1
00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Alan Zislowski is a fantasy sports video content manager and

2
00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,199
Speaker 1: editor at Roodo Wire and the host of The Dynasty

3
00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,280
Speaker 1: Hour on Sirius XM Fantasy Radio. He previously did work

4
00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,000
Speaker 1: at Roster Watch. He's a high stakes player, a win

5
00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 1: now dynasty manager, and he once got hacked on Twitter.

6
00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:33,839
Speaker 1: These are his Late Round perspectives. This episode is sponsored

7
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,600
Speaker 1: by DraftKings. We've partnered up with DraftKings again this year

8
00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,760
Speaker 1: for Best Ball, and we've got to can't miss offer

9
00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,000
Speaker 1: on their biggest best Ball contest ever, twenty million dollars

10
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,960
Speaker 1: in total prizes. It's Draft one, get one, draft your

11
00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,040
Speaker 1: team once, no weekly lineup management, and your top scorers

12
00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,199
Speaker 1: start automatically each week all season long. Download the DraftKings

13
00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,720
Speaker 1: Daily Fantasy app and sign up with promo code Late Round.

14
00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,040
Speaker 1: Enter a lineup in the twenty million dollars Best Ball

15
00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,000
Speaker 1: Contest for twenty five and get a bonus ticket for

16
00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,680
Speaker 1: a second entry two shots at the title Draft one

17
00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,800
Speaker 1: get one only on Draft Case, The crown is yours.

18
00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,480
Speaker 2: I don't like all the intro stuff. Welcome to my podcast.

19
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,319
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, right?

20
00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,000
Speaker 1: I hate that, Like I've always done the cold open

21
00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,319
Speaker 1: because I feel like every show just ends up going, hey, Alan,

22
00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,959
Speaker 1: how are you today? And then you're like, good, how

23
00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,759
Speaker 1: are you? And then that's you know, this is just

24
00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,880
Speaker 1: a minute and a half of that and no one

25
00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,479
Speaker 1: needs to hear.

26
00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,440
Speaker 2: That part, and no one cares how you are, no

27
00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,920
Speaker 2: one over I produce a lot of the the video

28
00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,959
Speaker 2: stuff over at road a wire, and I tell these guys,

29
00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,920
Speaker 2: no one cares about your golf trip until they care

30
00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,560
Speaker 2: about you know, just like just just get right to it,

31
00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,160
Speaker 2: like shock. You know, our mutual colleague Sigmun Bloom does

32
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 2: this right like he comes in like with a fantasy question,

33
00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,240
Speaker 2: but it does. Yes, yeah, and I love that. But

34
00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,120
Speaker 2: also just talking about how intros are bad and your

35
00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,040
Speaker 2: intro is also elite level intro.

36
00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,080
Speaker 1: This is this is like next level stuff right now. Yes, yes,

37
00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,160
Speaker 1: I always go back to uh. I don't know if

38
00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,080
Speaker 1: you've ever seen that one video from Pete Overz that

39
00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,160
Speaker 1: from like five or six years ago, maybe even longer.

40
00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,160
Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's him his back is to the camera, okay,

41
00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,640
Speaker 1: and there's this like really like there's like this like

42
00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,079
Speaker 1: pretty extreme like rap going on in the background, like

43
00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,639
Speaker 1: intro music. Because that's how fantasy football shows are, right,

44
00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,440
Speaker 1: Like they have this like really intense music and then

45
00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,160
Speaker 1: you know overs that's slowly turning his chair around, and

46
00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,120
Speaker 1: then he's staring at the camera and he's got this

47
00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,400
Speaker 1: like really serious look, like we got you know, this

48
00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,600
Speaker 1: intense music is going on, and then all of a

49
00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,799
Speaker 1: sudden he goes, welcome everybody to another episode.

50
00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,840
Speaker 2: It's almost like an snl skit Fantasy Football open. But

51
00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,720
Speaker 2: also you do a gazillion podcast like I know you

52
00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,720
Speaker 2: like everybody, You're a friendly guy. But that that chit

53
00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,960
Speaker 2: chat in the beginning of the podcast, it's it's it's uncomfortable, unnecessary.

54
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,920
Speaker 2: Let's get to it, man.

55
00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,400
Speaker 1: Let you know, I agree, that's what That's what the

56
00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,639
Speaker 1: Late Round podcast was built off. It was just get

57
00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,600
Speaker 1: people the information they need. You know, we have other

58
00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,240
Speaker 1: shows in the in the feed now, like we do

59
00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,320
Speaker 1: the Late Round show where we have a little but

60
00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,680
Speaker 1: like I think that the other thing too is that

61
00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,680
Speaker 1: I think that if if you're if your listener becomes

62
00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,920
Speaker 1: aware that how things are structured, and then you know,

63
00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,760
Speaker 1: if they want to skip ahead, skip ahead, it's it's fine,

64
00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's that's some big I think the

65
00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,480
Speaker 1: bigger problem is when the expectations are not aligned with

66
00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,920
Speaker 1: what the listener, you know, is expecting as they go

67
00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,560
Speaker 1: into listening to a show of some sort, and then

68
00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, they're they're in the

69
00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,239
Speaker 1: middle of like a really intense fantasy football conversation, and

70
00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,639
Speaker 1: then they just start talking, you know, like you said

71
00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,400
Speaker 1: about their golf trip or something, or.

72
00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,440
Speaker 2: Like you know about like the basketball game that you know,

73
00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,840
Speaker 2: this video that we're making is like fantasy football related.

74
00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,480
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be relevant to someone in six weeks

75
00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800
Speaker 2: from now. No one's going to care about the NBA

76
00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,600
Speaker 2: big game that you just saw. I mean, it's it's

77
00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,800
Speaker 2: good for the moment. Yeah, so yeah, I.

78
00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,040
Speaker 1: Mean, it was sweet. It was sweet. The finals, both

79
00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,880
Speaker 1: both finals, both the NBA and NHL finals were great

80
00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:58,480
Speaker 1: in my opinion.

81
00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,480
Speaker 2: And now we're doing it. Now, we're talking about something

82
00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,520
Speaker 2: that no one's got six weeks now.

83
00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,040
Speaker 1: We ruin this all right, Well, let's let me first

84
00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,000
Speaker 1: bring up because we talked about this whenever we were

85
00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 1: you and I were chatting on a show a couple

86
00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160
Speaker 1: of months ago. But we're in a wild dynasty league

87
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,840
Speaker 1: together where it's ten analysts. Uh. This was started by

88
00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,800
Speaker 1: some of the football guys. Guys and uh there's ten

89
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,680
Speaker 1: analysts and it's a start too, but also additional two

90
00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,440
Speaker 1: super flex leagues so you can realistically start four quarterbacks

91
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,200
Speaker 1: and then you know there's other there's other uh you know,

92
00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,599
Speaker 1: flex pieces in there for running back, wide receiver. And

93
00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,680
Speaker 1: I remember we had this conversation because we we talked

94
00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,280
Speaker 1: before the rookie draft happened, and I went with more

95
00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,880
Speaker 1: a productive struggle. Year one, you won the league. So

96
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000
Speaker 1: let's everyone give kudos to Allen here. Clap clap, clapa

97
00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,799
Speaker 1: you you won year one, which I was really upset

98
00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,679
Speaker 1: about because now me, yeah, now I traded your Kalen

99
00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,840
Speaker 1: Waddel for for like a first last year because I

100
00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,919
Speaker 1: knew that I just needed to start flipping some assets

101
00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, which I unbelieve on it. Like you guys

102
00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,920
Speaker 1: want to talk about like I'm not an analyst who

103
00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,800
Speaker 1: like hides from moves or like hides from the way

104
00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,040
Speaker 1: that I'm approaching things and stuff. I've always been a

105
00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle guy. It's just that you guys know that

106
00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,039
Speaker 1: when you're in a dynasty league and you're in a

107
00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,720
Speaker 1: clear like I need to just get some assets to hopefully,

108
00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, like look better the next season and such like,

109
00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,640
Speaker 1: I knew what I was doing year one in terms

110
00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,040
Speaker 1: of the productive struggle, so I just flipped Jayleen Waddle

111
00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,520
Speaker 1: and I wanted some some assets. And with this being

112
00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,600
Speaker 1: a four quarterback league, if you will, I knew that

113
00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,400
Speaker 1: some of those running backs and wide receivers would fall

114
00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more or I would just get a quarterback.

115
00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,960
Speaker 1: But you ended up winning, So I got a bad pickup.

116
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but two things happen there when you traded me

117
00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,680
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle. Jalen Wattle's arrow was pointing down right like

118
00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,040
Speaker 2: on Miami hadn't been as good, And because you need

119
00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,200
Speaker 2: to start five wide receivers in this particular league, I

120
00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,279
Speaker 2: was like, listen, if I'm a top two or three team,

121
00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,119
Speaker 2: at least this is you have to push your chips

122
00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,960
Speaker 2: in at some point, and nobody's giving me anything better

123
00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,400
Speaker 2: than Jalen Wattle. At that point, I didn't think it

124
00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,360
Speaker 2: was such a bad deal for you, because remember, yea,

125
00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,839
Speaker 2: even if I win JJ, it's still pick one ten.

126
00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,279
Speaker 2: It's not one twelve in a ten person league, right.

127
00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,960
Speaker 1: It's one ten. And then hopefully the quarterback class wasn't

128
00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,839
Speaker 1: as futrid as it ended up being and just in

129
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,360
Speaker 1: terms of like because there's a lot you know, it

130
00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,680
Speaker 1: wasn't like we did this in like February or something

131
00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,800
Speaker 1: like that. The problem, the problem for me is that

132
00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,320
Speaker 1: Waddle ends up hitting, in my opinion, hitting the right

133
00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like a ninety in terms of

134
00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,880
Speaker 1: like what happened this offseason. It probably like a ninetieth

135
00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,800
Speaker 1: percent tile typeollcome, you know, just like a better environment.

136
00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,400
Speaker 1: Every I'm doing stuff for my draft guide right now,

137
00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,880
Speaker 1: and every middle round trend middle round being anyone, any

138
00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,840
Speaker 1: wide receiver after wide receiver eighteen is how I generally

139
00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,799
Speaker 1: define that he hits like every trend like I Jalen

140
00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,320
Speaker 1: Waddle to me is a very very interesting slash potentially

141
00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,680
Speaker 1: like big pick this year, right, And so that coming

142
00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,720
Speaker 1: together is what makes me, you know, feel the way

143
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,360
Speaker 1: that I do right now.

144
00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,440
Speaker 2: And that's like one of the ways that I'll play

145
00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,560
Speaker 2: dynasty too. Like we haven't even seen the result of

146
00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,000
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle, but Jalen Waddle for some reason, go some

147
00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,720
Speaker 2: like wide receiver twenty seven to wide receiver nineteen. I'm

148
00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,039
Speaker 2: going making those numbers up. But he has like a

149
00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,080
Speaker 2: ten spot boost and that's what out so and I

150
00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,520
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be part of our larger conversation today.

151
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,400
Speaker 2: Is like sometimes it's like not about what they're going

152
00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,200
Speaker 2: to produce on the field, some of these guys, it's

153
00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,880
Speaker 2: about what's their value can you turn them into? And

154
00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,080
Speaker 2: you're right, Jalen Wattle is in a better situation. Because

155
00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,640
Speaker 2: it's funny, like I see a lot of fantasy output

156
00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,040
Speaker 2: on like social media saying how no one's gonna draft

157
00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,240
Speaker 2: von A Chan because he's in a bad situation. That's

158
00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,960
Speaker 2: like one of the best running backs in the league

159
00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,720
Speaker 2: right now. So yeah, those situations really do help boost

160
00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,320
Speaker 2: a player's value. I don't even think the trade is

161
00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,800
Speaker 2: that bad. It ended up being in net net now

162
00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,040
Speaker 2: that we know all the results. You get Eli Stowers

163
00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,440
Speaker 2: in a two tight end league, right, so you ended

164
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 2: up drafting at the one. Yeah. Yeah, I looked at

165
00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,600
Speaker 2: it before. I figured we were gonna figure, we're gonna

166
00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,200
Speaker 2: bring this up for some therapy, and you know, and

167
00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 2: I get Waddle, who's what twenty seven going on twenty eight,

168
00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,640
Speaker 2: So it's not terrible in a startup with a two

169
00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,120
Speaker 2: tight end startup, I think that those guys would probably

170
00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,000
Speaker 2: go in a similar place. And I know startup price

171
00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 2: is different than trade price, but it's not. I don't

172
00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,440
Speaker 2: think it's going to be as bad.

173
00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've had I've had worse trades, that's

174
00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,720
Speaker 1: for sure. You know it's just the worst one.

175
00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,000
Speaker 2: Give me the worst one you've ever had.

176
00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I think the worst one. Fortunately I'm

177
00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,080
Speaker 1: no longer part. Like my team was really good, but

178
00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,760
Speaker 1: it was just like becoming overwhelming to be part of

179
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,559
Speaker 1: the league. This was when am and Ross Saint Brown

180
00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,400
Speaker 1: came out, and I remember I knew that there was

181
00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,200
Speaker 1: a chance I would get him in the late second,

182
00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, because that's where he was going in a

183
00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,080
Speaker 1: lot of the rookie drafts that year. But before my

184
00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,280
Speaker 1: pick even came up, I I was in win now

185
00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,080
Speaker 1: mode and it was like, I don't know about you,

186
00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 1: but do you ever like when you're when you're doing

187
00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,719
Speaker 1: trades sometimes, do you ever have just like this? I

188
00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,760
Speaker 1: hopefully I can describe this. Well, this like one day

189
00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,520
Speaker 1: window where you just happen to be like like specifically

190
00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120
Speaker 1: high on that player or in that on that situation,

191
00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,840
Speaker 1: and then literally like a day or two later, you're like,

192
00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't know why I was so high

193
00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,920
Speaker 1: in that moment, you know, Like, dude.

194
00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,760
Speaker 2: It happens to me when I get off podcasts with

195
00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,840
Speaker 2: smart guys like yourself. Like I was on a podcast

196
00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,080
Speaker 2: with Thorneistrom and he talked me into Luke McCaffrey and

197
00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,880
Speaker 2: then I traded like a second round pick to get before. Yeah,

198
00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,800
Speaker 2: so it happens all the I'm influenced just like anybody else's, right.

199
00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,560
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, and so I it was. It was like

200
00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,280
Speaker 1: it was the beginning of the second round. I knew

201
00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,720
Speaker 1: that there was a chance that am and Rod would

202
00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,680
Speaker 1: be there, maybe even like mid second. I was only

203
00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,040
Speaker 1: like three or four picks away, and I just ended

204
00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,640
Speaker 1: up trading my late second for the the Corpse of

205
00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:23,400
Speaker 1: Julio Jones.

206
00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,560
Speaker 2: Oh, and that was the pick.

207
00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,320
Speaker 1: It ended up being the amen Ro pick.

208
00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

209
00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,760
Speaker 1: And there's also I mean, I I in a in

210
00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,079
Speaker 1: a league that I'm still in. Uh that this Dino

211
00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,480
Speaker 1: Game Theory league. Uh that that Jack's Falcone if you will, well, uh,

212
00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,840
Speaker 1: he's run. I traded. It's a you know, super flex league.

213
00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,040
Speaker 1: My team is actually really good, but I ended up

214
00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,680
Speaker 1: trading a couple of years ago Dak in a super

215
00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,480
Speaker 1: flex league, which I love. I'm I'm I've been a

216
00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 1: dak backers. That was like a kind of a play

217
00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,079
Speaker 1: on on my portfolio a little bit, but I ended

218
00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,320
Speaker 1: up flipping him for Iuk and Picks and you know, yeah,

219
00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,080
Speaker 1: is just yeah, it was also but that was also

220
00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,440
Speaker 1: a moment where I'm like, there's a three day period

221
00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,240
Speaker 1: where I was high on Ayuk as a player and

222
00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,600
Speaker 1: as a situation without like fully looking into my research

223
00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,240
Speaker 1: and knowing regression was going to come to some degree.

224
00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,880
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this. Of course, you know, this is

225
00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,040
Speaker 1: this is that was a trade with Justin Boone. So

226
00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,840
Speaker 1: shout out Justin Boone for completely fleecing me in that.

227
00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like, what what's your what's your

228
00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,280
Speaker 1: worst that you can remember?

229
00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,280
Speaker 2: Oh this it's an easy one. I can tell you

230
00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 2: a second. But don't you like wake up in the

231
00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 2: middle of the night sometimes like just randomly and listen.

232
00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,680
Speaker 2: If these are the problems we're waking up thinking about,

233
00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,920
Speaker 2: then things are going well, right. But I I like,

234
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,280
Speaker 2: it really gets me when I do something like so

235
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,520
Speaker 2: stupid too, like that, you know, like in hindsight, because

236
00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,480
Speaker 2: the process is fine. Of course, by the way, I

237
00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,480
Speaker 2: would say, Brandon Nyuk still in a better spot than

238
00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,800
Speaker 2: my Luke McCaffrey, who I trade right, I The worst

239
00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,040
Speaker 2: one I ever did was after Juju Smith Schusters like

240
00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,800
Speaker 2: that rookie and I was it was his second year

241
00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,160
Speaker 2: where he broke out. Yeah, he was wide receiver one

242
00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,960
Speaker 2: in dynasty rankings. I traded the farm for him, and

243
00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,640
Speaker 2: those picks that I ended up trading away were like

244
00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,440
Speaker 2: bar glee. It was like yeah it was. It was

245
00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,839
Speaker 2: all the wrong stuff and that one it forced me

246
00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,920
Speaker 2: out of a dynasty league. I had no like return

247
00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,600
Speaker 2: from it, and I was like, you know what, I'll

248
00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,640
Speaker 2: pay for the next guy to come in, Like, I

249
00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,800
Speaker 2: don't want to rebuild this team, which, by the way,

250
00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,160
Speaker 2: you know people leaving dynasty leagues, which is a epidemic.

251
00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,520
Speaker 2: I think there is a right way to do it

252
00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,920
Speaker 2: as well. You in a lot of leagues, are you

253
00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:21,679
Speaker 2: do you get out of them?

254
00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,640
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've fortunately the last couple of years,

255
00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,400
Speaker 1: started to like some of them just have collapsed, and

256
00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,760
Speaker 1: some of them, I'm just like, you know what, this

257
00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,000
Speaker 1: is not nearly as active. I try to pick and

258
00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,840
Speaker 1: choose like the more active ones to be part of.

259
00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like to me, if you're gonna leave.

260
00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,240
Speaker 1: I try. I'm like, yo, I'll pay the next like

261
00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,800
Speaker 1: three years ago, you know, like you paid get out.

262
00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to be

263
00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,680
Speaker 1: an inconvenience to anyone because this is not the way

264
00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,960
Speaker 1: that you know, I roll. But yeah, I mean, like

265
00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,120
Speaker 1: I think that that there is a way to not

266
00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,760
Speaker 1: be a you know, a jerk as you as you exit.

267
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you see it in the chanel time,

268
00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,160
Speaker 2: Well my busy and kids like you just say you

269
00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,680
Speaker 2: don't want to be in the league anymore because I

270
00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,959
Speaker 2: see those guys end up in like three more startups

271
00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:00,880
Speaker 2: like the next year.

272
00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, our our, our league. It was.

273
00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,480
Speaker 1: I was very happy that I got the one O

274
00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,000
Speaker 1: two in that league though, because we were having this

275
00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,160
Speaker 1: discussion where in ogue four quarterback, Yeah, in in the

276
00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,520
Speaker 1: in the in the crazy four quarterback league. I was

277
00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: happy to have the one O two because I knew

278
00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,720
Speaker 1: that worst case I was gonna get Mendoza, but I

279
00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,640
Speaker 1: thought Mendoza was going to go one on one and

280
00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,720
Speaker 1: he did, so I ended up getting Jeremiah Love at

281
00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,240
Speaker 1: the one oh two.

282
00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,120
Speaker 2: In that league, this format where you could start four quarterbacks,

283
00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,680
Speaker 2: which again nobody plays, and I don't recommend it to anybody.

284
00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,480
Speaker 2: It's a horrible format, but we're playing.

285
00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's honestly more disgusting than anything that I've done.

286
00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like not fun. It's only fun a

287
00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,040
Speaker 2: little bit for me right now because I have breakdown

288
00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,959
Speaker 2: as my qub before, right because I want But it's

289
00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,160
Speaker 2: not going to be fun in like a year and

290
00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,480
Speaker 2: a half from now. But the uh yeah, this is

291
00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,000
Speaker 2: the only format where Jeremiah loved. The rookie running back

292
00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,520
Speaker 2: in Arizona goes second. Yeah, you get them at two

293
00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,600
Speaker 2: because I I've been in thirty eight drafts and it's

294
00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,199
Speaker 2: never happened and anything.

295
00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, So before we get into stuff,

296
00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,320
Speaker 1: let's let's let's introduce you in your in your background

297
00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,200
Speaker 1: a little bit so folks know what you're all about,

298
00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,520
Speaker 1: because this is the first time that you're you're hopping

299
00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:00,360
Speaker 1: on PERSPECTI.

300
00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,360
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, you know, I'm Alan Saslowski. I work over

301
00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,960
Speaker 2: at rohde Wire and similar to you, man, I was

302
00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,120
Speaker 2: just like a nut about fantasy. When I was working

303
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,520
Speaker 2: a regular desk job. I used to, you know, pretend

304
00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,720
Speaker 2: I was working and just do all my fantasy drafts

305
00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,720
Speaker 2: right like I used to do the research. I would

306
00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 2: do mock draft Central back in the day. And then

307
00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, I saw like an opening for something that

308
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,959
Speaker 2: like I think it was where Jeff Ratcliffe used to work.

309
00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,760
Speaker 2: Was it PFF back in the day. Yeah, And he

310
00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,800
Speaker 2: posted it and I was like, it's my friend told

311
00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,240
Speaker 2: me he's like, you should go for that job. I

312
00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,920
Speaker 2: was like, what the hell am I guy going to

313
00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,360
Speaker 2: do at a job? You know, fantasy, that's not a

314
00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,079
Speaker 2: real job. So I asked a colleague of the new

315
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,080
Speaker 2: Jeff if he could put in a word for me

316
00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,520
Speaker 2: or something like that, and he goes, no, he goes,

317
00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,520
Speaker 2: once you come work for me over at Roster Watch.

318
00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,040
Speaker 2: That was Byron Lambert. So I used to be a

319
00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,320
Speaker 2: caller to Byron show and that's how we knew me.

320
00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,200
Speaker 2: And then he goes, come over. So I just started

321
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,920
Speaker 2: doing the article grind, the video grind, and then I

322
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,320
Speaker 2: do a lot of the video editing and and all

323
00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,640
Speaker 2: the podcast editing and stuff, and sure enough I was

324
00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,880
Speaker 2: able to pick up with road a wire man and

325
00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,360
Speaker 2: as again as someone interacted with their serious exem show.

326
00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,120
Speaker 2: And I've been there for about five years now doing

327
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 2: all the video stuff, hosting a serious XM show for them,

328
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,040
Speaker 2: getting some good opportunities. But yeah, and it's like I'm

329
00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,120
Speaker 2: like six years into this thing and I'm I'm like,

330
00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,240
Speaker 2: you man, you own a business doing this thing. I

331
00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,760
Speaker 2: still like I'm waiting for someone to take it all

332
00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,480
Speaker 2: away and go back to like, you know, horrible desk jobs.

333
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280
Speaker 2: Like I never feel like it's gonna last, you know, yeah.

334
00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 1: No, I I feel you. I feel you. It's a

335
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a you know, very lucky to be

336
00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,080
Speaker 1: able to do this, you know, in day out and

337
00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,920
Speaker 1: in my case and Jim, as I say in Jim

338
00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,640
Speaker 1: shorts every.

339
00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 2: Day, oh my god. So when people ask you like it,

340
00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, a gathering with kids or whatever, dinner part,

341
00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,120
Speaker 2: like when they say like what do you do for

342
00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,840
Speaker 2: a living? Like do you always have trouble explaining it?

343
00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,240
Speaker 2: Or like do you curtail it? Because when you say

344
00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,160
Speaker 2: fantasy football, they're like you know, what.

345
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,880
Speaker 1: Do you mean? Yeah? Yeah, And then I'm like yeah,

346
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I own a fantasy football company right

347
00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,400
Speaker 1: right now. I usually tell people that I'm a podcaster first,

348
00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,560
Speaker 1: and so I say that because that's more that's become

349
00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,040
Speaker 1: more generally accepted and then that way they asked the

350
00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,960
Speaker 1: question of like what it's about, and then I can

351
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,080
Speaker 1: exporm it in the way yeah and so like yeah,

352
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,000
Speaker 1: exactly depending on the demographic, like depending on the person

353
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking to, and just if I if I broadly

354
00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,400
Speaker 1: know what they might be into or not, then I

355
00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,440
Speaker 1: can kind of curtail my answer based on if they say,

356
00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,160
Speaker 1: what's it about? You know? Then I can get into

357
00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,560
Speaker 1: a lot of detail if I know this is a

358
00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,880
Speaker 1: sports person or you know, not in a lot of

359
00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,240
Speaker 1: detail if not. But yeah, it's always been a pretty weird.

360
00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,560
Speaker 1: I've gotten more and more comfortable though as I gotten older,

361
00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,040
Speaker 1: because I think as you get older, you just don't

362
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:33,600
Speaker 1: care anymore.

363
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,080
Speaker 2: You don't care. And plus you've made a real business

364
00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,440
Speaker 2: out of it. And it's funny. I have a funny

365
00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,720
Speaker 2: anecdotal story about you, JJ, because you know, when I

366
00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,200
Speaker 2: was just again, I listened. I still listen to every

367
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,720
Speaker 2: single podcast at I consume so much content. I like

368
00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,520
Speaker 2: to know what other people are thinking too. I know

369
00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,760
Speaker 2: that a lot of fantasy football content creators, I think

370
00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,960
Speaker 2: you've fallen this is that you try to avoid it

371
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,200
Speaker 2: because you don't want to. Yeah, because the and I

372
00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,640
Speaker 2: understand it because you don't want it to like go

373
00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,160
Speaker 2: into your process. I'm the opposite. I like the or

374
00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,640
Speaker 2: what everyone else says and kind of just and by

375
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,120
Speaker 2: the way, this is not a process I recommend, but

376
00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,960
Speaker 2: I still enjoy it. I really still enjoy and listening

377
00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,000
Speaker 2: to you, listening you just you know, to Scott Connor

378
00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,640
Speaker 2: and Jack's felle Coe and all those guys, and I

379
00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,360
Speaker 2: just I put all together. But when my my wife

380
00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,120
Speaker 2: actually discovered your podcast before I did, and when she

381
00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,040
Speaker 2: and she plays a lot of fantasy football, she's you know,

382
00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,640
Speaker 2: she's a casual she but she plays every year, and

383
00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,440
Speaker 2: she used to always tell me about you. So I

384
00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know, and I don't want her to

385
00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,040
Speaker 2: be telling me who's good. So I used to listen

386
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,960
Speaker 2: nice to hate listen to you JJ because I was like,

387
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,080
Speaker 2: this is her thing, you know, and so I love it.

388
00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

389
00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,520
Speaker 2: You are you are her favorite fantasy football podcasters. So

390
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,400
Speaker 2: she was more excited than anyone that I was coming

391
00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,560
Speaker 2: to hang with you for a little bit.

392
00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,240
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I should have had her as a guest.

393
00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,120
Speaker 2: I probably more interesting to tell you that.

394
00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so is that is that how you sort of

395
00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,280
Speaker 1: like frame yourself as an analyst. Is that like you're, uh,

396
00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of aggregating and sifting through and kind of

397
00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,720
Speaker 1: approaching things that way totally.

398
00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,960
Speaker 2: Man, I was a called there's people you know, everyone

399
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,320
Speaker 2: has needs, thinks they need to have their secret sauce.

400
00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,080
Speaker 2: Now you have your model, your zapp stuff like you

401
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,960
Speaker 2: do that well. Other people watch film really well, like

402
00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it better than them. I'm

403
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,959
Speaker 2: going to listen to what they say. But also I

404
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,760
Speaker 2: watch so much NFL football and I play a ton

405
00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,240
Speaker 2: of fantasy leagues. I play in the high steak stuff.

406
00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,040
Speaker 2: I play in, you know, like in the sleeper stuff

407
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,200
Speaker 2: with industry guys, and I'm able to kind of see

408
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,119
Speaker 2: the angles there. I think that's kind of like my superpower.

409
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,920
Speaker 2: Like for example, I know, like everyone loves Casey Conceptsi

410
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,920
Speaker 2: on the Browns. He's high in your model, isn't he

411
00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:33,159
Speaker 2: He was.

412
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,840
Speaker 1: He was at least like like not far off from Lemon,

413
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, he was the wider. He was like comfortably

414
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,480
Speaker 1: the wide receiver.

415
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,760
Speaker 2: For you, right, everyone likes him. He's like the last

416
00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,080
Speaker 2: pick in this rookie draft before it just goes off

417
00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,320
Speaker 2: the rails. For a lot of people, So I don't

418
00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,720
Speaker 2: need to watch all that you know, and I'm just

419
00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,320
Speaker 2: when I'm consuming all of you know, the best guys

420
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,320
Speaker 2: that do it. But I know if I draft him,

421
00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to be able to do something with Casey

422
00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,960
Speaker 2: conceptsion especially he has like his first game is like

423
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,520
Speaker 2: six for eighty or something like that. So that's basically

424
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,960
Speaker 2: been my process is, like you said, is bring it

425
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,359
Speaker 2: all together, trust my observations. Same way like when you

426
00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 2: go to a doctor, you don't do your own you

427
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,080
Speaker 2: don't have come your own model for a doctor, right.

428
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,720
Speaker 2: You listen to all the research.

429
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 1: You can get all the things, that's what you think,

430
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,640
Speaker 1: but you.

431
00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,920
Speaker 2: Have your late round medical advice.

432
00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, late late round, uh, late round mole checking, yeah.

433
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. Do you do proctology as well? Yeah,

434
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 2: let's let's not go there, all right, all right, uh,

435
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,720
Speaker 2: but the same thing like with you know, with food

436
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 2: or anything else, you listen to what the people you trust,

437
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,840
Speaker 2: and then you form opinions on your own observations and

438
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,480
Speaker 2: basically how you know this game goes.

439
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that's that's interesting. It kind

440
00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,920
Speaker 1: of leads me to this next question of like what

441
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 1: you think dynasty managers do wrong because I've sort of

442
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,400
Speaker 1: the way that I've frame what you're saying here really

443
00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,879
Speaker 1: resonates with me, because I've always tried to frame to

444
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,920
Speaker 1: people that dynasty has sort of two big pillars, one

445
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,320
Speaker 1: pillar being production obviously because you need to score fantasy points,

446
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 1: you need to attempt to win. But the other pillars

447
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,320
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, the the Jalen Waddel thing, and

448
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 1: that is you know, you just want the market value

449
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,679
Speaker 1: to change. And is that is that something that you

450
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 1: think dynasty managers still get wrong. I mean, that's something

451
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 1: that you obviously have focused on a lot, just given

452
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,640
Speaker 1: all the consumption that you're doing.

453
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that you're gonna hate this answer

454
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 2: because you are, like you are very rigid to your process.

455
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 2: You trust it, and there's yeah. I always say, like

456
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,160
Speaker 2: I kind of make the joke. It's like a game

457
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,679
Speaker 2: of blackjack, right, Like you would never if the dealer's

458
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 2: showing a for those who play blackjack, the dealer's showing

459
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 2: a six and you have to say a five of fifteen, right,

460
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 2: you would never hit on that, right. But if I

461
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 2: hit on that and follow me here and I get

462
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,639
Speaker 2: twenty one right, that was the wrong process, but I

463
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 2: got the right result. Sure, right, So I think that

464
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 2: and again that's an extreme example, but I don't. I

465
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: think that what dynasty managers do incorrectly is they're too

466
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 2: rigid to their process rather than some time measuring result. Now,

467
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 2: there's always going to be outliers, right, like poopin Nakua.

468
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm in Ross Saint Brown. I think he is kind

469
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 2: of an outlier in a little bit, right, Like he

470
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 2: didn't go in any first rounds of rookie drafts, right

471
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 2: he Now he's one of the top five dynasty assets.

472
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 2: So being too rigid to the process, which again goes

473
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 2: against like your religion over here.

474
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 1: So no, I mean, look, but I think I like

475
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: you can you're not offending me at all because I agree,

476
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: Like I I think that like as I'm talking to

477
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 1: people and as I'm producing this content, it's very much

478
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: a hey, this is the way that I've approached things generally,

479
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 1: and it's led to this. But you know, if you're

480
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 1: part of the discord or if you're you know, like

481
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: I'm giving you know, I'm talking to people all the

482
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 1: time about like I don't want to say, like my

483
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: truer thoughts, because that's not really the case. Like I'm

484
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: just letting them know, like, hey, this is what I

485
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: just did in the Dynasty League, let's say, right, And

486
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: they might say, oh, that goes against your rankings. I'm like, well,

487
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: there's context. It's necessary, right, Like there's there are certain

488
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: things that you know, whether it is just portfolio management, sure,

489
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: but also there are elements to your team that that

490
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 1: you might do something that you wouldn't otherwise do in

491
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: another team. I agree, Like I think that the Dynasty

492
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: community has gotten to a point where they're more interested

493
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: in having a flashy team that has a lot of

494
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 1: value as opposed to having an actual I was guilty

495
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: of that for a long time, and I find it

496
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: finally clicked with me a few years ago and things

497
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: have been like rolling since then. Right. But it's I'm

498
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: really good at I mean, I've I've co managed teams

499
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: with people and I still do. And I always say

500
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm very good at acquiring value, right, because I think

501
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: I have an edge with rookie drafts. I think that

502
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: can make right moves more often than not. I'm good

503
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,960
Speaker 1: at acquiring that value. It's really when you when you

504
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: push your chips in that's the most difficult part for

505
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: me in dynasty.

506
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually what you just said, I actually have

507
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: a word for it. I've diagnosed it's called SRS sexy

508
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 2: roster syndrome. Yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so you know,

509
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: I mean we've you've heard that before. But uh yeah.

510
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: People love putting the screenshots of their all young team

511
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 2: on social media. And by the way, I almost like

512
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: sometimes then you get the comment says, what is this

513
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: a six man league? Right? That usually follows as well.

514
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 2: But I think where what some people do wrong is

515
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: they don't look at where the redraft rankings and the

516
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: dynasty rankings part because, as you know, dynasty rankings are

517
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: very age centric, not skill centric. And you know, like

518
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: it or not, a lot of these dynasty leagues probably

519
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: have like a three or four year lifespan. Right, It's

520
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: like an NFL career. They don't last as long as

521
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: you think you do. Some of them are going to

522
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: last ten or fifteen years. Some are going to fold

523
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: after two years. So I think there is an edge.

524
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 2: And what a lot of dynasty managers make a mistake.

525
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: I think you alluded to a little bit here is

526
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: undervaluing veterans that produce to accumulate value, and I do

527
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 2: the same thing. I do the same thing. But I'm okay,

528
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: you know, giving a pick for a DeVante for a

529
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: thirty two year old high producer Mike Evans some one

530
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 2: of these guys, So and look at it that I

531
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: did in our league?

532
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, for you? Is it more what I've found? Because

533
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 1: I know that the common thought is like mid season trading,

534
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: you as the person getting the veteran hypothetically be overpaying

535
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: right for whatever. You know, That's like the general thought

536
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: in the Dynasty world, right, is that you know, if

537
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: you wait whenever trade deadlines are coming up or whatever

538
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: the case may be, you're going to overpay for those guys.

539
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: My more, just like anecdotal experience has not necessarily been

540
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: that when you're dealing with a Dynasty manager who at

541
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 1: least has been around the block, right, that is that

542
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: is more willing to do deals and understands what they

543
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: need to do if they're in the opposite situation that

544
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 1: you are, similar to where we were last year, right,

545
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: Like you coming to me and saying like, hey, you

546
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 1: know or you know Jalen Waddle whatever, and then I'm like,

547
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, I like him but I guess, you know,

548
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 1: I need to kind of do something here to make

549
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: a move. Like I'm in a lot of leagues with

550
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: Mike Leoni, and Leoni is the king, and I give

551
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: him so much credit. He's a great dynasty player, but

552
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: he's the king of just getting a deal done even

553
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: if he has a small loss. But he's acquiring, you know,

554
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: if he's rebuilding, he's acquiring picks, and he's able to

555
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: give up on some of these and he understands that

556
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: he might lose the deal, but in the long run,

557
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: it's still a better, more beneficial move for him to

558
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: make in that moment for his individual team. It's similar

559
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: in like best Ball, when you get a falling quarterback value,

560
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: but that quarterback just doesn't fit a stack whatsoever on

561
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: your team. You can't just force the issue because that's

562
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: not going to be good for your team. You're all

563
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: you're doing is is trying to gobble up a certain

564
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: value when that's really not necessary to do. At quarterbacks.

565
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: My question to you is is that you know, as

566
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: you're you know, going to win now and trying to build,

567
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, a beastly roster to get that w for

568
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: that year, have you found that that statement and that

569
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: general like idea of guys are way more expensive in season.

570
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: Because the reason I say that is like, if you're

571
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: going after the veterans, as you say, are you doing

572
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: that more in season than out of season? Because obviously

573
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: if you're doing it out of season, there's a lot

574
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: more variance to what can happen to your roster. You know,

575
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: weeks one through eight, you might not even be competitive

576
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: by the time, you know, the the that you would

577
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: be hypothetically making that move for the veteran.

578
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: See you know all the topics that get my neck

579
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: hair to stand up. Man, this is this is good

580
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: stuff right here. Uh yeah. I mean it's always cheaper

581
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: to buy the thirty one year old the thirty two

582
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: year old wide receiver in March than it is in

583
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: the in you know, November, right, like facts so everybody,

584
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: But it's not that much more expensive. Sure, if you're

585
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: trying to buy the twenty five year old that's off

586
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: the big season, I mean, how is Chris Alaby and

587
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: now was he twenty six something like that, that that's

588
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: going to be super expensive, right. But you know, Mike Evan,

589
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: I keep going back to him, He's been always like

590
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: the best example because he's always you know, Derek Henry

591
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: is another example, right, because he's an outlier, is defying

592
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: uh what the running back age curb. So yeah, I mean,

593
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: those guys are always going to be more expensive, but

594
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: they're still call you know, if you go after those

595
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: guys for the championship run, people are also remember the

596
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: other side, the selling side, is going to feel panicked

597
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: to sell those guys too, So there's they're not that

598
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: if you if you play it right in the right situation,

599
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, nobody's good, you're gonna get a better deal

600
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: on those guys essentially when they matter most. If I

601
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: buy Dereck Henry in March, there's a lot of risk

602
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: leading up to that, the NFL Draft injury. But if

603
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 2: I buy him in week twelve, you know, like and

604
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: he's healthy, here we go right, Like it's I'm skipping

605
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: all the risk part.

606
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: Right, and like I feel like sure, Like let's say

607
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: that there's an apples apples comparison where like in March,

608
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: you're getting Derrick Henry for a second and or you know,

609
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: two seconds or whatever, yeah, whatever the case may be,

610
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: and then you have to pay a first when when

611
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: in season happens, right Like, let's say that's the case.

612
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, is that you're if you're just

613
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: comparing those two deals, you're missing all of the information

614
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: that you would that you're gathering right for making the

615
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: deal later. You now know, oh, I'm competitive, my team

616
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: is healthy. I can get a true boost here where

617
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: in March. You have no idea if any of that

618
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 1: stuff has happened.

619
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: And you know that Derick Henry is having the career again,

620
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: we're using him as the example. It could be Breece Hall, right,

621
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: if he's still young too, with a new contract. I'm

622
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: trying to think of like an older any Well, we'll

623
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: use Henry for the for the sake of argument, but

624
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: you you already have skipped all the risk and you

625
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: know that he's locked in and they're on a run.

626
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: I'm just looking down like the list right here all

627
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: the I mean David Montgomery, David. Let's say he's having

628
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: one of those seasons. Remember the Jamal Williams season where

629
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: he just led the league in touchdowns. Let's say he's

630
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: having one of those. People are gonna look at twenty

631
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: nine year old. They're gonna be like, I don't want

632
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: thirty year old David Montgomery on my roster next year,

633
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: and right now, the thought of buying someone like that

634
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: for a pick, first round pick seems ridiculous. But if

635
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: he's a top six, top five r B just based

636
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: on touchdowns alone, and also you know now that in

637
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: this stretch run does a very good chance that pick's

638
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: gonna be one ten, one to eleven, exactly one twelve,

639
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: Whereas now if things go wrong, that could be like

640
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: one oh three, and then that's that's a horrible trade.

641
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just don't see the benefit generally.

642
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, I do think that there are some cases

643
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: where you almost have to do it because you're league

644
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: is just stubborn, and maybe you have some inexperienced managers

645
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: where they're just like, you know, I'm not going to

646
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: get rid of this guy no matter what, you know,

647
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. But I think that if

648
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: you're in a normal dynasty league, it just it seems

649
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: like nine times out of ten, it's just better to

650
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: make sure you have all that information. Maybe it's a

651
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: more conservative approach, but I also think that it's the

652
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: smarter approach because the delta between the two deals that

653
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: you would be getting in March versus week twelve just

654
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: doesn't seem significant enough in the end, you know, because

655
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: there's so much variance to rookie drafts anyway.

656
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: And it's also going to depend who has the picks

657
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: a lot of times by week eleven, week twelve, just

658
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: using like that stretch run. Maybe you know the other

659
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: managers that are in competition with you have already burned

660
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: their first round pick. Or that's why when you get

661
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: like when you're doing a deal and then someone's like, oh,

662
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: just give me or you know, I always say just

663
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: throw me a third back or something like that, or

664
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: even a fourth just something to sweeten the deal, just

665
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: in case in a stretch run where I'm competitive with

666
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: someone for a player, you know, I have that little extra,

667
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: just like cherry on top. So yeah, you know when

668
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: people I hear it a lot, third rounders don't matter.

669
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: They never I'm not using my third round or to

670
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: draft you know, Elijah Surat or you know whoever. You know,

671
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm using that to sweeten a deal so I can

672
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: get you know, a DeAndre Swift when he's on a

673
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: heater in week nine.

674
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: As you're doing a startup and I've gotten a lot

675
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: of questions about like startup approach and such, and like,

676
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, I have my take for sure, but I'm curious,

677
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: like last year, for instance, in our league, did did

678
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: you go in saying I want a win now team

679
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: or was it more reactive to how others were drafting.

680
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's win now, no matter what. Like I said,

681
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm always under the assumption that the league is probably

682
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: not going to be around in five years. End of

683
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: it is. Hopefully I've given my chance to win it

684
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: once and if I'm lucky, maybe twice. I just I

685
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: love the idea, and I've done a ton of videos

686
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: and articles about productive struggle. It's such a cool concept, right,

687
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: But that's taking in the kumbaya realistic world that like

688
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: this dynasty league's going to be around forever, and it's

689
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: fun to do different things, especially different price points. But

690
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: if I was like in a thousand dollars entry league,

691
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: and I know every year a five hundred dollars league,

692
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: and I know every year I have to plunk down

693
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: that money, I don't want to keep like contributing. So

694
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: it's win now, no matter what. Now. Again, that doesn't

695
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: mean just be reckless and draft it will completely like

696
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: a redraft team, I want to give myself a few

697
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: outs and draft some of the sexy players that people like,

698
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: you know, like rookies like Cornel Tate or something like that,

699
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: just so I can you know, even someone like Ty

700
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: Simpson who seems like a dead pick, I'll get that

701
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: guy on a win now team, because it's almost like

702
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: having a quasi first round pick in your back pocket.

703
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: And the Rams did that in the real NFL.

704
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: I know, it's great, right Listen, I've learned my question them. Yeah,

705
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: I've learned not to question them whatsoever. But yeah, no,

706
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: so my theories. I like, even in our draft, you

707
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: went quarterback, quarterback, right, you hammered home. There's nothing worse

708
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: than a super flex dynasty league than having to deal

709
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: with the quarterback position. It's a nightmare.

710
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, at the very least. You know, whenever

711
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: I do my super flex rankings, which in my opinion

712
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: is the hardest type of rankings to do for a

713
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: customer because every league just so, especially in redraft, I

714
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: mean season long superflex. I've talked about this on shows

715
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: I think even recently, But like superflex redraft leagues, you're

716
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna get somewhere where ten quarterbacks are off the board

717
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: after the first round and a half and you're gonna

718
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: get somewhere only three or off the board. You know,

719
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: it's so so you have to be very reactive from

720
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: that perspective. But I think it's different in Dynasty because

721
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: there is this commod it's a commodity. It's this like,

722
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're playing the market value of these players.

723
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: And if the market says something like I know that,

724
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: people will sit there and they'll they'll crap on keep

725
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: trade cut all day long and they're like, oh, these values,

726
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: don't guys. If the market is using that website, I

727
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: care about what the website is saying.

728
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: It's like the American dollar, right, if the world is

729
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: using the American dollar, we got to use the American dollar.

730
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: You can say it's it's fragile, it inflates, it's all

731
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: this other stuff, but hey, you're right, keep tade cut.

732
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Like again, you may not agree with it, but that's

733
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: the agreed upon consensus exactly. Even on the Serious XM show,

734
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: on the Dynasty out or that, when we were talking,

735
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: I said, consensus rankings. I don't like, you know, I

736
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: don't want to promote the site without them being a sponsor.

737
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: That's your serious exems it. But they know what I'm

738
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: talking about here. When I say consensus Dynasty rankings, that

739
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: is something. Why do you think that's become like the

740
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: consensus Dynasty rankings. That's a whole conversation.

741
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I think it's just because

742
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: it's it's structured and algorithmically different, you know. Then like, yeah,

743
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: because like DLF, you know, I think probably was that

744
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: for a lot of people for a while and that,

745
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: but that was all based off of like startup ADP

746
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: that they they they ran, you know, like a handful

747
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: of startups that that McDowell would do every month. I

748
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: think that the difference here is just the the mechanism

749
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: in which that's been that's been built, you know. But

750
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: but again, like when I do my my dynasty rankings,

751
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: like I have sites like that in mind that I'm

752
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: checking what the value of these players are, and that

753
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: influences my rankings because the value component matters, you know,

754
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: And so if my super flex rankings, you know, if

755
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, sure I'll be lower on some guys

756
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: versus what the market's saying. But if the market's really high.

757
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I got to bump them up a little bit because

758
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: that's just the way that Dynasty has played.

759
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: You said something a minute ago that I've heard you

760
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 2: say about how the market, every every draft is different

761
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: with where the quarterbacks go, and I always I take

762
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: that with it. I always say, oh, JJ had this

763
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 2: great point. I think this is one of the smartest

764
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: points because I intuitively know it, but I wasn't. I

765
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: never heard it articulated. Basically, I've seen drafts this season

766
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: super with a Dynasty and Woudary draft where the whole

767
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: line is read with quarterbacks except for Bjon and Gibbs,

768
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: and then I've seen ones where it's like two or

769
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: three guys go and then like Jayden Daniels is a

770
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: second round pick, Lamar is like a one to two

771
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: turn pick. So, yeah, you're right, it's it's not that,

772
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: it's it's how is the league going to value the quarterbacks?

773
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: If the first five guys are just like, hey, I'm

774
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: taking quarterbacks, I want them locked in, then that's the price,

775
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: you know. So I've heard you say it, and I

776
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: use it, and I give you credit. So don't worry.

777
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I think I think that like the best

778
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: players and drafters are the ones that know how to react, right.

779
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: They they know how to look at the board and

780
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: they know what's about to come as opposed to what's

781
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: already happened. And you have to have a feel for

782
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: that based on just experience for sure, based on knowing

783
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: your league, et cetera, and really based on knowing tiers, right,

784
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: like where that tier really dries up and where you

785
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: know you're not gonna be able to get a player later.

786
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: But in super flex in particular. Look, you can even

787
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: apply this to single quarterback leagues, like in season long, right,

788
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: where you know that Josh Allen can give you x

789
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: amount of vorp. However you want to measure his advantage

790
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: over the rest of the position, right, you know that

791
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: he can give you that. But here's the thing. If

792
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: you draft Josh Allen in the second round of your

793
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: redraft league number one, there's an opportunity cost in doing that, right,

794
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: because you're obviously missing out on some really good running backs,

795
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: especially this year, some running backs. But if you do

796
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: that and then Lamar Jackson goes in round nine, Lamar

797
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Jackson is by far the better value in that situation,

798
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: and you just didn't know, being the first person to

799
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: take a onesie, especially at quarterback, is one of the

800
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: riskiest things you can actually do. Whenever everyone says, oh,

801
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: it's safe, bet, we know Josh Allen's gonna finish here,

802
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, I agree, Josh Allen's a beast

803
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna be a top two quarterback this

804
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: year because he's done that the last like six years.

805
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: But the problem is in your particular draft, from a

806
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: cost standpoint, you run the risk and just a totality

807
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: what the league looks like perspective, you run the risk

808
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: of devaluing that pick when you're the first person to

809
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: make that choice.

810
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: J J. I can't believe you've been doing this like twelve, fourteen,

811
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: fifteen years at this point, ten years and you still

812
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: have the same like vigor in your voice when you

813
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: talk about I love it.

814
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: I love it man. Yes, No, it's what we said

815
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: at the top. It's like, this is our job, and

816
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're not passionate about this stuff number one,

817
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: like if you're not really really enthusiastic about fantasy pob, well,

818
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: someone's gonna take your job. Because this is a competitive space.

819
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to do this and I get it right.

820
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: But my gosh, I love this game. Like it's so

821
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: because it it to me like as I especially as

822
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: I've gotten older, like critical thinking is such a powerful

823
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: important part of like the human existence, right, and like

824
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: we don't get to do it in you know, every

825
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: single thing that we do. And you know, if you're

826
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: if you're a parent, right, like you're you're you know,

827
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: I got a three year old, I got a seven

828
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: year old, and you know, there's some things where they're like,

829
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, I have to critically think about how I'm

830
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or something. It's routine, yeah, right,

831
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that that you go through

832
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: without your life. But like I feel very lucky that

833
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: we have a a job and a subject that we're

834
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: working with where we can get very very deep with

835
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: this stuff if you're willing to do so, right.

836
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I again, it's it's very your passions losing

837
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: out pageous And when I you know, I referee high

838
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 2: school basketball and a lot of times, like the referees

839
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: are out there, they're like frowning and they're arguing and

840
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: they're you know, their standoff is that I get coaches

841
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: always in them they say you're always like smiling. I said, well,

842
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: I'm joining this man.

843
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: You know.

844
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, so that and that's that's the kind

845
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: of energy I get from you. Now back to back

846
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: to what we were talking about, is uh, you know what,

847
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: the Josh Allen pick makes sense. It makes sense when

848
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: you hate everything else on the board, right exactly. So

849
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: you get into the third round and you're like.

850
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a dip.

851
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I really don't want I mean, I

852
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: like DeVante Smith, but you're like, I really don't want

853
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: to take Devonte Smith in the third round. I'll just

854
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: take Josh Allen because it's thirty eight. It's twenty eight points.

855
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: You know, in a game, you know it's safe, ye right, right,

856
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: and versus DeVante Smith, I'm gonna find two rounds later,

857
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get DeVante Adams or whoever. You know.

858
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: The really frustrating part with this is that in a

859
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: in a more casual league where you know there's going

860
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: to be some falling values at running back and wide

861
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: receiver because they're you know, people aren't doing the same research,

862
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera, et cetera. That's actually when you

863
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: probably should go earlier round quarterback and like take that

864
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: shot because because number one, you know, this is what's

865
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: going on in Best Ball right now too, where the

866
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: back end QB ones, the high end QB two's are

867
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: going way earlier than they've gone historically. I mean, it

868
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: started to happen last year in Best Ball, but them

869
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: going earlier means that the higher end quarterbacks actually become

870
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: more valuable, right, because if if you get Josh Allen,

871
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: and you know, the absolute inverse of what I was

872
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: talking about, if you get Josh Allen in round three

873
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden up until brock Purty

874
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: is gone at the end of round five, then you've

875
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: got a massive value in drafting Josh Allen there, right,

876
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: because people are spending almost you know, very close to

877
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: the same kind of draft capital and allocation on brock Purty,

878
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: who is fine, he's not Josh Allen as Josh Allen

879
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: and what you got with Allen, So like it's about

880
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like you want to go into

881
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: a more casual environment and be like, oh, I don't

882
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: need to get quarterback because it's going to be easy

883
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: to pick one off late, which I do think lay

884
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: around quarterback is going to probably be a pretty good

885
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: strategy this year. But like you know, it's just a

886
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: it's so, it's just there's a lot of that like

887
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: context and individualized like thinking about that particular league that

888
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: needs to go on for it to dictate what your

889
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: draft strategy really should be.

890
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just said this, and I'm looking at the

891
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: ADP of the quarterbacks, and the elite quarterbacks are about

892
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: two to three rounds cheaper than they've ever been, right,

893
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes in some cases four. But the floor the

894
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: price of the depth of the quarterbacks, and that's a

895
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 2: function of after the first three or four quarterbacks that

896
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: no one's really seeing a difference between, or maybe even deeper.

897
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: Like someone says, yeah, I do like Dak, I do

898
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: like Justin Herbert. But if I can get the spike

899
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: weeks from a Baker Mayfield and Tyler Shuck, it's fine,

900
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: especially in bestball where you never have to call the shot, right,

901
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: Like that's the worst part about fantasy football. And you

902
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: get a gazillion start sick questions. It's like do I

903
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: start Jordan Love with the great matchup or do I

904
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: start you know, Jackson Dart who's playing a tough defense,

905
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: You're like, I have no idea, like, and then you're

906
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: just kind of guessing, and then you give people all

907
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: these caveats and percentages. But I think that's what happens

908
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: when you don't have to call the shot and you

909
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: just get Sam Darnold's twenty seven point game. You know,

910
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: I think that's the advantage and that's why. And also

911
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 2: remember even though we call them onesie positions tight end

912
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: in quarterback, that in best ball, it essentially is a

913
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: two quarterback league, right, everyone needs minimum tea.

914
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the position dries up right like

915
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: that you need to the panic. The panic in best

916
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: ball is really I think what drives the you know,

917
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: the high end to mid range QB two up in

918
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: price is that in our season long league, who cares

919
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: those guys are going to go undrafted? Like Baker Mayfield

920
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: in a regular home league this year is not going

921
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: to get drafted more than likely, you know, in a

922
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: lot of those leagues. Now you got to react if like,

923
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: cause I'm gonna you know, I'm in a home league,

924
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: a local league here that's fourteen teams, and I know

925
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: that people are going to take back up quarterbacks, so

926
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: I have to at least be a little bit careful

927
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: about getting too out of control with you know, not

928
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback because wave the waiver wires actually actually

929
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: is thin. But in ninety five percent of leagues, like

930
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: those guys won't go. But in best Ball right now,

931
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a completely different beast, which is you know,

932
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: do you have you found like since you're doing the

933
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: radio stuff and you're talking to people and there's it's

934
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: just a much different dynamic than what I'm probably experiencing.

935
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: Have you found that it's been a little bit obnoxious

936
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: about how best Ball has seeped into the way that

937
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: people are looking at season long as well. Has that

938
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: been a thing that you've or has it? Has it

939
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: been pretty separate? No?

940
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: No, you nailed it, man, you nailed it because best

941
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: Ball is by the way, when you're talking about like

942
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: just like traditional leagues, is that Yahoo did a study

943
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: and even in like seasonal leagues, one point nine quarterbacks

944
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: per team on Yahoo leagues. So again, yeah, I use

945
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: Yahoo because that's where a lot of like, let's say,

946
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: people that are even more casual about it, right Yeah,

947
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, and with best ball is seeped in and

948
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: best ball is like the greatest way to prepare for

949
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 2: your season long draft. But what I think was, and

950
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: guys like you were talking about this doing on videos

951
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: and on content, is that it really has two different games,

952
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: right and yea, but I mean the players go in

953
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: a similar order, but the roster construction is a little

954
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: bit different. But yeah, right, man, the way we play

955
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: best ball. See, and I fell into this about four

956
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: years ago because I've always been you know, not by

957
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: the way, when I used to say I played in

958
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 2: fifty best ball leagues, that used to be a lot.

959
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: Now yeah, now I'm like, you know, I barely play.

960
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: It's funny. But you know, the way I was playing basketball,

961
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I was bringing into redraft and because the strategy is

962
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: so different that you have access to the waiver wire

963
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: and that you have to start since it was screwing

964
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: up my redraft leagues and I was losing for a

965
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: little while. And again just it so, yes, we are

966
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: seeing those two types of strategies merge when they really

967
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: should be talked about as two separate things.

968
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: I think it's on us as analysts to make sure

969
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: we're making that separation for people too, and I get annoyed,

970
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: Like straight up, I'm like, I'll tell the analysts sometimes too,

971
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you're talking about this as if like

972
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: this is the strategy that people are are deploying and

973
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: using in season long. But it's not the same. It's

974
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: not the same at all. Like you can look, I

975
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: think best ball is really great for understanding you know,

976
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: like you said, within the position where guys should go,

977
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: and like like you know, like where guys are generally ranked,

978
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: Like you could probably because best ball's pretty sharp, especially

979
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: this time of year, you could probably use Bestball ADP

980
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: as straight up positional ranking and have an edge right

981
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: over what you know, your your buddy from accounting who

982
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: doesn't do any research is going to show up in

983
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: August with some list that is just very generic and

984
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: doesn't help isn't very helpful. But yeah, where these guys

985
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: go overall is really the problem.

986
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think also I've always adopted that just say,

987
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: like in a contained best ball because a lot when

988
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: we tow best ball now there's also everyone assumes it's

989
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: these giant contests where there's hundreds of thousands. I still

990
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: do a lot of best ball where it's like, you know,

991
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: the smaller groups. I play in the big tournaments too. Yeah,

992
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: but like we're only the top two get a cash reward.

993
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: And I still think in those type of leagues you've

994
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: got to push up the running backs that definitely have

995
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: jobs because you don't the voluable wide receivers. You don't

996
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: want them in your traditional home league. But it doesn't

997
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: matter as much of the most exactly, you never have

998
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: to call the shot. What's the worst See, what's the

999
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: worst part about fantasy football. I've said it before is deciding,

1000
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: you know which wide receiver three and four to choose from.

1001
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: Like when someone says, hey, should I start Michael Pittman

1002
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: this week or Matthew Golden, Right, I have no idea,

1003
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't have to call that shot. But

1004
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 2: that's I'm taking like a Breese hole in round two

1005
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: in best Ball if I'm picking towards the end of

1006
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: the round because I just want running backs I know

1007
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: have jobs, redown work rule, you know that type of stuff.

1008
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: All Right.

1009
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: I want to go through some scenarios across the league

1010
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: right now where we have teammates that are being drafted

1011
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: relatively close to each other, and I want to see

1012
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: how you feel one way or another about these guys,

1013
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: because I think this is a you know this number one.

1014
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: This is a question Like every week when I ask

1015
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: for mailback questions, it's always scenarios like this where they're like,

1016
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, someone's like, which player out of this backfield

1017
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: or which player you know amongst this wide receiver room

1018
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: do you like more? So we'll start out with probably

1019
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, one of the bigger ones this year is

1020
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: Luthor Burden versus Romadounsda.

1021
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: How sick is it going to be when either one

1022
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: of these guys has a good week one? And because

1023
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: this this is like split the country, right, I mean,

1024
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: politics unites us more than the Luther versus Room thing.

1025
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: At this point, I'm team Room, you know, and all

1026
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: of the under the hood smart metrics favorite Luther Burden here,

1027
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: but I don't know, he just had a longer chemistry

1028
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: with the Roman Dune Sam talking about Kaba Williams. Of course,

1029
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: now he wasn't Ben Johnson's pick. He inherited him, and

1030
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: I do think that means something. You know, Luther and

1031
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: Colston were his picks. But I mean those first four

1032
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: weeks before the jury, they would look good. What was

1033
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: he about a fifteen eighteen point three? Yeah, so, man,

1034
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm also a little biased. I made a bad trade

1035
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: where I acquired Rome, so I kind of need this

1036
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: to happen or else. You know, a lot of things

1037
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: are gonna go wrong with me. But I'm scared to

1038
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: death to draft Luthor Burden. I'm scared to death not

1039
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: to draft Luthor Burton.

1040
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: That's I think that's a healthy way to look at it.

1041
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: Like it really like comes down to, like, you know,

1042
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: if you're in a shallower league where you start two

1043
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers, two running backs, one tight end, no flex

1044
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, just something like really really shallow.

1045
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: I think that going after players like Luthor Burden is easier, yeah,

1046
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna have to rely on them and

1047
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: you can just shoot for the ceiling. Like I mean,

1048
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm a burden guy in general, so like I'm just

1049
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: gonna get them. But there's a very clear downside case here,

1050
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: like very very clear downside case. Are you straight up

1051
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: going Rome over Burden or is this a cost thing?

1052
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: I don't have to write like I don't and it's

1053
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: so hard for me to say, oh if they if

1054
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: you have to pick in a vacuum, which one would

1055
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: you pick? And it's it's I just don't have to

1056
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: make that choice. But I mean, yeah, if I'm forced

1057
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: to and you're asking me a question, I'm going to

1058
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 2: say Rome. But I don't feel good about this pick

1059
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: at all. It's like, it's terrible. Now. This reminds me

1060
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: a lot of Trevion Henderson last year. Right, all of

1061
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's a fourth round pick as a rookie,

1062
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: then he was a third and then the NFFC they

1063
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: were taking him in the second round. I was like,

1064
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is crazy. I was getting scared

1065
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: that people that plunking down fifteen hundred dollars for drafts

1066
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: are taking him. Then I just don't go with the

1067
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: one two turn. So I'm getting that same FuMO confusion

1068
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: about Luthor Burden. But yeah, I guess straight up, I'll

1069
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: take Rome, but I have no confidence in that.

1070
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a very real chance by the

1071
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: time August hits Luthor Burden is like a two to

1072
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: three turn type player, you know what I mean. Like,

1073
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: and that scares the crap out of me as one

1074
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: of the biggest Burden truthers out there, because I loved

1075
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: him as a prospect, you know, you know all of that.

1076
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: To be clear, I don't think that in all of

1077
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: these scenarios because like I don't have a player, like

1078
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: I still like drafting a Dunsay, you know, I still

1079
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: think that a Dunsay is a pretty good pick because

1080
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I recognize all of the different outcomes that can happen

1081
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: with the Bears offense this year, or at least I'm

1082
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: hoping to recognize, and I think that there is an

1083
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: outcome where Adunza is a better player and more productive

1084
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: player than what the markets suggesting.

1085
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: And you notice JJ, like when you pick Luther Burden

1086
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: in a draft room, you get the hipster high five pick,

1087
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: you get a good pick, you get the good pick

1088
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: in the chat. When you pick a Dunsay, it's like, yeah, next,

1089
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: nobody's you know, nobody's gonna congratulate you in and say

1090
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: good pick in the chat.

1091
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, do you feel the same way then about

1092
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas versus Parker Washington? Is this is this a

1093
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: very similar situation for you?

1094
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: This is the same thing except that BTJ. Oh, yeah,

1095
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: you're right, it really is the same thing, except BTJ

1096
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: just has like you know, stink all over him at

1097
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: this point, right, and.

1098
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: Dounsay had the split last year.

1099
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: Right, And Parker Washington also has the anchor pulling him

1100
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: back underneath based on like where that he was what

1101
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 2: a Day three real NFL pick, and that you know, listen,

1102
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: but all of the you know, if you if you're

1103
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: a coach speak player, I tend to favor coaching, Like

1104
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: when certain coaches say things, it seems like Parker Washington's in,

1105
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: but there's a lot more I would say, it's a

1106
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: lot more crowded, but there's still a lot of options

1107
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: over in Chicago too. I think Parker Washington, given that

1108
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: his wizzy about a fifth or probably sixth round pick

1109
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: at this point. I've seen him go in the six

1110
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: ye I've taken him in the sixth or maybe seventh

1111
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: if I got lucky. I think that that's more like

1112
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: you can swallow that cost a little bit to get burden.

1113
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: You just said, like there's no way Parker Washington's going

1114
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: up to the two three turn.

1115
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: It's just happening.

1116
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a little bit of a different conversation

1117
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: because you have your your core five players already set

1118
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 2: when you drive Parker Washington so I want to take

1119
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: the gamble on Parker Washington. I like what I saw,

1120
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: I like all the forward momentum with him, and you

1121
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: know who likes some Trevor Lawrence. That two targets him.

1122
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: So I'm more bullish on the success of Washington than

1123
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: I would be on Burden, even though there's more upside.

1124
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: Clearly with Luther Burden and Brian Thomas, he seems like

1125
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: he's going to be one of the best values if

1126
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: he hits this year.

1127
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: So I want to kind of move it's further down

1128
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: the list, But I do think it's an interesting conversation

1129
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: because there was a little bit of a discussion. Dwayne

1130
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: McFarlane sent a tweet about Michael Wilson versus in Parker

1131
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Washington over the weekend or like late last week. So

1132
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: we have Marvin Harrison Junior and Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson

1133
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: has been falling a little bit, so there's a little

1134
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: bit more of a gap than there was like like

1135
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: two or three months ago in their ADP. Do you

1136
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: have a strong lean there and do you feel like

1137
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: the Michael Wilson situation is very like Parker Washington or

1138
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: do you think there are some differences there.

1139
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: Well, this is a whole new regime in Arizona now, right.

1140
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: It's like so that this is similar to where I

1141
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: said about Romadoonda, where they're happy to have Marvin Harrison,

1142
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: but they didn't take right. There is a difference when

1143
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: you inherit someone versus when you made the pick, and

1144
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: the same obviously for Michael Wilson. But man, I thought

1145
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: I was being contrarian in early draft season taking Michael

1146
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: Wilson ahead of Marvin Harrison Junior. But it seems like

1147
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 2: that that this is another one of those fifty to

1148
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: fifty splits. I still think, you know, Marvin Harrison, you

1149
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: have to look at the pedigree. It just it can't

1150
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: be this bad the guy was, you know. I just

1151
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: it's a lesson learned in Dynasty two. JJ guy was

1152
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: wide receiver four before it took a snap man. Yeah,

1153
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: sure that was a mistake, But I think I would

1154
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: still leave Marv lean Marv. But man, have I I've

1155
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: gone back and forth with these guys too, and it

1156
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: seems like, you know, you can kind of get them both.

1157
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: They go similar pricing. But if you're drafting on the

1158
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: hook and you're creating these stacks them. You can try

1159
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: to get them both, but Marv is the answer.

1160
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get so worried about Michael Wilton. My comp

1161
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: for Michael Wilson not as like a player, but just

1162
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: like a season comp of what he did in twenty

1163
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: twenty five is twenty twenty four Jerry Judy.

1164
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.

1165
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: That's my fear.

1166
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: Right, It's good.

1167
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: Because because we saw the split with Judy and Winston

1168
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: right that year Jameis Winston and we saw Judy play

1169
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: have better numbers when Cedric Tillman was out that year,

1170
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: like when when injuries around him occurred, that's when he

1171
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: saw some more of his spiked weeks. And the same

1172
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: thing kind of happened with Michael Wilson last year with

1173
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, like Michael Wilson with Jacoby Like I

1174
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: think the split has always been for people, Michael Wilson

1175
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: with Jacoby Brissett. But really, when Jacoby Brissett was under

1176
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: center and Marvin Harrison ran eighty percent or more of

1177
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: their routes, so he was not you know, didn't have

1178
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: appendicitis and all this other these other issues. There was

1179
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: only three games of that happening last year where Marvin

1180
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior ran eighty percent or more of their routes

1181
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: with Jacoby Brissett under center, and then obviously Michael Wilson playing.

1182
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson didn't score double digit points in any of

1183
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: those games.

1184
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's revealing.

1185
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: I do think Michael Wilson is like better than what

1186
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: we expect, you know, what we saw from him the

1187
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: first handful of years of his career. With that being said,

1188
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: the difference to me with him and Parker Washington. This

1189
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: is what Dwayne was kind of talking about, because Dwayne

1190
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: brought up very very uh like in a smart way,

1191
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: like you should bring this up, is that when we've

1192
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: seen these players who haven't done anything historically and then

1193
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: they have these spiked you know, chunks of season, how

1194
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: do they then perform? And and Dwayne was basically saying like, hey, guys,

1195
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: these guys usually suck the next year, you know, like

1196
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: they're they're usually it's usually usually is a blip. And

1197
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: my point with Parker Washington was that because look, this

1198
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: isn't an anti Brian Thomas take.

1199
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: But you're pro Parker, right, You're pro Parker Washington.

1200
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: I think that that Parker Washington the difference between him

1201
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: and Michael Wilson is that his peripherals with Jacoby Myers

1202
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: and Brian Thomas playing last year were excellent. All like

1203
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: like I made, I made the comment that the difference

1204
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: between Parker Washington and Michael Wilson's that they both needed

1205
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: an injury for something more to happen.

1206
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1207
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: The difference though, is that Parker Washington, the injury to

1208
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter was what allowed the Jags to realize what

1209
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: they had in Parker Washington, whereas the injury to Marvin

1210
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior allowed Michael Wilson to just get gobbles and

1211
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: gobbles of volume and he wasn't efficient. His yards pro

1212
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: out run wasn't very strong last year, you know, it

1213
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: wasn't that that amazing. Whereas Parker Washington, in a really

1214
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: good ecosystem and environment with a good competition, was thriving

1215
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: at times, you know, and he had a really good

1216
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: yards per out run rate and he was really so

1217
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: like that backbone makes me feel more comfortable with Parker

1218
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: Washington than Michael Wilson, but it scares me too because obviously,

1219
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Wilson showed us that he had a

1220
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: really high ceiling It's just that I'm trying to just

1221
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: be as rational as I can with that that Wilson situation.

1222
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: See, this goes back to what we talked about in

1223
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: the beginning of this podcast, where you know you have

1224
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: to have a process, but be willing like to when

1225
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: there's nuances involved. Now, Dwayne made the factual statement that

1226
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: these guys usually just go off the map after they

1227
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: have a spike month, right, and you're set and then

1228
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: you kind of logic it out where this is why

1229
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: Parker Washington doesn't fit that exact pattern right now.

1230
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: Right, so as much at least, you know, like I

1231
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: can certainly see like I think that the answer to

1232
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the Jacksonville stuff is to draft Trevor Lawrence,

1233
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: you know, like like just capture it that way, or

1234
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: if you're playing beast ball, get one of these guys

1235
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: and as many drafts as you can, or stack them

1236
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: whatever I think it's gonna be. I'm gonna get my

1237
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: exposure and maybe this is a cop out, but I'm

1238
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot more my exposure to the Jags

1239
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver room in best ball than I will in

1240
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: season long, because I think it could be a headache

1241
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: week to.

1242
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 2: Week you don't have to call the shot, right yeah, right, yeah,

1243
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm even getting some of the Travis Hunter stuff too.

1244
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm you know, yeah, I was get that's a pick

1245
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 2: you get laughed at when you mean you just going

1246
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: back to the Cardinals wide receivers. You're assuming Jacoby Pressett

1247
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: week one starter here, like, I'm.

1248
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: Not that's the other too, all right, Yeah, that's that's

1249
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: certainly another part of the variance of of that profile.

1250
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: And I think Carson Beck's gonna start at some point

1251
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: this year, right, Like, I think there's a better chance

1252
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: of not right, what's.

1253
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: The under over on games started in JJ Zacharison's sportsbook

1254
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: for Carson Beck.

1255
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Starts, I would say five and a half.

1256
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 2: I was gonna say four and a half. I'll take

1257
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: I'll take the over on four and a half, and

1258
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: I'll still take that. I'd say probably half the season, right.

1259
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, around, Like, I think that there's a very real

1260
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: possibility that happens. And you're already running into the issue

1261
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: right now with the contract stuff with Persett, so like

1262
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: there's to me, there's there's you know, like like that

1263
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: was why I think even our in our four quarterback league,

1264
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: I took Carson Beck and like this he held to like

1265
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: the second round in that league, and I I I

1266
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: grabbed him because there's going to be an opportunity for

1267
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: him to do something. And even those players because like

1268
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: Arizona realistically is probably gonna be bad this year, then

1269
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: they'll have a high pick next year and more than

1270
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: likely going to take a quarterback. Like that's that's the

1271
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: like we can all see.

1272
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: This quite likely, right, But the Tyler Shook outcome is

1273
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: like is possible to it?

1274
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: Could that could happen? Or Carson Beck shows something and

1275
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: now they have a trade asset or something that they

1276
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: could they could deal, you know, like dangle and try

1277
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: to try to work with so like yes, and but

1278
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: like that would be Like I think Carson Beck is

1279
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: a problem for Marvin Harrison Junior and Michael Wilson and

1280
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love and what that Arizona offense might do. I've

1281
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: leaned Marvin Harrison Junior more comfortably, just because at least

1282
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: we can tell a story that they used them poorly

1283
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: and he had the back roone like you said, of

1284
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: just being a really like you know, he obviously hasn't

1285
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: looked up the expectation he's been okay enough, he's been

1286
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: He's he's played more like a mid to late first

1287
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: round pick, you know, as a as a player so

1288
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: far and not the elite you know what we expect

1289
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: out of a top five pick. But you know what

1290
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: if they unlock him and what it like, there's there's

1291
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: at least more of that pedigree that makes me feel

1292
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: more comfortable about drafting him.

1293
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: Isn't there a fifteen to twenty percent chance that Carson

1294
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: Beck is good enough where the Arizona gets the third

1295
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: pick and the quarterbacks go one two and they take

1296
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith. You know, something possible.

1297
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: It's possible. Yeah, there are other outs, which is why

1298
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw I mean in my super flex leagues,

1299
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: especially in this in rookie drafts this year, where the

1300
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: running backs and wide receivers were just weak. You know,

1301
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: you get to the second round, I'm you know, most

1302
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: of these second rounds, especially mid to late second round,

1303
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm taking car I have a lot of Carson Beck

1304
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: just because I don't think he's gonna hit. It's just

1305
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: this is the this is the game theory side of things,

1306
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: you know.

1307
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and I have previously talked to it,

1308
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: but I would take Carson Beck in a rookie draft

1309
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: as high as one twelve.

1310
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: Which I understand. Yeah, I get the logic because.

1311
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: The minute he stawt there's something you could do there,

1312
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: And lord forbid, he's got a two fifty and two

1313
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,959
Speaker 2: with no interceptions in that first game. Now you're talking

1314
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: about a top twenty dynasty quarterback. But they'll be pushedback

1315
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: because if Arizona doesn't have a lot of wins, then

1316
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: you're right that there's always that threat that he's gonna

1317
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: get Josh Rosend.

1318
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's very obvious us saying this,

1319
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: like that's not the likely outcome. You know, the likely

1320
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: outcome is he sucks or he doesn't. You know, he

1321
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: just doesn't do much. But that's that's the likely outcome

1322
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: for a lot of.

1323
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: The second round wide receivers anyway, And he's a likely

1324
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: outcome for even high pedigree quarterbacks that they're more likely

1325
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: to fail than not like cam Ward, Like if he

1326
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: wasn't the one O one, you'd be like, ee right.

1327
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: Now, exactly exactly, all right, let's go to Pittsburgh and

1328
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: look at that backfield. I'm curious how you look at

1329
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: at Jalen Warren versus Rico Dauda. We'll get a couple

1330
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: more of these in.

1331
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, super quick? Is that I'm I'm nervous about

1332
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: Jalen Warren. He got he was supposed to be the

1333
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: alpha guy last year, gets thrown out of the way

1334
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: by Kenny Gamwell more or less, who's an efficiency monster? Right,

1335
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: Jayla Warren's a good player, like you want him. He's

1336
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: perfectly good. But Rico Dawdell, they bring him in, they

1337
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: don't bring in anybody else. Of note, Rico daddell familiarity

1338
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: with Mike McCarthy trusts him. Right. So I would say

1339
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: that this is probably a classic split and that both

1340
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: guys are solid picks. But you know, I want Rico

1341
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: Dawdell here, and I think that the market mostly agrees.

1342
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: He's more likely to have more touchdowns, I would say,

1343
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 2: more carries. And again, though Jalen WARN's a good player,

1344
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: but every time we think it's Jalen Warren season, it's like, oh, yeah,

1345
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: but this happens. Oh yeah, but but this happens. So

1346
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: although Jalen Warren, I know he's got his fans, and

1347
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to have him on my team. This

1348
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: is Rico Doubtley. I think we can. Rico Dadda was

1349
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: like a week winner last year. I don't remember ever

1350
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: saying Jalen Warren week winner.

1351
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned Kenneth Gainwell. I think I saw

1352
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: an interesting take from you on social media. Let's hear

1353
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: that the Bucky Irving versus Kenneth Gainwell.

1354
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Kenneth Gainwell was about four point seven

1355
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: Tommy touches the football. Do you remember that game that

1356
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: nobody knew that he was going to be replacing Jillen

1357
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: Moore and it was an international game. You woke up

1358
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: and Kenneth Gainwell basically broke fantasy broke dfs. Bucky Irving

1359
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: was a fourth round pick who had a good year,

1360
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: very similar to like Damian Pierce a couple of years ago.

1361
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: I like Bucky Irving, but man, there was questions last

1362
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: year when he was going. Bucky Irving was going in

1363
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: the second round of fantasy drafts. Could he hold up?

1364
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: The answer was no. I like to see these guys

1365
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: do it. Who's Bucky Irving right? Like? He had his

1366
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: best year when Liam Combe was there. Look, then Liam

1367
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: Cohen goes to Jacksonville and Trevor Traves ETN has his

1368
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: good year. Bucky Irving's great, good player. But Kenneth Gainwell

1369
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: was given the motherload contract right here. Seven million bucks

1370
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: a year, you know what I'm saying for a guy

1371
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: of that, but it's more than we thought he was

1372
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: gonna get. I think that Kenneth Gainwell, I'm betting on

1373
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: him to be more productive in fantasy football then Bucky Irving.

1374
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: And I think that this thing is a fifty to

1375
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: fifty split where I think that the general markets looking

1376
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: at as like a seventy to thirty Bucky thing.

1377
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: There's a very real chance that Bucky Irving is a

1378
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: between the twenties guy, and that's terrible for fantasy football,

1379
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: right where Kenneth Gamewell's the pass catcher and he's been

1380
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, he obviously played that role last year very well.

1381
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: And Sean Tucker plays goal line stuff and gets some

1382
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: goal line stuff like that's a very real possibility too,

1383
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, that leaves Bucky Irving,

1384
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, and not only that, the workload concerns I

1385
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: think are only validated by these injuries that he's that

1386
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: he's gotten over the last year, you know, and that

1387
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: you know that he's coming back from right now, like

1388
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: that's only enhanced the feeling that he's not going to

1389
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: necessarily be the bellcow that he was down the stretch,

1390
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: you know during his rookie year. Yeah.

1391
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: I mean when we started doing drafts JJ in February,

1392
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving was like a two three turn pick and

1393
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: then just falling frow it was settling in like that

1394
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: late fourth round something like that. Right now about.

1395
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I mean on draftings, he's falling even more

1396
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: just because of the the the injury stuff. Like he's

1397
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: like in the firmly in the fifth.

1398
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: He's I go when I do my draft rankings, I

1399
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 2: go to for drafting, I go down to Bucky Irving

1400
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: and I cross him off. And I have game well

1401
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: on literally every single team, because again I give them

1402
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty to compete here, and the market's

1403
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: treating it like it's not that so gainwell to the

1404
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 2: moon this year in my that that'll be I guess

1405
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: what we call flagplant, right, Yes.

1406
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was gonna say you. Like, the

1407
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: last question I want to ask you is a bold

1408
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: take for what we could see in twenty twenty six.

1409
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: Would that be your bold take?

1410
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: No, that's not so. I you know, it's funny, I said,

1411
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: I talked a little game well with somebody that said, oh,

1412
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: that's vanilla ice cream, said vanilla ice cream. That's not

1413
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: vanilla ice cream. Take. So, I want to ask you,

1414
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: do you want medium spice? You want real spice? I

1415
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: mean you can give me the real spice. Okay, the

1416
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: real spie. And I'm not saying this just to like,

1417
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, sensations. I really do believe Tank Dell, the

1418
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: wide receiver who missed all of last year by all

1419
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: means coming back, is set up to be a top

1420
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: twenty five wide receiver in fantasy football. I would even

1421
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: say maybe higher. He was about a fifteen point per

1422
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: game for his catastrophic injury. I don't think the rookies

1423
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: that the Houston Texans drafted. They looked fine, but they

1424
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: didn't look like they were going to be the future

1425
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: of the franchise. Nico Collins gets his extension. He's the

1426
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: true Alpha, but he showed the Tank Dell show that

1427
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: he could exist. Now if he's even back to even

1428
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: somewhat with what he was, CJ. Shroud had a real

1429
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 2: connection with him. My hot take is that you could

1430
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: pick the round you want Tank Dell. He's coming back,

1431
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: leader of the locker room type of guy. I'm going

1432
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: Tank Dell is a top twenty five wide receiver in

1433
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Fantasy football.

1434
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's spicy. That's spicy. I mean really comes down

1435
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: to the recovery though, So I get it makes sense. Alan,

1436
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: This was amazing. It was really great to have you on,

1437
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: let everyone know where they can find you, what you're

1438
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: working on, and all that good stuff I got.

1439
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: I was part of the boomer hack on Twitter where

1440
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: they stole my Twitter account and you were generous enough

1441
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: to push out my in it to let people know.

1442
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: So it's Alan underscore, says Lastka. I'm now part of

1443
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: the dreaded underscore community on Twitter. And you know, I

1444
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: didn't have a huge following on Twitter. I had a

1445
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: few thousand people, but I'd spent ten years billing that

1446
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: damn account out JJ and now I'm starting it from scratch.

1447
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, I know you're saying, this guy clicked on

1448
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: a link. These hackers, they're getting very clever.

1449
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: Health They're getting clever, man, They're getting good. It's scary

1450
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: out there.

1451
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: I think I was a lesson for you. You're not clicking

1452
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: on any links at this point.

1453
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't click a thing. I get from people

1454
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I know what's going on exactly, and

1455
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: then you go and you look at their profile and

1456
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: it just all crypto stuff. Yeah.

1457
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: So also I'll promote serious XM satellite radio. I'm on

1458
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: channel eighty seven up until July do this Dynasty show

1459
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: one to three Eastern, and then after that we'll be

1460
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: on in the road a wire slot doing traditional radio.

1461
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: If we have satellite Channel eighty seven is the Fantasy

1462
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: Sports channel, or anytime on the on the Twitter. And

1463
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 2: uh so let me say you just before we go here,

1464
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: I want your hot take because I know you're not

1465
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: a hot take artist. I'm not a hot take I know,

1466
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: so this is uncomfortable for you.

1467
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: I think my hot take right now. You know what,

1468
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: since we were talking about it, I'll say that that

1469
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle finishes as a top eight. Is that is

1470
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: that cool?

1471
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: We'll say it, say it, say it.

1472
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: I'll say I'll plant the flag a little bit on

1473
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: Jaalen Wattle spoiler. He'll be a he'll be a player,

1474
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: to target in the draft guide this year?

1475
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: Will you will you be an extra pain if the

1476
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: player you traded me for, Eli Stowers is a top

1477
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 2: eight wide receiver.

1478
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: Process over results.

1479
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: You're you're what they what my grandmother would call a

1480
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: mensch JJ. That is a very big compliment. You can

1481
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: anyone out there, you can google it. It's Yiddish.

1482
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate all

1483
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: of you for listening. To make sure you are checking

1484
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: out the new Late Round dot com, becoming a member,

1485
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: checking out the members hub, taking a look at the

1486
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: Late Round Draft guide that will be out July tenth

1487
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: this year. Need a little bit of extra time. It's

1488
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: usually July first, but I needed a little bit extra

1489
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: time just given all the changes going on at Late Round.

1490
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 1: But that will be out on July tenth. A lot

1491
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: of new stuff in there that I'm very excited about,

1492
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: So check it out Lateround dot com. Otherwise, everyone, as usual,

1493
01:04:51,120 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning in. Put the desk