716
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: was raised by conservative Christian adoptive parents. He grew up,

717
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: he married a woman, He had a kid. He played

718
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: organ at church. He even worked as a volunteer cop,

719
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: which is probably the worst kind of cop. Yeah, well,

720
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the worst kind of comp is the cop

721
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: who like pays to be a cop. Yeah, okay, fair, yep,

722
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: all right, So he's a middling cop in terms of

723
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: his scale of best best diddy and maybe maybe troop

724
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: cop is worse to wait, troop cops. Well, yeah, I

725
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: guess there's there's two kinds of troop cop. There's there's

726
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: like military police, and then there's also like a cop

727
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: who used to be a troop or like uniformly the

728
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: worst people on earth. So instead he's a closeted volunteer cop.

729
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: And in the mid eighties he's like, I've changed my

730
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: mind about a lot of things in my life. He

731
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: comes out of the closet. He abandons his family, which

732
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: he later says it's like pretty much his only regretting

733
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: all of this. Uh. He moves to Houston and lives

734
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: as a game man, and he he tries to play

735
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: it straight, um, in terms of his employment, not his

736
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: sexual life, and he thanks, I didn't even write that

737
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: one into the script on the flag. So he tries

738
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: to work a regular job, but they fire him for

739
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: being gay. So he's like, you know, crime crime doesn't

740
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: care if you're gay. Uh, I believe there's a whole

741
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: name about this. Yeah. Um. So he, you know, instead

742
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: of being a copy, decides to be gay do crime.

743
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: And so the first thing he gets caught for, at

744
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: least his insurance fraud. He like fakes a slip and

745
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: fall and tries to get insurance and it doesn't go

746
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: very well. He's he's serving time, but his boyfriend not

747
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: Philip Morris. He hasn't met Philip Morris yet. His boyfriend's

748
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: dying of AIDS, and he's like, well, fuck being in prison.

749
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: My boyfriend's dying of AIDS. So he steals a walkie

750
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: talkie and some black pants and, as he put it

751
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: in a piece in the Guardian, about him. Quote, I

752
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: tapped on the security gate with miwalkie talkie and the

753
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: guy let me through. He explains, nonchalantly, was he scared? No,

754
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: And if you're scared, you really mustn't show it. You

755
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: have to act like you're meant to be there. So

756
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: he's free from prison, He goes and he takes care

757
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: of his boyfriend as he dies, and a few weeks

758
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: later he gets caught and sent back to prison, and

759
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: there he meets Philip Morris, the love of his life.

760
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: Philip Morris is five ft two, Stephen is six ft two.

761
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: So Philip asks Steven if he can reach a book

762
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: from a high shelf for him, and he describes it

763
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: as lust at first sight. The two were eventually released

764
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: from prison and they started living together, and Stephen wanted

765
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: to take care of Philip, so he, you know, decided

766
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: to take care of him by getting a good paying job,

767
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: a job that he was absolutely in no way qualified for. Fortunately,

768
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: you could just lye your ass off about qualification, and

769
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: he was soon the chief financial officer at a company.

770
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: What and he figures go ahead that that he is

771
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: to be fair like how probably thirty percent of like

772
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: the world's existing chief financial officers get their jobs by

773
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: wildly lying about random stuff. Oh yeah, totally. Um. Capitalism

774
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: is not a game that is designed for the honest. Nope.

775
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: But he figures he's going to get caught, so he

776
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: immediately starts in bezzling because he's gonna get fired. So

777
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: he steals almost a million dollars before he gets caught

778
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: and arrested, and they set as bail to also almost

779
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: a million dollars to nine and fifty thousand dollars, and

780
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: that seems too high to him, so he called the

781
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Court Records office, impersonated a judge and had them lower

782
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: the bail to forty five dollars, which he promptly paid.

783
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: He wrote them a check with a check that bounds. Yeah,

784
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: that's reasonable. Yeah, um rule. So he gets caught from

785
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: his second jail break when he calls his friends to

786
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: ask for money, and the cops trace those calls back

787
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: to a motel. Telecommunications continues to be this man's undoing this,

788
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: we'll get too later. He gets sent to maximum security

789
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: and since for some weird reason, they've decided he's a

790
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: flight risk, so in maximum security prison, he decides to

791
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: leave again. To quote the Guardian, he stockpiled green felt

792
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: tip pens from prison art classes, squeezing the ink from

793
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: the cartridges into a sink of water, and dyeing his

794
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: overalls the color of surgical gowns. Underneath of the makeshift

795
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: medical clothes, Russell taped several plastic bags tightly to his

796
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: body so that police dogs would not be able to

797
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: follow his scent. Once he was on the run, he

798
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: picked a moment when the woman manning the front desk

799
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: was on the telephone and then, unquestioned by prison staff,

800
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: simply walked out dressed like a doctor. Huh. Incredible. So

801
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: he walks to the nearest nearest house and says, Hey,

802
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor and I was in a car accident

803
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: and I need a ride into town. And it works

804
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: and so yes, so he goes and he finds Philip,

805
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: who was out on bail for his own part in

806
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: the embezzlement thing, and the two funck off to go

807
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: be gamblers in Mississippi, where were unfortunately quickly caught by U. S.

808
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: Marshals and sent to maximum security. But our guys, do

809
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: you think he wanted to be in prison? No, it

810
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: really really doesn't seem like it. Yeah, he didn't he

811
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: didn't really want to be in prison, and so he

812
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: changed his mind about being there, so he stepped up

813
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: his game. He used laxatives and his acting skills to

814
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: fake the symptoms of AIDS, which he knew pretty well

815
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: because he had lost a boyfriend to it. He forged

816
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: medical documents claiming he was sick. He posed as his

817
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: own doctor over the phone and said he had been

818
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: accepted for an experimental medical study, and they let him out.

819
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: Then he faked records of his own death and sent

820
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: them to the jail so they'd stopped looking for him.

821
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: God love your own death. Incredible, you know. But he

822
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: but he had a problem. Philip is still in jail,

823
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: and he had to at least see him, so he

824
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: forges attorney credentials. He calls Philip jail and then has

825
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: him transferred to another city where he Steven wouldn't be recognized,

826
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: and then he goes to the jail pretending to be

827
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: an attorney in order to visit Philip. He needed money

828
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: and funk working, so he impersonated a millionaire to try

829
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: and get a loan. But this time it didn't work.

830
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, and since he was going to get arrested,

831
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: he faked a fucking heart attack and got sent to

832
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: the hospital instead. While he was in the security wing

833
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: of the hospital, he pulled out his cell phone, called

834
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: the hospital, claimed to be the FBI, and said he

835
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: should be released. So they released him. Look, he only

836
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: made it a couple of weeks after that before the U. S.

837
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Marshals caught him when he was receiving a facts. Oh no,

838
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: mastered at the story you know, secret villain Sophie Lichterman

839
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: and or the concept of telecommunications, because this is how

840
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: he keeps getting caught and he's still in prison now.

841
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: There was a flurry of media stories about him after

842
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: the Jim Carrey movie about twelve years ago, and not

843
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: much empho. Since he's he's written a couple of books

844
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: and he is eligible for parole. He says he's stopped

845
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: trying to escape because he can't be with Philip Morris anyway,

846
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: So what's the point. Oh, that's very sad. On the upside,

847
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: he did he did literally do the thing from an

848
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: episode of Leverage. That's amazing that that is a that

849
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: is a studying series of prison breaks. And also I

850
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: guess like goes back to one thing that he is

851
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: genuinely very important, which is that the easiest way to

852
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: defeat a system is by defeating the people in it. Yes,

853
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: and by doing social engineering stuff. Absolutely that. Yeah. Rockebilt

854
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: grenades were two. Yeah, they're very very kind of freaking walls.

855
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: On the other hand, they are expensive and impersonating people

856
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: not expensive, Yeah, very cheap. Turns out that's the ad

857
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: for denity theft. I just want to know, like, how

858
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: did he like change his voice or does he just like, no,

859
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I think it's just confidence, right, He's like, no,

860
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a fed Let me let that. Let let

861
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: him I mean me, I mean them, Let let him out. Yeah. Well,

862
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: and I think there's there's like an everything going on here,

863
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: Which is it like the more like, the more deeply

864
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: embedded you are in an authoritarian institution the word like, like,

865
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: the more willing you are to just sort of like

866
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: accept that someone with authority is telling you to do

867
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: with things, so you do it even if it makes

868
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: literally no sense, totally totally because people are afraid of

869
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: the authority. Figure. Yeah. Well, and they've they've been conditioned

870
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: like so much by just the fact that the threat

871
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: of violence is hanging over them like so constantly. The

872
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever pulled off with like sheer confidence

873
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: was when I was a twenty year old squatter punk

874
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: in St. Louis. I wanted to go into a punk show,

875
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: but it costs money. The bastards, it's not very punk

876
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: of them, and someone had just given us a stack

877
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: of leftover pizzas from a music video shoot, because people

878
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: think street punks are like really cool and some people

879
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: like give us stuff sometimes. So I go to the

880
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: back door of the punk show with the box of

881
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: pizzas or like stack of box of pizzas which I've

882
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: taken all of the different pieces and put them in

883
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: the top box and there's like one complete pizza. And

884
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: I go to the back and I opened up the

885
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: pizza box and I say, this is pizza for the band,

886
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: and they say okay, and they let me in and

887
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: I put the pizza down in the green room and

888
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: I went and watched the show. And then because I'm

889
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: a very smart person, I decided I'm hungry. I know

890
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: where there's pizza, and so I went back into the

891
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: green room, I got the pizza, and I got kicked

892
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: out because they know I was not supposed to be there,

893
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: so I I I'm much less cool than you when

894
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: you can tell how muchless cool than you because I did.

895
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: I did basically that same thing, but it was a

896
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: d S A convention. Now that's cooler. The funny thing

897
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: is they knew I wasn't supposed to be there, but

898
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was like I was carrying like a giant.

899
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: I was carrying like a white boards. It was a

900
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: massive board. And they're like, oh, you can't come in

901
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: here if you have fundials. I'm like, okay, well I

902
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: have this board. I have to bring it in, so

903
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: let's bring it. Brought it in and it's like, didn't leave.

904
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: So that's how I broke into the two thousand and seventeen, seventeen,

905
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: nineteen seven whatever. Yeah. Yeah, like look that that organ.

906
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm no longer in the organs. There's there's nothing they

907
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: could do to me. Like if if they want to

908
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: press charges, good luck. Well so it does work. Yeah,

909
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: even even even when they know you're not supposed to

910
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: be there, you can just do it this way again

911
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: in the show, is you carry equipment for the band, Well,

912
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: this is where we're gonna leave it for today. Chris

913
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about jail break. I'm still very

914
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: happy about them, Like, yeah, a lot of people are

915
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: keep getting arrested, But on the other hand, it is

916
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: extremely cool. So all in all, I'm so I'm so

917
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: excited about it. I'm hoping it's not going to get

918
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: worse in the next episode. But this isn't bastards. Yeah,

919
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: this is this is cool people who did cool stuff

920
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: forsted by Margaret Keljoy. That's right. And when we come

921
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: back on Wednesday, we're gonna talk about tunnels, We're gonna

922
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: talk about helicopters, we're gonna talk about out running dogs,

923
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: and at least one person is going to get stabbed

924
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: in the neck. Oh no, anyway, is it a good?

925
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: Is that? I guess we'll find out next week if

926
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: that's stabbing the neck good or stabbing the neck bad.

927
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, we'll find out. Yeah. Um, um, you got

928
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: any plus doubles for us? Are you in the podcasting

929
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: game as well? Yeah? I do a podcast called it

930
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: could Happen Here. Um. You can find it on on Twitter,

931
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: Instagram that Happened Here pod. Uh. You can listen to

932
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: it and you will understand why you assume everything is

933
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: going to get worse. Yeah? And what and where can

934
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: people follow you on Twitter? You personally? Yeah? You can

935
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: find me at R three or I guess the ice

936
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: must be destroyed guy. Um, yeah, and I'm there most

937
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: of the time. Margaret Wednesday, we're back. We are back. Wait, no,

938
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: that's what I say after the adds. It's just in

939
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: my brain now. Yes, we will be back on Wednesday.

940
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: Podcast is ruining your brain. That is true. That's the

941
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: cool people who did Cool Stuff is a production of

942
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media,

943
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check

944
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: us out on the I Heard Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

945
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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.