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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, Jim berkenstat is the rock and roll detective

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Speaker 1: mysteries in the music case closed the Beatle Who Vanished,

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Speaker 1: which has been optioned for a movie, So look for

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Speaker 1: that on the big screen perhaps sometimes soon. Never mind

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Speaker 1: Nirvana and black market Beatles. So, Jim, before the break,

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Speaker 1: we were gonna was gonna get you to tell me

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Speaker 1: about Bob Marley two days before this big concert in Kingston, Jamaica,

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Speaker 1: the Smile Jamaica Concert, Bob Marley and the Whalers. They're

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Speaker 1: they're rehearsing at his home and gunmen descend on his house,

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Speaker 1: sprayed the place with bullets. Bob Marley is struck in

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Speaker 1: the I think the arm I think his manager was

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Speaker 1: struck like five times, somehow miraculously survived. His wife, Rita

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Speaker 1: but she survived. Obviously. Rumers persists that the CIA was involved.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, it was really fun to

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Speaker 1: read search and right this chapter because there's so many

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Speaker 1: interesting ingredients that make up this mystery slash conspiracy. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have international countries involved, you have intrigue going on

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Speaker 1: in Jamaica. You have rock and roll with Bob Marley

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Speaker 1: or reggae. I should say, there's just so many great

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Speaker 1: things to this. So I first found that that US

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Speaker 1: And also at that time, in the previous years, there

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Speaker 1: I so thoroughly enjoyed the opening of your show when

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Speaker 1: Beatle Who Vanished. That's going to be made into a movie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so just a quick blur Bonnette. You know. A Beatle

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Speaker 1: who Vanished is really the first historical account of Jimmy Nichol.

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