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Speaker 1: again to my friend Katrina Widman. It is her fourth

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Speaker 3: down this hallway, this is what he looked like.

436
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: He had a tap pat.

437
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: And then we find out, you know, through our research,

438
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: we find there was an eyewitness ten years ago who

439
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 3: had the same experience in the same area of the building.

440
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: You know that that becomes really interesting. And that's one

441
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 3: of the patterns we look for is shared experiences between

442
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: people that don't know each other, between different lights of time.

443
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: That becomes a really interesting phenomena.

444
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the best, Like, yeah, wow, it's

445
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: so cruc people that don't know each other's experience the

446
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: same thing at different times.

447
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we actually had because years ago on Paranormal

448
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: State there was red Boiling Springs, Tennessee. The Thomas House.

449
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: But Jack and I also went to for season two.

450
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: Great place.

451
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 3: I love the people there, and just through our research

452
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: and we found out that there was someone who believed

453
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: that they had an imaginary friend when they were little

454
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: at the Thomas House named Sarah. Well, it turns out

455
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: Sarah was a ghost that people had been seeing for years,

456
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean decades, and she didn't know about it. As

457
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 3: a kid, they didn't I don't even think her mom

458
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 3: knew about her. Mom was like, I think her mom

459
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: worked there as like a cleaner or something. And so

460
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: we tracked down this woman and we told her like

461
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: on camera, like well, like tell us about your mentionary friend.

462
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: And she told us about her, and then we were like, well, do.

463
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: You know that people have been claiming to see her

464
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: for like decades? And she I mean just her Reactually

465
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: ever go back and watch that episode. It's amazing because

466
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: she's like what and you know, but it's interesting because again,

467
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: she was just a kid.

468
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: She didn't know you know, oh my god.

469
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sarah has other our friends too, just so you know, Okay,

470
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: what about so this season, you guys go to asylums.

471
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: I never know the word asylums, psychiatric hospital facilities. Yeah,

472
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: so how many of those did you guys do this year?

473
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: Oh?

474
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: A couple of them.

475
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember.

476
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: They all smushed together for me after a while, they

477
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: do like I need like the list in front of me.

478
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: Remember, I found a list here online. Ellowise Psychiatric hospital.

479
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, so one Okay, I think it was just

480
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: one that we went to of like mental health facilities.

481
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: We did a restaurant.

482
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: We did a couple of theaters. I know, right, me too,

483
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: Jack and I found lots of costumes stress.

484
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: Up in Oh my god, kind of theaters.

485
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: So one was an actual theater down in Savannah, savannahs

486
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: Theater right downtown.

487
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: It was so cool.

488
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: And then we went to actually a magician's theater in

489
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: Hot Springs, Arkansas, which was amazing. It was like an

490
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: old movie house type of theater and he turned it

491
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: into his place where he performs, and he's just he

492
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: is a character. He's so nice, but he's he's very

493
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 3: like exactly what you think the magician would be, you know,

494
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 3: and just really cool old Art Deco type building.

495
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at it. The Malco Theater place. Yeah,

496
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Malco so cool. Wait, so they did like magic shows there.

497
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he and his ex wife were like

498
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: partners in a magic show.

499
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: Is there. Do you think that there's like, now, this

500
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: could be a stretch, But sometimes I think actually I

501
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: think about magic a lot because you know, especially a

502
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: long time ago, I think people just assume magicians have

503
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: some kind of paranormal ability, and you know, Hoodini was

504
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: into the seances, and it's like there is this weird

505
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: It's like we know that it's not real, but like

506
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: maybe it could be. Like I don't know, it's like

507
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: a lot, it's it's a fun thing because it it

508
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: kind of in some ways goes along with the paranormal

509
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: I think. But do you think that there's any like

510
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: if a space, if someone's doing a bunch of magic

511
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: in a space, do you think that there could be

512
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: that could do something for paranormal activity?

513
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess it depends on what type

514
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 3: of magic they're doing, you know. So I mean if

515
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: it's just sort of like sleight of hand stuff, I

516
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: don't know, but you know, you get into things where

517
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: they're putting on acts where they're like actually you can

518
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: see this, and haunted houses too, where they're like pretending

519
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: to call in something as part of their act, you know,

520
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: and then you can see it seems like there's a

521
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: pattern of once they do that an extended period of time,

522
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 3: things happen after that.

523
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: So I could see something like that. I tend not.

524
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: To say that there's any absolutes though, just because we

525
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: don't really know, So I'm not closed off to the

526
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: idea at all that, you know, maybe maybe that does something.

527
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Or you have to take into consideration too, the energy

528
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: that people bring to the show, Like maybe there's just

529
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: something to do with going to some sort of theatrical

530
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: performance where there's that much energy between people, you know,

531
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: does that do anything?

532
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, like what about a room full of

533
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: people that believe that this stuff is real? Like does

534
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: that could that contribute to something being real? I don't know.

535
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: Is this is a stretch. I'm just like thinking out loud.

536
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: But last time you were on, we were talking about

537
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: haunted theaters and we were talking about how there's always

538
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: a woman in white? Was there were there any women

539
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: in white actresses?

540
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I think at both of them. Definitely Savannah.

541
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: There's the story of someone on the stage that people

542
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: will see and she'll come out and perform.

543
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: And I think.

544
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember there is someone on the stage

545
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: at Malco, but I don't know that it's the woman

546
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: in white. I don't believe we really heard that. It

547
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: was more male figures that seem to hang out in

548
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: the house. But yeah, it's a funny phenomena, isn't it

549
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: because people have seen this. I saw something. There was

550
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: a theater we did. Where was it Ohio? I think

551
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: it was Ohio, Jack and I and the name is

552
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: escaping me, but it's an old opera house and I

553
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: saw something like on the stage for like a second

554
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: to the point where like I question it. I'm like,

555
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: did I really see that? But you know it's I'm like,

556
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: I know I saw something. But that one was a

557
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: funny one. So I think that was season A, season one.

558
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: That might have been season one for me and Jack,

559
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: And it's funny. I don't think they kept it in

560
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: the episode, but we uh we called in the old

561
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: owner and he's this like real eccentric guy, really cool

562
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 3: guy who was into theater.

563
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: He was like a theater.

564
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Major, loved performing, loves antiques, so he would just like

565
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: collect all these.

566
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: Antiques and then he became like the mayor of.

567
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: The town, like just like, you know, just a really amazing,

568
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: sweet person. And when we were questioning him, we're like,

569
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, can you think of anything that might have.

570
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: Set this off? Like why is this place so honted.

571
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, I don't, I don't know.

572
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: And then he's like, well, you know, we're like what

573
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: He's like nah, or like no, no, tell us, like

574
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: we've heard everything, you know, you don't have to feel

575
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: weird about saying anything in front of us.

576
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: He's like, well, they had.

577
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: The building next door was the police department, and they

578
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: needed to make more room, so they dug underneath, so

579
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: there was the basement.

580
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: They needed more space.

581
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: So they dug even further right, and when they did that,

582
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: they found this old sarcophicus, like un honest to god

583
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: sarcophagus like four feet underground.

584
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

585
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Okay, and now listen to that.

586
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: So Jack and I we were like you found you what,

587
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: like you've in like the middle of Ohio you find

588
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: this ancient sarcophagus buried underground.

589
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: He's like yeah.

590
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, we didn't want them to stop,

591
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: like because anytime you find something like that, you you

592
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: probably should call the police. They were the police, so

593
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, whatever, but they didn't want to

594
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: stop construction because they were on a tight deadline.

595
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: So we were like, well, what did you do?

596
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: And he's like, wow, it was really and we couldn't

597
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: get it out, so we smashed it to pieces and.

598
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Took it out that way, and.

599
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: Like in my head it was swirling like paranormal one

600
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: oh one things not to do. Yeah, device like you know,

601
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: and he's like, but I don't know why I thought it.

602
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, maybe the ancient sarcophagus that you guys,

603
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: you know, smashed to pieces.

604
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

605
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: So was there activity before they smashed the SARCOPHA gives.

606
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

607
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: I think that's what because he came in around that time.

608
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: It seems like everything for him happened around the same time.

609
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: But when he he actually lived in the theater and

610
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: he turned the stage into an apartment and he showed

611
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: us pictures and it was like amazing, and so I

612
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: think it was after he lived there that.

613
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: He became the mayor. But uh, you know, I think so.

614
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: I think there was activity that predated that. But the

615
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: story we got when we went is that something had

616
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: shifted to be more negative.

617
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm ignorant of this sarcophagus. I always hear that, like

618
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: first of all, favorite word ever. I think I just

619
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: decided sarcophagus. I always hear that, like in ancient Egypt

620
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. But like, what, what exactly is a sarcophagus?

621
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: I think it's just it's an ancient light casket. Uh,

622
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: this one.

623
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 3: It was made out of stone though, and like formed

624
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: to the body from what I understand.

625
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: WHOA yeah, And.

626
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: When they did open it up, what he told us

627
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: was they opened it up and there was nothing in there.

628
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: There was the body got out, I guess.

629
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: I guess, so it's crawled the way out.

630
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: I don't know that body. Maybe it was always empty.

631
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: I just think it's weird that there was no remnants

632
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 3: of like anything. But maybe it's not weird.

633
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

634
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: It's Ohio and they were in a they were in

635
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: a floodstone anyway, So you know, it's possible that whatever

636
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: was in there just didn't didn't survive and got you know,

637
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: is integrated over time.

638
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: Is it possible it was an old set piece from

639
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: Joseph in the Amazing Technicolor Dream Code or something that

640
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: just happened to be down there.

641
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: Right as a cast Frank or like, let's bury it

642
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 3: and years later someone will find it and it'll be hilarious.

643
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, wait, I'm curious about these places

644
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: that you guys went this year that have never been seen.

645
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: What was that?

646
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: Yes?

647
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: Ooh, Probably my favorite was Ernestine in Hazel's, which is

648
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: in Memphis, Tennessee. And I love me some Memphis. I

649
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: love Memphis.

650
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: It is a great city.

651
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: And I'm from Philly, so it has like a similar

652
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: vibe of just you know, it's just like, I don't

653
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: know how to describe it, it's just the vibe. And

654
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: so Ernestine in Hazel's is a restaurant now, but it

655
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: used to be originally Ernestine and Hazel they were hairdressers

656
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: and they used to do the hair upstairs, and there

657
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: was like a club underneath it, and it was the hangout,

658
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: like the hangout spot in Memphis for all the musicians.

659
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: So all the big acts that came through Memphis would

660
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: go there afterwards. And oh gosh, like twenties.

661
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Thirties, forties, fifties.

662
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's cool too, is they they were also

663
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: like an establishment for African Americans because you know, especially

664
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 3: during that time period, there wasn't a whole lot of acceptance,

665
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 3: as we all know, so it really became a hot

666
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: spot for that. So like Ray Charles would hang out there,

667
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin.

668
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: Who else?

669
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: Well, Elvis used to eat across the street because the

670
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 3: diner that he went for his famous sandwiches there.

671
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and peanut butter.

672
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: Oh it was like peanut butter. And then yeah.

673
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting it confused because I do have

674
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: a relative that every single day eats a peanut butter

675
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: and mayonnaise sandwich, which makes me what one of I

676
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: should I should have said trigger warning one of the

677
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: grossest things I've ever heard.

678
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: Sorry, how do you even get into that? Like, what's

679
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: that moment in your life where you're like, you know what, what.

680
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: If I'm going to try this.

681
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: Really good with this MAYONNAISEA that's.

682
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: So creepy to me?

683
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: Okay about well, Ernestine and Hazel, So what's funny is

684
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: they have a jukebox there that they think is haunted,

685
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: and the story goes that the jukebox will play music

686
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: that will be related to your conversation. So right, so,

687
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: for example, if I'm talking about I don't know, say hey,

688
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: my name's Katrina, and then Katrina and the waves comes on.

689
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: Cool, you know, right, is it?

690
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 2: So yeah? So right, So that's something that we were thinking.

691
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: We're like, do they have it like secretly rigged with

692
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: like a bluetooth and.

693
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah.

694
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: But it's been happening for decades like things that pre

695
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: date that technology, you know, and apparently the Establishment is

696
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: really really well known for it. Also it is their

697
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: second jukebox, so the previous one did it as well.

698
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: Wow, and you.

699
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: Know, like obviously you know, we're like, we're we're investigators.

700
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: We're like, well, we're going to figure it out, like

701
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: we're there's got to be an answer for this. And

702
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 3: but when we were there, honest to god, it did

703
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 3: it so many times, so many times really, so it started, yeah,

704
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: to the point where we had to plug it because

705
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: we can't. I mean, you know, working in television you

706
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: have to any kind of music, you have to get license, right,

707
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's really really expensive. And so, uh, it

708
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: was happening so much that we were worried about the legalities,

709
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: but also like we were interviewing people and would keep

710
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: going on off, So like we were also like on

711
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: you know, a timeline, and we're like, well, crap, we

712
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: can't keep stopping down every single time a song comes on.

713
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: So eventually we just had to unplug it.

714
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: But do you do you have to put money in

715
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: to get it to play? How does it just play?

716
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: No?

717
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: It was doing it, so, yes you do. If you

718
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: do want a song to come on, you have to

719
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: put money in. You was just doing it about it,

720
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: I know, but not when it was going off by itself.

721
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: It didn't have money in it, like nobody put anything in.

722
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would just go off, these ghosts getting their freebies.

723
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

724
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Well, and that's what's interesting because I think a lot

725
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: of people would assume a haunted jukebox. They wouldn't, but

726
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: since there's been two of them, it's it seems more

727
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: like a ghost or a ghost that like a jukebox,

728
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, sometimes you hear about

729
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: haunted objects. Is it the actual object itself or is

730
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: is there a spirit of it that's controlling it?

731
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: Or right?

732
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: Well, no, there is. At the Magic Castle in Hollywood,

733
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: there's the piano that can play any song or whatever

734
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: on its own. But that I is like a magic trick.

735
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it, but yeah, it's

736
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: like the same kind of idea. So this place was

737
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: known to be haunted, but nobody had ever been in there.

738
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: I mean, what took them so long?

739
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: Well for Ernestine and Hazels. Yeah, yeah, so they've had

740
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: I guess they've had.

741
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: Some kind of investigation. Oh, they have had investigations there,

742
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: just not on television. So there were local investigators that

743
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: we ended up talking to, and they have gone in

744
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: a few times, but it's just they've never done it

745
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 3: for TV.

746
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: So and I don't know why.

747
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of off the beaten path, like

748
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: you don't know about it unless you're from the area.

749
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: You know, not that they.

750
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: Hide the fact that they have things happen, it's just

751
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: not you know. I think a lot of times we

752
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: hear about like the big crazy like prisons and hospitals

753
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: and things like that, and those kind of take those

754
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: kind of like overshadow the smaller place.

755
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: Though, sometimes I think.

756
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Is there Do they have any theory for why it's haunted?

757
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: I think it's just the history.

758
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: You know, there's so many people that came through there,

759
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: and it was also they did use it as a bordello,

760
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: you know. So a lot of the musicians that were

761
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: coming through town, Ernestine and Hazel's was a good time

762
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: for everything.

763
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: You can get every haircut, you can get a drink,

764
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: you can get food, you could get something else.

765
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: You can get drugs, you could get you get a lady.

766
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yep.

767
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 3: So it was it was the place to be back

768
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: then because you could get any It was like a

769
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: little miniature vegas Us.

770
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: That a big place.

771
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: No, it's not that big.

772
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's big as far it's a building in

773
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: a city, you know.

774
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, one of those.

775
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: Buildings where it just goes up and down. But it's

776
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: it's big for what you would think of something like that,

777
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: but it's not big in comparison to like a prison

778
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: or a hospital.

779
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: Well you've been to that Bobby Mackie's place. Oh yeah,

780
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: that place to me feels like.

781
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: Darkness, Yeah, Bobby. Bobby Mackie's is a strange location. Been

782
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: there twice. I never had anything really negative happen while

783
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: I was there. Just the only thing that's strange that

784
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: always sticks out to me is I think I told you.

785
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: That thing that happened.

786
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: Both Jack and I ended up in the emergency room,

787
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 3: like on the same day. It was like three days

788
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: after we filmed that episode. We're both in the er,

789
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: and we both had psychics who don't necessarily know us

790
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: very well reach out out to us on that day,

791
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: being like, Hey, I don't know what you're doing, but

792
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: something followed you home and it's dark.

793
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing negative happens there. What are you talking about?

794
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it was. It was very strange.

795
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Has anything followed you home this season?

796
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. Things have been relatively quiet.

797
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: We moved though, too, so I think, like, my new

798
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: place has really good energy in it.

799
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: Did you ask if it was haunted?

800
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: He didn't, No, but I didn't get the vibe. It

801
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: just felt really really good, you know good.

802
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the what's the other places that you went

803
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: to that nobody's ever been. I was reading about a

804
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: museum that you guys went to.

805
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh, the Truss Tailor Museum that's up in Plymouth, Massachusetts.

806
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: And it's literally like a block away from Plymouth Rock,

807
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: Like literally the rock is there, and then you're like,

808
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, you're not even a full block. It's

809
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: right there and that's never been on television, but long

810
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: standing history of being haunted.

811
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: And actually it's funny.

812
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: Because that one producer I was talking that one producer

813
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: I was talking about he's lived like everywhere every place

814
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: we went. He's like, yeah, I lived here, I lived here,

815
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 3: So he knew of all these hidden gems that had

816
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: never really been on television. Yeah, so this one also

817
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: came from him. And there's actually two houses that are

818
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: part of the museum, and both of them have activity.

819
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: One is a little lighter, one seems to be a

820
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: little more negative, but they have things people have cleaned

821
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 3: that televisions have flown off the wall or off of

822
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: you know whatever they're sitting on, and smashed doors closing

823
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: and opening with no explanation, voices, but steps, things moving.

824
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: While we were there, I think one of the stranger

825
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: things that happened our director of photography, Addison Miller.

826
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: You'll see him sometimes in the background.

827
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: The really really sweet guy, and he was sitting on

828
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 3: this I don't know what it was like some sort

829
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: of like lower table, not necessarily a coffee table, but

830
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: it was like lower and it was what's the name

831
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: for it.

832
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: It was like ten top.

833
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 3: Kind of I'm not explaining it really well, like where

834
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: it's hollow, so like if you knock on it, it'll

835
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: it'll make a noise, you know, it'll bang, kind of

836
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 3: like aluminum.

837
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: I guess it would be anyway.

838
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: So he's sitting on that with his camera, which those

839
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: cameras are really really heavy, and Addison is also a

840
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: grown man, you know what I mean. So he's sitting

841
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: on it with his camera and all of a sudden,

842
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: the thing starts to like vibrate like somebody had just

843
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: like hit it really really hard, and he felt He's like,

844
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: what is happening? And like he gets up. We test

845
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: it over and over again. We could never find an

846
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: explanation for that.

847
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: Ah.

848
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really weird, and it was happening during

849
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: the time where there was a succession of things that

850
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: were going on. So and you can feel it like

851
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: you've been on investigations before, you know how, you can

852
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: just like feel something is.

853
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: Different, something's happening.

854
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like holding if you hold in your breath,

855
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: take a deep breath and you hold it in. It's

856
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: that feeling like that singly weird, tense ceiling and then

857
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: when you let it go, when you let your breath go,

858
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. It's like everything went out of

859
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: the room after that moment.

860
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: It was it was very very weird.

861
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm thinking right now about this activity

862
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: that we experience. The stuff that isn't I mean, I

863
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: don't know, demon like, the stuff that's demons or evil

864
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: or stuff that's not connected to like human spirits. What

865
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: do you think is like the capabilities of that stuff,

866
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: Like from your findings, what do you think is activity

867
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: that comes from that kind of energy or whatever you

868
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: want to say?

869
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: Well, typically when we see somebody describing something negative, we

870
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: see it with more physical activity, aggressive activity, so scratches,

871
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: pushing hair, pulling, objects moving, and not just little objects

872
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: but big objects. Lorraine Warren always said if it was

873
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: over just a couple of pounds and.

874
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: It moves, then it's the demon, you know.

875
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: That was one of her criteria. But we also have

876
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: to take into account the perceptions of people, right, So

877
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: I might talk to a client who is telling me

878
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: there's a demon in their house. I'm like, Okay, well

879
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: why do you think that? And they'll give me a

880
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: rundown of things that are happening. As an investigator, I'm like,

881
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: that really doesn't sound like that's what you're dealing with,

882
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: you know. But they've convinced themselves that it is because

883
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: of their own background, you know, so you have to

884
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: take that in consideration. The other thing I would say,

885
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: there's I think I've talked to you about the Seaford,

886
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: New York case in the fifties, right, Have I talked

887
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: to you about that one?

888
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: The Poltugeist one.

889
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what is it?

890
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So it was in the fifties.

891
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: It was this family for nuclear family lived in this

892
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: cute neighborhood in Seaford, New York, like a post World

893
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: War two type the neighborhood neighborhood, and for six weeks

894
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: they had intense insane activity that was witnessed by multiple people,

895
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: including cops, psychologists, reporters, you know.

896
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: And it's still an open police case today.

897
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: And what's interesting about that case is they had a

898
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: bookshelf that was like two hundred and fifty pounds just

899
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: lift off the ground and fall. And there were multiple

900
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: witnesses to this event. So now you know, you talk

901
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: to now did any they had I mean six weeks

902
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: of really crazy activity like that? But then it went away,

903
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 3: nothing bad ever happened to them. So you know, you're

904
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: going to talk to one person and they would look

905
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: at all that criteria and they'd be like, well, that's

906
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: a demon, but it doesn't add up to you know what,

907
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: what necessarily a church, the church would call demonic activity.

908
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: It does in some ways, but there for demonic activity

909
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 3: to happen, usually.

910
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: There's the target. It's how the church looks at it,

911
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: you know.

912
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 3: So there's one person being more affected, there's one person

913
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: who seems to be the target for the bully, if

914
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: you want to look at it that way. And so

915
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: even though they had matching criterias in some columns, it

916
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 3: didn't fully match up on others. But for me, I

917
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: think the case is that we've been on where it

918
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: does seem like there is something otherworldly happening that we

919
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: would classify as negative, meaning it's having a very negative

920
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: effect on somebody.

921
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: There. It kind of does.

922
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, it does seem to follow the rules of

923
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church that they've laid out, which is there's

924
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 3: a there's a starting point, which is infestation, and that

925
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: happens with some sort of invitation within the person. So

926
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 3: you know, whether they're going through a hard time or

927
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: they've invited it in somehow. It's like you're opening the

928
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: door for you know, a party to happen, and all

929
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: the little buggers come inside and infest and you know,

930
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: infest your home, and then it breaks you down and

931
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: that's when you get oppression. Some people also like to

932
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: add obsession in there, but oppression is just where you're

933
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: feeling these things. You don't know why, they don't make

934
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: sense for you, your family's noticing it, and then it

935
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: turns into possession, which is when the person gets taken over.

936
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: So I think in cases that we've been on, like

937
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: a long time ago, that seems seems.

938
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: To be it would at least be something that the

939
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 2: Catholic Church would label that way.

940
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: It does kind of seem to follow that pattern, which

941
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: is which is strange for me.

942
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: So do you ever go to these cases and since

943
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: you said invitation is important, do you do you ever

944
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: have a hard time figuring out like, all right, which

945
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: one of you did this and they're like it wasn't me,

946
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: and then you like find it out. Yeah.

947
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: Actually, there was a there was a case a really

948
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: long time ago where the family believed that they were

949
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: being haunted by something negative day. I think they were

950
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: using the word demon. But again, they were from a

951
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 3: very very religious town.

952
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: They were very religious.

953
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: So you know, we were like, wow, that's like they're

954
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: a lexicon for it, you know.

955
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: And we were like going over and over and over

956
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 2: again in our.

957
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: Heads like what what costs? Where is the starting point

958
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: for this? Let me ask them multiple times. So when

959
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: I worked with clients, it's not just one interview, it's

960
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: like five or six interviews we do with people, and

961
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 3: that's a question that we were asking them every single time.

962
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: Nothing ever came up. And then when we were there

963
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 3: and we were having the interview in person, was it

964
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: was like one of those things like what I was

965
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 3: just telling you about with the theater director who was like, oh, yeah,

966
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: well we did find this ancient stercophacus in the basement,

967
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

968
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: You know.

969
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: It was the same thing where this guy was like,

970
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: well you know what he's like.

971
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: There was that one time I made a pact with

972
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: the devil.

973
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, And we were like, what.

974
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: This guy when he was younger, he made a pack

975
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: with the devil, like a straight up offered his soul

976
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: to the devil in exchange for things, and he had

977
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 3: just like slipped his mind.

978
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: I don't know how you forget that, but I.

979
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: Guess he get whatever he wanted the devil to give him.

980
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: I guess in certain ways, but I don't know if

981
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: it was fully I don't know if that contract is

982
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: fully executed.

983
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: You need a demon lawyer next time. Yeah, thank you

984
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,640
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985
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,640
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