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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday, January eighteenth, and just doing a little

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Speaker 2: Sunday reading. An actor, Timothy Busfilled is defending himself. He

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Speaker 2: is making his case for why he should be out

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Speaker 2: of jail, but also making his case of why no

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Speaker 2: charges should be brought against him at all. In a

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Speaker 2: new filing, he says, the parents of the kids accusing

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Speaker 2: him are fraudsters and absolutely full of shit. And with that,

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Speaker 2: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ rolls. They

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Speaker 2: don't hold back in this new filing. They flat out

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Speaker 2: say these parents are fraudsters, they have a pattern of this,

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Speaker 2: and here is our evidence.

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Speaker 3: This was remarkable Sunday morning reading.

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Speaker 4: I have to say I looked at you and I said,

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Speaker 4: nothing like a Sunday morning court filing. But this was

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Speaker 4: like none other. I was I couldn't put it down.

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Speaker 4: I was fascinated. These are serious allegations that he is

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Speaker 4: leveling at the parents of the twin boys who he

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Speaker 4: stands accused of sexually.

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Speaker 3: It's not assault, it's.

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Speaker 1: Two counts of improper contact with a minor contact.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 4: So he's accused of fondling touching these young boys. But

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Speaker 4: what he's accusing their parents of and he provides in

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Speaker 4: this court filing a significant amount of proof to back

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Speaker 4: up what he's saying. He's not just saying, hey, I

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Speaker 4: heard this, there are rumors about X, Y and Z.

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Speaker 3: No, he actually has proof.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it always fascinating. We watch a lot of court cases.

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Speaker 2: But you hear one side he go, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: this is overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: It looks bad.

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Speaker 2: And you hear the other side and go, oh, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, they're right actually, and this is what we

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Speaker 2: have had. So we have had an overwhelming at least

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Speaker 2: at this point, Ropes, it's kind of been one sided.

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Speaker 2: Tim Busfield, Timothy Busfield, the actor, has not set a

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Speaker 2: whole lot up to this point. He made a court appearance.

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Speaker 2: He made that short video in which you said, I'm

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Speaker 2: innocent of these charges. This is several pages of a

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Speaker 2: court filing in which he is defending himself against these allegations.

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Speaker 2: And a reminder, folks, Two boys, twin boys who worked

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Speaker 2: The Cleaning Lady that was on Fox. This was in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, but the boys were seven to eight

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Speaker 2: years old, claim that he touched them tickled them, if

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Speaker 2: you will, quote unquote, and touched their butt, touched their penises.

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Speaker 2: All this stuff, some awful stuff is in there. He said,

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Speaker 2: he is not guilty. He is sitting in jail right now,

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Speaker 2: Rose because he made his first court appearance last week

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Speaker 2: and the judge denied bail because the prosecution said he's

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Speaker 2: a threat to society.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they wanted pre trialed attention, and they said they

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Speaker 4: did not think that he given his grooming methods and

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Speaker 4: this new allegation they put forth in their court filing

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Speaker 4: from the father of a then sixteen year old.

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Speaker 3: Apparently this happened according to the father, twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 4: So all of this they said, or at least the

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Speaker 4: for the protection and safety of the public, They needed

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Speaker 4: Timothy Bussfield to remain behind bars until his trialph.

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Speaker 1: Some strong language.

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Speaker 2: Again, most people are familiar with him the show thirty

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Speaker 2: something he won an Emmy for That was in the nineties,

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Speaker 2: but then West Wing. He had a very prominent role

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Speaker 2: initial five in the prosecution like he shouldn't be any

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Speaker 2: child within proximity of this guy is in danger. The

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Speaker 4: I mean we were jaws dropped reading what the prosecution

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Speaker 4: But you know what you mentioned his prominent roles. He

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Speaker 4: is a prominent wife Melissa Gilbert, who is, of course,

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Speaker 4: from the famed show Little House in the Prairie. She

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Speaker 4: played Lori Ingles Wilder, a sweet America's sweetheart truly in

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Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties. She not just is standing by

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Speaker 4: her man, she is defiantly defending him.

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Speaker 2: And again to put in context for those that don't know,

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Speaker 2: is pop culture television, American icon absolutely absolutely iconic. But

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Speaker 2: they've been married both their third marriage.

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Speaker 3: More than a decade.

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Speaker 4: Okay, more than twenty fifteen, I believe, so eleven years

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Speaker 4: is how long they have been married. But they talk

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Speaker 4: about their love story. We'll get into what this court

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Speaker 4: filing was because it was a lot. I mean, it

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Speaker 4: involved lie detector test, it involved he went through an

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Speaker 3: Analysis, that what it was called.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even know there was a doctor who could

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Speaker 4: go through what you're like sexually. So he put forth

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Speaker 4: a ton of evidence all just to say, Hey, I

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Speaker 4: don't want to be behind bars while I await this trial.

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Speaker 2: So we got you called up, so let's start right

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Speaker 2: there then, rope. So, yes, what we're talking about, folks

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Speaker 2: is here. Over the weekend, his attorneys have filed a response.

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Speaker 2: This is a opposition to the motion for pre trial detention.

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Speaker 2: He is going to be on court on Tuesday. That's

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Speaker 2: the first time he's going to be able to make

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Speaker 2: an argument for why he should not be held while

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Speaker 2: this whole criminal process is going on. And so we'll

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Speaker 2: go through some of this motion and rose they start

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Speaker 2: flat off a criticizing, strongly criticizing everything the prosecution has

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Speaker 2: so far done, saying, quote, the motion asks the court

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Speaker 2: to imprison a man based on a story that has

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Speaker 2: already collapsed under independent scrutiny. They set the stage right

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Speaker 2: off the top about what they're about to go after, yep.

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Speaker 4: And then it goes on to say the state offers

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Speaker 4: no reliable proof, only allegations advanced by witnesses with documented

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Speaker 4: histories of fraud and financial exploitation, contradicted by a comprehensive

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Speaker 4: studio investigation, and refuted by witnesses and objective risk assessments.

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Speaker 4: The Constitution does not allow liberty to be forfeited on

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Speaker 3: And that actually makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: Think about it. What proof did the pro secuter's office.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they put forth a very damning based on

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Speaker 4: kids talked to therapists, or at least a therapist, but

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Speaker 4: there is no proof beyond really that he said or

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Speaker 2: So what we read through here. They could also be

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Speaker 2: you don't even you don't have enough evidence to hold him,

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Speaker 2: like even we're not even going with guilt or innocence.

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Speaker 2: Yet we're saying the guy has a right to be

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Speaker 3: The presumption of innocence presumption.

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Speaker 1: And you're going with just somebody's story.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing they are arguing, at least in this

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Speaker 2: the evidence here, there is not enough that justifies keeping

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Speaker 2: lot robed in this filing, saying they have moved forward

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Speaker 2: detention based not on the facts of this case or

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Speaker 2: the characteristics of mister Bussfield, but instead on the nature

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Speaker 2: of the allegations that the state has lodged. They are

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Speaker 2: doing it not based on what we know, but just

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Speaker 2: based on allegations that you have. And that's the argument

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Speaker 2: they're making to a judge. Look, we are not legal experts,

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Speaker 2: but we look at a lot of legal cases, and man,

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Speaker 2: they make a good.

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Speaker 4: They do make a good point, and that does make sense.

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Speaker 4: It's not based on the evidence. It's not based on

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Speaker 4: the facts, it's based on the nature. So yes, it's

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Speaker 4: such an abhorring thing to think about that somebody would

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Speaker 4: a danger to children. I get that the nature of

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Speaker 4: what the allegations are. But he does have that presumption

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Speaker 2: You said, based on allegations, But they also make the

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Speaker 2: argument is based on routine like this is just what

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Speaker 2: the prosecutors do.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a hell of a point to make.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't realize this, but they said, hey, this

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Speaker 4: is not this shouldn't be this standard operating procedure.

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Speaker 3: The standard operating procedure should be that people should.

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Speaker 4: Be given an opportunity to post bail and to have

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Speaker 4: their freedom while they await and prepare for the charges

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Speaker 4: leveled against them. But they say, this particular prosecutor has

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Speaker 4: asked for pre trialed attention in every single case in the.

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Speaker 3: Past six months, so it is routine.

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Speaker 4: It is standard for this prosecutor to just go ahead

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Speaker 4: and say pre trialed attention instead of looking at it

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Speaker 3: That is interesting.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting too, They said, to make

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Speaker 2: I thought that wasn't interesting as well. But they tell

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Speaker 2: They said, these allegations failed to stand up to scrutiny

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Speaker 2: at every level and demonstrate only the state's commitment to

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Speaker 2: the salacious and ultimately false narrative it placed in the

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Speaker 1: Robes. You said it a narrative.

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Speaker 2: There is a story line that's building about him because

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's one side is talking

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Speaker 2: and then everybody's just buzzing and there's no real informty.

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Speaker 2: We know how that goes, and it's gone crazy. But

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Speaker 2: now he's getting a chance to defend himself and it

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Speaker 2: absolutely flies in the face a lot of a lot

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Speaker 3: It does.

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting the way they said that they put

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Speaker 4: the prosecutor's office put this narrative in the national and

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Speaker 4: international media beginning on Friday when they said there was

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Speaker 3: That is true.

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Speaker 4: Think about so many other cases where we have no details,

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Speaker 4: we don't know what the allegations are. They're protected because

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Speaker 4: there are potential sexual assault victims. You know, this was

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Speaker 4: we got We got it all. Like we read everything.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was salacious.

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Speaker 2: And robes putting it in the headlines, putting in the narrative.

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Speaker 2: They also attacked them for I said the eye the

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Speaker 2: Marshal's office, like you didn't have to send the US

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Speaker 2: Marshall service. They made the case that, hey, we were

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Speaker 2: in contact with you within hours of these charges being fired.

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Speaker 3: That's not what was said to the public.

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Speaker 2: Said we were collaborating, we were working, we were doing it.

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Speaker 2: He did exactly what he was supposed to do, which

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Speaker 2: was listening to council by shutting up and going and

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Speaker 2: turning himself in. It was in New Mexico. He said,

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Speaker 2: all this was being worked out. Y'all sent Marshalls beat

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Speaker 1: They said it was all for show.

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Speaker 4: Sure, wow, And you know what I was thinking about

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Speaker 4: this because they also criticized him publicly for taking the

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Speaker 4: upstate New York. But you and I have had a

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Speaker 4: little bit of experience of when people are looking for you.

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Speaker 3: Paparazzi getting that photograph is everything.

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Speaker 4: Him walking into an airport that would have been almost impossible.

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Speaker 2: But they knew where the suggestion is. You knew where

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Speaker 3: And he was headed there. He just given his.

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Speaker 1: Hotly, you know that.

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Speaker 2: So the section here of their filing robes that they

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Speaker 4: It's remarkable, actually, So the dad, mister Ronald Rhodis, is

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Speaker 3: And wire fraud. They claim.

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Speaker 4: He was later disbarred following that prosecution for a multimillion

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Speaker 3: That is not nothing. That is not a small thing.

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Speaker 2: This is not a small time crime. This is not

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Speaker 3: At the mom. The mom allegant this is insane too.

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Speaker 4: The children's mother, Angel or Angel LaSalle has an equally

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Speaker 3: This is crazy.

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Speaker 4: In twenty eleven, Miss LaSalle was sued for various claims

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Speaker 4: Then they get into this whole thing where she apparently

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Speaker 1: Name, and then they couldn't touch it.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, bottom line criminal charges for check kiiting and vegas.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are two people who have.

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Speaker 4: A documented legal history of criminal fraudulent behavior.

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Speaker 4: I could not believe when you looked into the history

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Speaker 1: They had to be aware. Isn't impossible?

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Speaker 4: Could like, why would that not have also then put

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Speaker 2: But roll you go that. I have to believe. I

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Speaker 2: this man's entire career, his wife's career, and the legacy

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Speaker 1: They're not. Maybe they're not the best victims to come forward.

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Speaker 4: Look, I get that you might not have a convenient victim,

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Speaker 3: Total a nebulous place. You can't just take their word

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Speaker 4: Have a history of deception for money.

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Speaker 2: This is overwhelming as far as their background and their

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Speaker 2: also mentioned in this filing the investigation that Warner Brothers

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Speaker 2: with it anyway. I thought it was interesting ropes they

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Speaker 2: I guess in building their narrative that the parents weren't

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Speaker 4: I thought this was really interesting. So this was from

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Speaker 4: the director of photography. He said the twins' parents were odd.

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Speaker 4: The father, Ronnie, creeped me out. He was pushy and manipulative.

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Speaker 4: to really like the boys. I always thought it was

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Speaker 1: But that means against one person's observation. But still, but.

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Speaker 4: It's important because if you're gonna have all of these

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Speaker 3: I also thought it was.

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Speaker 4: Interesting that in this filing they say there's no evidence

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Speaker 4: In fact, people on the set said they only heard

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Speaker 3: Went by that.

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Speaker 2: This is setting up a much different narrative than the

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Speaker 2: we come back at the bottom of this filing. Was

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Speaker 2: something that was very significant about this filing. Timothy Bussfield

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Speaker 2: went through two things. One he had a polygraph. Two

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Speaker 2: he had what's called a psychle sexual evaluation that was

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Speaker 2: supposed to determine his sexual attraction, possibly to children. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's a thing, folks. Stay here, will tell you the

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Speaker 2: results of those two tests. Stay here, all right, folks.

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Speaker 2: We continue here on this Sunday here on January the eight, Yes,

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Speaker 2: a couple days away. Timothy Busfield supposed to be back

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Speaker 2: face two charges of improper contact with a minor Ropes.

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Speaker 2: He filed this report, This motion to oppose pre trial

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Speaker 2: part of this was to show one that he took

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Speaker 2: an objective measure of sexual interest based on visual reaction time,

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Speaker 2: but trying to see if you're attracted to children, if

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Speaker 3: So there was a test that could determine that.

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Speaker 2: But it's a commonly used one and I'm sure we

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Speaker 2: But first the polygraph which he went ahead and took.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he voluntarily submitted, voluntarily submitted to that polygraph on

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Speaker 4: January thirteenth, that was.

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Speaker 3: The day he turned himself in.

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Speaker 4: No deception indicated and he was asked very specific questions.

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Speaker 3: He was you know how they do it.

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Speaker 4: They can really monitor, there's a baseline, and that is significant.

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Speaker 4: And the fact that he even underwent one. A lot

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Speaker 4: He did it, and that says something. Also, the psycho

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Speaker 3: That's also of significance.

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Speaker 2: It's worth putting in there. These were supposed to be

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Speaker 2: that relevant? Who knows, but it's in there. But this

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Speaker 2: is all right now, Rope. This is not about him

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Speaker 2: defending himself at a trial. This is just about getting

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Speaker 1: Jesus.

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Speaker 4: The way the prosecutors, I shouldn't say spun the story,

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Speaker 4: note seventy five letters of support, among them one from

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Speaker 4: who had troubles and problems, and how Timothy Bussfield was,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know these stories, what do you do his name?

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Speaker 2: We always say there's rogues, like his name is out

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Speaker 2: he still has been stained and this story is going on,

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Speaker 2: and then what if there's something wrong? What if he

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Speaker 2: don't know. It's awful, awful in a case like this.

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Speaker 2: But two things Roes we talked about when he did

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Speaker 1: I was surprise how much they went off about how

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Speaker 3: They were upset about that.

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Speaker 4: But like I said, I understand the driving cross country

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Speaker 3: I would.

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Speaker 4: I mean, our biggest regret in everything even we went through,

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Speaker 4: And I think that is everyone's right to be able

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Speaker 4: I have zero issue with you taking ten minutes to

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Speaker 2: They mentioned that in this filing his defense team, and

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Speaker 2: I kind of understood it that they made the point,

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Speaker 1: Like he's had the right to speak.

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Speaker 2: What are you arguing about, Like there's a problem with

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Speaker 2: him defending himself. And yah, that was a weird one,

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Speaker 2: court on Tuesday making an argument to get out of

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Speaker 2: jail while this process goes forward. We just wanted to

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Speaker 2: hop on because this was a significant update to a

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Speaker 2: story that has a lot of interest right now. So

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you spending some time with us. As always,

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Speaker 2: for now, I'm TJ. Holmes on behalf of my dear

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Speaker 2: Amy Robot, We will talk to you all real soon.